Why is the brainwashing surrounding the moon landing even more extreme than the brainwashing around the Holocaust?

Saying
>it didn’t happen but it should have
In regards to the moon landing will receive an even greater response from a white nerd than the same said in response to the Holocaust will retrieve from a jew

What exactly are the political ramification of this?

>>511006766 (OP)
What a jewish looking graph you have there

>>511007899
Okay neat.
So what are your thoughts on the moon landing?

>>511007957
Its faker and gayer than the holocaust; At least there was a chance some based german shot an uppity jew in the head or something.
The moon is not solid

>>511008147
Do you disagree with my assessment about the degree of brainwashing involving both subjects?

This video is impossible if the moon is what the jews say it is.

>>511008221
No, its called Cognitive Dissonance.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Its why the flat earth, jew holocaust lies, and a few other things like Sandy Hook, trigger the goy agents. They are still plugged into the jew programming.

>>511006766 (OP)
Wow go figure, things get worse when you replace everyone with H1Bs.

TV worked on the boomers, because they were spoiled retarded faggots who lived the most comfy live of any humans in the history of mankind.
That time is over.

We now have a generation of people that checked out because of all the lies, and they are now under fire because (((they))) need taxpayers to pickup the bags.
Musk and the nu Space fags, were an attempt to garner interest in (((the system))) again, but it failed.

People forget that the FBI went door to door after 9/11 and confiscated all video.

Now the jews think their movie magic is so good and controlled, they get sloppy.

But I am the first leaf in space, and the jews will pay for their lies.

>>511008347
Then I’m not sure why you were kvetching over some silly hand drawn graphs in the first place.

>>511008359
Case in point, no one has even attempted to say
>people only deny the Holocaust because of h1b historians
This dude is probably fried, but let’s find out:
Anon, would you present what you consider the STRONGEST evidence men walked on the moon.
I don’t need all the evidence, just whatever you, personally. Believe is the most convincing (ie, it convinced you)

Remember, its always the jews.

>>511008654
You might need to brush up on your comprehension. I was implying both graphs are fake because the jews were involved in the data.

>>511008798
Whatever, keep schizobumping my thread.

>>511008848
Thats why I am here fren

>>511008798
>Child rapist president and still posting conspiracies involving obama

>>511008554
Zoomer here. I was defecating in diapers… where is your evidence or ancient link to corroborate this?

>>511009026
Air, this thread is about government fraud, not government pedophilia.
There are plenty of threads available for you

>>511008654
>What personally convinced you
Probably just the fact that there's nothing really preventing it, and all of the arguments to the contrary are schizo nonsense.

>>511008512
Dudes rockets keep exploding

>>511009100
They didn’t, but they did take all the security footage from the pentagon except for the guard booth shot (which is why there is only one shot of the most heavily survielled building in America)

Thoughts on the moon landing?

>>511009137
There is nothing preventing an abo from raping you. Does this prove you have been raped by abos?

I’d like you to keep track of your own arguments, just so you can review how terrible they are. There is nothing preventing a lot of things that have not happened, so it isn’t even worthwhile to dive in to why the moon landing actually couldn’t have happened: your reasoning is fallacious at its base.

>>511008633
Don't think that's a leaf.

>>511009137
Sorry I forgot to ask:
Is that really all it takes to convince you something happened?

Like it isn’t IMPOSSIBLE that goat fuckers hate our freedom so much they fly planes into buildings… but certainly you don’t believe that’s what really happened, right?

>>511008926
Could be a fucking airplane caught right at the blink, nigger. That proves nothing, besides you being a retarded faggot.

>>511009401
You are welcome to bash your head against that brick wall if you want, but I’m curious about your opinions on the moon landing.

>>511009342
It is, theres more than one.
Its on video, you can even find it, but you are lazy.

>>511009401
>maybe its a plane
kek, space fags in their typical state of ignorance.

>>511009100
jewgle has too much pre-built anti-search terms surrounding 9/11 so I can't just pull some link out for your stupid lazy zoomer ass
Maybe ask your AI Waifu

>>511009195
Damn no wonder all of these defunct sites/pages that were last updated in the late 2000s only show this gif. Makes sense but also fuck that Leaf faggot for saying otherwise and further misinforming us Chan fags. For a second, I actually believed the FBI was knocking on our doors and confiscating every amateur footage citizens captured.

Moon landing was Jesuit+Jewery collaboration between the East Caucasus (USSR) and the West Caucasus (Allied Forces). Nothing solidified it for me more than when these so-called “astronauts” did a press interview after landing in the fucking look with their head down and voices tamed. If I was the first man to step foot on a moon, I would literally whip my Johnson out on live TV and tell every woman there to come suck outerspace semen, point blank.

>>511006766 (OP)
Holohoax moon rocks kicked out tesla marocni hertz ernst mach who taught hitler the flat earth and the impossibility of Narnia rooster and zetetic plasma light same size there is a vault enron soelndrya worldovm Ivan boeveskys schemese assume the sale ugle great orient am fm and fixtiin at kids marxist socialist communist then zionist then rabbi sponsored crap then judeo freemaosnry fused in with state atoms molecules electrons protons ernst mach debubked hitler met him in veins met him in Vienna his protégé messeschmidr fovh wolf and all anti communist is not a ball that's for masonry satanism and witchcraft

>>511009517
I honestly don't give a fuck. I'm not wise enough about that to know it. But some things are certain - earth is spherical, and the moon exists. The space model is not incorrect, although nasa and whoever probably lie about a lot of things. If you have just a somewhat working brain, you can verify this stuff yourself. And no, I'm not venturing into an hour long discussion with you if you're a flat tard, cause these people are fucking retarded.

>>511009601
>what is surface tension
You faggots have the IQ of chickens. All your dumb shit is just incredible. And I know, it's based on your jewish bible, so it's a waste of time to argue with you. You believe your jewish fairytales, and I will adhere to cold, hard facts.

>>511009922
People didn’t have ring doorbells and few people carried cameras back then. There may only be two videos of the first plane striking the towers, for example.

The. That gets into what was popular at the time, and surprising Ly not more popular today, that planes did NOT hit the towers at all. The first “amateur”mvideo showing a plane hitting the tower came out almost a decade after the fact in blazingly incredible quality for the time period (this would have been an unbelievably expensive and cumbersome camera).

Septemberclues.info (if it still exists) was the primary proponent of the no-planes theory, and they make a fairly compelling argument.

>>511009922
>confiscating every amateur footage citizens captured
Back then not everybody had a video camera at arms reach. And even if they did, they'd only be filming if they saw something interesting (example: an extremely low flying airliner) but nobody was filming because there was no low flying airliner.

>>511010011
> The space model is not incorrect
Care to discuss this for a moment?
My first question to you would be:
>how could we determine that our own galaxy is spiral shaped?

>>511008147
No watch eighteen years like clockwork every 18 years which is an imposs8ble on a ball earth the eclipse occurs every 18 years enochian

>>511009601
>hows does liquids works in space?
>i don't knows!
jeetposters

>>511009722
Your faggot liberal fingers forgot to mention how you literally typed “FBI” and “door to door,” yet you’re backtracking and asking AI otherwise… yet you’re calling me lazy? You’re just a bitch. Go get your assisted suicide appointment the moment you wake up tomorrow for deliberately lying about US affairs. Stay in your commie country’s lane, you Traduean tranny.

Zoomers may have AI Waifus but you’re bold to assume I own a video game console or live with my parents or smoke weed all day in my friend’s garage. I stay sucking authentic Latina, Caucasian and Asian titz.

>>511008512
O such thing as space bitch mach tesla marconi hertz volta fake moon rocks yeltin pointed thats pedovre cannibal satanic scientology and jeosh kahlist baby molesting relgion and cannibalism its a world masonic republic that's judeo freemasons work like lucy piltdown democracy republicanism dodo bird hoax and that's mossad lekem

>>511008554
Yeah because they are saranist the kenendy are debunked yelston admitted was eath isolated stationary space if akr yhat faked retarded satanic cult relguon no satellites no aliens no ufo there are phenomena or ghosts that's real phantom a sm or haunting experience that rela that's real fake moon rocks kicked out the protestant maonarchybis a usurped anto christ adl bnai shit brith assholes

>>511010157
So back then, who actually owned cameras? Was it only Jews or people who had that “fuck you” money?

Oh for sure. 100% no planes. What was that guy’s name, who was the airplane “live” cameraman, Simonsen? Completely edited in real-time through his chopper footage.

>>511006766 (OP)
Moon landing denial is jewish.
>Make the right look crazy by planting well poisoning shit

Many such cases. I look forward to flat earth replies and stuff.

>>511007899
what is this a graph of exactly all i can see is thousands of something were going up and then went down and stayed down

>>511010106
>>511010236
>muh science

>>511010280
>>511009922
People didn't post their life on the internet then. You can't just search for some faggot's post about 'hey guys the fbi just talked to me'.

>>511010215
So is it safe to say that maybe 1% or less of actual citizens managed to capture the Jewish deception? I do vaguely remember my older cousin buying a camera in the late 00s and saying he regret spending thousands on it because he didn’t feel like anything was worth capturing. Stark contrast compared to now where we film and capture everything imaginable.

>>511010530
I mean anyone could own cameras, it’s not like they (at least low quality ones) were expensive. They were just bulky and not in everyone’s pockets, so very few people would have them on them and there was no “QuickDraw” culture of taking videos for internet points.

I owned multiple cameras at that time, but I only took them with me somewhere if I intended to film something, I wasn’t lugging them around “just in case”

>>511010530
I had a cheap sony DV handheld back then, it was $700 in 1997 bucks.

>>511010595
Cool, cool.
So, just to prevent anyone being tricked by my Jewish wiles, would you present for the thread what you consider the BEST and most CONVINCING evidence that men walked on the moon?

It will save some time if I start tricking goyim later to just be able to point at your high-quality evidence.

>>511008848
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>>511010280
>door to door
your move

>>511010740
Other nations observed it happen via radar and nobody contested it. Maybe the burden of proof is on you.

>>511011023
You have proof of this right?
Not just some jew saying it?

>>511009191
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>>511011023
I’m going to need you to be more specific, do you think other nations used radar to detect men walking on the moon?

>>511006766 (OP)
gee I dunno

>>511011256
Hes talking about people tracking the supposed telemetry signal from Apollo with their own equipment.
>don't ask how people who never been to space know where a point source signal is located in space using a single reciever
>don't ask why they will make a big deal about being able to reflect EMF off the moon, but then forget about it when its in the radio wavelengths

>>511009517
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>>511011540
I don’t need you to speak for him. I’m trying to determine if he is affirming the consequent or otherwise.

>>511009722
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>>511011707
Your posts are going to go over the head of 99% of people here kek
Keep fighting the good fight, based soldier

Weird how all the people who are so confident the moon landing is real leave as soon as you ask them why they think it is real.

I wish I could help these people.

>>511011540
>Point source
The moon moves, you fucking imbecile.
You do it with two receivers and timing/phase differences, but it's just as easy with a single source and multiple measurements over time. The phase changes at the exact same rate as the moon moving towards or away from you. The frequency changes too, because of the exact same phenomenon that makes someone's voice change pitch when they call you a stupid nigger while they drive past.

So that I can clarify what your opinion is, do you think that:
>Only the first manned moon landing didn't happen
>None of the manned moon landings happened
>None of the moon landings in general happened
>Space doesn't exist, or
>The moon doesn't exist?

>>511006766 (OP)
It’s the lie that unravels all the other lies. The big one. The one that lets you know yes, they’re ALL in on it, even people you know. And they are scared shitless. They think they killed God, these Satanic freaks.

>>511012806
Why did you stop responding to my arguments against you in favor of screeching at a flat earther doing his own thing?

>>511010644
Sounds about right. Cameras got a lot better and a lot cheaper circa 2010ish. People didn't film half of the mundane shit they do now but you can bet that the cunts that did have them would run for their cameras if they saw an airliner at 100' some place it shouldn't be.

>>511011540
Moon doesn't even have atmosphere, dust doesn't stay suspended in the air because there is none. It falls at local freefall speed. Moon's gravity is 1/4 that of earth as well, you don't need anywhere near as much thrust, also accounting for lack of atmosphere. Try reading a book one day.

>>511015305
Strange, just like the other anon you have decided to avoid our arguments to screech at a flat earther just minding his own business.

Curious… did you lose that quickly?

>>511012906
I only looked at your direct replies to me, and you don't seem to have any arguments. You're just trying to play gotcha by getting me to give you my favourite piece of evidence so that you can enter into a schizo rant.
What's your favourite piece of evidence that Amelia Earhart flew across the Atlantic, or that Eliud Kipchoge ran a 2hr marathon? The entire point about any event is that you look at the body of evidence.

In this case, my favourite piece of evidence is that the people saying the moon landings happened are literally every nation on Earth, and the people saying they didn't happen are... You.

>>511015451
I'm talking about the picture. I never said anything about hoaxing by bouncing fake Apollo signals off the moon but I'm sure this could have been found out by detecting the transmissions from earth via satellite.

>>511015609
It tends to be based on criticizing some pictures or something because they look weird because it's the moon. Has anon been to the moon and he can tell us via his own experience? Or maybe we need to look at shadows to try and say a light source must have been nearby because we have never heard of wide angle lenses and optical distortion.

>>511006766 (OP)
the moon landing happened. There just isn't sufficient reason for them to bother faking it. A couple of more rockets blowing up on the launch pad and the public would have been satisfied with "damn, it's too hard, we're not spending the money." Why fake it? What's the point? The real question is: Why did one of mankind's greatest achievements, a major milestone in space exploration, result in the death of manned space exploration? What was it about the moon landing that caused all space programs to collectively decide not to continue pursuing it? America went back a couple of times just to say "haha, what a waste of time, look we played golf lol, now lets pull all funding forever." The Soviets were on the cusp of their own moon landing and then just went "eh, nevermind." Mars has been "maybe in 10 years" for 60 years. That's the part that makes no fucking sense. Why did we stop going?

>>511015609
So anon I’m just going to throw this out there: it sounds like you have absolutely zero evidence for men walking on the moon.
No one made you come into this thread, no one made you engage, but you have failed to provide any reason to believe your position.

My thoughts? You are brainwashed and coping. I mean just look at your desperate attempt at deflection in this post. Why? Why bother? You could be in another thread or doing anything else with your life.

But, you have an emotional investment in this lie, and you are upset that anyone would dare confront you with it.

But I authentically want to help you. Unfortunately, if you truly re just a blind believer (ie, you literally have zero evidence and you choose to believe anyways) what can be done? You are a zealot, unfixable broken.

Do yourself a favor and present YOUR (ie: don’t go looking up someone else’s) most convincing evidence. Share the information that, for you, convinced you it was real.

Because if I’m right, you have no such information, and it is all an article of faith.

>>511015712
Great so anyways, were you under the impression that other countries used radar to detect men on the moon?

>>511016092
>Why fake it? What's the point?
Besides JFK promising that an american would be walking in the moon by the end of the decade?

>>511016092
So your best evidence for the government deciding to not lie for the first time in your entire life was… that you have a poor imagination?

Is that all it takes for you?

>>511016092
>The real question is: Why did one of mankind's greatest achievements, a major milestone in space exploration, result in the death of manned space exploration?
Because it was incredibly expensive and dangerous. It was more like "do it just because you can" then no reason to do it again. They did a few manned moon missions and that's it. Now we use rovers. Safer, cheaper. Don't expose humans to a shitload of radiation, smaller payload, way less human life risk, health shit, etc.

>>511016277
>just do it because you can
You are assuming both that they did it and that they could.
Your have a recursive thought process on this, indicative of brainwashing.

>>511016274
>Government lied about A
>This is enough to determine they lied about B
Non sequitur.

>>511016208
>Nobody detected a big ass object returning from the moon
Remember it had to carry 3 people.

>>511016370
>You are assuming both that they did it and that they could.
You are assuming the contrary without sufficient evidence and much evidence to the contrary. Stop responding. Go home. Turn off the computer for the day.

>>511016263
He was dead by 1963, nobody needed to rescue his honor.

>>511016374
I’m not very impressed with your mind reading trick, and I don’t intend to perform my own mind reading: so how about you just answer my question so I know what you are thinking without guessing:

Do you believe radar was used to detect men on the moon?

>>511016433
So is it the case you believe people should just believe claims without evidence?

How do we settle that in the case of opposing claims?

The real reason to deny the moon landing is that it implies the existence of space and a globe earth, which modern Christians hate because it soft debunks their entire religion. Same as evolution denial.

>>511016674
Oh more schizo delusions.

I believe the earth is round, so you are wrong. Now we can continue:
What evidence is there that men walked on the moon?
Please share whatever convinced you personally.

>>511016274
They did lie, just not about going. If they didn't want to go, there are far easier lies to sell. They either successfully landed on the moon and found something that they could not admit to, or they almost successfully landed and failed in a way that they could not admit to. And remember: the Soviets had to be in on it, so it can't just be to avoid embarrassment or because JFK said they'd do it. If the Soviets weren't in on it, they would have exposed it and tried their own moon landing. Instead, they went along with it and abandoned their own program immediately. Further, if they had faked the moon landing, why would they fake going back for stupid reasons like playing golf? Do it once to pretend they had a big victory and then move on to something else. They went back to performatively show that there was nothing there so that the public would stop caring about it. The moon landing revealed something, either about the moon or about the nature of the universe, that they could not allow to become public.

>>511006766 (OP)
the lure of secret knowledge is built into our dna. It is so predictable, that on at least a few occasions it has been used to direct people toward drawing false conclusions.

>>511016764
Great so you both
>accept you are dealing with established liars
And
>trust them
Personally, this would be very difficult for me to do without some substantial evidence.

I assume you have substantial evidence that would lead to people who, by your own account, are liars (and lied about the topic of discussion as well).

Would you please share the evidence that allowed you to believe these liars?

>>511016505
This is my last reply. Prove that all the photos, videos and acceptance of the landing by all other nations is fraudulent.

>>511016468
>They just landed a big ass moon lander sized thing with return craft but it was empty lol
The landing site has been revisited and photos of it exist from moon's orbit. The footprints, lander base, flag, tracks are all there. It can be viewed on earth by telescope. Fuck your gay judaic word tricks charlatanism.

>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-unveils-new-detailed-photos/
>https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/how-to-see-all-six-apollo-moon-landing-sites/

>>511016982
Am I to understand that you think the photos are the best available evidence that men walked on the moon?

>NASA confirms NASA is not lying
Well I guess that settles it then.

>>511016879
See, you're deflecting. I don't believe them about anything other than the bare fact that they went. I believe them about that for 2 reasons. 1: Lying about going to the moon is tremendously expensive and difficult. It may make sense to lie about doing it once for the public image boost or whatever other reason, but lying about going multiple times to the point where the public gets bored of you going to the moon is tremendously risky and expensive for no benefit whatsoever. They would not have pretended to go multiple times, spending vast sums of money and undermining the point of the first lie. It makes no sense. 2: The Soviets had a major interest in exposing that lie and the means to do so easily, and yet did not. The Soviets had their own space program. They had spies, they had astronomers. It would have been tremendously beneficial to them to expose the lie. They did not. They didn't even dispute it. And they cancelled their own program, and never went at all. If the Americans faked it, you'd think the Soviets would at least fake their own to claim a close second place and save some face. They didn't. They, like America, killed and buried their space program shortly afterwards, and forever looked like the loser of the Space Race. Why? It makes no sense.
Logically, therefore, it must be true. Further, any accomplished liar knows that the best way to make a lie believable is to incorporate an element of truth. They went. Any other conclusion is nonsense. What did they find there? That's the question. It wasn't just rocks and dust.

>>511016982
> It can be viewed on earth by telescope
Anon, this is not true at all. This is a quote from your second link

> As you're well aware, no telescope on Earth can see the leftover descent stages of the Apollo Lunar Modules or anything else Apollo-related. Not even the Hubble Space Telescope can discern evidence of the Apollo landings. The laws of optics define its limits.

Please read that twice. Your own source disagrees with your claim and calls it impossible.

You really should ask yourself
>why did I think this was true?
And I have an answer for you:
>you have been lied to

You are mentally unwell and I am genuinely trying to help. Do you see that you have thoughts in your head that do not comport with reality?

have you ever talked to a white person? you gotta spike them, traumatized, rizzed, packed, etc. even blacks dont ignore this.

>>511017388
Well first off it’s important to point out I was not deflecting, and that I recognize you are deflecting with this post. I’m going to address it anyways since apparently you are scared to talk about the previous topic (you know, providing literally ANY evidence men walked on the moon) we can get back to that later.

> 1: Lying about going to the moon is tremendously expensive and difficult.
Anon, lying is free and easy. Sending men to the moon is expensive and difficult.

I don’t think this is up for argument.

> 2: The Soviets had a major interest in exposing that lie
Just as a quick sanity check, if I could find a source that YOU trust that claimed the USSR and NASA were openly cooperating, how would you respond?

>>511017556
>"Give me your best evidence!"
>He gives it to you
>"I don’t think this is up for argument"
You are such a mongoloid

>>511017556
You might be misunderstanding what I think, anon. Of course, the Soviets and America were cooperating. That's obvious. You don't need to give me a source for that, I already believe it. The question is: why would the Soviets let the Americans just go ahead and pretend to win the Space Race? There has to be a major incentive for them to do that, and I don't think you can find that incentive if America just pretended to go to the moon for the sake of looking good on TV.
Further, I don't think the televised moon landing was real, nor do I think the moon landing happened the way we were told it happened. I am saying: NASA landed on the moon, or came very close to doing so, and something happened in the process that has absolutely required them to kill space exploration, and that it was not merely a matter of embarrassment because the Soviets fully and knowingly went along with it.

>>511017725
Anon… he didn’t provide any evidence at all. He just said they lied but not about sending men to the moon because other lies are easier…

That isn’t evidence. If that counts as evidence, I fucked your mom.

>>511017883
> Of course, the Soviets and America were cooperating. That's obvious
> The Soviets had a major interest in exposing that lie

Since I am having such a hard time understanding your position, please rationalize these two statements you made back to back

>>511009137
Anon I just heard about your rape by the abos I'm so sorry>>511009279

>>511017901
So what is evidence? The evidence I've provided is the agreement of every qualified person on the planet, and the evidence he provided is a logical argument.
Were you really expecting someone to post a reply in image format?

>>511017977
Okay, what I mean is: IF America lied about going to the moon for the sake of winning the Space Race or looking good on TV or showing up the Soviets or anything like that, then the Soviets WOULD HAVE HAD a major interest in exposing that lie. Because the Soviets did not even try to dispute the fact that America landed on the moon, and also abandoned their own space program, the Soviets and America MUST have been cooperating.

>>511017489
GIVEM ONE A THEEESE

>>511018467
Are you completely incurious about the fact that you believe in “the greatest fear of SCIENCE” with zero evidence?

Are you concerned at all that your bar for evidence is
>well, lying is harder
?

Don’t you think YOU PERSONALLY should have a reason for the beliefs you hold? Or do you just “trust the science”?

Good time to ask I suppose, are you vaxxed? Because every qualified person on the planet agreed it was safe and effective.

>>511018572
Holy shit anon, that “IF” is doing a FUCKLOAD of heavy lifting.
You already said they were “obviously” cooperating. That means there is no race, they are working together. If there was an attempt at beating the other, they would not cooperate.

So the soviets that were COOPERATING with NASA…. Cooperated with NASA. That’s the way I see it, anyways.

I’m still having trouble understanding how they were cooperating and competing and helping and hurting and all the things you think is going on, I definitely find my take of
>these cooperators were cooperating
Easier to digest than
>well obviously they would have backstabbed their allies, there is no way they would have just..l kept cooperating…

>>511018572
Oh yeah, and let’s not forget which (((tribe))) controlled both the USA and USSR at this time.

>>511018831
This is the difference: you believe they were cooperating the whole time. I believe they started cooperating after the moon landing, as whatever was uncovered in the process was sufficiently important to require it, and it was in the Soviets' interest to cover it up more than it was to catch out America.

>>511019075
Okay, major problem there: cooperation between the two began in the early 60s, and the moon landings weren’t faked until the end of the 60s

Given that their cooperation preceded what you believe were the moon landings, how does your story work?

Worth noting it literally doesn’t matter if it was before or after when they were “officially” cooperating, but this is a major problem for your narrative.

>>511019254
Oh, I don't necessarily think the moon landing happened when they said it happened. It could well have happened much earlier

>>511006766 (OP)
but you don't get banned and fined for saying moon landing didn't happen, moshe

>>511019322
At this point the moon landing in your head is purely a work of your imagination.
>didnt happen when they said
>how they said
>with who they said
It’s just whatever you think for no reason. You are at odds with both reality and the official narrative.

There is nothing more for me to say here.

>>511019643
I don't think it for no reason, I think it because it makes no logical sense for them to fake it entirely, especially not multiple times and with the willing and total cooperation of the Soviets. When you're trying to disentangle lies, only an amateur stops at "they're a liar, so everything they said must be the exact opposite of the truth." Basic analysis of the costs, risks and benefits of the endeavour reveals that there must be a lot more to the story than "they just pretended to go, lol."

>>511019322
And just to point out how silly you’ve stretched this, if I am understanding correctly, you think they went to the moon before the 60s, then faked going to the moon in the late 60s.

What am I even supposed to do with that? It’s like arguing with someone over their MLP fanfic. We both agree the entire official narrative is fake, the difference just seems to be
>i think that means they didn’t go
>you think that means they did
Which is just absolutely silly.

>>511020102
No, I don't think they went before the 60s. I think they might have gone earlier than they said they did, or possibly at the same time, but I don't believe they went before 1960. The footage is either fake or heavily altered but the basic mechanics of the process are probably largely true. The thing about lying is: you don't lie about anything that you don't HAVE to lie about.

>>511020097
You just stepped on your own toes. You said they found something out so they couldn’t go back, but you also think that happened before they officially went.

That means you DO think they faked the moon landings, because you claim they couldn’t go back BEFORE they claimed to go.

Your story is as twisted and full of holes as a pretzel. And frankly boring.

I hope you recognize how much of a cope it all is some time, but I doubt it because, and here is my mind reading trick, you think it is extremely important to your belief in aliens
So you have this entire extra tier of made up fanfic that requires these core beliefs that are themself completely made up.

Its silly and I don’t know what to do with it because its so far removed from what anyone thinks is reality.

>> >>511020317

They have to go before the 60s if they went before they cooperated, which you claim; because that’s when cooperation starts.

Again, you are just reality-bending the story as more information comes to dispute it. You just have some prerequisite beliefs to your alien theory and will bend anything until it fits.

I can’t contend with that.

>>511020390
I don't believe in aliens, actually, that's not what I think they found. If I'm being particularly cynical I think it's likely economic: they found some kind of resource up there that would gut the current global order of things and they were desperate to stave that off because it would have threatened their control over things. Notice how, now that resources on Earth are becoming a crisis and the current global order is obviously unsustainable, they're starting to talk about space again? They're going to "find" an ocean of oil or something of that nature under the lunar surface in the near future.

>>511020700
So you think these nations were competing, found something that would make it impossible for any other nation to compete with them, then told their primary competitor about it, and they both decided not to get the thing that would win their and every competition ever?

I just can’t fit in my mind that amount of gymnastics at play here. The story flatly does not make sense on every level.

And none of it explains WHY you came up with this headcanon in the first place, since you distrust the mainstream narrative so deeply.

Again, here is an easier and cleaner solution: they lied. You have no reason to think they went to the moon especially since you think they lied about going to the moon….

None of this makes sense.

>>511021045
>So you think these nations were competing,
i'm just going to direct your attention back to your own post here: >>511018976
They were competing, yes, but if they happened to find anything that would make that competition irrelevant, and therefore make it so that any nation or corporation capable of spaceflight could break free from their economic hold and have access to a vast supply of untapped resources, then cooperation suddenly makes a lot of sense. This is speculation, though, I don't know for certain what they found, only that it must be important.

>>511021291
That Thing is on the fucking moon, so whoever got it first could use it to dominate the other.

I give up I’m done. Good luck

>>511021045
Actually, I do want to ask you something. Your position, as I understand it, is that the moon landings were faked, and mankind has never been to the moon. You must acknowledge that faking that completely would be a huge, expensive, risky and complicated task. If that were the case, let me ask you this: why would they do that? What makes it worthwhile for them?

>>511021422
Okay this should be really simple: faking going to the moon is less expensive and less risky and less complicated than going to the moon.

This argument is like saying “skateboarding is hard so why wouldn’t you just skateboard blindfolded while on fire?”

>what do they have to gain
Literally billions of tax payer dollars and a black budget for weapons platform development.

Sorry if people stealing money and designing weapons sounds way too far fetched compared to
>there is magic on the moon I just know it.

>>511021835
It's also less risky, expensive, and complicated than just not doing it. It was the Cold War, anon, they didn't need to make up an excuse to funnel billions of taxpayer dollars into a weapons development program. They could literally just do it. Further, there's far easier ways to siphon large amounts of money off the taxpayer secretly which don't involve making every fucking taxpayer watch something on TV that draws their attention directly to it.

>>511022020
*more risky, you know what I mean

>>511022020
Yeah I knew that whole graft and corruption angle sounded ridiculous when I typed it, clearly there is an infinity stone on the moon and they just happened to find it first try.

>>511021835
You're cooking him alive, anon. Have some mercy.

People just believe in our lying governments that are eyeball-deep in Hollywood and the shaping of public thought because... They just do, okay!?

>>511022468
At no point have I said that there's magic on the moon. It is most likely something that already exists on Earth which is useful or potentially useful, but scarce. It could be oil, it could be uranium. Whatever it is, it was in the best interests of both the Soviets and Americans to make sure it was not exploited. Oil or hydrogen make the most sense, but that's just speculating.

>>511022746
I mean I appreciate him talking because damn the real lunatics tonight just won’t bite.

But what do you do when someone is against the mainstream narrative, the reality narrative AND their own narrative?

And I find his sort alarmingly common (though typically they think aliens were on the moon instead of magic). How does it happened that you think the moon landings are real AND fake?

>>511022909
>>511022833
>maybe America found oil on the moon so they called a truce to the doomsday arms race to keep it secret by telling their only potential adversary

See I just don’t know what to do with this.

>>511022468
Anyway, the thing you haven't provided is a reason why they would do this. I'm not saying it's impossible, merely that there is literally no reason for them to do it. It doesn't make sense as a way of siphoning off money: If you're going to siphon off money, why would you ever attach it to such a public program? Setting up one of the most watched, prominent moments in human history is not a good way of secretly doing anything. Why not just go "oh yeah we need the money for the moon. oh no the rocket blew up, what a shame, anyway we spent it all."? By pretending you actually succeeded, you now have to A: spend a vast amount of money on paying off all of NASA and the Soviets not to rat on you. B: spend a vast amount of money setting up a convincing fake broadcast to show to everyone on the planet. C: Spend a vast amount of money perpetuating the lie for decades afterwards. D: spend a vast amount of money pretending to go back for seemingly no reason. Why? Just build 1 Rocket and then blow it up and say "oops it was a big waste of money" and then pocket the difference.

>>511023228
No I very literally just gave you multiple reasons and then repeated them again in the next post.

They defraud the taxpayer of billions MORE tax dollars and can fund weapons platforms MORE.
You saying
>nah uh they can infinity money!
Does nothing to dispel the fact that this program was the mechanism by which they do what you claim they can do: infinite the money.

>>511023365
It's the Cold War. You can just take the money directly for the weapons platforms. That's already what they were spending all the money on. They don't need to setup a massive and extremely risky lie to trick the taxpayer into paying for weapons development during the Cold War, anon. The taxpayer was already willingly paying for that. And further, if that were the case, why pretend to succeed? If you just pretend you're spending the money on going to the moon, and then FAIL, you can spend a trivial amount of money on having 1 rocket blow up and then just keep all the rest of the money for whatever you want. If you pretend to succeed not just once, but multiple times, you have spent billions to steal billions when you could have spent millions to steal billions(which you don't even need to steal, because the taxpayer is already fully on board with blowing billions of dollars on weapons platforms to shoot at commies).
And if, as you say, the Soviets are their secret allies, what are they even building the weapons platforms for? Not to defeat the Soviets, surely, that would make no sense. You're accusing me of magical thinking, here, but your own narrative requires that America and the USSR are secretly best friends who faked their space programs together so that they could spend billions siphoning off billions to secretly spend on something that they were already openly spending on, which they wouldn't actually need because their only significant enemy is secretly their best friend. What is the point of this, anon? Surely there is an easier and cheaper way of stealing money than to setup the most public, most expensive hoax in the history of mankind. The government steals taxpayer money all the time. They don't need to do something this elaborate or this public to steal money.

>>511023365
>Does nothing to dispel the fact that this program was the mechanism by which they do what you claim they can do: infinite the money.
Also, this is just something they were already doing with fiat currency and fractional reserve banking. Which, you'll note, are things that are very much not prominent because, when the government is trying to steal money from the taxpayer, they make it sound boring and complicated so that people don't pay attention to it. The last thing they want to do when they're picking your pocket is say "Hey, look at my hand, it's doing something REALLY IMPORTANT right now."

>>511022909
>lunatics
kek. good thread btw

>>511016764
Good cope

>>511006766 (OP)
Space is fake, Jewish, and gay, just like OP.

>>511023941
Okay look man, this feels like trying to explain to a child how instruments are used to make music while they insist radios are used to make music.

Do you think we were really funding transgender dance festivals in Uganda through USAID? It’s an accounting trick to steal our money. This is how the music is made. Stop saying
>nuh uh they can just turn on the radio if they want music

I don’t know how you expect me to entertain
>bro they don’t have to secretly trick the money out of the taxpayers pocket, they can just secretly trick the money out of the taxpayers pocket!
When your solution to the riddle of why the entire moon landing is fake is… that it’s real but a secret kind of real because oil on the moon maybe.

>>511024642
You can’t prove that

>>511025020
Really, you don't seem to get the problem, because the examples you're providing are making my point for me. Yes, a transgender dance festival in Uganda is a front for siphoning off money. The difference between a transgender dance festival in Uganda and landing on the moon is that throwing a transgender dance festival in Uganda is cheap and nobody cares about or pays attention to it. You don't even have to fake it, you can just say "we need 10 million dollars for a cultural event to help needy Ugandans," spend 100k throwing up a stage in the ass end of Africa and stick a few trannies up there and then pocket 9.9 million for whatever. Nobody will notice, nobody will care because it's something that nobody wants to watch that you're doing on a different continent. And nobody will talk about it after it's over, because who gives a shit? This is exactly how the government likes to steal money. They do it all the time.
That being the case, why the fuck would they instead do something that everyone cares about, which everyone will watch because they themselves put it on TV, which happens(at least the launch part) in America? Something that will go down in the history books, which people will be talking about for a hundred years? Why would they ever base something they want to keep secret(theft) on faking something that everyone will be paying extremely close attention to(a historic achievement for the entire species)? Why would they put it on TV themselves? Like, do you think the public really expected a live broadcast of this? I cannot think of a worse way to steal money.
I could totally accept the Soviets faking Gagarin's spaceflight, because they didn't put it on TV or tell the public about it until after it happened, and Gagarin mysteriously died not long after. That makes sense, that's a low-cost fake. But if NASA was faking the moon landing to steal money they made it way harder and more expensive than they needed to for seemingly no reason.

If the Apollo missions were all faked, there would be no equipment, footprints, or other evidence left. You might as well argue that the Titanic isn’t at the bottom of the Atlantic because it never existed in the first place.

>>511025351
I mean if your argument is
>i trust the government
I don’t even understand why you are here