This world is full of shit, suffering and despair, sons of bitches and psychopaths. Why did God create us and release us into this hell? If he is omnipotent, he could come down and fix everything and turn this shitty world into a utopia and a paradise, but he just watch and probably laugh at us. Why? WHY?

>>511273025 (OP)
Yeah. I feel bad for those who can't talk to him. He's right there, literally just sit in a room without distractions and pray lmao

God created you for the Garden. You were supposed to be His right hand man and reign in Eden forever but you (Adam) fucked it up and now as a result you exist here on earth with all its all flaws. The reason you suffer here in this world is because you were not made for this world.

>>511273025 (OP)
Some interesting videos out of Ukraine. Did you see the drone kill that chased him around the tank and when he exploded the smoke looked like a person that kept running. Also the very beginning when the tank ran directly over the guys car and he lived. I'd maybe prefer demigod whatever something like that but its close enough I guess.

>>511273025 (OP)
It's only darkness after death

>>511273264
>blah blah blah
go to hell jew worshipper

>>511273025 (OP)
>Is God real?
Define God
Mine is very real, and it listens to me.

>>511273465
Eat shit you worthless stupid whore.

>>511273025 (OP)
The main reason why people are stuck in bad habits is because it's the way they are subconsciously coping and rebelling against a world that doesn't care about them.
It's a collective vicious circle that encourages apathy and mental laziness.

>>511273264
Why am I supposed to pay for the mistakes of some retard? It's a fucking injustice, and if God is like that, he's not as kind as they claim

>>511273025 (OP)
So, the question you need to ask and seek an answer to is why Jesus had to overcome the world he supposedly created? What does that say about the nature of Time and reality? So for all your suffering, even Spanish suffering, might just be a created thing to help you grow into something worth God's friendship and Time or you can whine on the Internet and get tossed when you fail to provide any type of fruit. Jesus sacrificed Himself and was tempted by offers even the most retarded communist would salivate over in a world He created. Why? If you can figure this out, you will never taste death or Spanish discomfort ever again.

>>511273782
>Why am I supposed to pay for the mistakes of some retard?
Why does your whole foot have to pay the price of amputation just because some faggot toe got cancer?

>>511273264
You can thank Gilgamesh for that. He was suppose to eat the flower of immortality but fell asleep and the snake ate it. Dumb shit.

>>511273025 (OP)
you know there is a whole book about that,
i recommend you read the new testament instead of basing your belief on something your read on this glownigger infested shithole

>Why did God create us and release us into this hell?
to test us, if we believe him or are just selfish sinners who hate him and deserve torture

this place would not be half as bad if people would not constantly fall for every single lie of the devil

>>511273025 (OP)
Heaven is for all but the jews want to play god instead so they make hell for most.

>>511273025 (OP)
how do you know this is not the minimum amount of evil for the greatest possible good?
you can't even predict a double pendulum, let alone the state of the world a year after any specific evil act
this is the best of all possible worlds

>>511273025 (OP)
Deja vue

>>511274501
>Heaven is for all
If only you knew, little brother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRrdOcTBeo

>>511273949
So I'm just that, a "foot". I have no individualism. I lack freedom. So why do I have to pay in the " afterlife" for sins I could not escape from in the first place? So the concept of responsibility in Christianity is also bullshit?

>>511274703
>this is the best of all possible worlds

Kek

>>511274401
Why would a being who is all benevolence have the need to make us play such a cruel game? Why, if he is omnipotent, has he created us imperfect? If he is omniscient, why test us? From the beginning he knew who would and who would not go to hell. Does he get off on our torture?

>>511274792
>So I'm just that, a "foot".
Yes, we all are. We are all part of the same thing. Energy and Divine Consciousness. We are the Universe dreaming itself and we are collectively all one. Your foot and your toe are both a part of You.

>" afterlife"
Who says there is one? Who says you have to pay for anything there?

>responsibility
Cause and Effect. Karma. You are responsible for your own actions because All Actions Have An Equal And Opposite Reaction. This rule applies to real life, the right here, the ETERNAL NOW THAT YOU / WE / GOD ALWAYS INHABITS

>>511273025 (OP)
i've never really "got" the "problem of suffering"
if you're a Christian, you know why there's suffering and the fact that there's redemption in it for you and the world.
if you're an atheist, when you're suffering is when God is the most apprehendable.
people don't typically look for meaning and God when they're surrounded by pleasure.

>>511273349
I don't watch ukraine drone much, maybe like 5% of it, yet somehow I remember both of these.

Yeah, OP, why post some literal maggots? Or, like some other retard does here, african animals eating each other alive?

Ukrainian drone footage is the best illustration for your thesis.

As for the answer, I honestly dunno. I wish there was God, but in my whole life I haven't witnessed anything supernatural while seen enough of suffering, not just human, but overall.

I know that chrisitans have all this talk about theodicy and so on. Not sure if it's convincing though.

But: if apocalypse is to come, I wish it comes sooner.

Maybe I sometimes envy retarded vaxxies who die peacefully in their sleep from heart attack when the old age hasn't damaged their health and clarity of their mind yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3GaQB_RkA

>>511273264
>Be omniscient
>Create a conscious being you know will falter
>Punish him for the thing that you know he'll do
>He has to live in a death cult, and worshipping you in eternity and and that's the reward
>Somehow makes that better than the alternative
The Christian God is a fucking cunt. Gnostics and pagans are right.

>>511273025 (OP)
yes

>>511274925
nobody cares about your kali yuga nonsense

>>511275303
it's more like
>be omniscient
>create free creature capable of moral good or evil
>know he may choose evil, but that's the price of genuine freedom
>allow suffering, because a world with free will is more valuable than a robotic paradise
>enter the world yourself and suffer in order to redeem it
>offer eternal joy and an eternal physical life on a renewed earth not through coercion, but love freely chosen

>>511273025 (OP)
Why don't you think about it for a bit and realize a utopia is even worse than a dystopia. This world is the price of free will, like it or not. Its very likely you agreed to reincarnate into this world, let that sink in. Suffering allows for growth, without it there is only stagnation, which is worse than death.

>>511273264
>(Adam) fucked it up
Funny that's not how I read it. Not laying blame. Water under the bridge.

>>511273025 (OP)
Maybe God is fixing things.

>>511274968
Screw the kike bullshit bro. Yes God is a thing but it's everywhere and everything. When you die that's it lights out and you go back to where you came from before you were born. But everything is God everywhere. Take the pantheism pill bro.

And before any of you Christians start harping on me. I was raised Roman Catholic and confirmed as well. Went to catechism and everything. Only did it for my folks though never believed the fucking word of it. Now that I'm older and have read on the history of how Christianity was invented I knew I was right.
Also could you imagine being in eternity? I mean you die and you wake up in heaven or hell or whatever. You're there for eternity. Fucking eternity you can't wrap your head around that nobody can. Our brain cannot grasp eternity nor Infiniti

Unfortunately there is no God, but if you can muster up belief in a religious system, it will guide your life better than atheism ever could. Although I am an atheist, all that atheism has ever produced is terrible. Humans without guiding philosophy are higher IQ animals behaving animalistically, religion tries to move us towards something.

However, God is just not true, but as I said if you can believe in God, do it because it's way better than being an atheist.

Using just faith and the KJV Bible it's possible to transform this "shit world" in heaven on earth.
All you gotta do is realize that everything that is is God's intention and he knows better than you.
Once you accept that and the fact that Jesus said heaven was internal not external, you realize you were always in heaven and all suffering ceases.
Permanently.

God the concept exists, but not in a way we can comprehend in this stage of evolutionary consciousness. Both the Sasquatch people and extraterrestrials -- who are far superior to us categorically anatomically modern human idiots -- have asserted the notion of a God.

Yes but he's a literal retard

>>511275005
How do you deal with sabotage?

>>511275972
>I'm older and have read on the history of how Christianity was invented
tell me more
>You're there for eternity. Fucking eternity you can't wrap your head around that nobody can.
i can, since we're talking about a potential infinite with a fixed starting point rather than an actual infinite.

>>511276125
Depends on the source, but in general, by knowing about it ahead of time usually works.

>>511273025 (OP)
The world is an illusion. Pain and suffering are not real. You will wake up to realize this when you die.

>>511275986
what makes you so certain?

>>511273025 (OP)
i believe that this world, on the individual soul level, is something like a harry potter school for souls to develop their qualities, grow by overcoming obstacles, and ultimately get closer to God.
on the macro level, if i had to guess, Earth is something like a game board with a game being played on it by much larger archetypal forces (personified in mythology by gods or symbols, like light and darkness, good and evil) which might be extraterrestrial, interdimensional in character (or both)

suffering serves a purpose, anon. nothing is meaningless. it's all symbols. the people who try and tell you it's meaningless are the ones trying to win by lying, because their belief system and spirituality is inverted- they say that lying to win isn't a bad thing.

try to be kind to others, build the world you want to live in, overcome the psychopaths, alleviate the suffering of others, spread Light. keep your head up. this world is not our real home, it's just a place we come to test ourselves, and grow in the process.

i recommend reading the work of Dr Michael Newton, Dr Brian Weiss, Dr Melvin Morse, Dr Rick Moody, Dr Ian Stevenson, anything about near death experiences or past life regression therapy for more. My favorite is "Journey of Souls" by Dr Michael Newton, personally.

Don't give up! Your suffering is not in vain!
One wise man who has one foot in the spirit world told me something about this that i remember: He said, "Maybe God hears prayers from people who are suffering a little more clearly"

>>511275720
The majority of your list of arguments could be, and are, used by dictatorships to justify their atrocities.

>>enter the world yourself and suffer in order to redeem it
The idea that a human sacrifice 'redeems' something is an immoral idea in and of itself.

>not through coercion,
Ridiculous argument. By your logic a man putting a gun to your head and asking for all your money or he'll shoot isn't 'coercing' you either. And the guy with a gun to your head is only threatening to kill you, not threatening to torture you for all eternity.

>>511275720
>spongebob narrator voice
>2,025 years later...
what the fuck. pull the plug. how much more evil and bullshit do we need to inflict on each other? Everything humans do is inherently pointless anyway. Earth is one big dumb sandbox with endless timesinks to pour your life into. The show's over.

>>511275720
God doesn't create free creatures. He places extreme constraints on you; race/gender/sexuality/country of birth/IQ/upbringing, never mind us being stuck on this planet and you have an extremely limited choice as to what you can even do in your life.

If God wanted souls to experience free will, why not let us entirely choose and be conscious of that choice? Is it that we humans made all this up to enforce moral systems and that simple explanation made sense, until it didn't?

So much of our lives is chosen for us like 99% and then within that small amount we do choose, we can ruin our lives with a few bad small choices? So then we have to suffer for eternity for that 1% choice? Oh never mind, we can then make a .00001% choice saying a specific God exists and this grants us a perfect existence forever.

So basically:
We get no choice
With the limited choice we get, we can ruin our lives
And if we don't believe in God, we have to suffer for that 1% we did choose

Not rational or logical like you'd expect a God to be, oh and of course God doesn't need to prove himself to us or anything. Surely that is somehow a good idea to doom billions to eternal hell because he wants to sit around and do nothing while we suffer in life and then suffer forever. OR we just made these things up to help us cope with life and enforce morality.

>>511276329
i don't like that framing, usually it's delivered from holier-than-thou people who are trying to project an air of wisdom and often have never really had that hard of a time in this life. i mean try and tell a homeless single mom with a history of trauma and abuse that suffering isn't real, while you are sitting in an air conditioned car. you get what i mean.

i understand what you're saying, though, and generally agree- i would frame it as "this material world is not our true home, our physical body is just a vehicle for our soul, and we each individually chose to come here to experience hardship and dense material reality and try to overcome challenges to help our souls develop"

>>511276531
I dedicated much of my life to being the best person I could be, sowing as much good as I could, it never returned to me. My life got progressively worse until I live in physical/psychological pain I cannot escape from. I would've preferred non existence and no way I as a soul would've ever consented to this existence, being good for nothing AND losing everything I love.

That and the obvious easy 100+ inconsistencies anybody can point out about religion. If there is a God, it's not one that is described in any religion where good conquers evil or if you are good, good things follow.

>>511276602
you're using reductio ad absurdem, cheap youtuber/twitch streamer debate tactics, instead of trying to have a productive discussion. this is especially egregious because this a spiritual conversation, where nobody knows the truth. your hostility has no place here. please go post in a BBC thread, or better yet leave this site and never post here again.

also, why don't you take off that memeflag? what are you hiding? what are you attempting to signal?

>>511273025 (OP)
'Real' refers to reality, to matters of fact, but "God" is not accessible to objective verification and therefore, by definition, is no matter of fact. God is an idea and as such he of course exists and is intuitively true, just like the Pythagorean theorem, that is intuitively true because it does not depend on anything in the real world but only on the relations of certain ideas.

>>511273025 (OP)
Read the Bible. I mean really read it. Then draw your conclusions. Long story short, God created free will (kind of like how humans created AI). Free will needs a check/balance in order to exist. That check/balance is what came to be called sin/evil. As as everything is balanced, there is can be joy, beauty, love, humanity. An angel takes sin and becomes Satan. Satan gives sin to man and man becomes us. God declares the bloodline covenant of the Messiah to bring back balance. Satan is cast out of heaven around the early 1900s and he decides to rule over it, plunging the earth into greater evil and suffering with what little time he has left before Armageddon.

>>511274401
Sounds unnecessary/malevolent

>>511276213
What if that doesn't work?

>>511273025 (OP)
>wwwaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>511276868
I'm not 'using' anything. It's just an obvious point to make about the 'choices' being offered to a person.
>hostility
The only thing that could be considered vaguely hostile is when I said the argument is ridiculous. If that's hostile for you then I can't imagine posting here much in general.

>>511276635
>If God wanted souls to experience free will, why not let us entirely choose and be conscious of that choice?
what makes you think we don't get any say in the matter? what makes you so confident that you know all the details of the reincarnation/transmigration/metempsychosis process?

all the literature on the topic, from NDE's/thanatology/regression therapy, indicates that humans actually work with their "spirit guides"/higher selves to choose life situations prior to incarnating which will give them the chance to work on specific issues, often incarnating with people they have lived with before

seems like you, and other posters in this thread, are attempting to push a demoralizing, anti-God agenda, designed to make posters angry and feel helpless, meaningless, enslaved.

now why would someone (or a group of people, or a swarm of LLM agents) want to do that? riddle me that. what a strange way to spend your time.

>>511276602
>The majority of your list of arguments could be, and are, used by dictatorships to justify their atrocities.
they weren't really arguments, just a silly irreverent portrayal of the Christian narrative through the perspective of the creator in meme arrows matching the anon's i was replying to.
the mere use of a justification by dictators doesn't automatically discredit it. any idea, even ones grounded in truth or ethics can be twisted for evil eneds. dictators justify atrocities based on control and dominance, the Christian narrative emphasizes love and freedom, not manipulation and authoritarianism.
>human sacrifice is immoral
it's not a human forced into sacrifice, it's God choosing to suffer out of love. this is self-sacrifice, not imposed violence.
the cross is not a transactional blood ritual, it's the ultimate voluntary gift to restore a broken relationship between God and humanity.
>coercion
coercion implies limited free choice through overwhelming threat. my view is that hell is not a divine threat but the logical consequence of freely chosen separation from God. the "man with the gun" analogy fails because God isn't robbing you, he's offering you what you already lack, eternal joy. you can say no, even knowing the consequences. the idea isn't "torture" as punishment, it's estrangement from source-of-goodness, which results in eternal separation. whether one sees that as torment or simply loss depends on their theological framework.

>>511273025 (OP)
>the human experience is a test of your soul's ability to govern over your animalistic desires.
>accepting Christ is not about making a pledge to some historical figure, it is a state of consciousness achievable through self discipline and applied control over "the beast". All faiths have a path to this state of consciousness.
>The kingdom of God is at least somewhat comprised of a school or forum of debate, hence the ongoing dialogue before and after Satan's fall. It seems the purpose of humanity's free will, self-aware consciousness, and obvious earthly tests in determining truth from deceit; are geared toward ascending into a state of consciousness where we play a role in such a forum.

>>511277060
whatever, memeflaggot.

anyway, anyone attempting to make a definitive pronouncement on the reincarnation/soul journey process is a little bit like a blind man trying to describe an elephant. in your case, you are like a homosexual blind man who is feeling the elephant's trunk and comparing it to a large african american penis, but speaking loudly and in simple, childlike words, because you are both gay and retarded.

>>511277235
based Logos-poster

Yes He is. And what you describe is the consequence of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden apple, the knowledge of good and evil, which only God is able to properly comprehend and process. So this world has a mixture of good and evil. But Christ redeemed us of our sin, so that those who embrace Him can be a part of his eternal kingdom in the afterlife.

>>511277114
The fact we don't have any recollection of having a say obviously. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, nobody know.

For all these apparent guides working, the world is a total shitshow in the last 100 years and it's basically the way it always was, a barbaric nightmare. Just a more technologically advanced one now.

Or its not an agenda and I think what I'm saying is true which you're not really disputing, you're just mentioning one part of my argument and then saying I cant be 100% certain.

I'm just passing the time is what I'm personally doing. Atheism is bad and religious/spiritual beliefs guide your life better, it's just that they're also not true.

>>511273025 (OP)
There's no point, just adopt nihilism and hedonism. Christcucks deprive themselves for nothing, they're literally tricked into missing lit on life.

>>511277013
Because you're right. God is a judge, not a torturer. The catholics are heavily flawed in their belief that God is an extension of Satan and vice versa.

>>511273025 (OP)
>Is God real?
Yeah me, next question?

>>511276635
yes, race, gender, geography and innate traits shape our experiences, but don't negate freedom. they define the context of choice, not the absence.
constraints make choices meaningful. if we were all identical in a frictionless utopia, what would "freedom" even signify?
radical freedom sounds great but lacks coherence. choosing your own IQ or gender before birth presupposes a conscious agent that exists outside of spacetime, something that's metaphysically thorny. some limitations are necessary to ground moral agency in a coherent reality.
life's moral weight ties precisely in its unpredictability. the fact that choices can shape eternity makes them precious. the "unfairness" of moral consequences isn't unique to religion, even secular justice systems punish based on momentary decisions, the stakes just get cosmic here.
hell isn't an imposed torment, it's a chosen separation. if someone persistently rejects God, even when fully informed, God respects that autonomy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF-3L1Nx_Lg&list=PLQRcmjUC9-SwbOMglj7DRwl8TgKGX8fep&index=1
Here is a profound truth, for those with eyes and ears that work and realize we have been lied to for a very long time.

>>511277029
Sometimes you eat the bear, anon, and sometimes the bear eats you. But if you do it right, it will always Work.

>>511277642
Hello, Satanon.

>>511277132
>it's not a human forced into sacrifice, it's God choosing to suffer out of love. this is self-sacrifice, not imposed violence.
I'm aware of the allegorical implications of the story but that isn't what believers usually interpret it as.

Human sacrifice is immoral even if the participant is willing. And more so, it's immoral in a 2nd way because the idea of sacrificing a human to rid yourself of crime doesn't make any sense. It's the same idea as a scapegoat.

If you murder someone and say 'ah, but I've passed my sins onto this goat that I'm sending into the desert to die' that doesn't make you any less of a murderer nor does it make your crime, or 'sin' removed from you.
In fact there is no way to rid yourself of a crime. You can apologize for it and really mean it, and in some cases the person you've wronged might accept your apology but that still doesn't mean you never did it. It's there forever just like all our decisions are because we can't go back in time and undo them.

>coercion implies limited free choice through overwhelming threat.
Right, and you can't get much more overwhelming of a threat than infinite punishment for finite crimes.

>the idea isn't "torture" as punishment
You're talking about a system that God created. The way this is set up is his doing from the get go. You don't get to be the creator of the universe and everything in it and then say 'well this system where you get tortured forever for not believing in this one religion isn't coercion because it's just the way the cookie crumbles'.

I'd also say it's a deeply immoral teaching because it terrifies children, and terrifies a lot of adults too for good reason. You can talk about the offer but the bottom line is you're being given two choices, eternal torture or 'go by the book'. That's a terrifying choice and like having a gun to your head.

>>511276916
> free will
In a world of cause and effect there is only freedom of action possible, no freedom of will.

The reality of God is real and he is then he is not omnipotent. That is not to say he weak though.
He's stronger than any human ever mad. Smarter too.
The reality God is it good.
Anyone who's actually the Bible and not just Paul's love letters to Jesus will tell you that God is not only evil but actually insane on top of it.
The idiots that worship him are enemies of humanity.

>>511276817
>I dedicated much of my life to being the best person I could be, sowing as much good as I could, it never returned to me.
how do you get "therefore, God does not exist" from this?
where were you promised some karmic reward in this life for good deeds, instead of trials and suffering?

>That and the obvious easy 100+ inconsistencies anybody can point out about religion.
give me your top 3 and a half.

>>511277829
What if you want to dance with the Bear?

>>511277249
>Bunch of ad homs
Words of a man with no argument.
If you're in a discussion about big claims being made about eternal damnation then you should expect the argument in question to be somewhat intense. It's a serious subject, unlike you I haven't been rude to anyone ITT.

>haha I will create lesser creatures and give them thought and watch them bicker
>haha I will create lesser creatures and give them speech and watch them bicker
>haha I will create lesser creatures and give them children and watch them bicker

>>511277919
I am a slave to my own desires?

Dear pagans your god drinks semen
my god gives people cancer.
see the difference?

>>511278127
Based God
I always knew my sadism was divine.

>>511277038
I look like this and talk like this and live in a beautiful place but when I'm feeling bad it's like living in isolated rural hell.

Also seeing all the gore on pol doesn't help

>>511277906
>>511277132
Ran out of characters*

>idea isn't "torture" as punishment, it's estrangement from source-of-goodness, which results in eternal separation
Right, and that in itself is an unfair system because you know there's a lot of overall good people who believe in other religions or don't believe in any, and there's a lot of religious people who have done some terrible things.
Given that everyone knows that's true, it's fair to say basing being in touch or estranged from the 'source of all goodness' as based on belief in one religion is an arbitrary way to do it. That means a lot of nice people are getting tortured forever meanwhile a lot of shitty people, or even borderline shitty people aren't.

And as some other anon said, God already knows what we're all going to do. He knows before you were born if you're going to grow up a believer or not so he's 'allowing' you to go to eternal torture. (Which in itself creates deterministic issues but that's another discussion)

>>511277710
They really do if you stop and think about it. But if you want to dismiss it, sure they don't.

Except if one is positing that God exists because we can choose things, they should show that the free will God created is perfect, far from it. It's a total nightmare for a good chunk of humanity, in the sort of way that would happen if there was no God and then some hairy apes tried to explain it if there was.

That's another thing "fully informed," why does God not fully inform us then? God would clearly save billions more if he was active in our world and didn't just watch like a cuck as life degrades because the little retards he created are little retards.

God didn't maximize or even come close to maximizing our free will/expression, just the opposite really
God doesn't try to fully inform us to the point where religions have to explain away other religions by saying things like "yeah all non believers go to hell BUT it's up to God" (because the idea sounds so crazy to punish people who had no choice, but it's what we came up with and nobody stress tested the system like we do now)
God creates these extremely flawed beings who fail their first and simplest test, instead of realizing that raising retards is hard, God just gives up and kicks out the retards, your average human with retarded children does a better job of caring for them than God does for humanity as a whole

So, you're GOD. I'm GOD. Everything around you is GOD. There is nothing separate from GOD or else GOD couldn't be GOD. If you haven't realized this yet, it's because the entire system is much more sinister than you think, and has purposefully kept this information from you because it wouldn't make a very few select people money.

Sit with it for a while if you think I'm joking or not being serious, then sit with it some more. You CAN talk to GOD. Everything good and bad is GOD. Every single religion points to it, all forms of spirituality point to it, all the media you consume points to it. You'll begin to laugh, and cry, and laugh some more (and cry some more) when you start "waking up" and realizing the little synchronicities and signs that show you this is the truth, and that's all it is, and all it ever has been.

There's a lot more. A year ago, maybe two, on /x/ (prior to having to wait to post), there was a large group piecing many things together that eventually got enough people pissed off that caused the waiting period to be enacted. Rapid fire posts of people realizing the truth and spreading it was not beneficial for their plans. A lot of folks left /x/ after that, including myself.

There's a lot more to this. Outside of 4chan, plenty of people are coming to this understanding themselves (whether they know it yet or not). People are "waking up" so to say, which is the second coming of Christ, or of "knowledge".

So, there's the actual, functional spiritual side of things, and then there's the, "Why more people don't know." Earthly side of things- the "story" or "plot" so to speak. It's a lot more noticeable now thanks to how actively crazy Israel has become, but it does have to do with the Zionists (and the spiritual groups behind them, and the spiritual groups behind those groups). A lot of folding inside itself and outside itself and all which ways around, which you'll come to see is a pattern (or THE pattern).

>>511273025 (OP)
Aww man, that's an Alligator Lizard tail. They don't drop them as easy as others because they are REALLY stubborn and mean but other things break them off if they try and attack them. It'll never grow back as well as the original.

I caught some when I was younger and their tails would be twice their body size. One was 2 feet long total.

They're bitey at first, but also pretty smart so they calm down after a couple days and are really friendly once they get used to you. Fun pets. Actually like interaction with their owners. The tails are prehensile and they might hang from your arm when playing with them, just be careful.

All the species look pissed off 24/7, but they're usually not.

>>511273025 (OP)
God got bored and left us to our own devices.

>>511277906
you say human sacrifice is immoral even if voluntary, but what do you mean by "immoral?"
is it immoral to give one's life for another in wartime or for a loved one? we rightly admire someone who jumps in front of a bullet for a loved one. why would a divine act of voluntary sacrifice be viewed as immoral? there is a difference between sacrificial love and ritualistic appeasement. the Christian view aligns with the former.
your "scapegoat" analogy presupposes that guilt cannot be relationally or ontologically addressed. but Christianity posits a divine being who absorbs the moral weight of sin, not merely symbolically transfers it.

you liken hell to coercion, but coercion implies lack of choice. the choice here isn't about arbitrary rules but relationship, with the divine source of goodness. eternal separation isn't imposed by force but flows from a free rejection of that source. a loving God respects that freedom, even when it leads to painful consequences.
the existence of hell is troubling, yet. but if God is the locus of goodness, joy and life itself, then to reject God is to reject the very conditions of flourishing. hell isn't divine spite, it's the logical outworking of a life turned inward, sealed from grace.

dictators manipulate and coerce for personal gain. the Christian narrative depicts a God who empties himself, suffers, and dies to offer rescue. that's not tyranny, it's kenotic love. power is wielded here not to dominate but to serve.

>>511277982
"Reap what you sow"

Turns into "WELL LIFE IS HARD." Fun fact even in the Job story, Job gets back DOUBLE what he had after enduring a few years of hardship, not a lifetime of it, that was AFTER he had a good life. Two things that never happened to me; having a good life or then losing it and getting double. It was varying degrees of bad that became alright for a bit and then everything good got destroyed and is dead forever.

God's big reason for creating us is to give us free will. Problem; our free will is extremely limited in ways us idiotic humans could easily envision better designs.

The stories in these religions are entirely non verifiable. God could upload a video on youtube of them happening and convert billions overnight, he doesn't in the way that would happen if there was no God and we just made these things up.

God's lack of intervention at all is exactly what we'd expect if there was no God, not 1.God creates retards 2.Retards behave like retards 3.Instead of God accepting and caring for his retards, he tells them to go figure it out on their own, soething that us humans don't even do to their own offspring (if retarded)

>>511278449
>>511277132
>whether one sees that as torment or simply loss depends on their theological framework.
Right, which ends up getting kind of similar to other religion's ideas. Some people say this fits into the idea of reincarnation where in each life you progress from the last in some way.

>>511278449
>Right, and that in itself is an unfair system because... good people of other faiths...
yeah, goodness matters. and Christianity doesn't deny that.
but it doesn't reduce salvation to moral resume either. Christianity centers less on moral performance and more on relational orientation, whether a person genuinely seeks truth, goodness, and the divine source of it all. it's not a belief in a religion that determins proximity to God, but whether one ultimately chooses God, however faintly or obscurely that choice manifests.
>The system is arbitrary... nice people punished, bad people rewarded...
but here's the philosophical turn, if God is the source of all goodness, then eternal life is union with that source, not a reward for being nice, but a restoration of communion. separation isn't punishment in the punitive sense, it's the natural consequence of choosing autonomy over grace. there's no exclusion based on religious label, the deeper question is "do you choose the light when it's offered?"
>God already knows what we’ll do.. sounds deterministic...
alvin plantinga has a whole argument on this, called the "free will defense" where he distinguishes foreknowledge from determinism. knowing what someone freely chooses isn't the same as causing that choice. divine omniscience doesn't override autonomy, it reflects a timeless awareness, not a coercive plan. God doesn't trap anyone into hell, He permits the freedom that makes love and moral agency possible, even when that freedom leads tragically away from Him.

>>511273025 (OP)
god doesnt care, he just runs the simulation.
once you accept that you'll stop asking stupid questions.

>>511273025 (OP)
i would explain it but you are too dumb to get it. short answer yeah there is a god. good or bad is anyones guess, one argument for good is god pretending it doesnt exist so you have the illusion of free existance and not fear of a almighty gigachad who made your enclosed system known as reality with infinite rules and its controlling factor being outside the enclosed system so it doesnt change into not being a controlling factor of said rules

as i said you wouldnt get it

>>511278004
>What if you want to dance with the Bear?
You domesticate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rRgr5SU8eE

>>511273025 (OP)
Christianity is the most cucked of all with core tenants being to love thy neighbor and "When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them", blacks and indians are equals made in the image of god. Racism and preserving ones nation is antithetical to Christianity. It may be real but that is irreverent considering I will go to hell for disagreeing with being a good little cuck goy.

>>511278903
sounds like you need a hug more than a philosophical back and forth. (don't read this with sarcasm)

>>511276723
The Vale of Soul-Making

>>511279603
That wouldn't change anything, but part of religious lore is that if you follow it good results happen. So I get why you wouldn't want to debate points with somebody that has experience with the opposite. Not only do you not get good results, you can lose everything for nothing and with nothing to look forward to.

>>511278014
Is that Karl Marx in your pic?

>>511273025 (OP)
A god of pure evil might exist. But a benevolent god does not.

>>511273025 (OP)

>>511278737
They used to be everywhere when I was a kid.
I miss those guys.

>>511279952
People with your mindset that have a billion dollars want to see people just like you suffer horrible and painful moments of every waking second

>>511279823
i'd narrow the scope to the Christian worldview in particular.
the greatest of our saints didn't get "good results," they died in agony. peter was crucified upside down, paul was beheaded, james was stoned and thrown off a building and clubbed to death (in some order). the Bible's heroes often lost everything with heaven as their only hope.

you're right that many people peddle a "prosperity gospel" but that's a modern distortion. Christianity has always been about carrying a cross, not cashing in karma. if your standard for rejecting theism in general is "i wasn't rewarded" you're holding God to a deal He never promised.

>>511278108
You are a "slave" to your empirical character, to your inner tendencies and inclinations. And you can't choose it, you acquire it with everything else in existence. It's innate. It's in your DNA. It's your fate. How you got this particular existence is a different question and Schopenhauer claims your metaphysical will chose it in some "realm of intelligible freedom". But this is highest tier of speculation. Schopenhauer at least admits he can't prove it.

Serious question-are most of you suffering that much?
I've been sick for about 2 and a half years, I have a doctor's appointment in a week about some horrible shit in my throat and esophagus; probably not good news. It's like I'm imprisoned inside my body, but I've never been closer to God like I am today.
Before this, I was pretty anxious and depressed, but it wasn't that bad. I'm just grateful that I was ever alive, that I got to experienc this world through my own eyes. I was never worthy, but the light still shone my way if for a moment in time.

>>511280374

Or we could just be making that up as a means of encouraging good behavior and discouraging bad behavior. Hence why there are all sorts of inconsistencies about it that are not at all explained; horrendous people getting in, good people going to hell, God providing no proof of it.

God could provide proof this very second and save billions by uploading a video showing hell/heaven, he doesn't which dooms the retards he created to eternal suffering after they suffer a good deal here on earth. Does that sound perfect and logical to you?

Nah that's in the bible, it's just the whole thing isn't very consistent so you can always dismiss parts of it. "Oh reap what you sow doesn't always work (except when we tell you it does."

Personally I can't even conceptualize heaven because I don't want to see anyone again or do anything, I just want to not exist. Of course most humans don't feel that way so heaven is an idea that brings them comfort, hope and pushes them to good behavior/away from bad behavior. Aka something we'd make up considering it yields good results and it could potentially be true (despite no evidence).

>>511273025 (OP)
You don't care about any of this. The bible has the answers, but you hate God and don't want anything to do with the truth.

gtfo already.

>>511273139
I read Conan the Barbarian too but it's not real anon. Neither is Harry Potter. Pure blood doesn't matter.

>>511273025 (OP)
I never asked for this battle against kikes enslaving the world.
Problem is everyone else is retarded and enjoys their enslavement.

>>511280785
if religion were purely a social tool, why would its founders invent stories that got them tortured and killed? peter didn't benefit from being crucified upside down, he died insisting he'd seen a resurrected Jesus. liars make up comfortable lies, not "follow me and you'll be flayed alive." that doesn't prove Christianity is true, but it undermines the "it's just behavioral programming" argument.

you're demanding God act like a lab experiement, "upload the video or you're fake." but if God's goal is a relationship (not coercion), proof would eliminate faith, and with it, free will. imagine if hell/heaven were proven like gravity, you'd believe out of terror, not love. that's not a relationship, it's divine blackmail.
the counterargument is weak, it's a different paradigm. you're judging a system designed for meaningful choice by standards that would destroy choice itself.

you're right that Christians often cherry pick, but that's a human flaw, not a Bible flaw. the "reap what you sow" principle is consistent if you read it in context. it's about spiritual consequences (Galatians 6:8), not karma. meanwhile, Jesus explicitly says "many who are first will be last" (Matthew 19:30) undercutting any prosperity gospel.
the real issue isn't inconsistency in the text, but inconsistency in how people misuse it.

your rejecting heaven because you can't conceptualize wanting it, but that's like a blind man rejecting color. your despair is valid, but doesn't disprove a reality beyond your current desires. as for "we'd make it it up because it's useful" that's the marx/freud critique, but it's a genetic fallacy.
whether an idea comforts people have no bearing on its veracity. gravity isn't false because it's scary or true because it's useful. the question is "does it align with reality" and that brings us back to evidence, like the martyrdom you're dismissing as made up.

>>511280785
>can't even conceptualize heaven
You're not meant to understand God in His entirety. Trying to gain foothold over God was the first deception that made us fall and live in sin and now we carry the burden in today's time.
Fortunately we are saved in faith in Him alone and that Jesus Christ son of man as said by John 3 16, died for us. Our God created everything with free will as part of His love. Those not of His love make themselves seen and known.

>>511281315
Because they believed it. It caught on because it was effective at behavioral programming not because the founders set out that way.

No I'm asking for a modicum of proof, there is infinite degeneracy/negativity in the world (which God allows), I think for God to upload something small which shouldn't be hard is not a crazy expectation. I think it's so simple and such a good point that it just has to be dismissed.

"Why shouldn't God do something simple to show he exists and save billions?" Oh God doesn't have to conform to your worldview
"Why doesn't God intervene in a country like North Korea which is literal hell on earth, show his might and thus convert billions?" Uh uh, he doesn't need to!!!

Basically God doesn't need to do 1 insignificant (for him) action to prove his worth but humans need a lifetime of actions or enduring a lifetime of suffering for him? And WE are the "bad ones?"

Except God doesn't clarify the dogma hence a trillion schisms exist, God COULD clarify, he doesn't, thus damning many people. God owes nothing to us after he made us as retards LOL, cmon bro.

Nah that's not what I mean, a blind man has never seen color, I've seen concepts that would be included in heaven, not really much but a very small experience in some good things. I'm talking about heaven as outlined, I personally don't want to see anyone again or do anything, but I get why people would believe in it because most are not like that (defeated).

God could prove himself. He chooses not to.
God could uplift the world in a massive way in any second. He chooses not to.
God admits we are retards that fail the simplest thing, he then allows the most evil thing in existence (satan) to torture us here on earth.

None of these things are remotely close to a perfect God and this basic logic is something anybody could accept. If you had retarded children (like God created us), you wouldn't leave them on Epstein's island (like God does here on earth with Satan).

>>511280576
Sorry to hear that hombre
I'm about a year and a bit into some miserable motor issues. I burned everything I had on private appointments and got fuck all out of it, and now through the public health system I'm stuck on a 10 month waiting list for an mri of my spine.
I think I'm killing myself this Christmas.

>>511273655
An all-powerful, conscious entity who is responsible for the creation of all reality?

>>511273025 (OP)
your understanding of God is less than a childs, that's why

>>511283032
Then explain

>>511281899
i'd like to circle back to the hug.
your arguments aren't disproving theism, they're raging at a universe where suffering exists.
more "i don't like the way this is being handled by God" than "God cannot exist."
Christianity agrees the world is broken, the divide is whether there's a healer.

>>511273349
castration is in your creators future

>>511274792
The game is a foot

>>511273025 (OP)
We're here for less than 120 years. Relax. Some people wish they could stay longer. There is something better after this. Don't worry so much. Just try to make this place better by treating people right. You can't fix this world, it's not meant to be fixed.

>>511283233
According to you, but who made you the God of logic? Even your description of me, I have to be obviously the "raging one" while you are stoic and reasonable? Lol except without debating my points. Truth is regardless though, I could be raging and right, you could be socially perfect and wrong.

Yeah it's a shame God gave me such a faulty brain, kind of like he created Adam and Eve (as retards). Obviously we should never blame the perfect creator LOL, that's unreasonable and raging!

Except the genesis of that breaking is God's fault:
1.Is perfect
2.Creates retards
3.Lets his most evil being torture said retards
4.Does nothing

OR we just made that ridiculous thing up because it makes zero sense when you really think about it.

>>511273247
her
don't be gay.

>>511277029
karma is a bitch, and she knows it

>>511278004
>what if you want to fuck the bitch
you get fucked

>>511274792
>why do I have to pay in the " afterlife" for sins I could not escape from in the first place?
You don't. That's the point of Christ's sacrifice. You won't go to hell unless you are a deeply evil person who is essentially hollow. Like a Rothschild or something.

Honestly you underestimate how merciful and loving God is. You "pay" for your sins here on Earth in the sense that if you keep sinning it will destroy you from the inside.

But I think even an atheist will have a change of heart when they meet God. God won't send them to hell for not believing before they've even met Him. Jesus never expected anyone to mindlessly believe in something they couldn't see or understand. That's why he showed miracles.

>>511273025 (OP)
>Why did God create us and release us into this hell?
Do you know sitcoms? That's you for god, enjoy eternal hell.

>>511273025 (OP)
the demiurge made this to torture our souls
even if it seems hopeless, you must look within to find salvation
i am so very lonely in my room...

>>511283659
My life is just a big joke?

>>511283557
>let me try to forcefully convince everyone to accept my version of reality instead of accepting reality

sound like faggotry to me, kettle

>>511275891
Well, you see, the bible says Eve was deceived but Adam was not. Eve (woman) was also made to be Adam's helper. Men are supposed to lead anon. I interpret this as men having superior judgement.

>>511283718
well, i laughed

>>511283718
>>511283984
and btw if you're taking life that seriously you need stop and smell some flowers, "touch grass" as the trolls say

but yeah I did laugh, still laughing

>>511281977
Oh, that. Sure. It's You. You're just not aware of yourself the same you You are not aware of the cells in Your toenail.

>>511283513
you're right, you could be raging and correct. but emotion doesn't determine truth. so let's strip the tone and address the substance.
>God made retards
Christianity agrees that humans are flawed, that's the whole point of the Cross. if we were competent, we wouldn't need a savior. your outrage assumes we deserve better, but why? if God doesn't exist, "flaws" are just nature's indifference. your anger implies a standard of justice beyond nature. where's that coming from?
>God lets satan torture us
satan's power is limited (Job 1:12, Luke 22:31). evil exists because free will exists.
you're assuming a world with free will but no evil is possible, but even atheist philosophers like JL Mackey concede this fails logically. alvin plantinga proved it rigorously, if creatures have genuine freedom, some will choose evil in any possible world (transworld depravity)
God could've made puppets or robots, but not free beings who guarantee zero suffering. your objection isn't with Christianity, it's with modal logic.
this is why atheist critiques now focus on the experiential or evidential (not logical) problem of evil.

the real shouldn't be "why does evil exist" but "does evil matter?"
only theism explains why your outrage at suffering isn't just chemical noise.

>>511273025 (OP)
I found love, have had some great times with friends, and now have the sweetest kid and a lil baby I expect to be more of the same.
Spend your 'suffering' building something you actually enjoy.
>>511273717
True. Took a while for me to get out of that rut from a poor upbringing. There's a couple friends from highschool that never got out of it and are still basically children that abuse weed.
>>511283637
>But I think even an atheist will have a change of heart when they meet God. God won't send them to hell for not believing before they've even met Him. Jesus never expected anyone to mindlessly believe in something they couldn't see or understand. That's why he showed miracles.
Crazy, I've constantly heard to opposite. Unbaptised babies tossed into purgatory, hell for atheists etc. If I died and didn't just case to exist, I'd hear out whatever's there, I live a good life and apologise for almost nothing (barring the three cringiest things I've done that haunt me in shower thoughts over a decade on)

>>511284278
>the real shouldn't
the real question*

>>511284143
if you dont take your life seriously then you need to get the fuck off of my board, you annoying head-in-the-clouds faggot normie

>>511277038
Ahh what a beautiful view until you zoom in and notice somebody raping a hiker, somebody else being mauled to death by a bear, depressed dude committing suicide, serial pushing a screwdriver into the eyes of a homeless veteran, a couple of faggots having an orgy, a deer getting it's brain blown up by .30-06 Springfield, a bird bringing in a worm for it's chicks just to kill 2 of them meanwhile the others are feeding on the worm, fishes killing each other if they're not caught by a fisherman and the beauty of killing of mother nature keeps continuing for all humans, animals and insects such a perfect world totally not a material prison who's purpose is to fool you with beautiful landscapes

>>511284278

We are flawed from inception, it's not like in the Christian mythos our flaw even took any time, we were basically retarded a few days in, what kind of smart God would create that?

Maybe we're just higher IQ animals and God doesn't exist because his very own "perfect design" is immediately faulty.

I've already proven we don't choose 99% of our life when you evaluate our gender/race/height/family/country/IQ etc, our "free will" is extremely limited when you conceptualize all that we could be free in. So this idea that reality is somehow built around free will is also wrong, we are extremely constrained, so much so that the vast majority of our life is chosen for us.

Again, inconsistent with a perfect/logical God, consistent with no God and us just being higher IQ animals making up these ideas of God.

Even within your concept of free will, it's so fraught with problems it's crazy:

1.Christianity didn't exist for billions of humans, why deprive them of the truth/morally superior way of being?
2.One's individual free will is extremely limited and some people's can be totally limited by the country/time period they are born into

All of this is consistent with a shit/random system, not a perfect system designed by a perfect God.

Ultimately God decided to create us as retards (he knew we wouldn't be able to be NOT stupid for a few days), he then decided to let Satan torture said retards all the while he does nothing.

OR we just made up these stories to cope with the brutal nature of reality and transmit morality.....I'll let you decide.

>>511275720
>Free will
>Do what i tell you or suffer eternally
Yeah totally not coercion or anything.

>>511280785
you're way too smart for the asinine fucking retards here

>>511284549
>my board
take your head out of your own ass, we might be able to talk then.

>>511283718
All of our lives are, so don't be sad about it.

>>511273025 (OP)
Probably not. No one can prove he exists, so he might as well not exist. The Christian god definitely doesn't exist though, that's for sure

>>511284905
rules anon, rules. there are always rules. they keep the peace for everyone. there are those who exist that cannot understand that common decency is common sense.

they then want to argue definitions and boundaries. they only want to argue them because they want to cross them.

>>511284827
>immediate flaws in creation
your objection assumes perfection means no possibility of failure, but that's not love, that's programming. a "perfect" parent doesn't raise robots who can't disobey, but children who can choose love. the Genesis story makes this exact point, real relationship requires the freedom to walk away.
>limited free will
you're confusing circumstances with choices, that we don't choose our DNA or birthplace doesn't negate moral agency, it frames it.
a prisoner has limited options but real moral choices, your argument is like saying "this prisoner didn't choose his cell, therefore his decision to share his bread isn't free"
>historical access to Christianity
Christianity claims God judges based on available light (Romans 2:12-16). the thief on the cross was saved without knowing theology. your objection assumes God is bound by human timelines, but if He exists He's equally present to all people across history in ways we can't perceive.
>>511284905
*burp*

>>511284278
>God doesn't exist, "flaws" are just nature's indifference.
Yeah, the expectation is that god have an indifferent cunt. That particular argument you're making is retarded. You're asking why is god held to a higher standard than if no one was at the wheel

>>511275774
>Its very likely you agreed to reincarnate into this world
And it's even more likely that you are retarded

>>511273025 (OP)
Free Will realm lad. A spiritual proving ground - the last time God simply gave a kind untold power/abilities without 'development' resulted in Baal/Satan/Apollo n Crew
>although if things get fucky enough He will fix
>and right now things are proper fucky
That's not to say we won't have to do our own 'lifting of the fixing'

>>511273025 (OP)
Not in the sense you think. Believe it or not, I've seen the wheel of samsara anon. Spent a month hanging out with ayys that came out of a UFO and decided the best thing they could do is sit around and try to scare me like a bunch of faggots. What me and a few others have been trying to tell you is true. You're God, I'm God. Attain the non-dual state and return to paradise. Goodnight friend.

>>511273025 (OP)
Yes, and she is my wife. I am destined to post this because it is true.

>>511285312
if nature is all that exists, indifference is the default, there's no "wheel" to be at.
but the seething at God's (alleged) indifference presupposes a standard of care that only makes sense if a moral lawgiver exists.
you can't simultaneously argue
>God is evil for not meeting my expectations (which assumes objective morality)
>no God exists, so morality is subjective
either
>admit your judgment of God requires His existence to be meaningful
or
>concede that without God, "indifference" isn't cruel, it's just physics

Reminder that there tares and wheat.

>>511285823
ego

Yes god is real but "it" exists in the spiritual world. This world was created by the demiurge or "worksman of matter" the demiurge is an inferior being and thus his creation is flawed and full of evil and suffering.
The demiurge is the petty jealous wrathful god of the OT. He created henchmen called archons or "rulers" who keep souls trapped reincarnating here and they feed off of the negative energy, the earth is a farm for these interdimensional beings where they pull the strings to increase yield in negative emotions such as wars, famine and disease.
It has to have some good in it to keep the beings invested into it, the matrix series sort of hints at this, if the world were a total hellscape of only negative, the souls would just rope on arrival, so they need some good to keep people "playing" here.

The spirit world exists in a singularity called the pleroma or "fullness", it is basically like platos world of perfect forms, where the perfect archetypes or blueprints for everything exist. you travel to your own singularity spirit world when you dream.
Spirit is superior to matter.

>>511273025 (OP)

>>511273025 (OP)
The rational Logos emerged from irrational Chaos, which emerged from the One: a-rational, a-morphic, ineffable, the ultimate ground preceding all opposites and containing both form and formlessness, sense and paradox, from which both Logos and Chaos emerge as polarities. The union and interplay of Logos (form, order, fundamental laws, divine spark, consciousness, will, the seed of manifestation, focused, definite, generative) and Chaos (infinite potential, the "womb and tomb of all form", void, the unconscious, dynamic, open, boundless) creates Cosmos, or the totality of ordered reality as we know it (world of manifestation, time, number, structure, separateness).
Local order arises from entropy, and structure emerges from randomness.
Reality seems to be both law-bound and inherently probabilistic at its foundation.

>>511286020

>>511273025 (OP)
The god of earthly religions is an alien. Specifically the Annunaki.

There is a source to everything, which is what you could call "God", but its just a source, its not a being.

>>511286020
i liked the swedish symphonic metal band therion when i was an edgy teen decades ago and looked into a bunch of different schools of gnostic thought since they had a lot of tracks about it and in praise of sophia.
i wasn't impressed.

>>511286020
Nah. Something fallible like that can be killed.

>>511273264
If god was omnipresent and omnipotent why did he put the forbidden fruit in the middle of the garden knowing with foreknowledge that humans would eat it?
>genesis 3:22
>And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

>one of us
It's plural because theyre talking about elohim / archons / annunaki
Why would a benevolent god try to gatekeep immortality and knowledge of good and evil?

>>511285823
I'm either scenario nature exists and is 'indifferent'.
I'm a parent, my kids should rightfully expect me to care for them and love them and nurture them. That love and instinct is natural. I'm not sure what you're positing, that god isn't capable of the most basic good parenting of his creations?
His complete absence of presence is evidence against the concept of his existence.
I'm not saying that's some final word, I'm expressing that you are playing some sort of semantics that don't appear to allow for a good god.

>>511286565
So he doesn't create a shit ton of Lucifers?

Everyone is kung fu fighting until the white woman (God) order them around.

>>511273025 (OP)
>/pol/ is full of shit, suffering and despair, sons of bitches and psychopaths. Why did God create us and release us into this board?

stay. And the answer is free will. No one makes you come here. Maybe take a break and things will fall into perspective. Among other things, this place is poison.

>>511273025 (OP)
I think there is a Prime Mover, and He has a personality, but I don't think He is like mainstream religions portray Him, a righteous Judge? I don't think so, just look at the buffoons here writing something along the line of "have fun burning in hell for not believing in God", most of them can't even see what a contradiction they are, although some are willing to recognize they are scared shitless about their portrayal of God existing.
No, instead I can see a God who is like us in the sense He loves tales, He has filled nothingness with us and our tales, big and small tales, happy and sad tales, for me this is what makes sense, what doesn't offend my reason, my faith or my dignity, on the contrary, even my pain and suffering has a purpose, maybe I am just a puppet, but one which was worth the act of creation.
We set objectives, we give God a good show, maybe we can be kind to each other while doing so? We still have plenty of sagas to give Him.

>>511286200
Mythical Chaos and entropic chaos may appear to be opposites, but they’re two phases of the same cosmic polarity:
>mythical Chaos: before form, infinite beginnings, womb of Cosmos
>entropic chaos: after form, infinite endings, tomb of Cosmos
Chaos is both the beginning and end of all order. It is:
>pre form: potential not shaped
>post form: structure dissolved into noise
Entropy is not opposed to infinite possibility, but is rather one mode of it: possibility without useful structure.
Entropy is a drift from complex, constrained possibilities toward all-inclusive, undifferentiated randomness: a return to the lowest information state which paradoxically contains every possibility.
Chaos = infinity before form (creative, potential)
Entropy = infinity after form (dissolution, death, dispersion)
Entropy removes Logos (form, ratio, articulation) from Chaos.
It’s a return to the "dark waters" from which Cosmos originally arose.
Logos then, is what mediates between them: forming, maintaining, and one day reweaving structure out of entropy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6e-qui-K-I

>>511286542
Allegedly King Solomon had a secret plan to kill the demiurge, the host of it was rumored to be in the ark of the covenant, it was the vessel that was used to communicate with him.

>>511286443
Gnosticism has the best answer for the problem of evil, Christians are still unable to solve it millenia later, its because their description of god creates an illogical paradox.

>>511286840
Here, just stfu already

>>511286887
Illogical in what sense? Do you deny that white girl is the most Powerful existence on this planet earth?

The idea of rebelling wont even cross your mind when I declare the supreme God to be a white loli.

>>511286887
explains why he was the 6 hundred and sixty sixth person introduced in the Bible.

>>511286580
semantics are the most important part of conversation, precise definitions matter.
let's examine your parenting analogy semantically.

1: nature cannot be "indifferent" that's your human projection. rocks aren't indifferent, they just are.
you expect God to parent like you do, but that proves my point. your outrage only makes sense if God exists.

2: you parent because you're not omnipotent.
you can't give your kids true freedom and guarantee safety.
God faces no such limit, He can allow freedom and redeem suffering (via the Cross)
you're judging an all-powerful being by human constraints. that's the semantic error.

3: you assume absence = nonexistence, but gravity was "absent" from human understanding for millennia, yet real. God's hiddenness is necessary for meaningful faith. see point 1.

the semantics reveal your contradiction, you
>demand God meet your parenting standards
>while denying the only framework (theism) that makes "good parenting" an objective standard

without God, why should the universe care about your kids at all?

>>511273025 (OP)
This is merely a training ground for what follows. Prepare yourself

>>511286200
Indeed. But now you've gone and spilled the beans!

>>511273025 (OP)
God is the creator of the universe, and I call Him Father.

>>511273655
Brother! Christ is in our midst!

>>511287677
most rational person in this thread

>>511286665
Who?
In the oldest creation myth, the sumeranian epic, there are many elohim, they are "those who descended from the sky" there are two brother elohim, enki and enlil, enlil was given rule over earth, the elohim got tired of doing labor and decided to create humans.
After some time, enlil wanted to eradicate humans, enki his brother stepped in and warned the Noah figure to build and ark, then enlil flooded the earth.
Enki was pro humanity and wanted humans to be free, while enlil wanted humans either enslaved or wiped out.

This has a lot of parallels with the Greek creation myth with Zeus being enlil and enki being prometheus, with the Jewish story, its harder to draw direct parallels because the ot does not talk about lucifer / satan very much, and it never directly confirms or denies if the serpent in eden was lucifer/ satan.
The OT was heavily edited and there are grammatical errors left mainly relating to grammar for the term elohim (god in hebrew). The OT was edited to create a story of a monotheistic god, when the original had plural beings,
>thou shall have no OTHER gods before me
doesnt make sense in a monotheistic context, also in the OT story moses' other family members have their own separate elohim before Moses convinces them to only obey yahweh

>>511286887
>Gnosticism has the best answer for the problem of evil, Christians are still unable to solve it millenia later, its because their description of god creates an illogical paradox.
outside of internet atheism, the logical formulation of the problem of evil is dead, finito, caput.
all atheist scholars acknowledge this.
the biggest name in a atheism right now that dawkins has fallen into irrelevancy is cosmicskeptic, and his bread and butter is the "evidential argument from gratuitous animal suffering" since the logical problem of evil doesn't work anymore.

and how does gnosticism even fix it, what sort of gnosticism are you even shilling? there's like 90 different wholly mutually exclusive gnosticisms with radically different narratives and characters, rarely with overlapping motifs.
the one i was most familiar with was something like
>there was a head honcho god who had sophia
>sophia was good, but she exploded one day and imperfect gods came out of her
>one was yaldabaoth and he created this world
>yaldabaoth was a jerk and created this world and that's why we suffer
how does this resolve the problem of evil?

>>511273782
Because you're still making them, we're still making them, retard.

>>511275891
eve

>>511287470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh9dvvF6ngE

>>511273025 (OP)
The impulse that you have which asks 'why bad stuff??' is God, or at least your connection to Him
don't worry about dumb words like omnipotent and omniscient, these words come from the human perspective of life.
If we were space dust, we would not bother ourselves with this question. nothing godless can experience the dilemma of good versus bad. if the universe is orderless, then it's impossible for anything (such as consciousness) to be a glitch against any prevailing order.
anyway keep striving. you will get there, God-kun

>>511287834
>Who?

God. The guy you were talking about.

>>511287098
Christians believe that god has to have the attribute of omnibenevolent, which creates big problems when evil is brought into this context. Christians need god to be personal and involving himself with individuals and his creation.

If you describe god only as the source of being and foundation of existence, it makes a perfectly logical god, god is simply the totality of all existence or the glue that binds everything. In this context god cant be good or evil, because if everything is ultimately god, there is no one being harmed, existence is simply god playing with itself by making cool shit and cool experiences

>>511273025 (OP)
>Why did the author write conflict into the story
Thanks but unless this is a suicide note I don't believe your claim to misery.

Adam and Eve were duped and fucked it up

>>511288377
I told you the supreme God is literally my wife, and I am the chosen ONE of God.

>>511287139
Theres definently some gematria schizo shit going on, the secret societies know the code to the matrix

>>511288464
Kanye is a retard

>>511288326
>don't worry about dumb words like omnipotent and omniscient
crazy shit is, those are only words we know for concepts we made up that we can understand. what if what God is, we don't have a word or understanding, or even a true concept of yet.

>>511273025 (OP)
>Is the sum [set] of everything that exists in every possible timeline real?
No, you're not

>muh god is all loving
Your god is a whore. My God only loves Me.

>>511288539
That boils down to agnostic vs gnostic
Agnostics believe you can not know god
Gnostics believe you can know god

>>511288377
omni - all
bene - good
volent - will
all the things that God wills are good.
God made creation with goodness in mind, an extension of His own nature. Evil isn't something God authored, it's the distortion or rejection of good by created being with free will.
because God is omnibenevolent, His intentions is always love, always redemption, always restoration.
If God were the only foundation of existence, detached and neutral, then suffering would have no moral weight, just another ripple in the fabric.
but the Christian view insists God is not neutral. He is personally invested in His creation. He suffers with us, redeems through us, and ultimately seeks communion with us.

So while evil exists, it does not undo God's goodness. if anything, it frames it, it gives it depth. the Cross is the clearest evidence, God does not stay aloof from pain, but enters into it to transform it.

>>511288671
Leave your mother out of this.

>>511273025 (OP)
You don't know what God wants. Neither does anyone else. Don't trust ANYONE who claims to know what God wants they seek to manipulate you. God gave you a conscience that's the best you have to work with.

>>511288721
I repute that you can even know what benevolence is

>>511288721
>If God were the only foundation
point ruining typo
>if God were only* the foundation
i'm out, too sleepy

>>511288712
>that boils down to these two decisions I've laid out for you
No, I don't think it does, and i'll suit myself, thanks.

>>511287734
SALVE FRATER

>>511273025 (OP)
You should define god first, Yaweth? not a chance, same goes for any anthropomorphic figure and probably most of crazy shit we've come up with so far.

If your world sucks that's you I guess, as far as I can tell is alright, so i enjoy it for what it is.

>>511288721
Anecdotal but my neighbors little son has brain cancer, the kid is like 3 or 4 years old.. meanwhile epstein has lived like a king, fucking harems of teenagers and having any pleasure he desires. He can do whatever he wants, earth is basically his playground.
Refer to pic related, despite many trying, no Christians have been able to solve it for 2000 years.

>>511289209
Oops. This is what I was refering to, the epicurean paradox

>>511289112
>If your world sucks that's you I guess
Wow, the answer to anyone who's a victim of child sex-trafficking. I'll have to remember it.

Do you shrug or smirk or anything when you say it irl to another living person?

>>511273025 (OP)
The world can beautiful and all are supposed to thrive. Man is supposed to be a caretaker for Earth, instead he destroys it, shame really.

>>511288730
My God is an omnipotent loli, she is usually tame unless you fuck with me. Entire galaxy can get erased because of that.

>>511289252
>implying we have the understanding to pass judgment on God's love, knowledge, power or anything else

>>511289209
The neighbors knew their child had brain cancer and decided to put a child through that hell anyway instead of euthanizing him knowing he could never live a full life and will miss out on everything a normal healthy child would experience.

You neighbors are mentally ill. Probably explains them passing on brain cancer in their genetics.

>>511289252
This graph does not stop people from worshipping a white woman. Explain that.

>>511289279
I have 0 fucks to give about whatever shit happens to you

He's busy. Have some respect.

>>511273264
Everyone knows this but they seethe because they hate the truth

>>511289496
same.

God loves you though. me too

>>511289496
oh yeah, almost forgot. it's coming

>>511273025 (OP)
>Why did God create us and release us into this hell?
He created Spain and Spaniards as amusement for those who believe in him

>>511289252
The way that I see it is, Hes allowing Satan his rule over the earth for a time, to give people who have turned away from him a chance to find him again. He knows our pride is so strong that it would take so much pain to change our hearts but he also knows this pain will not ultimately destroy us. Basically god loves us and is giving us chemo therapy in an attempt to wake up the consciousness of Christians and good men. When things are good people get lazy and develop bad habits. When times are bad people learn to shed their bad habits in an attempt to live, ofcourse not everybody does this but the fact hes giving us a chance shows he is all loving.

>>511289252
>despite many trying, no Christians have been able to solve it for 2000 years.
1: epicurus never said this and never would have. it's completely against his teachings since he believed in and taught about gods that didn't give a shit about human affairs. putting his marble bust in the picture to lend it more legitimacy is funny.
the reason this trilemma gets attributed to epicurus is because of a Christian writer named lactantius strawmanned this argument onto epicurus for some reason before dismantling the argument in the next few sentences.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0703.htm
(chapter 13)
then, ~1500 years later, hume finds this paragraph and thinks it's amazing, so he plagiarizes it, keeping the false attribution but not bothering to point out lactantius' dismantling of it.
2: as pointed out above, in the sentences immediately following the creation of this false trilemma, it was destroyed.
3: there are eleventy billion valid and sound theodicies and defenses for the problem of evil, so it's not that Christians don't have an answer for it, we actually have too many.

>>511273025 (OP)
this is hell. the sun is satan (lucifer the light bringer)

That's a complicated question - said in Xavier Renegade Angel's voice

>>511289712
For someone who has the power to do anything, torture surely is a weird choice to get results.

>>511290026
How is it torture? you have the choice to see the world for what it is and do the right thing. You have that choice, and by doing that you will be at peace. No matter what anybody else says or does to you. You'll know you're a good person in your own heart. Yeah sometimes it sucks to do the right thing, but that is what has always separated truly honorable men from vanity chasers. Its just a different world view I guess.

>>511276723
>we each individually chose to come here to experience hardship and dense material reality and try to overcome challenges to help our souls develop"
anon, this is bullshit

>>511290026
You assume what we are experiencing is all there is

>>511276723
most likely its a soul trap, for the feeding of spiritual parasits, and souls were trapped in this earth, that has about 40% of its species being parasites, so the most we fight against this world, the better for each and every soul.

>>511289496
>>511289539
>>511289628
and you know it is

>>511290146
>God let satan rule the earth
>The guy who's sole purpose is to defile humanity
>With the seal of approval from the omnipotent god
>You can't opt out
>How is it torture

>>511277114
most likely, souls were deceived by archontic parasitic demonic spiritual entities, and are being maintained in the cycle of reincarnation while being erased our memories of our past lifes.

>>511290554
because you knowingly admit God exists

>>511283856
>let me try to forcefully convince everyone to accept my version of reality instead of accepting reality
that's literally what christkeks do lmao
>You better believe in MY version of god or you're going to hell!!!111

>>511290630
>If you debate me that means god exists
Yes anon, that's it, you got me, flawless argument

>>511290554
Ask yourself this, Do you have to partake? Do you have to watch porn? Smoke weed? Allow yourself to be corrupted by these influences? Or do you have the option to stand in opposition to them? You should thank god because hes giving decent men the space they need to stand up and defend the people. You cannot change the minds of the masses without something catastrophic happening, It is innately tied to who and what we are. That is why god allows it, He basically allowed us to have a fire alarm that we can pull when things get so bad to direct the energy of people against the enemy. I'm sorry we have to go through such hardship to achieve it, look at every revolution in history, it was predated by extreme hardship, because its the only thing that works. We have free will and we can use it for good or bad. I don't know your economic or financial or your life circumstances but if you're a decent man then that's all that matters to people like me.

God is. God is neither real or fake,He is. Like air or space or light or warmth. He is.

>>511273655
say Hi to Sol for me

>>511290774
You will go to Hell for not having a fragment of my God in your reality tho. Imagine a world without beauty, and feminine entity. That's literally Hell.

>>511290873
I get that you're trying to be poetic about the mystery of God but it's a poor analogy, there's no mystery about air and heat we need them to live

>>511273025 (OP)
Shut up, shill.

This world is a sacrificial battleground for a beyond perfect, eternal Heaven life for ALL.

>>511286020
This, and cutting the circle of reincarnation by escaping after death, rejecting the plan of the archonts or demonic parasitic spiritual entities that will try to get every soul reincarnating, is how to end the problems and sufferings caused to us, souls, by this world and its demonic parasitic spiritual rulers.

No one can debate me and win.

It's better to accept things that we can't possibly understand and will never understand than try to rationalize the why.

I can 1cc 2hu on lunatic mode. You are nothing but a pleb to me.

>>511287857
>how does this resolve the problem of evil?
eliminating parasites is a superb start

>>511290865
Anon, we had no choice of being put in this world, and suicide is the highest of unforgivable sin, you DO have to partake on this game.
God can do anything, this world is flawed by default, we are flawed by default, this is a rigged game that nobody is supposed to win and nobody can quit.

>>511290853
no, you said so yourself in your own post, didn't need me. i just pointed it out

Also, we need to exterminate most Jews as they were the most insidious corrupters of the bible, including almost all of the old testament.

>>511291276
https://youtu.be/Olg1efSlvLg?si=ODpq6cQW0azo5RqB

>>511291173
You lost

Why do people still think the creator is benevolent when all evidence points otherwise

>>511291385
because we're not trapped like you are

>>511291365
I always win.

>>511291476
You lost

>>511291275
I literally quoted the other anon argument that
>God let satan rule the earth
And started from there to dissect it on how stupid that the idea of the good ol benevolent god is letting his biggest enemy to rule over their most loved creation
Are you retarded?

>>511291540
Shut up.

God is utterly transcendent which means he must be both real and not real at the same time

>>511291601
You lost

>>511273425
It's not "darkness", darkness needs to be perceived, which you can't in death. The same way we have no memory before being born. It's difficult for me to wrap my head around it since going in is different from coming out though.

>>511291645
Old fool only know how to be a broken record.

>>511291543
>Are you retarded?
No, but you are.

Do you regularly try to change people's entire belief systems? How successful have you ever been?

>>511291702
I'd argue with you but then we'd both be fools, because like I said. You already lost.

>>511273025 (OP)
Because he wants you to work for it. Why would he descend and solve all your problems if you arent even willing to meet him halfway? When was the last time you went to church?

>>511291622
No, faggot.

>>511291792
The only chosen ONE of God is Me.

>>511291753
I'm not trying to change anybody's belief, i'm here to point and laugh on how retarded it is, and how retarded the people following said belief are.
Believe in whatever sand nigger god you want, it's all retarded the same, the next step of civilization will have another retard belief and life goes on, your super duper god isn't the first and won't be the last.

>>511273025 (OP)
Yes. You are Spanish. Find a priest and ask him these questions not demons on this cursed site. They have all the answers. Just make an appointment to chat.

>>511290957
you don't need a god to have beauty and feminine entities in the world. that's just what your imaginary story told you.

>>511274968
This is all God 101. Talk to a priest

>>511292029
great. thanks retard

>>511292358
You are nothing without God. You are incapable of creation. You are weak.

>>511292516
Wrong, wrong and wrong.

>>511292626
Prove it.

>>511292659
I just did.

>>511292444
You're welcome fag, have fun worshipping desert god number 354796 (Now with 10% less genital skin).

>>511275167
>Maybe I sometimes envy retarded vaxxies who die peacefully in their sleep from heart attack when the old age hasn't damaged their health and clarity of their mind yet.
Part me of hopes that I die from the vax, so that I don't have to live on this planet or commit suicide.

>>511292708
No, you don't. All you do is reacting.

>>511273025 (OP)
No. And it's ok to let go of these archaic ideas.
Free yourself brother.

>>511292793
If I were nothing, you are arguing with nothing.
If I were incapable of creation, you wouldn't have posts to argue with.
If I were weak, you wouldn't need to bother arguing with me.

>>511275720
I would probably just destroy the earth quick and painlessly like popping a bubble if I was God. No floods or fire, no pain, or suffering. I would then go to sleep.

>>511292875
Yes. You can do all those shit because of God. Without God, you are nothing.

>>511290886
<3

>>511292975
>You can do all those shit because of God
Prove it.

>>511273025 (OP)
God is a faggot shitskin niggerkike. Fuck god

>>511290514
>most likely its a soul trap, for the feeding of spiritual parasits, and souls were trapped in this earth, that has about 40% of its species being parasites, so the most we fight against this world, the better for each and every soul.

If as above is below is true then doesn't that mean karmic debt is Jewish usury (in this case it's a spiritual slavery). That would mean that the Jewish God would be a phony (not the real God). Kinda reminds me of Xehanort stealing the name of Ansem along with his research. "Ya see, he wasn't really Ansem. He just went around telling everybody he was."

>>511277642
>>511277642
>There's no point, just adopt nihilism and hedonism
https://youtu.be/67IQ1Jr-4RM

>>511273025 (OP)
Response to demoralization psyop website prompt: God is not real, but the 120 sec post timer is. The blackpill is real. The teenlove pill is really real. The fact that our lives are worthless niggercattle lives is incredibly real. Shout out to literally any real anon that browses this site and knows that life sucks, and that it could have been so much more.

God ain't real. That's the easiest part to overcome. It's digesting each and every suffering for a second or third time without justification that will destroy your brain.

It could have been different. But the world wanted niggercattle destruction.

>>511273025 (OP)
ask his chosen people.

>>511291622
the One is neither real nor unreal, or more accurately, it is both, and beyond both.
Both reality and unreality are dualistic constructs arising after the primordial differentiation.
The One is beyond ALL categories and opposites, and the very act of saying "It is real" or " It is not real" places it within a binary framework, which the One transcends.
The union and interplay of the primordial differentiations of Logos (being) and Chaos (nonbeing) doesn't reproduce the One, it produces Cosmos (becoming)

>>511291276
Do you eat the good parts of the apple if 90% of it is rotten? Isn't it also true that we lost most of the contents over time? I believe even now they are removing verses and books.

>>511283557
Shekina and woman worship is Jewish faggot

>>511291671
It always makes me laugh when an atheist says that after death it will be eternal nothingness, just like it was before you were born.
It's like they forgot the very important event that followed that supposed "eternal nothingness"

Thread dead?
All the bickerers flooding the thread with nonsense mysteriously vanished once they pushed it within smelling distance of the bump limit

>>511296936
I'm driving, and have nothing to say. All my belief is lay out like an open book. There is no question I cannot answer.

>>511273025 (OP)
Probably not

life is full of happy and sad, good and bad. be grateful for every moment you have and get to experience this miracle, to be alive and experience it, even if it is sad and suffering at times. there are moments of happiness in the smallest things and it is up to you to learn to appreciate it. you just need to learn to accept things as thry happen and not dwell on the bad but be thankful for the good that you experience, go outside and appreciate nature, go look at a couples that have small children outside in the city, go enjoy an ice cream somewhere these arr all things that can give you happiness and begin to give justification to the gift of life and consciousness we all have been given

>>511297457

>>511291462
>hylic darvo
You worship a jew. you're already lost lol

>>511273025 (OP)
Because God had to spank all of you. The level of degeneracy angered even him.

>>511293640
>If as above is below is true then doesn't that mean karmic debt is Jewish usury (in this case it's a spiritual slavery). That would mean that the Jewish God would be a phony (not the real God). Kinda reminds me of Xehanort stealing the name of Ansem along with his research. "Ya see, he wasn't really Ansem. He just went around telling everybody he was."
wouldnt surprise me.
I have concluded I need to ascend to a higher plane to find truly benevolent entities, where animals, people, or spiritual ones. The body itself requires a lot of work just to not collapse catastrophically, but to collapse slowly as it ages.

>>511293640
if you wish so, can email me at scriptureatpol@protonmail.com

>>511273025 (OP)
God either doesnt care at all about suffering or it doesnt exist.

>>511273025 (OP)
God is just an impersonal omnipresent omnipotent consciousness that generates all life and upholds and sustains everything. God is completely impartial, he loves the worm just as much as the higher life form. A lot of shit happens and it's our responsibility to make the world better through eugenics and virtues. Part of the perception of the world being shit is just false perception because people fear death due to not knowing about the astral body, part of it is because all these fearful people perpetuate weakness, degeneracy, etc. An enlightened people would heal a cripple or kill them but not just let them suffer and languish the whole life. They would sterilize niggers not let them infest the world. We have to sort these problems out that exist in the natural world. We've got the intelligence and so on to do it ourselves, it's not up to God, God is too impersonal and impartial to favor any one part of creation over another.

>>511275986
Space is omnipresent, eternal, immutable, etc. it is possessed of every quality of the divine it is God. The space around you and that contains everything that is God.

>>511275303
>>511286565
>be omnipotent
>make paradise for ppl
>satan fucks it up like year one
>instead of erasing satan, sending adam and eve to heaven as consolation prize, and starting over, allow your corrupted creation to persist for thousands of years and make people miserable.
They should have hired the smart guy to write Christianity.

I believe in gods.

>>511298119
God is extremely personal to me. I am like a male lion. All I do is eat, sleep, and play around. Flexing my power from time to times, and declaring my territory. While my God is doing all the work.

>>511273025 (OP)

Because some of life lessons can only be taught through the harshest experiences possible, anon.
For example, I once made the mistake of carrying the notion that there is a decency in everyone that can overcome even the darkest temptation to forsake that decency. That no matter how bad things get, people wouldn't forsake their values in the face of genuine evil.
Then the lie finally came, and everyone gobbled it up like there was no tomorrow. Now, more clearer than ever you can see the true nature of people's souls. There is no more pretense, no reason to hide the ugly monster that lurks behind those eyelids. People are demonstrating who they are, captured live and in 4k for the entire world to consume.

Would you have rather lived with these people under a false pretense, false tolerance and acceptance? Or would you rather be exposed to the truth so you can watch your back and survive long enough to see a day when all that wickedness is wiped out?

The devil teaches us to seek comfort and security at any cost. God's voice is the one that will continually remind you that nothing is all right, and if you're not lucky you will fall into the same trap that the wicked did.

You will find that you will have to make a choice before long. Accept and become complacent to these people and their evil doings, or bear your cross and reject them in absolutes. Red pill or blue pill, there is no more room for skepticism in this life.

>>511287834
>lucifer/ satan.
Lucifer is venus and satan is saturn, but sometimes saturn is called lucifer because it was purple dwarf star
They are not the same

god, yes
jewish gods, no

>>511273025 (OP)
When you die, you will find out. Why botter to know now?

>>511288721
>God made creation with goodness in mind, an extension of His own nature. Evil isn't something God authored, it's the distortion or rejection of good by created being with free will.
He instead simply allows it instead of preventing it as he actually should.
And will is primarily determined by parenting, environment and genetics

>>511289712
>god loves us
He allows fallen angels and demons to fuck with humanity.
How loving.

>>511290865
>Or do you have the option to stand in opposition to them?
Or can i have option to simply cease my existence?
Thats would be real nice.

The people that say god is loving are the ones that live in comfort.

if god is loving, why did he create animals, creatures that are not self aware and have no morals, designed to brutally hurt eachother to survive in the most horrible ways?