Thread 512047063

India has existed for 5000 years with many achievements as a people. Contributions like number system and 0, wurtz steel (which would later become Damascus steel), space missions, sanskrit and its grammar, philosophical treatises
But if you asked me what was India's greatest achievement it is picrel hymn from rig veda. It is unlike anything else I have seen in any other place.

And now you guys are known for shitting on the streets and delivering uber eats, how the mighty has fallen

>>512047293
Indra himself fell from grace after fighting with his father in the rig veda, supposedly subsisting on dog meat which an Eagle brought him after feeling pity on him. He was kicked out of the heavens.

What happened ? He rose to glory again.

>>512047398
Yep super 2025 right rajesh

>>512047063 (OP)
This is our ancestors religion and we kindly ask you to stop stealing our ancestors faith pajeet.

>>512047906
Saar when was the last time a fire ritual happened in Europe

>>512048034
You are worshipping the form while we are still carrying the substance even though we lost the forms millenias ago. You should convert to islam, your people need some basic dumb rules to follow not the white man cosmic order philosophy.

>>512047063 (OP)
Yeah, Imagine what they could have achieved if they still existed. Unfortunately they were replaced with subhumans.

>>512047063 (OP)
mughal empire is the last time occupied india was ever relevant

>>512048533
>You are worshipping the form while we are still carrying the substance even though we lost the forms millenias ago.
If you make the distinction and imply there is some difference and that the physical rituals are lesser you have already lost this one.

the 3 pillars of india

1 SCAMMING
2 RAPING
2 POOING

>>512047063 (OP)
How'd it get taken over by a few thousand brits then?

>>512047293
India stopped developing around 2500 BC. Every development they have enjoyed since then has come from outsiders without any improvement of the development happening once it was in hindoo hands. Extremely backwards people who believe they are the greatest to ever exist.

>>512049126
Lol, truth.

>>512048800
Ritual is a vehicle, not the destination. The form is supposed to point to the substance, not replace it. If the ritual survives but the inner meaning is forgotten, then the ritual becomes empty. On the other hand, if the form disappears but the substance continues in how people live and act, then the purpose is still being fulfilled. India preserved the temple walls, Europe preserved the cosmic fire that once burned inside them.

>>512047063 (OP)
So? Just a text, many religions have one

>>512047063 (OP)
Please , saar, let me come to your country. India has too many accomplishments and it is a crushing burden

>>512050027
The ritual and meaning are one and the same. That is the very nature of the rig veda. It stresses on the physical too. That is its central distinction from other faiths. The vehicle is as important as the destination for the Arya is known with horses and chariots . And if the traveller is lost, travelling always leads him somewhere.

>>512047063 (OP)
Egyptians and Babylonians had a concept of 0 but didn't have a digit for it.
>The ancient Greeks had no symbol for zero (μηδέν, pronounced mēdén), and did not use a digit placeholder for it.[21] According to mathematician Charles Seife, the ancient Greeks did begin to adopt the Babylonian placeholder zero for their work in astronomy after 500 BC, representing it with the lowercase Greek letter ό (όμικρον: omicron). However, after using the Babylonian placeholder zero for astronomical calculations they would typically convert the numbers back into Greek numerals. Greeks seemed to have a philosophical opposition to using zero as a number.[22] Other scholars give the Greek partial adoption of the Babylonian zero a later date, with neuroscientist Andreas Nieder giving a date of after 400 BC and mathematician Robert Kaplan dating it after the conquests of Alexander.[23][24]

>>512052542
Did any of them discuss emptiness as philosophy and write down 0 as the additive identity for naturals before indians?

>>512052659
>If I add nothing to something I arrive at my pre existing quantity
I'm pretty sure they knew this.

>>512047063 (OP)
>we wuz
who cares

>>512051963
The Rig Veda may unite ritual and meaning, but if ritual always equals substance, how do you explain the gap between India’s endless rituals and its low-trust, unjust society? A chariot without a destination just goes in circles. Substance gives the direction. Even the Upanishads warned against mistaking ritual for the goal. The Arya was known for his horses, but also for truth. Without that truth, the horses just run in place

>>512050027
Dont argue with an indian. Theyre lower caste. They're just meat impulse vehicles. They're not actually capable of having any idea of what the ancient texts mean and they dont actually care. They think brown hands wrote them ffs. Their yogis are all jist rapist pedo scammers amd have been since theyve been brown. Idk if the brown skin is some punishment from god or of theyre just a completely different people inhabiting that land now. In amy case india is an example of a fallen nation that continues to be cursed to this day. I don't know what they did to set it off but it's obvious to everyone other than themselves why god continues to punish them. The vedas are also highly corrupted and not actually that meaningful anymore anyways. I bet he thinks indians invented kung fu too. (I had an indian guy tell me that once)

>>512052837
So they did not. They used it as a placeholder at most

>>512053167
>wrote them
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>512047293
>>512047566
>>512049359
>A lot of jeets moved to Canada
I don't trust these posts.

>>512053131
Vedic rituals are performed by select few. Major rituals are no longer performed by everyone. Most brahmins that follow vedic ritualistic life are good people, same for other indians

>>512053248
>It is an oral tradition saaaar

>>512053131
>A chariot without a destination just goes in circles. Substance gives the direction.

This is fundamentally wrong because this exact issue is addressed by Indra himself in aitreya Brahamana

Once there was a king named Harish Chandra. In pursuit of a son he promised Varuna (brother /friend of Indra and hindu God of oceans and waters/cosmos) a sacrifice . The king gets a son, and his son (named Rohith) grows up. One day, Varuna comes to the king to ask for the son. But rohit knows and escapes. Varuna inflicts harishchandra with a stomach illness. For 3 years Rohita ran directionless and for 3 years Indra visits him disguised as a sage asking him to keep moving forward whenever rohit contemplates returning.
On the 3rd year Indra reveals himself and says this
"The fortune of him who is sitting, sits, it rises when he rises, it sleeps when he sleeps, it moves when he moves, therefore, wander"

Later the sacrifice is cancelled and turns out it was a play by Varuna to get some stuff done by Rohita and some other people for another purposes.
Indra is mostly identified with Rain, lightning, thunderbolts and most importantly, motion. Indra represents the eternal motion and his enemies are allegories to stillness

By inventing zero, you gave Jews infinite power and made the world infinitely more corrupt.

>>512053950
Also this is just one of the many myths which lead the early British historians to identify Yahweh with Varuna (the Abraham incident ). Infact, you can say, in many ways, Harish Chandra was sort of Abraham in many ways given he was raised to godhood due to his actions

>>512054128
Actually, now that I think about it Varuna does sound like Olt Testament Yahweh in many places

>>512053950
That’s a beautiful story, but notice Rohita wasn’t wandering for its own sake. Indra guided him. The motion mattered only because it was aligned with a higher cosmic play. Without Indra’s revelation, Rohita would have been lost forever. That’s exactly my point: ritual (motion) is the vehicle, but it only has meaning when it’s directed by substance (Indra’s truth). Otherwise, the horses just run in circles.

>>512047063 (OP)
Youre a clown

>>512054128
>>512054179
Exactly and that parallel proves my argument. Across civilizations, the core stories point to the same truth: it’s not the ritual itself but the willingness to align with cosmic order that matters. Abraham’s faith wasn’t about burning a sheep, and Harishchandra’s trial wasn’t about just moving, it was about recognizing the higher order behind the motion. That’s the substance I’m talking about. The forms differ, but the fire is the same.

>>512054193
The idea is that even running in circles is better than standing still, for eventually you will leave the circle

>>512053950
Listen. Larping as a "spiritual" "vedic" "culture" has not been working for you guys. Life in india will not ever get better unless.... fuck i was trying to give you advise but i cant think of anything. India is actually just cursed and hopeless. Try to join china i guess and adopt their slightly better bug culture. You have to shed the vedic larping though. Its a different peoples story from a different time with different rules

>>512053210
>Ancient Egyptian numerals were of base 10.[9] They used hieroglyphs for the digits and were not positional. In one papyrus written around 1770 BC, a scribe recorded daily incomes and expenditures for the pharaoh's court, using the nfr hieroglyph to indicate cases where the amount of a foodstuff received was exactly equal to the amount disbursed. Egyptologist Alan Gardiner suggested that the nfr hieroglyph was being used as a symbol for zero. The same symbol was also used to indicate the base level in drawings of tombs and pyramids, and distances were measured relative to the base line as being above or below this line.[10]

>>The same symbol was also used to indicate the base level in drawings of tombs and pyramids, and distances were measured relative to the base line as being above or below this line.[10]
0 + a = a

>>512054707
We stopped following proper 100% vedic rituals 1000 years ago and now we are attempting to rebuild it. Most indian hindus don't understand any of hinduism beyond surface
I think a fundamental problem is that hjndhism in spirit demands you to be high culture (I don't like this term but there is no better alternative I can think of right now)
The rig veda doesn't command much and neither does the other 3 vedas. Infact rules and regulations on daily life don't come until the puranas and smritis
The vedas do describe daily life, but don't command it. Only cow protection is strictly commanded throughout, and it is a bronze age pastoral community scripture

>>512054608
But that’s exactly the danger, without direction, circles can last forever. The Upanishads themselves warned that ritual without inner knowledge sends you back into the cycle of rebirth, endless circling. It’s only when motion is guided by truth that it becomes real progress. Otherwise, the horses just keep tracing the same track.

>>512054924
Youre not listening. (To anyone including yourself) The delusion of indians is goated frfr. Nothin else like it. And theyre all like this. Its not even a joke.

>Welp. Shit break over. Back to life in toronto where i have this exact conversation over and over and over and over and over and over again

>>512054924
I appreciate that honesty, and it proves my point. If most Hindus don’t understand beyond the surface, then the cosmic fire of the Vedas is flickering under the weight of empty forms. You say Hinduism demands high culture, but isn’t true high culture the living of cosmic order itself, not just the attempt to reconstruct rituals? That’s the substance I’ve been pointing to.

>>512055394
It cannot exist without the rituals. This is the fundamental place where many people get it wrong (even I did once) and reason why traditionalists seethe at people like you and me for trying to weigh down the importance of the rituals. It took me a long time to come around to physical rituals. The fire in the yajna must burn for the fire within to burn

>>512047063 (OP)
>India has existed for 5000 years
India was created as a unitary authority in the 19th century by the British Empire and it has only existed for 77 years as a country.

>>512047063 (OP)
It's just shitty Lao Tzu, what are you on about?

Jeets are literally a bioweapon in Canada.

>>512055347
Jeets have taken over large parts of Canada, it’s terrible.

>>512055516
I hear you, but if the inner fire only exists when the outer fire burns, then how do we explain people in ritual-poor societies who still live truthfully, with fairness and trust? And how do we explain ritual-rich societies that still circle in corruption? The yajna fire is powerful, but the sages also said the truest fire is within, and it can burn even when no wood is on the altar.

You're a brown shitskin with 68 IQ.
Your ancestor never invented anything beyond poop worship.

You're stealing anctry from othr races becau the bits drew a line on the an and told you they wr your ancestor, but youre litterally too retarded to undrstand this.

>>512047063 (OP)

If only indians could use a toilet.

If only induans didn't stink like a rotting corpse.

If only indians didn't swarm to better countries like cockroaches and fucking ruin them.

If only indians knew 5% of the tech a white child knows.

If only indians didn’t eat actual shit they find on the road.

Indians are the worst race on this planet. Which is saying a lot if you make blacks look good.

>>512055516
>still doesnt get it
And this is the problem with jeet philosophy. The rituals have nothing to do with channeling metaphysical power, the locus of power is within you, and a ritual manifesting the power is diluting the natural intersubjectivity through a medium for the purposes of propagating another entity. Dumbasses think the ritual makes the "magic"; an ascendant knows the "magic" exists regardless of the ritual, and the ritual is a lens for people with limited understanding.

You're a brown shitskin with 68 IQ.
Your ancestor never invented anything beyond poop worship.

You're stealing ancestry from other races because the brits drew a line on the map and told you those others nearby were your ancestors, but youre litterally too retarded to undrstand this.

>>512056008
I cannot help but agree, but then again, none of us will equal the vedic sages, and the hope is that so long as the fire outside burns someone will have the fire within lit :)

>>512047063 (OP)
>It is unlike anything else I have seen in any other place.
Literally Genesis 1:1
Or possibly what influenced the Genesis story:
The story of Ptah's creation of the universe, speaking it into existence, and recorded on the Shabaka stone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabaka_Stone

Indians were literally running around half naked and practicing cannibalism on a daily basis as recent as 300 years ago. The British wrote about it. Half their buildings are shittier copy paste versions of Persian architecture and the other half are simple block style buildings made by cheap material and sometimes cow dung.

Even today, Indians can not build anything of value. If they could, we would be flocking to their country, instead they flock to ours in giant masses. Indians are utterly useless and pathetic creatures, the only thing they seemed to have mastered thus far is being delusional

>>512056636
Read the last stanza of the Nasadiya sukta, especially the last line. Read it. That's where it prevails above others

>>512047063 (OP)
You can enjoy all those made up things in India and stay the fuck out of my home.

>>512056983
No. You still have a personified deity.