a. Ukraine become neutral
b. Ukraine recognizes that the Russian territories of Ukraine which Russia has already annexed and who everyone knows will stay Russian territories, are part of Russia

Am I missing something here? Is the only thing that stands in the way of piece a declaration by Ukraine that they will adopt something like Switzerland's neutrality - a move that brought the Swiss 200yrs of peace and made it the richest, non-microstate country in the world per capita?

>>512120744 (OP)

>>512120744 (OP)
Yes, you're missing the fact that Jewtin is a kike and wants the natives of both countries replaced.

Yeah? Hohols decided to believe this shit to be an existential conflict for them and your governments support the war to continue indefinitely

>>512120744 (OP)
>Am I missing something here?

>>512120744 (OP)
You can't be neutral with russia. Ukraine was retarded enough to believe that then they got invaded 3 times and are now 4 years in a war with their "mostly peaceful" neighbor.

>>512121045
>annexes Crimea
>wants Ukraine to be completely powerless and to always be able to take more land
Sure thing, dindu nuffins

The common argument is that Russia will attack them again in the future and take more land. I think it's worth a shot on Ukraine's part to accept the terms simply because it's better to concede earlier than later, but that's just me.

>>512121045
Shut up and get replaced by africans
https://streamable.com/691uwf

>>512120744 (OP)
>Russian territories
>Am I missing something
yes, your brain

>>512121257
They already tried that and Russia invaded again. Dumbass Ukrainians were stupid enough to seriously believe russia would honor agreements, treaties, etc.

>>512121257
>The common argument is that Russia will attack them again in the future and take more land. I think it's worth a shot on Ukraine's part to accept the terms simply because it's better to concede earlier than later, but that's just me.


This. I mean if Ukraine tries neutrality and everything goes well, they win. If they try neutrality and in 5 years Russia attacks again, at least they had 5 years to rebuild its military and advance weapons and also replenish its male population.

Either way, accepting neutrality and making peace is a win.

>>512121208
>wants Ukraine to be completely powerless
Yeah that's their main and first declaration of the constitution. They were supposed to be a neutral state. Since they aren't they shouldn't be surprised about what happens to them.

>>512121419
Did Ukraine adapot neutrality? Don't think so, didn't Ukraine shell the Donbass for 7 years on a daily basis?

>>512120744 (OP)
After Russia invaded twice, there's no way this war ends unless one of the two countries dies.
And if it was impossible at the start, now it could even be Russia that splits up and becomes an ineffectual balkanised mess.

>>512121257
They did that with crimea already
>Fool me once, shame on you.
>Fool me twice, shame on me

>>512121683
>they cry in pain as they attack you

>>512121781
Correct, you've been crying and crying and crying about us fixing the injustice on our borders

>>512121683
What is neutrality worth if your neighbors are going to attack you anyways?
Showing weakness can also serve to trigger aggression

>>512120744 (OP)
Putin has been telling trump to get to fuck since he was elected.

>>512121866
There are multiple ways to work things out diplomatically. The last thing you want to do is reject diplomacy, which Ukraine literally did because they believed they have the white massa's power behind their back.

>>512121195
the ukranny was only invaded after they ceased being neutral at the behest of jews in the US state department (coincidentally all whose ancestry can be traced back to the pale of settlement)

>>512121825
>our borders
>doesn't mention anything about Crimea
So you're supposedly fixing the injustice on """""your"""" borders and can't prevent the injustice done by all the non-whites inside? Why didn't you stop the Crocus atrocity? Because you're pure evil and want it to happen.

even with the blatant astroturfing and shilling it is fucking hilarious nu-/pol/ has reached a point where it simps for Russia, a shithole full of unironic mystery meat mutts, run by literal glowies, where it is illegal to be antisemitic, and with the most mosques in Europe, as it invades a smaller, more religious, whiter, agrarian neighbor with the expressed purpose of erasing their national identity and folding them into the mystery meat masses, shipping them deep into Russia away from their homeland, and then just flooding their captured territories with muslims

>>512120744 (OP)
putin always says something else
not only he's russian but he's also jewish

>>512121866
it's unwise to let jewish meddling hobbes-trap you into depopulating your own country

>>512121781
Kek

>>512120744 (OP)
You are missing the other lists of the demands, you FSB shill, the part where Ukraine has to dismantle their military, change the constitution, make russian the official language etc etc, after Bucha Ukraine will never surrender, you couldn't even wait a week before starting doing genocide and war crimes, have fun dying in Ukraine

>>512122102
>putin is jewish
Boy, wait until you learn who leads the ukraine

>>512120744 (OP)
Jews took over Ukraine and are killing off the native population to set up New Khazaria. We've known this since the beginning.

>>512121699
Of course they adopted neutrality. They even sat back while russia broke yet another agreement and invaded crimea. Of course they returned fire on Russian soldiers that were massing in the east. Men like Igor girkin are confirmed to have worked directly with the Russian military in FSB and other Russian glowie agencies to start war.

>>512121941
If your only attempt at diplomacy is to force the other side to fully demilitarize while you get to keep your own guns, you shouldn't expect anyone to believe you. It's basic street wisdom.

>>512122357
So they should let Jewtin replace them because of jewlensky?

>>512122234
>after the ukranny sent "anti-collaborator" units a day before the bucha massacre and the british blocked UN from releasing satellite footage

>>512122234
>bucha
Memeflag, you know there isn’t anyone outside uhg who doesn’t know that was the ukraine.

>>512122396
>t. tuned in in 2022
Donbass was supposed to be fully integrated back into Ukraine as long as the Ukrainian government didn't order arrest warrants in absence on everyone involved in separatist governments. Guess what happened.
If we were to follow basic street wisdom, then their elite could have at least tried to pretend to not do that until after the integration and then it could safely hunt them down afterwards.

>>512120744 (OP)
Russians are kikes and niggers

>>512120744 (OP)
Ukraine is not Russia. That's what you are missing. He doesn't just get to make "demands" of a sovereign country and kill people if they don't agree.

>>512122482
>>512122606
Sign the contract, John from Ohio oblast

>>512122414
>putin is jewish
If he was you’d have hard proof. Instead you’re left worshipping a jewish crossdresser comedian

>>512122388
>neutrality is when you let american kikes coup your government and then you lock a building full of pro-russian ukrainians and set it on fire
if the ukranny didnt want separatists, they shouldn't have chimped out

>>512122691
>have hard proof
You're denying your eyes, this is next level denial.

>>512122678
>everyone who doesn’t support the Ukraine is a Russian on a VPN
You natofags are a broken record.
Why the memeflag?

>>512122632
then you should be worshiping the ground they walk on because the US exists solely to service kikes and niggers in 2025

>>512122234
you forgot about bringing back the illegitimate russian KGB/FSB "church" with the full authority to dictate to the Ukrainian government which religious organizations are "recognized" and persecuted (as they do it in russia).

>>512122357
wdym learn?

>>512122778
What does that pic prove? You can’t hate Putin for allegedly being jewish while dickriding zelenskike, turd worlder

>>512122790
You are NATO, John from Ohio oblast, are you not? Right, sign the contract

>>512122819
>the illegitimate russian KGB/FSB "church"
This inane shit is exactly why there's a conflict, yeah

>>512120744 (OP)
You're forgetting the face that all the politicians would lose in front of the world.
That's all that's stopping peace, narcissism.

>>512122920
>What does that pic prove?
That he's a kike
>zelenskike,
Nobody defends him. But you're a dishonest kike and can't admit that.

>>512122678
>2 year old video from different phase of war
Yikes

>>512122931
>you are nato
No, I hate you parasites and hope that worthless “alliance” crumbles, you memeflag jew

>>512122814
Our military didn't invade a white country

>>512122996
>it proves he’s jewish
No it doesn’t
>we don’t defend zelenskike
Now that’s a new cope

>>512122819
>with the full authority to dictate to the Ukrainian government which religious organizations are "recognized" and persecuted

right, only people of jewish descent are allowed to do that

>>512123041
The natofags need something to pretend they’re not losing in amazing fashion

>>512122627
>Donbass was supposed to be fully integrated back into Ukraine
sure, sure. pootin wanted Ukraine to hold "elections" in the Donbas while under the russian occupation. There were literal russian FSB operatives with russian citizenship running every aspect of the "local government".

>>512122944
>You don't understand we dictate what can or can't have
It's time to sign the contract

>>512121045
Considering your country was originally trying to take everything east of Kiev, it does seem like an existential conflict that Putin is trying to break down into a series of gradual conquests. First it was Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, next it will be Dnipro, Kharkiv, and Sumy, and so on. Why should Ukrainians give up their independence to be ruled by someone who is responsibly for killing and displacing millions of them?

>>512120744 (OP)
Neutral means remain a puppet state with THEIR politicians running Ukraine.
On paper, neutral, in reality a part of Russia. You can't give orcs even an inch. Fight till death, make them bleed for every inch.

>>512120744 (OP)
lmao gulaghomo is mad

>>512123338
They can do whatever they want in their state, just without Russian population and Russian land

>>512123132
>No it doesn’t
Yes it does, maybe it doesn't in amerimuttia where you don't recognize different people anymore.
>Now that’s a new cope
What do you mean? You can't comprehend that people don't want to be replaced by jewtin and don't like the other jew either?

>>512122944
>This inane shit is exactly why there's a conflict, yeah
yeah, a "church" with no Tomos is by definition is illegitimate. By the way, Stalin created the russian "church" and placed a "patriach in charge" in 1943 because the Germans allowed the Orthodox church back from underground in the occupied territories. The NKVD, KGB FSB has been controlling that "church" ever since, pidor.

>>512123041
>>512123067
>>512123449
It's time for you to sign the contract and then you can dismantle and pretend what is yours or not

>>512120744 (OP)
mongol fight fight fight

>>512121866
>What is neutrality worth if you are going to fuck with your neighbors until they attack you anyways

>>512122010
>smaller
Every country is smaller than Russia
>more religious
Satanic khazars
>whiter
Gypsy-turkish shitskin mutts
>agrarian
Stealing onions from your neighbour agriculture level
>national identity
Doesn't exist aside from seething at Russia

>>512123449
>Russian population and Russian land
kek, was no such thing in Ukraine, pidor, you're just delusional and probably high on your propaganda. Any "russian population" could just pack up the bags and go back to russia anytime, without any hindrance.

>>512120997

>>512122643
>He doesn't just get to make "demands" of a sovereign country and kill people if they don't agree
Globohomo union disagree it seems, due to their full support of recent war against Iran.

You, nafotroons, always lie. Lie is your breathing source.

>>512122819
Why don’t you fags understand there are consciences to losing wars, and that the weak should fear the strong?

>>512121866
now that you BTFO'd me, how about stop turning a blind eye to >>512121771 ?
Assuming you are not afraid that I have a valid point in this thread

>>512122699
That never happened which is why you're hiding behind a memeflag. Yanukovich wanted to sign a trade deal with EU but russia did not want Ukraine to have neutrality so they invaded them

>>512121941
>accept our unconditional terms
Lol lmao is this what diplomacy amounts to in ziggerland?

>>512124003
>Yanukovich wanted to sign a trade deal with EU
He stopped wanting it the moment he understood how much does the deal fuck Ukraine over if it's ever implemented. And it was implemented in 2017 and Ukraine never recovered from it economically.

>>512121621
I personally would give up the land already taken and declare neutrality with the clause that the standing military remains, and a new border is drawn. Neutrality meaning no preference for either Europe or Russia and trade goes either way depending on the better deal. One of Russia's demands is demilitarization, but that one can't stand. The rest I would concede, because peace is generally better. Joining NATO and the .EU isn't really a boon as far as I'm concerned.

>>512124118
You aren't even trying to look at reality before replacing it with memes and headcanon
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

>>512123864
you are just under the delusion that you're strong, but you'll find out in your lifetime, pidor, that that's not the case. This guy also thought at one time the he's "strong".

>>512120997
Implying Ukraine wont start importing billions once the war is over. If they cared about their people they would have surrendered on the first days.

>>512123837
When russia will lose the war, Ukraine will be making glorious war movies where they are the clear good guys and russia will be making misery porn where poor russians(who always hated Putin) were fooled into signing the contract and how all war and everyone is le bad, even Ukraine, thoughts?

>>512124217
>>512124151
So what's stopping you from signing the contract?

>>512121621

> they had 5 years to rebuild its military and advance weapons and also replenish its male population.


this goes for Russia too retard

the only shot Ukraine /West even has is relentlessly mounting pressure on Russia until something gives (economy, politics etc.). By allowing Russia to regroup and recover you're wasting all combined effects of anti-Russian measures so far

>>512124151
>He stopped wanting it the moment he understood how much does the deal fuck Ukraine
no, it was the moment pootin bribed him with the $3 billion.

>>512124151
It's because you invaded, not because they signed the act, it's time for you to sign the contract

ukraine is force conscripting seniors now, they have to take the terms they are getting

>>512124151
That's not what made him stop. He stopped because Russian soldiers started combat operations in the east and he panicked. Then russia took advantage of the chaos to launch a soft invasion via GRU intelligence officers and placed a series of puppets in power (originally agents like Valery Bolotov, but he was shot by the FSB in the Moscow - now they use blackmailed criminal assets like Denis Pushilin).

>>512121771
They never accepted any terms with Crimea and were in official state of war with us since 2014.

>>512120744 (OP)
(((NATO's))) war in the Ukraine is yet another jewish ritual mass murder event. Another goyim death march. A ritual human sacrifice to Lord Moloch.

>>512124252
Thanks that really helps me understand!! You excited for the new avengers?

>>512120744 (OP)
Yes
Putin (the bustard son of Beria via rape) also asks for
Territory that wasnt russian and is not inhabited by russians
That Ukraine will always be a russian puppet

>>512121273
Holy shit you're a Frenchman saying that? You've already been replaced.

>>512124490
>any terms with Crimea
there's no "terms" with the Crimea, it's an internationally recognized Ukrainian territory, temporarily occupied by pidorussia.

>>512121045
Death to Russians, see you at the battle of meggido

>>512124630
Read the post I'm replying to to understand what I mean.

>>512122234
>Bucha
NAFO troon detected

ALL HOHOLS MUST DIE, ALL NAFO MUST DIE.

simple as. as long as it takes.

>>512120744 (OP)
Ok we got it.

>>512121683
Cant wait for ww3
Hope ill see you in a webm on 4chanz

>Ukraine recognizes that the Russian territories of Ukraine which Russia has already annexed and who everyone knows will stay Russian territories, are part of Russia
They didnt even conquer all of it

after hoholoid trannies sunniggers are next. i just cant wait for global war of purirfication. kikes, nafoids, all shall burn

>>512124490
>>512124713
>>512124742
Ok, but when are you gonna sign the contract?

>>512121825
I have more sympathy for niggers than I have for yous
I still remember fondly how our army killed millions of yous animals

>>512124785
i will personally come to burn romania. ill bury you alive, youre a disgusting nation of gypsies and whores

>>512124855
Never, of course. Why?

>>512122102
Putin is literally Beria's bustard obtained via rape
Putin is Jewish on both sides of his lineage

>>512122234
Is that a boomer?

>>512124909
That's very unpatriotic. What are you going to tell the SMO veterans when they eventually return home?

>>512124855
memeflag nigger my contract is to come from behind you

>>512125009
I do not plan to interact with any participants of SMO.

>>512123533
>the memeflag has nothing beyond what it’s script says

>>512124545
>You excited for the new avengers?
hey, why does "the strong" russia always treats their disabled veterans like shit?

>>512124291
Holy hell, no wonder you use a memeflag you ESL shitskin

>>512122357
Both zelensky and putin are kikes
The plan is to clear Ukraine for Jewish "heavenly Jerusalem " and kill as many ruskies as possible to facilitate a Muslim takeover of Russia
I denounce Ukraine AND Russia

>>512125042
>>512125085
>>512125192
But there is a little problem, John from Ohio oblast, you still haven't signed the contract

>>512122388
Girkin is the same nigger that pulled the exact shit in Moldova in 1991

>>512120950
k troon

>>512125068
>I do not plan to interact with any participants of SMO.
but they surely plan to interact with you, when that money they get paid now dries up ;-)

>>512121771
>crimea
Leaders of "maidan" aka CIA coup, were clear what they will renounce all agreements made by Yanukovich, russian navy stationing in Crimea also.

Yulia Timoshenko: Agreements with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet may be cancelled
02/18/2011
If power changes in Ukraine, Kyiv will cancel agreements on extending the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. This forecast was given by Ukrainian former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.
Arseniy Yatsenyuk:
29.07.2013
The chairman of the Batkivshchyna faction, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, said yesterday that only Ukrainian naval forces should be based in Crimea. "I consider the signing and ratification of the "Kharkiv agreements" to be one of the key mistakes of the current president. This is an unconstitutional, anti-state and anti-Ukrainian step. Only Ukrainian naval forces should be based in Sevastopol." Mr. Yatsenyuk told journalists after the ceremonial events to mark the 1025th anniversary of the Baptism of Rus.
Andrey Parubiy:
may 2012
"I am convinced that one of the first laws, when the opposition takes the majority in the Rada in the fall, should be the denunciation of the Kharkiv agreements. At each session I introduce a corresponding bill to denounce the Kharkiv agreements."

>>512125274
You retards need to stay in your containment thread

>>512121045
you're literally murdering and raping them and trying to dismantle their entire government and their ability rule their own nation. of course its existential

>>512125417
I don't get it.

>>512122996
Adoptive parents, putin is Beria's son (bastard)

>>512125472
>murdering and raping is le bad
why do you sound like a bleeding heart liberal, hanrej?

>>512125485
because you are a low IQ moron and can't predict the consequences of your actions

>>512121621
a win for everybody but the psychopathic oligarchs and geopolitical engineers who are using the war as a means of moving ahead their process of reshaping the world system to their benefit

>>512125472
thats what they did. it should be dismantled, theyre a hostile next-door power, they should be erased.

>>512120744 (OP)
Why would he be....

>>512125472
Changing the government wasn't even a part of the Istanbul agreement. The Israeli leader that participated in the talks said that Russia was willing to make major concessions on every topic except on neutrality for Ukraine.

>>512125621
you poor poor burger

>>512125190
>always
You’re pathetic
A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control.

>>512124894
My grandfathers killed dozens of yous and personally executed partisans
You can suck my cock
Ill see you in a webm, hopefully sawn in half by a grenade

>>512125426
Except you invaded while Yanukovich was still the president, so when did the coup happen? When you were already in Crimea? Keep lying and sign the contract
>>512125468
Ok, but you should sign the contract

>>512125815
your grandpa was a cuck that kept his head down for 50 years like a dirty lil faggot, youll see me in person with a flamethrower burning you out of your rathole

>>512125774
>man..man.. dangerous..
Dr. Peterson, is that you here? And yes, ALWAYS

>>512125610
>>murdering and raping is le bad
Yes.
Why do you cry and scream with such fervor when Ukrainians drop drones on Russian soldiers?

>>512125828
you must die. its that simple. theres no deals no nothing. you have to die. this is what u wanted, its what you will get. its what you deserve.

>>512125774
a supposedly "strong" russia can't eve provide basic wheelchairs for their cripple veterans for the last 120 years, even in the 21st century, you retard.

>>512120744 (OP)
Why would Putin lose face to trump? He knows he’s a pushover

>>512126054
Ok, but can you sign the contract?

>>512120744 (OP)
They want Ukraine to act as their economic gateway, a buffer zone in case direct trade is too difficult or complicated

>>512125946
He took odessa executed dozens of partisans and ended up in the kalmuck stepped. He was evacuated from crimea in 1944 and died in his bed in 2018.
Hahahahhahahahahahah

>>512120744 (OP)
Switzerland doesn't sit on rich mineral deposits or the second largest reserves of natural gas in Europe ( after Russia ).
That's what the war has always been about.
If the Russians get their hands on those gas reserves they become an energy monopoly for Europe, basically forever. If you Krauts get your hands on them ( by supporting Ukraine, keeping a puppet president in power, and "rebuilding" ( i,e taking control in all but name ) after the war then you gain energy independence in the form of cheap reliable gas. Basically forever. That's why you are rearming. Not becasue Russia poses a credible threat to you but becasue its not giving up in Ukraine. Its also why you and your European cronies were so pissed when Trump got into the act by sniping mineral rights in exchange for aid. Yeah, you wanted all that shit for yourselves.
"Realpolitik" is a concept invented by you guys. Its surprising how many of you are so ignorant of its meaning.

>>512126203
i signed the contract nigger, now what? they sent me to psyop division.

>>512126022
Because it's not okay for countries like Slavic shitholes like Ukraine, Poland, Serbia to resist Russia, Germany and Austria-Hungary

>>512125774
why do the "heroes" have to push themselves around in furniture moving dollies in the "strong" russia?

>>512126303
and then he lived like a faggot for 50 years hiding and shittin his pants.

>>512126402
Now we both know that is not true

>>512124003
>That never happened
>Being this new that you never followed the Maidan protests and post-fallout of Ukraine's political insurrection efforts directed under John McCain and that ugly subhuman half-slav-Jew boxer retard

Keep lurking, newfag.

>>512120744 (OP)
Shitzerland is finished

>>512125946
No need to waste time in arguing with gypsies, this attention of yours would only help them to steal your wallet or horses.

Our grandpas always told us what these gypsies were weak faggots, who could obly rob and bully civilians, but were easily crushed by russian chads. No wonder what they were despised by their own "allies" aka germs. Incredibly dishonorable people.

>>512126639
its more maneuverable. you cant squeeze in there with a wheelchair.

>>512126141
>>512126639
Seething faggot, you are your mothers child

>>512126694
>John from Quebec oblast pretends he knew anything about Ukraine, especially 2014
It's time to sign the contract

>>512126668
come get your "missing" stop avoiding the tally

>>512127045
I'm still waiting when you will sign the contract

>>512120744 (OP)
>Ukraine become neutral
We tried that already and it didn't work
>Ukraine recognizes that the Russian territories of Ukraine which Russia has already annexed
Russia's demands scale with their ability. They wouldn't have marched on Kiev if your statement was true.
>they will adopt something like Switzerland's neutrality - a move that brought the Swiss 200yrs of peace and made it the richest, non-microstate country in the world per capita?
Switzerland is a small mountain fortress, basically the opposite of Ukraine. You live in Lalaland. Grow up.

>>512126657
Nope. Why would he hide anywhere nigger. He returned to his village where he married and had 3 children, one of them being my mother.
He was proud of what he did and he always talked about the war fondly saying that it wasnt that bad.
The only thing he complained about was the cold in the winter
Never regreted killing russians and said that they deserved it
Seems to me you're projecting what happened to your family lmao
Death to Russians and east slavs in general (sans poles and Belarusians)

western poland should be given back to eastern Germany

>>512127250
Most of russia should be given back to Mongols, let them sort out their rape babies

>>512126743
i aint never met a decent romani other than the tranny hungarians

>>512126743
Your mother is a gipsy

>>512120744 (OP)
>Ukraine become neutral
The thing is, Russia has a different definition of neutral than you might expect. It's called Finlandization, named after our post-WW2 relationship all the way to the collapse of the USSR.

>>512127021
Lmfao damn nigger nice projection.

You still have to go back and kill yourself, however.

>>512127245
he didnt talk about shit lmao, he was afraid that any day theyd figure him out and come find him stop lyin

>>512127330
>if we hold real still Igor, Ukrainians might think we’re dead

>>512127451
yes, russian shills omit that neutral means a russian puppet

You should look more closer into historical Kharkov Agreements, what nullified all russian concerns about the Hruckraine.

>25 years prolongation of navy base, with automatic prolongation under certain, easily achieved conditions.

But globohomo funded political powers in the Hruckraine hysterically wanted to renounce it. Why? Because while russian navy base is in the Hruckraine, Hruckraine cannot join NATO. This is why they wanted russian navy gone by 2017, when old agreement is no longer works.

>>512127192
youre avoding your "geroyim" so you can count them as missing and not as dead in your copenumber reports. thats pretty fuckin dishonorable, but then again, thats the kind of nation that you are. youre not even a nation anymore with half the people gone, youre just a junta to be deposed, tried and hung for treason.

>>512127557
you play empire too stop crying, the US beat you in cloak and dagger
then you flipped the table and used force

>>512127509
Coming for him for what nigger? He was honorable discharged and went back to his villag and lived his life until 2018.
Are you illiterate?
He also got a pension for it and after 1990 he even got an extra pension because "he suffered" during the war
The art of the deal with it nigger

>>512120997
so is jewlensky
its all jewish theater
only china is uncontrolled by jews but they are already a jewish adjacent race due to their behavior and scheming

>>512127557
Nice fairytale, Merkel and French president were saying to Putin before and after the invasion that Ukraine will never be in NATO, not anymore, enjoy longer NATO border in the near future, but you will have bigger problems than a neighboring defensive alliance and things that will impact you and your family directly, you can't stop it anymore and even if you could you don't have the balls to act

>>512126303
you might want to revise those dates you're lying about there, bud.
I actually had a GREAT grandfather fighting in WW2, how the fuck is your grandfather in WW2, how old are you, 50 ?

>>512127656
>geroyim
Nice word you learnt, John from Ohio oblast, maybe explain it to others what it means? You clearly non VPN using shill?

>>512120744 (OP)
Ukraine was already neutral in 2014 when the Russian animals invaded Crimea and Donbas and started a war, you brainless dipshit.
Russian animals ALWAYS lie, Putin just wants time to regroup and try invading all of Ukraine again.

>>512127830
you lived for 50 years under commies, you couldnt say shit stop lyin, your gramps lies through his teeth about what he did

>>512127893
ukraine is force conscripting 60 year olds now
that is an honest signal that the war is over, the question is only how it is being wound down

>>512120744 (OP)
Ukraine doesn't want to agree to that, so there is no peace

>>512128131
Ok, but Helmut from Bavaria oblast when are you gonna sign the contract? Since it is ending soon, you should get your 7 million

>>512124785
Just like the ukraine today, you, as other brown will ordered to meat wave Russian positions only to die and be immediately forgotten. RIght now Russians are killing 20 to 1 against entire NATO supporting 1.5 million of pig mutts, imagine what sort of equipment you will have if its an army of 20 mil. If dying from a white man is not your goal in life, its better to remember what barbaric brown savages are not in terms of having any sort of leverage to their words.

>>512127973
I'm 51
Not everyone is a broccoli head zoomer

>>512128483
>nigger is 50
>zoomer
Nigger you're genetically dead.

>>512128009
hey retard from retard oblast, get a new script youre boring

>>512128416
my grandfather was named helmut he worked on a train during WWII, sorting mail

>>512125472
That's what we should do for killing even one Russian, as million of brown mongrels lifes not worth a hair from a single Russian, but for some reason we still treating these arabo-mongol mongrels as only half cattle. Subhumans should know their place or they will continue to chimp out.

>>512128421
Youre the brown one nigger

>>512128421
>Russians are dying 20 to 1
fixed it for you Ivan, it's time to sign that contract and get your mummy those 7 million

>>512128527
I'm not young, thats true, but still kicking

>>512128559
My great grandfather was in the SS

>>512128572
didnt putin say ukrainans were russians?

>>512128584
can you stop the bullshit kiev kevin? ukraine is going for 60+ year old seniors now
this is an honest signal that ukraine lost anything other than this admission is retarded

>>512128574
You can't be serious of being from a half shitskinned country against purest northern whites in the world. Russians are genetic elite, you just a step above lowest of browns, even with not mixed with gypsies directly. Be real, ffs, even for 80iq its too much of a delusion.

>>512128421
112,500 Russian subhuman invaders killed in the meat grinder in Ukraine since the beginning of 2025.
Russia lost already.
Bombing sleeping children in apartment buildings in Kyiv will not change the fact that after 4 years of Russia's failed war, Ukraine still stands and the current frontline has barely moved.

>>512128787
It's Kyiv, apologize

>>512128884
propaganda BS, its time to sober up
>>512128787

>>512128920
sorry Kyiv Kevin

>>512128884
Russia lost lesds than 100k for entiretime while killing more than 1.5 million in return. Just because Trump is citing ukranian sources as a gospel doesn't mean they are even 1% based in reality, its always lying mongolmutts after all. One sight at how hrukros are dying 100+ at once from a single Russian rockets daily is enough to draw an accurate conclusion how this war going for anyone with an iq over 90.

>>512129164
>Russia lost lesds than 100k for entiretime while killing more than 1.5 million in return
There are over 100k on www.poteru.net alone
Why don't you just sign the contract? Free money

>>512129164
You have to die for niggers, pidor, the matriarch commands it.

>>512129518
>Another noname cite working for USAIDs money, sure
As for a contract, for me even 5% of dying is too much of a risk, Russia life worth too much to throw it like that, let adrenaline junkies to that to themselves. I support only civic resolution of this conflict by killing everyone there with chemical and nuclear weapons. Look at this pic, 400k ukros alone are rotting in the fields and these are outside of officially buried troops and only those who have relative and only these who choose to pursue their whereabouts. No matter of technicalities, Russian and the ukranian casualties are incomparable, its not even ten times, much much worse for them as you would expect from a country kidnapping their own citizens from streets.

>>512120950
Careful, Mykola. Your immigrant visa is expiring soon and you'll be sent to the frontlines to be killed by ziggers.

Russia doesn’t care about the US, in fact nobody does, it’s a fading power and that’s a very bitter pill for them to swallow

>>512129882
>much much worse
Correct, but for russians, keep kvetching

>>512120744 (OP)
Ahm no? How's it to read his book nigger? But captchs got it. For me. For us all. Your are a picrel.

>>512128030
Ok faggot
They didnt let 1 million people in Donetsk vote in the Poroshenko election. Not very neutral

>>512124752
Let Putin do whatever he wants in Europe. Like Chamberlain blessed Hitler .

>>512120744 (OP)
It doesn't include anything to prevent Russia from invading after recouping it's losses. You'd have to be retarded to accept that deal
>you have to adopt neutrality meaning nobody can give you military aid, especially NATO
>you have to let us freeze the borders at the current state (plus some more since we don't completely control the annexed territory)
>in 10 years we can just do it again
Hell, the otherside is offering the same or nearly the same land concessions but doesn't include the Ukranian isolation and usually includes a DMZ but Russia won't accept that, meaning the current land isn't even the goal, it's clearly the complete isolation of Ukraine which only serves to weaken them for a future land grab.

>>512128806
Cool story nigger
I proved that my skin is white
My iq is in the 130-140 range
Worthless niggers like you i hire to mow my lawn

>>512123435
Why should I give a shit? At this point Russia could drop in to Washington DC and I would cheer them on from the sidelines.

>>512131246
see
>>512131242
>>512124752

Neutral just means prolonged war like 2014, I don't give a shit about slavs killing each other, but from Ukraines pov that part has to be enough to warrant not agreeing, maybe if Ukraine was allowed to join NATO or its own alliance to defend against Russia it can stand the territory loss, or visa versa but Russia asking for both is too much.

>>512121704
Then I rather have Ukraine dies because this is much less of an issue for geopolitical stability and with regard to the proliferation of weapon grade radioactive material that could end up in the hands of religious fanatics. I'm having a good life, I'm not suicidal like many others here who would like to see the world burn.

>>512121195
Either you support a nuclear power's right to intervene in a country when that country refuses to recognize the independence referendums of a break away state or you support a nuclear power's right to intervene in a country when that country refuses to recognize the independence referendums of a break away state
which one is it retarded Indonesia?

>>512121771
Crimea was an Autonomous Republic predominantly inhabited by Russians and the Ukrainian Nazi militia threatened to exterminate all Russians. It was clearly a preemptive humanitarian intervention when "local security forces" hired by the Crimean government disarmed Ukrainian soldiers, even mostly peacefully.

>>512120744 (OP)
>make retarded IMA NOOK threats
>Trump says "try it faggot and see what happens"
>say you're not swayed by war ultimatum
Genius.

>>512132940
Regardless total death to Russia and Russians
Simple as

>>512120744 (OP)
>Is the only thing that stands in the way of piece a declaration by Ukraine that they will adopt something like Switzerland's neutrality - a move that brought the Swiss 200yrs of peace and made it the richest, non-microstate country in the world per capita?
Did Switzerland disarm and allow belligerent neighbors to invade them for that to happen?

>>512120744 (OP)

>>512120744 (OP)
Putin will do it like Lula.

>>512121419
>>512122388
Wholy fcking chirst you are retarded.
Dumbass Ukraininans were fcked by the west, US, UK and NATO who faked every single attempt to have any agreement and told jewlensky to not have any agreements.
So what we have right now is to the last hohol.

>>512120744 (OP)
>b. Ukraine recognizes that the Russian territories of Ukraine which Russia has already annexed and who everyone knows will stay Russian territories, are part of Russia
Russia does not fully control even a single one of those four territories they've annexed. You're missing that part.

>>512120744 (OP)
Putin got killed 1Mega Russians for no reason. Shouldn't that give this 5'2'' manlet a boner for the rest of his life? What else does he demand, better shoe lifts?

>>512121683
You retards scrapped the Budapest memorandum when you tried to poison the opposition in 2005 for not being pro Russian enough. That's an act of war in itself and should have been considered as such at the time.
Putin is now into his 5th war in 25 years and his shills (you) have the audacity to tell anyone else to be neutral.

>>512120744 (OP)
The US will throw the EU under the bus when the it's time. The United States has a history of abandoning allies when it suits its interests, aka South Vietnam,Afghanistan, Syria. Poland (1945), lebanon 84, cambodia, Iraq.....

>>512136198
LPR is secure
Cope and seethe

>>512123502
How do you know this, fed?
Because Stalin was flushing CIA agents that you, feds, sent to Russia?

>>512120744 (OP)
>Am I missing something here?
the fact that Ukraine was neutral all the time and only ever tried to become part of NATO after it was attacked in 2014 by russia

>>512120744 (OP)
Imagine this. I burst through the door of your house and rape your mother. Then I tell you since I raped her she isn't girlfriend, so now I get to take the living room couch to sleep on and you have to accept this if you want me not to rape your sister next. It's that simple chud,do t you want piece?

>>512124373
In Reality, US gov is getting billion $ bribes.
Lobbying is legal in US and Food and Big Pharma lobby literally bribe US gov with billions of $ every year.
Of course this is impossible in Russia.

>>512121941
>There are multiple ways to work things out diplomatically. The last thing you want to do is reject diplomacy, which Ukraine literally did because they believed they have the white massa's power behind their back.
vatniggers don't do diplomacy if they wanted a diplomatic solution they'd've stopped killing civilians your fucking subhuman scum.

>>512136600
why is genocide bad? the US is committing one right now

>>512136347
These are all internally fractured countries or civil wars. You can only do so much. Stop hoping for some all seeing protector. We're not God. These were people who can't fix their own shit and meet even halfway in improving their own lives.

>>512136600
They can't do anything at all. Absolutely worthless country. It's been 3 decades since the end of the Cold War and there's not a single thing Russians are known for that's important. Not in tech, sciences, art, nothing. All they know how to do is military related shit. And not even well. It's just meatwaves.

>>512136284
>the opposition
The opposition to what, memeflag? Le ebil dictatorship that needed to be overthrown in favor of le good democracy?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa
>This article is more than 20 years old
It's the same method they do everywhere across Europe. Victimize the "good" guys and demonize the "bad" guys, demanding to redo the elections until the "good" guy wins. Three-round elections in a two-round system is totally fine, goyim.
>le memorandum
Helsinki accords (the original memorandum, Budapest memorandum being the offshoot of it) had all signatories pledge to not intervene in internal affairs of sovereign states. All of this has been thrown out of the window by all sides long ago.
>>512136600
Checked.
No idea why low info niggers like you even bother with these non sequiturs.

>>512137131
>not a single thing Russians are known for that's important.
Then why did they have to feed and supply our stranded astonauts?
Faggot

>>512137286
>The opposition to what, memeflag? Le ebil dictatorship that needed to be overthrown in favor of le good democracy?
Democracy would actually improve YOU specifically. Like I said here >>512137131, you guys aren't worth a single shit about anything. And it's mostly because of that dictator who's only obsessed with Russian's power status (power in only one way too...just military). Whatever chances your country had at the times there was a little democracy are squandered now. All of the business opportunities that'd help Russia actually grow, all of the entrepreneurs, your artists and musicians, all of it is just shat on for this one dude. And you still defend him. lol

>>512120744 (OP)
a. Neutral as in no defense so Russia can come in for seconds.

b. Recognizing the annexations means it's easier for Russia to come in for more. I doubt they'd give that up easily. Maybe Crimea or even the Donbas is unavoidable but you'd only see that offered if they get an actual defense treaty that will keep Putin out.

You are missing something. Switzerland is very small and easily defensible and surrounded by countries who aren't interested in invading them while Russia has historically conquered and owned Ukraine and subjected it to a lot of Russification. To convince Russia to stop would require quite a lot and it's not only about Ukraine but also about Moldova, Georgia and Kazakhstan that could become targets so Russia don't want to make resistance to their imperialism seem possible. Either you accept being conquered or you will suffer and die and then be conquered.

>>512137431
That's politics, retard. Not logistics. Blame Democrats specifcally. Musk offered to help during Biden's admin, and they rejected him simply out of spite.

>>512137754
> You are missing something. Switzerland is very small and easily defensible and surrounded by countries who aren't interested in invading

Germany was interested invading.

If Ukraine gives up the Russian territories, it could likely defend the smaller Ukraine.

>>512137712
>Democracy would actually improve YOU specifically
Maybe but that could be said about a lot of countries, yours included. What your world was ever offering was never a democracy.

>>512138478
>There is no democracy in russia
>Therefore there is no democracy anywhere
Lol

>>512122388
fuck off nigger, they were not neutral since 2014 before Crimea was lost, don't play pretend and revision what happened

>>512139165
>Since 2014
>Before Crimea
So from January 2014 till February 2014? So they weren't neutral for 1 month? Stupid vatnik, your lies are funny, but you have no self awareness, a literal lolcow

>>512122358
pol was right again

>>512120950

>>512121195
>You can't be neutral with russia
Sending soldiers to help chechens diring chechen war is not neutral. Participating in NATO programs is not neutral.

>>512124752
Whoa!!! Picture look same but different people!!! That must mean they same!!!
You fucking jewish jeets don't even fucking try anymore. No wonder everyone thinks that you are subhuman

>>512120744 (OP)
Ukraine lost like 20% of its farmland, I'm surprised Putin is willing to negotiate at all, I thought he would drag it out until he was able to get like 40 or 50% he's rather close to doing just that.

>>512140550
6 million NATO troops died in Ingushetia, never forget, I'm sure you have lots of proof and pictures and foreign testimonies and documents and videos but I won't ask for them, since I really believe your words.

>>512120744 (OP)
You are missing a brain.

>>512120744 (OP)
>a move that brought the Swiss 200yrs of peace and made it the richest, non-microstate country in the world per capita?
No, Die Schätze der Bergjuden stem from banking, what else even?

>>512136284
>Budapest memorandum
Non-binding.
>tried to poison the opposition in 2005
Why did Yushenko refused to give his blood sample to neutral medical laboratory?

Now, after the documents about Obama and Hillary forging evidence about "russian collusion" are out, we know that WESTKEKS ALWAYS LIE. Always. They always lie and always blame Russia for their own failures.

>>512142041
If it's not binding then give the nukes back.
Also why didn't you sign the contract?

>>512140616

>>512140616
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

>>512142557
This was a one time mistake. We won't fall for it again

>>512142299
Sure, after Ukraine returns to pre-memorandum state. We will deploy nukes on the territory of Ukraine.

>>512142732
The only way that will happen is if you personally sign the contract, so will you? Or did you pee your pants?

>>512142732

Before the war ends, you will be working in a Chinese sweatshop.

Itt putinbots concern trolling