Hey brother, I think you may be deceived. If that's the case, surely you'd want to know about it? Better not to labor under a false reality, better to be mentally free. I am performing a service in potentially helping you overcome contagious psychological manipulation. I do this for you even though you rudely fight my well meaning efforts.

>You're Jewish

(Provides 23&me) Can we discuss evidence now?

>Denounce the Talmud

Ok, I denounce the Talmud. Can we discuss evidence now?

>What is a woman?

An adult human female. Can we discuss evidence now?

>Physique check

(Provides selfie) Can we discuss evidence now?

>Your jaw isn't square enough

Can I see you?

>No

Then can we discuss evidence now?

>Instead, here's a jpeg of a neckbeard in a fedora

That isn't a picture of me. I'm fit and don't wear hats. Of the hundreds of neckbeard fedora memes, only 11 are authentic, sourced from the Reddit "faces of atheism" thread. The rest can be found without the atheist captions by google image searching "neckbeard fedora". There were also plenty of regular looking people in that thread. But I don't understand what this has to do with the topic, I'd like to discuss what evidence you have.

>Why waste my time, you won't understand me, being totally ignorant of the Bible

Why have you assumed this? I attended 2 private Christian schools. I was required to read the Bible cover to cover at the rate of one reading per year, & write exegetical essays. Have you read the Bible even once?

>You probably haven't read Aquinas

I know he would fail a physique check, so by your own rule his writings are inadmissible.

>Christianity is based and for true alpha males

Is that how you determine what's true?

>Here’s a presuppositional argument which frames topic such that I automatically win before discussion begins

Why are you like this? Why do you argue like a defensive person who knows they're lying? I intend no harm. From my perspective, I'm trying to help you.

Pre-emptively:

what do you want to gain from winning this argument?
the audience obviously, but why?

>>512078670 (OP)
“The majority of men… are not capable of thinking, but only of believing, and… are not accessible to reason, but only to authority.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

You're jewish

>>512079176

I don't aim to prove or disprove a supreme being, as I have humility before the biggest questions of life. Rather, defending against the charge that nonbelievers only reject the claims of the Bible because we want to sin. I'm straight white and male, exactly who US evangelical Christianity is designed to benefit. There legitimately are many compelling credibility challenges to foundational doctrines of the Christian faith which would lead an impartial, reasonable person to conclude it's based on intentional falsegoods. Neither would I try to persuade you not to participate, church is the killer app of religion with many social opportunities. I would like your participation to be informed however, that you may be a farmer instead of livestock and use religion as a tool, rather than the reverse

go go kick

Even a 7 yrar old knkws intelligent design is proof. It's already been done to death and there's no reason to do this other than to stroke your perceived self-important ego where you get to play the skeptical judge.
It's unironic and genuinely cringey which just reinforces the fedora meme as it doesn't miss.

>>512080103

7 year olds make many of the same assumptions as Christians, and for the same reason

>>512080103
>Even a 7 yrar knkws
>DEUS VULT memeflag
you are a retarded, subhuman beaner. please kill yourself

If you accept evolution & say it's God's paintbrush, much as human game devs make use of procgen tools to save labor, it answers some questions but raises others. What does an omnimax being need with labor saving tools? I have thought at times it's like the passage in which he calls out to Adam & Eve as they hide in the garden despite knowing where they are, to teach us something about ourselves. This is one of many possible rationales I'd like to explore with Christians, but at the first sign of challenging information they dig in their heels & get nasty, as if I set out to be hurtful, or they feel some Pavlovian condition fear of hell whenever they experience doubt. Should they expect nature to appear unambiguously designed, as it says in Romans, when that would undermine divine hiddenness, & the purpose of our reality as a morality test? If it were truly that clear, the test wouldn't catch out people for behaving as they naturally would when not watched, it would select for rational self interest from people just trying to satisfy conditions of a test they're not meant to be aware of.

>>512079746
that's a lot of word salad that doesn't answer my simple question
what does it accomplish for you?

>>512080179
>>512080179
That's a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

>>512080779

If you don't consider that an answer then I guess I don't understand what you're asking

>>512080794

Anything you don't understand seems like incoherent nonsense until you do

looks like an LLM thread. if you want us to train your bot you should script some of the obvious shit, its just defaulting to gobbledygook and not really saying anything.

>>512081909

>If I pretend not to understand, I need not engage with challenging information

>>512082071
okay good, the bot programmer
what do you get out of this debate?
what do you gain?

>>512082446

I see people lost in the sauce, truly believing in it, and feel they've been taken advantage of. If they wish to participate in a religion, I'm fine with that, but they need to know what it actually is vs. how it portrays itself before they can give informed consent.

>>512082817
they're more than lost in the sauce. they're committed, and no discussion here is going to change that.
its a persecution cult with 2000 years of lore where the religion was near exclusively a doctrine of their people + an undetermined amount of lore preceding that where it was not.
they believe snakes talk and jewish storytelling is supremely (literally divinely) historical.
you aren't going to do shit to that. they say they care about their people and are committed to doing the right thing, and best I can tell, no lie detected there.
that's good enough for me.

>>512078670 (OP)
what the fuck is this thread about could i get a tldr

Fuck jews

>>512083523
>you aren't going to do shit to that

If that were true there would be no apostates

>>512083886
the apostates usually turn into pieces of shit
what's the point?
do you want to create pieces of shit?
is that what you gain unopened bologna man?

>>512084146

>the apostates usually turn into pieces of shit

Many Christians are also pieces of shit. Their beliefs don't restrain their actions, but help to rationalize them after the fact.

>do you want to create pieces of shit?

This is an appeal to consequences, unconnected to what's true.

>is that what you gain unopened bologna man?

I love truth and hate deception.

okay I'm helping you program your bot now.
fuck this

>>512084389

I don't have a bot. Take your meds and/or quit the defensive posturing.