Thread 512051933

25 year old Zoomie. I have spent the last few years going through hiring agencies to do work as they pay significantly more (6$+ pay diff) compared to your average low skill job and its the only way to get your foot in the door for production companies and factory work. You are basically scab labor with no rights and can be fired on a whim by your employer and they constantly dangle temp employment infront of your face.
I have had 3 jobs working in a factory as a temp worker and they constantly dangle permanent positions as a reward but never hire you. I have gotten sick or missed a few days due to a family accident (like my niece being in a car wreck) and been fired for missing less that 4 days despite having no prior misses and never being late.
The only other options are
>Start your own business (lol)
>Go to a tech school/college and hope you get a job.
What the fuck is the point. There is basically no way up and no way to get your footing.

>>512051933 (OP)
dunno bro, I'm 34 and never had a job in my entire life.
imo you'd have to be a moron to fall for the wagecucking scam.

>>512051933 (OP)
>hiring agencies
there's your problem, these agencies are your pimp and you are the whore

find a job on your own

>factory work
>anything with a forklift
>boxes
yeah have fun doing the same thing until you die

>>512052283
Thats actually the issue. These companies will not hire you without you going through a temp agency. They want complete control over the ability to terminate your contract and fire you without any reason and not have to pay insurance. The only alternatives are grocery store tier jobs which are not even enough to pay for groceries, or again, starting your own business.

>>512051933 (OP)
Zoom bro I’m 19 and work as an engineer, you just have to have relevant skills on your resume. I got approached by a recruiter on indeed because of my CAD experience and did a 4 month contract to get hired on at the end of it. I make 27 an hour now.

If you have no education or technical ability becoming an electrician or semiconductor technician is pretty safe choice. They pay well (30$ and above) and aren't physically demanding.

>>512052187
same NEET bro, but at this point i'm bored out of my mind, so i got qualified for cushiest job i could find, "web security". But i am STILL bored, so might try to do something reckless like a startup by next year if i can find a couple of local NEETs as lazy as i am. Some shit like "an alarm system for your network that works just like the one on your warehouse!" kek, i'm a genius. The aging boomers around me will buy it for sure.

Point is being a NEET is great when you look for jobs, because you dodge all those "have a degree just to make minimum wage and be a total bitch for years, struggling to make ends meet in some expensive city" jobs. I mean they're pretty obvious when you know what to look for, but when you're young and anxious to get a job you think you have no choice. For a NEET, every job competes with NEETing so i wouldn't take almost anything from these only adverts. In fact i have a bio degree, but these jobs are cancer, sheesh

>>512053310
I'm literally never bored at all, there are so many things to learn and explore and build.
the day doesnt have enough hours for all the things I wanna do.

>>512051933 (OP)
28 and my logic has been to see what similar positions offer. That supplies you with a little leverage. The capitalist overlords hate that you can do this then give you a pittance of a raise. In my last three positions I've been able to secure them with this method. I went into tech cause all my older leftie friends doing gay liberal jobs made me lose respect for them and the way it's asks that emasculate men

>>512053409
ehh i built some furniture in my room, but now i want people to buy it, that kind of boredom. The second i get good i wanna make some cash with it. I think it's natural

>>512051933 (OP)
You don't work your way up anymore. If you look all the industries, everything has adopted the pay-to-play model. Pay for a degree, pay for certification, pay to opportunity to even apply for certain high demand positions.

The reason for this is that there are simply too many people, and jobs are now so easy to perform that they don't required any unique individual talent or aptitude. It's only going to get worse as AI begins to perform daily decision making tasks. So pay the money, and you'll have your chance for the HR Jew to make you their golem of choice.

>>512051933 (OP)
Migrate to a developed country. Then you get democracy, freedom, livable wages, healthcare, and all that. Your best bet is Canada. It's the closest one.

>>512051933 (OP)
>What the fuck is the point.
you're right, just give up like the pathetic loser you are.
>Start your own business (lol)
unironically this is the way. Unless you manage your own business, even if you start off small, you will always be under the wing of a larger corporate entity. You will not have any control of your pay or benefits. But nah, you can just grovel and cry on here and stay a loser. I thought Zoomers were supposed to be smart?
>>512057950
>You don't work your way up anymore.
this. Zoomers job-hop because that is the only way to move up the hierarchy and in pay. Even you can look this up on YouTube weirdo.

>>512051933 (OP)
Take the Agent ramp pill, trust me

>You work outdoors,
>constant Vitamine D cuz outside
>Beautiful scenery
>Good environment
You don't work continuously because you handle flights one by one

Working between 4 walls in a shitty factory is just shit and everyone applies to these shits

>>512051933 (OP)
wrong board, faggot

>>512058434
>unironically this is the way.
This quite literally doesn't work for most cases, especially in small towns. Your options are essentially
>Boat/vehicle mechanic
>Some sort of handyman
>Detailing
>Maybe alcohol production for something unique or rare like mead
>Lawn service/pressure washing
Pretty much all of those are filled up and don't have any wiggle room, while a craftsman's trade or alcohol production have quite the high barrier to entry due to licensing and production costs.
>>512059305
True, but I routinely see shit thats way off the mark for a boards topic as compared to this. Mainly shit that belongs on /x/ or /his/.
>Zoomers job-hop
Unironically only viable if the area around you is hiring for what you want and you have the ability to do so. I have EMT/FF certs but they genuinely pay less with less hours than warehouse labor while being price locked with nearby towns or other counties.

What do you NEETs in their 30s even do all day? Aren’t you bored? Don’t u feel worthless without contributing to society? Do you not have dread about your future? What is ur plan? I just don’t get it. My work gives me meaning and purpose.

>>512058434
>Zoomers job-hop because that is the only way to move up the hierarchy and in pay.
Just to add, this started majorly happening around the late 80s/early 90s, but it's fully taken hold now. There was a workaround that emerged with interning (you do free work with only minor qualifications), but that got sealed up as now interning basically requires full "HR qualifications".

And yeah, HR was a huge factor in this. They use certified third-party qualifications to justify their decisions and overall role. And to get that, you need to pay.

>>512052187
are you faking a mental illness or how do you get neetbux?

>>512052473
Welcome to capitalism chud, this is what you wanted.

>>512051933 (OP)
Don't work anywhere where nepotism doesn't work in your favor. Period.

That's how it works. Or you can be a wage slave for someone else's family.

You're better off slinging drugs and not paying taxes.

>>512051933 (OP)
>How
You have to suck HR roasties toes
Then you need to date HR

>>512051933 (OP)
Why should the hire someone who misses work when they can hire someone who doesn’t?

Why is /pol/ turning into a bunch of emotional leftists? Companies do not give a shit about you, stop expecting them to.

>>512051933 (OP)
anon, dunno what to say, except that the scab undocumented lifestyle is perhaps the way to live.


Here one could not find, at least i could not, in two different counties, a day labourer on the black market cheaper than 90$ a day (8 hours) + meal + breaks, and ouf course that guy has 0 income, and is on whatever social aid scheme he can get in on. The practice over here is if they do not get paid on that day they will not shop up again. dunno how it is in america, but i expect it would go somewhere around 120/150 $ a day, and again all cash, no taxes, 0 fiscalized income.


so i think the way to go is to get in on the people who run day laborer crews, and as a native American you probably have decent changes to run one in five or ten years, and also get the skills to maintain or even build your own house in the meantime. also have 0 income, since you are cash only black market and get all the EBT, Section 8, Social Security funds from the US gov.


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>>512051933 (OP)
You don't, it's all nepotism. You're going to get sidelined by the manager's nephew the second you thought you were going anywhere.

>>512053409
>On todays list of things anon wants to do, posting about how he is a NEET is currently the top priority
Absolutely grim.

>>512063157
Ding. Right answer.

>>512051933 (OP)
In vasty majority of jobs, its not even working your way up. Where you going to go? to team leader to manager for 100% more work and hassle, for a dollar per hour more?

>>512052473
labor market is flooded from illegals and h1bs.
trump isnt gonna save you btw he just approved more h1bs than biden.

if the labor market wasnt flooded workers would have more leverage to get better pay, hours, and conditions.

>>512051933 (OP)
old guy here. some honest words:
only times i got ahead in life was when i lied, cheated,stole or did some other unethical thing. ESPECIALLY on the workplace.

yeah it sucks. Guess there's merit somewhere regarding promotions but errr...seems rare.

>>512052576
Damn bro you can afford lunch on only one of your 8 hours! Livin the good life.

>>512052473
>These companies will not hire you without you going through a temp agency. They want complete control over the ability to terminate your contract and fire you without any reason and not have to pay insurance.
It costs more to pay the overhead of a temp agency than to have a full time employee who has their shit together. If you keep getting fired instead of taken on full-time you're probably a useless retard.
Why not apply for a job at the post office? Mail handling/sorting is donkey work but you get a pension, benefits, and guaranteed pay raises every year.

>>512060994
Good goy

>>512051933 (OP)
You're supposed have your friends bring you into their jobs. If you don't utilize nepotism you'll always be a disposable acumbag.

>>512051933 (OP)
Upskilling is definitely the way. You have a long life, accumulate tickets, skills, quals...it will never set you wrong.

>>512051933 (OP)
It's not who you are it's who you know.

>>512051933 (OP)
Somebody's got to shovel the shit. If you don't know anyone or aren't exceptional you're fucked, as a white dude.

>>512051933 (OP)
>Start your own business
i mean unironically this

you still need experience SOMEWHERE
most successful companies have founders that comes from a niche, found something they can do better and were the only ones doing it

you can always start a craft / workshop business
but that usually requires minimal skill as well
vocational training is cheaper / easier to find that university though (at least in Germany)
it's a bit easier to get profitable, compared to a "startup", but also the ceiling is lower

>>512057950
>there are simply too many people
That's the most retarded, economically illiterate take possible
More people means MORE jobs normally. More people also means MORE chaos and MORE opportunity.
What really matters is resource availability. How easy capital is to access. Back in the 80s in some places you could go to a bank with a paper with your business idea on it and they'd throw a loan your way with only minor collateral. If you had a successful bar before, you'd get a full starter loan to start another. Now you need significant collateral, and in fact you might not even get one regardless. You need to deal with private investors.

If your nation's resources are locked to a segment of the population who hoards it unproductively, you're fucked. Think of the boomers hoarding houses and capital, or 401k, think banks also inflating real estate. Think the startup culture laundering cash back and forth. Hell think videogames moving hundreds of millions for dumb ideas. As long as the money is circling 20% of the population it doesn't matter how many people you have. Your industries will stagnate, you won't have jobs, and your nation will claim huge GDP growth every year while most people get poorer. You need resources to circulate freely and fall into productive activities first. It's very easy when you're undeveloped and got a lot of resources, almost impossible in a mature economy. It's why large successful empires tend to fail. Bureaucratization and less available markets makes it almost impossible to keep resources flowing correctly.

>>512064380
I used to watch a guy in his shop selling donuts hotdogs and ice-creams. He was always busy, so I asked him how I could set up a shop like his. He charged me $60k to set one up for me in Auckland.
I had 20k saved, borrowed 20k from family and 20k from a bank.
It was worth it, I paid everyone back, made a good income and had lots of fun.

>>512051933 (OP)
I have no idea.
t. 35 year old

>>512064777
>so then I got the premises and equipment for free
You need to be better at LARPING

>>512051933 (OP)
Become a cop and abuse overtime

>>512051933 (OP)
Real men work outdoors.

>>512051933 (OP)
I quit going to work after I realized 90% of the time I'm just wasting my time doing pointless shit nobody cares about and not getting ahead in life.
I worked there a lot over the past 12 years and the wagie community was a major factor in my decision to not work anymore. NEETs did it to an extent as well but WAGIES are far worse.
Someone could give a long drawn out and factually accurate explanation of what would have to happen for me to even be able to one day buy a home and have a family and why working was fraudulent. The post would get a dozen responses of
>WHY SHOULD YOU EAT?
>when you know you know
>economic collapse is coming
>stack metals the end is nigh
>keep waging faggot
>100% eoy silver will reach 5k an ounce
Or some equally long schizo post explaining numerology, using bible scripture and random posts here explaining how by the end of the year billions will be unemployed because of the AI.
Here we are.
After seeing the nothingburger today I came here just to watch the seething and suicide letters. It’s beyond EOY, the jobs didn't disappear, the banks didn't collapse (unfortunately), no more use cases and all the dirty laundry is out in the air now.
It’s not going to be Millennial's Economic Paradise, it will not be the Roaring 20's all over again. The world will not be descending into hyper deflation and prosperity (as was obsessed over for months/years) it will be going on as usual with no major gains or rewards.
I will enjoy watching wagies burn every step along the way.
Why?
Because those fucking idiots deserve it all.

>>512052576
>Zoom bro I’m 19 and work as an engineer
>19
>an engineer
ah, going to college at 15, huh?

>>512065010
>Everybody who isn't a whiny loser is LARPing

>>512064777
you discovered franchising

and sometimes it works out

but usually it's either
extremely expensive and kinda profitable (e.g. McDonalds which can easily be 1mil+ but lots of support)
or cheap but a big gamble (e.g. Subway and they just approve 2 other shops on the same street as you kek)

also many scams
a Donut franchise guy in Germany was just "busted" for his bullshit money grab

and worth remembering
gastronomy is a tough and often unrewarding business

>>512064032
It really doesn't considering they don't have to pay any insurance costs, dont cover workers comp and have the ability to fire you for any reason. They also have no reason to move you around when they automate and just lay you off instead, which has also happened to me twice lol.

>>512065010
No, I leased the premises and bought the equipment...it's just too hard for you, isn't it? You can't even contemplate such a thing, it is so far out of your league to be a normal human being.

>>512065625
Sure. Life is a risk that ends in death...what you gonna do?

>>512064032
Dunno if it works for all, but for me I can't hack staying at a job full time anymore. I've become a frog, hopping job to job never settling because each job is a dumpster fire. But that's my problem.

>>512051933 (OP)
I was a 24 y/o NEET loser with no work history and made it out by finding a CNC operator gig through the temp service. It was a medium sized car parts shop mostly populated by ex cons and retarded truck boomers but the supervisor and management were decent enough people. They started moving me to increasingly complex stuff when they realized I wasn't completely retarded and eventually they hooked me up doing CAD shit for them. Stayed for a few years and got another job at a better place doing the same thing and now I'm making almost 40/hr
The average anon here could easily do something similar

I would always recommend utility/infrastructure work. No, not as a “contractor” because these are just scumbags that do the basics wrong. Find the actual company running the show and go work for them, on their books
>but I can make more money contracting!
Yeah you can. You can also make no money when the work dries up or some moron you work with kills someone on the job, causing you to lose your employer the subcontract. Water, gas, power and telecom aren’t going anywhere and if you can do one of those to a good standard you will make decent money and have a stable job. If you are anywhere near a seaport, air freight or rail depot look into that too. If you’re really desperate look at highways work but that can be grim

>>512051933 (OP)
we are in the bad times little zoom, unfortunately nothing will improve for a long time. Your best bet is a violent revolution but this is unlikely.

>>512062724
i could try for welfare but you basically have to explain your life story to some govt worker who then decides if you qualify or not. that seems like the ultimate humiliation ritual so im not doing that

>>512065888
>Sure. Life is a risk that ends in death...what you gonna do?
exactly
just wanted to contextualize franchising

you have limited money and time
so use it effectively
and typically you have to double check franchises, because your money+time are typically used more effectively somewhere else

yours was kinda an ideal situation

>>512051933 (OP)
why is starting your own business laughable to you? you will always be a slave, good luck with that.

>>512065462
Actually yeah lol, I went to a dual enrollment focused highschool and got my degree at 18 when I graduated along with my diploma.
also I did internships at other firms so that helped.