How did Germans lose WW2 when they had this?

>>511329246 (OP)
They had 7 of them and the Americans took half of them.

german soldiers far outperformed everybody else on an individual basis.

>>511329246 (OP)
well its an stg 44 not an stg 39 so theres the problem.

Also having to fight on both sides of your country at the same time is a fuckup. Should have beaten the russians and started taking the extra land first before fucking with the french.

>>511329246 (OP)
The entire world came crashing down on them. Jets, assault rifles, they miles ahead as far as individual soldier performance could go.
>>511329397
this.

>>511329246 (OP)
Small arms make almost no difference in a modern war. Jerking off over different rifles like it mattered is retarded.
>>511329397
Nope, Canadians did. Look it up

>>511329246 (OP)
It's primitive compared the assault rifle Soviets would develop.

>>511329246 (OP)
Because Hitler decided to declare war on the USSR and start having a two front war rather then just focus on Britain

>>511329594
they fought like everybody else.
and once air and naval superiority is gone and you have to fight "normal" you get the Dieppe Raid or Hürtgen Forest

>>511329246 (OP)

because there aren't enough bullets in it for 40 million russians

>>511329246 (OP)
too little too late. wasted money on vonderveapons, and killing jews. doomed to failure from the start. just like putin.

>>511329246 (OP)
idk what model that is. Prob something you only know exists because of Admins channel.

>>511329246 (OP)
>How did Germans lose WW2

By becoming allies with the Japs who Pearl Harbored us. Germany bent over backwards by not only avoiding war with America but also promoted investing by American industries such as GM, Ford and IBM.

Germany might have lost the war, but they helped us win the Moon Race and for that I will always be grateful. Also them immigrating here in the millions centuries ago led to their American descendents being industrious, therefore securing American hegemony. We wouldn't be a powerhouse without the based Germs who crossed the ocean.

>>511329392
Yup, not yet ready to mass produce them, plus a full auto rifle won't stop cannons and tanks and aircraft superiority

>>511329246 (OP)
Not really a decisive factor to win a war.
But here is the k-d ratio.

Looks vaguely like an ak47

Ponderous

>>511331536
completely different operation in the internals

>>511331294
They were mass producing them, they made several hundred thousand and the cost of a ach unit was actually surprisingly low due to the use of stamped sheet metal. Problem is just that the production got off the ground too late. Would it have made a difference if it was available en masse in 1939? Maybe, but ultimately the war was won by an overwhelming logistical advantage rather than by who had the best guns.

>>511331403
Will Germany ever forgive us for being forced to switch sides at the last moment under russian pressure?

Wasted all their money on fancy shit

Supply problems. A regiment with automatic rifles is a quartermasters nightmare.

>>511330824
Nevermind that mutts like to conveniently "forget" how there actually were quite some sympathies growing in the US at first.

>>511331037
Delusional German-American as always, We Wuzzing. Germans moved into Britain and the US because Anglos were ahead of them in industrialisation and had a much more dynamic economies.
Pic in 1917, after all the peak white migration had ended, top traded companies, and the only German is the sugar merchant. Goodyear is listed as German but it was their Anglo CEO that did all the inventions. Rockefellors entire wealth in oil was based of an English chemist making a breakthrough in processing oil. America would be no different if no Germans were in America and Spanish or Swedes took their place. America was industrialised by Anglos, not Germans.

Imagine being an adult and believing in the moon landing.

>>511329492
Well said anon.
Plus it doesnt do much against 60 million ruskies with ppsh type submachine guns

>>511331986
You royal family is all german ffs.

>>511329246 (OP)
Because bombers and ships are far more important than infantry weapons.

>be me
>have an m16
>go to downtown innercityshithole
>find a gang of 7 likely niggers
>tell them I can kill them all at once 1v7
>they all pull out glocks and shoot me
>manage to kill four of them before I die
Here's your WW2 allegory bro

Bit scarier

>>511329246 (OP)
hitler was jew and british spy, that's why they lose

>>511332293
mogged

>>511332074
Do I have to point out that the royal family a) are not an absolute monarchy and b) have never lead in some wars like medieval wars, and c) have produced nothing of value and are merely the ceremonial figurehead of the oligarchy - and they likely fuck children, as Jimmy Savilles case shows. Notice British history went from histories of monarchs, to the histories of famous sailors, admirals, inventors, because the royals are fucking useless.

>>511329246 (OP)
And mutty amerifats had BAR M1918? A a assault rifle.
So what?

>>511329594
>Almost every Canadian that fought in WW2 was of Germanic descent.
Really makes you think.

>>511332740
Oh dear, it's retarded.
The BAR fires the 7.62x61 or .30-06 round.
It has waaaaayyyy too much force for a small assault rifle like the stg.
It was also much heavier and meant to be a squad lmg.
Learn some basic history ffs.

>>511332740
BAR uses a full rifle cartridge, is much heavier, and had a much longer effective range than an assault rifle.

>>511332944
>meant to be a squad lmg.
retard, it was literally designed for trench fighting

>>511331926
There were internment camps for ethnic Germans but you only hear about Japanese being forced into them

>>511333118
As a squad lmg.
Do some basic research leaf.

>>511333118
Sometimes it served double duty as a beefed up assault rifle but it was designed for squad level support

>>511329246 (OP)
rifles are almost entirely useless in war, wars are won with artillery and your ability to mass produce more artillery shells than your enemy

>>511333127
It isn't a secret that German citizens in America were put into temporary camps, usually only a few weeks to process, and treated entirely lawfully, which is exactly what you'd expect in the biggest war in the history of the human race - or do you think Germans should have been given some VIP treatment?

>>511333329
Without infantry arty could be smashed by scout/cav type forces.
And air attack

>>511329246 (OP)
Like all of the wunderwaffe it was too little too late. The only way to win was to capture the BEF at Dunkirk, then somehow pull off Operation Sea Lion. The cause was doomed when he left Britain alive in his rear while committing the same folly as Napoleon.

Because America had Thompsons, BARs, M1919 belt fed etc.

small arms don't matter in modern mechanized war
Indirect fire is the cause of vast majority of all deaths

>>511329246 (OP)
Probably because they had every goy golem nation throwing poorfag corpses at them until they couldn't handle it. Russia alone sent an ass ton of men to their deaths to save the jews.

>>511329246 (OP)
They declared war on the entire planet and almost won

>>511331403
These are made up numbers to make the UDSSR look bad.

>>511333316
In theory it should have been better than an stg, but in practice it was just a little too powerful.

>>511333973
The M1919 and BAR were vastly inferior to the MG34 and MG42. The real war winner was the Garand. Every one of our rifleman had a semi-auto when most Krauts were still using bolt actions.

>>511329730
Why did he declared war on ussr? I never got a good explanation for it that is based in realpolitik, tf was that retard even thinking

>>511333995
Yes you can read the post 5 above yours, well done

>>511329246 (OP)
Small arms hardly make a difference.
US had M1 Garands as the standard rifle while Germcucks had the Kar98k
Soviets had the SVT which blew the G41/43 out of the water.
Soviets also had crazy SMG's for close quarters.
Soviets were also one year away from having the fucking AK47 in WW2 if the war continued.

>>511334133
Because if Stalin had sent his 200 divisions and more than 10k tanks little Germany would have been crushed. Giving the first move to Hitler plays into urgency but in reality there was no chance of victory because Russia is too big

>>511334133
He believed (rightly) that war with Stalin was inevitable. Barbarossa was a major.blunder though. History has shown that the Russians cannot effectively fight an offensive war. He had a defensive genius in Gotthard Heinrici who he could have put on the border to repel any Soviet incursions while he dealt with Britian. If they had the time to develop nukes, they could have stuck them on V2s and glassed the commies and bongs alike.

>>511334126
>Every one of our rifleman had a semi-auto when most Krauts were still using bolt actions
Exactly, wherbs think every Germutt soldier always had an MP40 or StG44 which is lol lmao tier.
The average conscript pleb had a bolt action and had to protect the MG34/42 gunner who was often a veteran.

>>511334314
> Soviets were also one year away from having the fucking AK47 in WW2
anon ...
what do you think the 47 stands for?

Because the Germans had a relatively small population of genetically and culturally superior Aryans which created high quality wonder weapons. They simply got overwhelmed by hordes of primitive Asiatic orcs from the East and Amerimutts and Angloids from the West.

The HK416 is really high quality AR variant, but only thousands have been made. Whereas millions of low quality AKs have been made. That's the difference between Germanic Aryan civilization and Slavic Eurasian [lack of] civilization. The Germans focus on quality, while the Slavs focus on quantity.

Simple as.

>>511334126
>>511334314
Why doesn't anyone care about the Gewehr 43?

Seriously I kinda wish the war continued into late 1946.
We would have jet vs jet battles and StG44/45 vs AK46

>>511334463
It wasn't. Germany wasn't ready to fight a protacted war. Much like Napoleon, Hitler needed a win and a fast win at that. He couldn't wage a protacted war against the 3 major superpowers of the world, he'd just get outproduced. He needed to knock the USSR or the US off the board to win and the Soviets were the only feasible options.

>>511329246 (OP)
Skill issue

>>511333127
What has that to do with the well-visited nazi publicity events before Pearl Harbor?

>>511334522
Yep, in German doctrine the whole squad was there to support the MG, which worked very well in open field engagements. Not so well in the ruins of Stalingrad. Only very late in the war did they start equipping entire squads of sturmtruppen with STGs but by then it was too little too late.

>>511333842
yes, you need infantry to physically occupy territory and be bullet sponges for artillery but they could be armed with bolt action rifles even in modern times and it wouldnt make much of a difference

>>511334565
You retard realize guns are made before they get put into production/adoption right?
The AK47 was finalized in 1946 and entered service in 1947, if the war continued it would've been fast tracked into service.
Hell it would've been finalized faster too but the end of the war ended the urgency

>>511334632
because Sovniggers managed to convince everyone that the SVT was superior (do NOT ask why they stopped producing them in early 45 dough)

>>511329246 (OP)
hitler sold the schematics to russia and they created superior weapons such as the PPSH and others. And the STG obviously inspired the AK.

Hitler was a massive faggot basically

>>511329246 (OP)
Hitler was a traitor and it was a set up to destroy Germans all along.
Btw Hitlers last name was Schickelgruber when means shekels collector

>>511334828
> You retard realize guns are made before they get put into production/adoption right?


> In late 1946, as the rifles were being tested, one of Kalashnikov's assistants, Aleksandr Zaitsev, suggested a major redesign to improve reliability. At first, Kalashnikov was reluctant, given that their rifle had already fared better than its competitors. Eventually, however, Zaitsev managed to persuade Kalashnikov.
> In November 1947, the new prototypes (AK-47s) were completed

>>511334678
He was fighting a war on too many fronts. Rommel should have been in the east instead of North Africa. He wasted the entire strength of the fallschirmjaegers taking Crete. Imagine if they had dropped into Moscow instead. If he wanted to move forward with Barbarossa he needed to go all in.

>>511334126
Soviets did it first

>>511334632
not enough of them to make a difference

>>511334126
how is there ANY way of americans unironically being 'proud' of "winning" THAT war... ???

>>511332944
^^ this pussy is too weak to fire a BAR

>>511335002
Nothing you said contradicts me.
The Soviets had already tested the AS44 which is close to the AK in 44 as the name suggests, Kalashnikov took over the project after the guy responsible died.
If the war continued into late 46 they would've definitely adopted an assault rifle as the StG was proven succesful.

>>511335125
The war is the reason why this will be their future: BLACK MALE ASIAN BOI (BMAB) WHITOID ADOPTION

>>511334133
Anti Slav autism, he literally had no reason to. The Soviets were happily supplying Germany with everything it needed

>>511332824
that’s literally not true. 25% were quebecois

>>511335125
We can be proud of defeating a formidable enemy (you) while recognizing we fought for the wrong ideals. These days our muttoid zogbots can't even win against camel jockeys. WW2 was our last good fight.

>>511335002
Your wiki copy and paste literally proves that guy right you illiterate kraut

>>511334828
interesting how you yourself already shifted from
> just one more year
to
> well in late '46 they had the design [roughly] down


> Hell it would've been finalized faster too but the end of the war ended the urgency
your headcanon does not equal facts
there is no proof that the end of the war slowed down arms development
and there is no proof that soviets would have been willing to put this weapon to use while still at war

>>511335308
thanks for the explanation, i keep forgetting that, it's not easy. have a nice day joe

>>511334133
Controlled opposition does what it's told to do.

>>511334133
>>511335413

>>511334133
war was inevitable with ussr and hitler miscalculated when he thought he ever had a rat's ass of a fighting chance against 20 miilion conscripts and an ideology that centered around standardization and mass industrial production quotas instead of retarded expensive wunderwaffes

>>511329246 (OP)
An automatic rifle distributed at the end of war wasn’t going to save Nazi Germany

>>511335382
>there is no proof that the end of the war slowed down arms development
That's literally how it goes you cretin.
Technology gets fast tracked during wars, just look at advancements made to planes during the war and compare it to the pace before the war.
Same goes for weapons the StG too was fast tracked into production so was the V2 rocket etc., your country is the best example of how that happens.
Stop wasting my time with your idiocy

>>511335292
Yes, those were the 25% that surrendered

>>511329397
lol

I like the Stg but for me it's the FG42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x6LibuC4N0

they were lead by a mentally ill person

>>511335251
> Nothing you said contradicts me.
do they not teach you how to read in romania?

if the Ak-47 prototype was completed in late 47 then that means that they were not
> just one year away from being used in ww2

> AS44 which is close to the AK in 44
> However, the AS-44 was overweight at 5.6 kg (12 lb) and its accuracy, when fired without its bipod was considered inferior. In spite of positive evaluations, the AS-44 was not approved for mass production at that time
> The next set of modifications and trials would have started in early 1946 but Sudayev became ill and died on August 17, 1946, which prevented this from occurring

again
how is this
> just one moar year
?

>>511330824
> By becoming allies with the Japs who Pearl Harbored us.
The US started the war against Japan with the oil embargo, freezing of Japanese assets, ABCD encirclement, flying tigers, JB355 and the Hull note ultimatum

>>511329246 (OP)
Those weren't available until literally the ass end of the war when it was far too late to mass manufacture them and they were already experiencing severe manpower/supply shortages.

>>511329246 (OP)
If it was being shipped out at the start of the war? might have been different.

One of germans biggest issue is that they had a LOT of different calibers for their weapons, which made distribution of supplies annoying as fuck for them. Its why post WWII nations went to a standardized ammo system for lots of weapons. Its why around the world most rounds are 9, 5.56, and 7.62 germans in WWII had an asinine amount of calibers.

That said that gun was fucking way ahead of its time.

>>511335393
You too Hans. It all went downhill for us when the military became integrated. Never won a war since. Still I'd take an entire army of Vietnam era blacks over the 5'4" fat mexicans, women, and troons we have now. In the end, Uncle Adolf was proven right.

>no proof Soviets were gonna use assault rifles in WW2
>literally tested assault rifes in the field since 1944
>had intermediate cartridge ready to be used in both assault rifles and MG's
Zozzle

>>511335333
> the first Ak-47 prototype being produced in late 1947 proves that they were one year away from being used in ww2
wut?

even if you somehow take the 1946 prototypes it's still at least 1.5 years between the end of ww2 and the first prototypes (!)

>>511329397
>Gets conquered by commies
>outperformed everybody

>>511331926
What in the sam fuck happened to all that sympathy? There was that giant “possibly fake” zeppelin that made regular trips to the US. It’s like fucking corona, they jew kike media says some bullshit and then people are like “oh i never liked them to begin with/I never believed them” They’re fucking retards. Literal slaves who fucking like it. These commie fucks don’t want to lift a finger, they’re not pressing any buttons any time soon

>>511335621
Would have mattered at ALL if the would have just kept rolling into Moscow. Directive 41 was an absolute game losing throw. Hitler should have thrown everything at levelling Moscow and killing the commie jews running the Soviet Union. All of those commie faggot peasants would have put on Nazi uniforms happily and the germans could have utilized all that Soviet industrialized slavery to beat back the allies EASILY because the USA still had to cross the atlantic to resupply. None of you niggers should even be talking about WWII strategy in this thread

>>511329594
>Small arms make no difference in modern war

Oh how wrong you are. Please tell me what stupid generalisation from the Iraq war you peeled that nugget of wisdom from.

Soldiers that are properly trained utilize their equipment properly, and as such their small arms dictate how their small scale maneuver and engagements look. Now that unmanned vehicles are replacing most air roles and armoured vehicles are too vulnerable and expensive, small scale infantry maneuver is once again, the core feature of combat.

Kill boxes basically suck now thanks to intermediate cartridges, you fuckers have no idea.

>>511329246 (OP)
Hitler never saw the point of those, very little were made because of that. Hitler was not a military genius, he wasn't a genius in anything actually. This is why you don't give your country over to a dictatorship. Most of them do stupid shit out of hubris and don't listen to the experts they bring on to the team.

>>511329246 (OP)
It's simple
Germany was massively outproduced in virtually all war equipment and material on all fronts. Their industry was severely hampered by allied bombing, they lose air superiority entirely, were facing disparities in tank quantities of up to 10 to 1 and suffered shortfalls of all anti-tank and anti-air equipment.

A rifle, no matter how good, can't deal with tanks, can't shelter you from artillery and can't stop bombers. Infantry cannot secure fire superiority over mechanized equipment, and a rifle can't secure fire superiority over a machinegun, so all these were really good for were well-supported close assaults against isolated infantry positions, and with a shortage of supporting elements that just didn't happen much.

But the StG44 wasn't actually all that good anyways. It suffered reliability issues in part because it was an immature design pressed into service before it was service-ready, and in part because shortages of raw materials meant using inferior substitute parts (ersatz materiel) for the delicate internal mechanisms that often failed in the field. And because of production issues the weapon was only available in small quantities, concentrated into a few detached 'storm' platoons that were never numerous nor powerful enough to make a meaningful impact on the battlefield.

Like a lot of German "innovation" in WW2 they weren't actually ahead of their adversaries, they just prematurely fielded prototypes out of desperation, only for these prototypes to suffer teething issues and underperform.

>>511335292
>Who were the Franks
Nope, no Germanic descent there. I must be totally retarded.

>>511334133
> Why did he declared war on ussr?
Living space. It was always Hitler’s plan to go east and replace the Slavs with Germanic settlers. The war in western Europe was basically a sidequest as Hitler didn’t expect Britain and France to declare war following the invasion of Poland

>>511335859
You're literally repeating the same nonsense I already adressed.
Are you literally mentally challenged or can't read at all?

>>511336033
> >literally tested assault rifes in the field since 1944
> tested
amazing
so how does this proof that they would have put the Ak-47 (prototypes) into service?

>>511335101
That was another German situation. The Soviets had automatic loaders but most soldiers were using bolt-action Nuggets.

>>511335935
The japs were a 2nd rate power and they were retarded to think they even stood a chance. Fighting America when it was 95% white was not the same as fighting chinks and gooks. Yamamoto knew this.

>>511336129
>Kill boxes basically suck now thanks to intermediate cartridges, you fuckers have no idea.
I'd like to have an idea if you don;t mind expanding on this

>>511329397
when they were drugged up yeah

>>511335935
>if you don't willingly fund our warcrimes it's a declaration of war!
Communist shills actually believe this.

>>511336224
> The japs were a 2nd rate power and they were retarded to think they even stood a chance.
Japan was forced into war, they had no choice
> Fighting America when it was 95%
Amerimutts aren’t white

>>511336171
>Why the USSR?
Because they were filed with niggers and jews.
2 groups nazis very much wanted to liquidate.
>Russians are NIGGERS

>>511335308
Wrong, Fallujah and the overall submission of the Sadr fags and all the other dogs that needed to beat beaten into shape was based as fuck. We shouldn't have been there in the first place but we killed so many sand niggers there life has never been great since those days. I remember this haji was trying to wire up some 155 shells by this playground and he tripped on a chunk of concrete and I saw him fall over and just dissappear in the explosion. Wonder how he set them off still to this day but we all laughed our fucking asses off from 200m away

>>511336155
wise words

>>511335859
I don't think there's anything more German than this poster's nitpicking on that comment. Just completely worthless internet autist shit. Go watch more scat porn Hans, it'd be a better way for you to spend your time.

>>511336359
What war crimes?
> Communist shills actually believe this.
Communists hate Japan, retard

>>511329246 (OP)
Because the whole thing was a set up from the start.

>>511336196
They had the cartridge ready and there was no disadvantage to putting them into service. Hitler's supply lines issues were already proven wrong by the StG performing well.
You have no deductive reasoning whatsoever lol, imagine a retard like you becoming a detective
>hurrr durr how do you know he might've done this? or that? no way dude I don't believe ya

>>511331802
In a couple more decades ww2 won't matter except a purely academic subject just like the Napoleonic wars.

Today I dunno but a decade ago from what I recall we were considered a major reason they did not last 6 months more and in 6 months they would have had enough wunderwaffens to turn it around. Pinky promise.

>>511329246 (OP)
>how did Germans lose?
Poor leadership

This one is more sexy

>>511336185
again
your headcanon does not equal facts

the AS44 was not even close to being finished when its designer died in late August 1946
a total of 7 prototyes were built and it literally was rejected by the Soviet Military due to its poor performance

so what makes you think that they would have totally adoped it had the war lasted one year longer?
IRL soviets didn't even hand out noteworthy quantities of the Ak-47 until the mid-50s

>>511329246 (OP)
Go have a look at the equipment the German Army used during the invasion of Pooland, France, and even the Soviet Union in 1941.
>Panzer I, II, III and some IVs
All of these are so incredibly fucking mid. Go look at a fucking Panzer II. It's a joke.
It's a miracle they got as far as they did.

>>511336607
Germany would’ve done better if the generals launched a coup against the NSDAP leadership and turned the country into a military junta

Russians had a mine thrower for every 5 army personnel and were digging trenches to shoot it safely under every tree

there was also minethrower ammunition factory in like every other building

also PPS-42 is better than any Reich's personal arm produced in WW2 on short distance
and Mosin Nagant is better than any Reich's personal arm mass produced before WW2 ended on long distances

Reich's bet was on decapitation of Russians early in the war, and when they failed to do that, UK and USA switched sides to ally with USSR

>>511329246 (OP)
attrition

>>511336417
> not sucking off commie slavs?
> thats a no no hans
you americans truly are the goi of goims

>>511329246 (OP)
TINY SMALL COUNTRY
VS ALL THE OTHERS
DUH YOU DUMB NIGGER

>>511329246 (OP)
becasue arty is god

>>511329246 (OP)
Because they had no oil. Low on food, too.

You could have time-travelled and given every single German soldier an HK-416... and it wouldn't have made a difference.

Small arms are irrelevant when your vehicles are grounded, and your troops are cold and hungry.

Because most of the guys were taking shits instead of fighting

>>511336373
Listen nigger, when people think about British food, all they can mention is kebab and curry. Think about that. You used to rule the entire planet and now you live on a little cuckshed island getting buttfucked by skinny african niggers and ruled by jeets. Think about that the next time you go to type some smarmy little post. From ruling the entire planet to being ruled by Jeets. The meek shall inherit the earth was true but also a typo, it was originally REEK shall enherit, and that reek was curry and street shit.

>>511329246 (OP)
They tried to fight the Russians and got burnt. No one can beat Russians except God of course.

>>511336765
They'd still have lost. No way to win after operation Barbarossa started.

>>511337102
And the Mongols. But they are kind of the historical exception to a lot of shit.

>>511336765
According to whom? According to the generals?

>>511331664
As nearly every war is won, for example, we were able to use our logistical chain to deliver 2 nuclear warheads onto the proto bugs before they were to us

>>511329492
The French attacked Germany first, why is /pol/ so filled with retards?

>>511336734
desu I really hate this entire idea of German technological superiority, it's distracting from the reality.
German's succeeded because.. Poles, French and Soviets all were retarded.
>Poolacks had a big mouth with nothing to back that up and enemies on both sides lul
>France fell for the SAME FUCKING RUSE AS WW1
>Stalin literally did not believe his own intelligence officers when they said Germany was preparing to invade, and still denied it 2 weeks later, with Germans hundreds of kilometers inside the Soviet Union
It had nothing to do with tech but incompetence.
Of course there is rocket technology and jet engines, but the western allies were only 1-2 years behind with the latter technology. Rocketry really was the only amazing feat.
Hell, Nazis had many of their code broken early on. Navy was irrelevant. In airplanes they only had parity. All their advanced tank designs came in response to the allies more advanced tanks, like the T-34, that 360 noscoped everything Germany had at the time.

>>511337102
>WW2 against smaller opponent
>Russia gets lend-lease
>Russia wins

>Afghan war against smaller opponent
>Afghanistan gets lend-lease
>Russia disintegrates

>>511337245
Some historians pretend that the mongol victories have been exaggerated (kinda like the 6 millions) so they could be used as Asian hordes bogeymen by eastern European kingdoms. The logistics involved seem a little fishy to be honest.

Most of Germany was fighting with bolt actions while her enemies were using semi auto.

>>511336054
first AK prototype is AS-44

original author Sudaev died, so they had to use someone else, and used Kalashnikov as the figurehead instead to award him (small Russian soldier from a small bumfucking nowhere village) all the fame and benefits for the Automat, as part of propaganda zeitgeist, as commies stopped shitting on Russians in 1942 out of dire need, and abstained pretty much till the Leningrad Affair

there was no need for the weapon, as PPS-42 was more than enough to cover up the army needs
changing it to AS-44 would only create problems in the already fine tuned logistics and require to solve the babysteps problems of the project on the go

like when AR-15 (basically low tech STG-55) was rusting from the elements in Vietnam

>>511329246 (OP)
how did the germans lose when they had an assault rifle when they are being bombed and panzerschrecked to nothing?

>>511337457
>German's succeeded because.. Poles, French and Soviets all were retarded.
That's factual, the Maginot line retardation alone proves it. By raw numbers we weren't that bad, but the commanding officers, the strategy and the tactics were completely out of touch.

>>511336790
>UK and USA switched sides to ally with USSR
Russian education

>>511336303
If you're laying ambushes based on static positions, with intermediate cartridges like 5.56 your effective range is much lower than your visibility on target is likely to be. If you have terrain that prevents anyone from seeing or shooting past 600m it's fine, but if you are in the open, you basically don't have the range or effect on target for the principle of line fire or overlapping fields of fire, or weight of fire to live up to what intermediate cartridges are meant for, and you'll be outgunned by anything with a full sized rifle cartridge in accuracy and effect on target, even if you put out 20 rounds of 5.56 for every single 7.62 coming your way, you're missing by feet and he's missing by inches at the distances supported by modern optics. a bunch of rounds missing by feet is a different kind of suppression to one round missing by an inch. I've been shot at a couple yards out before, it's not paralyzing, but a shot landing a few inches away fucking does spook you. .22 calibre rounds just don't carry the energy for 6-800m sengagements, sure you want weight of fire, but that's secondary to accurate fire.
To ambush them, you'd need to basically have them walk through what should be visibility into a target area, or enter an area where they lack visibility until they're in the killbox, and since your effective range really falters past 500m, you're ambushing people at distances shorter than that, within a couple hundred meters, where you no longer get to use distance for concealment and surprise. Your killbox only springs when you're all in cqb, your no longer have the advantage of a prepared position when you're in cqb gunfight approached by a general angle, you no longer have distance or concealment to support ambushes because you're all spamming fireballs in cqb.

Your gun needs to shoot accurately as far as you can see.

>>511336065
commies didnt even have to fight you to conquer you

>>511337573
>>Russia gets lend-lease
Germany got more in advance (oil processing factories, oil deliveries from "former" standard oil corporation to cover more than 2/3 of Reich's oil needs, whole rheinmetall, etc.) for free

and lend-lease was basically warranty service for the shitty USSR industrialization project implementation, that Stalin ordered from americans in 1930 and collectively amounted for less than 10% of the things USSR spent on the war

>>511335125
I think Americans get cringey about it and obviously we just outproduced you rather than actually having competent soldiers and generals but you did declare war on us after an East Asian empire sneak attacked our pacific fleet

>>511329246 (OP)
too many enemies

>>511334095
germans literally ran out of ammo killing wave after wave of russian conscripts

>>511337457
>Poolacks had a big mouth with nothing to back that up
We had the guarantee from Britain, and by extension France. That is an extraordinary amount of backup, anon.

>>511337457
Fun fact:
Germany barely encountered any T-34s during the battle of Moscow and those that were fielded were the early models, whose armament was largely ineffective against P3s.

Almost half of the tanks employed by the Soviets during that battle were actually british tanks that had been rushed in as donated support after Barbarossa began and were just now being fielded. Germany encountered Matilda 2s and Churchills for the first time in the fields before Moscow and mistook them for Soviet tank designs. These heavy tanks had armour the P3 couldn't penetrate and considerable shifted the balance of power in that battle. Neither had been used yet in North Africa due to the extremely long travel distance that british shipping had to take to get there: circumnavigating Africa and sailing up the red sea to unload in Egypt because Italy had effectively blocked the Mediterranean.

At this stage in the war, most tanks used by the british in North Africa were older models pulled from Australia and New Zealand's stockpiles to buy time for shipments from the UK to arrive, while most of their modern tanks were rolling off the assembly line and shipped straight to Archangelsk.

History frequently misattributes Germany's decision to redesign the P4 in response the T-34 encountered around Moscow, but it was actually those british tanks, which were both considerable better-protected than the T-34 and also encountered in much greater numbers. Germany encountering them believed they were new soviet designs, and that the soviets had effectively leaped ahead of them technologically, which triggered panic all down the German chain of command

>>511329246 (OP)
You gonna shoot down a thousand RAF bombers with an SGT44?

>>511338254
posts like yours really drive home the point that I'm a noguns bitch, I need to get my shit together

appreciate the effort, kanada man

>>511338127
> what's Muenchen betrayal
btw Poland started ww2 by attacking Czechoslovakia
at the same time, France broke mutual defense treaty they had with Czechoslovakia and USSR

if France would demand Poland to fuck off, Reich would stay inside it's 1937 borders

the German expansion only started after Hitler confirmed, that France betrayed its allies and would at the very least stay neutral in the conflict, which would otherwise be a major problem for Germany, since war on two fronts have proven to be a really bad idea in 1914

>>511336790
You still owe us for lend lease from 1941 Ivan, we saved all you faggots - British, French, and Russian. And we saved the chinks from the Japs too but all we get is shit on by sub 90iq genetic dead ends, but thats ok, thats why you speak English(unironically), use American designed technology every day of your life, and know who Michael Jordan, Brad Pitt, and Taylor swift are. By the way you couldn't even rage quit McDonalds properly lmfao Bкycнo – и тoчкa didn't even change the look or recipes. Can't even create your own fast food

>>511333329
>70% arty
>russia fires 5-20 times more than ukraine
>russia has 5 times more losses
lmao yeah right

>>511329246 (OP)
russians came up with something even better

>>511335308
>We can be proud of defeating a formidable enemy (you)
the western front had little to no actual proven combat units until the battle of the bulge
nothing to be proud of

>>511334133
hitler was propped up by catholic jesuits to take out the soviets but failed ultimately

>>511338366
The US had the Great Depression in the 1930s and Stalin was the only customer. Stalin gets credit for socialist industrialisation when in fact he purchased most of it on the international market. Right place right time.

The American Great Depression also benefitted Germany. Uncle Sam was desperate for any investment, and was happy to build up German industry in exchange.

>oil processing factories
With no oil to put into them - because of the Anglo naval blockade. Germany started WW2 with insufficient oil stockpiles and no capacity to produce synthetic oil.

>in advance
Everything the Soviet Union got in WW2, she retained FOR FREE. Stalin never paid for it -- unlike Great Britain, who was bankrupted by war debts to the United States.

Despite the USSR retaining all of WW2 lend-lease, Uncle Sam sending lend-lease to Afghanistan was enough to destroy the Soviet Union.

Hollywood apparently has a bunch of SIG commando versions, like 552 or 553?
They show up in a lot of movies.

>>511331037
The "moon race" was fake n gay though.

>>511329246 (OP)
Outnumbered on all fronts and barely having any fuel and the Tanks that did have fuel have to stay hidden because they were outnumbering them in the sky too all while your Factories are being bombed too, a STG doesn't do much they actually had Tanks cemented into the ground at the end too because there was simply barely any fuel

>>511339183
21st Panzer Divison wasn't combat proven? Granted they were hamstrung by Hitler sperging out on Rommel, but they were still an elite unit. Panzer Lehr and several SS Panzer divisions were also in theater.

>>511338848
>Poland started WW2 by attacking someone at the same time as Germany
I see. Is it your opinion that attacking a country at the same time as Germany is considered starting a war?

Would you extend this logic Tomas a universal principle or does it only apply to countries your are taught to dislike?

>>511335767
We should've firebombed London instead of Dresden

>>511339791
And moscow...faggot

>>511329397
Yeah thats why they lost twice,right?

>>511339934
And your mom's house faggot

>>511329246 (OP)
Quantity beats quality

>>511337576
Very likely to be somewhat exaggerated. But at the same time, the scale of engagements in Asia proper considerably dwarfed European engagements and the brutality of the Mongols was usually noted for its swiftness in most aspects.

So my take is it definitely exaggerated but the same effects would have been achieved even if you divide the fuckers and their achievements by a factor of 3 or 5.

Plus at the same time as their national historical genius leader showed up they also had a dozen or so competent to above average adjutant leaders he could delegate shit to. They kind of rolled all their good dice and burned all their extra consumables just for that particular period,and got the commensurate results. In that time period. If it were a map painter game. And since they over expanded, and a lot of said explanation maintenance was contingent on a lot of personal skill of many people, once those peoples skill degraded over the generations, it naturally collapsed.

Hell, arguably Russia has a de facto quasi mongol administrative/organisation system to this day, so some aspects of them remained in the territories they exercised their exceptionalism an age ago.

>>511329246 (OP)
Wars are started with technology, ended with mass production. You faggots have been instigating wars with poor, weak shitholes for so long you forgot that what won you WWII were mass produced Shermans, T-34, dumb bombs and grease guns. Back then USA was what China is today, industrial powerhouse. In real wars between non-shithole countries your centralized high-tech facilities are being striked in first weeks of war and then it's throwing conscripts and cheap munitions. Israel has its own systems, was helped by neighbouring countries and US carriers and those defenses were still oversaturated by iranian missiles, and whatever chinks delivered was bypassing like half of those measures.

>>511339514
>like 552 or 553?
Oh, they look like this.
Whatever you like.
These are more sexy.

>>511337422
No, germany attacked poland which was guaranteed by france and the lobsterbacks. Its like slapping a kid and then complaining when his father punches you.

>>511329397
Heh.

>>511329397
>War is just about K/D

>>511340064
Nobody appreciates aesthetics and style :(

>>511331403
>>511331802
Depends how badly u psyop axis into fucking off for good

>>511339183
Lies but since you mentioned it ,who won the battle of the bulge.

>>511334133
The USSR had lots of natural resources. Even modern Russia is a petrostate.

>>511340348
Asthetics? That fugly as fugly as can get.
At least it's not plastic.

>>511340348
Nono, just look at it:
>>511340145

You also can fold it. It's tiny but deadly.
Fill it with mud, it doesn't care.

>>511336564
I think the jews will keep milking it

>>511334070
If Hitler would let Vlasov to form Russian Volunteer Army, they would have +3mln soldiers ready to fight against Gommunism XD

>>511331536
The AK47 is closer to the M1 Garand.

>>511337422
You are the retard because France's foray into Germany after war were declared never left the cover of their artillery on the Maginot line. The French were pussies who folded like lawn chairs and will forever be remembered as pussies who love big cock in they ass. Once it was a German cock now it is a very brown and smelly Mohammed cock. They always bending over for something.

they had it as the mkb42 but hitler was a retard and wanted to waste his money on wunderwaffe like the maus so he demanded that they kill the project
instead they worked on it in secret, gave it to troops on the eastern front which gave it glowing reviews
he took another look at it in '43 and gave it the ok to use

>>511329246 (OP)
20m Blyats enter the thread

>>511340489
You're just wrong, german guns mog anything the soviets or the americans made. You have to agree though, German tanks are sexier and more aesthetic than any other nation.

>>511335002
>Fast-track the crap design instead of waiting for the redesign
>Get shot by Stalin for "wasting resources"

>>511340077
I was also thinking about their supposed savagery, which was probably exaggerated because they wouldn't have been able to maintain their hordes and their empire with such barbaric methods.

>>511340796
Yeah with tanks part I agree, but that gun, ugh. It even made Han Solo look gay.

>>511337457
The British even had jet engines.

>>511340777
to be fair tho dolphin was by far the best leader amongst all of em.

>>511329246 (OP)
They had a meth addicted jew for a leader that made deranged retard orders then shot himself.
The Nazis were dumb niggers that acted like kikes and you need to understand that fact if true National Socialism is to be achieved.

>>511340796
the WW2 German guns looked cool but they had their fair share of problems. The MG-34 was a very nice general purpose machinegun but it was too expensive to produce, the MG-42 was firing too fast, overheating the barrel and swallowing up all the ammo, the G41 was a very flawed design, and the FG-42 was not really practical to shoot because the ammo was overpowered for the concept. But it's true that the K-98 was basically the perfect bolt action rifle though, which is why almost every modern bolt action rifle is using the Mauser action.

>>511329246 (OP)
Too little, to late. Same thing with the jets.
>>511339997
No, that's because your retarded golem ancestors outnumbered them 5 to 1.

>>511329594
>The Dip from Dieppe weighs in

>>511338492
yes .yes.
Germany lasted 3 months 29 days in the actual war. After that Hitler killed himself and you UNCONDITIOALLY surrendered.
That's the "reality".
Not "roter baron" etc. Psyops.

Russia on the other hand always said the numbers were exaggerated + they are soloing the whole Western World right now - and your side is LYING AGAIN about the numbers of dead russians.

>>511342722
The only reason they got so far was cause of him, if nukes weren't a thing and nations could still be at war Germany would be in the gutter for a couple hundred years naming every other kid Adolf in hopes of a return of some kind.

>>511334133
Russia was massing forces on the their border towards western europe which only means one thing.....war. The reason Hitler's blitzkrieg was so effective into Russia is because Russia was preparing an all out offensive abandoning all defense hence why the German forces caught them off guard. Anyone saying Geramny just on a whim invaded Russia just because or for simply getting their hands on Russian resources are retarded. I mean we are talking about communists here people, they are the most devious snakes in history and already planned on betraying Germany and attacking the rest of Western Europe from the get go and they weren't shy about hiding their plans either.

>>511336171
Holy WW2 propaganda. It's sad people still believe this shit even to this days, you need to do your own research anon to find the truth and stop believing everything you were taught in public school.

>>511342722
Hitler didn't neck himself. He shot himself.

>>511329246 (OP)
Kalasnikov based his gun on this. Germans win again. Why did hitler lose.
Maybe the time wasnt right

>kill civilians
>SEE OUR KD???
and thats why no one likes germdogs

1pbtid

>>511343226
he actually partly based it on garand and other rifles predating stg

>>511343226
It was closer to the M1 Garand.

>>511343226
reminds us of the legendary pazazi raja, just how it goes sometimes, u can do ur best but that's all such can afford.

Even at a squad level, disparity in small arms capability don’t matter all that much. If you have tacitcool fuck off awesome rifle, as long as your enemy has something that can shoot straight and is semi-auto (or even bolt action), you’re on a level playing field. Cover, concealment, etc

What matters is logi and firepower support. Do you have light LMG capability? Heavy? How about rifle grenades and grenade launchers? Can you call in indirect fire from mortars and artillery?

Mortars caused more combat deaths than anything on the western front in ww2.

>>511329397
>german soldiers far outperformed everybody else on an individual basis
This. The fit, thin, pale German with his above-average (for the time) IQ, and intense training could outperform most slavs, yankees etc. in warfare
Nationalism and Nazism thrive in violence, war, and prison. People develop racial consciousness when they have to actually live around niggers, learn about their history, or see racial statistics, or all 3

>>511331802
Why?
The germs went fucking retarded and the loss was deserved and Hitler himself was a moron. If anything the switch saved us.
Nazis were only ever correct about the jewish threat.

>>511329679
The AK-47 was copied from the German StGw 44, fucking retard.

Burgers and Bongs destroyed a city every night, the overwhelming burden on the nation to care for and rebuild the cities sapped their strength. It was their plan from the start. Avoid their armies and kill their people.

>>511339997
You're honestly a moron. The only reason they lost is because Celto-Germanic Yankees stopped them. Leftists & POCs barely did shit to stop the kraut menace, but now in 2025 they pretend it's their victory and take all credit when it was racist White men who stopped the Nazi Germany war machine.

>>511336065
Yes. At least 27 million slavic peasants died in ww2

>>511329246 (OP)
It was not in sufficient numbers . Their factories were being bombed constantly so production took longer and longer. Besides, most of the German war industry was making other things like tanks and planes.

>>511339340
Are jesuits under influence of jews?

>>511345356
killing unarmed civilians isn't a marker of soldier's performance

>>511345731
see Eric Jon Phelps work, but yes ultimately the Jesuits from their 2nd General, 500 or so years ago, were Talmudic. France expelled the Jesuits and 20 years later the French revolution happened.

>>511329246 (OP)
Why is the ak47 in that shape?

>>511329246 (OP)
Costs allot of bullets for the time

>>511329246 (OP)
We didn't have enough of them. They came too late. They also used up a lot of ammo.

>>511329730
That was his one huge mistake I will never forgive him!

retarded post
it's like saying why didn't they mass produce enough MP-40s to make those standard Issue instead

>>511340154
>Its like slapping a kid and then complaining when his father punches you.
So Germany slaps Poland and their many cuck Fathers come to the rescue?

>>511329246 (OP)
They killed Russians at an insane rate, probably 8-12 Russians were killed for every German soldier. It was fucking horrendous but there were more Russians then than there are fucking jeets today.

>>511329397
>half the answers to this post are unable to understand the "individual basis" and completely miss the point
We share a board with those niggers.

>>511347872
/pol/ used to be dominant by these psychopathic racists with like 130+ IQ who dug up obscure jewish history but now /pol/ has become brown

>>511347568
its just comparission so mental midget like yourself could understand what is diplomacy or agressive expansion

>>511329246 (OP)
Because we fought on the wrong side.

>>511329246 (OP)
Because you can't win against jews, remember that.

>>511329246 (OP)
Their leadership was nothing but controlled opposition just like yours is now.

>>511329594
true. the brave Canadian christian mujahideens were the ones who buck broke the nazi fucks

>>511336475
By whom. The swiss? They where practially never attacked as the only country in europe.

Like wtf swiss

>>511345165
It was closer to the M1 Garand.

>>511348677
by jews
they wanted to get from poland to usa so they could rule the world
we wanted to kick them to madagascar
so they financed most charismatic glownigger of weimar's republic to fuck everyone's shit up while sending jews to usa/israel

>>511329392
>and the Americans took half of them.
>half of 7
Which half did the americans take?

>>511345978
Didnt they instigate the french revolution to become the new sherrif in town? Like with the bolsjeviks?

Freemasons and jews?

>>511347872
/pol is ironically the best argument against populism that exists. equal voices to all parties is the dark ages.

>>511347568
Herman goring.

What was he laughing about, now im curious

>>511349265
I dunno, can one coordinate all that shit to go the way it did? You give jews too much credit

>>511339997
No, you see Germans were great fighters, but their leaders were all fucking morons that didn't understand politics or strategy.
IT WASNT FAIR! You cant just gang up on people in a war.

>>511329246 (OP)

It didn't go into service until 1943 and Germany was already getting their shit pushed in by the turn of the year (i.e. Stalingtad and Atlantic theater)

>>511338366
>>511338848
This is way too common a pattern. Poster has a lot of pro-Russian things to say... but runs away as soon as he's given any counterfactuals.

I'm convinced that people like this are being paid to post here.

>>511334678
>Hitler needed a win and a fast win at that.
Except he was a retard and got himself naval blockaded right off the bat and had zero plan for how to capitulate UK, besides wishful thinking.

>>511329246 (OP)
they didn't field them in sufficient numbers fast enough. if they were standard issue in '39 it would have been pretty sweet for them

I've got the .22 repro by GSG, it's a lot of fun. heavy fucker too.

>>511351780
Holocoaster type of kike BS probably

>>511329392
>>511329397
They said he died in a bunker, fucking kek

>>511329246 (OP)
The 44 after sturmgewehr and especially the 43 after karabiner may be a clue.
>>511329492
>noooo don't take care of one enemy quickly, let all of them bite your ass at once
Why would they do that?

>France could have swept Germany early on and prevented all this shit
>they didn't because of shitty leadership
Did those incompetent leaders ever face punishment?

>>511340154
Brain dead morons can't comprehend this and think the father is violating the NAP for not letting you 1v1 his boy.

>>511329397
I feel sorry for you... But I agree with you.

>>511335767
>>511336065
>>511339997
>>511340304
Niggers? Are you? You may as well be with that logic. I mean, where/what/who the fuck raised you? Have you zero fucking thinking skills? Have we finally reached critical mass? Are you niggers real niggers and I am speaking to actual black melanated or brown people with a foreign flag? Fucking hell. You're all fucking retarded and if you can't understand why I would call you retarded, you're definitely a nigger. Humble yourselves to academia OUTSIDE of your schooling system you fucking oxygen thieves.

>>511347872
This is the true horror.

>>511352231
nope i dont
they are the biggest organized criminal group in world's history and had their agents in every country almost at this point
hitler literally broke NAP with us after pic rel and was friend with most pro-jewish politician of pre war poland but no one gives a shit
jewish media already told them everything and its only reliable source of information for majority of goyslaves

>>511352231
documented jewish casualties still happened some of which were pointed out by judenrats for execution and some that died as result of military operations but most important jews were safe because they bribed/controlled the leaders of multiple countries and knew what area to fuck off from ahead of combat

>>511352231
also everyone ignores how jews cried about holocaust decades prior to holcaust happening
they eventually had to finance some higher evil to fuck everyone shit's up and it worked

>>511329246 (OP)
Because weapons industry matters more than wunserwaffen. Germans lost the air war and was doomed after that.

>>511356723
They lost on every front, naval, industrial, logistical, intelligence, counter intelligence, and so on.

They had some good innovators (but everyone was also innovative in the war), so had most of the best gear but still lost.

>>511352750
>Declares war on all of the superpowers
>Is surprised when they fight back

>>511355593
The average Nazi killed a bunch of civilians and then got killed when he had to face an actual soldier. Even the Soviets eventually learned to stop just throwing men at the enemy after the winter war.

>>511353967
I didnt think about that. It could be

>>511329594
>Nope, Canadians did. Look it up
All propaganda and lies. Canadians are and always were pussies and faggots

>>511357903
NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!
UK was supposed to just make peace because reasons.
USSR was supposed to collapse when the front door was kicked.
America... I dont even know what the cope is.

Either way, Hitler would have won if only people were more cooperative.

>>511356580
Screencapped your responses for educational purposes.

Poland has a weird relation with jews. I never really understood it. Where they always part of poland?

>>511329246 (OP)
Most of their front line supplies were transported by horse and carriage. They didn't have nearly enough fuel or rare earth minerals. They lacked a four engine bomber or a fighter capable of projecting air superiority. Hitler kept blowing resources on mega project wounder weapons like the V3 that they couldn't afford. Didn't actually gas the fucking kikes when he had the chance. Should I go on?

>>511359076
General Staff's Actions: Knowing the potential of the weapon, German generals continued the program behind Hitler's back, renaming it as the "Maschinenpistole 43" (MP 43) to disguise it as a submachine gun and avoid his direct disapproval.
Turning point and renaming: Eventually, Hitler became aware of the weapon's trials and its effectiveness on the Eastern Front. Impressed by combat reports, and potentially for propaganda purposes, he renamed it the "Sturmgewehr" (Assault Rifle) and officially approved its production as the StG 44.

>>511358807
kek
What is the cope for the USA? The USA staying completely neutral (including Land Lease) while the rest of the world rolled over for the Axis? The USA not having a rifle and artillery behind every blade of grass?

>>511334133
He was right to do so, it was the retarded nips dragging the US into the war that fucked them, the USSR would have lost to the superior Wehrmacht without the American lend lease

>>511340154
Hitler couldn't have attacked Soviet Union without securing his entire Eastern border first, plus the Brits KNEW Hitler was gonna invade before they made that stupid secret deal. They were always gonna attack Germany.

>>511359474
America was sending material, but the people had zero appetite for fighting in another European war.
Hitler had no choice but to declare war so America could enter as righteous defender with popular support.

He made Americans look like total jerks by giving them the justification to start bombing Germany and demand nothing short of unconditional German surrender.

It was 5d chess.

>>511330088
The wonder weapons were an extremely last ditch effort, Germany was well past fucked by the time they started seriously devoting resources to it.
>Killing Jews
Agreed, should have waited until after the war was won.

>>511360013
kek

>>511334133
Hitler ran out of oil, and was blockaded by the Royal Navy which prevented oil shipments from coming in.

Hitler attacked Russia but... notably he did not focus on taking Moscow. He focussed on the south. Stalingrad for example. Why is that?

Beyond Stalingrad were the Caucasus oil fields. If Hitler could get those, he would be able to fuel his vehicles. But he didn't. So he lost the war.

the right half

>>511350787
the left half

>>511359076
no they mostly moved to poland during black death pandemic and were kept down for about 4-5 centuries(excluding german court jews like rothschilds who were conquering the west in the meantime) before germans weaponized them during partitions to spite us
>Flotwell also tried to reduce Polish landownership in favour of Germans. In the time period of 1832–1842 the number of Polish holdings was reduced from 1020 to 950 and the German ones increased from 280 to 400.[5] The Jewish minority in the Province was seen by Prussians as a useful ally to gain support for their policies. The Prussians hoped that by granting Jews rights and abolishing old limitations, they could integrate Jewish population into German society, and gain a counterweight to Polish presence. As a result, many Jews saw in Prussia a free, liberal state and were opposed to the Polish independence movement.[5]

>>511329246 (OP)
>when they had this?
Because small arms are fucking useless in war.
Pic is what wins wars, not even tanks.

>>511360639
germans did focus on moscow but when they almost conquered it hitler got nervous and sabotaged it all
german victory was too threatening for their handlers-rothschilds
whole plan depended on
>destroying old european order
>creating israel through terror
>exterminating german patriots
>dooming half of europe to communism(which they hoped to happen already during ww1) for the sake of cold war

>>511353698
The UK was going to capitulate if they weren't funded up the ass by the US.

>>511361963
God what a terrible timeline that would have been

>>511362048

>>511336065
Yes, absolutely. Quantity defeating Quality doesn't contradict quality.

>>511362048
At least you guys aren't speaking English

>>511361963
That's the kind of wishful thinking that Hitler based his war strategy on.

>>511362396
That's the reality, dummy.

>>511362263
you dont say?

>>511362513
reality is hitler shot himself in the head after losing the only war he ever started

>>511362557
Polska Stronk

>>511362703
I didn't know Hitler declared war on France and the UK. Something new you learn every day.

>>511329492
He should have never showed mercy at Dunkirk. Look at how the brits repaid them (Dresden)

>>511333329
Based chatgpt user

>>511362513
UK was never going to capitulate to u-boats, which Germany couldn't even replace fast enough once convoy and anti-submarine tactics improved, and escorts started getting equipped with ASDIC and radar.

Germany would have had to invaded the UK to force their capitulation, and the plans for that were hilariously childish and unrealistic.

>>511333329
yeah thats why vietnam won the war, because they had superior arty compared to the US fag.

>>511362771
post the ones from beginning at least

>>511362823
Wait till you hear about this thing called military alliances and defensive pacts. Don't feel stupid, Hitler didn't understand what those were either.

>>511354170
and the skull they claimed for 50 years was hitlers from the bunker is actually to an unknown female, kek

>>511329246 (OP)
The same way we lost poll. Way more faggots jews and communists then actual human beings defending what is ours. rip.

>>511362823
yes you are a dumb retard but at least hitler understood what it means to invade poland
>On 25 August, two days after the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union with a secret protocol that partitioned Central and Eastern Europe between them, Britain and Poland signed an agreement for mutual assistance. The agreement contained promises of mutual military assistance between the nations if either was attacked by some "European country". The United Kingdom, sensing a trend of German expansionism, sought to discourage German aggression by this show of solidarity. In a secret protocol of the pact, the United Kingdom offered assistance in the case of an attack on Poland specifically by Germany,[3] but in the case of attack by other countries, the parties were required only to "consult together on measures to be taken in common".[13] Both the United Kingdom and Poland were bound not to enter agreements with any other third countries that were a threat to the other.[14] Because of the pact's signing, Hitler postponed his planned invasion of Poland from 26 August until 1 September.[15]

>>511329246 (OP)
Hitler fucked up and opened a second front by attacking Russia.

>>511363593
He left himself no choice after starting war with the UK and getting Germany put under total naval blockade.

Its hardly like the Axis was split between two fronts until the allies began landing in Europe.

Hitler had 2 years to fight the USSR with nearly the entire force of the Wehrmacht, while it was at its peak strength, and he failed to accomplish any of the main objectives of Operation Barbarosa or Fau Blau.

>>511363262
>>511363466
Why wasn't this 'military alliance' in effect when the Soviet Union invaded Poland?

>>511329730
Dude was scared of the Brits , look where fear leads you anons

>>511364735
because soviet union didnt break munich agreement retard

>>511364874
Can you show me where the Munich agreement is mentioned in the UK-Polish pact?

>>511364874
Their cope is so sad
>why didnt the people we started a war with help us win the other war we started?
>ITS NOT FAIR!
Hitler was a fuck up, but his worshipers are complete morons.

>>511364942
damn you are braindead and uneducated at top of it
>On 31 March 1939, in response to Nazi Germany's defiance of the Munich Agreement and its occupation of Czechoslovakia,[6] in Parliament, the United Kingdom pledged the support of itself and France to assure Polish independence:

>...in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect. I may add that the French Government have authorised me to make it plain that they stand in the same position in this matter as do His Majesty's Government.[7]