Made by a client in order to reject a claim. That would completely solve the insurance problems in this country.

Do not allow yourself satisfaction at the murder of the United healthcare ceo
I know we've all been hurt in some manner by this man. While it was a vague anger, a rumbling back thought, it was okay.

But now it has materialized into murder.It's no longer vague. It happened. Now examine your heart. Do we approve of this murder?

You cannot. Forgive him. This is what our Lord commands us. Do not fall for this stumbling block.

I have literally mused to myself having heard that a health insurance call center was attacked "that CEO is out there somewhere" and felt noble for thinking it. That was murder according to Jesus.

The sermon on the mount, Matthew 5.

[21] "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ [22] But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

>>511418960 (OP)
>retards don't read their insurance contracts
or you know you could get single payer healthcare, but you niggers cry over muh socialism

>>511419064 faggot >>511419064

>>511418960 (OP)
>claim gets rejected
>get $$$ anyway
Leftoids are really retarded lmao

Or just get rid of the useless private middlemen whose entire business model is to take in as much revenue as they can and pay out as little as possible because the profit motive is bad actually

>>511419064

Kys kike

Insurance is such a scam

>Hey goy why don't you give me a thousand dollars every month so if you get sick you can use insurance. Oh what's that? You got sick? Sorry goy, pre existing conditions don't count and you have to reach the 9000 dollar deductible before your coverage begins. But keep paying 1000 dollars a month for our promise to help you when you are too sick to fight us in court. Thanks goy, you gullible sap.

>>511418960 (OP)
stop beng antisemitic

What if I take 1000 dollars a month and instead of buying insurance, what if I bought crypto with it instead, and then when I have a medical debt I can sell the crypto at current market value to pay the debt out of pocket. By retaining complete control over the money, I can use it when I need it instead of having to fight the insurance company to give me my money back to pay for things.

>>511419541
they have something like that called a HSA account except you can either leave it as cash or invest in stocks. HSA accounts suffer no tax penalty (before or after taxes) and also grows tax free. i think this account is more important then a 401k or roth.

>>511419541
Heathcare is deliberately prohibitively expensive without the bargaining power of an insurance network. They don't want you off the plantation. You would be wiped out in a single emergency.

>>511418960 (OP)
That’s not how that works the point of insurance is to pool money so in the unlikely event soemthitn bad happens to you there is money to pay for it


Sometimes insurance isn’t worth it ie you have enough liquid cash to pay for emergencies

Most people don’t have liquid cash like that.

If they are going to return your premiums they might as well pay the claim but soon nobody’s claims will be paid because you’ll bankrupt the company

>>511418960 (OP)
Insurance companies should not be mandatory. That way, is one of them don't pay, all the customers switch and it die.
Obama did this.

>>511419064
God isn't doing jack shit.

>>511420033
Americans are enslaved to their employer sponsored insurance. A “healthcare marketplace” is a scam because insurance companies are inherently dishonest and lie about their coverage. Insurance simply shouldn’t be a thing except for medical emergencies everything else should be cheap and out of pocket.

>>511419303
That's essentially what liberty mutual told me when my roof started leaking.
Much like social security, I'd have been better off putting that money in the stock market.

>>511418960 (OP)
Why do economically illiterate retards always imagine that there is this nebulous middle-man who can and will eat all the supposedly unjust costs of a particular system or business model, if only the right regulations are brought in to force him to do so? This is a fantasy. If you introduce a policy that increases the cost of doing business, prices will go up or the product quality will decrease or both.
>hur dur why don't we just make it illegal for supermarkets to charge money for food, then food will be free and plentiful
Exact same logic.

>>511420033
Insurance isn’t mandatory

>>511420433
Because most people are literally fucking stupid anon

On top of that they are selfish, short sighted and have the maturity of children

Most people are like this, 90% of women and probably half of men,

This is why democracy is fucking dumb and will always over the course of time collapse in on itself

>>511420405
The alternative is single payer. Only the state buy (and pay) medicare, yes at the taxpayer expense, but since there is only one customer, the bargaining power of everybody is colossal.

>>511420438
Then why do people paid for this scam company? Pay for one that give your money back or save it.

>>511420433
Okay then we outlaw private insurance.

>>511420433
> please dont shoot me guys!

>>511420609
The vast majority of people in the USA are happy with their insurance

The screeching is because politicians want more power and influence and leverage a bunch of retarded black people and poor young kids who don’t have jobs and insurance outside of employment is very expensive, at least that was the case in 2008

Now wi th Obamacare and the fuckery it added to insurance regulations insurance is even MORE expensive for the poor and blacks


So 90% of people get along just fine with their employment based coverage but since a small group of people are fuckign stupid and take chances and get fucked with no insurance we have to talk about the state taking over the entire healthcare system

“Think of the poor black obese women with diabetes!!!! Think of the illegals”.

That’s literally it

>>511419083
The problem is that US political culture. Here universal healthcare means universal. Despite how orwellian the UK is, you won't be denied healthcare etc for having the wrong political beliefs because out system wasn't built by american leftists. American leftists weaponize any institutional power they have against ideological enemies, and so people's expectation of universal single payer healthcare in the US is shaped by this. You pay into the system but you have the wrong opinions (or even the right opinions but uncharitably interpreted) so now the cancel mob pressures the government into taking away your healthcare etc. American leftists don't understand that how they behave within the institutions they currently control sets people's expectations for how they will be behave in any future institutions they establish. If you act like maoists in the universities then people will expect you to act like maoists in a hypothetical future social healthcare system.

>>511418960 (OP)
You also need to get the interest they earned while they had the money. They lose out on the pay and benefits for the people managing that money.

>>511419064
You took that verse out of context.
Its the sermon on the mount, About how Jews THINK they're justified and made clean by following the jewish Laws, but in reality they all fall short of the intent of the Law.
Man cannot fulfil the law, only the messiah

>>511420947
We have universal healthcare

Nobody can be denied life saving care anywhere in the USA ever regardless of ability to pay. Furthermore between Medicare, Medicaid, veterans affairs and various state and federal insurance plans we actually had the largest single payer (aka universal) healthcare system in the world (that’s real not bullshit like China) over 100 million people on it

So go fuck off limey none of you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about as usual

>>511420894
Okay, but if it is legal to not have an insurance, why wold anybody gove money to one that they know won't give them anything back?

>>511420894
The vast majority of people in the USA would be happier or, at least, indifferent if someone shot major important people associated with their insurance provider. I'm fine, but I know my insurance isn't as effective or lean as it could be and there is no motivator greater than a survival pressure. We should actually normalize killing CEOs. It keeps them on their toes and forces them to always push for a more optimal way of satisfying more customers. All that money should come with a trade off snd the threat of murder=happier consumers since you fucking better give them what they want or they'll just fucking kill you.

>>511421277
It’s not illegal to not have insurance

>>511418960 (OP)
(((Insurance))) is yet another jewish scam.

>>511420894
> The vast majority of people in the USA are happy with their insurance
Nobody is happy with their insurance who actually has to use it and navigate the hell that is the American medical system. The AMA has literally spent decades shilling and lobbying for extorting the taxpayers and colluding with insurers, pharmaceutical companies to add mountains of bureaucracy and push treatments that give the highest ROI instead of the most effective ones with the best outcomes. It’s been so effective that normal people don’t even know that they are repeating propaganda concocted by a Pfizer lobbyist.

>>511419231
>Get rid of the middlemen whose entire business model is to take in as much revenue as they can and pay out as little as possible...
Is this an anti-semitism?

>>511421435
Then why do scam insurance companies are even a thing?

>>511420534
yeah and whats the other side? Autocracy?Where you are 1 schizo leader away to imminent collapse and famine?

>>511419064
You are right. I don't approve of only the CEO being considered at fault. It is all the exeuctives, all of the investors and all of the politicians that enable systems like this to exist in the first place that harm the greater population. And as Jesus said, if you do not own a sword sell your cloak.

>>511418960 (OP)
>reddit

>>511421624
>>511421737
>bro everyone hates their insurance
>bro just trust me

No

>>511421746
Yes, what is this fantasy that monarchies and autocracies were unstable? They have a much longer track record for peace and stability than democracy does.

If democracy was so great why aren’t companies democracies? Why do democracies always collapse into dictatorships? Why aren’t militaries run by the collective?

You’ve imbibed propaganda that justified itself in your government run school

>>511419906
Don't get sick or have an emergency. Simple as...

>>511419541
People who are "self pay" pay a fraction of the cost for the same (or better) care because the doctors team of employees who deal with (((insurance))) companies don't have to fight for payment. Give it a try. It's nice.

>>511420031
>the point of insurance is to pool money so in the unlikely event soemthitn bad happens to you there is money to pay for it
Lol... That is not the point of (((insurance))). That is the propaganda they feed to the gullible. Lol...

>>511422062
>ignore your lying eyes and ears goy. Empirical evidence is le fake.
The only people who like their insurance are on high premium plans subsidized by their company where they don’t have to pay for shit, or they get Medicare or Medicaid. This is while the U.S. government pays for Israeli healthcare

>>511420609
Because most people are retarded and will do whatever the TV tells them to do.

>>511420894
Americans love their health insurance -- is that why the nigger mayor of NYC did an insane show of force perp walk, and every jew controlled news media outlet gave their talking heads very clear orders to pretend not to understand why Brian Thompson was rightfully executed like the fat pig jewslave faggot that he was?

>>511420894
Are you fucking for real? Every single person I know is ignoring medical debt because of bad insurance coverage.

>>511422483
>>511422452
>>511422410

>My anecdotal experience tells me more than the facts ever could

I’m not going to argue with stupid people
Good luck to you all

>>511422354
I’ve worked In insurance my whole life I know exactly how it works

>>511420433
because you retards live in theory and not in reality, the service quality is already abysmal and the price is extortionate even with lack of regulations

>>511422627
i work in corporate accounting at a major PBM. insurance and PBMs are scams.

>>511420534
>This is why democracy is fucking dumb and will always over the course of time collapse in on itself
we dont live and have never lived in a democracy though?

>>511421835
Jesus is supposedly the same god who spent centuries telling Jews to go constantly mass murder everyone around them and steal their land and turn their women and children into sex slaves, so I couldn't give less of a fuck about any Christian non-violence ideology.

>>511422627
>Ummmm chud, anecdotal evidence isn’t evidence. Don’t you know men can be women? Le evidence says so
Please spare me the sophist bullshit when anyone with two eyes and real world experience attempt to navigate the medical systems and see for themselves how fucked up it is

>>511422742
They aren’t scams you are just retarded

>I bought insurance why don’t they pay for everything

Shut up faggot

>>511422773
We absolutely live in a democracy and have for at least 125 years, our republic has degraded as all do under the pressures of democratic populism which is now more ore less how our society is functioning as straight democracy with ever stronger pushes for more democracy more democracy

It’s society acid and it always fails

>>511422884
>strawman
>chasing the subject

Your a nigger brain and you deserve to be poor lmao

>>511422627
You are the goodest goy.

>>511423071
you have no idea how these plans are priced or how they make money. they're scams to the extent that there are numerous federal and state lawsuits regarding covered medications being more expensive than cash pay, or baseless fees being charged. these are regarding state medicaid and federal medicare.

>>511423071
>We absolutely live in a democracy and have for at least 125 years, our republic has degraded as all do under the pressures of democratic populism which is now more ore less how our society is functioning as straight democracy with ever stronger pushes for more democracy more democracy
oligarchies are not democracies, if we were a democracy then why does the average citizen have zero power to influence any kind of politics?

>>511423071
>They aren’t scams...
Yes they are, retard.

>>511423145
>im a loser cause Jews

Lmao pathetic

let’s just kill them

>>511423275
If I should ever need medical care I will just pay cash. (((Insurance))) has always been a scam.

>>511423364
OH YES BRILLIANT IDEA JUST WALK INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WITH A WAD OF CASH LIKE YOU’RE BUYING FRUIT AT A MARKET STALL AND EXPECT THE SURGEON TO DROP EVERYTHING AND START BARGAINING OVER YOUR APPENDIX WHILE YOU BLEED ON THE FLOOR THIS ISN’T A GARAGE SALE IT’S A RUTHLESS INDUSTRY THAT CHARGES FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A BANDAGE AND A SHRUG YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT YOUR CASH WHEN THEY CAN BILL YOU INTO OBLIVION AND SUE YOUR FUTURE CHILDREN FOR INTEREST THIS ISN’T FREEDOM THIS IS SELF-INFLICTED FINANCIAL SEPPUKU WE COULD HAVE A SYSTEM THAT TREATS PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY’RE HUMAN NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENOUGH ZEROES IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT BUT NO LET’S JUST KEEP THROWING MONEY INTO THE VOID AND CALL IT A PLAN

>>511423137
>you deserve to be poor and in a lifetime of debt for your inherited medical condition you fucking goy
>NOOOOO WHY DO YOU HATE ME AND DONT CARE THAT IM GETTING KILLED -ACK
the nerve of you kikes

>>511423674
This is the mentality of neoliberal social darwinism in a nutshell
> never mind that I play dirty to get ahead
> alls fair in love and war anon :^)
> wait don't shoot me anon!
> that's unchristian!
Cue the internet getting inundated with angry billionaire noises.

>>511423986

I do like how the people who shill for health insurance companies (easily the most evil business in existence) don’t even try to pretend to care about how fucked up the system is. They don’t offer any solutions, they lie to your face about how it’s actually great and tell you that you’re a stupid fucking goy and that there’s nothing you can do but be scalped by them. Take it and like it. It really shows us that satanic demons do exist and they wear human skin and that there are indeed people who deserve death in this world.

>>511423671
Cool story, bro. Thanks!