Thread 511982016

If you’ve ever watched The Man in the High Castle or played Wolfenstein, you’ve come across a dystopia where Germany has somehow enslaved the entire world. In reality, the Germans would never expand beyond what’s shown on this map.

Conquering southern Russia would secure the bulk of the Soviet Union’s food, oil, and manpower—effectively knocking out the USSR. The Soviets would cede half of European Russia, but not the entire A–A Line. Once Moscow fell, pushing any further east would only widen the front at enormous cost and little strategic gain. A deal would be struck whereby Slavs unable to assimilate into the German Reich would be relocated to the Soviet rump state. Central Asia would become a new Russian heartland as millions of Slavs would resettle there and Russify the region. Communism would end sooner, and Russia would ironically be about as strong as it is today. The South Caucasus would receive nominal independence to appease the Turks who wanted a buffer zone and influence in Azerbaijan. The Second Vienna Award would be rescinded in recognition of Romania's outsized war effort. Romania had neither the interest nor the resources to colonize Transnistria, while Transylvania held major cultural significance. Only Alsace-Lorraine and Luxembourg would be annexed in the West. Lebensraum had always been about expanding east. Germany would rival India in its size and America in its population/economy. Hitler would have no successor, and no one in his circle would have anywhere near his cult of personality. Upon his death, the Prussian Junker class would launch a coup to restore the Kaiserreich. Eastern Europe would turn into a giant Bohemia.

Given these facts, why does the media always portray the Germans as hellbent on subjugating the globe? It’s a historical lie. Hitler admired the British Empire and wanted to coexist alongside other Western nations. There was even a plan to create a post-war European confederation not unlike our present-day EU.

>>511982016 (OP)
Wow it's almost like they hate the Nazis or something

>>511982016 (OP)
>where Germany has somehow enslaved the entire world
You don't need to fire a single bullet when you have a usury-free economy.

>>511982016 (OP)
Who cares? They lost.

>>511982016 (OP)
The streets on Wolfenstein looks clean
>>511982932
Based MIGAtard, your president rape kids

>>511982016 (OP)
High IQ post
Respect

>>511982016 (OP)
>played Wolfenstein, you’ve come across a dystopia where Germany has somehow enslaved the entire world
I don't remember that in RTCW...
then again I mostly spdevmap'd the boss fight maps with give all and godmode but more than anything I had to explain to my granddad how to do that every single fucking day because he would forget despite writing it all down
I ought to play through it legit someday... someday

>>511982016 (OP)

Yeah I don’t think so. I don’t think there was any possibility of a peace deal with the Soviets. The commissar order shows that it was a war of total annihilation. One side was going to be completely destroyed. What you saw happen is what would have happened if Germany had won except it would have been the USSR being totally destroyed and then desovietized.

As for everything else who really knows. Different plans were floated at different times. Things changed as per the geopolitical situation. In our timeline the Germans did create a Free Russian government to replace the USSR. The Japanese also had something similar. Who really knows what would have happened if they had won. They lost so we will never know.

>>511982829
What video is this?

>>511985061
If the Soviet counterattack to retake Moscow failed, Stalin would be overthrown and the Soviet government would likely collapse. A provisional government would almost certainly sign a peace treaty.

>>511985061
The Germans opened peace talks in October 1941. Goering also said the plan was to force the Soviets to the negotiation table.

>>511986277
Excerpt from a speech by Alfred Rosenberg, given in Vienna in 1940 I believe.

i dont know how the personal experiences of other people was during German occupation but the Germans returned stolen land and property to people and it was pretty chill where my grandma was

>>511982016 (OP)
There wouldn't be enough Russians to "Russify" central Asia, most Russians lived in European Russia and they'd be trapped there after German annexation and exterminated/enslaved. Also, they did want to move further past that line, the Germanic superstate would stretch to the urals, the one in your image is a post-1943 compromise.

>>511985061
https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/Hitler-Lebensraum:4
https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/Hitler-Stalin:a
https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/hitler-communism:3
https://x.com/Gothicismuz/status/1916688743794118794

>>511982016 (OP)
>A deal would be struck whereby Slavs unable to assimilate into the German Reich would be relocated to the Soviet rump state
Slavs wouldn't be assimilated, you autistic retard. They were to be exterminated or deported to Siberia. It was only ones who were evaluated as racially valuable (i.e. having nordic traits) that would be Germanised. The rest would be slaves.

>>511989530
Nobody in Germany held such fanatical views outside of Himmler and Goebbels (neither of whom would succeed Hitler). A compromise would have to be struck since the Germans could never occupy the entirety of the Soviet Union, while the Soviets could never reconquer their western territories once Moscow fell. I have a feeling cooler heads would prevail, like how the Red Terror ended after Stalin died in our timeline. The German people were too wealthy, too educated, and too enamored with the West to stoop to such a level. Especially once the stress of the war was over.

>>511982016 (OP)
Because the authors are based and Tordesillaspilled

>>511991255
That would've been the better world

>>511988943
>he Germanic superstate would stretch to the urals
The absolute furthest east anyone ever proposed going was the A–A Line, and even that was hundreds of kilometers west of the Urals. However, once Finland takes the Kola Peninsula, Murmansk is cut off and Arkhangelsk is blocked, effectively ending the Arctic route of Lend-Lease.

>>511982016 (OP)
Because Nazi Germany was unhinged and had no actual long-term strategies for survival. The German economy was built upon a massive deception scheme so devious that you would think a kike came up with it (rather, it was a Freemason). MeFo Bills enabled massive deficit spending that was kept off the official government books (and thus hiding the fact that the Germans were pulling money out of their asses). Those bills were supposed to have a guaranteed pay-out date, which meant that the Nazis were on borrowed time until they would have to admit that they had a massive deficit and their money was worthless (again). When the Nazis realized they were spending their way into a fiscal crisis, they annexed Austria and Czechia to plunder their reserves and try to stave off the imminent fiscal crisis. Then they strong-armed Romania into a lopsided economic deal to get cheap oil and a market for their exports. When they tried to do the same thing to Poland, the Poles refused to play along.

The German economy was wholly dependent on plunder as a means of staving off the imminent credit crunch. They plundered Poland and France as much as they could, but even that wasn't enough to offset their deficit. Then they invaded Russia, which had fuck all for them to loot thanks to communism. EVEN IF they captured Moscow, EVEN IF they captured the Baku oil fields, their economy would have still collapsed because they would have no fucking money to import shit like fertilizer and rubber.

>>511992514
>import shit like fertilizer and rubber.
They had advanced technical know-how to manufacture synthetic versions.

>>511982016 (OP)
Too bad cuckmany lost and was reduced to a microstate of castered cuckolds, eh?

>>511982016 (OP)
Fatherland (the book) has the most realistic depiction, essentially it would just be another authoritarian state ala China and Soviets. Atrocities would have been done, but without defeat it would be a footnote in history akin to Armenia, Holdomor, and Great Leap Forward instead of being the basis of the post WW2 order. Germany would be stuck in a difficult situation with a forever war in Russia and having to prop up their Ostland Colonies (Hitler wanted his conquests modeled after the Brit subjugation of India).

>>511992798
Synthetic rubber requires fucktons of oil. Which means less gas for the rest of the economy.
You cannot create "synthetic fertilizer" out of thin air. You need phosphates, and phosphates come out of the ground. Europe has no viable phosphate reserves, the closest ones are in Africa and Asia. Which means either conquering Morocco, Egypt, and Kazakhstan, or importing from those areas with their worthless monopoly money that nobody wanted.

And so we return to your opening post:
>why does the media always portray the Germans as hellbent on subjugating the globe?
Because the Germans were hellbent on subjugating the globe to finance their bullshit economy.

>Conquering southern Russia would secure the bulk of the Soviet Union’s food, oil, and manpower—effectively knocking out the USSR.
Stupid ass motherfucker.

>>511994137
>Which means either conquering Morocco, Egypt
Surely, the Italians and Vichy French can take care of this? Especially once their navies get oil again.

>>511994632
And how are they going to pay the Italians for it? The Reichsmark was worthless on the international market, even before the war began. The economy was still going to crash once the looting stops. The Italians would not give up their resources for free.

>but the germans had the strongest military, they would force the italians to give it up
Not exactly beating the "unhinged barbarian lunatics" accusation here.

>>511982016 (OP)
>played Wolfenstein
maybe you should read a book

>>511995143
>And how are they going to pay the Italians for it?
This is an easy one. Switzerland has gold. Once the economy stabilizes, they can do a monetary reform.

>>511995361
So the Germans would attack Switzerland, a neutral country, to plunder its gold reserves? Again, fueling the self-destructing plunder economy and also going against your premise that Germany were a bunch of good boys who dindu nuffin and wouldn't expand beyond the borders on your maps.
>monetary reform
The only viable monetary reform for the gigantic house of cards that was the German economy was Stunde Null.

>>511996049
>plunder economy
I love how this is just an Israeli projection <3

>>511995183
I read 'Man in the High Castle'. It's preddy entertaining but Phillip K Dick was basically a beatnick and a faggot

>>511996049
>So the Germans would attack Switzerland, a neutral country, to plunder its gold reserves?
Even this is unnecessary. The Germans can simply barter food, oil, and cheap Russian labor with the Italians in exchange for phosphate. They would have a limitless supply after capturing Ukraine, Southern Russia, and the Caucasus. I doubt there would be any economic collapse once they win the war. The economy would eventually stabilize.

>>511982016 (OP)
Because 99% of people believe things about the WWII and National Socialist Germany which either never happened, like the gas showers disguised as shower rooms, Germany starting the war, or Hitler having syphilis, among other shit.

Western education about WWII is entirely biased toward the Allies while carefully omitting Allied war crimes and atrocities like the firebombing of Dresden or pre-war Germanophobic rhetoric that was spreading in America and Europe.

Most people believe Hitler was some sort of psychotic person who magically took power and only the "good guys" could stop him. Of course they've never read Mein Kampf or any unkiked historical accounts of Hitler, his beliefs, and his life. Most people do not know what National Socialism even is, and half the time they think "Nazism" is the actual name for the ideology. Ask the average normie to illustrate the basics of NatSoc ideology and they will be incapable of doing so. Ask them why WWII started, and they'll either malfunction (because they don't know), or they'll claim it was because "Hitler was killing da jews" which isn't the reason why the war started, of course.

It's also socially unacceptable to try to have an unbiased, open approach to any of the untouchable topics surrounding WWII. Even having Mein Kampf on your bookshelf will elicit terrified reactions from normies who see it. If you try to say basic facts like Hitler didn't want a war, or Germany had zero territorial ambitions outside of Central Europe, then people will try to bite your head off because such things go against their programming.

This programming is intertwined with a lot of emotions and guilt. There's probably some childhood trauma in there too from constantly hearing about jews being burned alive or turned into soap or whatever the fuck.

All of that leads to a cartoonish, Marvel movie-like mindset surrounding WWII/Hitler/NatSoc

>>511982016 (OP)

few people have any idea just how pathetically low germonys resources were

>>511996252
Nail on the head. Pretty good summary
>>511996379
>All of that leads to a cartoonish, Marvel movie-like mindset surrounding WWII/Hitler/NatSoc
Eventually when countries actually have free speech we're going to have games about that

>>511996509
Her best resource was always her people. Until post modern liberalism kicked in. East Germany was pretty kino though.

>>511996276
>The Germans can simply barter an endless amount of plunder seized from a poor and devastated nation of literal peasants and dirt farmers
Okay, sure.

>I doubt there would be any economic collapse once they win the war. The economy would eventually stabilize.
In the same way that a burning house will eventually stop burning once it runs out of house to burn.

>>511996619

i know . germon efficency actually used to be a thing, at least on the micro level, until the cultural marxists destroyed it

>>511996252
>>511996556
Try re-reading "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" with the understanding that the androids are Jews. You'll get a new appreciation for PKD.

>>511996984
I'm going to do this actually, that sounds interesting.
>>511996849
>cultural marxists
Liberal coded.

>>511982016 (OP)
Did you know they were planning on going all the way to India? They were going to take the Caucasus, go down and take the Levant and close the Suez from both East and West, and then swing through Iran into India. The strategic goal was to deprive Britain of their colonies, but of course extending the Reich was a nice bonus.
They had an option for getting to the Mideast via Turkey as well.
Oh, and contingency plans for occupying Spain and taking Gibraltar to close the Mediterranean off from the Atlantic.
So, they did have aspirations even though none of these came to pass because of battlefield defeats.

The fictional nazi and all the slurs against germans cannot be let drop as judaism relies so heavily upon it’s ww2 self insertion psy op still even today despite all the nooticing of it’s silliness. Like the 40 baked & beheaded lil’ bairns that didn’t exist we saw all jews weighing in on that lie, it’s a well oiled machine it wasn’t their first rodeo you see, you saw it, this is what judaism is all about, unfortunately. It’s very worrying.
I wish the world were different but it’s not so you just have to tell the truth and here’s the secret of my success
>those conspiracy theorists are always right
You want to know how to be right all the time? Just tell the truth. Think about it a second, be right = tell the truth, that’s how i do it anyway. It’s really easy to be right all the time.
Don’t watch any msm of any type or advertising. Avoid reading it too as well as avoid using big tech sites which are all tricks. Patron saint of based levels of being right will occur all around you.
Wtf else were you going to do, chat shit?

>>511982016 (OP)
the entire postwar era depends on that kind of propaganda

A better world we deserve to have, yet was robbed from us.

I hate the gay fucking earth and boomer faggot-scum.

>>511999301
>Going all the way to India
I'm sure Hirohito would not have shit himself over that.