Hi!
So, I think it's not really hard to see where the main problem comes from, at least where to obviously begin: it's the people that directly control economy.
Sure, things like ideologies and stuff is important too but money is the more immediate thing we all have in common, we need it for everything, and there is a group of people that print it and apply the value they want to it.
Of course it's a very simplified way to describe it but in reality it is that simple: money is fabricated and an arbitrary value is decided upon it by other fellow humans, just like you and me.
So, the obvious thing is to at the very least question these people, right?
Well, people in USA (the de facto world superpower that directly and indirectly influence the rest of the world) back in 2008 actually started a movement called Occupy Wall Street, and the catch phrase was also very simple, and powerful and true: "we are the 99%", because, yes, that group of people that controls the world's economy is really small! They get vastly outbumbered, so it makes no sense that such a small group of people have this much influence over the remaining majority.
So, how can such a logical, obvious path of thinking and action got dismantled, seemingly overnight?
(Cont)

Well, according to wikipedia, the media started questioning the movement (the media? questioning a movement that threatened powerful people? Ohh), by saying that, despite the slogan being "we are the 99%", most of the people that were protesting where white, "overwhelmingly white" as the media said (it's on wikipedia if you want to look it up, these exact words), and somehow, the media spun the narrative in a way that they painted "white working class" as the real problem - not the 1% of overwhelmingly powerful people that control money.
They effectively distracted the population with rivalries between races, genders and political alignment, and that way, the powerful 1% just has to sit, and watch the 99% fight between them.
The question is as follows: how hard it is to leave behind racial, gender, age, and other wars, and concentrate on the most immediate problem?
I'm not saying there isn't racial or gender or whatever other issues, but the way I see it, those are not priorities! And also, things like race or gender aren't even human-made, money is. We can kill the people who make money, but we don't even know how things like races or genders were originally conceived, that's just part of nature, money isn't.
Instead of giving me cynic answers about how it's too late and the elite won... Do you think it's possible to make a similar movement like OWS, but this time focus on the real enemy instead of getting sidetracked??
Sorry for the long post, hope the point is clear!

>>511226094 (OP)
bumping to give time to give response before 404.

>>511226483
Thanks, waiting for it!

>>511226094 (OP)
You live on the other side of the planet. If you're a broke loser today in Argentina it's not because of some shit that you think happened in the USA 20 years ago.

>>511226137
Before the central planners/banks/NGOs/USAID started bussing the entirety of the 3rd world into the West. For the sole purpose of disrupting social cohesion to prevent these grass root movements from taking hold again. I would say it was possible for another movement to start. At this point of time, with the globally applied trauma based mind control that the intel agencies implemented, paired with the blatantly hostile barbarians that they are flooding every city center with. They have set the stage where only violence or a Secessio plebis could make a change. I will admit that Trump getting elected again with the popular vote this time around shows that the voters are now numb to the racial divide and conquer that Hollywood is constantly pushing, yet the immigration policies are not really changing in meaningful way. Its not too late for another movement to form, but the only movement left to form is one that removes the current power structure that is in place. Which I sense is what the powers at be actually wants because of our pesky constitution. To get to the point to where the common man and women actually give a shit enough to sacrifice their creature comforts, things need to get much worse. The main problem however is that the signal to noise ratio, like we see on this board and other social media sites, is so high that it does not leave room for people to actually communicate effectively before a flood of bots and pajeets flood the place to stop the discussion before it can actually take hold. Until people ditch the internet and actually start organizing locally, people will just end up getting distracted by bullshit rhetoric designed to distract. We also see that there is a lot of interest to punish those in charge for their crimes, but the people still have not figured out that no one but themselves will actually do anything. So it goes back to things needed to get worse before people start to figure out that voting does not matter.

>>511227558
To put the current situation in simple terms. You have the natives interested in changing the system to favor them, but the current system has artificially imported those into the power structure that benefit from the current system. Until those who benefit from the current system start to lose their privilege in a high enough concentration to where the system destroys itself. The natives are simply going to be held hostage until the revolt in some manner that forces a change or makes the current system ineffective enough to project power. Right now people still have hope in the current system since they really do not understand it.

>>511226137
>Do you think it's possible to make a similar movement like OWS, but this time focus on the real enemy instead of getting sidetracked??
As you said, the actual rulers of our society immediately kicked the media machine into high gear blasting everyone with propaganda about how OWS was a "straight white male" movement. I'm sure you remember how within the first week, the media stopped inviting competent and articulate OWS representatives, and started exclusively giving airtime to danger-hair trannies, nonwhites with grievances about colonialism, etc.

>>511228021
>Right now people still have hope in the current system since they really do not understand it.
This. People think inflation is just something that happens.

>>511227439
>you think happened
Suggesting that OWS didn't happen or what?
>>511227558
I think starting a new movement that recognizes the divide and conquer tactics and focus 100% on targeting the powerful people, instead of infighting between normal people, could help make people more aware. A movement that's all about leaving behind (at least momentarily) the dichotomies of left/right, man/woman, white/black and focus 100% on the people who print the money.
I think if there's a bit of organization and self discipline this could take off. But yeah, not easy at all, it demands intense concentration on the target and ignore all distractions systematically.
First of all there should be an easy way to show people how they were deceived into fighting a war against other poor people instead of the real enemy, and pics like the one I posted on the OP are not simple enough.

>>511228210
The masses are being impoverished, isolated, alienated, demoralized, infantilized, poisoned to such an extent that the majority is completely reliant on the very thing that is killing them. Its obvious that they are starting to 'feel' something is wrong and wants change, but I doubt their ability to actually create change. The only group of people that actually express enough education/wealth/concern are the Gen X'ers. But they are only networking with themselves, where the generations after them, as angry as they are, have no power projection and have normalized the current state of things. They are demoralized and are too wired in to the control mechanisms that hate them. With how the central planners and their goons are acting, its obviously with panic as they can feel the public sentiment turn against them. But they are doubling down and attacking the very thing that gives them power. At this rate I predict the system will implode in on itself before the people actually rise up to make meaningful change. At most I predict a bunch of decentralized splinter cells going around destroying infrastructure, but I also see competing nations like China/Russia to accelerate the destabilization. We have a fentanyl problem for a reason and the East has learned a lot from the British.

>>511226094 (OP)
The anime to troon pipeline must be disrupted. I don't see problem.

>>511229220
>They are demoralized and are too wired in to the control mechanisms that hate them
But a big part of that demoralization is the fact they spend all their energy fighting their non-powerful peers.
Poor whites against poor blacks, poor women against poor men, poor leftists against poor rightwingers.
I think there has to be a way to start a new, fresh movement that educates people into something as simple as "hey, leave your current gender/race/moral wars for a while, and let's all fight together against this bigger enemy we have in common".
It's also a trope on movies and stuff, you know, like I dunno, vegeta and goku joining forces against Freezer.

>>511228210
Great thread. Sadly these kind on threads are getting squashed by the garbage

>>511230076
>Sadly these kind on threads are getting squashed by the garbage
Stop noticing things.

>>511228210
>OWS didn't happen
It happened and I was old enough to remember it. A bunch of assorted losers angry at the world. They had no agenda, no clear goals, and no leadership. The same assortment of under-men who turn up to whatever protest is in vogue in any generation.
They were co-opted by the usual suspects (Jewish funded communists) early because their kind has money for organization and they always use societies failures as their useful idiots.
>>511228210
>there's a bit of organization and self discipline
If these types had any of that they'd have their shit together and be at work, self improving, or building/maintaining their homes, enjoying hobbies, socializing with IRL friends, or enjoying time with their family instead of waving BLM signs of whatever shit.

>>511229786
As sensible as it is to do just that. There is only one race/ethnicity/group that expressed an actual interest in doing that. Turns out it was just a Trojan horse to weaken those very people. Humanity is tribalistic by nature as a survival mechanism. In-group preferences show this and at most are only interested in uplifting other tribes to create a symbiotic relationship. Democracies can only work in a homogenous society. Also keep in mind the large mass of fucking retards who self sabotage due to their own hubris/crabs in a bucket mentality. The horrors that Sigmund Freud, particularly Edward Bernays have unleashed onto the West is going to be a very difficult thing to overcome. The intel agencies have gotten very, very good at leading us around by the nose and allowing pressure valves to be opened in a very controlled manner. This is why everyone is focused on culture wars but not financial policy. Like you said, money is the root of all problems and people still very much want that money, so they will not question how our money is made. Its bad enough that people turned to non-tangible cypto currencies that can be controlled and manipulated even more than the dollar.

>>511230482
>They had no agenda, no clear goals, and no leadership.
Yeah it's hard, but also, the media made it even harder on purpose, because suddenly, the people who were protesting against the powerful money printing overlords were called "overwhelmingly white" and people got sidetracked fighting about race.
Since we already know this tactic, the next step would be OWS2: not getting distracted by racial bait boogaloo

>>511230482
>They had no agenda, no clear goals, and no leadership.
The agenda/goal was to get the Citizens United decision repealed.

>>511230758
>the people who were protesting against the powerful money printing overlords
It was a bunch of unemployed and unemployable losers whinging that others had more toys than them.
>got sidetracked fighting about race.
Go live around your pet niggers and see how much you have in common with them.
>OWS2
Or just get a fucking job and invest in publicly traded companies yourself. It's like seizing the means of production but you don't have to kill everybody more successful than you and then starve to death.

>>511227439
>>511230482
>>511231093
Kike is mad lol

>>511230976
Odd, my takeaway of it was more like pic related. Just losers who don't even understand what stock is being envious.

>>511231202
What do you do for work? Why not pick up a sign and go out and wave it around and see if that improves your lot in life?

Only by spilling the blood of the 1% can we make a change. The richest and most powerful of the 99% should be fearful of stepping out of line against the masses when they see how the previous lot were drawn and quartered in the streets for all to see. Good old violence in high doses. Of course that will not be televised live, but we all have cameras and the internet.
Imagine if you will, some big banker being beaten on the streets and then set alight so they can burn to death in the middle of a crowd of people from all walks of life who have just had enough of ZIONIST, Children raping demons and their shabbos goys.

>>511230758
FYI if you want to get a recentish IRL example of how things would go with what you described in the year of our lord 2025. Just read up on the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHAZ) in Seattle. It did nothing because of the absolute retardation of them all. I personally do not give a shit about abstractions, particularly the good sounding ones. I only care about the harsh reality and history shows us what that reality is. Ultimately we need a strong well intentioned leader, but good luck finding one that is not a wolf in sheep's clothing at this point.

>>511231203
>Odd, my takeaway of it was more like pic related.
Unfortunately, it's a bad take.

>>511231248
>What do you do for work?
I own a business.

>>511231093
>>511231203
So you definitely think stuff like fighting about things like left vs right or man vs woman is more important than questioning the printing money machine?
BTW I'm not really that poor (despite living on a poor country) and I don't want a lot of money, it's more that I'm tired of the aggressive "us vs them" mentality common people have between them, and it's wild to me how they never target or question the bankers and the people who print/apply value to money. It's not about me wanting money or being envious.

>>511231428
Instead of appealing to the troll, you should be using his posts as fodder for illustrating your points to the lurkers reading this thread.

>>511231648
>you should be using his posts as fodder for illustrating your points to the lurkers reading this thread.
I'm already doing that hehe

>>511231285
>FYI if you want to get a recentish IRL example of how things would go with what you described
I just read a bit on it, and it seems it was all about identity politics and racial stuff? No wonder it went anywhere.
I'm saying we should do the opposite: ignore any racial/gender/moral infighting and join forces against the common enemy we all have. We can fight about gender and morals later.

>>511231315
So protesting a ruling that allowed an anti-Hillary commercial to be aired and restricts free speech? That's even shittier than I remembered.
>I own a business.
Do you suppose you'll get to keep it once we abolish private property? How much equity do you give your employees?
>>511231428
>questioning the printing money machine
OWS wasn't an "end the fed" movement, I know that for certain.
>I'm tired of the aggressive "us vs them" mentality
Great, try living around your nigger pets and report back on how that goes for you after a year or two if you're still alive.
>>511231648
>Everybody who writes something I can't rebut is a troll.
OK, champ. You guys print up a bunch of signs and march around with your pet niggers and let us know how that goes for you.

>>511232390
>OWS wasn't an "end the fed" movement, I know that for certain.
But it's closer to it than "fight against your fellow middle class because they are women and you're a man! Look! They're posting memes about men being bad! Get angry!"
As for racial stuff: I do support homogenic societies, but economy is more urgent and it also affects everyone.

>>511226094 (OP)
In the 1990s the Internet (former DARPA project) was privatized, much of the disdain toward old media was fostered to get people to move onto new media, to create a new narrative, to more people off the structure of centralization into mass privatization. The 'distraction' doesn't matter in this case, occupywallstreet noticed what was going on when government was seizing failed banks and they sent Internet media into overdrive with anti-socialist talking points. Even 4chan was completely taken over by stormfront. We're not discussing political subjects anymore, there's no law that says 'you must get vaccinated' or 'you can't say nigger' the only things that allow you to lose your job over either is the lack of labor protections in the private sector. Reagan sent manufacturing overseas so your ability to produce is heavily crippled compared to industrial factories, everyone is left to retail work which is being flooded by foreign labor on visas so you can't organize unions. Even the liberal 'colorblind' media in the 90s was a false narrative to get people to loosen barriers on cheap visa labor and to give niggers a chance (more welfare states). There was no gangsta rap before the 1990s, blacks were still mostly segregated and in the south then they started promoting violent behavior (they kind of already were but rap made them 100x worse) and shipping them into cities. This will not end until everything is privatized, every state is slowly giving up the ability to hold referendums, and now people are openly praising China as a model which is somehow even more comically privatized than the US. Somewhere after Nixon democracy died for real, he was the last New Deal president, we had a hollowed out uniparty pretending to be a two-party system that had 0 accountability because they just blame the other party when something goes wrong. Even I'm getting to the point where I'm falling for the false dichotomy and want to blatantly support a uniparty.

>>511226137
It is either too late, or will be too in 5-10 years. Think of modern government like a tech startup, you work your people to death so you can sell it. Except here it isnt a sale, but a technological target that makes it so you dont need a population anymore. Doesnt matter how much fuckery you do with piles of technical debt, crunch, burnout, once you sell you win. Same with doesnt matter how fucked the birth rates are, spiraling inflation, unavailability of housing, wage collapse, mass immigration, all are means to an end.

The working and middle class will soon be unnecessary, soldiers for the meat grinder will soon be unnecessary, consent of the governed will no longer be necessary (total modern war [why didnt murrica nuke vietnam? Because politicians wanted to get reelected])

We're going back to feudal times baby, it wont be some noble with his knights and serfs, itll be some 200y/o family (thanks to modern medical advances) w/ armies of drones and automated factories

We'll be lucky if (((they))) even deign to keep us around as pets

>>511232788
>Even I'm getting to the point where I'm falling for the false dichotomy and want to blatantly support a uniparty.
Yeah it's easy to fall for it, sadly.
The idea would be to leave behind left vs right dichotomy and just use 99 vs 1

>>511232609
>your fellow middle class
Don't go out to fucking protests as they have jobs and better shit to do with their lives. Rank and file at any of those atavistic protests are invariably full of unemployed and unemployable losers or trust fund brats and limousine liberal types.
>As for racial stuff
Seriously, go live around a bunch of niggers for a year or two.

>>511231428
Perception is reality and most people have isolated perceptions that have been manufactured from birth to a very strict mode of thinking. Simply go outside and ask a politically active individual to explain to you how compound interest works, or how loans are created. You can also go ahead and look up IQ and life achievements. You seem like a rational and intelligent individual, unfortunately you are rare. Most people like to feel, not think. Most people are lazy and like to outsource their thinking to others. Until that changes and people learn to educate themselves, not much will change. The last 3 generation have been conditioned and degraded by compromised institutions that started them off in life from a very low point that does not allow for very much self agency.

>>511232145
It was about race and gender, but particularly about disregarding race and gender for unity. Why it failed is that they ignored race and gender so they ended up with a nigger warlord doing what they do best. Black on black violence, rape, and useless white leftists that cant even grow a garden that burnt out because of rampant theft and ironically identity politics splintering the group. The only reason OWS was what it was is because everyone, from all walks of life. Got financially burned by 2008. Until another big even comes by that fucks everyone over, we wont be seeing this level of unity again in the USA. We have been trained from birth to hate each other because we dont know anything else. But you want to know one thing that /pol/ has taught me? When we are freely allowed to hate each other on equal terms, it actually unites us. Its like those videos of dogs barking at each other through the fence, but when the fence is removed. They calm down. The average person does not want to hate, they want peace. The current system however is uplifting repeated offenders and is being amplified online. Society is broken because the system is broken. We are stuck in this catch 22.

>>511230482
>They had no agenda, no clear goals, and no leadership.
You are either being disingenuous or didn't begin paying attention until the mass subversion began

They were protesting the "Too Big to Fail" corporate bailouts that occurred during mass unemployment and home foreclosures and quantitative easement (money printing).

>>511233269
>d better shit to do with their lives.
Such as spending time fighting cultural war and identitiy politics?
>live around bunch of niggers
And they surely won't go back to their places as long as the Overlords are still there, you know...

>>511233103
There's more to this than just class dichotomy, those '1%' are all defense contractors, Musk included. I used to think peak oil was a hoax, now I'm starting to believe its true, the DoD controls the entire energy sector. If consumption surpasses production of energy that wealth inequality is only going to widen, as much as people bitch about 'infinite growth' being a hoax, they won't accept that excess population is becoming an existential threat. Economists exist solely to optimize the population pyramid they won't give up on growth, even if the whole thing is collapsing. I'll give you an ancient example. In the middle east it used to be verdant, but pastoralists would let their goats graze everywhere causing the area to become a desert. As a response to this agriculture was formed and promoted as a primary currency and means of food, but then land became a commodity and people would war over that and created fertility cults which produced very low quality humans as farm labor. Then they created things like watermills to reduce labor burdens, they created mass prostitution and later monogamy to sedate the masses, but that same sedative quickly became the basis of the new economy. With the emergence of new forms of production and methods that don't require population spam we're now seeing the proper end of the fertility cult. I don't know what happens next.

>>511234625
You take your booster obviously ;^)

>>511234807
I did not. The pandemic was clearly fake. Either infinite growth population spam is good or it's fake. No in between.

>>511226094 (OP)
>globalist neocolonialism
that's a cute way of saying "the jews"

>>511235153
USD (the world reserve) is backed by domestic product, which is people. Bitcoin is minted with electricity. If the value of USD is inflationary, then that means the value of people themselves is being propped up by government and the only thing actually in demand is electricity and digital infrastructure. This isn't the own you think it is.

>>511235016
Was not implying that you did. Just that they blatantly are trying to reduce population/fertility/welfare burdens. I am a believer in these self fulfilling prophecies triggered by hubris of 'great men' and this Tower of Babel they are trying to build wont live up to their expectations. It will backfire like it always does and we all end up fucked over. Plant a garden.

>>511233760
There won't be anywhere left to run soon

>>511235493
I don't need (You) though.

>>511235514
The revolution tends to eat its own children, they know this by now. It's why you see words like 'Thermidor reaction' show up in CIA reports even to this day. The system is very much functioning, just not at scale, it's more like a jenga tower to see how high they can build the pyramid before it all comes crashing down. Elites included, but economists are bugpeople who essentially only think in datapoints their planning only goes as far as they think they can keep stacking the tower there's 0 concern for collapse they'll just collect their data and start again.

>>511235493
You could argue that the value of the USD at this point is simply the fact that it is the world reserve currency and everyone needs it to pay off the interest on their USD denominated debt, in which someone else needs to take out another loan at interest to pay back the initial loan. WW2 was a hell of a drug.

>>511236167
The blind leading the blind leading the blind...... I might have to pour myself a stiff drink tonight.

>>511236406
Currency is a receipt. You got the first coinage around the iron age and mining became a fixture of economics. Prior to this it was granary receipts, it's a measure of energy that's why they used to weigh coins and name their currency after units of measurement. When fossil fuels started being used currency then revolved around factories and coal mines, when the US made oil the main source of energy then production was streamlined even more, there's always going to be debt when you're outproduced by a barrel of oil. The solution to this is either get your own oil or grow your own food, otherwise debt is perpetual they don't need people in coal mines anymore so the weigh-for-weight mining economy fell through.

>>511237846
So is the monetary supply expanding because we are selling more oil? I get what you are saying because its how it should work. But our currency is not backed by commodities because those commodities do not limit the creation of currency. I can agree with that the currency is back by people, not because of the products they create. But by peoples desire/need to use it.