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Anonymous ID: amu5pU3zUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:29:42 PM No.511054310
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im really afraid of fusion energy and its (political) consequences.
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Anonymous ID: 50Bs1uQMUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:33:25 PM No.511054588
>>511054310 (OP)
Hopefully it will destroy Russia's oil and gas industry once and for all.
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Anonymous ID: vdebffPIUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:35:12 PM No.511054698
>>511054310 (OP)
Fake just like the Sun
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Anonymous ID: PVTCV+oL
7/22/2025, 5:35:51 PM No.511054746
>>511054588
not only that but destroy the global industry too.
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Anonymous ID: V17JsBJhUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:36:26 PM No.511054791
>>511054310 (OP)
So are the jews OP
Anonymous ID: 9Q0YL5Qm
7/22/2025, 5:38:03 PM No.511054917
NASA is working on nuclear propulsion that can get people to Mars in one single day.

If that happens we could actually move huge amounts of equipment, population, etc. to Mars in a very short while and maybe solve our overpopulation issues without the need for violence or killing birthrates.
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Anonymous ID: PPUnWdxRUnited Kingdom
7/22/2025, 5:38:37 PM No.511054970
>>511054310 (OP)
Which are?
Anonymous ID: aQBJGGRdDenmark
7/22/2025, 5:40:46 PM No.511055127
>>511054310 (OP)
It'll shift some leverage away from countries that have large oil / gas / uranium reserves (but maybe just onto those with lithium reserves.)
Anonymous ID: 6G3+C38sSouth Africa
7/22/2025, 5:43:17 PM No.511055333
>>511054310 (OP)
Magic luddies like yourself will doom us. That being said yes Tritium control will become everything.
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:43:55 PM No.511055376
>>511054310 (OP)

Are you one of those leftoid freaks that hates humanity?
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 5:45:41 PM No.511055509
Can someone with phd redpill me about the fusion energy in OP? How can it be unlimited if we have only limited amount of resources available to us? Is it some quantum shit that sucks out the energy out of a black hole in different dimesion?
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Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 5:55:16 PM No.511056220
>>511054310 (OP)
dont let fusion worry you anon. ive been going to fusion restaurants for years, never had any problems.
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Anonymous ID: V17JsBJhUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:55:59 PM No.511056283
>>511055509
It's unlimited kind of like how oil power was a hundred years ago. Once society adapts in a few generations we'll grow to want more and more. It is the next step to unless some faggot/robofaggot figures out zero point before then.
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 5:55:59 PM No.511056284
>>511055509
>phd
not I, but I can answer the question. D-T (deuterium-tritium) fusion in a tokamak is what OP is implying. Those are isotopes of hydrogen. There is a lot of deuterium in normal water; tritium is naturally scarce but can be created by bombarding certain things with neutrons. (normal water in a fission reactor, or a blanket of lithium in the tokamak itself).

Anyway the amount of energy we could create by using the amount of atoms of deuterium separated from normal ocean water and bread from available lithium is so unbelievably huge compared to any other energy source we have utilized before as a species, it is basically unlimited.
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Anonymous ID: 2o2HN8XTGermany
7/22/2025, 5:56:10 PM No.511056301
>>511056220
And they say Germans have no humor
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Anonymous ID: bLApNifTVietnam
7/22/2025, 5:58:01 PM No.511056444
>>511056301
Don't worry Germanbro, I've been listening to fusion music for years and still have no energy.
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Anonymous ID: xCGY8z43United States
7/22/2025, 5:59:09 PM No.511056551
>>511054917
unless Nasa figures out inertia dampeners or something similar, it can't be done.
Mars at its closest is 96m km
To traverse that distance in a day, you would have to accelerate at 25.7m
You're asking the meatbags to withstand 2.6Gs for 24 hours.
It can't be done.
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Anonymous ID: YPDGjxMbUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:00:09 PM No.511056641
>>511054310 (OP)
fusion energy is a net zero boondoggle designed to waste humanity's time and money.
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Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 6:02:06 PM No.511056786
>>511056551
lets call it 3 days then. thats still not bad
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Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 6:03:14 PM No.511056873
>>511056444
hopefully you got that music for free at least. free energy is one thing but free no-energy just sounds lame.
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 6:04:14 PM No.511056948
>>511056284
>it is basically unlimited.
>>511056283

So basically it would be a really abundant source of energy and not unlimited? Dishonesty of journalists triggers me das all.
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Anonymous ID: xCGY8z43United States
7/22/2025, 6:05:22 PM No.511057033
>>511056786
much more comfy
~1.4 m per sec per sec
So, very comfy for humans
Anonymous ID: 4Q397vy4
7/22/2025, 6:05:35 PM No.511057052
>>511054310 (OP)
do we really need 'free energy'?
a lot of people will be sacrificed for a minor conveniece
Anonymous ID: Cg5rmXq4
7/22/2025, 6:06:53 PM No.511057159
>>511056551
Sounds like you just did that on a slide rule. Seems legit.
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:07:44 PM No.511057219
>>511056641

lol. lmao even. The only problem has been is that physicists have consistently thought it would be easier to accomplish than it has proven to be. But the US govt. has achieved breakeven at NIF, so its just a matter of time. My bet would be Commonwealth Fusion Systems is going to make their tokamak work and that will be that in just a few more years. (but lets continue to build out fission plants as a backup plan until then)
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Anonymous ID: xCGY8z43United States
7/22/2025, 6:08:39 PM No.511057288
>>511057159
distance formula from highschool + a quick google on the distance of Mars at its closest
Anonymous ID: NGzi37tcUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:10:42 PM No.511057461
>>511056551
Time dilation. How does it work?
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:14:48 PM No.511057803
>>511056948
>So basically it would be a really abundant source of energy and not unlimited?

In this case I think unlimited is an ok stretch of language. The raw energy availability would be unfathomable and would change everything. For example one concept for 'recycling' is to turn anything difficult to reuse/recycle into a plasma (breaking all chemical bonds) and distill out all the individual elements. That would take a huge amount of energy to do. But with enough and cheap enough energy the rules of everything would be rewritten.
Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 6:14:52 PM No.511057808
>>511057159
maybe he did it in his head or maybe he just looked up a calculator online. either way, you can check his math instead of just being a little bitch.
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Anonymous ID: Zr3Y2i7jUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:15:04 PM No.511057822
Even with unlimited energy they'll still charge for it. Rent seeking kikes
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Anonymous ID: Cg5rmXq4
7/22/2025, 6:16:08 PM No.511057912
>>511057461
Time dilation does nothing to help with high Gs, it's caused by it.
Anonymous ID: Cg5rmXq4
7/22/2025, 6:17:09 PM No.511057982
>>511057808
U wot nigger?
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Anonymous ID: xCGY8z43United States
7/22/2025, 6:17:47 PM No.511058030
>>511057461
I took highschool physics ~25 years ago.
No fucking clue
I think it's suppose to "start", as in noticeable to us, at around 10% of light speed.
Anonymous ID: 4V5oeHawUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:19:40 PM No.511058173
>>511054310 (OP)
We already have fusion bombs, so the worst of it is already past. The tech will be regulated to death because energy scarcity is a big part of what keeps wagies in their cagies, which is the top priority of any government that wants to continue existing
Anonymous ID: xCGY8z43United States
7/22/2025, 6:21:23 PM No.511058300
>>511057808
>maybe he did it in his head
definitely not
I'm just an average dipshit
I remembered the distance formula and looked up the closest distance Mars is to us, which is ~96m km once every ~2 years
Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 6:21:32 PM No.511058309
>>511057982
you heard
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Anonymous ID: 2o2HN8XTGermany
7/22/2025, 6:22:07 PM No.511058353
>>511056444
Ok that actually made me smile a bit
Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:22:34 PM No.511058385
>>511057822
while I appreciate the sentiment, the initial machines are/will be hugely expensive. You have million degree plasma separated from superconducting magnets at cryogenic temperatures by mere inches.

It will be like current fission plants where the construction cost is very large, but the fuel cost is pretty low and the tear down/cleanup cost will be fairly low too. The advantage will be significantly less radiation risk and no nuclear weapon proliferation risk and no meltdown risk.
Anonymous ID: Cg5rmXq4
7/22/2025, 6:24:42 PM No.511058550
>>511058309
But you didn't. I was complimenting him dumbass.
I trust people who can work with slide rules to know their stuff.
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Anonymous ID: LXqeoM54Hungary
7/22/2025, 6:25:17 PM No.511058594
>>511054588
Russian gas and oil are real. All this talk about fusion is charlatanism.
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Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 6:25:19 PM No.511058597
>>511058550
you sounded sarcastic.
Anonymous ID: czVhpO1UTurkey
7/22/2025, 6:29:06 PM No.511058881
You missed the AI rally, you missed quantum rally. Will you pass fusion stock rally too pol?
Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:29:33 PM No.511058920
https://lasers.llnl.gov/science/achieving-fusion-ignition

I'm going to drop this here, because NIF is about the coolest thing ever. (even if tokamaks end up winning the practical power system race).
Anonymous ID: sgAJ+8YqCanada
7/22/2025, 6:29:40 PM No.511058928
It's already been figured out extensively behind closed doors. If we were going to die from the experiments and usage, it would have already happened. Lockheed Martin, Boeing etc can very likely do everything from teleportation to forging brand new atoms but due to the classification of exotic physics it's basically just a tool for the US military right now.
t. physics textbooks from the 80's talking about successful cold fusion breakthroughs being successfully hidden from the public
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Anonymous ID: +kxJENdmUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:31:26 PM No.511059066
>>511054310 (OP)
It's just nuclear energy without the radiation. Are you afraid of the sun?
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 6:32:15 PM No.511059132
>>511054310 (OP)
yea you should absolutely quaking
can you imagine unlimited free energy? no resource wars over oil? entire globohomo industries based around oil and destruction collapsing overnight?
what a terrible thing
im sure theyll totally let that happen

also, we can actually already get ignition btw
the problem? its not actually self-sustaining like we thought itd be. it goes out. and more important from the economic PoV, actually turning that into any sort of energy creation is not even close. as it is now its billions for a single shot to compress/ignite the fuel, and then it goes out.
interesting data for the geeks, im sure, but i wouldnt hold my breath for the next century (or two) to wait around for it. definitely wouldnt be afraid of it. if it happens at all itll be demonized and buried to try and avoid driving the entire petro industry under
i can already see it now
>no miniature nuclear bombs in MY neighborhood
>ban fusion reactors
>save the children/whales/whatever
>sponsored by aramcoโ„ข
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Anonymous ID: zMb5rewuCanada
7/22/2025, 6:32:54 PM No.511059165
>>511054310 (OP)
Don't worry, it will be 30 years away for the next hundred years.
>But muh positive fusion gain! (ignore ~1% efficient lasers)
Lol, lmao even.
Positive electricity gain is 20-30 years away (big error bounds on that, ngl). Might be as little as 15 ish years, but the biggest problem by far is making those over engineered piles of scrap cost effective. Or even just making one with a productive power density comparable to a fission reactor without the plasma instabilities stripping away the walls within a month.
Oh, and lmao once it turns out those breeding blankets get scrapped as high level waste at the end of their useful life. Hopefully not.
Anonymous ID: JMLn6QSSUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:34:52 PM No.511059307
>>511054310 (OP)
I wouldn't worry about it, we have had the capability for decades, but its being hindered because it fucks up rich peoples monopoly on resources.
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Anonymous ID: sgAJ+8YqCanada
7/22/2025, 6:35:39 PM No.511059365
>>511059307
Pretty much this
Anonymous ID: m5fi0UH7United States
7/22/2025, 6:36:18 PM No.511059420
>>511058594
Remove fusion from the equation and think of things in purely geopolitical terms. Every single cost-benefit calculation in geopolitics is about energy, not just the volume of energy, but its scarcity. How many times has 'peak oil' been threatened and used as an excuse to hike gas prices even though we're at the point where we have enough oil for the entire global population many times over. That narrative is collapsing, but the current power structure revolves around the control of energy, so even if it is abundant the areas where it's located must be controlled. Places like Russia, MENA, Norway, the US, Canada. If there ever was a new form of energy to surpass oil do you think the current power structure would allow it? Have you ever seen a civilian run power plant? There would be no political stability at all, a state could completely isolate itself. That's why neoliberals flipped out when Gaddafi isolated Libya, because he had his own oil and wanted to leverage it. You can't predict what an energy sufficient rogue state will do, so they'll stall out energy and privatize it until states and nationality are little more than cultural affects.
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Anonymous ID: N1aUIFDmUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:38:02 PM No.511059565
Most modern fusion research focuses mainly on deuterium-tritium or light element cycle fusion using tokamak or stellarators to confine the plasma.

One of the major issues that all these proposed reactor designs have is they have yet to come up with an efficient energy conversion system to turn that fusion product into useable energy. Unlike a nuclear or coal fired plants you cannot simply use a boiler or heat exchanger system to convert thermal energy to working steam to run a turbine.

There are other issue as well. DT cycle fusion produces neutrons that embed into the reactor walls and cause metal fatigue along with making them radio active due to neutron radiation.

Fusion power in it's current form is a massive scam. They have known since the late 70's that DT cycle fusion is not financially feasible.

Yet the power that be keep the masses believing that we are just a few years away from magical unlimited energy that would release the stranglehold they have on humanity with fossil fuels.

Real practical fusion is possible via Lithium-6 protonic fusion but that technology is intentionally buried as it actually works.
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:41:20 PM No.511059798
>>511059132
>its not actually self-sustaining like we thought itd be

inertial fusion was never expected to be self-sustaining. The concept has always been to drop pellets of fuel and individually blast them with lasers. If you can get the shot repetition rates to say 10Hz, there you go.

Interestingly enough even tokamaks don't run continuously. They have to ramp one of their magnetic fields up continuously, so the totamaks operate in say 'bursts' of 1000 sec or so. (I think ITER is something like that).

It would take a stellarator to actually truly run continuously.
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Anonymous ID: UroqZSuxSweden
7/22/2025, 6:42:53 PM No.511059911
>>511055509
When people say fusion energy provides unlimited energy they don't mean literally an infinite, endless amount, they mean that it will be plentiful that it will easily cover all out needs. That being said, as far as I know we're not even close to that level yet.
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Anonymous ID: N1aUIFDmUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:45:04 PM No.511060076
https://orcutt.net/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Trouble-With-Fusion_MIT_Tech_Review_1983.pdf
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 6:45:28 PM No.511060105
>>511059420
>>511059565
I bet that TPTB are first waiting to mine and hoard all of the Lithium worldwide and only then will the fusion be offered as the alternative. That's why there was a big ruckus and people protesting in Serbia about mining Lithium by outside actors not so long ago.
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Anonymous ID: x3iBz6KmUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:45:32 PM No.511060110
>>511059066
Not sure if you're aware, the sun gives off radiation.
Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:49:28 PM No.511060417
>>511059565
>Unlike a nuclear or coal fired plants you cannot simply use a boiler or heat exchanger system to convert thermal energy to working steam to run a turbine.

yes, you absolutely can extract energy that way, and that is the plan even for ITER, but they won't have a turbine or generator as it is an experimental thing, they will just dump the energy into water and waste it - the plant is a giant experimental facility and the conversion of hot water to power is so well understood they didn't care to implement that.

>>Real practical fusion is possible via Lithium-6 protonic fusion

nah bro. DT fusion is the easiest and most practical one to achieve which is why it is the one being experimented with now.

Your argument vaguely reminds me of the rah-rah-rah for molten salt thorium fission reactors - an un-mastered tech when you could just build some conventional nuclear power plant and get power now.
Anonymous ID: N1aUIFDmUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:50:57 PM No.511060516
>>511060105
Yeah the lithium 6 Isotope only makes up around 5-6 percent of most lithium sources and still requires separation from the more common lithium 7. It is also difficult to work with due to the reactivity of lithium metal but we have supply chains in place for working with it due to reliance on lithium battery technology.
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 6:51:41 PM No.511060580
>>511059911
Well I think that people should stop eating shit and call things as they are, PLENTIFULLY ABUNDANT and not UNLIMITED which implies INFINITE.
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 6:53:23 PM No.511060678
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>>511059066
oh no dude theres a LOT of radiation. its crazy how hot it is actually.
you just dont do it outside. nor do you point it at anyone. or let anyone anywhere near the laser or the target bay while youre doing a shot. you got like 4ft concrete lead-lined walls all around it
i got to see the U of R one a few times
the ones in cali and los alamos are like 10x bigger, but its still some of the most insane looking engineering ive ever seen

>>511059798
>inertial fusion was never expected to be self-sustaining
yea i know
ppl dont realize its still very much the wild west of throwing shit at the wall. they need to actually understand wtf is even happening in order to harness it. or to even see if they can harness it, for that matter.

>The concept has always been to drop pellets of fuel and individually blast them with lasers
which is just crazy, isnt it? because one shot costs like billions of dollars
how tf do you scale that? youre using more energy than youre creating
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Anonymous ID: UroqZSuxSweden
7/22/2025, 6:54:47 PM No.511060792
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>>511060580
When you saw pic related did you write an angry letter to George Lucas stating that if Palpatine actually had unlimited, infinite power he would also have infinite mass, which would make the entire universe collapse upon itself at infinite speed?
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Anonymous ID: zlisWloPUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:55:43 PM No.511060851
>>511054310 (OP)
Energy is a scam that did nothing but cause misery.

Why don't we go back to ancient times where there was none of this nonsense to make bizarre contraptions work?
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 6:56:23 PM No.511060899
I wouldn't throw in the towel so quickly about the fusion. People said in the past that flight was impossible too yet the Wright brothers pulled it off.
Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 6:57:14 PM No.511060963
>>511060851
oh yea lets try to find enough lantern fuel and chopped wood and coal for 6 billion ppl
great idea
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Anonymous ID: zlisWloPUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:58:19 PM No.511061034
>>511060963
Yes. That would unironically make the world a better place.
Anonymous ID: N1aUIFDmUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:58:22 PM No.511061041
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>>511060851
Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:58:27 PM No.511061051
>>511060076

That's a great article, but amusingly enough, commonwealth fusion systems is a MIT spinoff. Also that article is 40 years old with respect to the state of the art(s).
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 6:58:59 PM No.511061084
>>511060792
I am not that much of a raging autist.
Anonymous ID: G1olcPPMUnited States
7/22/2025, 6:59:20 PM No.511061113
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>>511054310 (OP)
You idiots do realize even if "Free" energy is developed, you're still going to be charged for it. Nay?
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 6:59:47 PM No.511061146
>>511060792
>which would make the entire universe collapse upon itself at infinite speed?
maybe thats why it was a long long time ago even tho it was only filmed in the 80s?
time dilation due to palpatines massive balls
Anonymous ID: f+xprdWQUnited Kingdom
7/22/2025, 7:00:34 PM No.511061214
>>511054746
This
Why should we care about global trade
Id much rather everyone made stuff for their own people
Anonymous ID: qtQQlEoUFrance
7/22/2025, 7:01:09 PM No.511061270
>>511054310 (OP)
The only one thing you must afraid is non-whites having this White -nvented technology
Anonymous ID: bLApNifTVietnam
7/22/2025, 7:04:46 PM No.511061531
>>511058550
You're arguing with a literal jeet, I promise you.
Anonymous ID: 3XlYuwQZUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:04:46 PM No.511061533
see you space cowboy
see you space cowboy
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>>511054310 (OP)
An abundance of cheap energy has always proceeded an economic boom and vastly improved economic mobility and at least a generation of increased prosperity for the working class. Why are you afraid of that? It could also lead to enabling inter system space travel and a near elimination of resource scarcity for the foreseeable future.
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Anonymous ID: 8b4ELKj8Canada
7/22/2025, 7:06:27 PM No.511061637
>>511061113
>You idiots
Because someone still has the build the machine itself, maintain the transmission infrastructure, etc.
Look at your existing power bill - the majority is distribution charges, i.e. pay off the billions of dollars it cost to develop the infrastructure.
A magic plasma source of energy does not change this fact.
Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:06:44 PM No.511061658
>>511060678
>how tf do you scale that? youre using more energy than youre creating

I personally don't think inertial confinement is going to be the way to go; that a tokamak concept is more interesting for power production. The US government funded NIF because it is basically creating an environment where we can do nuclear weapons R&D without breaking the nuclear test ban treaty.

BUT. for NIF the inner fuel capsule is just a little bit of hydrogen ice inside a tiny sphere of diamond (carbon). Yes - and all made with staggering precision. But we have figured out how to make trillions of amazing transistors at incredible volume in semiconductors. And volume is the key. NIF is just about figuring out the physics. Once that is done, pass the problem over to a bunch of engineers and they will figure out how to do it in volume - and the raw cost of the materials is known to be very low. I don't think that manufacture of fuel pellets would be an obstacle for a power plant - I am just not sure that this overall concept will win even if it achieved break-even first.
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Anonymous ID: 9NL3XXKyUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:13:30 PM No.511062122
>>511061533
Look around. Who is really in charge? Do their plans include your people's continued existance?

Why would you want them to have fusion?
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Anonymous ID: H2V5if+KSwitzerland
7/22/2025, 7:14:29 PM No.511062197
>>511054310 (OP)
>im really afraid of fusion energy and its (political) consequences.
are you jewish?
Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:20:34 PM No.511062662
>>511062122
It would happen due to geopolitical pressure. Whoever gets this first will have a huge advantage over competing countries. Energy is a huge % of production costs. Production supplies the militaries. This is a global effort and competition and has been since the beginning of nuclear technologies.
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 7:21:55 PM No.511062762
>>511061658
>The US government funded NIF because it is basically creating an environment where we can do nuclear weapons R&D without breaking the nuclear test ban treaty.
and that, boys and girls, is how you secure funding FOREVER
eggheads everywhere should be taking notes. this is important stuff

>for NIF the inner fuel capsule is just a little bit of hydrogen ice inside a tiny sphere of diamond (carbon)
i didnt know about that desu
i only ever got to do grunt work on the LLE at U of R, and it was a long time ago by now. i remember they used to hang the DT targets in the chamber with spider webs. thought that was neat. they had a guy there and that was his whole job: milking spiders lol. apparently it was found to cause the least interference with all their cameras at the time
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:28:51 PM No.511063271
>>511062762
>eggheads everywhere should be taking notes. this is important stuff

lol. it cuts both ways. I have read that the nuclear energy and astrophysics aspects of NIF is just done to get eggheads interested in working on and with NIF.

>>i only ever got to do grunt work on the LLE at U of R, and it was a long time ago by now.

That is super cool. iirc they are using um thick films of plastic (tents) now to hang the capsule, but even this is causing distortions in the collapsing diamond capsule - and so some other systems are being worked on.
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Anonymous ID: 6Iee3VWxNetherlands
7/22/2025, 7:36:17 PM No.511063818
>>511055509
Most fusion energy concepts make use of something called heavy water, deuterium and tritium, and both are found in exceptional abundance in every ocean in the entire world.
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Anonymous ID: rGAGo80bUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:38:02 PM No.511063945
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zero point energy
Anonymous ID: L0RlI/6cCanada
7/22/2025, 7:41:47 PM No.511064236
>>511055333
Canada makes an absolute shitton of tritium with the CANDU heavy water reactors.

Helium 3 to use in a hydrogen/helium fusion reactor doped with tritium is the best design though. There are designs that don't use neutron flux but I'm not sure they're going to produce as much power.
Anonymous ID: L0RlI/6cCanada
7/22/2025, 7:43:01 PM No.511064329
>>511058928
Cold fusion would make a decent battery.
Anonymous ID: aVwsa6tlUnited States
7/22/2025, 7:45:50 PM No.511064526
>>511063818
Tritium isn't abundant in the ocean.
Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 7:48:31 PM No.511064707
>>511063271
>I have read that the nuclear energy and astrophysics aspects of NIF is just done to get eggheads interested in working on and with NIF.
ive known several ppl, and thats basically the trajectory. if youre going out to los alamos or cali rn, and actually getting clearance and working on the interesting stuff going on there, its DoE funded weapons R&D, and thats pretty much it. no if ands or buts.
and if you dont wanna do that, or feel conflicted about that from a moral PoV and the thought of using such technology for destruction, then stfu and never to talk to us ever again.
go try and beg your governor for funding for your smaller fusion lab, im sure itll work this time (it wont, theyre broke)

apparently U of R got some fed moneys recently, from what im reading, so they must be trying to appeal to that as well in some fashion.
on the bright side, at least research is being done on this stuff at all. so many ppl too willing to handwave away something so potentially game-changing, all because its "too expensive". so is fucking everything else
Anonymous ID: KVnSLxQ8United States
7/22/2025, 7:50:07 PM No.511064828
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>>511054917
Itโ€™s wild to think that the majority of the population believes in these fairy tales. Like, itโ€™s terrifying. I understand how people like Ted are created.
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Anonymous ID: L0RlI/6cCanada
7/22/2025, 7:52:23 PM No.511064980
>>511059066
The entire point is to generate radiation. It just creates very little waste.
Anonymous ID: L0RlI/6cCanada
7/22/2025, 7:52:54 PM No.511065025
>>511059307
This is entirely the reason.
Anonymous ID: LjL1y9zIUnited Kingdom
7/22/2025, 7:54:38 PM No.511065156
>>511054310 (OP)
if we're ever eventually allowed to have fusion, it'll still just be a fancy water boiler. the real free energy will remain hidden from the goyim and could be built out of a box of electrical scrap if only we were taught the true nature of the universe.
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Anonymous ID: L0RlI/6cCanada
7/22/2025, 7:55:38 PM No.511065242
>>511065156
I don't know about that.

https://www.helionenergy.com/

These guys are doing it without a steam turbine. Will see how it goes.
Anonymous ID: LjL1y9zIUnited Kingdom
7/22/2025, 7:57:41 PM No.511065651
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>>511057219
>TWO MORE DECADES
>TRUST THE PLAN
>PHYSICISTS IN CONTROL
Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 7:57:53 PM No.511065667
>>511064828
didnt read enough ray bradbury
i know not to go to mars
its because of the space ghosts
theyll get ya
Anonymous ID: 3XlYuwQZUnited States
7/22/2025, 8:06:20 PM No.511066253
china thorium reactor
china thorium reactor
md5: 6e55f418d953254710f1a8acd6c8cae7๐Ÿ”
>>511062122
Because they also want more everything and actually getting to space in a meaningful manner means theoretical infinity more everything.
>>511062662
This anon fucking understands things. The chinks and poos are actively building thorium reactors right now. The second they get them online (barring kike geopolitical fuckery) "our" policy makers Aare going to shit their pants and start having a conniption fit as to why we weren't building ours since the 60's when we fucking invented them and proved that they work. (the reason we didn't is because our current style of reactor enables us to make nuclear weapons with them and thorium doesn't amongst several other geopolitical possibly kike related fuckery reasons.) But fusion if it ever stops being perpetually just 20 years away might kinda work the same way. Except unlike thorium it actually makes as much if not more nuclear waste than conventional high pressure fissile stack reactors if I understand the current tech as it is. So other than being at least as expensive as a HPNR it is not necessarily that much cleaner and only offers the advantage of the poors not being able to afford them and having to get their watts from BP/Exxon/etc... . The problem with that blackrock/haliburton monopoly man tier evil doctrine is that the second the cats out of the bag they will have to compete again and will always choose the cheapest solution. Personal opinion it's going to be thorium in our lifetime and maybe fusion in your non existent grandchildren's. TFW I was born too early to ride a small jury rigged man made sun superheating and ejecting xenon plasma at near relativistic speeds to harvest space rocks on the ass end of our solar system for galactic emperor Elon"s Brain in a robot body/AI clone. Feels bad man.
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Anonymous ID: RACFSUJTItaly
7/22/2025, 8:07:02 PM No.511066298
wow the supreme meme and supreme waste of taxpayer money, the fusion.
even physicist call it fake and gay
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Anonymous ID: duM4VQ4aHungary
7/22/2025, 8:09:16 PM No.511066453
>>511054310 (OP)
it seems like AI will finally give the incentive for [[them]] to properly fund nuclear/fusion energy development, since it's burning trough a whole lot of energy to roleplay as someone who loves (You)
Anonymous ID: aVwsa6tlUnited States
7/22/2025, 8:14:09 PM No.511066840
>>511066298
We could just make fission reactors and call it a day* but that's too expensive.**

*for 1000 years
**apparently, compared to fusion memes
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 8:19:17 PM No.511067217
>>511066253
>The chinks and poos are actively building thorium reactors right now. The second they get them online (barring kike geopolitical fuckery) "our" policy makers Aare going to shit their pants and start having a conniption fit
lol no theyre not dude
thorium is not some golden goose. its just fission.
its not even a replacement. theyre literally just a nice supplement (and even compliment, due to the fuels being used) to standard reactors. theyre not even really safer or cleaner or that much different at all from an energy-user PoV, outside of the different types of waste they produce (and the engineering obv)

its literally JUST another way to do nuclear fission
thats it
dont get memed on (youre getting memed on)
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Anonymous ID: MDJWYE5FGermany
7/22/2025, 8:20:52 PM No.511067345
>>511054588
Would be bad timing, now that you forced us to buy US gas and oil.
Anonymous ID: +CVrP9B5Malaysia
7/22/2025, 8:23:08 PM No.511067508
>>511065156
>could be built out of a box of electrical scrap
Yes it can
Don't worry we retards are working on it
Safe, cheap and limitless
It will be a powerful asset in the upcoming revolution
aliens are guiding us btw
Anonymous ID: RACFSUJTItaly
7/22/2025, 8:23:14 PM No.511067514
>>511066840
fission it's fine for some use, aka big plants.
even 1000 years in the future you'll have situations that require local small power generation, so fossil fuel it's going nowhere.
hydro still is and will be a clean, economical way to produce electricity. solar and wind have already reached a mature standpoint.
we don't need anything new for the foreseeable future, 100s of years.
fusion could be a thing in 300 years, but there is a ton of challenges to overcome.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbhKQRV6Toq4ocE3C1EwVbeY4ofwrPLn_
Anonymous ID: LjL1y9zIUnited Kingdom
7/22/2025, 8:31:11 PM No.511068138
>>511067217
yeah, of course it's fission, and what's wrong with that? it's just fission with way more abundant elements than uranium.
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Anonymous ID: L0RlI/6cCanada
7/22/2025, 8:36:11 PM No.511068723
>>511068138
The presence of highly corrosive salts seems like a problem.
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 8:43:26 PM No.511069326
>>511068138
The additional abundance of thorium is irrelevant. Even you have an absolute mess of plutonium, just use that. We are good for hundreds of years with nuclear fission; and that doesn't even matter imho, like I've said above, I don't think practical fusion for power is even 20 years away from now.
Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 8:45:47 PM No.511069513
>>511068138
>it's just fission with way more abundant elements than uranium
its not really
its just another way of achieving fission. like a diesel engine vs a gas one. both have their uses and things they can excel at. both ultimately do the same thing tho, and both exist in tandem. thats what thorium reactors should be. a way to supplement existing nuclear energy infra

you look at some of these absolute asspull numbers chinks have been putting out about their new memereactor, youd think theyd discovered the fucking warp drive. they didnt. they took some old design that fell out of favor (cuz we were tryna make bombs, and memesalt aint cutting it) and tried to scale it up. and good on em. unlike most of the shit theyve stolen over the years, they actually did most of their own engineering this time. and everyone clapped

my point was, no ones gonna be shitting intl bricks cuz asia made some new reactor types. it doesnt actually change that much. we still have a lot more fuel than we do reactors of either kind. the more we utilize of both, the cheaper (and cleaner, as if anyone actually cares) energy gets
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Anonymous ID: dq7WQkmrUnited States
7/22/2025, 8:46:24 PM No.511069559
>>511068723
you don't need to use molten salt reactors in order to use thorium. The important part is just breeding U233 - and there is nothing really special about it. Its just a different fuel cycle. It has proliferation risks the same as the uranium cycle.
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 8:55:13 PM No.511070282
>>511069513
>and cleaner, as if anyone actually cares)
I am one of those ecologically minded ones who care about the polution of the environment and nature. It hurts to see manmade trash littered around everywhere here.
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 9:08:20 PM No.511071397
>>511070282
i do too honestly, at least in terms of general pollution
nuke is so far ahead the rest it hardly matters, nothing else is even worth considering imo

i just meant that as in the broader energy industry gives zero fucks. they like to play pretend and write grants to themselves, but our oceans are full of plastic because large oil cos figured out how to sell us their fucking trash, and thems the brakes. trash world.
if we went full nuke wed have more nuke waste, sure, but the volume isnt even comparable. and, fun fact, it turns out we were wayyyy off with estimates on how long it takes waste to decay to become essentially non-threatening. so even thats not that big a deal
we just gotta actually build enough reactors and train enough ppl to run them. thats the bottleneck rn. fuel is no issue
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:11:01 PM No.511071650
>>511071397
Apparently some researchers found microplastics even in peoples testicles.
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Anonymous ID: duM4VQ4aHungary
7/22/2025, 9:12:07 PM No.511071755
>>511071650
yeah, in mine. i 3d print babies by cumming.
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Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 9:13:09 PM No.511071851
>>511071650
vou vill eat ze plastics
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:14:40 PM No.511071967
>>511071755
Plastics leak xenoestrontgens or some feminine stuff like that.
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Anonymous ID: feX6ZZwOUnited States
7/22/2025, 9:14:55 PM No.511071990
>>511054310 (OP)
sustainable nuclear fusion = infinite jeets/niggers
its a larger threat to white people than nuclear weapons
Anonymous ID: 7HL0WnbZHungary
7/22/2025, 9:15:59 PM No.511072066
>>511056284
I've taken in more tritium than everyone in this thread combined, if I get a big uptake I just get absolutely pissered but in general I think I'm pretty good at avoiding it though i hear it's not bueno for the prostate.
Anonymous ID: duM4VQ4aHungary
7/22/2025, 9:16:07 PM No.511072077
>>511071967
it's fine, i balance it out with TRT
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:19:45 PM No.511072374
>>511071851
I don't like it though and I am not happy.
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:29:16 PM No.511073151
>>511072077
Doctors actually prescribe those in Yurop?
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Anonymous ID: duM4VQ4aHungary
7/22/2025, 9:32:11 PM No.511073414
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>>511073151
>prescribe
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Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 9:33:52 PM No.511073552
>>511071650
which people? where do they live?
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:34:13 PM No.511073581
>>511073414
Where are you getting your testosterone replenishment from? Or are you just memeing me with your TRT?
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:38:16 PM No.511073902
>>511073552
There were threads about it on /pol/ here and I think those people might not be among the living anymore since they did the research on their bodies. Some people donate their bodies to scientific and medical research before they die. I think that's a thing in USA.
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Anonymous ID: gtpS5aZRUnited States
7/22/2025, 9:40:05 PM No.511074053
>>511054310 (OP)
Since op is a faggot.
https://www.re-tv.org/articles/fusion-the-future-of-unlimited-energy
Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 9:42:04 PM No.511074206
>>511073902
>Some people donate their bodies to scientific and medical research before they die. I think that's a thing in USA.
lol funny you should mention that
i was reading this earlier today
https://archive.ph/QPq1y
DONT check the box to let them harvest organs from you
youre worth a lot more dead than alive
Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 9:43:36 PM No.511074324
>>511073902
i wouldn't really worry about it anon. just have your kids, eat the best you can. carry on regardless. theres literally nothing we can do about this so why worry?
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Anonymous ID: +IcAoDT1United States
7/22/2025, 9:45:14 PM No.511074466
>>511054310 (OP)
>fusion
Ah yes, time for yet another public consumption physics thread.
Energy gating from different dimensions is the future.
Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 9:50:09 PM No.511074847
>>511074324
Nah I don't think I will do all of that until mankind unfucks its shit. I'm going to boycott life until further notice.
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Anonymous ID: SMTOi+tYUnited States
7/22/2025, 10:02:10 PM No.511075815
>>511073902
When people donate their bodies to science they think of medical students at universities learning human anatomy. Most bodies end up being used for other purposes. It does eliminate funeral expenses for their families.
Anonymous ID: W439ke1UCanada
7/22/2025, 10:05:37 PM No.511076070
>>511074847
its like all the climate change shit anon, and look how thats fucked up the minds of so many kids brainwashed into that cult by schools - they want you worried all the time. constant stress caused by worry is more dangerous than anything they ever make a big deal about in the media.
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Anonymous ID: DyskeEyCBosnia and Herzegovina
7/22/2025, 10:10:45 PM No.511076459
>>511076070
That might be the case but I am still a turboautist unfit for procreation. I don't want anyone inheriting my shitty genes so no go on the family stuff. My shitty genes would never bring any benefit to mankind. But the rest about eating the best I can and carrying on regardless is OK.
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Anonymous ID: L8kq/27pUnited States
7/22/2025, 10:33:12 PM No.511078189
tokomaks are trash, aureon energy has better fusion but seg magnetics has a better energy device in general.
Anonymous ID: PXOt0piyUnited States
7/22/2025, 10:34:17 PM No.511078279
>>511054310 (OP)
fusion powered AI robowaifus that live for 10000 years
Anonymous ID: VTJq3qoMUnited States
7/22/2025, 10:35:15 PM No.511078352
>>511054698
I've never seen no plant grow out no damn toilet
Anonymous ID: PzJvGGZ5United States
7/22/2025, 10:35:33 PM No.511078378
>>511076459
>I don't want anyone inheriting my shitty genes so no go on the family stuff. My shitty genes would never bring any benefit to mankind
dont be like that
ever
you think that shit, and think it means youre out of the game. but you know who doesnt ever think like that? 75IQ shitskins. and theyre pumping em out like mad. theres zero way some autist, who actually thinks about the consequences of having a kid ahead of time, is worse than that.
absolutely no way
we always need more actual humans. we are in shockingly short supply when you look at the actual numbers