A neighbor down the road recently bought a Tesla and it fried underground wires and knocked out everyone's power for a day. They either trickle charge over DAYS, or they quick charge and suck up a fucking MEGAWATT of power. The grid simply isn't designed to handle that.

>>511092568 (OP)
Being able to avoid driving to the gas pumps and charge your car at home sounds really cool.

>>511092568 (OP)
you need to get your bottom surgery

>>511092897
You know what else sounds really cool? Not being stuck on the west coast forever.

>>511093103
You do you, but I like having access to both beaches and mountains.

>>511092897
It's fine for daily commutes, but makes road trips impossible. Also, you can't park somewhere in winter if you live in a cold area, because the battery will be dead when you come back out of the store.

>>511092568 (OP)

All ev you nigger can buy made in China.

>>511092568 (OP)

>>511093289
50% tariff rmao, ror!

>>511092568 (OP)
Federal government will start to charge $250 a year for EV registration.

>>511092568 (OP)
>you literally save more money driving electric in (((california)))

>>511092568 (OP)
that would cut into my oil profits goy best to leave these decisions to g*ds chosen.

>>511092860
fucking kill yourself big oil shill

>>511092568 (OP)
>charging 160,000 mah car battery daily only costs you +$28 per month on your electric bill
Yeah fucking bullshit. A window air conditioner unit costs twice that to run per month.

>>511092568 (OP)
>less than 100 dollars a month will make you broke
Kek. Do mutts really?

>>511092860
well said schlomo. us jews should be the only ones driving electric vehicles otherwise the electric grid might collapse.

>>511093266
the battery doesnt die
it plain stops working below X temp
it loses a 1/3 of efficency if its just warm enough

>>511093777
thats from charging at quick charge stations

>>511093777
its around 110 extra a month with moderate daily usage.

>>511092568 (OP)
Electric cars are based for so many reasons, yet right-wing Americans oppose them only because the left supports them.

>>511092568 (OP)
not that they aren't putting that in new gas cars but all electric cars spy on everything in and around them constantly

>>511093266
another big oil shill.
EV charging stations are EVERYWHERE now.
faggot big oil boomer still living in the 1980s.

>>511093829
more big oil shill retardation and just outright lies

the SLATE EV is coming out Dec 2026.
you're going to see a LOT of them on the road and everyone driving them ISNT FUNDING BIG OIL.

>>511092860
>the grid isn't designed for that

it wasn't designed for the ICE revolution either but we made it happen. oil is too precious we should be conserving it. who knows what we will need it for in the future. also, why the fuck can't we make more ourselves?

>>511093908
Oh, so they're relying on free charging from Tesla. Cool, so it's complete bullshit. And they aren't mentioning the coal and natural gas that electricity comes from.

>>511093943
That sounds more like it.

>>511092568 (OP)
>the government and musk can turn off my car remotely
lol no thanks

>>511092568 (OP)
lol fag the dem transportation bill puts a huge road use fee on electric cars

>>511092897
Being able to fix my own combustion engine vehicle sound pretty cool too. and not having my truck revolve around a I-pad embedded in my dashboard that needs to contact the mothership for software updates.

>>511094133
They can do that with modern gas vehicles as well

>>511094235
>implying I don't drive a 17 year old shitbox

>>511094022
they make kerosene from air in switzerland

>>511094150
OR HB2025
+$0.12/gal gas tax
+$200 title fees
+2.5% "privilege tax" on new vehicles
+something idgaf about EV use/mile fee
+DEI+++ department at ODOT
+300k jeets
fuck i need to get out of here

>>511092568 (OP)
Wow a picture that anyone could make in photoshop. It must be true

>>511092568 (OP)
If it really saves money then it’s a self correcting problem. Hopefully the EV battery lasts long enough to actually make use of 600 bucks a year on savings before it needs replacing.

>>511092568 (OP)
camry 2025 50mpg full tank will get you 500 miles
/thread
you faggot

ive already reserved one of the SLATE EV's with the SUV package and the 250 mile extended battery.
theres a 1100w solar roof kit you can buy for just $2k add to that another solar generator in the trunk for $3500 and i can generate about 25 miles of EV range in good sun conditions.
im never paying for gasoline again. im sick of big oil and the endless oil wars.
most of the anti-ev things u read online are just propaganda by big oil to prevent ppl from buying EV's
bc once u own an ev, u are no longer a customer of big oil and that terrifies them.

i only drive about 50 miles a week as it is and with a solar package and recharge station inside my SLATE EV i'll never have to dip into grid power for the lifetime of the vehicle.
SLATES are designed with about 500 parts as opposed to 3500 parts in a traditional gasoline vehicle.
they are easy to work on and have a DIY academy to where u can work on your SLATE all by yourself.
they are about -80% less costly a year to maintain as opposed to gasoline vehicles.

>inb4 seething retarded big oil shills hahaha

Give me a 20,000 dollar electric car and I'll buy one. Otherwise fuck off.

>>511094587
thank you for shilling bezos battery fire chink shitbox. You are one penny richer

>>511094022
You could say the same about coal and natural gas.

>>511092568 (OP)
I saw a special Massachusetts Licence Plate that said 'Electric Vehicle' attached to a Tesla today. They should make ones for every possible power source or engine type.

Diesel, Wankel, Turbine, Flywheel, lol even Wood.

>>511094627
$20k is the starting off ask price for a SLATE EV truck without the rebates.

>>511094649
fucking kill yourself big oil cuuck

>>511093266
I drove 800 miles in one day for a family issue, then I drove back the next day

EV tech is inferior, cannot do that

Spies on you too, and it's an awful fire danger

Pure garbage for faggots

>>511093377
Is that just an ICE engine? What am I missing here?

>>511093663
Not really. Electricity is expensive as fuck in CA. So is gas, but it's kind of a wash. On the other hand... CA: 30.55/kWh, OR: 14.12/kWh, WA: 11.83/kWh. Hydro carries viability of EVs in the PNW on its back.

>>511094587
You're a penniless shitjeet sitting at a click farm in mumbai and nothing you type here is going to change that fact.

>>511094587
You're still supporting big oil because that car is probably made mostly from oil based plastics goy.

>>511094681
Picrel

>>511094769
fucking kill yourself retarded baiting bruce.

>>511094587
Buy an ad faggot

>>511094768
cry about it faggot, i'll never pay big oil a single dollar again for the rest of my life.
god bless SLATE EV trucks

>>511094751
That’s not an engine, it is a fuel pump for a diesel engine.

>>511094587
You drive 50 miles a week? That's just over 7 miles a day. That's 3.5 miles one way. That's roughly an hour and ten minutes of walking. You're telling me you get your groceries, go to work, and grab everything you need in a 3.5 mile radius with only a single trip per day? Lolno. Enjoy your extremely high maintenance cost you retard homebody.

>>511094807
Fucking lol. Also you bought objectively the worst EV ever and also from the worst company. Those solar panals are a meme that will fail after 2 years probably when some rock flings at you and breaks them on the freeway.

>>511094856
kill yourself big oil cuck this is an EV thread.
not my fault u are too fucking retarded to understand solar energy and self reliant transportation of the future.

>>511092897
The coolest part is when my EV starts breaking down, I can just launch that bitch into the ocean. It's so much less effort than throwing in used car batteries one at a time. I could probably triple my pollution rates over my lifetime.
Thanks Obama!

EV grift is so stupid
>hey guys lets stop putting carbon emission in the air
>ok lets use electricity instead
>ok where does the power come from
>fossil fuels
>ummm ok how are the minerals extracted
>with machines that use diesel
EVs are a scheme to convert gasoline emission into diesel

>>511094958
He's shilling an Amazon EV. Probably one of those people who orders food delivery 4x a day.

>>511093978
That's one of my points i try to tell everyone about, even new gas vehicles have this retarded touchscreen-wifi updating computer shit in them. i think it was Ford who just got sued because they could track your weight, times you drive, weight of your passenger, your route, everything and somehow that was in the fine print of your "user agreement" to start the fucking car. they sold this info to data brokers.
and that was a gas vehicle imagine the shit a fully electric vehicle needs to record. fuck that

>>511092568 (OP)
Oregon retards already destroyed all the Tesla's now there complaining about prices

>>511095069
literal big oil retard posting.
embarrassing.

>ITT lots of boomer retards who cant into solar energy and recharging EV's themselves
and u wonder why ur so poor and everyone laughs at you!
bet u even voted for that pedophile Trump!
AHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>511092568 (OP)
>Burn fossil fuels to spin turbine to power charging station
>Burn fossil fuels to power your car.
I like the option that doesn't make me reliant on the grid. Let me know when I can carry charging kits like jerry cans until then take your new age hippy faggot car and shove it up your ass.

>>511095155
Gonna record you dilating while driving.

>>511095175
what machines are used to mine for the resources used in solar panels?

>>511092860
>The grid simply isn't designed to handle that.
No it is not. Imagine if every house had a Tesla, or two. They would need to install transformer in front of every house. We are going to be building expensive new infrastructure just to abandon existing infrastructure that is working perfectly fine. What about all of the energy and resources that were expended to build a gas station on every corner. We are just throwing it away. Very wasteful. This isn’t progress, it is just busy work with no gain other that stuffing the pockets of the politicians’ cronies. Very dumb.

>511095175
It's sad that there are retards so desperate for (You)s they type this garbage daily.

>>511092568 (OP)
Until they raise the prices of electric pumps or whatever the fuck they are. Fuck whatever is pushing to be the new dominant monopoly of the world.

>>511093241
You actually don't have access to either because you're a low IQ, brown, sloth-faced muttroon. You have neither the brain stability, nor the driving skill, to transport yourself to a local vet clinic to be euthanized, much less to a mountain or beach. Your best bet is to simply tilt your head back and allow yourself to choke to death on your own saliva.

>>511095069
In defense of EVs, even if I don't think they're a viable replacement for ICE: if there's an improvement in generation efficiency or something like that, you can upgrade power plants or bring some new ones online. It's more flexible than waiting for every vehicle on the road to upgrade.
Or it would be, if the grid could handle the load. Which it can't. Which is one of the reasons any EV mandate is beyond retarded.

>>511092568 (OP)
Carbon taxes. NOW!!!

>>511095286
not my fault ur tech illiterate and dont understand the simplicity of how solar farms and that you are energy grid dependent and addicted to big oil (like u are with cocks up your ass u massive embarrassing faggot)

>>511092860
Why are gas cucks so retarded? It drains no more than what can come through a standard outlet. If the underground wires fried from the equivalent of running a blender then it sounds like the EV chad did you a favor and exposed how your third world neighborhood needs to be upgraded

>>511095069
i think more than half of all the Cobalt mined in the world comes from the DRC in Africa, and its mined by African peasants with pick-axes. probably types of slavery.
every modern battery in these cars needs cobalt.

>>511095286
not my fault ur tech illiterate and dont understand the simplicity of how solar farms work and that you are energy grid dependent and addicted to big oil (like u are with cocks up your ass u massive embarrassing faggot)

>511095393
He's still trying

>>511093103
>You know what else sounds really cool? Not being stuck on the west coast forever.

>>511094751
Mechanical pump for diesels, pretty close to engines desu.

>>511095069
EVs do have higher emissions than ICE cars, but it's not because of the power generation - which is significantly cleaner.

Most of the emissions from modern cars don't come from the exhaust, they actually come from the brakes and tyres. EVs are significantly heavier and often have more torque, so they go through tyres a lot faster. Brakes can kind of go either way because of regenerative braking, but EVs generally go through them faster too.

>>511093771
>>511093801
>>511093980
lmao!
>>511094022
ICE has nothing to do with the electrical grid imbecile

>>511092568 (OP)

Funny how the gas one is a proper sedan while the electric's just a 3-door hatch.

>>511095414
>It drains no more than what can come through a standard outlet.
This is totally false fool. You can trickle charge your EV at 1500 watts for 3 days, sure. But if you need a quicker charge, it sucks huge power.

>>511092568 (OP)
We would have hydrogen engines if California hadn't mandated electric car development

WE NEED A BIG ANTHRO WOMEN MANDATE ASAP

>>511092568 (OP)
If you drive a goymobile you are a faggot. You might as well go all the way and go vegan, listen to stop clap hay, wear flannel and skinny jeans with piercings and beanie, and worship niggers. Go big or go home, gaylords.

>>511092860
no one invests in power anymore. All the power co-ops and privately owned power stations work in a big group together to fix the price of electricity. They dont want to build new ones because that lowers profit, they dont even want to maintain the ones they got.

>>511095368
The other issue is mining. You cannot run mining equipment off of anything but diesel fuel. There is nothing better
>>511095477
That's clearly not true. You can't power modern industry off of retards with hand tools.
>>511095564
The power generation is only significantly cleaner if it's nuclear.

>>511095226
That's my right as an American to do whatever i want in my own vehicle. i know your Aus so idk about you but in some states a vehicle is an extension of your home over here, my computer and phone spy on me enough now my car is gonna watch me jacking off too?

>>511095635
read the thread illiterate nigger.
im proposing SELF RECHARGING via solar systems.
we live in an age in 2025 (not 1980 where u are still living) where the avg person for about $12k can become their own power station via solar energy.
ik this concept may be too complicated for a nigger like u to understand but maybe Grok can teach you the basics, you embarrassing faggot.

also, there is a huge push for nuclear powerplants being built right now. mostly because the future is EV's (cry about it dumbass big oil shill)

>>511095840
>They dont want to build new ones because that lowers profit,
No they really want to build new ones but the government regulations are insane and it takes half a decade to get through it.

>>511095829
If I had a two-car garage I'd have a big diesel minivan and a little electric hatch. You can get them really cheaply second-hand, and they're honestly perfect for quick trips to the shops. You don't need more than 50km of range if you're only putting around town.

>>511092568 (OP)
>save $600 per year
>battery degrades in 5 years
>$10k+ to replace battery
Yes, goyim, buy the electric car to save money!

>>511095858
Anon, we are the exact same in that regard, we too have shit public transport so have to drive everywhere. Or the public transport we do have has niggers so its not safe.

>>511095731
>But if you need a quicker charge, it sucks huge power.
Oh I forgot all EVs have the magical "pull more energy out of a wall than they are physically capable of" feature. Make sure you offer to suck that man's cock for exposing how fucked your neighborhood's electrical wiring was. Imagine if someone ran an AC unit

>>511095886
Okay, so lets say you have a normal size house in a sunny area. That gives you roof space for maybe 10-15,000 watts of solar. And that number is during PEAK hours from say 10am-3pm. 5 hours at 10,000 watts is 50kwh...which charges the battery of an EV 20% or so.

Why are you so angry though? There's no need to be this upset unless I'm insulting your religion or something...am I?

>>511095939
>I would pay two car regos when one fills the purpose the other one will
Why?

Lol glorified golf carts

>>511096036
We're talking about a regular outlet, as you said...and now you bring up sucking dick for some reason. Why gay sex talk anon? Why?

>>511095962
not even remotely true big oil faggot
battery bank entropy is about 2%/yr impacting your total EV mile charge.
if your battery bank is rated for 250 miles of range then in 10 years or 100,000 miles which ever happens first you are still sitting on a battery bank that can charge to 200 miles of EV range capacity (you dont really need to buy a new battey bank u just need to recharge a little bit more often, jackass big oil shill)

Or you can buy a cheap car on Craigslist, pay very little to ensure it, and drive it into the ground. I will fucking go full mad Max before I drive an electric cuckmobile

>>511096184
You need to calm down and stop being so agitated.

>>511096063
im not here to educate anyone im only here to BTFO the faggot ass big oil shills that shit up every single EV thread on this board.
they're all fucking faggot ass niggerbikes that have no right to exist

>>511094022
>ICE
>When talking about the electrical grid
Your bot is broken, shill

>>511096252
See >>511096219 Stop being a massive cunt.

>>511096252
Jesus you're seething. This isn't healthy.

BIG OIL EMBARRASSING FAGGOT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>BIG OIL EMBARRASSING FAGGOT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
BIG OIL EMBARRASSING FAGGOT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>BIG OIL EMBARRASSING FAGGOT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
BIG OIL EMBARRASSING FAGGOT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>BIG OIL EMBARRASSING FAGGOT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>511092568 (OP)
Niggers... one year could cost you...

>>511095854
>The power generation is only significantly cleaner if it's nuclear
No, that's not true at all. Efficiency generally scales with size, so a bigger plant is just better (from that specific perspective) than local generation. The best way to reduce emissions is to increase efficiency, but bigger plants also have the resources to do much more filtering and emissions control than an engine that needs to fit inside a car.

This is the same reason why your house probably connects to the electric grid rather than using a local petrol generator. If you have the option, it's just better.
Electric cars have significant problems, but this isn't really one of them.

>>511096064
I mean if I needed (and had space for) two cars.

>>511096252
Didnt btfo me. I didnt even tell you about the horrific winter problems.

>>511096306
He just keeps spiraling lmao>>511096354

>>511096128
>We're talking about a regular outlet, as you said
Right, which have limits for how much energy can be pulled out of them.
>and now you bring up sucking dick for some reason. Why gay sex talk anon? Why?
A special man in your neighborhood deserves to have his balls emptied down your useless throat because he provided a service to gas cucks like yourself. If you have an ugly wife I'm sure should can take your place

>We need an Electric Car mandate ASAP
It was cancelled, and people cannot afford disposable cars.

>>511092568 (OP)
Just need to drive that electric car for a few decades and i'll break even.

>>511096381
Tesla has the winter problem because they are the worst EV's u can even buy.
The majority of EV options on the market have solved that problem.
Driving an EV in general isnt really ideal unless you are living inside of the sunbelt on this planet and can use solar to recharge the EV yourself (a very basic task that even niggers in literal africa are now doing, u have no excuse).

If i was living in that 3rd world indian shithole called Canada i probably wouldnt drive an EV there because I'd be focused on moving to an actual country instead of some meme colony that 90% of the population lives ON THE US BORDER.
kys faggot leaf

>>511096213
It's not about costs, its about control. Just Stop Oil is the most annoying marxist group in the world. I hate them, I hate them so much.

>>511096413
>Right, which have limits for how much energy can be pulled out of them.
Yes, that's what I said. And now you're talking even moar about homosexual sex acts and raging. Do you normally think about gay sex when you're angry?

>>511092568 (OP)
Yeah because gas has tax placed on it to pay for the roads. Electricity for cars will end up costing the same when there's too few gas cars on the road to pay for upkeep.

>>511095854
Im not gonna spoon feed you knowledge, i had to look it up too, 70% of Cobalt comes from DRC, do you think, i had to look it up, drc, 100 mil population, average income $400 a year? you think these fuckers are not running around barefoot in open pit mines?

just look up cobalt mining in DRC, you will find many articles and podcast about "artisanal" miners, and these are these are subjects written by people who WANT electric vehicles.
and modern industry was created by retards with hand tools.

demonrats are such useless scumbags. they hold a super majority in the statehouse and the republicucks even showed up for quorum so they couldve passed any assrape tax and spend bill they wanted but fucking got infighting over petty shit and how bloated odot should be and didnt pass anything. now therell be a special session where they can enact total cereal emergency tax bullshit to make this shitlib utopia even less welcoming to the average hillbilly

>>511096554
Notice how you tell everyone in the thread to kys? This isn't a healthy mental state to be in anon. It's bad for you physically too.

>>511096036
His neighbor should be investigated and forced to pay for all the repairs to the neighborhood electrical wiring including overtime pay, plus tip.

>>511096668
anyone unable to see thru the propaganda and lies of big oil does not have critical thinking capabilities and should literally kill themselves bc they are clearly too stupid to be trusted making any life decisions on this planet.
>you are probably a fucking vaxxoid (lel)

>>511096624
So what? Lithium mines, colbalt mines its all the same, some brownoids dying from lung disease at the age of 25 to support EV is none of my concern.

>>511092568 (OP)
no, "we" don't. fuck you bitch.

>>511096704
textbook big oil propaganda.
sad and predictably posted by a canadian pajeet paid shill

>>511092860
>a fucking MEGAWATT of power.
The fuck are you talking about? The most current teslas cap at well below 500kw under ideal unrealistic circumstances and only for about a minute before the curve drops off. And that's only at DC supercharger stations. At any sort of charger you can get installed in a home you're barely going to see a hair above 10kw draw max.

>>511096751
of course a faggot german simp is big oil propaganda posting
youre an embarrassment to the entire human race

>>511096831
telling smart women how many megawatts of power i generate myself annually always gets me laid.
cry about it incel chud

>>511092568 (OP)
Hybrid focus would have been a better idea
>No need to rebuild entire infrastructure
>Don't need massive, expensive batteries
>Already exist, just subsidize them further
>No added stress on energy grid
Have 9 cars that get 50 miles to the gallon and 1 that gets 20 miles to the gallon is better than 1 car that doesn't use gas and 9 cars that get 30 miles to the gallon on average. If your local grid is powered by natural gas for all intents and purposes your car is powered by natural gas and isn't green.

>>511096554
That wasnt the math I did about your retarded commute, and they absolutely havent solved the problem. Have fun in -30 when your battery leeches capacity, dies extremely quickly for a variety of reasons, and you're stuck in the snowy abyss.

>>511092860
What happens when everyone turns on their electric stoves at the same time on that street? I can't imagine that charging a battery draws more current than something like a heavy duty welder and they don't normally kill the power.

>>511096739
It's not normal to be this angry is all I'm saying.
>>511096831
I wasn't talking about the cap, but the requirement to charge a full battery quickly. If you need to charge 200kwh, that would require 1 megawatt to do in 12.5min. Or 25min to do at 500kw. You can fill up a gas tank is a couple min. This is the issue I'm referring to: either slow charge over a long period of time, or create a huge demand spike that strains the grid.

>>511097028
They don't want that, there is no compromise, no middle ground with them. You are lucky they even want electric cars because they don't even want that, they want buses and trains.

>>511094857
So where will the power to charge your $30,000 electric shitbox gonna come from?

>>511097109
Ever use a 3 phase power at home? it can draw so much power it can make lights dim around you lol.

Either way, its just more load for the system to take anyway, but dats the way things are anon. We gonna have blackouts soon enough.

>>511095979
i was not aware Aus had a buncha niggers, i know abos but not the same in my opinion. i have never rode on a bus or train or subway in my life.
i worked my first paycheck job at Mcdonalds, used a bike to get there, when i was a kid, i think yall call it Maccas or something, and i saved money to buy a truck, and i have never used public transportation since then, and btw, i have never been scared or wary of niggers, they should be afraid of me. im always ready to escalate and DIE tommorow and i know how nigger brains work, i live around them, im always ready to turn every day into the apocalypses i have nothing to lose, i have less to lose than the most scheming faggot nigger that has ever walked the earth.
i dont go on public transporting and those bitches should be thankful i dont

>>511096925
cringe
>>511097109
electric stoves draw 1500-2000 watts. charging a car battery can use over 20x that or more. You either slow charge it over more than a day, or you create a huge demand spike.

>>511097259
We got a bunch from sudan. Anyway my first job was at KFC but I walked there from highschool. Maccas is just a nickname here form mcdonalds. I also drive a pickup, holden colarado, rebadged chevvy colarado.

>>511097234
3 phase is more efficient than normal household power, retard. Read up on it before you run your mouth you dumb fucking idiot

>>511096583
>Yes, that's what I said.
No, you said EVs can magically suck a huge amount of power all at once. Which they cannot. No more than an outlet would allow.
>And now you're talking even moar about homosexual sex acts and raging. Do you normally think about gay sex when you're angry?
Who is angry? All I said was you should suck that guys cock? Nothing angry about that. Do you have anything new to add? Or is it more "umm uhh I thought this was a safe space for republican election tourists"? as I keep blowing your argument out like you should be doing to that EV owners cock?

>>511097424
The other anon was talking about using one for a welder which draws a lot of power very quickly goy.

>>511097109
At maximum charge speed a Tesla can suck a bit more than some welding machines.

But the issue is charging becomes equivalent to every home running a welder nonstop in the afternoon. Possibly even two.

>>511093241
Consider New England. Eastern Connecticut has a ton of affordable coastal towns (and yes, they are good neighborhoods), and Maine is basically a secret Washington that we try to keep hidden from westoids.

im so sick and tired of Elon Musk being the "face of Electric Vehicles" its just unreal
he is the biggest and most annoying faggot in the entire universe

>>511092568 (OP)
There are advantages. I could see having one for grocery runs. But batteries are toooo expensive.

If my Ford's alternator fails, or the 12V battery, I can buy aftermarket parts. If my Tesla battery fails, why can't I get an aftermarket battery shaped to fit in the Tesla, for say $3000 rather than $15000 from Tesla?

If there were an aftermarket in batteries, EV's might make some sense.

>>511096875
Fuck you electric jews. Combustion engines are superior in every way.

>>511097234
>Ever use a 3 phase power at home?
Not at my house. It should be separate unless you're running a 240v phase converter or some shit. I don't know if the lights dim when I'm welding because I'm generally not looking at them but I have seen it happen before.
>>511097287
Isn't there already a shit ton of regulating bodies for approving appliances and shit connecting to the grid? Why would they allow shit that draws more current than the grid can handle?

>>511097606
Well you bring up a point, if the batteries were interchangable then an EV could run forever until the car falls apart.

>>511096744
Pretend you are a smart White man, look up the difference between 2 different elements, look up (LI)3 lithium, then look up (CO)86 cobalt. you will find the they are very different in the ores they are mined from, the process of harvesting them and even the geography and industry, its honestly fascinating.
Im a chemist, and you just saying, o wow its all the same, makes me want to call you a brown or black person or a disgraceful white, because that's how they think, you should try to learn more, seriously a Chinese person would maybe have more nuisance and funnier jokes

>>511097517
He said "heavy duty welder" and you brought up 3 phase power, which is a type of power generally only available in commercial/industrial areas due to it being more efficient for 3 phase motors. It isnt generally in residential applications. You dont know what youre talking about.

>>511097109
In many places, if everyone on the street turned on their electric stoves and ovens and washers and dryers on at the same time, the system would fail. The system was designed based on the bet that this would not happen. On the rare occasions that it does happen, emergency crews are deployed to do repairs. This is cheaper than buiding a more robust system that is more fail proof.

>>511096925
tits or gtfo retarded fish hole

>>511097758
Nah here they have them in some garages at houses.

>>511097752
You missed the point of my post. You're virtue signaling about niggers, I said I don't give a fuck. That was the point.

>>511092568 (OP)
How long would it take you to break even when an EV costs you like 20k more than an sedan?

>>511097919
>20k more
where is this coming from? I see used EVs for around $10k on Carvana

>>511097758
>You dont know what youre talking about.
Heavy duty welders require 3 phase outlets to run.

It's also how electricity is delivered only being separated to single phase by the connection to your house. It's very common for home welders to have a triple phase outlet as a result

>>511097885
I said generally, and youre full of shit. Go shitpost in /b with your fictional bs

>>511098047
See >>511098029

>>511097109
Britian had a power outage when everyone at the same time made a cup of tea after a devastating football game. And those draw like what, 3 kw or something? It was like 30 years ago though so we can maybe hope our grids are better suited for that.

>>511098029
Maybe in new zealand; here it's a specific feature of commercial buildings, and generally a selling point.

>>511097691
You show an advantage of EV's in your picrel. Coal can be burned to produce electricity. Or nuclear power, or natgas in combined cycle gas turbines, or even oil fired "peakers" that are much more efficient than your tiny "monster V8 under the hood" that you carry around with you in your car.

A car engine is tiny, light, and very inefficient in converting fuel to usable energy. A proper generating station attached to the electric grid is many times better.

>>511095840
Don’t go shit talking the electric co-op nigger go down and vote about it

Also, the electrical grid is a nightmare, power has to be produced at-demand with zero buffer and zero storage and everyone is connected to everyone else, so everyone’s constantly selling electricity to each other in real time. It’s the most fucking absurd utility of all time.

>>511097423
Nice, i hope your doing good Aus anon, we actually do have close to same story.
gotta ask. so i was only white guy at my first Mcds job? what was the racials of your KFC job?
also i always wanted to go on a long outback truck ride on those road-train trucks but i now assume id have to hang out with a possible-gay-rapist trucker, seems like long haul truckers over here are fucking serial killers, just wanted to see all that outback desert shit

>>511098047
>youre full of shit
He isn't, triple phase is common as fuck for home welders.

And you will not get a working high amperage weld without triple phase. So it's still a moot point.

>>511098029
3 phase welders are a very small minority of welders. Most are single phase.

>>511097982
Used. EV's take a huge depreciation hit when you drive them off the lot. Everyone thinks the battery is about to expire, on any used EV.

Buying a used EV can probably be a good idea.

>>511098199
Mostly non whites working at that KFC I was at but that was a long time ago. Those road trains probably are driven by serial killers/rapists here as well anon.

>>511097704
>Not at my house. It should be separate unless you're running a 240v phase converter or some shit. I don't know if the lights dim when I'm welding because I'm generally not looking at them but I have seen it happen before.

im a power systems engineer, i placed a trouble call into my utility because i had bad flickering of my lights, i thought it was the distribution feeder regulator taps going bad at the substation

turns out the neighbor was welding a bunch of shit for weeks. every time he struck an arc it would dip my mains voltage. had buddy put in a job order to upgrade the transformer because homie connections

>>511098156
I mean it's typically the same here, there's just no issue with triple phase outlets being installed so someone can run a welder. Which will not weld on single phase due to the draw.

>>511097155
>I wasn't talking about the cap, but the requirement to charge a full battery quickly.
Sure, but people aren't supposed to be using fast charging as their primary method of charging their cars. If people are trickle charging their cars whenever it's sitting at home or in a parking spot at work for hours at a time the only time they'll ever need to fast charge is during long distance travel and 99.9% of drivers on a given day aren't going more than 20 miles in a single hop. The main issue is people buying electric cars when it's not appropriate for their living situation. If you're in the middle of the city living in a kike owned run down apartment with zero parking and zero amenities and you're relying on street parking wherever you can find it and fast charging for all your charging, you probably should have just bought a hybrid or used gas car. It's no different in principle to someone who lives in Milan Italy buying a crew cab long bed king ranch and decrying the consequences. You have to work around local constraints.

Just like as that leaf alluded to earlier you probably wouldn't want to run an electric car in moderately cold regions because of the wasted energy associated with keeping your batteries at temp. Ironically once you get into extremely cold areas like north alaska and siberia electric cars are back on the table again because even ice cars begin to require specific handling and upkeep to not strand and kill their drivers. Block heaters, insulative blankets if parked short term, radiator blocks/bypasses, straight running it at a high idle under a blanket whenever unused because the thaw out procedure could take days etc. Once you're in those conditions the requirement of keeping that shit plugged in whenever you aren't driving it and it using resistive heating to keep the packs and motors warm isn't such an outrageous burden anymore.

>>511092568 (OP)
k, now tell me the price of a good financed sedan (petrol) vs electric

When they develop solar paint that can charge the battery year round I'm in.

>>511098225
>Most are single phase.
Home welding machines.

And the subject was still for heavy duty machines. Which are all triple phase.

>>511098156
Most places you can get "small" 3ph installed wherever you want to pay for it. NA power infrastructure is uniquely shit in the developed world, that's why 3ph installations are prohibitive and why half a street having EVs is going to cause major fucking problems.

>>511097606
Trump should mandate all EVs have modular batteries, i actually listen to NPR and allot of i guess you could say "Leftist, environmentalist, anti-capilist, or anti-billionaire etc" media and i have not heard anyone advocate for modular design.
Guess what ima do tomorow, or really ima right this down, i actually wont do anything, but all electric vehicles should comply with an American standard. fully interchangeable with every other vehicle. i wish Trump was smart he could push that.

>>511097470
>No, you said EVs can magically suck a huge amount of power all at once.
No I didn't say that at all. You're still just not getting it.
>Who is angry?
(You), and also aroused by gay sex talk.
>>511097704
>Why would they allow shit that draws more current than the grid can handle?
The grid CAN handle if if the number of EVs is below a certain % threshold. Same as how niggers will behave if they're below a certain % of the population. Once you go over that, everything goes to hell.

>>511098423
solar paint is about 10y+ from being fully on the market and ready for solar systems.
it will change everything since its about 300%+ more efficient than current solar panels are.
aluminum ion deep capacity batteries are also in the works with about 6 factories producing them right now they have about a 100,000%+ longer lifespan than lithium ion does and degrade about 1% after 10,000 recharging cycles in lab testing.

>big oil fags cant do anything to stop the EV and solar revolution of transportation

>>511098577
they probably don't want you (service people or home mechanics) dicking around with that because you will blow yourself up and burn your house down

also the car batteries have BMS systems and a lot of other proprietary stuff engineered to each car

>>511096184
Then why are there so many stories of electric car owners complaining of their cars range dropping in half just a few years after purchase?

>>511092568 (OP)
Now how much does the car depreciate from the dying battery in one year?

Electric batteries last 7-10 years and cost a minimum of $20,000 for the shittiest smallest ones to replace.

>>511098629
>Same as how niggers will behave if they're below a certain % of the population. Once you go over that, everything goes to hell.
The electric field magnified, killed 500 nigger!

>>511098720
Not even that, if you cannot sell it for whatever reason, normal wrecking yards won't take them because of thet fire risk involved, so I imagine disposal is costly.

>>511098707
Because Elon Musk is a scamming fucking niggerfaggot. Tesla's are the worst EV's ever made. Its so bad he transitioned his whole company into robotics since his car division has essentially failed. Most vandalized cars ever made on a globlal scale btw. Every EV horror story you've ever heard is either about Tesla or is big oil propaganda. You never hear owner horror stories about Rivian EV's or many others. It's always fucking Teslas.

>>511092568 (OP)
A mandate is in effect for all EV owners to tongue my anus.

>>511092568 (OP)
>mandate
fuck off

>>511097885
i fully comprehended what you said, YOUR ARE RIGHT, everything you said is right, you won, im a dumbass. you made me look like a retard you happy?
ok now go look up the difference in mining lithium compared to mining cobalt.
then when you don't do that, just come back and call me a fag or something

>>511092568 (OP)
here's your mandate:
nobody should have electric cars

>>511098858
all i hear is stupid shit from plebs like you with zero experience in this field who think you know jack shit about anything, while listening to paid marketing companies feeding your opinion off grafted tax money to keep this green scam going, idiot

>mfw going to move to oregon next year and trying to decide whether to buy a used EV before $4000 rebate goes away in september or go regular gas.

>>511098858
>It's always fucking Teslas.
Not defending elon musk here, but thats probably because his company has sold the most EV's that you see out on the road today compared to any other EV which costs more or the same.

But don't worry I'm sure his robotaxi idea will bare fruit...

>>511098979
oh another big oil faggot shill is mad!

AHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>511094751
>ICE engine
are you the type of idiot that says "PIN number"?

>>511098437
>truck battery
>jumper cables
>wire coathanger

how is the electricity generated?
hard mode: no coping

>>511098989
I mean if you're not financing get electric and wait for inflation to net you a profit with the $4k taken off.

>>511099083
They are going for pretty cheap right now, 15-19k with EV credit (+tax/docs). Alternatively i was thinking of getting an FX35 (I had a g35 a long time ago), which has a crapton of power, and throwing some offroad tires on it.

>>511099021
And yet, I made you look like a dumbass. Twice. Am I being paid by big oil?

>>511098577
The automotive industry is the latest industry to adopt “intellectual property” to safeguard its monopoly. I’m sure the Tesla battery is patented.

>>511099073
Me and a German anon had a decent discussion about having ground vehicles be powered like trains
Diesel electric traction engines
Doesn't have to be diesel, but have a small engine spin a generator and have that power an electric motor - one on each wheel.
You don't need solid axles either.
I could get behind that, and no giant disgusting lithium batteries or huge toxic leach fields

>>511098361
Do you know how much the mains voltage dropped? I have an outlet that tells me the voltage. A couple months ago when I first got the gadget it was around 125V consistently. Now it's been around 115V. Maybe the power company is cutting back, or getting overloaded.

>>511092568 (OP)
idk my first car was a ‘72 Plymouth valiant in 2005 and I rebuilt the whole fucking thing over two years

I love my tesla, best car ever made.

It has no;

>spark plugs
>engine coolant
>engine oil
>timing belt
>headgasket
>piston rings
>rods
>distributor caps
>starter
>valve stems
>lifters
>air intake
>manifold
>clutch
>muffler


basically everything I hated fixing about cars, e-cars have none of it.

I was kind of done with ICE in general when I put a Chevy Lumina engine into a Beretta because they’re exactly the same.

Also Fuck Ford and their whole lineup. A Navigator is identical to an Explorer which is identical to a Mercury Mariner save for logo switch-outs and bullshit options that breaks after 6 months

>>511099021
that's all you can come up with after i shove your foot in your mouth, as expected. you dipshit clowns have no business anywhere near public energy policy, it should be left to us

the fiscal damage you fucktards did already is inexcusable

>>511099253
thats the best part about SOME EV's is the less parts to worry about fixing.
most ICE cars have about 3000+ pars to worry about breaking down
while an extremely basic EV like the SLATE only has 500 parts to worry about and was engineered from the start for owner self servicing of everything.

where Tesla has failed, SLATE will succeed.

>>511099044
Will not help you weld anything thicker than 2mm with any strength. A regular single phase power source should be fine for 5mm for stainless/steel in NZ.

Not to mention people will weld Aluminium at home. I've had a job where we've had to get a converter for single phase to triple because we couldn't get a weld onto 4mm aluminum on site. Not to mention stressing a single phase machine with a bad duty cycle (time it cuts out under heavy load to not fry the machine) is just unpopular.

>>511098629
>No I didn't say that at all.
Yes you did
A neighbor down the road recently bought a Tesla and it fried underground wires and knocked out everyone's power for a day. They either trickle charge over DAYS, or they quick charge and suck up a fucking MEGAWATT of power. The grid simply isn't designed to handle that.
>(You), and also aroused by gay sex talk.
Man that triggered the fuck out of you lol. Not like /r/thedonald huh?
Just submit to your more helpful neighbor anon and stop talking about topics you were told were bad

>>511092568 (OP)
I'll accept EVs when we stop sucking oil lobbyist cock and actually build nuclear facilities

of course pol hates electric vehicles
y'all can't even afford them! "top kek"!

>>511099376
My guy, I was fucking with you.
I watched a nigger in Central America try to weld with that - truck battery, shitty jumper cables and a straightened out coathanger and using a pair of sunglasses for eye protection
The battery exploded
It was hilarious
I know you need three phase
I gas weld and stick weld

>>511098357
Anon i really liked you but your pissing me off, mostly non whites at the KFC? what does that mean? Asians? blacks? fucking Indians?
i told you a simple fact i was the only white kid and everyone else at that job was black, no mexicans, no asians, nobody but blacks, and guess what, they where all cool. i didnt have a single problem or dislike any of em, like 20 or 30 of em.
i got another story about how i was the only white guy with 50 GYPSy nieghbors here in us, nobody even here can relate, anyway go be a coold dude in aus i bet thats fun

>>511098704
Modular / interchangeable would be great, but I just want aftermarket replacements for each car. Even in a normal car, I have to buy the alternator to fit my car even though electrically they all do the same thing. So make LiFePO4 batteries shaped like different model Tesla batteries, and the other EV batteries. Buy the one that fits your car, replace them the same way Tesla would do.

Force the electrical specs and replacement procedures to be public. That's all the modularity I am expecting.

>>511092568 (OP)
Trump is the greatest electric child fucker we ever developed.

>>511097155
EV's can drive for an entire week on a single charge. I don't think you understand how they work whatsoever and are frankly a moron.

You get home, you plug into the outlet, the 15% you've drained that day gets recharged overnight.

that's the reality of electric cars. Not this "omg it draws a bajillion niggerwatts and burns my house down" retardation

>>511099411
this guy nailed it. big oil has had a lot to do with preventing nuclear powerplants from being built bc they do not profit off of it at all.
with extreme excessive nuclear energy every single person in the USA could own an EV, recharge it every day, use as much electricity as they want and there still never be power grid failures.
THAT is why so many anti-EV big oil shills nigger babble on socials and forums about uninformed (many times outright lies) talking points about EV's/solar that play on human ignorance to manipulate the reader into taking up an anti-EV/solar/nuclear energy position.

>energy is the MOST political issue on the planet right now

>>511092568 (OP)
>We need an Electric Car mandate ASAP
Only if that mandate is remove all electric cars from the road and destroy them.

>>511099533
Yeah I've seen videos of it too. It does work to a very limited level. But yeah doesn't outweigh the risks.

>>511099576
the SLATE EV truck is the first EV to be fully modular. its as customizable as a Jeep Wrangler and u only buy features that u want. starting at $20k.

>>511099011
Musk has so many EV patents that he worked out and got registered before anyone else was thinking about the issues. Nobody else is allowed to make as good an EV unless they come up with a really clever idea.

>>511093944
No Muhammad Ali, EVs are opposed because they're being forced. Not only are (((they))) lying about the benefits and downsides but EVs are heavily subsidizing with taxpayer money.
It would have been fine if they just had told us that a EV will get you killed in an emergency since it can barely make it to state lines on a single charge, the thousands required to get a new battery, the always on spyware that will brick your car if an update fails, just how hard it dies in cold weather etc. but no, look at how cheap it is to crash the electrical grid is what they focused on.

>>511099615
If I were broke down on the side of the road and needed to booger weld my suspension or whatever back together in order to self rescue because I had no other choice, then I would give it a shot off vehicle alternator power.
But only as a last resort and in the most dire need

>>511099533
And personally gas is still my favourite too. You know first one you learn and it leaves an impression. I got a TIG/MIG machine but it's at my parent's place as it's not really possible to use in an apartment.

>>511099651
>>511099651
SLATE auto has already BTFO'd Elon Musk's fucking faggotry.

>>511092860
This. I bet they are giant antisemites too. The white thing to do is burn fossil fuels and smoke cigarettes

>>511098704
>don't want you plebeians touching our fancy computer battery cars.
everyone has been fixing cars that run off flammable liquid and is powered by explosions of said liquid for over 120 years.

>>511099073
Of course from fuel: could be nuclear, coal, natgas, or even oil. Even the oil fired generator at a power station is several times more efficient than a little V8 that you carry around in the front of your car, a ridiculous reciprocating design but nobody's going to pay for a turbine inside a car.

>>511099710
Wouldn't work for that unfortunately, honestly best use for a battery in that case is making a fire.

>>511099742
You can heat treat parts with gas
Can't do that with wire or stick
Toughest thing I ever did was hand make a flat spring from peanut butter steel by hand
Dykem blue, dial calipers, couple hand files. Distal taper too.
Polish it as perfectly as you can because once you quench it, it's that way forever. Soak in molten lead to draw the temper.
Broke the first 4. The fifth one worked beautifully.

>>511092860
>Americans don't have fuses or circuit breakers in their electrical infrastructure. American electrical engineers allowed unlimited current to flow through the small wires when they designed the electrical system.

>>511099359
That thing looks awesome actually, just looked it up.

My grandpa had a Harvester Scout and they’re bringing that back too in an electric version.

>>511092860
Yeah this story is made up bullshit

>>511099576
i think that's part of the reason why they stopped with the replaceable cell phone batteries, the cells are integrated into the hardware and are floated/equalized according to the current conditions

the only good thing about that is the elimination of the contacts, those are always a massive failure point and can be potentially dangerous with a large enough battery

anytime you have a removable power source there has to be a lot of care placed into the design of the connection. if they did make a modular battery for a vehicle, it probably could be done, but i doubt any mfg would allow it in this sue happy land

>>511099171
For new EV? Which ones? I might consider a grocery getter.

>>511099213
THANK you for being the only anon in the thread that could articulate what i was saying.
its not about the actual mechanics or efficiency of an electric vehicle. its the fact that every single electric car is wired to the internet or needs connections to a mainframe giving it software updates and I DONT WANT my vehicle communicating with anyone, its a fucking simple as that

>>511092897
Also, not having noisy pollution mobiles driving around the neighborhood.
It's better to generate the energy far away from residential areas to keep the air quality fresh locally.
And no more disturbed sleep from noisy exhausts, which lowers testosterone.

>>511099222
Ford was doing that with their Lightning EV pickup trucks. The battery wasn't enough range, so they put a tank and an engine in the bed. Obviously took up a lot of bed space. People were laughing at the overpriced Lightning already, then pay more to convert it back to gas!

What an abortion.

Hybrid vehicles are the way.

>>511099837
https://premierpowerwelder.com/shop/welding-systems/premier-power-welder-micro-system/

>>511094022
This is peak stupidity

>>511099253
I like my Ford. But it's a 2002 Town Car. "Have you driven a Ford lately?" Yes, but I haven't bought a new one, ever.

>>511100165
That is not the same thing.
Having a generator and motor to recharge a battery is not the same thing as a diesel electric traction engine
Here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ0yIZgQeE

>>511099966
yea the Scout looks like a good proper EV truck.
more standard bells and whistles than a SLATE but youre gonna pay more.
still looks like a solid truck tho instead of that embarrassing Cybertranny truck from Tesla
ppl that i show the slate truck to sometimes tell me that "it looks like the truck from roblox"

>>511092568 (OP)
Are those recharges subsidized?

>>511093266
EVs are most popular in freezing Scandinavian countries.

>>511099954
Same guy, and yeah plus can gas cut. Downside is no aluminum or stainless.
>Toughest thing I ever did was hand make a flat spring from peanut butter steel by hand
I was going to ask how many attempts it took but you already answered kek. Good on you though.

>>511100264
the marque has now become synonymous with DEI on wheels, judging by how many parts have had to be replaced on mine under warranty

>>511092568 (OP)
We need trains.

>>511094022
>oil is too precious
Meanwhile in FUCKING POLAND.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/07/21/poland-discovers-one-of-europes-largest-oil-deposits-in-a-decade

>>511100105
The more “sci fi” and “modern” a car is the more normal this becomes.

Just remember, BMW wants to sell you a subscription to heated seats. It’s an idea that wouldn’t have even OCCURRED to auto manufacturers without “smart tech” like Teslas.

>>511095635
ICE is literally how the grid is built and maintained. I love Tesla fags not realizing they are causing the grid to require massive upgrades, which will require a massive amount of oil to be used in hundreds or thousands of different ways.

>>511100451
Trains is a hard job though.
My uncle is in trains.

>>511095069
Not to mention how much damage the mining does to natural landscapes.

>>511100402
Doing testing was the worst...
Put it in a bench vise and bend bend bennnnddd....
>TINK!
FUUUCK!!
throw shit
Go have a drink and come back in an hour
Try again

>>511092568 (OP)
With the recent heat wave in China they are so overloaded from AC use that every electric car faggot has to make a line and wait hours to charge their vehicle, the thing is the government raised their tariffs because of high demand even being even more expensive than regular gas, kill yourself electric faggot nobody wants a car that is so dependent on government services

>>511095635
>ICE has nothing to do with the electrical grid imbecile

what the fck do you think lineman bucket trucks and electrical service trucks are powered by? the class 7 lifts and ariel platforms they also use? the digger trucks?

hopes and fucking dreams?

>>511099253
every part you mentioned is fun to change in a '72 plymouth" but i lied because i never did it in a Plymouth.
how long you had this '72 that makes a big difference?
did you just have to rebuild the whole thing with your list of shit when you got it?
or did you own it since '72 and have to play with it all this time?

i could stand in the engine bay of a Plymouth and change
>sparks
>coolant
>oil- someone need to help
>heads
>rings
>rods- would need help
>the entire distr
>starter- couldnt reach it
etc.
its fun to fix cars is what im saying, they are taking this, away, go break apart your Tesla and give it a bigger distributor or bore it out, go change out your Teslas motors.

>>511099821
This is the thing that always drove me nuts about EVs.

You can either burn fuel to drive a car motor
Or you can burn fuel to boil water and use the steam to drive a turbine and use the turbine to send a current down power lines and use that current to charge a battery and use that to drive a car

Surely the efficiency losses across every step of the second one ALONE makes it worse. I get wanting to reduce the use of fossil fuels but the best way of utilizing power is always going to be “directly”. It’s why you don’t grow crops by using the sun to power solar panels and then use the solar panels to power grow lights, you put the crops in sunlight.

What the fuck are we doing

>just buy an electric car dude
No thanks.
I've heard this song and dance before.

>>511092568 (OP)
>Driving?
No, I live in Illinois with 286 passenger rail stations. More than any other state in the country. I don't need a car.
>32 Amtrak
>243 Metra
>11 Metrolink

>>511100893
wait till you find out about the end point efficiency of these green scamolas

none of it pays for itself, and makes a ton of non degradable waste. its an entire parasite industry of feelgood bullshit. and its so easy to sell these virtue signalling dimwits into it

>>511092568 (OP)
Other costs
>personal charger with dedicated circuit $200-$2000 depending on house/condo design, distance, breaker panel capacity
>$20 trillion to upgrade the entire grid from installing more power plants, transmission lines, substations, circuit breakers, transformers etc

>>511095387
Gross.

Any serious effort to tackle climate change would be in the form of a carbon tax that hits big polluters and doesn't touch regular people at all, and is then spent in the form of a carbon subsidy so that regular people can more easily switch to owning more energy efficient appliances.

It wouldn't ever resolve into the form of 'homeowners may experience rising utility bills' it would be in the form of 'the upper class may have reduced profits unless they are making an effort to produce less pollution'.

>Electric company raises prices

>>511099586
im slammed down by everyone because i actually know without a shadow of a doubt that recovery levels of FUSION nuclear power will be achieved when, i say 2068. but the world will be so gay by then, i wouldn't even wanna be there. not even sure who would wield that technology, ya wanna know what i fear? the Chinese are gonna figure it out. their form of government and the hive mind nature can allow a 5000 billion dollar fusion reactor to be built.

>>511092568 (OP)
Gas cars devalue at a rate of 2k per year if driven 10k miles (if it's a reasonably priced car that's 20-30k new)

EVs devalue at a rate of 8-12k a year. You may save fuel money but when you go to sell it, if you even can (Tesla notoriously won't take their own vehicles as trade-ins ffs) you lose a shit ton in the long run.

EVs are a disaster for the working class, most of us are apartmentcucks now and can't even charge them.

>>511092568 (OP)
Considering how expensive electricity is in Oregon, I doubt that picrel is accurate. Sure, gas is pricey here, but electric power utilities are also gouging Oregonians.
t. Old Town/Chinatown resident in Portland, Oregon

>>511100396
Many Scandinavian countries have a system where they plug their internal combustion cars into the grid while they're parked, so as to power a heater that prevents the engine from freezing up.

>>511101222
I think cap-and-trade is a rational approach. The issue is it has to be implemented worldwide to work, and the cap has to be utterly immovable, and that will never happen with a meaningfully low cap.

>>511095243
BHP the biggest mining company in the world are switching to EV. Other big miners are following suit. These companies are smarter than you, you retarded big goysoline chuds. Consertivitards always want to go backwards when the world moves forward.
If consertatives had their way we would be driving Flintstones dinosaur cars kek.

>>511100949
/thread

>>511099223
sorry just saw that, if it consistently stays low you can have your transformer retapped, they can increase the voltage right at your service.

its a common trouble call. or is your voltage only dipping certain times of the day (peak hours)?

>>511100893
It's almost like it's a fake solution to a made up problem designed to condition people into purchasing expensive, low quality goods under the guise of appeasing a nondescript existential threat; the exact criticism that's being called unscientific by people who know nothing about science.

My favorite? Cardboard straws. No better for the environment, worse for your health, campaigned for by literal children, that make your drink a worse experience, and are often not biodegradable or "green" sourced in the first place. As they throw out 800 layers of identical plastic on every amazon box and drink cup. Same with grocery store bags. First they bagged your groceries, then reusable ones were offered, then you bagged your own groceries, and now you cant even buy the goddamned bags in the first place.

>>511100003
All EVs right now get 7500 discount tax credit at point of sale. Used EVs have to be 25k usd and lower to get 4k tax credit (and 23 and older year).

>>511092568 (OP)
>Brought to you by the electric car companies

>>511094753
even at 0.30
60,000 miles for (((CA))) gas prices $5 a gallon 89 or 91 with a large sedan or SUV with 20mpg
$30K only in gas alone
electric
60,000 miles with efficency of an electric at 290Wh per mile or 0.29 kwh or just make it an even 0.3kwh
18,000 kwh for like 5-10 years of driving with your made up electricity price of fucking 30 cents a kwh is still only $5400 on fuel

>>511101458
>If consertatives had their way we would be driving Flintstones dinosaur cars kek.

But anon, moving a car with your feet is more environmentaly friendly.

>>511100498
i heard about that, now read about how making actual buttons or knobs or switches, or a mechanical interface at all, is more expensive than just slapping some faggot i-pad system, fucking tv monitor looking shit in the dashboard.

you seem smart listen to me, in 1970's there was that iran shit gas crunch, every sold their American muscles cars for super cheap, just say you bought those muscles cars back then, it would have been a good investment.
its gonna happen again but quicker, buy used pieces of shit like $2,000 Chevy, ford, Toyota, ANYTHING THAT RUNS, I BET IT WILL BE double IN 2 YEARS

>>511101458
they're getting paid my tax money to do that you fucking clown that is literally the only reason. these "green" graft account they write into pork bills are giant handouts

>>511100893
The wild part actually, using coal or whatever to produce electricity, is more efficient. Like, say if you took an electric convection stove, and used the same amount of energy in a gas stove (same tank of gas), the electric stove would produce far more meals and faster. Same concept applies to EVs. IT's more efficient to use electricity/batteries than burning coal at location.

>>511092860
These things are also randomly combusting and burning down houses in the summer heat.

>>511101754
I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME TOO, BU I WISH I FUCKING KNEW WHERE MY MONEY WAS GOING, my caps lock was on

>>511095518
Ah yes, everyone wants to drive to a target parking lot and sit in their car for hours during a road trip. That is, after sitting in line waiting for a charger to open up.

>>511101831
And thats a good thing. I especially love how imported EVs from china, randonly light on fire on those cargo ships resulting in the ship catching fire and the boat sinking.

>>511101328
I think it's more or less the wrong way around.

99% of people could do their utmost to reduce ther personal 'carbon footprint' in their own lives, it wouldn't make a dent in the problem and it would be very bad for all of them economically. If the 1% of people decided to do the same in the industries they own, it would start to solve the problem but they'd post lower profits.

My feeling right now is that the 1% of people do know they'll eventually have to switch up their practices to avoid wrecking the planet, but they just refuse to compromise on the possibility that the 99% will be forced to pay for them to do this. Or they're cynically trying to create laws and regulations that harm regular people first so that when they do eventually switch up their practices they're still economically way ahead.

>>511101783
I dont know about that one chief. The laws of thermodynamics beg to differ.

>>511101633
I get the argument for EVs if it’s “okay they’re not better if you use coal power, but they’re an important part of an overall renewable energy program” but the power plant switch is the more important piece

>grocery store bags
The disposable bags DID need to go, the real scam is that paper bags are way more expensive so companies “care” by selling you shitty reusable bags you’ll throw out anyway because good ol safely compostable disposable biodegradable paper costs several cents more per transaction and the kikes can’t have that. Line must go up.

>>511101866
its gotten so out of control now you and i are paying for the most ridiculous shit, and all they need do to collect is slap "muh green climate™" horseshit on it

>>511092568 (OP)
Take whatever you're saving and put that into you energy bill.
Then consider most of this is still new tech...so car payments.

>>511101962
Gas (straight‑burner) stoves are typically only about 40% efficient, meaning around 60% of the gas energy is wasted heating the air rather than your pan . Induction is around 84%. So if you have a large plant that is heating compressed high pressure water and producing electricity, even despite sending that power over line, it would be more efficient than straight up just burning it in your kitchen.

>>511101783
>batteries
See now that’s where I KNOW you’re full of shit, even setting aside all the other transmission inefficiencies, battery tech sucks. You get what, 40% power retention in ideal conditions with the best battery tech on the market? The shittiness of batteries is the sole reason solar doesn’t dominate the energy market, sunlight is fucking free but storing power is so horribly inefficient that you lose basically everything you gain.

>>511093241
How about you live some where sustainable and stop killing the climate, a**hole.

>>511102142
For an induction range MAYBE, not for any other kind of electric range, which also dissipates waste heat into the air

>>511101283
i bought a used 06 truck 10 years ago for $2500
its still running and i i have put 130,000 miles on it in 15 years.
and your gonna hafta take my word for this and best guess, i think in 15 years i tops put $4,000 to 5,000 of parts. including oil change and tires.

>>511102155
Batteries have been getting way better, and despite how much i hate chinks, really showing what they could do. Like, some of their evs are hitting 800+ mile range on a single charge, something we dont have here atm. Large scale solar to battery has always been limited by rare resource pipeline, which salt batteries are now overcoming (they are way heavier than nickle or lithium, but if they are just planted by your house/plant it doesnt matter).

>>511100396
Scandinavian countries tax the everlasting fuck out of ICE engine cars

>>511102245
Actually, even the old electric coil ranges have efficiency around 74-77%, so even those still were way more useful than gas.

>>511099759
>SLATE auto has already BTFO'd Elon Musk's fucking faggotry.
How many are on the road lol

>>511102005
Why did they need to go? I just used them for free garbage bags, as did any rational person. For dog shit, cat litter, carbage; tons of things. One of the big things about pollution, particularly recycling, on a conceptual level is that reusing the object increases the utility dramatically when factoring it into waste equations, and transmuting it into something else is horrifically inefficient. There's tons of space to dump trash safely without fucking up the environment. But not in dense urban areas. Anyways, I absolutely agree with everything else you said.

>>511102142
That's not what you said. You said a convection oven charged by the plant with the same amount of gas would produce more meals. That's not induction, the air in your oven needs to be heated, it's literally just an oven with a fan. You're pulling a fast one.

>>511092860

MEGAWATT? LMAO

1 MWh delivered over 12 hours = 83.3 kW continuous power
Assuming ~90% charging efficiency, that's 8.3 kW of pure heat generation
Total heat energy: 100 kWh = 360 megajoules

About 2x hotter than a wood-fired pizza oven
360 MJ could heat 860 liters of water from room temp to boiling, or melt over a ton of ice

>>511099586
>THAT is why so many anti-EV big oil shills nigger babble on socials and forums about uninformed (many times outright lies) talking points about EV's/solar that play on human ignorance to manipulate the reader into taking up an anti-EV/solar/nuclear energy position.
A lot of them do it for free which is crazy to me. Extreme brainwashing.

>>511102434
Like 0, they are trying to sell their car as being modular but that isn't what most consoomers want. Marketing your shit towards a majority is never a good idea. It's like how manual drivers bitch and moan about how that transmission is going extinct, majority don't care, car makers don't care because its not what the majority buy.

Solar is for faggots
It will not run AI centers
We need more nuclear plants
AI will also use a shit ton of water
Then we we replace half the white collar jobs

>>511102467
How? If same of amount of gas were burned, one via plant, and one directly via gas range, the plane one in an electric/convection stove would waste less energy since it doesn't burn/heat air.

>>511099582
You are wasting your time with these retards. They literally have lithium battery powered mobile phones they keep charged everyday, but somehow don't understand EV charging.

>>511092897
What if you want to drive further than your battery can take you?

>>511095367
kek

>>511093241
I was just there. We forgot water and hiked the trail. Found some ice cubes in the grass and sucked em down

>>511095175
You can't generate enough solar to charge every car on the road. On top of that, as demand for electricity rises, the cost to charge a car will be on par with gasoline with less mileage. Not to mention that over the lifetime of the vehicle, more pollution is created vs gas/diesel cars. Also, EVs are heavier than conventional cars which means more road wear and tear and less and parking garages needing to be redesigned or restricted due to weight limitations.

>>511101889
>moves goal post

>>511102300
>some of their evs are hitting 800+ mile range on a single charge, something we dont have here atm
Cereally please do a little research on this topic. Tictock and boomerbook dont count as research.

>>511102686
I drove with a friend from cali to oregon in his tesla. Every 2-3 hours we would stop in a supercharging station (the car map has every station mapped out and there is a metric fuckton of them all over USA, you'll never really go anywhere without one i n range). I dont know about others but after 2-3 hours of sitting in the car i want to stop and stretch my legs regardless.

>>511102545
It does heat the goddamned air you tard. You dont know what a convection oven is. There are induction stovetops instead of gas ones, but that's not at all what you're talking about when you say "oven", and convection has nothing to do with induction at all.

>>511093944
hybrids are superior. generator on wheels

>>511102042
lemme say something to ya tho, i dont think any dumb ass "liberal or conserve" or anyone who believes or don't believe in climate hange or the environment knows anything bout the world even know how it works at all.

i have the most hardened down to earth shrimpers and if i tell em the fucking shore is gone now, "well we just go out further"

if i tell this same thing to a ignorant young energetic chick, they derail my point with countless diatribes'.

if i get on chan, im either banned or i think im talking to bot nigs.

basically, very few people are called to be the stewards of nature by GOD. maybe i can ask the pope this on twitter

>>511102900
I have no idea what you're babbling about. A gas range literally heats the air and wastes most of the energy when it's on. Nowhere did i mention ovens.

The obvious solution is to just have a hybrid that can take fuel and a battery.

>>511094547
shut up chud. throw your ICE car away and buy this big disposable battery on wheels to save the planet

>>511102386
Good, they are noisy and cause localised pollution, and lower test levels by disturbing sleep stages when a fart can Honda, or big V8 drives by at night.

>>511094587
Its almost impossible not to support oil at least indirectly unless you never go to a store or get anything delivered and if you grow your own food

Yes goys, buy the EVs with killswitches, blackboxes & batteries large enough to burn your house down remotely.

>>511102851
>after 2-3 hours I want to stop and stretch
Yeah thats not the point, you dont just get to stop and stretch, you HAVE to. Framing it as a positive that your distance is now more limited is just retarded.

>>511103092
Not to mention most clothing is made out of plastic.

When you go clothes shopping look at the make up. Most t shirts and shit will be made out of polyurethane. Try to only buy 100 percent cotton ones.

>>511102813
now i was shitting on electric cars this whole thread, BUT they have been baiting us with graphene batts and i heard shit about entirely plastic batteries. so the weight situation could be solved, technically the fuel is just potential energy and no rule says potential energy has a specific weight or mass.

>>511092568 (OP)
i dont care about saving $600 over a year because I dont eat bugs

>>511102851
How long does that take?

>>511095367
youare trying way too hard

>>511102977
>i have no idea what you're babbling about.
I HAVE found you again, i know the exact type of person your are, mike?
you say that all the time.

>>511103153
Maybe so, but it never was an issue. We arrived with 10-15% battery at supercharger every time.
>>511103489
Took us 14 hours to get there (self drivign entire time). So around 5 stops.

>>511102977
See
>>511101783
Also, in an oven, you need to heat the air. A convection oven also heats the air. It just also has a fan to circulate the air and heat faster. No induction ovens exist as far as I know, but who knows, and if they did, you'd need some crazed pan in contact with the surface at all times. Again, you are not only wrong, but stupid. And you have the audacity to imply authority.

>>511103559
How were the seats, did you watch porn on the screen while it self drove?

moral to this thread is that oil is too valuable a resource to be wasting on residential transportation. its just that simple and anyone with any other opinion on the matter is a nigger babbling retard.

>>511100893
>You can either burn fuel to drive a car motor
>Or you can burn fuel to boil water and use the steam to drive a turbine and use the turbine to send a current down power lines and use that current to charge a battery and use that to drive a car
The second one is more efficient, hence why the world is switching to that.
Also, ICE is only 25% efficient at converting fuel into forward motion, whereas electric motors are 90% efficient.

>>511103591
Even if there are no induction ovens,electric ones have higher efficiency than gas ones as i mentioned above.
>>511103547
No idea who that is but it's amazing someone annoyed you that much that you even remember them.
>>511103619
Pretty comfy. The main screen is disabled while you're driving for content watching, and car beeps at you if you dont pay attention to road as driver.

>>511103640
We have like 100 years of oil left in Arab countries alone. It's not scarce at all.

>>511103697
Looks like your friend needs to jailbreak the tesla so you can bypass that.

>>511103709
if u were only capable of critical thinking you'd have just realized that you proved my point.

>>511103697
Nope. And I certainly dont trust a retard who doesnt know the difference between convection and induction to make that claim.

>>511103870
A retarded canadian getting uppity over word usage instead of the actual point. Dumb. Fucking. Canook.

>>511102840
That's not moving the goal post. Being stuck waiting on a charging station is functionally the same as not having one. I can drive for four hours, refill my tank of gas, and get back on the road in a couple minutes. Even if there is no line for the charger a "quick" charge of 30 minutes will only get me 2 hours of driving time, in good conditions. A 4:1 drive to refuel time ratio is garbage compared to 120:1.

>>511103924
Sure thing scientifically illiterate fagboy making arbitrary moral judgements. It's not semantic, it wasnt a mistake, it's like 5th grade science and you didnt know, yet wish to be treated like an authority when you make factually incorrect claims.

>>511104013
Not to mention the X amount of time spent at a gas station charging exponentially increases of hte odds of an encounter with a nogger who wants to steal your shit.

>>511101458
Try with bicycles

>>511103800
Well ICE isn't going away chud. EVs still a minority, and that is going to remain. No one is going to buy a used EV due to concerns of battery degradation, and new EV's are too expensive. Lithium mines are also going south, this year it was projected those mines would be deficit.

So LOL. ICE cars it is, hydrogen maybe but toyota is still tinkering with that.

>>511104418
lithium is a very poor material to use for batteries
aluminium ion batteries will replace them soon.