Thread 510943939

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>more ships getting retired without replacement
>billions spent trying to maintain surface combatants that should've been scrapped years if not decades ago
>overall industry suffering both chronic manpower and funding shortfalls
>navy projected to only shrink, not expand, despite executive orders to do counter this
>only three Tico cruisers still in operation across the entire fleet
>half the carrier fleet either in RCOH or deep maintenance (basically out of order with no shot at being mobilized even in a crunch emergency)
>this is why CSG assets had to be diverted from the Pacific to Gulf during the Israel-Iran crisis

Holy shit bro this isn't even kind of bad, we're looking at a catastrophic, fleet-wide collapse in slow motion. Literally how did this fucking happen??

>>510943939 (OP)
Biden happened.

>>510943939 (OP)
>Literally how did this fucking happen??
>outsourcing production to china/overseas
>the mena wars for israel (people underestimate how much they actually set back the us)
>throwing money at useless things, i.e., welfare for africans and illegals

>>510943939 (OP)
Maybe they'll finally revert to a national defense force instead of global police.

>>510943939 (OP)
ships are obsolete with what we got and where we are heading
look at houthis and a CSG

>>510943939 (OP)
jews wanted to force me to live near niggers and jeets so we spend money on that and not ships. Glad pissrael will be nuked by Christmas, so tired of jews.

>>510944882
we are surrounded by ocean on our east west and south.
ships are never going to be obsolete.

>>510943939 (OP)
> Literally how did this fucking happen??
The War on Terror. You can’t spend 20 years focusing on fighting terrorism and neglecting everything else without consequences. And all the money and effort spent on the littoral combat ship fiasco didn’t help either.

Eventually, the USS Constitution will be the only seaworthy ship in the Navy.

>>510945277
they werent actually “fighting terrorism” (literally fake theater they themselves set up) they were just stealing that money btw

>>510943939 (OP)
wages in shityards are less than Fast Food.

worse when you factor in that it will be lots of down time. You will pull wires or weld plates for a couple weeks, then they tell you to come back when the other trade has finished something in few weeks.

But of course they demand you meet their schedule 100% as "on call".

Plus of course health issues and danger and Worker's Comp rates haven't been re-done since about 1927 it seems. Loss of hand or foot is like $10K. Not a month, not a year, one time payout.

>>510944882
you still need ships to carry munitions to prosecute targets, along with subs doing the same (higher survivability for the latter).

the current crop of very expensive warships might be an outdated concept, as you could do it for far less cost.

>>510943939 (OP)
>Literally how did this fucking happen??

Trillions of dollars spent on Israel's security interests instead of American military supremacy.

>>510943939 (OP)
You also forgot to mention the Constellation-class frigate is also likely getting cancelled since there's no money left in the budget for it kek

>>510944140
>Clinton makes DoD brief CHICOMS on weapon systems
>Obama lets China use defective steel and back door chips
>Biden outright owned by China

>>510943939 (OP)
I worked in the shipyards for the Navy and I will say it's fucked. China literally will wait for us to collapse, which is what they're doing.

>>510945119
https://www.popsci.com/futuristic-chinese-warship-concept-is-making-waves/

What they need is something like this, but much much small for less eggs in each basket and maybe Crew Optional.

Something about size of LCS or even 1/2 that, built around 2-4 8-cell VLS boxes.

>>510945613
What were the most egregious things you noticed? I used to think the Navy was nigh invincible.

>>510943939 (OP)
Jones Act arbitrarily restricting US-flagged vessels from being built overseas with superior technologies and manufacturing (a bad thing), while at the same time mandating that all US-flagged vessels must be crewed by 80+% US citizens (a good thing).

Look, you gotta understand something, from somebody that actually works in maritime. Jones Act is a double edged sword in modern times now, because on the one hand, it does not allow vessels built/manufactured/flagged in foreign nations to qualify under Jones Act employment jurisdictions, which means those vessels can only crew American citizens for the majority of it's crew, outside extenuating circumstances.

So get this. With America's manufacturing capability reduced to basically nill, with US shipyards being hit hardest among all of them, that means that virtually NO US vessels are being built, which means that that private companies cargo-ing all our gas, food, cars, goods, etc, must necessarily opt for foreign built vessels from Korea, China, and European design/build. But because of the Jones Act, if they weren't built in the US, they don't qualify. They're not *really* American vessels. Which means they don't have to be crewed by Americans. They can be crewed by Pinoy's and Hondurans for $50 a day.

>>510945724
The Jones Act restricts American-going vessels from being crewed American. As long as it is cheaper for Companies from buy their ships and workboats overseas, then it will continue to be cheaper to crew them with foreigners, bypassing the Jones Act entirely. There is literally zero (0) incentive for companies to purchase American vessels, and crew them by Americans, because it becomes prohibitively expensive for them.

Working on a boat that was literally built in an American company, despite it being of Dutch design, this boat is a piece of shit because of how it was actually put together. So because it was built in America, it's a Jones Act vessel, despite it being Dutch. But it would have been cheaper to buy it foreign, and bypass Jones Act and thus hire foreigners.

>>510945508
What were the most egregious things you noticed? I used to think the Navy was nigh invincible

>>510945277
16,000 ton $30 billion "stealth destroyer" with a gun (that don't work) for "shore bombardment".

Among other things, you can see its foaming wake from Outer Space...at night.

WTF did that happen, and WTF aren't at least a 1,000 people in prison for letting it happen?

That was supposed to be THE future for USN.

>>510943939 (OP)
This is like, three year old news or more. They can't even repair the ships or subs their DEI "officers" ram into the seafloor and docks on the daily lmao. Why do you think Israel's, China, Russia and every other cunt with a goal has run roughshod over two successive US administrations?

>>510945613
Nah, their engines blow out and that shit is poorly designed. Without people there to fix it, the Navy would implode due to poor engineering. The LCS were a great idea, but making it between multiple manufacturers who didn't share standards and putting it under maintenance of a division who can't even get a printer working was insane, they had to recycle the entire command as I left because it was so awful.

I was at the BHR fire and the report rewritten by it was utter bullshit because the guy who didn't even show up to his job got to write the report on himself. That's public knowledge.

Anyways, when we go to war China, these shitty officers and politicians will fucking die, hopefully after they fail so horrifically, we can manage to survive enough to still call ourselves the United States.

>>510945724
>>510945763
That's actually wild. Goddamn.

>>510944882
>ships are obsolete with what we got and where we are heading
You have 0 idea about what you are talking about, at all.

LITERALLY 80-90% of ALL global commerce and trade is conducted by maritime. Bulk Carriers bringing in 20k cars at a time, or 5 million barrels of oil/diesel/fuel per trip, or 5k connex boxes worth of Amazon goods 4x+ a week, maritime will continue to always be the absolute backbone of trade. No goods get moved without maritime. Fuck the truckers. They move a fraction of a fraction of what ships move at any given time, especially considering traffic congestion.

>>510943939 (OP)
>Literally how did this fucking happen??

Our leaders got rid of American manufacturing, on purpose, and thus all of the associated skills were also in lesser supply. We simply stopped placing orders for new ships

>>510945785
We lost half our crew on the Boxer because they announced a drug test so everyone decided to smoke weed to get out, basically putting the entire ship behind for years. We had no tools, no money, and we had officers getting fucking tit jobs.

That's actually a hard question, it's a fucking shit show and I don't even many people actually survived career or otherwise.

>>510945885
>something the size of an LCS rather than huge expensive targets with lots of crew
>nah the LCS program was shit so that's dumb I was there dude
ITT proof of the America retardation

>>510945974
The Chinese wouldn't ever target it, it was such a liability that it self sabotaged itself.

>>510945508
I worked in shipyards too, and I noticed (mostly female) little gaggles of recent immigrant (yeah you can tell just like anyone can tell a Wetback from American raised Beaner) Chinese "US Navy Officers" who'd speak Chinese to each other in front of enlisted and even other officers.

Oh, and the were the Food Service, "hull tech" or Bunking division, they'd be Intel, Communications, Security, etc.

>>510945959
So that's why we keep hearing every other week about Burke captains getting relieved over "conduct unbecoming".

>>510946026
The proof is your inability to parse information being presented to you while readily humblebragging about being a ZOGtard.

>>510945911
I'm sorry bro, I'm literally drunk as shit right now, I can't explain it right, but basically just look up how the Jones Act, while completely well-intentioned at the time, has utterly FUCKED US Maritime in the modern world, with our manufacturing capacity reduced to bullshit.

Jones Act keeps US mariner wages high, but it also means that it introduces an artificial scarcity because US shipyards can't build boats anymore, and foreign boats are superior, de-classing them from the Jones Act, meaning as long as the company can buy them foreign, they won't abide by the Jones Act.

Something to that effect.

>>510943939 (OP)
>how did this fucking happen??
The nice jeeeee yyy uuuuu wwwwzzz have control of the wests managed decline, and China's emergence.

>>510946049
Oh yeah, we had a dude working in the hazmat locker who was Chinese or someshit and suddenly a firemain was opened up into a ballast tank tilting the entire ship forward from his hazmat office on the ship. I caught it before we went into the shipyards and fucking died.

They also have Chinese foreigners in our subforce. I am glad I got dropped out of subs.

>>510945478
And trump taco'd while fucking you over
Jewsa is absolutely finished

>>510943939 (OP)
Everything has been going to shit since the Perry frigates were retired.

>>510945959
>We lost half our crew on the Boxer because they announced a drug test so everyone decided to smoke weed to get out,
Was this actual Navy? Or was this MSC? Because I know that especially during COVID, mariners were literally committing suicide because they were stuck on their boats for 12-18 months without relief because they said FUCK your contract, we need you RIGHT NOW, bitch.

One of many reasons why I (rightfully) said fuck no to ever doing MSC. My shore time is my shore time.

>>510946071
I'm being vague because it would be illegal for me to say highly detailed shit besides everything is fucked.

>>510945922
>>510945363
I think he means ships as weapons of war and force projectors. Big ass targets that can be destroyed by a single ship killer hypersonic rocket

>>510943939 (OP)

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-restores-americas-maritime-dominance/

Already seventeen new naval and shipping projects underway and several Merchant Marine upscaled plants being built with AI ground-up.

Yes, China's shipbuilding appears to be outpacing the USAs by over 175% year over year for the last three years, but, for one, their total fleet sizes and borne and birthed vessels would still need three more years AT THAT GROWTH RATE of production to match HALF of the USA's LEGACY fleets from TWO DECADES AGO

And we just got this order solidified and we're adding AI mechanization to the production.

Don't forget that our fathers still think it's cool and fun to keep giving us a new enemy to fight by giving away all our old shit to those same enemies. It's a game to them.

>>510943939 (OP)
China dominates the ship building industry, with most new ships built in China.

The US can easily outsource their ship building to China. This is literally a made up hoax to scare Americans in a pathetic attempt for Trump to cling on to power.

>>510946238
Ah, well in that case, yes, it is a very dangerous (yet lucrative) time to be a merchant mariner. As was explicitly observed during WW1 and WW2, merchant supply vessels were among the first targeted by militaristic forces. Which is kinda fucked up, tbհ. Man, I'm just trynna sail ffs.

>>510946163
I heard some horror stories of people coming back from other ships, starving. Covid definitely marooned a lot of sailors in the ocean and it was quite in the public with the Theodore Roosevelt and Captain Crozier.

>>510946286
It was Korea, Korea actually has quite the steel industry still.

>>510945850
> WTF aren't at least a 1,000 people in prison for letting it happen?
If people were actually punished for their fuckups and corruption, the entire system would collapse.
>>510946239
I’ll believe it when I see it.

>>510944140
No, it has been in decline since WWII. There was a blip interruption when Reagan promised a 600-ship navy. But even Reagan abandoned that (causing SECNAV Webb to resign). Surface navies are largely obsolete (and there is some argument that they even were during WWII, in hindsight).
The real death knell was the post-Cold War drawdown. The volume just was there to keep shipbuilders alive. So they went bankrupt or merged (with the merged companies still shedding its unused yards). But this isn’t limited to shipbuilding. All manner of defense contractors, too. Northrop Grumman won the new ICBM contract by default; no other company bid. Search “defense industrial base” the Desu Archives for >>/k/ to read some of my posts. I’ve been posting there but stopped in recent years because the cuc/k/s kept calling me a Russian shill.

Hopefully it can still make prisons.

>>510944180
>welfare for illegals
>useless thing
You very heavily underestimate how much mutts depend on cheap and illegal manual labor

>>510946238
yes, they are expensive and vulnerable targets, but you still need them or a cheaper alternative.

cheaper ships with small crews and the same or more number of munitions is possible.

>>510946286
Korea is a huge contender too, with Daewoo vessels. Honstly, they're probably the better ones, because anybody is better than Chinesium steel fabrication. Yes, even US (read Mexican) fabrication. But that's not the thing about foreign shipbuilding. Ships are more than simply the hull and frame. It's all the systems that are installed too. The majority of which are of European design. The Radars, the compasses, the GPS', even the mechanical components and electronic and hydraulic compoents are chiefly of European design and build. Not Chinese, or American. China just puts this shit together. The actual individual components and parts are still European. So what does that say about US ship-building capacity?

Can't even fuckin fabricate the steel for the boat skeleton, much less the actual system components that make it functional. We're so cooked.

>>510945885
I'm just saying about that size, and maybe even that overpowered.

Just build it snugly around a few VLS boxes. Part of the idea would be to create max FUD in enemy.

They'd never know if they might suddenly be engaged by top tier SAM or anti-ship. Even tow a mini-sub behind a bigger ship, since mini-sub would be minimally manned and tough duty, more like a long flight with frequent crew changes.

Do lots of decoy tows, just for lutz. That DD gots a tow line and even if we kill the DD you never really know if you've killed a sub, he might have faked his own death.

IMO future big naval war would be DDs spamming anti-ship missile at each and missiles would cross in mid-air and 90% of both fleets would be rekt in first hour. They'd spend that last hour knowing they were "floating deadmen" knowing just a couple big HEAT hits will cause shit to light off and burn and sink them.

Best move would be to launch ALL missiles, mostly just so they don't become a liability when big bore HEAT rounds hit.

We need to move towards automation to create ships faster, we should be making a destroyer every couple of days.

>>510943939 (OP)
good, maybe less mutts telling people what to do

>>510945922
>Fuck the truckers
Yeah no good luck moving shit inland now that trains are way more fucked than your ships

>>510943939 (OP)
Maybe the MIC should have tried maintaining a competent warfighting machine and competent industrial base rather than sucking it bone-dry in some shortsighted, imbecilic, greedy lust for money.
Oopsie, I guess not listening to a bunch of dirty fucking jews was simply too advanced of a suggestion.
No sympathy for traitors and their ass-kissing sycophants.

They should hurry along and lose the war which they've been trying to start so I can not lift a finger to help them, spit on their corpses, and contribute to tearing down every single bit of corrupt jewish nonsense they have harbored for decades.

>>510945277
>The War on Terror. You can’t spend 20 years focusing on fighting terrorism and neglecting everything else without consequences.
A similar thing happened during the Vietnam War. Instead of upgrading our strategic capabilities, we pissed a lot of time and money away in the jungles of Vietnam. Then when it ended, the government didn’t want to spend the extra money needed to offset a decade of neglect. The USSR’a strategic forces were, in some ways, superior because they weren’t distracted by Vietnam and they used détente to surreptitiously build up their forces. Of course, Afghanistan, Reagan’s buildup, and the crumbling of the Eastern Bloc and Soviet system took care of that advantage quickly.

>>510946490
Subs will probably become a thing of the past.

It's really hard to navigate through a sea of drones and be stealthy. If you have enough numbers, you find anything in the ocean, China actually has that level of production, we don't.

>>510945348
>Loss of hand or foot is like $10K. Not a month, not a year, one time payout.
Holy shit.

>>510945911
>>>510945724
>>>510945763
>That's actually wild. Goddamn.
you should see the "detours" ships do to stop at "foreign port" when they are actually just hopping between US ports, to comply with Jones Act.

Its cheaper to have a non-US ship sail 2000 miles to touch Mexico than to use a US flagged ship.

>>510945052
>Glad pissrael will be nuked by Christmas, so tired of jews.
Woah, be careful for what you wish for anon! We'll need to take in Jewfugees and spend shekels on that! Jews are more important than our crypto viking/explorer heritage and bond with ships!

>>510946239
>Already seventeen new naval and shipping projects underway and several Merchant Marine upscaled plants being built with AI ground-up.
Sounds impressive until you realize nothing is hitting its intended deadlines. Reports due at 90, 180 and 210 have produced exactly fuck all and there's now mass confusion about who's even in charge or where the funding should go.

We're essentially looking at procurements that may never make it past the spreadsheet phase.

>>510944180
>what foreigner caused this???
It was Americans. The jobs in the shipyards will work you hard and then pay absolute shit. A welder at Marinette Marine, the yard where the Navy is fucking up production of the Constellation class, pays it's new welders garbage. You'd make the same amount of money as the assistant manager of the local gas station or as a housekeeper. Why the fuck would anyone break their back, sweating over hot steel every day to make not even enough money to feed a kid and not have to go on food stamps? They want people to work, but they won't even pay skilled tradesman enough to make a life on.

>>510946610
Most of them are immigrants on the California Coast, probably most of them aren't showing up anymore for obvious reasons. I rarely saw Americans actually working on ships, and that's under Trump.

>>510946359
>>510946239

Don't forget the Chinese didn't even know what a transistor was while we were rockin' guided missiles and Germans were flaunting V2s.

There is a catch-up game being played, we all know that. For me, catching up to the future advantage lies in using the power we've cultivated to extend the White European and USA-British Hegemony to utterly obliterate the developing nations South of the Equator NOW before oceans and space are too congested for appreciable materials acquisition (fishing, undersea mining, geothermal and hydroelectric power).

We've already seen what happens if we give them an inch, they take a mile in our cities and in orbital space

Fuck that, hot em now.
It's time for a new Conquest and we ALL know it.

>>510946595
You know what's fucked up? I work in dredging, and despite this whole governmental contract initiative to expand the Houston ship channel (especially after Covid), they're focusing on building a future where ships can actually unload their cargo, EXCEPT FOR THE ACTUAL SHIPS TO UNLOAD. What good is having a new and awesome port for ships to continue US trade internationally, if you have NO US SHIPS TO MAKE USE OF IT???

IT WILL LITERALLY BE ALL FOREIGN SHIPS TO DUMP THEIR SHIT HERE AND THEN SAY SAYONARA, SUCKERS..

>>510946528
Based.

>>510946668
Marinette Marine is a union shop in Wisconsin.
>buh some brown foreigner
American companies run by American business men are paying American works absolutely bullshit wages. It's a totally homegrown problem. The Paco and Miguel doing your landscaping have nothing to do with that.

>>510946711
War?
The only thing that is needed is to stop feeding them, stop subsidizing them, stop importing them en masse as labor scabs, and enforce the border as a forbidden zone like any competent country has done for thousands and thousands of years.
Don't need something as expensive, risky, and jewish as another great war when the exact same result could be achieved simply by not being retarded and being tastefully racist again.

>>510945850
>with a gun (that don't work) for "shore bombardment"
The guns work, they ammunition cost skyrocketed to $800,000 per shell when they cut the order from 32 ships to 3 ships. They are getting CPS missiles now.
>you can see its foaming wake from Outer Space...at night.
What do you even mean by from space? Modern satellites can read a license plate from space and see through cloud layers, this is a meaningless statement and it is pointless to try to hide from a satellite's camera. A ship can move, if the ship cannot be picked up by over the horizon radars then they have no way of knowing where to look for it with a satellite.

Reinforcements incoming...

>>510946843
They kind of do because now our Cheeto commander is removing his own work force. They can actually do the work better than sailors, they gave me tools sometimes because I was in the shit with them. It's fucking bad when a person from Mexico feels bad for you and shares his tools with you.

>>510945724
I have never seen a US-flagged ship or a US mariner around here.

>>510946711
these are the kind of wars i could get behind, blood and treasure, conquest of the globes limited resources, skip the false flag, skip the bullshit, you wants you kids to enjoy quality of life? we have to go get X from Y.

>>510946953
Exactly. Jones Act vessels restrict themselves almost exclusively to the most popular Asian or European ports. And they're almost always Union. SA ain't shit.

>>510946595
I grant you that. It's true. Delays and foreign aid also fuck that cluster good and shaggy.

But: have faith. Faith, compatriots. Press on.

I will avoid despair. But if this disease of the mind should infect me, the I will work on in despair. I will toil. I will endure. And I will succeed.
- Og Mandino

>>510947021
That, and inter-US gulf/Coastal ports

>>510946740
They don't care. Some Panama or Marshal Islands flagged ship will come in and do it and the holding company based in the Netherlands and owned by American investment banks will make their money.

America's industrial policy for the last 40 years has been to not have an industrial policy.

>>510946852
We stopped subsidizing American Businesses in China because those fuckers were giving China all their tech as an agreement which is why we're fucked now. The best thing we can honestly do is just avoid a war with China. We would fall apart as a country.

>>510943939 (OP)
Good they're floating drone targets

>>510944140
Trump meme magic will fix. Thrust the emperor.

>>510946610
Yeah, this is a real problem in every trade at the moment.
The solution in every time has been a simultaneous war AND ejection of foreigners.

Every. Time.

Name the joo.

>>510947063
I'm just trynna sail and make good money cause I know everybody else trynna chase that CS work-from-home money.

>>510945724
We just replaced our merchant fleets with Panama's.

There isn't a point in safeguarding our industry if it doesn't exist on any meaningful scale.

>>510946582
140 million square miles of ocean/500,000 strong Chinese fishing fleet = 280sq miles per boat. Sqroot of 280 =16.7 miles between boats, 16.7/2 = 8.36 miles max distance between boat.

Pretty sure 8.36 miles is well within active sonar and dropping a couple lite-weight anti-sub fish overboard. If you see the Chinks spreading out and even into EEZones and saying "we no fishy, no nets, no lines, come and see, only science men on board" I'd start worrying. Subs are only part of Triad that couldn't be rekt by agents inside USA.

drone fun, but i agree with you i will miss the ice cream boat parties.

>>510947063
We're really crossing our fingerings for automation to really take off, but China is already beating us there too.

>>510946915
>they kind of do
They have literally no bearing what so ever on US shipyards.

>>510947151
I know, man. Which is why I'm just trying to make my name known in maritime circles now, because as long as there is water on the earth, there will be maritime. Governments may come and go, but sail lasts forever. It pays well because nobody else wants to do it.

Plus I have a near-erotic fixation with the sea. My mistress...

>>510947045
The budgets were never in question, this is pure crippling inefficiency, bureaucracy and partisan gridlock. Constellation frigates are now due for 2029 at the earliest - 3 years behind schedule - and everyone I've talked to says they're hanging by a thread and may never materialize.

>>510947170
>Subs are only part of Triad that couldn't be rekt by agents inside USA.

No, it's totally wrecked by contractors instead. You could easily find a Chinese spy by simply finding a person who is over motivated by their work anyways. Like I said in an earlier post, the Chinese really don't need to sabotage us, we're doing that to ourselves.

>>510947217
Clearly, you have never been in one.

>>510946862
that ship moves at 40mph, tops. Even at 1000 milesx2 for circle 2000 miles in diameter, a satellite can pick it up easy the next day, if the satellite decides to take a 24 hour nap for some reason.

>>510944140
fpbp

>>510947196
It wouldn't even save anything. Having robots work here aren't going to make American jobs and the little work they do make, will be paid garbage salaries by American companies. A bunch of servos screwing widgets together isn't going to raise American disposable income.

>>510946610
when you ship manufacturing overseas en masse and decrease overall wages and create massive inflation via mass immigration, this leads to a lack of production and shitty wages.

yes, you should be able to make a good wage working in a shipyard; enough to get a car, house and support a family. this was the case once.

>>510947325
You literally think that it's "sailors" building ships. You have no clue what a shipyard even looks like.

>>510947021
>SA ain't shit.
you don't need to be mean

>>510947351
I am going into a bachelors degree for automation because if it doesn't work out, we're fucked anyways and there's no fucking hope otherwise.

>>510943939 (OP)
Trump's first term was a clusterfuck

>>510947418
I never said that, you just suck at reading. Sailors couldn't fucking cook an egg if they were culinary specialists.

>>510947431
I'm sorry bro. I didn't mean it like that. Just spittin fax. Outside of Chinese ports, literally the only American port that's in the top 10 is Los Angeles. South America isn't even in the top 50.

But fuck that, bro. Stick to your own, man. Make your own continent of Spanish Rapebabies self-sufficient. You don't need us and our globohomo poison.

A navy and a ship industry cannot exist for its own sake. It needs an economic incentive. Otherwise it's doomed to fail because it will just exist as a drain on your country's finances.

What is the primary economic purpose of a navy?
Well now that the era of gunship diplomacy is over - you can't just use your ships to invade foreign countries for resources willy nilly anymore - the primary financial incentive is to 'protect shipping lanes'. Except protection from who exactly? No one really, the pirates that raid the ships off the coast of Africa are easily rebuffed or diplomatically appeased. And it's mainly China doing most of the shipping anyway.

>>510946843
Paco and Miguel actually work these jobs tho and take space instead of other Americans. Big American corporations are all parasitical and don't pay anyone right and also simultaneously are the only ones we can rely on for production for things like this. They never deliver and want to argue about contracts instead. These bureaucrats are less than swine and should be treated as such.

But no need to fear! Those new H1B approvals will help out in some meaningful way!

Trump already made deals with South Korea to build ships for US navy. Trust the plan

>>510947328
I don't think you understand how many tasks reconnaissance satellites have, in a real war they can't afford to be tracking an individual ship by satellite constantly because that means that it isn't looking at far more important things. Hiding from satellites is pointless for a ship.

>>510947045
Based and greatest salesman pilled.

>>510947433
Go into Logistics, man. Out of all the Business College majors, Logistics probably has the best bet of surviving. Marketing, Finance, Accounting, general business management will all be easily AI'd. But logistics still stands the strongest chance, imo. Walmart, Amazon, those Chinese companies they are all investing heavily in logistics. How to deliver goods to the average consoomer as quickly and efficiently as possible. That does require a human element to a degree. If at least to say "this AI solution is bullshit for XYZ reason".

>>510946852

You do understand that we've already progressed into the stirrings of the FIFTH world war, right?

World War 3 already happened with Iraq and Afghanistan... the so-called "coalition of nations" also involved countries in South America and missile microchips designed in USA and Britain but assembled in China.

The fourth world war already occurred with the simultaneous COVID-19 lockdowns, skirmishes in Argentina, Mexico, Peru, and Brazil, Russia-Ukraond with USA providing a proxy for open warfare via systems delivery, Israel-Gaza-Iran, and Houthis-USA and Africans murdering White farmers.

The idea is asymmetric warfare. A subfusion, or diffusion, of open, battle-line warfare into tens of simultaneous pseudo-clandestine skirmishes. Much like the evolution of thermonuclear warheads from single gravity bombs to MIRVs (multiple independent reentry vehicles) to increase total destructive yield.

We are in the fifth world war and we also know this because we have thought it wise to maintain an apparent (en la facie) No First Strike policy along with it's attendant Mutually Assured Destruction "Zone of Conversation" (the Red Telephone).

Asymmetric warfare is usually a prelude to open warfare in polymedium strata (air, land, sea, information, space).

Best to adopt the attitude now before the emotive preparation is forestalled by a treasonous betrayal from another insider job (COVID, 9/11, Trump assassination attempts).

>>510947533
>Paco and Miguel actually work these jobs tho and take space instead of other Americans. Big American corporations are all parasitical and don't pay anyone right and also simultaneously are the only ones we can rely on for production for things like this
I was actually in the shipyard where my current boat that I'm working on was built. Literally more than half the grunt staff was hispanics.

They SUCK. They can't even do a fucking paint job right. 5 months after being put to work, we're STILL troubleshooting problems on the systems they were supposed to install correctly.

FUCKING MINORITIES SUCK AND CAN'T BUILD SHIT. IDGAF IF THAT MAKES ME A RACIST.

>>510947016
BINGO. You get it. We owe the rest of the world NOTHING. Must we care for her baby AND baby daddy, too? Why is babyJuanito or baby Muktukuktuk more important than my own?

They're not.

>>510947639
I got a supply chain management certification aleady. It's fun stuff.

>>510947084
Incorrect. We hit them now. NOW. While we have the equipment and space domination. Quit fucking around.

Because, the Elites are obsessed with de-industrialisation. They want to continue offshoring what little industry is left to China and India where labour is cheap. They are morons who don't care that this is self defeating, considering they want to fight China.

>>510947814
All we can do is drop missiles and when those run out, we're fucked.

>>510947807
The future is going to consist of one of two overall general professions - 1. Those who can figure out how to deliver goods the best, and 2. Those who actually deliver the goods. At a certain point the latter can only be automated so much, but still requires human labor. The former will pay highly indeed if you know what you're doing.

>>510947170
Yeah we said that we had nothing to worry about 20 years ago, too.

Nah, bro, it's time to move. As in move on 'em now dude.

>>510947911
You're right and automation is going to be a huge part of that too.

>>510947268
Oh.

Trump wants Canada and Greenland to become part of this. They will save a lot by firing their militaries. Israel will be able to get so much more.

>>510947814
>>510947729
>>510947016
You guys are talking a lot of shit for someone who just got kicked out by a bunch of goat shepperds in Afghanistan.

>>510947634

Get 'er done. Quitcher bitchin'.

>>510947639
Logistics is not a standard major, and is usually a subfield that actually falls under the fields you mention: Finance, Accounting, Economics, Business.
Also, companies should hire some actual Engineers in the mix too, not just bean counters.

"AI" is already being used as an analytical tool, and has been for a long time.
AI isn't replacing any jobs, that's a Boomer myth.
Logistics isn't any more or less vulnerable than any other field in this respect.

>How to deliver goods to the average consoomer as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Missing the point of this thread. There are in fact *tradeoffs* in logistics management.
Firms leaned heavily into JIT and got rekt by the pandemic.
Global supply chains are inherently risky, but the bean counters will squeeze and move it all to China to save a buck.
You will lose your Logistics job to Pajeet if you suggest reshoring production.

Greed is the root issue. People don't want to pay proper wages to Americans for proper work.

>>510947110
>muh war will fix it
The solution was taxing business profits so that they were forced to re-invest into company operations and workers. All that 1950s heyday industrialism was done with a 50-40% corporate tax rate. Now it's barely above 20% and the share of government revenue from it has dropped from 30% to 20%. Tons fewer loopholes for businesses to use to dodge the bill as well.

Also taxing rich people to fund government services that improve the lives of the vast majority of people. Ike had all those millionaires looking at marginal tax rates over 60%. Yet they still had tons of money left over for 20' long land yachts and giant houses.

>>510947389
And none of that has anything to do with foreigners and illegals. American businesses squeezed every last fucking penny out of the people who do the work in order to satisfy investment bankers who own all the stock. Illegal farm workers don't have anything to do with that since the trend holds true for people making six figures as well. Disposable household income in the US is frozen while profits keep soaring. Real simple to see what changed about where the money is going.

Navies should start building my Tank-Air-Reir concept.

New Pan-a-max most tanker but fully flat top with modular deck on poles 18' off tank's deck over the deck pipes and shit, because an F-18 is 16' high and shipping containers are 8.5" high.

Add some frames inside the massive tanks and big hatches on tank's tops to allow Shipping Containers to be carried inside the tanks.

Mostly these ships would be commercial civilian super-tankers, and pay most of their own cost that way. They'd have minimal aircraft operating stuff, and shit like aircraft/shipping-container elevators would be cheap commercial, not gold plated MIC.

But the sheer size of the ship would allow a few aircraft to be carried under the flat-top at each corner and maintain most of the normal deck pipe layout of a tanker.

Instead of WTF retardation is plaguing Ford class E-Cat system, just have Elon do a bit where he gives 2 dozen assorted Jr College tradie school students $100,000 and "two weeks" to construct an apparatus to gang 100 Teslas together to rotate a shaft to spool a cable and accelerate 66,000lbs to 200mph in 100yrds. When not (or during I guess) launching jets the off duty crew could lounge in the cars under deck, and when in port use the cars in town to help hookers ID customers.

But having a completely flat open deck 100ft longer than Ford class would allow pretty good ops with a Cat.

>>510947851
Bwahaaahaa Oh man we got lasers and neutron bombs and suicide drive fleets with space-tested radiation-hardened anti EMP shielding.


We're ready, man, check it out. We are the ultimate badasses! State of the badass art! You do NOT want to fuck with us. Check it out! Hey Ripley, don't worry. We and our squad of ultimate badasses will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Whoa! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase-plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...

>>510947715
I never thought I'd live to see the day where I say I want to work around other white guys (the more dweeby, the better.)and ONLY white guys. Literally ever spic, asian, black and white guy (under 40) where I work is always saying shit that you might here on this board. Worse still, it's like HR insisted on there being a perfect balance of all represented ethnic groups. And the worst thing of all? All the women I work with are over 40 and married/have kids. No flighty, young girls who are "just trying to find themselves" here, just old hags (who also might speak some SEA language.)

It's just not fun being a guy anymore. Not even on a fucking boat.

>>510948145

Ooh I'm real scared.

>>510947615
you have no clue how Sats work and can "multi-task".

Even if they can only do one task, they do it in millisecond and on to next one.

Its like an auto-pilot that does 1,000s or even probably millions or more corrections a second, just because it can.

I feel like I'm talking to some Olde Salt from 1920.

>>510948234
Tariffs, deporting illegals, ending H1B does the same thing as raising corporate taxes.
In fact, tariffs are mostly a tax on the rich.
Essential goods and services, like food and housing, are mostly autarky anyways.

>>510948220
You know what, you're right. I guess I was still playing apologetics for my useless degree in Accounting. I always did see as Accounting as one of the more "secure" fields for some reason, but going through my courses, I always had a sense that logistics was the most robust of them. idk why.

But I've quickly come to discover that when it comes to the ephemeral nature of the water and weather, AI just simply can't replace straight up human observation and intuition and physical response. When it comes to dredging, you need motherfuckers out there ready with impact wrench and hammer in hand. Not some "we should shift X value by Y%" crap.

I feel bad for her.

>>510945119
Retard. Missiles are launched from land. Fucking idiot.

>>510948449
We're still ultimately ruled by HR (aka, the Office), but you can still find that masculine urge to just simply find solutions to problems in dredging and rigging and maritime boat work. At the end of the day, the job needs to get done. Yes, there is still some catty bullshit from the upper management class, but the core remains the same. When you're stuck on a floating island, you better have solutions, not excuses.

>>510945508
That's literally their plan.
I had an economics class in the 2000s and the professor couldn't figure out what China's strategy was.
Turns out, all this free fucking debt was the rope to hang ourselves with.
As soon as our military power shits the bed, and we fall on ourselves, China will pull the rug so fucking hard.

>>510947729
My guy, literally just read your Pentagon's reports about what a possible "boots on the ground" new war would mean for the US.
You can't afford a new war, you are so much entrenched in foreign debt that even so much declaring war would start a 1929 crash 2.0 and it's estimated that thousands of US soldiers would die in the first days of the war even before the first real contact with the enemy (logistic and supply problems and so on).
Also, you realistically have no legittimate way to pay it back if not contracting more debt, which in turn only worsen your situation in the long term; all your businessmen and politicians are trying to hoard as much riches as they can for themselves to hopefully weathering out the inevitable fall that it's coming for you all: look at what they do, not at what they say.
You are fucked and there's very little you can do about it, american, that's the truth; I'm sorry

>>510948641
A floating island with many tons of incapacitating energies on very sensitive timers in itty-bitty moving spaces, we might add.

Good times were had by all.

Situation Normal.

>>510943939 (OP)
>Literally how did this fucking happen??

outsourcing manufacturing/importing steel kills domestic industry
neglecting to upgrade and build new shipyards
neglect of trades due to outsourcing and ability to import cheap shit
Navy admins/leaders thinking we will always be on top, worried more about retiring with pension and speaking engagements than the future of the Navy
Anyone pointing out this was coming was ignored

basically the Baby Boomers neglected to plan ahead and invest in just about every aspect of our society in favor of collectively cashing out and retiring. They retire and our generation is left holding the bag

>>510945724
Hawaii would be fucking rich if it could trade Peru to Philippines or something. Port fees, no tariffs.

>>510948317
Being cheap and mostly just plain flat 1" steel plate, but also nearly impossible to sink due to many oil/ballest/floation tanks, the Tank-Air-Reir would be the forward airbase to put in Harm's Way, not the gold plated super-carrier.

Have a Tank-Air-Reir attached to CV as oiler/supply and best of all, back up flight deck. Wanna fill a 1,200ft long landing deck with fire-foam 20' high to take a chance on crippled aircraft you can't risk attempting with the CV? Sure.

>>510944140
Republicans (and some democrats) happened.
America became a dumping grounds for every sociopath looking to jip banks, investors, tax payers, and consumers. Nearly no punishment for any of it.
None of these assholes care about the future, they just want to be rich so they can play with man toys and fuck little girls. CEOs get rewarded regardless if the company does well. Shareholders do well even if the product sucks. Banks do well no matter what since they issue all the loans and are backed by the FED. Politicians insider trade so they do well no matter what.
Now our industries have been destroyed and the only thing we have are a handful of retarded tech companies propping up the market, any of which could fall practically overnight (Europe moving away from Microsoft, etc).
Half of congress and our courts are still full of religious nutjobs who seem more concerned with ideological goals rather than world building.
And the public are mostly functional retards, even the people with good jobs.
And now we have a boomer scammer president who lied to sub IQ morons to get elected so he could avoid prison for all his crimes and also enrich his dogshit family.
The USA is toast.

>>510946397
>depend on

our rich people yes
collectively no
working class still does those jobs too and has gotten gutted from wage suppression from immigration

>>510946286
>outsource critical national defense to untrustworthy chinks

please fuck off and eat shit chang

>>510946528
Maybe shitting on men, killing manufacturing, telling us learn to code, killing the coding career by hiring Indians, letting Jews run everything, letting women be whores, casually selling drugs to American for a little black ops money - wow maybe that was all a bad idea.

Dumb fucking deep state niggers.

>>510946610
The military is a New Deal institution and is still operating with in the 2d industrial revolution while the rest of the economy is in the 5th.

>>510948725

hahahaha afford a war? There's no such thing as "affording" a war when fiat currency is created on a whim as an estimation against FUTURE production.

lmao

Afford a war? We don't need to afford a war to start one, and we don't need to afford a war to call in our chips. We don't need to afford a war when we can just call bullshit and contractual violations on any APT (Advanced Persistent Threat) we create on a whim and we don't need to afford a war when we can betray anyone who is not even in NATO and we don't need to afford a war when we can just dump what we got all over a general area overnight with what we already have lmao

You know this, dude, dun b a fag shill.

And we got a few phat stacks o' chips floating around in forward operating bases and you now, food production and like in and such as.

All Africans should have maps.

>>510948234
>And none of that has anything to do with foreigners and illegals.


immigration suppresses wages
outsourcing decreases demand for labor which further suppresses wages

anything but getting rid of the cheap labor for you leftist demons

>>510948801
Ah, truth.

>>510943939 (OP)
>Literally how did this fucking happen??
When you started hiring women and brownoids.

Absolutely no one is surprised that the mutt navy, army and air force are falling apart and having huge retentioin crisis. And it will continue to get worse and worse until the top brass realize their fetish scenario of getting bossed around by girls isn't an attractive work environment for non fetishists.

>>510945277
>>510946548
America is such a fucking retarded corrupt nation. How the fuck do you manage to degrade in capabilities over a war, and not even a peer war but just peasant bullying disguised as a war, and then you lose that too. FFS, most cringe "power" in the world.

>>510946397
Buddy welfare for illegals is more than half a trillion per year

>>510947642
>World War 3 already happened with Iraq and Afghanistan
AHAHHAHAHA Holy fucking shit you pussy. Those weren't even wars. They were police actions.

>>510946528
this

>>510943939 (OP)
This is very serious.
If the US Military won't be able to fulfill its mission of being the thugs for globohomo interests, there is no need for the USA any more.

>>510949983
women and brownoids are our middle management to the super elites. this while system is fucked. hire incompetent people, get an incompetent world. every time.

>>510943939 (OP)
>SAL SAYS
Who?

>>510946610
>It was Americans.
Jews. Americans don't own shipyards.

>>510943939 (OP)
>Literally how did this fucking happen?
Once upon a time long long ago jews figured out they could offshore American industry and take a cut of the profits in the margins so they summoned an incubus named Bill Clinton to play saxophone and led all the rats to NAFTA. But then they decided not to pay Bill for playing his magic saxophone and we lost ww3 due to the lack of black girl magic. The end.

>>510945277
>fighting terrorism
Should we tell him?

>>510952315
All of the jobs are being privatized and labor protections are being taken away. The flood of unproductive work that could be automated away, restaurant spam, retailers for garbage no one buys, is an immense drain. And this is deliberate to cause dissatisfaction with minimum wage, when it comes time to liquidate those useless jobs and get people back into essential sectors they don't want to deal with worker's protections so for the time being they outsource industry to countries with barely any labor rights at all.

>>510947196
Too bad for the chinks that they also have massive unemployment numbers, especially for graduates. If they actually succeed in automating another significant percentage of their workforce there would be hundreds of millions without a job.

>>510947245
Is the pay really worth it when you hardly get time to spend it?

>>510943939 (OP).

>what's going on?

Nah. Shipbuilding is still there.

>>510943939 (OP)
I think it's a tech issue. Hypersonic missile advancements.

So are Tanks. Hey retards. The year is 2025, not 1939. Ukraine has proven; Drones.
All this shit is a waste of money now anyways. We should definitely kick up ww2 style production; But for Man portable shit and Corvette Drone carriers. more Drones and Mechs,
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/MwoSm
Mechs or Walker Tanks, This is a weeb site, we know where this is going

>>510946362
More likely in decline since the end of the Cold War as the US began to rest on their laurels and allow millions of enemies to flood into the nation and pump up the welfare state. Same shit as everywhere else in the West, Jews began to create the world they wanted to live in.