Thread 511201198

Are Infantry fire and maneuver tactics outdated? Does training really even matter anymore in modern warfare? All the training in the world doesn't seem like it can save you if you are in a trench being hunted by drones.

>>511201198 (OP)
just a question of having enough energy to power your drone jammer

people might carry around little lithiom ion packs like ammunition for one shot bursts that kill the drone (and then you run away fast)

>>511201365
Alot of drones are using fiber optic cables so cannot be jammed.

>>511201832
>fiber optic cables so cannot be jammed.
Brainlet detected, opinion rejected. Not telling you how tho.

>>511201198 (OP)
Yes training matters but it also needs to be updated to deal with the times. These days that would include trench fighting and drones, both with and against you.

>>511202693
How do you train against drones?
I suggested that we all go skeet shooting on my cousin's land but my squad leader said we couldn't drive 4+ hours for training and also heavily implied I was a homosexuality idk

>>511202559
I guess you could use emp hypothetically, or fry electronics with microwaves.

>>511201198 (OP)
You have to be prepared for the 3 mins when the drone comin' at you.

>>511204455
And you’re still more likely to be blown sky high by artillery or step on a land mine

>>511204386
can't you shield for that?

>>511201198 (OP)
>Drawing conclusions from the wars of turd worlders
Imagine being around in the 1980s and unironically asking if infantry training matters because Iran is using human wave tactics against Iraq

>>511202559
how do you jam something that doesnt operate on radio spectrum you dumb retard

>>511201198 (OP)
>Last month it may have been during war-game training, but a force of just 100 Royal Marines reportedly “smashed” 1,500 U.S. soldiers. The £400million drill in California also was reported to have been cut short because the British victory was so swift and unexpected.

Intelligence, tactics, training and guts matter.

>>511201198 (OP)
We could have had wars where it's only drones fighting, but no

>>511204691
You were just sneaky and cut their taco supplies.

>>511203356
Old people in high positions always hold everyone back from improving.
Creative destruction is a real thing. Innovation usually happens after mass death.

>>511201198 (OP)
If you wanna keep buildings n sheeeeeit, then yes.

>>511204676
you can still jam all the sensors and cameras providing telemetry data back thru the wire

>>511202559
It's fine as long as the drone only turns very gently

>>511201198 (OP)
Wars in the future will be fought by fully autonomous AI powered drones, in air, ground, and sea, in all shapes and forms. The winners of wars will be those that produce the best and the most drones and the best AIs. Any human in the field will have to be either heavily shielded and distanced from combat or they will have to wear extremely strong power armor.

>>511205023
if cameras and sensor can operate on a CAT5 cable without any transmission loss then why would i make them wireless

>>511205023
>here let me jam that inclinometer, once I do the drone is done for

>>511205323
what he's trying to say is you can blind the camera with an array of lasers, or nuke the internal electronics with microwaves. he's just some guatamalan border hopper who doesn't know what the word "jam" entails.


personally i think the most effective way to deal with drones is to use a singular, ultra high powered laser to just instantly set the drone on fire. laser tech has come far enough that this wouldnt be expensive or require very much battery power. the problem would come from autonomously tracking the drone and accurately estimating it's range, as those small scale anti infantry drones are way too tiny to show up as a radar signature (at least, one that can be distinguished from birds), you'd need to integrate it with a LiDAR battery to range small targets properl, which would expose the battery to areal reconnaissance quite quickly

>>511201198 (OP)
>Does training even matter in modern warfare[?]
Soon, it won't; and for the same reason, nor will war games set after automaton be fun to play.

>>511201198 (OP)
correct, op. jews are dragging us back to dark ages with this wwiii in drone era. drones are as dangerous as nukes. drone MAD should have been enough reason to make peace

>>511202559
You're brown.

Absolutely it does. Consider how most of the drone kills you see coming out of Ukraine are isolated single soldiers or pairs, out of cover and with no protocol because their element is too small. This isn't to say drones are an easy problem but there are a lot of workarounds you could do before reaching for fancy high-tech equipment. Better use of cover, larger elements with distributed roles, shotguns or even paintball guns in the team loadout, detectors that target the rotor noise.

>>511201198 (OP)
Mixed unit tactics all day everyday
>>511201832
This will work but the landscape it can work in is limited

>>511205274
Only as far as the state will have reach. The means of production will be the areas that will be nuked.

>>511201198 (OP)
>All the training in the world doesn't seem like it can save you if you are in a trench being hunted by drones.
The act of being able to fly is a skill. You train that skill.
The act of knowing how to rig up your drone, or rig up explosives is a skill. You train that skill.
The act of delivering munitions blindly is ineffective. Tactical deployments are a skill. You train that skill.

Skills change over time. Not many soldiers even in a cavalry unit know how to change horse shoes. But they're still cavalry and still commit war crimes.
The technology is what changes, but training will remain.

>>511201198 (OP)
im going to launch the nukes nothing can save u

>>511201198 (OP)
Gamers rule modern war. Unironically.

>>511201198 (OP)
Based on what we see in Ukraine vs Russia war, you don't need training on a level of a paratrooper or Navy Seals. CQC is pointless too because the modern strategy is blowing up the entire building with an anti-tank mine. What skills are truly needed in the frontline? Ability to use drones, basic mechanical and electrical repair, driving a motorcycle and enough courage to throw an anti-tank mine with a short detonation.

>>511201198 (OP)
Army training is to turn you into a compliant obedient good goy

>>511201198 (OP)
Individual training is still necessary like how to use your weapon/equipment., coordination etc. You are probably thinking about individual war experience or what people call "battle hardened", which is somewhat true because surviving a drone attack once doesn't make you immune to the next one

>>511205903
I expect that the main counter to drones will be more drones. Anything else seems impracticable. Your anti-drone laser turret or a an emp jammer will at least be the size of a tank, and at that point becomes a worthwhile target for artillery or missiles.
Buckshot may serve as a last resort and might save a few lives, but it's not viable, the drones are too fast and too quiet.
It's probably going to be autonomous swarms of anti-drone drones. Once both sides protect their infantry with a sufficient screen of anti-drone drones, the problem will be more or less neutralized and you'd be back to standard old-school infantry tactics.

>>511201198 (OP)

You have never seen a real warship. War is all about stealth.

>>511209479
>Your anti-drone laser turret or a an emp jammer will at least be the size of a tank,
maybe in 1980 lol, commercially available parts can produce a laser the size of a fallout laser pistol which melts titanium instantly. and it's only that big because it's built inside of a bulky radar gun housing. the actual working parts are the size of a fist, including battery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVlL0FNbSE

>>511201198 (OP)
it's incredible how libshit and feminine all these "strong men" are irl

oh this is nothing
when transhuman super cyborg warriors are invented with perfect senses then you will know what real terror is when they drop militias/militants/soldiers like flies with their literal aimbots

>>511201198 (OP)
If you're drawing this conclusion from the russian attack on ukraine then it's a false thought. Two poorest armies in europe with no real air force makes wars stagnate.

>>511201198 (OP)
watch Inside the Most Prepared Country In the World. Training matters a lot. For realism they have infrared drones and F/A-18s in the air ready to drop bombs on infantry units. Without training it would just be a massacre, as it is in Palestine.

>>511201365
thats not going to be viable anymore AI has already made it possible to have autonomous seek and destroy drones just look at DARPAs publicly disclosed projects not even their secret shit

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Uf2rif6Gdw


chinks had this tech 3 years ago
https://youtu.be/rPul9WKQ6oQ?si=sbS711mOD22v9mV3


in another 10 years humans will be underground never leaving the tunnel systems during warfare

>>511210212
Yes, but that's going to be as useless as a shotgun. More useless, because of the weight of the battery and the issues with keeping the battery loaded in the field.
Your laser idea is only useful if it's a fully autonomous system that detects and shoots down hostile drones automatically.

>>511201198 (OP)
how you train to avoid fpv drones?

>>511212060
>as if in the near future the drones wont be small enough to come after you in the sewer or air ventilation.
Somehow I'm happy I will not live in this future, just dead in the grave.

>>511202559
what is your iq?