>>512040773 (OP)
So you're saying people who work don't receive government handouts or housing?

>>512040773 (OP)
Tim hortons pays a jeet $15 per hour

$5 of that comes from tax payer money

Also the jeet is collecting benefits and support

>>512040773 (OP)
I don't think you understand Schrodinger's principle

>>512040945
no you guys say that immigrants take all the jobs while also leeching on welfare both cant be true at the same time
>>512040957
>canadian gov pays part of the wages of intl students
that was debunked

>>512041191
What is Schrodinger's take on the Epstein files?
They exist, but they dont.
If they did, they were altered?
They were on bondis desk but then they didnt exist?
They should just release the list dont you think?

>>512041218
If they are paid under the table they are not contributing to tax funded programs
Unpaid maternity bills is something like $100 million a year for illegal aliens in California alone, remittances to Mexico at its current rate is 1 trillion USD every 10 years, that’s just Mexico

I could likely bury you in statistics that don’t do you any favors

>>512041218
>both cant be true at the same time
Explain government fraud then?
If a person is working and claiming benefits what do you call that?

Also, does this logic apply to people like Elon Musk? Receiving government handouts and contracts while destroying local jobs?

>>512040773 (OP)
Go to any supermarket and watch endless streams of beaners with EBT cards carrying 3-4 midget babies along with them. They all work under the table for cash, don't pay taxes and claim benefits

>>512040773 (OP)
It doesn't. It's the opinion of neoliberal politicians who love making people argue while heading for their policies.
>guys, look, we HAVE to attack Iraq and Libya. They're threatening you/deserve it for being Muslim
>guys, look, there are Iraqi, Kurd and Libyan refugees! We have to stop/look after them!
>guys, look, we need to make spending cuts, somehow there being a few percent more claimants has tipped up over massively!
>nothing to do with the wars, btw, you antisemite!

You can also apply this to immigration from Europe. The movement of people, due to our military and economic force, is not their fault. It's the fault of neoliberal politicians. The only reason we can't be comfortable in our own countries is because these politicians need to wealth transfer to the ruling class - people with PPE who cannot otherwise make money and enjoy an upper class lifestyle.

The minute you make this about Tomas or Abdul - and let's be extremely cautious and say that half of them are going to gangrape and murder you - you lose sight of the primary cause, that these people are not spontaneously deciding to move here. Nobody does. They are pushed here, as has always been the case in history. Not just NATO or the US and its allies militarily, the EU's economic policies alone have caused massive movements of peoples.

If you are serious about fixing this, you start with your politicians, and you look past the woke/antiwoke framing of neoliberals.

>It has to be one or the other, my mind can't comprehend that it's both at the same time!

>>512041218
No it's easily verifiable, that is why they are hired over locals. Nigger you aren't even from here.

>>512040773 (OP)
Pilpul

>>512041294
>What is Schrodinger's take on the Epstein files?

That releasing the files will both help and hurt the blackmail operation until we open the files

>>512040773 (OP)
Either way, they shouldn't get welfare and they shouldn't be coming into the country unvetted.

>>512041427
You don't have to work under the table to receive government welfare. The government gives people who are working legally money and housing all the time.

So OP's argument doesn't make sense.

>>512041572
>help victims
All for it
>hurt blackmail operator
All for it
RELEASE THE FILES!

>>512040773 (OP)
900k foreigners, some will be employable, educated and take jobs then a bunch will leach benefits, really not that fucking hard to understand.

It's not one fucking immigrant.

>>512040773 (OP)
There's more than one.
Does it make sense now?

>>512040773 (OP)
more people = more strain on all strata of society, except the elite of course
so even though your gay little picture sounds like a Gotcha oxymoron, it really isn't. Immigrants can put strain on working class wages and social services simultaneously.
nigger

>>512041427
I went to Social security office to get a copy of my SS card and while I was there I saw three different women signing up for disability because their daughters were ‘autistic’ or had anxiety

One of the groups was two girls in their twenties and they kept trying to look over my shoulder at my paperwork and one of the ladies working the booth told them to mind their business or they’ll have security escort them out, made a big scene of it

Thing is they were all perfectly fine, gossiping on their phones being teenage girls, the mother daughter couples the same. we (USA) pay for so many people to do absolutely nothing and it’s not just the beaners, that was what exposed me to it

Sure don’t see threads about them but my only time there and that’s what was happening. It’s been several years since that day and I can picture those dumb bitches being ardent democrats not because of any ideology but because they get monthly checks to do absolutely fucking nothing

>>512040773 (OP)
making 10/hour with 10 kids all on welfare and food stamps and we have to pay for their education too even though it's a complete waste you stupid nigger.

>>512041740
No the ones working legally WILL receive government welfare via housing and rent supplement.

OP just hasn't thought this through.

>>512040773 (OP)
>make $3 an hour picking fruit
>get gubmint gibs because you make so little
Simple as that. If an American citizen has the job, they're paid a fair wage and the government taxes them and the employer, and even if they need assistance, it's not as much as an illegal immigrant.
Oversimplification of the problem doesn't make it go away.

>>512040773 (OP)

>>512041843
yeah i know there are women in my family who are on "anxiety" disability

>>512041887
distant cousins, i should add, not close

>>512040773 (OP)
Businesses get gibs fresh from the currency printer to hire them and give them currency, it doesn't matter if they do nothing all day.
They can't print physical silver, so stack it to break the printer.

>>512041360
>I can bury u in fake statistics
don't waste our time
>>512041367
you can't work and claim benefits at the same time they check for that and immigrants dont even have connections when they come here so HOW will they work
>>512041427
nope
>>512041548
No it's not verifiable they debunked it the gov is not subsidizing intl student wages

>>512040773 (OP)
Are you fucking retarded? They take the jobs by undercutting on wages, and the government makes up the difference through handouts. Fucking idiot nigger loser. Kill yourself

>>512040773 (OP)
I didn't realize we were all focused on juan guy

>>512041548
>>512041504
Not him, but why do people talk about it in glittering generalities, like they apply it to everyone?

His point is that stereotypes are retarded and racism leads to false generalisations that don't help anyone. It is not his fault he is a commie sperg who can't talk like us normies. But it is a good point.

If anything, it's counterproductive to solving these problems to think in generalisations.
Thank you.

>>512041947
>they check for that
You are a fucking idiot, seriously. The government subsidizes their rent, food, and healthcare.

I've never heard anyone say spic immigrants are taking jobs. Just that they smell like shit, leech off the government, can't get McDonald's orders right, drive like retards, rape, steal, and murder.

>>512041947
>remittances and unpaid maternity bills are made up
Okay dumbass whatever you say

>>512040773 (OP)
>Communist supporting union busting and undercutting wages
Some take disproportionate welfare PER CAPITA and some take jobs, depressing wages, not paying taxes to the state which btw communists support the state, they raise medical costs and housing for everyone
They also bring drugs and rape

Op in foto

>>512042031
>His point is that stereotypes are retarded and racism leads to false generalisations
No, this wasn’t his point at all and you are clearly indian.

>>512040773 (OP)
They work under the table because they are illegal. Because they don't have reportable income, they get welfare. Really hard to understand?
>>512041947
How do you think they get here? The cartels and coyotes that bring them are connections. The current illegals, are connections.
You're clearly arguing in bad faith.

>>512042031
No thinking in generalizations would solve these problems. As in, get rid of all the brown people in the UK

>>512040773 (OP)
Getting paid under the table while still collecting welfare

>>512040773 (OP)
Immigrants will work for peanuts compared to native population, depressing wages and fucking things up for everyone except the few business owners. Negative population growth would unironically be good for workers in western countries, but the owning class decided to favor their profits over their own countries.

>>512042179
No see OP thinks they can check this on people without SSNs (lol)

>>512041947
>you can't work and claim benefits at the same
Government rent supplement, government medical system, food stamps, low-income supplement, single-parent income, disability income, educational income, childcare supplement, electricity supplement, etc isn't "benefits"???

>>512040773 (OP)
>commie flag
Nothing can make sense to you; you have a diseased mind.
Also you smell lmao

>>512040773 (OP)
Las gorditas mamasitas lazily collect all the welfare while Los hombres take all the jobs, but you're a nonbinary trannyfaggot pansexual niggerjewcuck so I can't understand it for you I can only explain it to you.

>>512042043
Yes they do do you not know there is a whole process to applying for welfare idiot
>>512042097
hahahaha you are just making claims and inventing numbers none of what you say is true,
>>512041950
No they dont they work hard its mainly whites on welfare and trump made a lot of cuts so immigrants have a harder time, getting social assistance so your claim that the government makes up the difference is bogus

>>512040773 (OP)
Being able to sustain themself from welfare, allows them to steal jobs working for below the minimum wage, and pay zero taxes. Plus their relatives they drag after themself all collect welfare as well. Net loss for the country, and it's citizens, while only the greedy jew employers, and the greedy jew landlords earn any profit out of it, aside of the illegals themself.

>>512042290
Also work is tracked through a social security number. Benefits are not. If you are an illegal, you don’t have a social security number

>>512042233
OP has never worked an construction job it seems

>>512041572
This, im convinced even if every single person on the list ends up being those who rule over us (which it will) most retards will just pog face and go "I knew ____ was on there all along!" and do nothing...BEHEAD ALL JEW ZOG-PUPPETS

>>512040773 (OP)
Just by existing they are suppressing wages and competing with me on the job market.

>>512040773 (OP)
There are tens of millions of them. Statistically it would be strange if they weren’t doing both simultaneously

>>512041947
>and immigrants dont even have connections when they come
2 seconds in google debunks your immense dishonesty.

>>512040773 (OP)
are you clinically retarded? there is no controversy here
there ~30 millions of illegals in US and god know how many in Europe

>>512041843
Factoring in the illegals, only half of US adults work officially and pay into taxes.

Lots of them take jobs, lots of them take welfare.

All of them steal housing.

None of this is good.

White people who have built half of the planet don't need 3rd worlders for any reason.

>>512040773 (OP)
illegal immigration is a tool of international capital. never use that flag ever again, you disgusting kike

They work under the table (cash) and collect welfare

>>512041218
So you're admitting you're a fucking retarded memeflaggot double nigger who should kill himself? That's weird, but okay.

>>512042373
>If you are an illegal, you don’t have a social security number
They claim asylum then receive benefits

OP is a retard. Immigrants come here legally and illegally to receive benefits and jobs at the same time but he's saying it's not true.

How else can a shitskin working minimum wage sustain himself in an overpriced city?
Does he think immigration is paying bills without the government welfare.

>>512040773 (OP)
Illegals can't generally apply for welfare but it's a well known fact sanctuary states spend millions on housing for migrants.

Those that aren't in state housing are packed like sardines into apartments owned by construction companies.

>>512041947
>please don't bury me with statistics my brain is too ridden with syphilis to understand and i might cry
So you really are a doublenigger memeflaggot who should kill himself. Neat.

>>512042325
Hahaha you're just another disingenuous memeflaggot who MUST kill himself right now, and live stream it.

>>512042355
>>512042398
>>512042404
>>512042492
>>512042522
Trump made it harder for illegals to get social assistance or work and now you guys are still saying they mooch off the system??? In reality they dont do both, you cant apply for social assistance when you have a job you fucking morons. god you guys are so stupid and to just think you all know about economics when you dont even know, the situation of immigrants

>>512040773 (OP)
There's enough of them that they can occupy both roles.

>>512041843
>I can picture those dumb bitches being ardent democrats not because of any ideology but because they get monthly checks to do absolutely fucking nothing
This. When I was in my "debate everyone" phase, this is why 70% of people either avoided talking to me or presented arguments that sounded like crying. They really believe they can live for free. You can tell they've never been hit in their lives.

>>512042830
>Illegals can't generally apply for welfare

>>512040773 (OP)
Stupid pic. Wait? Come to think of it, it really IS a good example of how RACIST democrats can be and not even realize it at all. They are saying that ALL immigrants are alike. The bigotry of low expectations, you faggot, bigot!

Any sane person, regardless of IQ, will look for a job that pays more, especially if they’re living in extreme poverty. So who’s really to blame here? The companies and businesses that hire them. Punish them for hiring low skilled labor and the problem goes away. But just remember the capitalistic system is working as intended.

>>512040773 (OP)
They do both.
50% working, 50% leaching. hypothetical.
An individual Corporation benefits from the increased supply of labor, which is why they are in favor of mass migration. Explicitly en-masse, since 1 immigrant does not correspond to 1 worker.
One worker might only take away a half job, but two take away the full job of a native.

On a societal scale they are still a net drain. They only profit the individual corporations.

Mass migration is basically a more complex scheme for cross subsidizing corpos to the detriment of the average joe native.

>>512040773 (OP)
Import 10 million people

>omg they have taken the 3million surpluss jobs
>welfare cant handle the extra 7 million people

the meme is stale and boreing and old and it only works because its stupid it baits people because you have to be stupid to think like this

so you see it and become enraged at the stupidity

its the same with atheism quotes

its high level trolling kek but its just not at all funny atleast make it funny


Immigrant's are not the problem
however the country cannot sustain this level of immigration
(any country)

immigrants are good people
the leadership caste importing them are well their are no word's for it really hopefully they are misguided

>>512040773 (OP)
We should have putin send over 15 million russian male immigrants ages 18-25 and then also pay each of them a living wage and provide them housing. If you don't agree with this, its because you're racist. Simple as.

>>512042106
Seems to be a perfectly reasonable interpretation to me.

At any rate that's my opinion, I think it's reasonable, and you are clearly trying to get a rise.

>>512042175
1. Define 'brown'. Does that include Catholic Hispanics, be they from Mexico or Spain and Portugal? Just Indians and Pakistanis, or does that include peopel like Azerbaijanis who are European?

2. Do you mean Muslims? Because you get white Muslims in Europe.

3. That will invariably include brown people in your town you know and have associated with. Now try that in America: Enjoy your privacy and protest rights being taken away when ICE swoop in with their guns and surveillance. I know that most people within the border areas of Texas live under the thumb of constant warrantless surveillance.

You live under the thumb of the authorities too, if they wish. Ergo, you have to be careful about what your authorities, your tax paid civil servants, do, and how they do it.

'Deport all the browns' is literally the opposite of that.
Hamfisted demands for policy = hamfisted government. Do you really want that? When, presumably as a fellow /pol/tard, you share the opinion that Governments can be full of idiots?

Again compassion leads to discretion, and is therefore key. It's common sense.

>>512042175

>>512042959
>you cant apply for social assistance when you have a job
Why do you keep lying?
https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-processes-and-procedures/public-charge/public-charge-resources

>>512040773 (OP)
The government gives welfare to corporations if the corporation hires immigrants. You only pretend to not understand it because your worldview and personal identity depend on you not understanding it.

By restricting immigration, the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it scarce resulting in inflated labor costs.

Anti-immigration is anti-free market. If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're literally a communist.

>>512040773 (OP)
schrodinger's policy maker

>import millions of people to increase growth
>borrow against the imported people
>growth plumets to all time lows
>society collapses almost uniformly
>introduce tyranical laws to "protect" the imported people's


really gets the noggin joggin

>>512042031
Stereotypes is just another word for statistics

>>512043338
No I know for a fact this is a lie, you cant get social assistance when you are working its ONE or the other. and trump made it harder for immigrants to come here and build their lives and you idiots still complain they are taking all the jobs you fucking dipshits
>>512043449
no it doesnt that has never been proven

>>512040773 (OP)
>does the job absurdly lazy and shitty way (((for some fucking reason)))
>doesn't need to pay most of the taxes (((for some fucking reason)))
>and gets all the benefits natives cannot get (((for some fucking reason)))
>some banking clan also pays corpos to fill a quota (((for some fucking reason)))

>Immigrants is one person.
Anybody who effort posts at this shit deserves to be publicly spayed or neutered.

>>512040773 (OP)
>Shitskin invaders are one person
Some steal welfare some take jobs from Whites. It's not hard stupid fucking commie retard.

>>512040773 (OP)
>they werent doing both at the same time

>>512040773 (OP)
Wait, there's more than one spic?
And multiple spics can lead to a variety of problems? They're not all just pulling the exact same scam?
Someone alert OP.

>>512040773 (OP)
Takes welfare and works without paying taxes off the books. Next.

>>512043586


This guy is officially trolling. He's not serious.
>No I know for a fact this is a lie, you cant get social assistance when you are working its ONE or the other

>>512043061
California is an anomaly even for libtard states

>>512043586
As I said, your worldview and personal identity depend on you thinking that it's not true, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

>>512040773 (OP)
When there’s 20-40 million of them its easy to do both.

>>512043493
Bingo. But their world view falls apart if they have to go against the capitalistic machine. They’re too dumb to realize they’re ideology is complacent in keeping the status quo going. All of the jobs in tech being sent overseas is exactly by design of the inherent system. But it’s easier to blame brown people.

>>512042726
This, but they don't work under the table for cash, instead they drive down the market clearing wage rate, thus becoming eligible for assistance as well as forcing native-born workers into poverty and dependence. Welfare usually has a work requirement, negating fag OP's false dichotomy. According to the GAO*:
>70 percent of adult wage earners in both [welfare] programs worked full-time hours (i.e., 35 hours or more) on a weekly basis.

In general, food assistance and supplemental health insurance require workforce participation, though the standards are less restrictive for single mothers, and the benefits more generous for households with greater numbers of dependent children.

Never forget every pro-illegal or even pro-immigration argument is constructed from easily-disproved and absolute bullshit lies undermined by the establishment's own information.

>*https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-45

>>512040773 (OP)

EITHER IS BAD.
FUCK OFF

>>512040773 (OP)
>work under the table
>collect welfare
Are you dumb?

>>512042959
>le drumpf
By existing they are adding supply to the job market. It is in the workers self-interest to limit the supply of labour as much as possible (so that he can get better wages).

>>512044125
shut up u dont even know what u are talking about
>>512044135
but they arent doing both you tard
>>512043863
holy shit this isnt happening yet you guys have repeated this dozens of times now what is wrong with you? pretty much every country wont allow an immigrant to take welfare and work, especially the tightened american system under trump
just face it you guys are using immigrants as scapegoats they arent taking your jobs or bankrupting countries through social assistance

>>512044531
wow thanks for missing the point IDIOT. trump made it much harder for immigrants to get social assistance or find jobs so for you guys to say they are doing either or BOTH is totally laughable you fucking uninformed stupid dipshits

>>512044632
So you are just baiting, ok.

>>512041218
That wasn't debunked. It was just local governments funding it but the federal government mandating it.
That's a false debunk

They work under the table and receive Gibs.

>>512040773 (OP)
>make it make sense!!!
it's not literally one immigrant you fucking retard. There's 10's of millions. They are more than capable of doing both.

>>512040773 (OP)
>all immigrants are the same
unexpected take from liberals but okay

>>512040773 (OP)
Why would those be mutually exclusive? He is both taking your job by getting paid tax-free cash, and since he has no declared income he and his family are entitled to welfare.
I bet you thought you were very clever when you made this thread, you fucking faggot OP.

It's not about "all" the welfare, it's about a disproportionate amount.

As far as the work goes, everybody knows 3rd worlders will work for less and this drives down the cost of labor. If immigration is so good for the national labor in terms of raising their wages, why is America which has been one of the most flooded with immigrants in the past 60 years mostly had their wages stagnate entirely? Because it's obviously not good.

Whites can absorb some level of non-whites/3rd worlders, but beyond a point the country starts to look more and more like where non-whites/3rd worlders come from. That point is around 20% before a drastic quality of life drop happens.

>>512042304
>Nothing can make sense to you; you have a diseased mind.
I am stealing that and using it dealing with these fucktards in life. It'll help me save time, thanks anon!

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>>512046114

>>512045587
>THEY DO BOTH BLUH BLUH HURRRR
No thats not POSSIBLE no country allows that. especially under trump. god you guys are so uninformed just repeating the same thing over and over again like parrots. fucking parrot idiots
You guys are terrified of corporations so you blame immigrants for doing two things that are contradicting and impossible HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>512040773 (OP)
Sure, but honestly it's self explanatory.

They are 20 million, 10 million steal your job and the other 10 million steal your tax money.

>>512041218
>immigrants take all the jobs while also leeching on welfare both cant be true at the same time
Why not?
They depreciate wages by taking the lowest rungs of employment positions at wage rates below typical for an area. This means their yearly income is below the cutoff point for no longer receiving welfare. And the welfare programs aren't setup to exclude them from collecting on those benefits.

You've clearly never lived in an area with a lot of "immigrants" and have never been on welfare if you can't comprehend how both are true.

>>512043537
>Assumptions = detailed statistics
1/10 bait because you got me to respond.
Try harder.

>>512042959
>you cant apply for social assistance when you have a job you fucking morons
WRONG

Social assistance programs either
1. Require you to show records of income (or lack of income) and that determines the proportion of the benefits.
2. Don't ask for proof of anything aside from a bullshit protected status (like asylum) because the local or state government is setup to benefit from the presence of a large immigrant population.

>>512040773 (OP)
> Make this make sense /pol/
There are two of them?

>>512041843
Yeah only immigrants game the system, not out valid pure innocent White women

>>512040773 (OP)
>be Somalian man
>immigrate to UK with family
>get DEI job because black, Muslim retard.
>company gets tax break for not hiring whites
>alternatively, get £10k gibs to buy car
>be uber driver. Make < min wage
>have wife. Never works, only shits out babies
>can't afford to support family on min wage
>get gibs to make up the difference

>>512040773 (OP)
>millions of immigrants are 1 man

>>512042373
it's called a Tax ID number and they all have one, it functions the same as an SSID

>>512041218
>debunked
If you mean the government doesn't pay them $5/hour of their wages, yes.
What happens is the business gets a tax refund for that amount.
Same thing, extra steps.

>>512040773 (OP)
>taking jobs for less money than any American can live off of
>then having you subsidize the difference by drawing benefits
>pays no taxes himself except on consumption

yes they are a plague

>>512040773 (OP)
I'll indulge the retarded shitposter: you can do both. Work illegally maybe with a stolen identity AND collect migrant benefits.
Fucking piece of shit disingenuous glownigger marxist OP. You will never be a woman. I wish a pack of rabbid pitbulls would eat you alive.

>>512040773 (OP)
you got some that are lazy
and you've got some that are brought in to do work

that's about it really

>>512047242
Your mi6 glowing has no power here. Just kill yourself. Untermensch.

>>512040773 (OP)
There are different types of immigrants. The H1-Bs take all the jobs. Anchor babies get the welfare. Illegals increase crime.

>>512041218
>import group 1
>also import group 2

>>512040773 (OP)
if they're undocumented then there's no way to prove they are employed nor to check it and therefore they can do both without getting caught
and the kind of person who is ok with breaking the law to get into the country illegally is exactly the kind of person who would think nothing of exploiting the system in this way.

total commie death

>>512041218
>no you guys say that immigrants take all the jobs while also leeching on welfare both cant be true at the same time
>"Rampant welfare and employment fraud never happens in this country to exploit both, mainly from brownoids all the time.

Lol, lmao even.

KYS.

>>512040773 (OP)
It's easy, they work for cash under the table while claiming they make no money to feed their family of 6, the government pays them $2k per kid and housing allowance. A refugee in canada makes $80k/year tax free.

>>512040773 (OP)
They're collecting welfare AND working under the table. What's so hard to understand? They're not paying taxes either. Sales taxes are incidental.

>>512040773 (OP)
ah yes and immigrants don't send all their money back home to their home countries via western union so true anon

>>512042325
You have not conveyed a single coherent thought yet in the thread.

>>512048500
>only some are lazy
t. bloomer
YNGMI

>>512040773 (OP)
>gets paid slave wages and collects welfare
It makes perfect sense if you're not a fucking retard.

>>512040773 (OP)
Are you implying there's just *so* many pouring in that inevitably both points are true by attrition?

>>512041218
>no you guys say that immigrants take all the jobs while also leeching on welfare both cant be true at the same time
Almost everyone on benefits works, they just work under the table. And no, no one from the government goes checking, there's too many illegals to do so even if they wanted to (the current government *might* want to but every previous one didn't)

>>512040773 (OP)
>>Collecting Welfare
Because they do, the programs meant for American / Canadians ( housing , assistance , health care ) that have a set back or are poor. They are now steered toward the illegal. -- ( OMG they are Poor cries the Liberal ) --
So hey I got disabled and need housing -- Sorry it's full with illegals and refugees .

Take all the jobs -- yup -- they work for below the going rates and don't pay taxes. And any Jobsite is now dangerous because they do it the Mexican way and can't explain safety to them because of too low of IQ and language.

So they lower the pay and Third World work conditions .