Thread 511138896

H1b country cap might be removed


Ramifications for tech industry? Trump is offering to allow millions of immigrants from India to allow free market access to Indian markets for US goods.

>corporations want cheap labor
no shit. this isn't an "India lobby". this is them wanting more profit.

>>511138896 (OP)
Why India specifically?

>>511138898
It’s part of US India trade deal the Indian govt wants US to relax work visa caps and to extend duration of visas.

America first != Americans first

>>511138899
What does India gain with exporting so many of their brightest minds?
Are Indians in diaspora sending money back to India? Or they influence companies to open offices in India?
I'm from Europe and thankfully so far I've been spared the Indian menace domestically at least.

>>511138896 (OP)
Wages go down more. American workers working American jobs get replaced with foreign labor.

They want this, because they determined that massive global supply lines basically guarantee the USA loses any war it gets into with a real power, like China or Russia. So now they want to reshore stuff, but they still want labor costs low, so now we'll get a bunch of new H1Bs, so that when they move the Apple factory or whatever from America to Iowa, they can bring that cheap labor force with it.

>>511138900
Pretty much this. America First basically means Israel First, American Capital second. Americans are not really considered at all. They're just expected to clap because we're "winning" or something. Even when "winning" means flooding the country with foreigners from a third-world country to lower wages and living standards for the middle and lower classes. "Winning" means a lower standard of living for you, your family, and future generations, but Trump owned the libs by putting REAL SUGAR back in Coke and trying to get the Commanders to change their name back to the Red Skins, so it is time to clap.

>>511138901
indians are literally fleeing india, they're refugees at best. they'd rather work for next to nothing in the west than stay there. and india gains nothing obviously, but unless they close their borders you can't stop people from leaving.

The chud fears the pajeet.

>>511138901
>What does India gain with exporting so many of their brightest minds?
Effective Indian supremacy over American tech. They just use nepotism until one of them is in charge. Same trick Jews used, just done by people who are lower IQ than Jews on average, but way more numerous.

>>511138896 (OP)
>H1b country cap might be removed
oh no... this will certainly cause another Arduous March™...

>>511138896 (OP)
more jeets I guess

>>511138898
voluntary slavery is an indian lifestyle thanks to their caste system and corporations love paying pennies for it

>>511138898
India has a massive population, for smaller countries the cap doesn't matter due to them being below it each year
the cap only matters if you exceed it

No way in fuck that happens even if the president wasn't Trump lmfao maybe if Ramaswami and Musk hadn't already gotten on his bad side but even then almost impossible.

>>511138896 (OP)
This would be great for Silicon Valley and the US. Indian talent is driving Silicon Valley.

>>511138896 (OP)
Trump wants to remove the lottery and give out H1B based on salary from highest to lowest, which would hurt Pajeet graduates and create more jobs for Zoomers.

>>511138896 (OP)
just a rumor, disregard

>>511138898
The Koreans, the Japanese and the Chinese no longer work at dirt cheap price so India is next.

>>511138898
By law, h1b visas have a 80K annual capacity for the entire world. However in practice due to various excemptions, America accepts ~300K-400K individuals with masters degree/high skilled workers/etc. These Visas are probationary/temporary employment stays.

While legally they may up the cap from 80K+, in practicality, they may simply want to reduce the exemptions and just up the limit to 500K.

The question for America then is, do we want high skilled workers who produce high value to our economy/country to become American citizens or do we want them returned back to India and produce value for India? Would you want Microsoft/Google CEO back in India or as US citizens? Same with Chinese H1Bs. There's a high rate of both Chinese/Indians H1Bs becoming citizens right now, however Chinese are quickly learning about racial prejudice in the US so they're moving back to China to build their own technology there. All the AI talent in America is built by immigrants right now. Whether its from China, India.

>>511138915
What does it matter if they produce value when all they mean to do is automate all 90k+ jobs and outsource the rest? This offers no utility to the citizenry whatsoever, and the service industry's output is only a means of extracting wealth from other nations for corporate profit. The corporations have no meaningful function other than to funnel money to Palantir.

>>511138896 (OP)
Doesn't matter republican or democrat, they all hate you

>>511138904
How cringe was this?

>>511138915
The first step would be getting rid of the F-1 visa.

>>511138916
More value = more jobs = better your life is. You want as much of a high productive people in the country as possible, while minimizing low value. Each high productive individual can support 10+ low value individuals. Bottom line of America gets dragged up by high value individuals.

In otherwords, high value individuals fund your social safety net. Low value individuals drain your social safety net.

>corporations
Made up of individuals who pay tax, who spend money in America, who contribute to rooting themselves in US, who create jobs, etc. Just imagine "corporations" as bunch of people. And also your retirement funds gain money with more profitable companies. You want more companies, more value being created in the country to offset value drain from aging, sick, disabled and illegals taking resources.

>>511138920
>if the international billionaire makes 1.6 billion this quarter by replacing a bunch of American laborers with imported Indian H1Bs, instead of only making 1.4 billion if he didn't, this is a win for America
What kind of brain damage does it take to develop such a belief system?

>>511138897
>>511138902
What baffles my mind is that those corporations must understand that lowering income - of the people who buy their shit - to such a low level that they cannot afford is equivalent to sawing off the branch they're sitting at?

These people who are supposedly more intelligent than us (thus "leading" businesses) cannot be so fucking shortsighted that they want to boost Q3 at cost of collapsing long term? Can they? Or is it a cascading effect of game theory where the dumbest mba at one company does it and then everyone else needs to follow suit as to not lose their faces in front of their dumbshit retard boomer investors ("but competitors line went up more than yours") which would be the real death kneel?

This suicidal practice needs to be studied and banned by law.

>>511138921
If American laborers cant provide value to the company and instead bankrupt the company, then there's no benefit. If American laborers provide benefit to the company, why would anyone fire American laborers.

Simple as that. 90% of the company in US has lazy people that contribute to the company, thats why Musk fired 90% of Twitter and the site has only gotten better. Thats why the tech companies has shed half a million people over the last 2 years because they dont contribute to the company. They were there primarily for diversity quotas, stacies who film on tiktok, grifters who grift by embedded themselves inside a byzantine beurocratic system.
No high value Americans are getting fired, in fact, all the top tech companies are paying BILLIONS for high value employes. Hundreds of millions, tens of millions PER employee. There has never been a time where companies have paid more for single high value individuals in the history of the world.

So where the DEI hires go? Thats the question. You learn new VALUABLE skills and move to different areas where your value is required. Society doesnt stop. It always requires new valueable people. Demand will always be there.

>>511138896 (OP)
As an employer, I see this as an absolute win.
In my experience I would say that about half of native-born Americans really do over-demand and under-perform. Not all, but definitely about half.

Smaller AI companies cant afford to pay billion dollar per talent. So they need alternative.

>>511138918
They were not sending their best.

>>511138922
You can thank the supreme court for Dodge v. Ford Motor Co

>>511138924
Or you're a cheap ass fuck that doesn't want to match the cost of living, so you'd rather have h1b slaves that are scared to complain or else get fired.

>>511138922
tech workers are but an extremely small portion of tech consumers, what you said is stupid, i notice that a lot of politically inclined retards tend to want things to appear as natural consequences of the system or natural steps within it when they are not, for example henry ford said that he just wanted his workers to buy the cars when he raised their wages but what he really wanted was for the industry to keep up and raise the standards of living (he was not going to and did not kill off the competition, a historical fact), he was just a really good person but anyway, there is no such mechanism as the one you describe, everything is whole for these companies.

>>511138925
smaller AI companies are 1 grifter + 1 engineer + a ton of open source code written by someone else and a team of useless cunts hired to make the operation seem more impressive than it actually is to investors.
So like, no, nobody is being hired for a billion dollars or whatever, the money waste is caused by over-hiring in fake positions.

>>511138924
what demographic are you hiring anyway? Entry level? Obviously entry level would underperform.

>>511138896 (OP)
>Ramifications
I'll be happy if the Indians in Europe start migrating to the US

>>511138915
I want you to kill yourself in the slowest, most painful way possible, schnoz.

I've heard "rumors" both ways. That visas are either going to become easier or harder to get. I'm guessing harder, since Trump is literally "I hate immigrants: the Guy" and how he has already attacked and undermined other visa programs.

Gun to my head right now Trump/Miller and team are crafting some sort of visa redefinition that will significantly reduce the # available without rocking the boat too much and immediately making big tech angry.

You are misunderstanding the situation. Not h1b caps removal.
Green card cap removal. As a Euro that was on h1b in the States for a few years and talked h1b rules with Indians (and Chinese) let me explain the situation.

H1b is a dual intent work visa. Dual intent means that you can use it if you intend to work for a few years and go back home. Or you can use it intending to eventually become a citizen. I was mostly thinking of going back home eventually but I gave staying serious consideration.

h1b visa is for 3 years, and you can renew it once for additional 3 years. At that point you have to make a call either you go home or you apply for a green card (=permanent residence visa). While your green card application is pending you can keep renewing your h1b, 3 years at a time. As long as you are in good standing and have work (its a work visa so you gotta work). Also since h1b is a work visa you cant just change employers. It's a whole process where you have to apply for permission. It's especially complicated and risky if you have a pending green card application, but it's possible.

Now green cards are capped, and every country has the same cap per year. So people from some tiny country have the same cap as a giant country of 1.5billion people (India and China). Can you see where this is going? There are lots of Indians and Chinese with pending green card applications and the cap is low so they have to wait for decades to get a permanent green card visa. But they can still stay and roll their h1b 3 years at a time. This is a kind of unsecure position as they could at some point be forced to leave by a change in visa rules or if they struggle to find work. Another important consequence is that their employers have a lot of power over them as changing work is so hard. Whereas an American citizen can give their 2 weeks notice (or even leave the same day in some cases i believe memory is getting hazy), for an h1b to leave it's a many months long process.
(cont)

>>511138935
(cont) If you get fired on an h1b visa you technically have to leave the country immediately, but everyone involved realises that this is unrealistic, so there is an inofficial rule that you get 30 days to find new work or leave.


Okay so then what does lifting the green card cap actually mean? It means that all these Indians and Chinese will go from having temporary to permanent visa. There will probably be a short term boom as the backlog clears, but then it will slow down again. Since many of them have been in the US for a long time they will probably apply for citizenship too.

Personal effects -> Anxiety will go down as they aren't constantly wondering if they will be kicked out.
Job market effects -> They will be more secure and have better negotiating position against tech companies.
Election effects -> They will be allowed to vote when they become citizens.

>>511138936

So you think they're raising the standards for new visas but are grandfathering in existing h1bs towards a more permanent path to residency?

>>511138896 (OP)
Mass deportations
Fuck this shit, when do we get an ethnonationalist rw dictatorship? Cause I'm tired of democracy and subversice ethnics.

There's a cap? what is it 2 billion per year

>>511138901
>>511138903
>and india gains nothing obviously
false

>>511138940
They always lie. We need to ban them from the internet. Disgusting gaslighters. Deport them all.

>>511138940

Somalia is so poor and America so rich that remittances from America are 40% of Somalian GDP lmao

>>511138937
>So you think they're raising the standards for new visas
I haven't read about the proposal so idk.

>>511138922
>These people cannot be so fucking shortsighted

Lmao. You don't work in corporate america do you? They are the most myopic people on the planet. This is nothing new.

I think china knows Indian labour is shithouse and it might leverage China's MIC over America's. That's the REAL reason. It's subversion. They want to make US products worse so they compete less and less with China.
China does this with all developed countries btw. They might even start this more in SEA too.

The CCP are fucking insane. Then again, the US is so useless, it can't even stop this shit.

>>511138896 (OP)
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWRFUL CASTE OF SUPREME BRAHMANTAMANLAMVESHA, AMERICA WILL BE THE GREATEST AND BROWNEST

>>511138934
>Trump is literally "I hate immigrants: the Guy"
I fucking wish

>>511138922
This can be easily explained by human behavior. Why do people think that the elites have some glorified plan.

In reality, it's really as simple as the human tendency to look out for number 1. Some guy becomes CEO of a company. He's only thinking about boosting shareholder value in the short term because if he does he gets a fuck huge bonus at the end of the fiscal year. He then fucks off to another company. Rinse and repeat and you have the current state of corporations. Just look at the average tenure of CEOs today. They have significantly decreased from years prior.

Think about it, what would you do in that situation? Do you really care about your companies future? You probably, and reasonably, only care about the paycheck and potential paychecks in relation to yourself and only yourself.

>>511138922
um sweetie the next quarter is just around the corner and we need numbers NOW

>>511138948

Compared to Biden, Obama, Clinton, Reagan? Yes, absolutely. He's an anomaly and we'll probably never see it again. Look at the rest of the west, utterly done and hopeless.

>>511138915
benchod bitch

>>511138915
SAAAR WE ARE DOCTOR AND ENGINEER AND CEO SAAR

>>511138951
I would love to be wrong but I bet the final deportation numbers at the end of this fiscal year are going to be mediocre. But sure he's not as insane as Trudeau so there's that at least.

>>511138933
this post goes very hard
love from kazahkstan
i hate jeets so much its unreal

>>511138912
Trump "wanted' to release the Epstein list. How did that turn out?

Eventually you will run out of cheap countries and world wide you will have to pay a fair wage. India would already be richer than the USA in some areas if per capita wasn't taken into account.

>>511138896 (OP)
Trump is going to destroy the republican party in one fell swoop and either give rise to an even more shitskinned left or an actual white supremacist far right movement. Either way, it won't be good for the country. He's fucking retarded

>>511138957
lol
lmao even

And they're all going to Texas saaaaar hope you didn't move there recently because there are no jobs anywhere else LOL

>>511138960
between the kikes and jeets its amazing to me that texas hasn't boogalooed

>>511138934
>Trump is literally "I hate immigrants: the Guy"
You're intentionally conflating illegal immigrants with legal immigrants for the purpose of trying to pursuade the readers on the merits of importing tens of millions of illegal immigrants

>>511138901
>India
>brightest minds?
lol
lmao

>>511138963
nah it checks out

touché, mod, touché

>>511138896 (OP)
>FellForItAgain.png

Trumpfags will never learn.

>>511138922
I think it's more of an ethnic thing at this point then profit
alot of indians have infiltrated high positions at these companies and just want to import more of their own

>>511138896 (OP)
Trump has not increased any H1B cap. In fact, under Biden, the federal government allowed 800,000 H1Bs above the 120,000 cap set by Congress and Trump ended that.

He has literally cut the number of H1B’s by 90%. Yet every day we have literal kike / jeet hybrids like pic related making multiple threads implying Trump is both responsible for the H1B limit set by Congress, and ignoring the fact that he reduced the H1Bs allowed in by a huge amount.

Why is this? I mean nobody here except the NAFO agree/reply shills and bots is falling for it, so what’s the point? All of this false consensus never turned the board, it just lets us know what NATO’s fake psyop of the day is.

Trump needs to leave NATO. That’s all there is to it.

>>511138896 (OP)
Middle class white leftists about to get fucked, they are gonna get all kinds of diversity and it will put them out of jobs lmao