Trump has absolutely dominated US politics for a decade, even during Biden's administration he still dominated it.
What happens after 2028? How does the right go forward without Trump as its leader? How does the left go forward without legitimately having an unhealthy obsession with Trump being their entire agenda?

>>511994502 (OP)
I will be voting Vance

>>511994569
It's Vance's nomination, and probably presidency, if he wants it. I don't really know who would beat him in a GOP primary.

>>511994502 (OP)
Trump is setting up a good framework for the next Republican. Vance only really needs to keep up with deportations and destroying DEI and most Republicans would be satisfied. In 2032, he will be less green and better able to implement actual policy

>>511994947
I see Vance as the calmer, better speaking version of Trump. It'll pretty much be the same policies, possibly even some of the same cabinet, but with less erratic swings and a more relaxed vibe. After another 3.5 years of Trump I think people will like that.

>How does the left go forward without legitimately having an unhealthy obsession with Trump being their entire agenda?
The obsession started before he got in the first time. It didn't abate when Biden was in. In ten years, they'll still be screeching about him, headlines about "a worrying return to Trump-style rhetoric" or the like. Don't go expecting them to suddenly be rational and stop caring just because he stops being relevant.

>>511994502 (OP)
>2008, 2012
>Dems run a man twice
>they win
>2016
>Dems run a woman
>they lose
>2020
>they run a man again
>they win (inb4 muh stolen)
>2024
>they run a man, but he pretends to be senile
>so they replace him with his VP, but it's a woman
>they lose
Hate to say it, but if they run Gavin Nuisance or HxH Biden, the Dems are probably gonna win.

>>511994502 (OP)
It won't be vance

>>511995500
Then who?
>>511995249
That is disastrous for the left though. They HAVE to pivot away from Trump or they'll be seen as even more desperate and out of touch. At some point they're actually going to need policies, not just shouting drumpf every day.

>>511994502 (OP)
What are the chances it's Hunter Biden and Trump Jr? I remember people pushing for Jeb! and Hillary, so for some fucking reason, I see this as a possible outcome.

>>511995041
I think Vance's first term will be somewhat better than Trump's first only because Trump was very green coming in and Vance was at least a senator, so he kinda knows hows to play already

>>511995423
If they put up a moderate democrat (by today's standard), something like a 2008 Obama, then they would win pretty easily.

>>511996093
We don't know yet. Maybe Trump again.

Chance of MIGA 100%

>>511996159
I don't really think any of Trump's kids care about getting into politics, and Hunter isn't a serious person.
>>511995423
You'll know if the democrats are really trying by who the DNC appoints to be the nominee. If it's someone like Newsom or Bashear, they're trying; if it's some black trans woman with a disability, they're just laundering money.

>>511994502 (OP)
Massie/Tucker is the next stage.

>>511994502 (OP)
Hahaha another Republican!
Republicans trash the economy Dems swoop in and save it.
Liberals are riche enough not totally care but working folks have a hard time coming.
You won!
Kek

>>511996414
Can you liberal retards ever have an actual political discussion without seething?
>>511996383
lol Trump isn't running, you can kinda tell this because of how fast he's moving. He knows he only has 3.5 more years.

>>511996460
Tucker has again and again said he doesn't want to be a politician, and lolberts aren't serious people.

>>511994502 (OP)
I didn't understood why newsom wasn't nominated instead of harris, I guess dems didn't want to risk newsom losing to trump, if it happened, it would be a much worse defeat for dems.

but in 2028 newsom is going to win easily over trump or vance, if trump doesn't pull a bukele.

>>511994638
>>511994569
i rather have a third trump than vance. vance and trump are the same amount of bad, but vance is young and no a retard.

>>511994502 (OP)

where can i bet a gazillion that's it's not gonna be buttiface who wins the dem nomination

>>511996674
Arschgeige lmao

>>511996353
nah they need to go even more woke. jewish nigger mulatto tranny communist or bust.

>>511996528
>Can you liberal retards ever have an actual political discussion without seething?
They really need a long dilation break

>>511996288
>>511995041
vance is chameleon politician. one momeny he is ohio boy anti-trumper, trump is nazi, now he is a forever trumper maga guy. Before if trump did badly he was gonna run as a dem against him, obama's team was prepping him

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/jd-vance-trump-republican-frumforum/629814/

>>511996580
Well there's a few reasons. The main one being absolutely no one wanted to be tied to Biden's record. It would've been political suicide for someone outside the administration to run having to defend all the terrible shit Biden was doing. Another reason was Biden's debate performance was legitimately the worst in US political history, so when they coup'd his candidacy the didn't have much time so shift Harris from the VP ticket to presidential nominee was the easiest. They also could transfer the frozen campaign funds over to Harris because they were part of the same campaign.

>>511996570
It doesn't matter what he says now. We'll see in a few years. Alternatively, you could have Rand Paul run as VP. And really vice versa. Massie/Paul 2028. Massie could easily beat Vance in a primary and beat any dem in the general.

>>511994569
He's going to fuck you over with more Indians because he married one

>>511996773
that makes sense

>>511996580
Buttigieg would have a higher chance over Newsom just because of his poor record from California. He lost a popularity poll to Harris when Biden was stepping down so only the hard leftists support Newsom. They're thinking Dwayne Johnson may run as a politician just because of how "safe" he's been in all of his interviews over the past few years so I can see him getting the nominee.

>>511996818
Massie might not even win reelection ffs. His libertarian virtue signalling is irrelevant and just annoying people. he can run for the lolbert nomination.
>>511996882
it was a total shitshow lol, a genuinely unprecedented shitshow

>>511996770
he said he believed the lies, it was an off statement that the media is trying to make bigger

>>511996848
he's pretty staunchly against h1bs taking american jobs, you're just posting hysterics

>>511996761
undecided bros... it's finally our time

>>511996848
>more Indians
I’ve met one in my entire life, that’s alright. Bring a few more in to silicon valley to screw over those people, not my problem.

>>511996671
Trump can't run again, the memes about another run are fun but he can't lol.
>>511996848
>hur dur
ffs stfu

>>511994502 (OP)
Ill be voting republican regardless. Ill never vote for a democrat. Democrats are crypto commie scum who want to destroy America.

>>511996580
He's incredibly unpopular nationally and they can't risk losing California once since if a Republican or even a more moderate Democrat gets in they will never win it back, then they are dead as a national party.

>>511996927
Massie will win with 70%+ of the vote, dummy. His district loves him and he's one of the few sane and noncorrupt people in government. He also has cross aisle appeal since he is against Israeli control of our politics.
T. used to live in his district

>>511995041
>I see Vance as the calmer, better speaking version of Trump
it was his outburst with the Ukraine gnome that Trump hated so much, and had to cover for.
Vance spoke out of turn and "wasn't classy".
1. Can't see Trump allowing Vance to succeed him.
2. Things would really have to change for the GOP to win in 2028, but the Dems are super-capable of fucking it up for themselves.
3. If Vance becomes President, that's some grim shit for your country, but more importantly for the status of the US dollar as reserve currency -- and that's the only issue there is, as far as the USA is concerned.

>>511994502 (OP)
It’s hard to imagine post-Trump politics because good lord just look at that lineup, it’s all shit. Biden was at least a Democrat superstar, remember when people liked him more than Obama as the goofy VP? There’s nothing like that with the Dems now and Vance has the fat face images going for him while everyone else is literally who

>>511996580
They had to give the nomination to kamala because she was vp and helped engineer the palace coup to remove sleepy Joe. Also it'd have been "racist" to give the nomination to a White man instead of kamala.

>>511994502 (OP)
Can I bet that Trump won't run since there is no way they could get another ammendment passed in 50 states to overturn the 22nd? I know the 22nd says ten years so ideally he could win a SC cade and run for a two year presidency where he retires on the 730th day but that would be electoral cancer and he's not going to be popular enough to win a primary against Vance in three years
>>511995041
I know a lot of Trump boomers who would have preffered Vance in the last election, he's gonna be comming off of the worst approval ratings since dubya's second term for his administration.
>>511995423
Newsom is straight cancer. I think Hillary represented the most unpopular part of the dems in 2016, establishment neocons, kamala the same, and Newsom also represents the performative do nothing democrats. AOC honestly would have the best shot out of that field. Actually let's do an AOC vs MTG national election. They are both batshit, but at least authentic

>>511997240

>>511997250
>that Trump hated so much
No it wasn't. It was Zelensky saying "you will soon feel war here" that pissed him off, and rightfully so. Who the fuck is this little shit from some eastern european shithole telling the president of the united states in the fucking white house what we will be feeling? it was completely out of line. zelensky's entire tone was out of line honestly.

>>511997258
>Biden was at least a Democrat superstar
I think people forget this lol. In 2020 he was legitimately the best candidate they had because he was
>straight
>white
>christian
>male
>"""moderate"""
>elder statesman
compared to the rest of that group of retards he was the least retarded.

>>511997358
>trusting polls in 2025
I rest my case.

>>511997452
People were BEGGING him to run since 2017, he was Joe, the VP everyone liked. Even when he was pretty clearly going senile even during the primary it wasn’t until the Kamala attacks on him that got progressives uppity about him, and then the actual general election season where Trump went in on him, that his public opinion got more negative. The only Democrat with any sort of media “presence” today is probably AOC, Newsom is the ideal candidate if you care about winning but his baggage is insane at this point

>>511997681
It is sad that Biden could've retired from politics a well liked, goofy old VP, but he got greedy and ruined his legacy. I just think a californian neoliberal like Newsom is so cringe to most of america.
I do think AOC is going to primary Schumer lol

>>511997832
>>511997681
Anybody on the dem side will need to be anti-Israel in order to win the youth vote in the general.

>>511994502 (OP)
>president butt
kek

>>511997832
Newscum is too hollywood to win nationally. The slicked back hair and bleached teeth , are offensive. Very fake and plastic. He looks slimy.

>>511997962
>very fake and plastic and slimy
And orange Trump doesn't?

>>511998048
Trump doesn't pretend not to be.

>>511997832
Biden claimed he ran after Charlottesville which is hilarious since he used to be friends with KKK members when he was younger, I think it’s just his family wanted in on money and he was the obvious choice after Hillary flopped.

And yeah Newsom is the not-geriatric moderately handsome affluent white guy that they want with the major catch that no one likes him and even Dems/progressives usually have nothing positive to say about him even when Trump attacks him. It’s a bit hard to overcome that part, and none of the token POC senators are even close to Obama in terms of being media articulate or witty, which leaves AOC who would probably run for the senate before presidency anyways. It’s clown world, maybe they’ll just run Pete as a gruff gay millennial man who isn’t afraid to call Vance a fag and win the millennial vote while zoomers blackpill themselves into oblivion

>>511998048
Lol. Tell me you dont understand voter habits without telling me.
Trump as a candidate has infinitely more personability than Newsom.
Hes a billionaire and yet manages to have more working class and middle class appeal than any democrat candidate

>>511994502 (OP)
He also dominated 14 yr old girls

>>511998229
>maybe they’ll just run Pete
One of the funniest things from 2020 was the fact blacks hated him and he couldn't answer why lol. The problem for the left is they're all proxies of their rotten brand. They legitimately need to rebrand but everything they do is seen as forced, inorganic, and cringe; like a "rebranding campaign" would be.

>>511994502 (OP)
Massie2028 looks more likely by the day
>>511994638
Massie, literally only Boomercons support Israel and they are dying out. Massie just needs to talk about foreign policy and bring up Palantir to win.
>>511997358
Kaplan polls is literally run by an Israeli shill, its obvious they are fake, his district only has a 0.1% Jewish population.
>>511996460
Frankly I don't see anyone else that could win, America is sick and tired of Israel, they dont like the Dems and they fucking hated the BBB. Massie could coup the Government tomorrow and install himself as dictator and would still maintain popular support.

>>511998048
Trump is a gaudy 80s guy he's different
Newscum is a try hard 2000s guy. He just seems like a reptilian or something with his hollywood look. Trump is unique with his orange appearance and mannerism, hes not trying to be anyone but himself. Newscum is an empty suit in comparison which is more unnerving than the orange man. Newscum is Patrick Bateman. Trump is Trump

>>511998510
it's funny you supposedly natsoc zoomers are now shilling for lolberts, you're devolving ideologically but you don't even know what I mean by that because you're stupid.

>>511998510
I hope massie runs. That would make for an entertaining primary

>>511994502 (OP)
Democrats win and all the people on this site demanding the Epstein files get released spamming threads vanish overnight

>>511998585
remember when he went on his 'podcast tour' to try and relate to fellow people that live in the united states of america

>>511994502 (OP)
> Vance
lol literally handing the presidency to Palantir on a platter

>>511998048
The difference is that Trump is fake like a WWE star while Newsom is fake like a morning show host in the year of 2025

>>511998334
David Hogg situation showed that first and foremost the upper echelon in the party won’t accept any real change if it means primary challenges to everyone. I still suspect AOC will be used to do this because she’s really only as progressive as Obama was before his 2nd term, she can be used to assure people that the DNC is totally safe to vote for now while nothing fundamentally changes besides younger faces and less overt Zionism like Schumer. I think the Democrats view millennials as ultimately their only path to victory, everything is shaped around them, as boomers are dying now they will be the largest generation.

>>511998647
Once they get released, they'll stop spamming about them and won't read them; but they'll still be here spamming the next current thing.

>>511997940
That's gonna win independants and even MAGA conservatives. There were a lot of diehard Republicans who were so disgusted with Bush at the end of 08 that voted for Obama, of the field I think she has the best chance. Mayor Pete and Newsom would be dukakis tier slam dunks that go right off the rim

>>511998119
That's a very keen insight anon

>>511998647
The Epstein files thing is wholly the fault of Trump and his admin for how it was handled, just a messy shitshow that gave liberals immense ammunition and all for nothing

>>511994502 (OP)
Vance vs AOC in 2028. You can bet your life on it.
>>511998282
Newsom is cal*for Ian which means he's pro illegal immigration. Complete nonstarter.

>>511998778
Ever since 2016, when the DNC cucked Bernie out of the nomination, the left has been quietly focused on suppressing the same kind of populist energy that elected Trump. The populist right took over the GOP and merged with all the other cuckservatives, but the populist left was suppressed as useful idiots. They're becoming uncontrollable now so I expected the dem establishment to push AOC even harder now because she's controlled opposition (inter-party controlled op). She's just a limousine liberal who larps like le socialist, like that muslim in NYC.

>>511998621
nah im a Mutualist, but even I am vying for Massie due to him being consistent in Non-Interventionism and his economic ideas being the least retarded.
>>511998643
It would be a slaughter for MIGA
>>511998728
EXACTLY, all Massie would need to do is talk about Vance's connection to Palantir and hes fucked. All roads lead to Damassie

>>511994502 (OP)
US politics looking grim for 2028.

>>511998778
>Trump is fake like a WWE star while Newsom is fake like a morning show host in the year of 2025
100% and Trump is unique. Hes kind of bizarre
Newscum is trying to be some turbo normie and it gives an uncanny valley effect

>>511998994
>Mutualist
well la-dee-da looky here we gots ourselves a yuppie smarty pants.
>MIGA
oh nvm

>>511997265
This

>>511998965
Yeah and AOC is gonna pivot to the center for the general, she won't really even need to in the primaries if Newsom is her top opponent. She'll be able to say she's against illegal immigration but also against inhumane treatment of detainees. Newsom will look and be a major part of the problem even 2/3rds of the party understands

>>511998651
Yeah. He did Shawn Ryan's show and then accepted a gun that with CA laws he couldn't even take back to CA. I dont know who in the Shawn Ryan audience was convinced by newscum. Newscum has to do this performative "man stuff" , its really disturbing. Its like a minstrel show.

>>511998965
>a yuppie brown woman
god I hope they do this. Vance would unironically destroy her in a debate. Whatever you do, bet the over on the amount of times AOC says "like".

>>511999242
Americans don't want open borders and Newsome or AOC are going to have that associated with them even if they publicly disagree with it.

>>511999172
yes, Workers owning the MOP in a Free Market is a smart idea, thank you. Also yes, MIGA is in clear decline and Massie would slaughter them in a primary, no competition

>>511999342
No one takes lolberts seriously you retard. You groypers spend too much time on the internet.

>>511998979
Bernie is ultimately a Democrat too, he refused to call it a genocide in Palestine while MTG has called it one. I don’t personally view the populist left as even being a thing anymore, the Israel campus protests are wholly unrelated to the Democrats at this point and they don’t rally around politicians.

AOC is the perfect CIA/DARPA lab grown politician for them because she really is THE millennial politician, she ensures any progressives don’t go off the plantation, and you’re correct, Zohran is the exact same. Obama and those two are very similar. Millennial socdem is the model going forward but anyone who knows anything knows that socdems are just liberals

>>511994502 (OP)
ALL ARABS ARE ASSHOLES
>SPREAD THE WORD

>>511998994
>would be a slaughter for MIGA
I dont think it would be. But it'd be good for massie to run so we all can see what his support is like in the republican party. Maybe he performs well, maybe he doesnt. If his base is fringe and distributed across the whole country, he wont be able to win the nomination and it will be tough for him to pick off a lot of Trump's base if Vance or Rubio runs or someone else from Trump Season 2. We'll see what happens. I hope massie doesnt cuck and he actually runs and tries to win.

>>511997962
Newscome is good looking, white, male and fairly hard left.
He's gonna win no matter who the republicunts throw up. Everyone is thoroughly sick of Trumps crazy shit and Vance is tainted by association, as well as solidly evil in his own right.

>>511999520
>I don’t personally view the populist left as even being a thing anymore
I do, the actually voters are legitimately populist left, but are too usefully idiotic to realize they're useful idiots lol. Not for marxists but for neolibtards. The difference on the right is that the populists actually won and took over the party. Neocons are rare now whereas neoliberals are in complete control of the party still, even if it's in decline.

>>511999520
I know way too millenial women irl who are like AOC and millenial men who believe the same garbage as zohran. Very common types in blue cities. Girl bosses were rejected at the ballot box in 2016 and 2024

>>511999417
im not a Groyper lol, but its obvious Massie is going to win 2028, no one likes the Dems, no one likes Trump, Massie was right from the start on Israel which has 9% support now, he is leading the crusade on releasing the Epstein files. Explain how Vance would win in a primary against Massie unless if it wasnt explicitly rigged
>>511999708
desu only the Boomercons like Trump now and they are literally dying out, and Vance is an open season target. Talk about how the BBB was and is a failure, talk about Israel, Epstein, Palantir, etc. Massie would slaughter them

4ch is fake and gay, I notice the patterns
>BETTER NOT RAPE ANY APES
HONK

>>511999895
>its obvious Massie is going to win 2028
you're just silly. you are a silly person.

>>511999835
>Neocon
Neocon is now an insult within the republican party. They got btfo and support democrats now. Never trumpers got told to kick rocks. Its not their party anymore. Tea party republicans won. Took a while but it happened.
The DSA types can sense that the democrat party is weak and they have been open from the beginning that their goal is to take over the democrat party

>>511999943
ok, point to anything that suggests Massie wouldn't win 2028. Trump has destroyed his own base and the ones that havent fled are dying off. Massie is leading the crusade to release the Epstein files, against Israeli support or influence, was one of the few Republicans against the most hated bill in US History (the BBB). Explain, in detail how this isnt a surefire win.

>>511999835
I just don’t view the modern Dem base as being that anymore. All the progressives “grew up” when Biden won, it was the neoliberal boomers patting the millennials on the back and saying it’s time become an adult and do adult things like voting Democrat and not acting out anymore. I see posts go viral now like “you better run the safest whitest guy in 2028 so Vance doesn’t win”, they chilled out over the last 5 years which is what led to the huge sudden radical shift with the zoomers who couldn’t make it since the economy went tits up after covid

>>512000004
>Neocon is now an insult within the republican party. They got btfo and support democrats now. Never trumpers got told to kick rocks. Its not their party anymore. Tea party republicans won
And that is what liberals and zoomer don't understand about 2016. It was a revolt against the GOP, and we won LOL. The populist left was subverted from winning and just became useful idiots for a decade. Only now are they realizing maybe the neoliberals who they shill for aren't actually good for them. That's why they distracted with the cultural shit for a decade.

>>511999895
I dont think he would slaughter anyone, but maybe im wrong. Either way itll be healthy for the republican party to see what support massie actually has. The support online counts but will those people actually show up and vote for him and in significant enough numbers? We'll see. Ill vote for whoever the party nominates, massie or whomever it is. Ill vote for Vance in the primary if he runs. Anyone from Trump Season 2 would be fine with me. We'll see what happens! 2028 is still a while away, a lot can happen between now and then
I think massie will have less success in 2028 if Trump's presidency goes really well. It'll be easier for him if Trump doesnt do well.

>>512000104
yea bro two more weeks until drumpf or whatever

>>512000279
for me at least, Massie or bust, and I think Trump is going to fail more and more and more.

>>511999806
Youre not an American. Newscum is not viable nationally and he would lose his own state if the elections werent rigged there. Gavin is fake and gay

>>512000320
im not implying shit, Massie is going to win 2028, again explain how he wouldnt right here right now

>>512000110
I agree with you but I still think the progressive, populist left still exists. They're getting more and more uppity and I think if Mamdani wins they'd actually get bold. Neoliberals are losing control of their useful idiots and it's amazing to watch. They either
>move to the center and lose the far left
>move to the far left and lose everyone else
Obviously I think they move to the center because they think the far left will still vote for them, but it could fracture the party.

>>512000177
MAGA was building before Trump ever ran. Pat Buchanan won.
>populist left was subverted from winning
They watched the nomination get stolen from Bernie and they stayed on the democrat plantation when Bernie told them to and be good boys and go vote for Hillary and they said yes massa bernie we sho is gonna vote for Hillary massa

>>512000104
Massie would be seen as anti MAGA

>>512000417
you liberal faggots come here and larp without knowing what you're larping as. you just pretend to be some caricature that you found on ręddit ffs. you don't even do it well when you slip in gay DNC talking points into your tirades.
I don't take you seriously honestly, just like how libertarians aren't taken seriously.

>>512000322
Thats alright. Youre entitled to your opinion and not alone in it. If massie doesnt run you guys wont know what support he actually has and him being the President is sort of just a fantasy that wont happen. For your sake and that of his supporters, I hope he runs and actually tries. You guys deserve that from him. Ill be very disappointed if he doesnt, he'd be letting down a lot of people

>>512000518
>MAGA was building before Trump ever ran. Pat Buchanan won.
Exactly. Trump isn't really a paleocon but enough of MAGA is that it killed off the neocons.
And my favorite thing is Bernie not mentioning millionaires anymore, just billionaires.

>>512000681
From Buchanan to the tea party republicans to Trump. Bye bye Cheneys!

>>512000552
I disagree, I think he could easily frame himself as the most MAGA through foreign policy alone, he literally just needs to call Trump a pedophile and JD an enabler and he takes a massive chunk off of that
>>512000595
no actually explain how Massie wouldnt win and what would stop him from winning
>>512000601
thanks, I think Massie will though, if not take over the GOP after Trump fumbles the 2026 election

>>512000926
I forget where, but I heard Cheney would've been Kamala's Secretary of Defense. How grotesque that would've been.

>>512000947
We'll see what happens. I agree that Massies potential success as a Presidential candidate is inversely correlated to the success Trump has as President. If 2026 goes well and Republicans pick up more seats and its 2028 and Trump is thought of highly, it will be difficult for massie to win against Vance or Rubio. If things go poorly for Trump, then massie looks better

>>512001041
That would've been terrible. We would've actually been on the road to ww3 instead of the nothing ever happens with Trump. Liz and kamala are evil women. Id much rather nothing ever happen than ww3 against russia and china and a roastie is sending men to die.

>>512000947
Libertarians just virtue signal and don't actually do anything. No one likes libertarians, just like how no one likes you liberal retards either. Trump/Vance put forwards ideas on what to do, Massie/lolberts just say what we shouldn't do.

>>511994502 (OP)
>>511994569
I'm sorry, but a Dem is 100% winning in 2028

Trump has fucked up so badly, a Republican isn't winning for the next 20 years. Doesn't matter who Dems nominate. GOP lost all its support

>>512001300
then why was Massie from the start looking to abolish the FED, all of Trump and Vances ideas are how to help the 1% and Israel more lol.
>>512001161
oh I agree, but Trump has done nothing but fail this term, nothing indicates this will change

>>512001402
Poll numbers for republicans and Trump are better than the numbers for democrats . Democrats are at their lowest favorability levels in a while.

>>512001402
Democrats are at record low approval ratings in multiple polls, most of which are left leaning. I'm not saying they're going to continue to be this low, but as of right now they're at a low point this century. They were at all time lows in February, and they're even worse now.
If they don't rebrand they're fucked for the foreseeable future.
>>512001655
You just hate Trump you faggot. Stop pretending to like lolberts to drumpf post, it's so fucking tiresome.

>>512001712
>Democrats are at their lowest favorability levels in a while.
For being too zionist

>>511999328
>Americans don't want open borders
2/3rds of the dems don't, 1/3rd is in fantasy land. Don't explain America to me leaf.

Newsom is a governor of the sanctuary state, AOC is a new York senator whose biggest gaffe is gonna be her photoshoot at the border camps.
>>511999835
>the populists took over the party
Bullshit, old money rules the GOP and there isn't any difference between Trump and Dubya at this point outside of retards thinking the GOP is populist. They're bigger base sellouts than even Clinton or Obama

>>512001655
>Trump has done nothing but fail this term
Most republicans would disagree with you about this. Thats why I want massie to run. I dont think people like you realize that youre a fringe and cant win and your opinion doesnt really matter in the republican party. Hopefully massie runs so his fan club can see their hero in action. He might just cuck you guys and you'll be back to fanfic about massie being the President.

>>512002025
you were like 12 in 2016 zoomer stfu

>>512001839
yes, I hate an Israel loving, European Interventionist, Mass Surveilling pedophile and want the exact opposite of that
>>512002053
I would disagree about that, literally just mention Epstein, Israel, the BBB, etc. Trump is literally just a Neocon
>>512001898
EXACTLY, Democrat voters feel rightfully betrayed and same with most GOP voters, the only people Trump has left is Boomercons

>>511994502 (OP)
>Vance
LOOOL. GOP is fucked. Enjoy 8 years of left wing governance pillaging the living shit of richfags including your faggy e-celebs.
The future is bright.

>>512000004
>neocon is an insult in the republican party
Rhetorically sure, but Trump still bombed Iran, held water for Israel and is stoking further tension with Russia. It's the problem with partisans and uniparty; people don't hold the same standards for the people they vote for, it's just getting the same policies wrapped in new rhetoric. Fuck Trump even scaled down ice raids when his hotel and megafarm donors started complaining.

>>512000104
I would think the fact his wife was killed is a good indication he's not gonna be allowed to run or at least win a primary. He'll at best be in the Ron Paul spot, appealing to the wonks who pay attention while everyone else in the part just coalesces around the better known normie candidate like mccain/romney/Vance. I'd vote for him but I doubt the normal base would.

>>512002025
>Bullshit, old money rules the GOP and there isn't any difference between Trump and Dubya at this point outside of retards thinking the GOP is populist. They're bigger base sellouts than even Clinton or Obama
Populists took over, and that's why the econ policy is so schizophrenic and gibsmedat-filled compared the post-Nixon GOP.

The Old Money Old Guard are now all Democrats, and the ones that worked with him last term wrote scathing memoirs about how they had to tard wrangle him. It's the party of MTG and Candace Owens now.

>>512002303
I really hope massie runs, I want to see massie lose and massie fags take the L . If he doesnt run, its still a L for massie fags

>>511995423
trust the plan, they won't get an election

>>512002392
The OBBB has funding for 10,000 more ICE agents. So deportations will be scaling up. I get this board isnt normal niggers so a lot of people dont like Trump here, but irl Trump is still really popular and those people actually vote. How many /pol/tards actually vote?

>>512000333
Based knower
>>512000484
The biggest issue with the left is Obama left them high and dry by trying to pass center policy, they know about the rigging in 2016 and they were frozen out of even having a primary in 2024. The 3rd of the party thats left of eisenhower is more likely to vote against someone then believe a Democrat will deliver anything. A candidate like Vance might have the anti trump sentiment stirred up, but I doubt it will be enough to get them to vote for newsom, whonisnt even popular in his own lipstick liberal state.

>>511996435
>I don't really think any of Trump's kids care about getting into politics,
it's his turn

>>512000518
>Maga was building before Trump
Agreed, Trump capitalized on the tea party just like a host of populists on the right did in congressional and staye races. He didn't found it, but he branded the sentiment

>>512002303
>bloompf
ok thanks for sharing

>>512002776
I have voted in every presidential and midterm election since 2004, don't project that this place is normie core while also saying it's too blackpilled to vote

>>512002843
Kushner has the personalty of a wet blanket.

>>512000333
And he's going to have "CA is a shithole" ads run against him the whole time. Someone like Beshear makes more sense tactically, because MAGA is going to seethe and not show up if a bunch ads calling Kentucky a third world shithole are run. Inasmuch as Republicans will show up for anyone that's not Trump these days.

Newsom could win if Trump continues down the way he's going with wrecking the economy to such an extent that a moldy load of bread (D) could win.

Is there no chance at all that Trump jr might run???

>Vance
>Buttitieg
>Newsom
Where the fuck is Massie/RFK? DOESNT RFK wipe his ass with all of these people if he runs.

>>512003103
I highly doubt it. Political dynasties are out of style, especially when Trump killed 3 during his time in office. Clinton, Bush, and Cheney.

>>511998965
>AOC winning the nomination

If you believe that, you're retarded. I doubt she could win a statewide Dem primary in fucking New York.

>>512003151
Ngl, I love what RFK advocates for and MAHA is great, but I can't fucking stand to hear him speak.
When Vance wins he can keep him as HHS secretary.

>>512003162
Who cares? He could bring them back in style, the people love the name Trump and jr is at least as charismatic as sr but without all the baggage.

>>512003276
>He could bring them back in style
we don't want them in style lol. anyway I just don't see Trump's kids really caring about politics in that way, maybe behind the scenes like Lara Trump and the RNC.

>>512002997
Im not saying *its* too blackpilled to vote. Im saying that some of the people who post here are too blackpilled to vote and people encourage not voting on this board. I dont think /pol/ is "normie core" .
Who's more likely to vote, someone who is on /pol/ all day or someone who listens to fox news all day?

>>511995423
>2020
>they run a man again
>they win (inb4 muh stolen)
They literally changed the voting laws. You could even vote after the election in some places.

>>511994502 (OP)
I wish for a Kamala v. DONALD rematch, with the same tickets. We had it so good during that election we took it for granted. What fun is it going to be when it is just JD against Newscum or Shapiro. At least let it be AOC

>>511996995
Shalom

>>512003434
Shapiro's problem is the Jewish thing. All the 20-something girls I know are constantly reposting Gaza stuff on IG and Tiktok. It's a real problem at least in the primaries.

>>512003069
Itd be easier for him if CA wasn't a shithole, for years, but it is and he oversaw it all. Its also not good tactically for the democrats because CA is already a lock for them because of rigging. So running newscum doesnt give them a new state. Theyll have to tell Gavin to sit down and that hes not needed.
>Republicans will show up for anyone that's not Trump these days.
There will be a lot of choices who arent Trump in 2028 because Trump wont be running.

>>512003434
KWABmala won't even run for California governor where she'd pretty much be an automatic win lol.

>>512003276
Trump being President and seeing what he's been through, may have turned some of his kids off from wanting to be the President. Don Jr has his podcast and seems like he's enjoying life and is involved in the family business like Eric is. I don't see Don Jr running for elected office or Eric

>>511994502 (OP)
I think it's going to be Vance in 2028. Short of WW3 I don't think the democrats are smart enough to run someone capable

>>512003674
They don't have anyone capable left either way.

>>512003544
>There will be a lot of choices who arent Trump in 2028 because Trump wont be running.
Trump gets out a lot of people to vote that otherwise wouldn't. It's part of how he won in 16 and 24.

I don't think anyone Republican has the charisma to mobilize the MAGA base, who are more disaffected than the standard Republican voter. A lot can change, but the GOP is speedrunning its way to Bush 07 levels of unpopularity.

>>512003525
Do you remember when a democrat consultant was on CNN before the election and explicitly said that kamala wouldnt pick him as VP because hes jewish? Kamala was getting heckled all the time with people screeching "free gaza! Genocide!" . Democrats have to placate those people

>>512003674

>>512003374
>>512003636
Hmm, valid I guess. If he really doesn't want to then I guess there's that but I think he'd have a decent chance to win if he tried. Maybe even as good a chance (or better) than Vance, depending on his pr team.

>>512003742
>Trump gets out a lot of people to vote that otherwise wouldn't
Yeah. His endorsement is powerful. If Trump endorses the republican nominee, Trump voters arent going to vote for that person? I think they will . I agree there are some people who wont vote because Trump isnt on the ballot. But those people are also not going to vote for a democrat.

>>512003674
>Short of WW3
Things might get interesting real soon

I'm voting Gavin. He's the only true choice. Gavin,/AOC 28 will sweep.

>>512003918
Wow, that's powerful. Brave even.

>>512003763
Yes, and I think that sentiment has only gotten stronger in the Democrat base, especially <40 white people. The browns and blacks have always kinda disliked the juice.

>>512003877
>Yeah. His endorsement is powerful. If Trump endorses the republican nominee, Trump voters arent going to vote for that person? I think they will . I agree there are some people who wont vote because Trump isnt on the ballot. But those people are also not going to vote for a democrat.
It can only go so far. Trump's endorsement couldn't salvage Mark Robinson going all Nigga Heil Hitler and losing what should have been an easily winnable race.

>>512003955
Thanks Fren :^)

>>512003866
They saw their dad go from someone widely loved to hated all because he ran for President and wanted to MAGA. Almost got killed for it. Betrayed by many people. Endless lawfare. Arrested. All because he ran for President and was the President. Trump even talks about this how he knew business people who told him in 2017 that they wanted to run because he did it, but those same people all told him they didnt want to do it after Trump got shot. Its not for everyone. And the Trump business empire is large. Some of them have to run it and keep it alive for the next generation. Eric is fully committed to the business. Lara is the one most involved in politics and she married into the family.

>>512004029
Just want the people of America want, a slimy neoliberal ghoul from California. And not just FROM California, but the one who has run it into the ground!

>>512004071
It's not for everyone but it certainly does have it perks. And it's a job with a lot of potential especially compared to other political offices who are figureheads more than anything, but also judged in isolation.

>>512004085
Depends. If Republicans run someone kooky, a presentable white guy with a normal looking family would demolish.

A dark horse that would probably never happen because he's capped out as a cabinet guy at this point would be Mitch Landrieu, because he's a pretty normal guy and as a Southern Democrat, he knows how to Rally the Blacks.

>>512004023
It definitely has. Their party is split over it. The democrats have super delegates. I wonder if they'll even allow an anti israel candidate to win. It'll be interesting to see. If they do 2016 level rigging of their primary they're just going to lose voters who see the bs and dont want to be part of it.
>Trump's endorsement couldn't salvage Mark Robinson going all Nigga Heil Hitler and losing what should have been an easily winnable race.
True. It does take a good candidate. Someone like Mastriano could never win even if he had 10,000 endorsements from Trump.

>>511994502 (OP)
Trump becomes a kingmaker and more influential behind the scenes just like Obama and Clinton.

>>511994502 (OP)
>kamala not even on the podium for democrats
>not even in the top 5 for president
hearty chuckle

>>512004338
For sure it has its perks. Like being able to impose your will upon the world. I think Trump likes that aspect. Especially this term he seems to grasp more that he can shape reality while he is President.

>>512004517
I agree, but in 2016 I was told Obama would be this huge king maker and presence in democrat politics because of how young he is; but he really hasn't been imo.

Probably going to be vance, though I'm not sure he's really what the country needs.
Hoping for another person like trump is a leap too far, but we need someone that's not afraid of standing up to the liberal bullshit.

Trump didn't get so many supreme court victories by playing nice, victories that prior to them any lawyer would have laughed and said there's no way these could win.

Trump is america's middle finger to democrat run cities and policies, and I'm worried his successor isn't going to measure up.

in 2028 its over, maga are trump fans, not GOP fans. I can picture a few things happening to pol, some will quit politics, others will revert to being libertarians. pol will become more diverse politically

i think in 2028 trumps endorsement is the most important thing. but it also doesnt really matter, not a lot of people are excited for vance, and who is running against vance? rubio? desantis? neocons.

once trumps gone politics goes back to normal

>>511994502 (OP)
there won’t be an election in 2028 and Trump will remain in power. I’m an independent at this point. I will support anybody willing to fully denounce israel and not take aipac or Israel lobby money that’s my only litmus test

>>512004628
Yeah but even pushing the boundaries of the office further out. Some previous presidents have acted like marionettes or lapdogs of others and some different presidents have tried to do things their way but ended up having to give in more often than not and really felt the limits of the offices. Trump of course isn't an autocrat and he, like all before him, suffers from AIPACs grip on American national politics but he manages like no one else to control national and global politics above and beyond what the office provides, especially through his media presence and his way of diplomacy. I think there are still a lot of case studies to be written about this and I also think that Jr (or Eric) have been in prime positions to witness and understand how their father does it.

also the future of the democrats lays in whoever wins the schism between the old neoliberals or the young social democrats.

>>512004859

Nope. Politics aint going back to normal for another 50 years. More young people than every are interested in politics thanks to Trump. These young people are the next generation of political figures, many of whom thought Trump is good, but only a stepping stone to actual conservatism. We're NEVER going back to neocons because neocons are literally a product of, #1, jewish interests, and #2, heavily curated information catered to boomers. Boomers are kicking the bucket, and people are REALLY waking up when it comes to jewish interests. The neocon game is over.

Now TECHNOCRACY? That's a different story. We're going to be entering that age soon IMO.

>>512004829
>Hoping for another person like trump is a leap too far, but we need someone that's not afraid of standing up to the liberal bullshit.
I think libtardery is going to come back with a vengeance after the coming recession and blowing up people's retirements for flimsy reasons.

"Who cares about women's sports and if some trailer trash want to get double masectomies, Republicans made me lose my job," is what I think the vibe is going to be.

the democrat primary is going to be pure kino.

think about it, newsome, buttgig, aoc, kamala...i also have a feeling fetterman might run.

Think of all those egos fighting each other for control of the party.

the gop primary is going to be boring, its going to be about vance and whether anyone can take him out

>>512005171
>thanks to Trump


trump is gone in 2028 and the only people on offer will be neocons like rubio and desantis

idiot canadian doesnt know shit

>>511994638
>>511994569
Are you guys fucking retarded? He wears women makeup.

>>512005320
That is why a dem should win it. Also, Trump is going to be more unpopular by that time.

>>512005139
>he manages like no one else to control national and global politics above and beyond what the office provides, especially through his media presence and his way of diplomacy. I think there are still a lot of case studies to be written about this and I also think that Jr (or Eric) have been in prime positions to witness and understand how their father does it.
True. Trump is really showing people what the President can do. Quite a difference from Biden who was a literal puppet and claimed the President had no power to seal the southern border

>>512005171
It will if Trump drops to 30 percent approval or less.

>>512005521
And liberals are insane anti-white globalists who want depopulation of the 1st world through subversion and mass illegal replacement migration.

>>512005320
Do you remember Fettermans debate against Dr. Oz? He could barely read or speak. He's made a lot of recovery from his stroke.

>>511995041
I'm not convinced Vance is calmer than Trump. He seems to have some Jeb Bush beta energy in him that makes it possible to rile him up.

>>512005757
Trump is antiwhite too. He sucks jewish cock even more and giving indians h1b1s you fucktard. Also hispanic men have given up on Trump and they did tip odds for him last election. they sure as hell aren't voting for mascara vance.

>>512005757
What has Trump done for the average white man?

>>512005782
Nah he's not a beta imo, he's just not Trump lol. Trump is a once in a generation political figure. Trying to be like him will fail completely because you'd have to try to hard to be something you're not. Vance just needs to have good policies and be chill and he'll do fine.
>>512005882
Shut up zoomer groyper this is a comfy discussion not your shitflinging nonsense. Pretty sure you have to defend the gay zoomer eceleb somewhere.

>>512005925
Not taxing tips or overtime is pretty good.

>>511994502 (OP)
>dominated decade lost to biden
magats lmao. Trump is garbage it's just because actual good people don't want to run for president because it is a shit job.

>>512003276
Don Jr is about a charismatic as a washcloth and i guarantee has hunter biden levels of baggage in his past. Ivanka would be a better candidate if not for Kuschner making her unelectable.

>>512003426
Where did they allow you to vote after the election outside of absentee ballots that have to be postmarked by election day

>>512005988
Most people don't report tips anywa and it only last for 3 years and only for first 25k. It won't do shit. Also average white male isn't in that job position. Try again. Kamala keeping medicaid and children tax credit ironically would been better for whites.

>>512003434
22nd ammendment anon, plus Trump won't be popular enough to reflect in 3 years. If he can get a favorable win in the Supreme Court to run allowing him to retire from the presidency on day 730, maybe he win the primary but you'd also be opening the door to Obama running which would be the best retarded election since the last best retarded election last year.

>>512006233
>shilling for kamala
Lol. You Lost!

>>512005925
Blow up their 401k and get them laid off as their company tries to avoid passing costs to the consumer lol.

While I'm sure there are gig workers and part-timers that appreciate the no taxes on tips, I think MAGA is losing white suburban normiecons in places like Marietta or Katy. Which matters because those people do vote, but the downtrodden part timers historically don't show up to the polls.

>>512005958
I'm a millennial and much smarter than you. Notice you can't deny overwhelming evidence of you supporting a guy defending the biggest sex trafficking of

>>512006277
No I'm just saying you voting against your economic interests.

>>512006277
Yes keep sucking jeff bezos, elon musk, peter thiel and zucks cocks you cuck faggot.

>>512005677
GOSHDARN JOE BRANDON! WORST PREZNIT IN TWO HUNNERRT YEARS!

>>512005677
Yeah exactly. The title 'president of the United States of America' carries a lot of weight with it and Trump knows exactly not just how much that it but also how to throw it around to get things done. That rare in politicians. Merkel, you might have many bad things about her and justifiably so, was of similar kind - she knew the influence that the German Bundeskanzler has in shaping European politics. We've had no European politicians since in a similar position with similar conciousness about the weight of their position, which is I believe one of the reasons why they're all so incredibly unremarkable in international politics and why no one really bats an eye at what Europe does these days. I mean, what's one (1) thing Macron did to direct international politics? No one knows....

>>512006094
>i guarantee has hunter biden levels of baggage in his past
citation needed

>>512006386
You mean Anon wasn't invited to the billionaire booth at the inauguration? Say it ain't so!

>>512006301
To be perfectly honest, the Epstein stuff has never impressed me. I don't think Trump is going to be implicated in anything serious, all the juicy stuff came out the first go round, and Epstein actually killed himself because he was a cowardly pimp.

I know it's funny to call him a pedo, and he largely brought this on himself by playing the REVELATIONS of the EPSTEIN FILES that are SO BIG you'll never BELIVE it. I don't think there's much substance there.

>>512006233
>>512006301
>>512006350
>>512006386
stop larping you fucking faggot my god

>>511994947
>Vance only really needs to keep up with deportations and destroying DEI and most Republicans would be satisfied
No, economy of still shit and getting worse.... All of the economic numbers showing economy is doing good are Jewish math and your conservative is starting to see it. In 3 years of the economy truly isn't better, than we could have deported all the spics and fired all the niggers but still lose

>>512006688
He's right you know. Bartenders, waitresses, and strippers are notorious for casually committing tax fraud with cash tips. They weren't paying that shit anyway.

>>512006499
Trump is also actively expanding the power of the Presidency via court rulings. His staff is good. Theyve really researched a lot that the President can do, but just hasnt been done recently so people thought it just wasnt possible because it hadn't happened. John Yoo is a Trump supporter and helped lay the ground work for the powerful 2nd term Trump. Trump is also a funny guy, despite all the power and gravitas he still is funny and cracks jokes. Its really something unique. I dont remember any other politicians being this funny.
Only notable thing about Macron in international politics was trying to broker peace between russia and ukraine at a time when some European leaders, and biden, were unwilling to talk to Putin. He wasnt successful, but at least he tried. I appreciated him trying to resolve the conflict and not just the standard "reeeeeee Putler" response that is not conducive to diplomacy

>>512006778
>implying I read any of it
Voting for Kamala disqualifies you from political discussion. They can discuss anything they want, no one will stop them, doesn't mean I have to take it seriously.

>>512006778
A lot of places are mostly credit card sales and you cant hide those tips. Paying cash is less common now

>>512006350
>>512006386
So you vote democrat, right?
Youre seething hard. Because you lost

>>512005988
Fair but the layoffs couple with the h1bs and the student deal with China cancel it out for me

>>512007000
Losing the popular vote really demoralized the left more than losing the election itself.

>>511994502 (OP)
cap this. trump gets a 4rd term when we go to war with israel in 2027

>>512006967
Fair point.

>>512007000
It's very disappointing seeing the Anglosphere cozy up to India. Much like Obama said of Biden, never underestimate their ability to fuck things up.

I'm a bit of a Sinophile, to lay my cards on the table, and I think trading a friendly relationship with China for India is going to bite the US in the ass. I can't believe Trump lost 20 years of goodwill in Southeast Asia with the stroke of a pen, in addition to burning all the American companies that spent billions in capex and years between 2016 and 2024 relocating supply chains to Vietnam and Thailand.

>>511994502 (OP)

Whats going on here, is this bitch really that famous

>>512007592
It's more about the left having absolutely no one.

>>512001839
Woildn't put too much stock in thay tbqh, GOP base is full of cultists that love sucking off their own guys, Dems hate their politicians but they're still gonna crawl over broken glass to vote against the GOP, especially after current trump admin.

>>512005782
The thing I like most about JD Vance is that none of the left's mockery work, with him taking it in stride and even embracing the JD Vance weird face meme.

>>511994502 (OP)
Vance Pres Trump VP ticket.

>>512005882
>drumpf's actually worse for whites!
no one listens to your insane wignat commies here. why do you even bother? Absolutely no one buys your lies.

>>512007939
I think his chances are entwined with Trump's economy. If it's good, his loyal janny work will be rewarded. If it fails, I don't think he can wiggle his way out - like how he transitioned from being a NeverTrumper to VP and his #1 guy.

>>511994569

>>512007939
He's genuinely too articulate for that kind of shit to work on him. It works on Trump though lol, he's a bit retarded but he's our based retard.
>>512007881
>u r in le CULT
yea yea yea you've been at this for a decade now. in the decade you've lost the culture war and your policies are discredited.

>>511998621
nic the spic is not coming back from this. too blunt, too truthful

>>512005925
An end to dei, open borders, political persecution, less socialism and wealth distribution from whites to browns. Less feminism and less institutional misandry. Leftist commies are being prosecuted finally. All-white communities are being founded, which wouldn't be possible under leftist leadership in washington.

>>512006900
It's double edged to increase the formal powers because you can't guarantee that someone who's vision you like gets to hold the office after you - except in this case since Vance is incredibly likely to win the next presidency should he compete for it. And yeah, Trump is funny, he's super casual in front of a crowd or cameras - he's done it all his life after all. As to Macron, I didn't even know he did that. All I hear coming out of France is the exact same unisono reeeee Putler that you hear basically everywhere in Europe. If Macron really thinks differently then he should find better ways to make that opinion count, he's the elected French president after all - who cares if the French public cries one thing, they voted for him back then to lead and not to be a flag in the wind (does this metaphor exist in English aswell?). Trump knows what that means, he isn't scared to act how he sees best even if the larger part of the public disagrees. It shows strength of character and when it works what he does - and it often does - then it proves he's smarter than the hivemind.

>>511998915
trump being buddies with a notorious child sex ring leader for decades is not disturbing to you?

>>512005882
>mascara vance
Who gives a shit? Better that than the globo-homo marxism that you represent.

>>511999242
never underestimate the ability of the dems to kill populism. But times are changing

>>512008193
check the catalog, they lost and their psyop is destroyed. they got BOWTIED

>>511998994
>EXACTLY, all Massie would need to do is talk about Vance's connection to Palantir and hes fucked. All roads lead to Damassie
What's so disqualifying about Palantir compared to any other Big Tech or defence background? I can't imagine ties to General Dynamics or Raytheon sinking a candidate. I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I don't think the conspiratorial dipshit bloc is that powerful.

>>512005925
Who do you think you're kidding? You're an enemy of whites. You'd like to see us all in camps, democrat.

>future of the Gay Old Pedophiles

>>511996353
Kamala was a moderate democrat. Democrats keep losing because they cast aside the radical ones their party actually wants like Bernie.

>>512006301
>much smarter than you.
In reality, leftypol, you're just another drooling 80 iq commie animal.
>>512006350
>typical leftist nonsense
What a surprise. I could smell your sociopathy from the start, leftypol shitstain. Retard, it's not in whites' interest to give all their money to hostile foreigners. Also, socialism makes everyone poorer and even more indebted. Just look at europe.

>>512008281
>never underestimate the ability of the dems to kill populism. But times are changing
And thank god for that. You have to be Argentina-tier fucked up for populism to be an improvement. I actually don't want the voice of Lillith the tranny that works at Circle K to be taken seriously.

>>511994502 (OP)
It's over. Trump, the king of America rides off into the sunset and things go back to being gay & annoying.

>>512006386
>it's another leftypol subhuman calls others faggot edition
You retards crack me up.

>>512002649
enjoy your 666 bill

>>512008444
>and things go back to being gay & annoying.
checked and I fear this. politics won't be kino anymore.

>>511994502 (OP)
It’s Vance’s nomination to lose. He’d have to fuck up a pretty easy lay up to at least win the nomination. Winning the general may be harder, but depending on his opponent that could be easy too. I imagine Rubio will run, but concede to Vance unless he puts on a surprising debate performance or some kind of rift happens between Vance and Trump and Rubio somehow becomes the favorite son. Don Jr. just doesn’t have it, he’s not his dad, he can’t pretend to be his dad, it won’t work. DeSantis already fucked himself by primarying against Trump and he’s more or less slid into the political background. His peak was during Covid but everyone will have forgot about that by 2028. There’s always a potential dark horse candidate like Massey or Paul, but it’ll more than likely be Vance. Dems would be stupid not to try Newsom, he’s the most agreeable to everyone in the party and within the general electorate. AOC is too young, too dumb, and too polarizing to stand a chance. Buttigieg is a decent campaigner but his record is dogshit, his only job in the Biden admin was to get electric vehicle charging stations built and he completely fucked it up. Kamala won’t run, her pride is too wounded and there will be enough intelligent people in her circle to tell her she’s done. She’s not as arrogant as Hillary.

theyll run on hating trump for the 5th time in a row (2008-2024) and lose

>>511996353
08 Obama said he was going to build a barrier on the southern border and opposed gay marriage. There is no pro deportation and anti fag democrat anymore. People with those policies are republicans now. Democrats are the party of fags and trannies and open borders.

>>511998510
I'm okay with Massive but he's going to get the Ron Paul 2012 treatment. I just hope the country burns

>>512002843
>Russian
>Jew
No chance.

>>512008708
No, Massie would get the 2016 Rand Paul treatment.
>>512008637
>I imagine Rubio will run,
I don't know about this. It'd be a bad look if Trump endorses Vance and someone else from the administration runs too. I think Rubio could be his VP honestly.
>DeSantis already fucked himself by primarying against Trump
I always try to bring this up to remind people. One of the worst political decisions I've ever seen and just implied he got paid to do it. I've noticed a lot of people have already forgotten about that but I don't htink I could vote for him even though his policies are ok.

>>511997308
>AOC vs MTG
>MTG
Really? You want This as your president?

>>512008910
I would have sex with MTG, but I wouldn't tell people about it.

>>512008225
It is a double edged sword but I think its worth it to go for it and just plan to keep winning. To not do so is a losing mentality and resignation. If republicans can keep winning, the country can actually be turned around.
>didn't even know he did that
It was in 2022 iirc. I remember some of the lugenpresse seething at the time about how he was betraying Ukraine and Europe by trying to make peace. He made some comment about how France has le history of le diplomacy so he had to try and le historical ties between France and Russia. Its sad he had to justify it like that and was attacked for his attempts.
>flag in the wind (does this metaphor exist in English aswell?)
Yes it does. I understand what you mean. People will also say "bends with the wind" to describe someone who goes along with the herd
>Trump knows what that means, he isn't scared to act how he sees best even if the larger part of the public disagrees. It shows strength of character and when it works what he does - and it often does - then it proves he's smarter than the hivemind.
Yep. I trust him. He's smart and knows what he's doing. He's right more often than he's wrong and all the doom sayers have gotten btfo repeatedly. The sky didnt fall

>>512008637
I agree. Vance is basically the only frontrunner that's not tainted by sweeping it up for Bush or Tea Party cringe. DeSantis just ran a terrible campaign staffed by spiteful dipshits. Good governor though. Hope he doesn't bring the Prop 13 from the handbook of disastrous Republican policies to Florida; fuck them boomers.

I just think Trump's idiosyncracies about trade and diplomacy are going to have such bad outcomes that no Republican can win in 28. Unfortunately, so many Republicans who don't live around Trump voters get their information from Twitter - where Bay Area software engineers whisper in their ears that Trump voters are salt of the earth losers that will literally inject fentanyl if the country is not turned into a captive market for Ohioan sweatshops. That's just not the case, and catering policy around this nonsense is both bad and bad politics.

>>512008831
I dont think Trump will endorse anyone until the end and will just let the primary process play out so the party ends up with a strong candidate and then Trump helps get them across the finish line. He doesnt need to put his thumb on the scale and prejudice the primary process. I think Vance or Rubio could win the general election
>desantoid
Running against Trump was dumb, but whatever. He's done alright as governor and been helpful to the Trump administration. I wouldnt vote for him in a primary because of his disloyalty to Trump

>>512008910
I would be okay with it if it's a fake election that's a part of WWE storyline or something. We absolutely need to get hysterical broads out of politics.

>>512008967
Yeah you would

>>511994638
Rubio perhaps.
>>512005521
People who use this kind of female plebbit logic don't vote in the GOP primaries.

>>512008644
>dems ran on hating Trump in 2008 and 2012
Holy zoomie

>>512009241
I think he should endorse someone early actually, keeps the infighting down and exposes the people who were just paid off or there to launder money.
>his disloyalty to Trump
It's less about disloyalty for me, it's just the clear implication he was there to just cause a scene and paid to do it. It was so obvious Trump was running again and going to win, all the others like fucking chris christie were there just to launder money and cause trouble. when desantis joined the race he implicitly joined that group of people.

>>512009241
>I dont think Trump will endorse anyone until the end and will just let the primary process play out so the party ends up with a strong candidate and then Trump helps get them across the finish line.
Correct

>>511994569

This

>>512009461
yeah 2008 was hating bush and loving niggers

>>512009525
The infighting is healthy imo. Advances the dialectic. Its how a more robust candidate emerges. Wheat from the chaff.

>>511994569
I’m voting for Vivek!

>>512009804
The infighting can happen between the paid off, money laundering retards and the actual candidate. Actual candidates infighting isn't ideal. I wouldn't want Rubio and Vance for example to have a falling out. I think Vance (or Rubio if he won) should continue most of this current cabinet and administration.
I've been thinking who Vance's VP would be and I like Rubio for it now because he's gotten a lot of diplomatic experience in this administration and I think he'd be useful as VP.

>>511994638
Vance is a Techbros minion. I’m not voting for him.

>>512008831
Rubio has the appeal of being a bridge gapper between the old Bush era Neo-Cons and the Trump era populists. He seems extremely sober, tame, and is essentially out of the meme culture altogether. For those who may be exhausted from populism, but who want to vote right wing Rubio is the best bet. He'd get good backing from party old guard too, it's just a question of would he actually run against Vance? That fight would get too dirty too fast for either of them to come out unscathed. It might be dirty enough to lose them the general as they each have to either arm up as the more pro trump or the less pro trump and depending on how Trump ends his term that could lead to either of them losing.
>>512009082
DeSantis is a good governor, but I think he's just a really bad politician. He's not charismatic, he comes off as forced, awkward, and fake in most of his public appearances. He also fumbled to ball really hard running against Trump in the primary. That had to have caused bad blood between Trump's team and DeSantis's team, and there's no way the Trump team will forgive DeSantis for that. Especially if he was just paid to do it.

>>512005677
Trump is the only American president who’s weaponized the American market through tariffs to get what he wants, not just militarily. This’ll set an example for future American presidents who’ll use that as leverage too. The fear that the USA will be isolated because it put up trade barriers is retarded and comes from being used to the status quo, and only China and Canada (lmao) have retaliated. There’s no going back from this.

>>512009053
>To not do so is a losing mentality and resignation.
Yeah exactly. You have to be daring to get ahead and damn Trump is daring, Putin too but that's about it.
>It was in 2022 iirc. I remember some of the lugenpresse seething at the time about how he was betraying Ukraine and Europe by trying to make peace.
I think I remember, he had some really long phone calls with Putin right and the few fence sitters in Germany kept iterating how it was the US and UK that guaranteed the borders of the Ukraine and how evil Russia broke that souverinity bla bla bla but for the sake of peace bla bla bla it was really tedious because it was obvious that none of them cared about any of that and what they really wanted to say 'we would love to continue virtue signalling to the Ukraine until the last Ukrainian falls but also if we could get back to getting dirt cheap gas asap that would be nice...".
>People will also say "bends with the wind" to describe someone who goes along with the herd
Yeah exactly.
>He's right more often than he's wrong and all the doom sayers have gotten btfo repeatedly. The sky didnt fall
Sorry man I think you're very observant, rather smart and well-informed in regards to politics (probably more observant and a lot better informed than me) but here I disagree. I think as long as the kikes are calling the shots the future still spells doom. I don't believe 'zion Don' does Trump justice but there's also some truth to the name - he tries his best but he's not free of jewish influence and has to play along to their game a lot. Granted, a lot less than many of his predecessors, especially Biden, but still a lot. Well, you have to start somewhere I guess and Rome wasn't built in one day either, but I can't fault the doubters for doubting. Things are far from looking optimal.

>>512009907
Vivek might be the single worst person to join politics in recent memory. His company that he made millions off of for himself and his family was a complete and total scam. And now he's just running a political scam by trying to get as much air time as he can to shill his awfully written books. Plus he's completely pro foreign hordes and believes that Americans should become more like Chinese bug men in order to compete. Technocrats are increasingly revealing themselves to just be the worst people imaginable.

>>512009980
>Rubio has the appeal of being a bridge gapper between the old Bush era Neo-Cons and the Trump era populists
And that's my concern with him. I'd rather have Vance who is a millennial and has more nationalist and populist views. Rubio has been very impressive in this administration though.

I won't vote for a dem until they stop hating white people.

>>512010272
Their entire agenda is anti-white and against the 1st world. They would have to completely change everything they believe to achieve your requirement.
Check back in about two election cycles lmfao

>>512010176
Yeah I'm holding my breath with both. Rubio seems to be splitting from his old ties and proving himself loyal to the new conservative direction which is good, but he was one of the bright stars of the old guard that was meant to be their darling, it's hard to imagine he wouldn't cater to that. Vance on the other hand, I'm just worried that he's not his own man. The technocrats are a frankly insane inhuman bunch at times. Their collective goals seem to be to push further towards technocratic feudalism and essentially destroy any and all sense of privacy, free speech and expression by proxy by a mass system of data sharing, gathering, and locking people out of the markets they own. Vance is too cushy with those people for me to be comfortable, and every good thing he's said could be a long con where he just concedes the presidency to the technocrats who just want to create a privatized social credit system for their own benefit. I want to hope that isn't true of Vance, but for how young he is, his star ascended really fast, suspiciously so, and we know he has ties to all of the morally dubious techno-cons.

>>512010080
I meant more the people who have said Trump will start ww3 and crash the economy, who have been saying that non stop since he won in 2016 and have been continually wrong about that.

>>512010060
Trump proved the "experts" wrong again. Canada exposed themselves as a hostile power and ccp pawn. They will get raked. Even Biden didnt roll back some of the tariffs on china from Trump's 1st term. Trump changed the game. I wasnt expecting this level of aggression and treachery from the leafs, but so be it. Rake Rake Rake

>>511994502 (OP)
I am so embarrassed
I'm surrounded by pedos and retards
It sucks

>>512010575
What a retarded play by Canada. Why go to bed with the Chinese? When has that ever worked out? And go to bed with China against the interest of the United States, you know, your fucking enormous neighbor who's responsible for almost all of your fucking trade and is also essentially your defense system too. Something is rotten in the state of Canada, only explanation is that their MPs were just straight up bought.

>>512010483
Yeah I see but dunking on those is low hanging fruit. Not crashing the economy nor starting global war are the bare minima one can expect of a president and even some complete tools and puppets managed to clear that hurdle. Trump is barely getting a hold of the immigration situation - he's having a hard time streering the demographic change of America in a reasonable direction all together and so far he's been powerless against the federal reserve and their shenanigans e.g. the ever increasing national debt. Trump is doing a lot but there's still loads more to be done.

>>512010900
They are comped extremely hard. Did you know they've been training PLA soldiers in winter warfare in canada? Canadian military training PLA soldiers. Its not a good situation. Red diaper babies like Trudeau will also pick the ccp against America for ideological reasons, because they want global communism. Same with democrats here like Tim Walz. Who is both comped by the chinese and also an ideological commie. Or Diane Feinstein or other California democrats like Swalwell or Newscum. Canada is completely comped and is also becoming a narco state.
Its best to solve the Canadian problem sooner than later because they will eventually end up being a forward operating base for the PLA on their current trajectory

>>512011157
What's the end goal? Who got comped and why? Why would Canada even align with the communists? Yeah I get that Hongcouver is just a Chinese satellite but surely they can't be that powerful in Canada? Also I understand yeah har har socialist medicine=communism. But the UK isn't getting in bed with China over the US nor is Norway/Sweden/Finland etc. Why trust China at all? They're probably one of the worst powers to be allied with since they're just flagrantly not interested in your welfare as a nation and just resource absorb and cheap good dump.

>>511994569
imagine browsing /pol/ and coming to the conclusion you need to vote topkek

Trump will run in 2028 and civil war will break out

>>512011539
Justin is comped. A leaf could probably tell you better more specifically. It was a leaf on here who told me about the PLA troops being trained in canada and posted a lot of photos of Canadian troops with PLA troops in Canada. Really disturbing. I wasn't aware of PLA troops in Canada before
Not sure why anyone who isnt a commie trusts China. Comped I guess. Theyll sell out their country for some cash now.

"Vance" would be an incredibly weak candidate if pitted against a more populist Dem, which is what it's shaping up to be as Dems undergo a Tea Party-style transformation. He is too awkward, too autistic, too gay, and crucially too much of a phony. Thiel's personal fleshlight, has had more names than a tranny, at least three different religious affiliations just to advance his career (his own words), etc.

>>511994502 (OP)
Democrats take control and probably put MAGAtards in reeducation gulags for speech crimes and heresy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH3SgIY7S5A