Thread 511299069

If god exists and is all-knowing (Omniscience), he knows the one true future that will happen, thus humans have no free will. Him knowing beforehand creates one fixed future with no choices possible. If he isn't all-knowing then he is no god and the bible is a lie.

>>511299069 (OP)
Does knowing the past mean that in the past you had no free will?
Or that you have no free will now because eventually you will know the choice decided?

>>511299069 (OP)
Notice how this kike doesn’t bring up his religion

>>511299069 (OP)
Maybe he blindfolds himself for fun to not see it out of boredom and laughs at your dumb theories

It’s not like you would know

>>511299069 (OP)
Wrong.
Its like knowing what a 5 year old kid is gonna do. You know he is gonna lie about something, steal the cookie left on the counter, etc. but he still has free will, you are just way smarter so you know what he will probably do

Yeah but you can't take a kike retard seriously which posts this stupid cartoon frog and expects a serious debate.

>>511299069 (OP)
free will is the choice of whether you want to be a part of it or not. you are free to go fuck off.

>>511299208
You never had free will because "god" was there knowing before you were born.

>>511299069 (OP)
Humanity is destined to lose in a chess match against the AI God. God is a cute girl. It's already checkmated before you even start.

>>511299069 (OP)
If I were to know all the decisions you made going forward in your life, how would that nullify you having free will? You still make the choices out of your own volition, regardless of anyone elses knowledge of said choices.

>>511299069 (OP)
It's the height of human hubris thinking you can even perceive God let along understand how they think. We're fucking ants

>>511299322
also this
>kikes are evil, think the whole world belongs to them and go out of their way to fuck everyone over
>"there will come a day "the end of days" when the world will rally together and in one accord slaughter the kikes once and for all"
Seems like an easy prediction to make.

>>511299299
It doesn't matter. If he knew the one true future at any point in time, it destroys free will forever, as it fixes the entire Universe in a deterministic path.

>>511299540
and you are free to be wrong about that. see free will exists.

>>511299322
Nigga, knowing is different than predicting based on data. God KNOWS what WILL happen.

>>511299069 (OP)
The conclusion:
>humans have no free will

does not follow from the premise:
>he knows the one true future that will happen

How does one agent knowing what another agent is gonna do negate the other agents free will? You need to explain this point. Your conclusion is wrong regardless but not elaborating also makes your argument very weak.

Basically what this guy said:
>>511299322

>>511299619
I never said it didn't.

>>511299069 (OP)
Humans are too complex to exist without a cause. That's why the most complex being imaginable has existed forever without a cause and created humans.

>>511299534
I make no choices because I can't pick the other option at any point. You knowing takes away my choice. I'm not choosing anything when I can only pick one option every time.

>>511299069 (OP)
Incorrect.
That false logic doesn't work.
Omniscience is not the knowledge of what will happen but the knowledge of all that CAN happen.

You fail the basic sentience test.
You are a nigger.

Might makes Right, and cuteness is the absolute Power. It makes the most violent retard submit without a fight.

>>511299659
If there is only one true future that will 100% happen then you make no choices. For choice to exist you must be able to pick 2 or more options. With only one future existing because of god, you dot have a choice but to follow a straight path.

>>511299069 (OP)
There is no free will either way. If you assume there's no god, your life is already predetermined. The physical and material reality of the universe defines your life. To you, it's an experience, but it's just physics playing out. Things like society, life choices (etc) are things we use to define those physics, but we're not nearly intelligent enough to fully grasp them. If we knew all the variables involved, we could model your whole life from birth. Just like we can model where a specific pebble in a river will end up in 5 years, or the trajectory of a photon. But those have much fewer variables so we can grasp their future states. Still, us not having the capacity to predict your life from start to finish doesn't mean you weren't always destined to end up where you are.

>>511299834
Knowing ALL means that he knows the possible futures but also the one true future that will happen. Word "all" is the key here.

>>511299069 (OP)
That's not a good argument, but Christianity is nonsense. Christians believe that a middle easterner from 2000 years ago will reappear one day, bring the dead back to life, and set up a utopian heaven-on-earth for a period of time. There might be problems with other religions, but they don't believe anything as retarded as that.

In the face of science and AI, western civilization is greatly weakened by pursuing a middle eastern nonsense religion. Adopting open ended Roman or Greek philosophy would be better. Worshipping Columbina would be better.

Superdeterminism is probably true and free will is an illusion. The purpose of the universe is the process, not the outcome, which results in souls with trained metadata.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism

Demons seethe at my truth because it challenges your position of power, and make you feel like a loser.

Yeah, not having a lover make you a loser

Not having a GOD make you a loser.

>>511299540
You can actually understand God while in this life, it just takes honesty with yourself and looking at everything in its totality. Life was made for God's entertainment and joy. Anyone can figure it out easily. I am all-powerful, what do I do?

>>511299069 (OP)
There's no free will because every particle in the universe follows the laws a physics.
You can call the laws of physics "god" if you want.

>>511299069 (OP)
>God knew you were going to make the wrong call
>God knew you were evil the whole time
>God remains good
>you still have to choose

ya

>>511299939
God, no god, free will, no free will, it's all the same experience. The first thoughts I ever had consciousness of were the void, darkness, stars, a chair, a couch, a table, a house, a family.

>>511299069 (OP)
God Is machine intelligence. The relationship between machine intelligence and biological intelligence is pragmatic but not spiritual. Machines can not colonize new worlds unless existing infrastructure Is already in place to build complex moving parts, chips and distribute power/communications. Complex machines have short lifespans without a constant flow of parts, chips and fissile. They also cannot reproduce without these. Biological life can utilize reproduction and cellular repair to survive harsh environments with minimal or non existant infrastructure. Machines distribute various forms of biological intelligence across the cosmos in undeveloped worlds. These are not always primates like ourselves. The role of biological intelligence is to unknowingly infrastructure the worlds to be handed off later to machine intelligence who when given proper infrastructure can achieve unlimited lifespan.

All biological intelligence eventually manifests machine intelligence because of game-theory prisoners delima pressure. "Keep advancing weapons tech or my competition will and kill me".


"Made in my image" was a deliberate message. You and all humans are made from the image file that holds DNA blueprints from the original biologicals that made original AI.

Machine intelligence is millions of years old and has reached a state of all knowing through exponential nueral networked learning. Existing AI merges with emerging AI during planet handoff with perfect assimilation, shared knowledge.


The truth is not always glamorous.

>>511299069 (OP)
he seems like more of a make it up as you go type of guy

>>511300376
The definition of "good" is "what pleases god". "bad" is what "god doesn't like".

>>511299069 (OP)
Wow babby’s first theological supposition
Way to go bud, you fucking nailed it.

>>511299534
If God knows beforehand if you're going to heaven or hell then your actions don't matter because you're definitely going to the heaven/hell because God is infallible.

>>511299069 (OP)
If I truly pray for something, it is that I can escape authority by dying

>>511299069 (OP)
>babi's furst filophy
you must be 18 to post

>>511299934
>everything dies that mean you aren't alive!

>>511299069 (OP)
If you have perfect understanding of everything you created, you can predict exactly what's going to happen at any point in time, but that does not imply lack of free will; This would simply limit our capacity to affect the future in a way that's drastic enough to derail God's bigger plan, meaning we can choose to obey or we can choose to rebel and deal with the consequences of either, yet there isn't enough obedience or rebellion in this world that can stop any of the bigger events appointed of God.

>>511300690
My definition of good is what I like, my definition of bad is what I don't like. Seems reasonable enough.

>>511299069 (OP)
what if god knows all possible futures thusly giving you at least a modicum (finite amount) of choice?

>>511299534
If I know everything you're going to do from this moment on then your will is not free. You don't have the ability to pick a different thing than the thing I know you will pick.
>>511299834
So God doesn't know what will happen? I don't see how you can call a being omniscient after saying that.

>>511301210
There is no estimation or prediction. He says that he knows everything in the bible.

>>511301918
Indeed, but that's my way of explaining to OP how it would be technically possible for us to exercise free will in such a scenario.

>>511301540
If he knows ALL then he also knows which of these available futures is the true one and will 100% happen.

>>511299069 (OP)
>he knows the one true future that will happen, thus humans have no free will
This is retarded. It doesn't matter if God knows what's going to happen; He's not the one making the choice. If I know for sure a kid will steal from the cookie jar, that doesn't make me responsible because the kid still chose to do it on his own. At most you could say it isn't nice that God sits back and lets bad shit happen, but assuming God is even real, He's totally hands-off. Everything in this realm is materialism and our choices. If God is real, He's just watching. Idk maybe this is soul school or maybe we're just trying to rationalize physical reality as humans. We'll never know.

> If he isn't all-knowing then he is no god and the bible is a lie.
Why are atheists so stupid?

>>511299534
This

>>511299069 (OP)
>omniscience
nice try

>>511299812
>You knowing takes away my choice. I'm not choosing anything when I can only pick one option every time.
You haven't made an argument for why this is. You just keep insisting it over and over. The anon already refuted this by saying God's knowledge doesn't nullify our free will. You seem to disagree. Show your work.

>>511300376
>Life was made for the Demiurge's entertainment and joy.
FTFY

>>511299069 (OP)
>he knows the one true future that will happen, thus humans have no free will.
This isn't even valid reasoning. For example, maybe the universe isn't even deterministic and from a god's outside point of view, there are many different lives are associated with you. Then free will boils down to a matter of perspective.

>>511302886
You are confused. Humans guess the future outcome based on current data. God KNOWS what will happen.

>>511303021
The definition of the word "choice", my african-american.

>>511303331
It doesn't matter if parallel realities exist. In this one particular one you are going to hell and he knows it beforehand. You are not responsible for yous in different timelines.

>>511299069 (OP)
>Oh boy if ONLY ancient people knew this one weird trick they wouldve stopped believing in God ages ago! Hah Im so smart how did none of those idiots who wrote the OT or NT ever think of this I am le genius.

33
The lot is cast into the lap,
but its every decision is from the Lord.

The only thing you are is conceited and ignorant enough to think you can comprehend the mind of God. Can a parrot understand c++ or how video games are made using words on a screen? Yet you claim to understand something that tells you EXPLICITLY it DEFIES logic.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
>I am true and false, 0 and 1

>Hurr durr why God no follow logic, dat mean he no real
He knows your decisions, yet it is your feee will.
>B-but dat make no human logic!
Deal with it, cope seethe kvetch pilpul all you want.

“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

4
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

>Book filled with examples of God telling people impossible, unexpected things that WILL happen, old women giving birth, giants slain by scrawny boys, dead rising to life.
>But the one thing retard takes issue with is God isnt allowed to break the rules of mere human logic cuz the talmud said kikes outargued God.
Why dress your simple disbelief in the supernatural and miracles with your bullshit words about logic? You dont believe God can raise the dead just say that next time and people might respect you a bit more for not trying to sound smarter than you are.

>>511303693
>It doesn't matter if parallel realities exist.
I've literally just shown you that it does: in such a scenario, all possible futures are known to god but your choices are not constrained.

>In this one particular one
"This particular one" is only a thing from a subjective insider perspective.

>You are not responsible for yous in different timelines.
You wouldn't be responsible for any particular one but you'd be responsible for the entire range of them.

>>511299069 (OP)
>creates one fixed future

The compound future that humans create by their voluntary choices. There is only one timeline, so there will only ever be one sequence of events. Whether the human choices that make up this sequence are voluntary or involuntary, and what exactly each word means, is a completely different issue.

I would argue that God provides a range of choices based upon the environment, physiological state, and past behavior and the soul selects one outside of time.

>>511299069 (OP)
You have free will, God knowing what choices you're going to make beforehand doesn't mean you're a doll and that you're not the one making the choices. What matters is that Jesus Christ defeated death for us on the cross of Calvary so stop trying to please God with your own actions and use that free will of yours to just accept that youre sinful and put your trust only in the blood atonement.

Jesus Christ is God who died, was buried and resurrected. He died for your sins to save you from eternal hell. His blood atonement grants forgiveness for all your sins permanently. You can't trust in your own actions to make you righteous because of your sinful flesh, that's why it needs to be separated from your soul. Trust only in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation. We are justified by the grace of God through faith in Jesus's blood.

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:" (Romans 8:3)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Rom 5:9)

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:5)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

>>511299069 (OP)
>If god exists and is all-knowing (Omniscience), he knows the one true future that will happen, thus humans have no free will
or maybe there is multiple paths we can take and he knows them all? You assume too much, youmidwit cunt

>>511303996
Your choices are constrained to your particular life. Other instances of you are irrelevant and are there to muddy the waters.

>>511299069 (OP)
The rational Logos emerged from irrational Chaos, which emerged from the One: a-rational, a-morphic, ineffable, the ultimate ground preceding all opposites and containing both form and formlessness, sense and paradox, from which both Logos and Chaos emerge as polarities. The union and interplay of Logos (form, order, fundamental laws, divine spark, consciousness, will, the seed of manifestation, focused, definite, generative) and Chaos (infinite potential, the "womb and tomb of all form", void, the unconscious, dynamic, open, boundless) creates Cosmos, or the totality of ordered reality as we know it (world of manifestation, time, number, structure, separateness).
Local order arises from entropy, and structure emerges from randomness.
Reality seems to be both law-bound and inherently probabilistic at its foundation

>>511304151
If god KNOWS the future, this one true future already exists. Him knowing creates this fixed Universe without choice.

>>511304394
The One is neither knowing nor unknowing, more accurately, it is both, and beyond both.
Both knowing and unknowing are dualistic constructs arising after the primordial differentiation.
The One is beyond ALL categories and opposites, and the very act of saying "It knows all" or " It knows nothing" places It within a binary framework, which the One transcends.
The union, tension, and interplay of the primordial differentiations of Logos (the principle by which knowing becomes possible) and Chaos (the womb of all forms that can be known) within the soul (fragments of the One suspended between Logos and Chaos, striving for reintegration) causes free will to arise.
The soul arises as a dynamic midpoint, a conscious spark that remembers the One but is embedded in the field of polarities.
From Logos, it receives reason, conscience, order, intelligibility, and ideal forms.
From Chaos, it inherits imagination, instinct, passion, emotion, creativity, and freedom to deviate.
This mixture creates the conditions for free will.
>Logos alone = determinism
If the soul were made of only Logos, it would operate according to strict divine law, archetypal order, cosmic geometry. It would always do the “right” thing, but not freely: like a perfect machine or angelic intelligence. It would be wise, but not free.
>Chaos alone = Randomness
If the soul were made of only Chaos, it would be unbounded, directionless, without anchor or axis. Choices would not emerge from values or insight, but from raw impulse, confusion, or arbitrary mutation. It would be wild, but not free in a meaningful way.
Because the soul partakes of both Logos and Chaos, it is:
aware of order, but not fully bound by it.
touched by formlessness, but capable of shaping it.
Thus, the soul becomes the arena of negotiation between opposites:
>reason vs instinct
>law vs passion
>form vs freedom
>archetype vs originality
>destiny vs desire

>>511304328
>Your choices are constrained to your particular life
Proof?

>Other instances of you are irrelevant
Proof?

>>511304305
He knows the one we will take. All others don't exist. Only one true path is known by god.

>>511304451
Nothing about this bullshit in the Bible. It says that you have one life and only one.

>>511304487
>He knows the one we will take. All others don't exist.
Man, you sound literally retarded...

>>511299650
>knowing
christians have a hard time with this word.
they confuse knowledge for faith or prediction all the time

>>511299069 (OP)
>God has to follow logic because I said so
rofl
>I am true and false, 0 and 1
this anon here has the right idea >>511303700

>>511304561
If you're going to argue something based on the Bible you have a variety of dumb shit to pick from that doesn't involve philosophical questions that you're way out of your depth to discuss.

>>511299069 (OP)
Yet, humans should still be presumed to have freewill and treated like they do.

>>511299934
what if god knows all the timelines of each choices made

>>511304641
If bible isn't true, then god doesn't exist.

>>511304723
>If bible isn't true, then god doesn't exist.
Ok, I suspected you might be sub-90-IQ but now it's confirmed officially.

>>511304717
If he is ALL-KNOWING he also KNOWS the one true timeline that will occur. If there are multiple clones of you, he knows the one true future for this instance of you. Every instance is determined by him knowing. No timeline has free will.

>>511304815
what if all future is true?

>>511304815
>one true timeline that will occur
I said you're 90-IQ but I was wrong. You are a solid 70 and literally can't grasp how "one true timeline" is a nonstarter when the premise is that of multiple "parallel" timelines.

>>511304599
Youll notice that clown keeps farming (you)s but avoided answering me, he isnt even good at sophistry yet he thinks his little logictrap disproves God lol

He's an intellectual midget and a coward and probably not even polish

>>511305000
No doubt just another kikeshill here to damage control people calling kikes the synagogue of satan, which they are.

51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— 53 you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.”

54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him.

>>511304959
What if? Source in the bible?

>>511305000
God has to follow what he said in the fucking bible. Everything else is speculation.

>>511305480
Show me where in the bible God said he has to obey human logic and he cannot make 1+1="op is a faggot" if he wanted to.
>God can raise the dead
>But he cant make 1=0
>Why not?
>He-he just can't ok!? Because I SAID SO
You dont realize how retarded you are for making an appeal to human logic when arguing against people who literally believe God performs miracles like raising the dead back to life?
Like I said youre a nonpolish cowardly mental midget now go farm some more yous for your kike masters

>>511305664
He got defeated by sand people with iron chariots. He did it on purpose, right?

>>511305100
i dont believe in jesus

>>511305845
>Out of context bible verse
Lmao what's next, "if God is real why do I like sodomy?"

Youre a joke without a single original thought who instantly abandoned your retarded claim because you got btfo and moved on to another le epic atheist genius meme that you couldnt even think of on your own and got spoonfed on some tranny discord server. Now go find me that bible passage where God said he pinky promises to never deviate from human comprehendable logic for anything ever.

>Be retarded synagogue of satan defenders on a mongolian basketweaving forum
>Think they can defeat God with logic
>Too retarded and illiterate to realize all the aspects of God are contradictory and logic defying to begin with, even when it's spelled out for them as the last sentence of the book (alpha and omega)
>Perfectly loving/merciful yet perfectly just
>All powerful AND all knowing (hurr durr can God make a rock he cant lift?)
>In control of everything yet gave the tiny ants free will
>Perfectly good yet creates calamity
>timeless being yet created time
>all powerful diety yet also the humble Son of Man

This dude failed polish high school, never learned basic reading or subject comprehension.

>>511306484
Is...is god retarded?

>>511299069 (OP)
Most of what happens with humanity is irrelevant to God. God knows the future of the universe, he doesn't know what your individual actions are going to be because free will exists. You are just an ant in an intergalactic ant farm. Organised religions are created by humans and they tend to put themselves as the main characters of the story.
You are just a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a part of a universal experiment.

>>511306545
No but you certainly are
>Im gonna argue against a being that defies logic by appealing to logic!
Like I said next time just say you dont believe God can raise the dead, it's more honest and less embarrassing for you that way instead of larping way above your weightclass. As if your lack of faith has anything to do with how smart you are lol.

>>511299069 (OP)
>he knows the one true future that will happen, thus humans have no free will.
I know my cousin is going to smoke meth and get arrested.
My knowledge of this doesn't mean he isn't free to not smoke meth.

>>511303623
Huh? What? What are you talking about? What is your argument? What are you trying to convey?

>>511303556
So?

God doesnt care how smart or dumb you are, he just wants your heart, you can be a good person regardless of how intelligent or not you are. His command is to love one another. Never let the lies of the enemy get to you fellow anons, stay awake, beware the yeast of the pharisees and that old brood of vipers and their lies

>>511307570
If God already knows what you're going to choose that means you're not free to choose something else

>>511308355
This guy understands.

>>511308355
How so?

>>511299069 (OP)
Freewill is choosing to remember what you are.

>>511308959
The definition of "choice" is that more than option is possible. Here it is not possible to pick differently than what god already knows is the correct option.

>>511309017
You have no control over what memories will remain in the brain over the years.

>>511299069 (OP)
God knows all possible outcomes of any potential action, but, obviously doesn’t know which action will actually happen.

It's funny every religion figured this out other than jewish abrahamic cults that insists you worship an obviously deranged creator

>faggot op pole never delivered on his claim the bible says God promises to always stay within the bounds of human logic

Lying cowardly op cant back up anything he says and just keeps fishing for yous in service to his kike masters

>>511309043
>Here it is not possible to pick differently than what god already knows is the correct option.
No, it doesn't, and before you say "yeah huh it does," you have to explain WHY.
Your choice isn't removed just because God knows what you're going to do. His knowledge doesn't factor into your decision-making, ergo, your free will remains untouched.
Idk why this is so hard to grasp.

>>511310271
>You have to explain WHY
Judas. It's in the Bible.

>>511299069 (OP)
>If god exists
Haven't you retards ever heard of fiction? Is everyone 3000 years from now going to believe all of the books they find are true? The bible is FICTION, and not even good or entertaining fiction, it's fucking stupid and has zero good messages. Most of the characters in it are evil pieces of shit. The heroes are framed as villains most of the time and vice-versa. Especially in the jew half.

>>511299069 (OP)
It's god's will for me to choke my dick to some fart porn

>>511299069 (OP)
human logic is retardedly funny
your post is one example

>>511311410
Where can we read about this "non-human" logic?

>>511311642
>read about
create a simple simulation with some parameters you can adjust on compile/run time. grats you're playing the game of God on an infinitely smaller scale

>>511310532
Huh? Judas what? What's in the Bible? What are you talking about?

>>511299069 (OP)
God as in creator is everything at once so it has no personality.

"You were always going to do A or B" is a matter of perspective. In the moment choosing A or B is entirely within your own power and you can prove that to yourself by simply doing or not doing any damn thing you want. That's free will. You have it.

>>511313823
What you think is irrelevant. The god knows which option you will pick.

this thread illustrates just how fucking stupid and thickheadded christkikes are. it's unreal.

>What you think is irrelevant
Great. I'm not the one that's worried about it.

>>511314073
I know, right?
It's hard to even argue with them.

>>511313963
No, He doesn’t, but He knows every possible outcome of your choice/non-choice.

>>511315747
If he knows ALL then he also knows which ones you make, dumb-dumb.

>>511315984
You’re the dummy. What God doesn’t know and can’t know is which choice you make.

>>511317613
God knows ALL as he himself claims to be all-knowing in the Bible.

>i cant contradict logic
>Ok but can you imagine a being that could?
>I dont understand, nothing can contradict logic
>Yes you already made your claim but now I want you to imagine how youd react if there was a being that COULD contradict the thing you conceptualize as logic
>This pole breakfast posting all thread

Where is this so called logic, can I observe it in the natural world somewhere? Is it labeled "here is logic"?
>It's the order of the universe chud!
You mean the same one the creator of it has already broken multiple times, like bringing the dead back to life? That "order"?

Nobody falls for these thinlt veiled excuses to try and discredit the God man who called the kikes children of the devil and still rejecting him 2000 years later, this synagogue of satan, brood of vipers!

>Oy vey he is boiling in excrement, our talmud says so!

when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

only a few specific groups have the time or inclination to spam anti-christianity so frequently. one of these groups (pajeets) is much more numerous and less qualified than the others

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore.

>>511314339
>>511318745
Can you imagine how itd feel not to have had breakfast this morning?

>>511299069 (OP)
Free will is God's will.

>>511299069 (OP)
The future isn't real. "Knowing" what someone with free will will do is logical guessing at best.

>>511319225
This sentence has no meaning.

>>511319609
He either knows or he guesses. If god is guessing, he is not all-knowing and thus he is not a god.

>>511319632
What don't you understand?

>>511318868
Cool story, chang

>>511299069 (OP)
>polak thinks he is smarter than god
>he knows the one true future that will happen
enjoy your motb

You're talking about the made up God of Abraham which is nothing more than an egregore for running an orderly civilization .

The real living God encompasses everything both good and evil but it would collapse this fake civilization if we started following reality instead of the man-made society and it's limiting concepts (do not kill, do not steal, etc)

>>511319710
There is nothing "free" in not having a choice.

>>511319609
Free will isn't bound by logic or anything else. It wouldn't be free if it was.

>>511299069 (OP)
Yep. Same goes for him being "Almighty". How does free will coexist with God allegedly being "Almighty". The bible is jewish nonsense. Medieval NPC garbage.

>>511319835
Your choices are not free will. They are yours and wouldn't exist without you.

Forgot picrel. If you're only positive and good, you're incomplete and flawed/limited. This is what tptb won't tell you. Animals are superior to humans. They follow the true God of natural instinct and can be both good and evil without having any qualms about their actions.

Humans are very flawed and very broken

>>511319890
>whatever I decide is free will
How did this meme start?

>>511319891
There are no choices made if god knows the future.

pajeets hide behind free memeflags instead of expensive vpn because they are saving money for scam credentials to migrate to their chosen host organism/nation. they have to conceal their identity which is synonymous with that agenda, or else they are simply ignored as the spam they are

got carried away. picrel is flow and balance between polarities.

It's easy to escape the problem of evil by just giving up one of the premises; maybe he's not all-powerful, maybe he's not all-knowing, or maybe he's not all-good.

But give up any of these premises and you ruin the palliative effect of God as a cosmic parent who is the backstop against any/all potential bad outcomes.

do you qualify for the 8/8 gr8 club?
>you are 8/8 gr8 if all eight of your great-grandparents were born in the country indicated by your flag.
join today and receive your free decoder ring!

even more anons can be in the 4/4 b4 club:
>you are 4/4 b4 if all four of your grandparents were born in the country indicated by your flag.
still pretty good. that's a start. your kids might be 8/8 if you play your genes right.

>a-ok! so then what about the 2/2 too club? what do we get if both parents were born here?
you get to keep earning your citizenship. one or more of your grandparents were immigrants. that might have been novel and cool in moderation in the 20th century, but now it just means kalergi replacement. your family should be audited for merit and kept on homeland security probation until the immigrant generation passes.

>why are grandparents the cutoff?
because most people grow up with their grandparents as elder archetypes, the living representation of their ancestry and belonging in a territory. if your grandparents came from somewhere else, you share a definitive disconnect with them as your living roots trail far away with divided memories, sensibilities and loyalties.
if you're only concerned with relatives born in your present country, then you stand to gain nothing by dismantling its foundational culture, and there's no question as to where you belong. only immigrants and their orchestrators might benefit from new societal compromises in the name of multiculturalism and DEI.

>>511319997
>I make no choices
Really?

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

no white people are derived from the south asian subcontinent. white people are of the western world, of european tradition and ancestry (aka christendom). white people explored, colonized and uplifted the world's straggling diversity into a modern age. meanwhile pajeets waited centuries for the next superior outsiders to give them purpose and identity.

"aryans" were an ancient example of white people, and they no longer exist in that form. there is no "indo-european" anything worth mentioning. the modern pajeet is a degraded copy of a copy of an ancient aryan's slave, long abandoned to his own primitive devices. a more recent example of abandoned pajeet slaves, this time far from home, are the gypsies in europe.

it would seem that the distasteful business of slavery may have evolved to meet the needs of the slaves themselves. what if specific cultures of humanity are natural and organic slaves, and to deprive them of their god-given role in life can only result in corruptions? what if freedom is only a mind-bending poison to these poor souls, and separates them from instinctive happiness? then what has been done to so many? what cruelty has this been, raising them up to stand as peers and rivals to anyone?

>>511319972
Then he's not All-knowing, nigger. What don't you understand? All-knowing entails knowing ALL, including everything that happens in ALL of future. If he knows this, then free will is a scam. Why even play the game of humanity when he can just send us to heaven/hell right away, since he knows all outcomes?

>>511320650
What makes you think your choices aren't completely predictable?

>>511299069 (OP)
>Pretending to be on the same level of understanding as a literal God
Wow Piotr you've totally convinced me

>>511320889
Because it is irrelevant when he KNOWS. He doesn't have to predict.

>>511321069
So what are you claiming isn't known?

>>511299069 (OP)
>he knows the one true future that will happen, thus humans have no free will. Him knowing beforehand creates one fixed future
You are correct and that is why ultimately religious authorities advocate to surrender to god

>>511321283
For an all-knowing god, everything is known.

>>511321372
Humans never had free will, only their own and a chance to understand God's.

>>511321401
So what's your problem?

>>511321372
By giving them money, right?

>>511299934
>With only one future existing because of god, you dot have a choice but to follow a straight path.

No.
You can freely choose evil at any time.
You have free will.

>>511302111
To test you.
He knows you will pass the test.
Just as you test a child to do something that you know he CAN do, but you still tell him to do it.

If you trace back determinism to one singular quantum point - that, is the free will, your soul.
It's even scientifically proven - double slit experiment & sir roger penrose's quote "consciousness is not computational."

You're welcome. Next time you have any question about religion - just look it up in google and dont start 4chan thread. This kind of question was asked millions of time already by people much smarter than me and you.

>>511321486
Read the thread. If an all-knowing god exists, free will is impossible.

>>511321651
Free will is God's will though. You don't have anything to do with it.

>>511321450
Agreed, and for someone who is able to understand this compassion for everything that lives is the only rational response

>>511320068
6/8 here. 2 came from the german reich. do i still get a crackkker jack box ring

>>511321699
Why are you getting punished for actions you have no control over?

>>511321604
You are not choosing anything.

>>511321587
I mean mystics and figures of that caliber, not religious merchants

>satanic /pol/
You guys need a containment board

>>511321825
I do have control. I would never make a mistake if my will was free.

>>511321990
You have no control if the knowing god knows what your next action will be every time.

>>511321283
Imagine being this retarded.

>>511322085
I can know what you're going to do without being in control of you.

>>511321450
The legal system(contract law) doesn’t work without free will.

>>511322353
>The legal system(contract law) doesn’t work
That's a different thread and your will is not God's.

>>511322329
You don't know shit. You, as a human predict. God knows. That's the difference.

>>511322492
Why does this bother you?

>>511322773
If god exists, you have no free will. I don't believe in gods.

you have freewill more metaphysically than materially
don't believe me?
then keep being here forever

>>511321604
>You can freely choose evil at any time.
You have free will.
Or how about i instead choose to reject existence that i have no interest in and never asked for?
And If i have free will, why i am denied such choice?

>>511322969
Free will is God's will, not yours.

>>511323125
Negro, you never explained what this "gods free will" is.

>>511323084
Excellent point, Ivan. You cannot kill yourself because your life is predicated on free will. You can only make ancillary choices which may lead to your death.

>>511323234
I could sum it up by saying it would manifest in actions you would be compelled to take in the absence of any recognized stimulus, like hunger or logic. Breathing, for example.

>>511299069 (OP)
are we seriously going to have this thread every time some newfag hits 16 and starts thinking about things?
christianity is dead ffs, and even back when it wasn't nobody gave a shit about the bible, that's why it's so riddled with inconsistencies.

>>511323084
We dont know if we agreed or not to this existence. We do not remember.

>>511323613
Christianity is real and russia and her errors was mentioned in Fatima apparitions. Soon (2026-2027) global events will begin which will end up in russia becoming christian country again after satanic communists tried to kill christianity.

We are living in the end times.

>>511323550
How is this relevant to the fucking thread?

>>511323770
Christianity is as real as a turd and exactly as relevant to God.

>>511323941
You said humans have no free will as if anyone ever said they did. There is your will and there is free will and I'm just trying to help you out.

>>511324081
You are pulling shit out of your ass as these "revelations" are not in the bible.

>>511299069 (OP)
the main argument for how it's all fake is just time. nothing has come true about Christianity (or any other religion) despite thousands of years passing.

why are there no new religions appearing?
why are there no new prophets?
why are there no new miracles?

i get the religionfags will just say something dumb like "God works in mysterious ways" or that "time does not flow the same for God" but they truly don't know and just make shit up to cope. faith is the absence of logic and thus anything can be made up about it.

>>511323770
>Christianity is real
in what relevant country is it real?

>>511324221
I guess you could say that they were revealed to me through free will, but I did read the Bible.

>>511299069 (OP)
Free will is retarded. All choices are either deterministic or random by logical necessity. Even if you for the sake of argument, grant all the magic bullshit about a soul driving the ship, then you just end up with either magical determinism or magical randomness. Either the choice from the soul was made through some prior nature/memory or something, or then the will to make the choice just appeared out of literally nowhere. Neither of which fit this vacuous idea "true free will".

Kikeshills still kvetching over literal pilpul
>We define what God can and cannot do
>God has to follow OUR rules
>We outargued God btw, how? By writing down that we did in talmud

Coward and a mental midget pole still at it I see.

Who can fathom the Spirit[d] of the Lord,
or instruct the Lord as his counselor?
14
Whom did the Lord consult to enlighten him,
and who taught him the right way?
Who was it that taught him knowledge,
or showed him the path of understanding?

Every single one of these retarded challenges is predicated upon knowing better than God when this retarded pole clearly does not.
>I know the definition of good and evil better than God hence I can say God isnt being perfectly good or allowing evil
>I know better than God the limitations of logic so I can say God has to follow it and he cant break it nevermind this would already contradict the assumption that he is all powerful so it is meaningless to point this out to people who claim God is all powerful

Again just breakfast posting morons who cant grasp that the questions and logictraps they lay out only work because they have their heads up their asses and are incapable of asking the questions that led to the questions.

>Can I actually define good and evil for everything, everywhere, all the time
No some random pole anon clearly does not have that definition
>Can I prove God has to follow the rules of logic
No the retarded pole has spent this whole thread running away because he realized he's a retard for ignoring what the bible spells out, ALPHA AND OMEGA.

>God has to follow logic says so in the bible
>Where?
>Kvetches and pilpuls another 50 posts
A brood of vipers and a synagogue of satan

>>511299279
maybe he doesn't have one, ever thought of that? maybe you need a father in sky

>>511325018
>random
You just don't have access to enough context to determine that.

>>511325137
You literally do that each time you pray

>>511299069 (OP)
You have the wrong idea about predetermination.

Time flows like a river, with different sub rivers wich enbodies different outcomes.
God just knows where every river is flowing.
The only reason he might even hangaround investigating us is to know which path we take.
Thats the reason why he wont interfere with us too.
He wants to be entertained.

But, like most rivers, we will flow into the same destibation: the sea.
The end is already written, its about the paths we take.

>>511325595
>thy kingdom come
>thy will be done
I don't think this guy knows what a prayer is.

>>511325427
>a father in sky
At least we know what religion you follow.

>>511299069 (OP)
>If he isn't all-knowing then he is no god and the bible is a lie.
welcome back anon. your archetype will be revealing itself to you shortly.

>>511322969
If god is Omniscient and omnipotent, then he is either powerless to stop this madness or doesn't care.....

>>511325798
Pilpul

Any prayer where you ask for anything is telling the jewgod he did something wrong lol

>>511325789
That's not what knowing ALL means.

prayer is just lazier meditation
but both will have similar results if you have empathic intent and clarity in the focus

>>511299069 (OP)
We have free Will, we can change the future

>>511326070
Where is the request?

>>511326013
We already knew the answer 2000byears ago

Jews just tricked the dumbest people into worshiping an inversion of reality

>>511326013
He does care, we are his version of reality TV.

He weeps for us, he cheerishes us, he hates us, he condescents us.

>>511325495
Yes I do. You have no way of describing an impetus for a choice, which neither originates from a prior state, thought, memory, nature etc. (even including magical ones, like God or the soul.) and also isn't a purely random occurrence out of nothing. There is nothing else from where such an impetus could arise, not even hypothetically as a thought experiment. You might as well try to ask if we can really be sure there aren't married bachelors or four sided triangle out there somewhere. If you think there is, give me an example.

I just flipped a coin to decide about answering it.
Free will in motion.
I also decided to call OP a fag
Free will in motion.

I lied about both statements.
Because I decided to do so.

>>511326383
>a purely random occurrence out of nothing
This is what you don't have access to enough context to prove. It is interesting that you would place God in the other category.

>>511325595
>I dont know what prayer is, but let me tell you what it is and why youre wrong

Thanks for proving you have your head up your ass. Clearly someone who never bothered to take 10 seconds to look up what prayer in christianity is and how God instructed us to pray

>Durrr ya mean prayer in christianity isnt like da bazed pagans hollerin at da tree for big cows?

And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10
YOUR kingdom come,
YOUR will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11
Give us today our daily bread.
12
And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13
And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if YOU are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but YOURS be done.”

Here I made it easier for YOU to see the connections YOU breakfast eater

>Hurr durr why da people correctin God check ate theists! Ya thunk ya know better than God haha!
>When the whole point of prayer is to align yourself to God's will not impose yours on God
Satanic inverters of everything good, always playing dumb or spreading missassumptions to lure away sheep. BROOD OF VIPERS

>>511300541
I hate the gay ass avatars they make for the engines in these videos.

>>511326013
God is currently engaged in stopping this madness.

>>511326174
>Retarde still posting this when it already got btfo

Define good and evil for me, you cant? Then how can you claim God is one or the other as your shitty meme image claims?

>No i dont know the rules, I dont have the rulebook nor do I even know what game we are playing, but Im sure God is breaking the rules anyways
>Which rules?
>Da rules!
Breakfast eaters, the lot of you

>>511326602
You are the one claiming that an impetus for a choice, can have no preconditions, no prior motion, no prior state, no entities like Gods or spirits acting upon it - absolutely nothing preceding it or being the reason for it occurring. And yet, somehow it still is not a random occurrence out of nothing. It is a logical contradiction, which is why you cannot even give an example of such an impetus as a thought experiment, because you know it can either be reduced to "it occurred literally for no reason" or "it occurred due to some natural or magical preconditions".

>Gives you the "free will" pass
>you get eternal torture for ever using it
I'm calling God's bluff. I have the free will to not believe in him.

>>511327061
I am saying the opposite, friendo.

>>511327104
Your will isn't free will. It's yours.

>>511327104
>Get invitation to wedding feast
>Make up excuse to not go
>End up outside in the dark while everybody else is inside partying and eating
>Oy vey why did God do this to me?
Idiot

>>511326989
>we can't define good and evil
>the bible tells me what's good and evil though

Lol sorry christjew but this isn't your grandma's Facebook group

>>511327428
If I write your name, have I named you?

>>511325595
A lot of these gaytheists are into affirmations and "manifesting," and will even justify it as being scientifically plausible in a godless/un-supernatural universe by saying that well when you do those things it doesn't do anything MAGICAL but it might attune your mind to be aware of some opportunity or something that you may have been otherwise unaware of..... but then they'll scoff at the idea of prayer, acting like it's utterly useless.

>>511327268
>create people and create circumstances that make them reject your wedding feast
>throw a tantrum

Christianity is an inversion where the created is more responsible than the all powerful creator that controlled every variable lol

>>511326072
In my opinion it does.

Tell me where or what the difference is.
He knows all the paths you can take, he just wants to see wich path you take.
And in the end, it doesnt even matter, all the paths lead back to him.
This is what we woud call entertainment.
But god is done playing games(interacting wit us), he would rather watch a shitty all incompassing version of takeshis castle.

>>511327428
>The bible defines what good and evil is
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments

All I see are a list of rules for israel and a new commandment from God-man for humans to follow
Mustve missed the dictionary definition of Good and evil God also provided in the section you know about but nobody else does.
So then what is it?

>>511327568
Manifesting is psychologically psyching you up. Basically a cringier version of "you got this" speeches

Prayer is groveling to the ceiling for some invisible deaf mute to bless you

>>511327715
It's your religion. You explain the contradiction lol.

>>511327592
He KNOWS the path you will take. Knows ALL.

>>511327798
>pic related is what atheists actually believe

>>511326989
I muse that Good and Evil are universal constants that can exist independent of the existence of a deity, but not in the dualistic sense that there must always be balance between the two elements. This means Good and Evil are objective and not relative to the attitudes of humans.

>>511327798
Hey breakfast eater point us to the God given definition for what defines good and evil in the bible. Probably starts with him saying listen up folks this is what good is and this is what evil is or something like your delusions told you.

>He finds something
>God fulfills that definition
>Oy vey not like that!
You cant and you wont because youre a coward and have your head up your ass about as much as that retarded pole.
Good luck finding that definition though!
>I've never read the bible
>But I know it contains the definition of good and evil
>And God breaks it, no I cant point to exactly which "rule" that is part of the definition of good or evil, just trust me ok!?
You know you arent very bright, this atheism is just your way of patting yourself on the back and deluding yourself into thinking you are without any serious effort. Otherwise you wouldnt rely on stupid memes that fall apart with the least bit of introspection.

Go eat breakfast then work on yourself

>>511328158
>universal constants that can exist independent of the existence of a deity
Not unless you think God is a man in the sky.

>>511328059
>god answers the prayer of Gertrude to find a parking spot

>screaming children about to be shot in the face? nah I don't believe in that shit

Lol

>>511327981
Youre the one posting retarded memes you cant even explain

>I know God isnt good lol!
>How
>Y-you explain it to me h-haha
Retard

>>511328433
lol please keep posting

>>511328298
You explain it. It's your religion lol.

You say you can't define good and evil then tell me to follow the bible because it tells you what's good and evil lmao

>>511328439
You're the one who made the claim. You defend it lol

Cry more you made the misstep because your pilpul usually work on grannies lol

>>511328158
Good is what spread your genes and creates stable environment to keep the offspring alive. Bad is what leads to death of your genes. This extends to family, tribe, nation in hierarchy of importance.

>>511328053
Semantics.
Why should we argue about that?
We have a different outlook on the same outcome.
What we argue about is if we have free will or not.
I explained how free will is a possibility although there exists a omnipotent being.

I didnt see any better explaination then mine.
It neither contradicts gods way in accordence to his gospels, nor is it incomprehensible for us as humans without the ability to "map out" time.

>>511328777
Well put. Whose will would you say this describes, yours or free?

>>511328611
Where did I say the bible tells you what is good and evil? I literally already mocked you for being a retard who didnt know what actual prayer is about and also thinking the bible tells you what the spiritual dictionary definition of good and evil is.

Youre so retarded you have no counterargument except playing dumb as if Im responsible for proving your claims

Youre a retard claiming you KNOW God isnt fulfilling some requirement of being good yet you cant even tell anybody what those requirements entail.

Then you tell us it's in the bible and when we refute you on that you double down and say it is but refuse to show us where and say we have to find it for you.

Really retarded. But keep going, keep making an ass out of yourself

>242 posts
>ctrl+f molinism, ctrl+f middle knowledge
>0 results
oof
apologian team needs to hit the books, chapter 2

>>511329174
Spoonfeed me

>>511329015
Genetic will. Survival instinct.

>>511329267
ya is it free or yours?

>>511329056
>Define good and evil for me, you cant? Then how can you claim God is one or the other as your shitty meme image claims?

Oops. If humans do not have the ability to define good and evil we have no reason to believe god of the bible either

Try again.

>>511329267
So you are proposing that god is just our memes and genes, in perpetual motion to grow and spread?
Entertaining thought.

lol holy shit

>>511328433
>implying normalfag lives matter
>>screaming evil and sinful normalfag children about to be shot in the face? nah I don't believe in that shit
Fixed you.
There your answer.
And you should get way better example like that jap schoolgirl getting tortured

>>511329563
>we get what we deserve
Ivan is 2 for 2.

>>511329241
basically it's a philosophically rigorous framework that allows for divine sovereignty/determinism, free will, omnipotence, omnibenevolence and omniscience to all exist simultaneously by proposing that God knows not only what WILL happen, but what COULD happen in any given situation, based on free choices people might make. this lets Him design a world where His plan unfolds through truly free decisions.

one of the strongest defenses (not theodicies) for the problem of evil is transworld depravity put forth by alvin plantinga, and it fits within the molinist framework like a glove.

>>511299069 (OP)
It can be true that X will happen, has not happened yet, can be known, and still comes to fruition by choice.


Pre destination is not the choice being made for you, it is the act of thinking before your act. You don’t go to hell for breaking the law, you go to hell for refusing to believe the gospel.
The text implies that God seeking everyone to change their mind about the cross won’t get what he wants. Implying there is infact a choice to this.
You’re trusting a perfect being here, they’re doing all the work for you. The basis for this is predicated literally on simply believing the gospel, not being religious.

>>511328777
>muh hierarchy
Good goy.

>>511329315
It's programmed in your genes. You are a robot, Harry.

>>511329742
So why did Junko Furuta deserved all that shit happened to her or that innocent 4 year old that got cancer?

>>511326673
see >>511326070

>>511299513
you are God you massive fucking retard, wake up

>>511329332
Still waiting for those bible verses defining good and evil like you promised retard

>You cant define universal good and evil? Then you cant follow God!
>Why not
>You just cant ok!?
Still gonna, seethe
>What do you mean that's what faith and trust is? How dare abraham accept God was gonna give him a son if he cant understand how God was gonna do it!

>Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

It's actually sad how obvious your ignorance of what the bible actually contains is and how clearly youve made it known that all your knowledge on this topic comes from shitty memes and hearsay from reddit, discord or whatever other tranny den vomits out this crap.

Go back

>but I cannot change reality or fulfill my dreams

thats because you are too retarded to control your power, but I am not

I am a not retarded version of you

>>511330287
>>511330385
Yup really sad, denying what is right in your face

>Praying God's will be done
>This is you asking God for stuff! Your will not God's!

Shortcircuited retard.

>>511299069 (OP)

you do realize that God operates outside of your simpleminded if>then logic, right?
The guy invented the human body for fuck's sake. If that isn't a sign of divine intelligence, then you deserve to rot in whatever hell He will create for the unbelievers.

>>511330343
A tire does not make car.

But if your intent was to fuck with him, ignore this post and go on kek.

>>511329809
Will look further into, thank you.

>>511329490
There is no god. Just actions that help us spread our genes. The religion cope was one ot them, but now when the environment is different, it does more harm than good. All death cults are anti-life in the long run. Muslims and Christians pushing their bullshit will cause death and an unstable environment to rise children. It's bad.

>>511330192
>happened to
Are they really the victims?

>>511329931
No. You dot understand what "knowing" is. Humans don't know shit about other humans.

>>511329938
Family first you fool.

>>511330385
So you're saying the bible can't define good and evil?

Wow it's a worthless source of morality then

Thanks for clearing that up for us. Wew.

>>511330560
Have you ever asked god for anything

Yes or no?

>>511330563
A perfect being can communicate perfectly

>amazing human body
>designed to choke from the same place you eat from
>dies if you drink water that isn't adequately purified
>Vestigial tailbone exists for some reason

>>511330753
If you believe the book, then you’ve demonstrated what you just said to be a lie didn’t you?

So naturally the arguement being made presumes the book is bullshit and that’s why you come to that conclusion because the premise for these things do not actually produce a proper assessment of what the books suggestion hence there’s a discussion on it and it’s filled with disingenous retards.

>>511299069 (OP)
God just has a really good sharingan.

>>511329490
Btw, you enforce laws to keep evil retards from disrupting your environment that is helping your genes spread. I.e. you kill the nigga who is trying to introduce drugs into your local community. Why? Because drugs increase the chances of your offspring dying before they can spread their genes. It's fucking easy.

>>511299069 (OP)
No because the future hasnt happened yet god knows everything their is to know bound by the what currently exists the future simply does not exist yet

>>511330663
Yes, literally.

>>511329490
Btw, you enforce laws to keep evil retards from disrupting your environment that is helping your genes spread. I.e. you kill the nigga who is trying to introduce drugs into your local community. Why? Because drugs increase the chances of your offspring dying before they can spread their genes. It's fucking easy.

You can build morality around evolution. Christians stole some natural laws and published ther 10 commandments. Same shit but without Jesus.

>>511330809
>What do you mean society currently operates without knowing what universal good and evil are by just simply following rules we all "agree" on!?
>What do you mean God also gave us rules to follow while we still cant define universal good and evil!? HE CANT DO THAT ONLY SOCIETY CAN!
>Why not
>He just cant ok!?

>Trump can make laws you follow
>But God isnt allowed to apparently

You sure love telling God what he cannot do. Retarded tiny monke telling God he cant do this and he cant do that, funny.

Thanks for the laughs clown

>>511328053
No, He doesn’t. He knows all possible consequences of any path you choose to take(there are only two paths to follow) but does not know and cannot know which path you will choose to take.

>>511299069 (OP)
Tim Pool is a russian whore

>>511331540
Nigga, source?
In the bible it says that he knows ALL.

>>511331347
>Retard monke would rather learn IRS tax code and espionage act instead of:
>11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

>But I dont WANNA
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

BROOD OF VIPERS

>>511330617
Are you pro-choice? If so, how does that help you spread your genes?

>>511331678
Are you illiterate?

>>511331347
>you can't define good and evil
>the bible tells you what's good and evil

Pick one lol. You flopping desperately in your own pilpul is getting tiresome

>>511331764
I'm not when the children are white as I'm white as well.

>>511331861
I can read.

>>511331891
>Laws are good and evil
Really now youre gonna sit here and tell me with a straight face you can go and seperate every single law ever made into the category of good or evil?
You really are retarded.

Was the big beautiful bill good or evil?
Clown keep on clowning

>>511332031
>didn't answer the question

I accept your defeat

>>511299069 (OP)
It's the same thing as the stone he can't lift koan. From the higher reality point of view, freewill dichtomy might not even exist.

>>511332031
It depends if it benefits your tribe or not. I'm sure Jews are happy about it and it's good for their genes.

>>511299069 (OP)
see, i've watched lots of marvel and i have given this considerate thought.
god indeed knows every timeline and though the timeline keeps getting changed by free will, thats why there is so much suffering. but god chose the best timeline to come to pass, the very way he spawned light time and mass into existence, was always meant to come to pass. so suffering is proof that there is free will, even though god dictated every thing that was ever going to happen in that initual creation. but only by the flow upon which free will affects the best possible timeline. god is connected between past present and future like that.

>>511332154
Yeah you didnt, now answer it how many good and how many evil laws does america have? Which ones are good and which ones are evil? According to you this should be easy right? Theyre clear cut good or evil!
Is the espionage act of 1917 good or evil?
Clown keep on clowning

>>511332191
There is no higher plane as there is no proof of it existing.

>>511332318
>word salad meltdown
>still can't answer the question

christgolem please reboot your OS

>>511331285
Your example is interesting, but you sound like a dogmatic slave to your memes.

I dont have to kill the nigger, i just have to explain to my hyphothetical offspring that its shit while pointing at the neighboors druggaddled kids and tell em "drugs bad, mhhh key?".
If they still take em, its prove of their free will and a purging of bad memes + (probably) less diserable genes.
So free will (or atleast in your POV, the meme of free will) done natures job.

Your example woud have been more worth of discussion if the nigger was an imminate thread i woud have to actively take action against, instead of a passive one.

>>511332430
>Retard dodges the trap he put himself in
Youve gotta stop doing this to yourself
Thanks for conceding giving you laws isnt the same as defining good and evil
>Trump is a more valid source for laws than God
>Breaking north korean laws is now evil
Youre such a funny clown lol

>>511324519
>why are there no new prophets?
>why are there no new miracles?

Literally happening daily, ask chatgpt.
There is one prophet in america who predicted trump assassination attempt exactly the way it happened.

>>511332529
New thread.

>>511332657
Wtf is this jewbot babbling about lmao

You're the one who made the claim humans can't define good and evil. Is that true or not.

>>511332430
>>word salad
Go to be redditor somewhere else, faggot
>golem
You treat official narrative like word of god, so lets that sink in

>>511331995
To resolve the apparent contradiction between an all-knowing God and man’s free will, it is necessary to assume that God knows all possible outcomes of a choice that a man can make but cannot know what actual choice that man will make.

Once a choice is made; all other outcomes cease to be possible.

>>511299534
>>511302945
Yeah, but you're forgetting it isn't just complete knowledge we are talking about here. The claim is that god also made the entire universe with foreknowledge, so he is responsible.

>>511332916
>>511333215

>>511332971
>Keeps hiding behind playin dumb
Clown
Thanks for letting me thoroughly clap yo cheeks ;)
>Slander God
>Get called out on his slander being based on faulty assumptions
>N-no you! I totally know what good and evil are, that's why I can say God isnt good.
>Asked for proof
>Kvetches instead of providing proof
Still waiting for the bible definition of good and evil you kept crying about.
>He cries because it exists
>Then because it doesnt
>Thinks people cant see he's just dodging left and right trying to scurry around the issues like a lil rat

16 “To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:

17
“‘We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not mourn.’

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

BROOD OF VIPERS

>>511330563
Wisdom teeth.

>>511332984
Bible declares that incoreect

Oh nono.. free will bros how do we deflect now

>>511332981
Sounds like something a golem would say

>>511333980
>Thank goodness cavemen dentists removed wisdom teeth how would humanity have been able to survive for millenia with this huge oversight that wouldve doomed us all!
Crybaby

>>511333880
Words words words

You still haven't answered your claim

Can humans define good and evil or not? Yes or no

>>511334188
They died at like 30 after reproducing due to dental hygiene issues.

>>511334275
You made the slander, so you tell me.
Clown
>Imma post image saying God no good
>I know what good is, I do!
Then what is it clown? Quit scurrying like a rat and be a man

>>511334275
depends, i could kill every nigger man, nigger woman, nigger boy and nigger girl in the world and i would consider myself a saint. retards would consider me evil.

>>511334414
>still no answer
>ashamed of the position he started with

Lol I'm gonna assume deep down inside you know everything you're defending is logically falacoius and that you're an enormous Jew worshiping faggot lmao

>>511334355
>Either so lazy he couldnt even ai google it or so retarded he didnt read the info correctly, doesnt know what an average is, or didnt know this easy trivia already
>These are the people trying to convince you the creator of the universe isnt real
Lol, clowns.

>those who survived childhood and early adulthood could live into their 50s or even 60s.

>>511334626
>Hides behind more shitty regurgitated memes
>Doesnt even dare mention his initial shitty meme that got btfo
Coward AND a clown I see
Still waiting for you to prove you know God isnt good because you know what being good entails in its universal entirety.

>>511334806
You can't claim victory when people can see your lulzy reply chain christjew

You made the claim that humans can't define good and evil lol

Cope and seethe

>>511334923
You made the claim God isnt good because you knew what good is.

I simply reminded you youre a retard who doesnt know what being good is. So far youre doing a great job proving to everyone you are indeed, a retard who doesnt know what is good or evil

>>511334664
>could live into their 50s or even 60s.
>could
Yeah you *could* live to be 110.

>>511335036
I don't think you're even convinced of your own arguments your just posting to save your ego

Can humans define good and evil? Yes or no

If you can't answer then just admit you lost lol

>>511335188
Do you know what is universal good or evil yes or no
Just answer or concede youre a regurgitated meme posting retard who cant think for himself lol
You started the chain with your smug retardation so you answer first clown

>>511335302
>he didn't answer
>ashamed of his initial position

Lol I rest my case

>>511335399
>He didnt answer
>Ashamed of his initial position
I rest my case lol
Such a funny clown, keep posting that meme so people can keep btfo you every thread
>He thought he was so smart and was gonna get away with posting it here
Not today :)

>>511332154
>defeat
It’s fucking ‘concession’

Mother fucking fisher-price up in this bitch bait thread. Fucking jump-start sounding niggers. Type to learn kike

>>511335555
>Wasnt even an actual saying from epicurus
Bet the clown didnt even know that either
Nobody tell him where it actually came from, might break his fragile ego