Why do christcucks keep insisting that the Shroud of Turin is real making all kinds of excuses why carbon-14 dating is wrong even tough their own holy book proves that the Shroud is fake because Jewish zombie was wrapped in strips of linen and not in the single piece of shroud?

John 20:6-7
New International Version

Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.

Shroud of Turin image matches low-relief statue—not human body, 3D modeling study finds
https://phys.org/news/2025-08-shroud-turin-image-relief-statue.html

>>512121660 (OP)
There are things about the shroud that defy all logic. Instead of trying to understand them, we get kikes trying to say it's all bogus and needs to be ignored. Not trying to say that it's proof of the divine, but it makes people start asking questions.

Every religion is on the same level as comic book lore. All of them hinge on fake and gay artifacts and historical events that didn't happen.

reminder to any Christians who opened this thread not to respond to it..

move along. put your energy into redpilling christians who arent aware of scofield reference bible and other kikery. go tweet some boomer church grandma on twitter a video of jews spitting on Christians or something. you get the point.


these dumb threads are popping up more and more. when you acknowledge them and respond it motivates them to make more. they get off on you wasting your time with them because they are not listening to anything you say.


stupid kikes

>>512122033
>still seething over comic book from 2000 years ago

>>512121924
>There are things about the shroud that defy all logic
Not really

>>512122211
>they are not listening to anything you say.
You have nothing of value to say

oh nono jew worshiper bros what lie and deflection can we say to keep people loving rabbi yeshua??

>>512121852
>meanwhile in reality

>>512121660 (OP)
Jesus is real

Because they are low IQ golems

>>512122211
>redpilling christians
Lol
Lmao
You can't be red pilled and worship a jew

>>512121660 (OP)
>—
written by chatgpt
another bot creating a thread

>>512121660 (OP)
lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLnCIp3OVmE
jew cope is the best part about /pol.
anyone here seeing how you fiends hate Christ makes him even more prevalent and powerful.
So thank you for strengthening my faith.
And all those in the audience.
lololololol

>>512121660 (OP)
Because it has never been debunked by modern science and the C-dating to 12th century is itself easily debunked due to how unreliable C-dating is on handled objects. Lmao even Chatgpt admits the shroud has never been debunked.

>>512123157
>So thank you for strengthening my faith.
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>512123204
>missed the part where forensics debunks it or other new testing
Lol

>>512123204
>Lmao even Chatgpt admits the shroud has never been debunked
That's not what your pic says

>>512121660 (OP)
Wait a second…

>>512121660 (OP)
i hate jews so fucking much

>>512121660 (OP)
>They defeated modern forensics on ACCIDENT, goy!

>>512121660 (OP)
>Tranny jew hating Christ
Every sunday you get uppity demon?

very conveniently placed and elongated hands and arms there, king of the jews

>>512123334
Lmao go ahead and elaborate
>>512123415
Oh yea where does it say the shroud was debunked?

>>512122471
Dirt and limestone from Jerusalem. Pollen also from Jerusalem specifically from late spring. No known method for creating the light burn marks that compose the image other than a massive dose of radiation, which does not typically come from dead bodies.

>>512123232
but not the audience I gather.
lol

>>512121660 (OP)
>Why do christcucks
because they believe
look sun shines grass grows and retards drool alright you can't cure faith once it's properly festering, they either fight it off on their own or they are just like that now, deconstructing any individual belief system won't fix them, they're fucked now, got a hole in their mind that demands to be filled with 'meaning' or 'purpose' driving them to just believe in some other retarded thing if you break one narrative they jump to another, they don't abandon the narrative bullshit just cos one strand broke

>>512123759
Also if it is fake they are claiming someone faked it in the 12th century despite it being impossible to even replicate the effect in the 21st century

>>512121660 (OP)
Israel is doing damage control. Whatever is being said is obviously incorrect, and that's indicated by the volume of shilling against it. Why? If it was fake Kikes wouldnt care.

>>512123814
>t. Midwit who concludes before researching because of new social consensus

>>512123814
yeah, protestantism has done wonders for the jew bong.
wonders.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

>>512123157

>>512123735
>>>512123334 (You) #
>Lmao go ahead and elaborate
Read the article in the OP

>>512123735
>Oh yea where does it say the shroud was debunked?
Right where it says
>no consensus.
Here is a different AI see pic.

Also it's inconsistent with scripture

>>512123879
because either way it doesn't mean much
either it's fake in which case nothing changes the believers will believe it
or
it's real and corroborates the existence of the monotheistic cult leader most historians assume is the secondary basis of the jesus stories

everyone involved is long dead and the answer doesn't change anything for me, it is less interesting that the schizo shit i will see in this thread if it doesn't die the death

>>512123759
See>>512124120

>>512123765
>audience I gather.
Which is no one

>>512123955
you want to try that again? making even less sense than me ffs

>>512121660 (OP)
There are thousands of other burial shrouds, but none of them have any imprints.

There's partial fiber shading at the molecular level which is impossible to fake with medieval art supplies.

There's dust with pollen from the exact areas mentioned in the route to Golgotha

The cloth draped over the face and body. The gravity of the shroud was pressed against the skin because the body was levitating and flashing with x-ray light.

>>512121660 (OP)
I think the bigger question is why these threads are coming every day

Meanwhile:
> lost me at NIV

>>512123735
>definitively debunked
a negative hasn't been proven? wow

>>512124271
if the third part is true then it isn't from ol joshua being that the places mentioned in his stories didn't exist/weren't established till a century after his death in the case of the widest gap
judea during the monotheistic wars/uprising was a sandy broken shithole with a tiny spread out population and little to no agriculture
no pollen for jesus, if pollen then it's a later death

>>512124271
>The gravity of the shroud was pressed against the skin because the body was levitating and flashing with x-ray light.

ahh yes, that must be it

>>512124507
>>512124120
>>512124154
>A negative hasn't been proven
This is some grade A copium lmao. The FACT of the matter is the Shroud is still a mystery. Has never been recreated. Cannot be explained and is still being studied. Even the actual sceptics (you know real scientists not you clowns) admit they have no idea.

>>512121660 (OP)
>Another thread about this
>Another OP seething about Jesus
>N-no I'm not a kike, you are a kike! You worship a kike!

Lmao, every time.

>>512124638
If you read the account of the crucifixion, Jesus was arrested and walked all across town to see different judges, pharisees, sadducees, and governor Pilot.
Jesus had already walked like 3-4 miles around town (plenty of comparative pollen samples) before they whipped him and made him carry the cross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWWK4mFG99M&ab_channel=BiblicalTimelines


>>512124690
Yes, I said there's no other burial cloth like it on earth. Something supernatural and light-related happened to the burial cloth in order to create the 3D photo negative.

>>512124850
>lmao. The FACT of the matter is the Shroud is still a mystery
Not really. It doesn't even match biblical accounts lol
>>512124850
>Cannot be explained
It has
>>512124850
>actual sceptics (you know real scientists not you clowns) admit they have no idea
Also incorrect

>>512121660 (OP)
Why even concern yourself with this cargo cult bullshit?
Anyone who willingly follows an organized religion is a peasant at best. Anyone near the head of a religion is a conman, a narcissist, or a control freak. Its all manufactured bullshit to exert control and extract money. With all the hypocrisy, deceit, lies, manipulation, and treachery that entails.

The fact that organized religion and churches, including voodoo crap like the Shroud, even exist in this day is just further proof than the vast majority of Humanity never really moved out of the dark ages.

>>512125163
>Yes, I said there's no other burial cloth like it on earth
Because it's fake lol

>>512125001
yes brown people love heyzoos. we know this. move along joao

>>512125236
Believe whatever you want. This reality is a test of faith. You have to possess some amount of faith in order to pass the test of life. Do you have faith the bank will process your paycheck? LOL our financial system is built off people's tendency toward faith.
If you're a pure empiricist, God will find other ways to give you a reality check.

>>512125507
>You have to possess some amount of faith in order to pass the test of life.
I don't religious faith. Cool if you do
>>512125507
>Do you have faith the bank will process your paycheck?
Nope. I have reasonable expectations. Much different than "faith"

>>512124638
You're an idiot. They were in the garden of gethsemene the night before he was crucified.

if you place a cloth over a face, let it imprint, and then lay it flat, it's not going to look like a perfect face. it should look wide and distorted and something like this.

>>512122211
checked
based
all fields

>>512124638
Just shut up. Christ, you're so disingineous , it hurts. You're either a troll an outright imbecile

Arguing with christcucks is like arguing with bots. It doesn't matter what arguments you make, you'll still just get the same few formulaic responses.
>there's nothing they HATE more than christianity
>you're jewish!
>denounce the talmud!
>christ is king!
They never actually address anything you say. It's completely pointless to engage with them.

>>512121660 (OP)
The only thing worse than a Christcuck is the anti-Christcucks that can't just let these weak people cling to their fantasy.

>>512124220
Lol, I known bong.
Perhaps even all of us know.

>>512126466
>christcucks
This is the litmus test that most of you lack a soul and are just NPCs. For real, I imagine your smug face when uttering this christcuck, but is such an assinine , mundane word, you literally repeat it like a fucking parrot , lmao. It's not even a funny word, you could've come up with way more crafty insults, but what to expect from literal atheistic subhumans

>>512123814
Read Deuteronomy 28 and then get back to me about narrative bullshit

>>512126466
pic related nullifies adam greenberg's entire "career"

>>512125185
k just keep lying

>>512126777
>christcucks
>This is the litmus test that most of you lack a soul and are just NPCs
Same thing when you goons calm others kikes or jew

>>512126777
yeah antichrist shills can't meme, which is a sign that they're NPC's.
They love AI slop, making retarded reddit insults like "christcuck" and "chrigger."
oh well

>>512126859
Lying about?

>>512121660 (OP)
if anyone is interested, this is by far the best video i have ever seen about the shroud of turin, i cannot recommend it enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbuG-oVq1Q

>>512126876
>calm
Call*

>>512126466
because Yahweh is holding a gun to their head so everything they do is under coercion. if you believe you will face eternal hellfire and damnation for rejecting christ then you will do everything you are told

>>512126876
>muh poor kikes
Wtf are you even trying to say you dumb kike? Grats on outing yourself filthy jew

>>512121660 (OP)
>Why do christcucks keep insisting that the Shroud of Turin is real
Who does that? Even the catholic church says it's not real, just a piece of art.

>>512126777
>the digits
jews, pagans and atheists for science™ in shambles

>>512127031
>you dumb kike?
Just like I said too.
>>512126876
Lmao

>>512123834
We can't replicate v2 engine or the crematorium tech of Nazi Germany.
Technology can be lost with time.

>>512126992
>yahweh is holding a gun to their head
You could use a gun to your head, you decrepit homosexual

>>512125739
If you have reasonable expectations that a financial system held together with paperclips and chewing gum will keep paying you fairly - then my brand of faith doesn't seem so far-fetched.

>>512125967
yes that's in OPs link

>>512126466
its a way for mixed race anons feel part of the team

>>512122211
>move along. put your energy into redpilling christians
>Yes, goyim, gnore an open, honest, robust dialogue that challenges incredulous long held beliefs and excites logic and observance of provable facts and reality
Your the kike

>>512127285
>If you have reasonable expectations that a financial system held together with paperclips and chewing gum will keep paying you fairly
I do. It's been doing it every Friday since I've worked there. Amd if it doesn't then it's a temporary issue because either they made a mistake and I get back pay or I seek legal action amd still get paid lol.

>>512127285
>then my brand of faith doesn't seem so far-fetched.
It does.

>>512127430
if you're in control of your own life, you probably don't feel like you need a higher power.
then, ironically, when something is out of your control you wish you could appeal to a higher power.
but since you can't muster faith in Jesus the redeemer, why should you be eligible for a supernatural gift such as eternal life?

>>512121660 (OP)
>We are saved by grace through faith
>Dude here is the literal proof!!
Fuck off Christtards

>>512121660 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R03Hdgzwxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGf2_Gj7Xc

>>512127208
and that's exactly how a cult member would lash out. you are brainwashed

people confuse the fact that jesus was born a jew but renounced Judaism

christianity made america, Judaism killed it

>>512127765
Imagine having to make up a strawman just to make an irrelevant point lol.

Why are you people so dishonest amd disingenuous?

>>512127556
People can be placated with crumbs. Many such cases. But if you try to ask for fair wages according in line with market growth...

>>512127941
>People can be placated with crumbs
Yeah crumbs like vicarious redemption or the fear of hell
>>512127941
>But if you try to ask for fair wages according in line with market growth...
You get what you're worth. Even the bible days this. Simple as. I've never had any problem getting paid fairly

>>512121660 (OP)
It all comes down to "how the fuck could you actually possibly prove something like that?" and no one can give a real answer even though they pretend they can.

>>512127937
It's the entire premise of Christianity. If you think it's all derived from a single strawman, you just elevated faith in yourself above faith in something else.

that's an equally cool story as my cool story.

>>512122918
>gpt
it's actually the title of the article: https://phys.org/news/2025-08-shroud-turin-image-relief-statue.html

>>512127765
jesus gives me silver or grants me wishes. literally. the mother mary protects the dumb whores in my life. satan kills my enemies fathers. literally. Lugh helps me win fights and protects me along with my other ancestors. uncle A is worshipped as the avatar of our enitre race. i even put respect your kike aninimism deity """god""" because he weilds a lot of support from subhumans like you. elohiem, bullking of dogs.

the gods literally love me and grant me real life wishes. why do you pray to something that ignores you lmao?

>>512128115
>If you think it's all derived from a single strawman,
This
>>512127765
>you probably don't feel like you need a higher power.
>then, ironically, when something is out of your control you wish you could appeal to a higher power.
Is a strawman. You have no idea about that anon but because he doesn't think like you, then you make up some argument to make an irrelevant point.

>>512128050
"hell" = the absence of God.
If you make it clear that you want separation from God in this life, you'll open a pathway to an afterlife without God.
It's a fairly simple operating system

If they paid attention to their own source material all these fakes and frauds wouldn't matter. They'd already know to ignore them and put no stock in them because it runs counter to the matter of faith.

>>512128311
>"hell" = the absence of God
Yeah, you lot have many different interpretations of hell
>>512128311
>If you make it clear that you want separation from God in this life, you'll open a pathway to an afterlife without God.
>It's a fairly simple operating system
And you're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>512127765
there are ZERO benifits of being in a cult. just be a boss ass nigger and the gods literally reward you

>>512127070

>>512123759
Jesus wasn't the only person to ever die and to then have his corpse wrapped in linen in jerusalem during the late spring.

Because you faggots can't accept reality
>The Shroud CANNOT be replicated with either modern technology, or using technology used from what it was supposedly made (800 years ago)
>today they still don't know how it was made. It's not painted on, no dyes are used, no burned on, not from the sun. They think it's some UV radiation
>Shroud had dirt and pollen from Jerusalem on it. Because of courses a medieval forger would put dirt and pollen from Jerusalem on it just in case fiber analysis was done on it 800 years later
>same with blood. The blood was but on the cloth BEFORE the image of the body. Why would a forger want to make their job 1000x harder? Because 800 years later we would have the tech to see the difference of course!

>>512128399
The idea that you can sever your connection with God is a commonly held belief that persists in multiple religions. But hey, they're just religions, in other words: just opinions from lesser people than yourself. You have the answers. Go off king.

>>512127915
>>512127194
It could've been much easier to write me off based on my flag, however you chose not to insult my ethnicity. This proves that you are not bothered by the color of my skin (gyppos based on pol memes), but instead you are absolutely seething at the idea of Christ, which makes me to believe that you're either kikes, or muzzies / jeets. Any white antichristian fag would've called me a gypsy , except you've done none of that. Congrats, proof that brownoids are not intelligent

>>512128491
>Jesus wasn't the only person to ever die and to then have his corpse wrapped in linen in jerusalem during the late spring.
So you're saying the cloth is 2000 years old but from someone else....that was also crucified...and whipped heavily with razor whips....?

I declare Op and his minions BTFO.
Christ is King.

>>512127070
>>512126884
Most likely these are kikes, jeets or muzzie brownoids.

>>512128212
This retard is assuming that Jesus was laying down when the ascendency to Heaven took place. God could have risen him up in a vertical position.

>>512127197
>We can't replicate v2 engine
that's bullshit based off of the fact that each rocket engine is custom built each time, we do not have assembly lines for rocket engines you retard

>>512128670
>brownoids
Please don't search up the global demographics of christniggerdom.

>>512128476

>>512128533
>The idea that you can sever your connection with God is a commonly held belief that persists in multiple religions
Kek. No shit. But the details are always different, specifically in Christianity. You lot cant agree in interpretations, hence the over 30k divisions in the religion
>>512128533
>lesser people than yourself
I've never made that argument nor suggested it. If you feel lesser then that's a you problem

>>512128576
>but instead you are absolutely seething at the idea of Christ
Nah, I think Christ is a good allegory.
>>512126876
I was laughing at how you defeat yourself in predictable fashion

>>512128670
And again lol
>>512126777
>This is the litmus test that most of you lack a soul and are just NPCs
>>512126876
>Same thing when you goons call others kikes or jew

>>512128833
>A recent study
by who?

>>512121660 (OP)
This is what makes Catholicism both retarded and resilient. Why can't they just take the L on this Turin shit? Not taking the L and plugging their ears is why they last though.

>>512128924
*whom

>>512128975
>Why can't they just take the L on this Turin shit?
See >>512128508
faggot

>>512128819
please don't search up the number of neopagans that are homosexual
>>512128924
>look up this study
>it was done asking only Evangelical pastors
Evangelicals are a joke. They're the most zionist group of Christians in the world.
Even then, a recent survey found that only about 25% of young evangelicals support Israel.
The MIGAboomers are dying out. It was one brainwashed generation.
Notice how no Christians were calling jews the chosen people until about 80 years ago....

>>512123204
Use Grok its way more accurate

>>512128212
then the title was written by ChatGPT

>>512121852

>>512128862
You're a condescending blowhard as well as a practical realist. In your conduct, you perceive faithful people are a lesser group, or at least an alien group. No shame. A spiritual relationship is a personal one. There's no exact recipe, I won't try to force you to recognize Christ's divinity, but you should at least be aware that miracles exist

>>512129061
That's what I did here
>>512124120
>Here is a different AI see pic.
Meant to include pic

>>512121660 (OP)
“Carbon dating” scam was debunked and classified as disinformation and misinformation by indioendant fact checkers and science malpractice watchdogs

Sorry sweetie. Christ is still king

>>512121660 (OP)
Concern yourself with your own death.
Will YOU be resurrected?

>>512129156
lmao the cope is insane.
What was the last pagan event you went to? what rituals did you perform?
how many of the participants were lgbt?

>>512129028
>Evangelicals are a joke.
No, they're actually 50-55% of protestant christcucks.
>Even then, a recent survey found that only about 25% of young evangelicals support Israel.
nice cope
The sheep will do everything that the pastors say and the pastors and leaders remain pro-zionist.
See: https://erlc.com/policy-content/israel/

>>512129180
>In your conduct, you perceive faithful people are a lesser group,
Incorrect. That's your perception because you are a perpetual victim in your mind. My childhood best friend is still a Christian and so is my mother and father and I love and respect them dearly. I couldn't imagine them without their faith really.

Again, try being more genuine and honest in your next reply.

>>512128576
why are you so shocked i didn't accuse you of being a gypsy? and yes, i attack a man firstly on his ideas, and your ideas are all dogshit.

>>512129129
ok retard

>>512129002
That's just all made up cope that has been substantially discredited.
One psued with a PhD in basketweaving did a fake study saying UV must have made it, when dozens of other scholars proved that it's just paint and the church caught the forger in medieval times.
The image doesn't even look like a body, it looks like a painting.

>>512121660 (OP)
It is Roman Catholics that are obsessed about stuff like that. You don't know the difference because you are antichrist anyway, so you can never fully grasp what is going on in the world.

>John 20:6-7
Yeah, that's what I constantly tell people, but people are people, as you are, and masses of people are very stupid full ideological zionist nonsense, as you are, almost nobody in the modern world reads the Bible, or takes it serious anymore, much less study it. People want to make up their own stuff abou the Bible, as you antichrist also do.

>>512129357
You're here casting one-sided aspersions in the Shroud of Turin thread and yet you're claiming that you're neutral towards Christians? You fucking snake lol. Try to be more genuine with your next reply. Perhaps say something about how the shroud exists in a "gray area" instead of trying to get a rise out of me
Your next reply will tell me a lot about you.

>>512126466
true. i don't even see them as human anymore

>>512129480
>That's just all made up cope that has been substantially discredited.
It has? Please post links to this discrediting. Please show he the Shroud was replicated.
>scholars proved that it's just paint
It's literally not paint. Please post the link that shows any scientist saying it's paint.
> church caught the forger in medieval times.
What was the forgers name? What happened to him?
>The image doesn't even look like a body
It doesn't? OP is saying the image DOES look like a body, but that's why it's incorrect because a body imprinted on a cloth would look distorted.
>it looks like a painting.
But it's not. It's UV radiation.

>>512129354
>nice cope
you can look it up yourself.
You're either delusional or blatantly lying if you think Christians still support Israel.
Some of the boomer (((evangelicals))) still do. Nobody else does.
nature is healing

>>512129471
What's the point of your post nigga?

>>512128491
I'm agnostic. I'll throw my hat in the ring. Why was some random desert rat from 2000 years ago's shroud saved? Why does this random one that was so important to save have a pattern with strange makings in it?

>>512129759
>You're either delusional or blatantly lying if you think Christians still support Israel.
I'm not delusional.
I already provided a link with a list of evangelical, baptist, and southern baptist pastors and leaders that support israel.
The sheep might be straying but the pastors will bring them back.

>>512129471

This is why I hate (((scientists))))
>LOOK! The Shroud was made on a low relief statue! Look how the fabric HANGS over the relief!
This is of course ignoring the fact that Jesus was WRAPPED in cloth tightly. It wasn't DRAPED over him like a table cloth. The Shroud has a back of body imprint showing his back, calf muscles, etc

>>512129663
>You're here casting one-sided aspersions in the Shroud of Turin thread and yet you're claiming that you're neutral towards Christians?
Notice how this disingenuous person chnages the vocabulary when it emotionally suits them? First its
>>512128533
>lesser people than yourself
Now I'm non neutral to Christians. What you mean is I have disagreements..and no shit lol.
>>512129663
>You fucking snake lol.
Snake about what? Voicing my opinion.

>>512129663
>Perhaps say something about how the shroud exists in a "gray area" instead of trying to get a rise out of me
I don't believe it exists in a grey area. Why would I say that?
>trying to get s rise out of me.
Mate, you are your own worst enemy. Not me or anyone else. If you can't handle the back and forth then leave.
>>512129663
>Your next reply will tell me a lot about you.
You'll just make up more strawman or revert to victimhood. Maybe both

>>512129295
It was Easter from the goddess Eostre. Pretty specific slavic rituals here, with willows and burning of Morena

Christianity preserved Jews, not opposed them. It kept them alive through pogroms, protected them after expulsions, and empowered them financially through usury bans on Christians. Popes and kings used Jews as economic tools. Reconquista did not remove Jews but reinstated their influence under Christian rule. Christianity universalized Jewish scripture, spread the concept of “spiritual Israel,” and upheld the Old Testament. It turned racial outsiders into “brothers in Christ.” Evangelicals promote Zionism, but Catholics and Protestants submit too. The Church bows to Holocaust theology and Israel. Christianity calls Jews chosen and salvation theirs. It cannot sever from Judaism because it is built on it. Jews hate Christianity because it imitates them while still worshiping their god. Christianity is Judaism for Gentiles.

>>512130101
The also ignore EVERY SINGLE PIECE of evidence, beside the medieval patch that was sent for carbon 14 testing.

They hate Truth and refuse to accept it.
That is how they damn themselves.
They are a wicked generation.

>>512130214
So Christians DO honor their heritage and traditions? The meme I was responding to is wrong?

>>512130277
>They deny my opinion and refuse to accept it
Ftfy

>>512130244
John 10:24-26
>24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
>25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
>26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

>>512129933
There's only 1 burial shroud in the world with partial fiber shading. I repeat. Only 1 burial shroud in all of human existence with partial fiber shading. A 3D negative. A photograph-adjacent technology/biological reaction that could not be replicated with an ancient art techniques or tools. No matter what, medieval or judeo-roman era - this cloth has properties that are beyond explanation

>>512130101
>This is of course ignoring the fact that Jesus was WRAPPED in cloth tightly
Uh no. The bibke says he had a separate cloth draped over his face

>>512130101
>The Shroud has a back of body imprint showing his back, calf muscles
It doesn't

>SHROUD MADE ON LOW LEVEL RELIEF
Can they replicate it then?
>"Uh, no"
Remember to take your 60 vax shots and that men can get pregnant because these retards tell you to.

>>512130277
>beside the medieval patch that was sent for carbon 14 testing.
The shroud isn't necessary for christcucks to enter nigger heaven so why can't they divide the shroud among different researchers?

>>512130437
>Uh no. The bibke says he had a separate cloth draped over his face
So NOW the Bible is a book of historical record?

>>512130464

It’s a primitive photographic self portrait of Da Vinci, silver nitrate and salt-fixed. We’ve known that for five centuries, silver nitrate photography was one of the secrets kept by the alchemists. Your corpse-sorcerer god isn’t fucking real at all, you freaks.

>>512130591
>It’s a primitive photographic self portrait of Da Vinci, silver nitrate and salt-fixed
NOPE. Debunked.

>>512130591
we have records of the shroud of Turin existing before Da Vinci was ever born.
Do you guys even look up if what you're about to post is true before you post it?

>>512130209
You're insane. You don't even know what the word aspersions means. You're a snake because you bother to undermine this shroud topic even though you claim you're religiously neutral. The shroud is a scientifically real piece of cloth with a silhouette and I'm amused that you can't come to grips with that.

>>512121660 (OP)

Why are you gay?

>>512130723
These are nothing but r/atheism rejects. They farmed all the updoots and gold from their so they need more dopamine hits by posting this illogical nonsense.

>>512130303
No, christians either killed native european pagans or stole the traditions and now are dishonest about it

>>512130537
Yeah about certain things it is. Lol?
How is this a refutation?
>>512130576
See pic

>>512130826
wow, that's retarded. Thanks for sharing.

>>512124850
>Has never been recreated.
lmao how do you expect to recreate 800 years of aging?
every podunk church in italy has some sort of "artifact" like this - creating fake relics was an artisan industry throughout europe

>>512130851
>Yeah about certain things it is. Lol?
So when YOU need the Bible to be accurate, it's accurate?
>that pic
Uh, YOU said the back of the body wasn't on the Shroud, I proved that it was you fucking tard.
Please explain how the Shroud was made (800 fucking years ago) and why we can't duplicate it today.

>>512130729
>You're a snake because you bother to undermine this shroud topic
Undermine bow? Presenting counter arguments and not buying your arguments?
>>512130729
>The shroud is a scientifically real piece of cloth
That's not the argument either. Try less red herring as if im denying its a cloth.

And just like said you would too
>>512130209
>You'll just make up more strawman or revert to victimhood. Maybe both
Kek

>>512121660 (OP)
Jesus Christ is Lord

>>512131019
>lmao how do you expect to recreate 800 years of aging?
Nothing to do with aging, retard. They don't know HOW the image got on the cloth. Not paint, not dyes, not pigment, not from the sun, not burned on.

>>512131037
>So when YOU need the Bible to be accurate, it's accurate?
No? Its accurate based off it's private claims..
>>512131037
>YOU said the back of the body wasn't on the Shroud
No I didn't. I didn't agree with your details about it

>>512122211
SEEEETHE

>>512121852
>You're just like the Jew baddies in my Jewish folklore
Christniggers are something else.

>>512121660 (OP)
The whole point of Christianity is having faith that Jesus is the son of God and died for humanity’s sins. If there was proof of Christianity, faith would be pointless.

>>512131171
>No? Its accurate based off it's private claims..
Ok
>Bible says Jesus is Son of God = "BIBLE NOT ACCURATE!"
>Bible says separate cloth put on Jesus' face = "BIBLE SAYS SO"
also
>private claims
Yeah, those are always accurate...
>No I didn't
Yes you did, faggot. >>512130464
Me: The Shroud has a back of body imprint showing his back, calf muscles
You: It doesn't.
kys you lying faggot

>>512121660 (OP)
What made the shroud then? It's literally a photo, that's undeniable and makes no sense. I don't care if it is or isn't Jesus, I'm not even Christian. I just want them to explain how the fuck they got a photograph on a shroud 1000 years ago

>>512121852
Christcuck

>>512131388
>I just want them to explain how the fuck they got a photograph on a shroud 1000 years ago
Add "why can't we do the same thing today" to the list.
If instead of an image of Jesus it looked like some alien creature, atheistards would be screeaming "IT MUST BE REAL, WE CAN'T REPLICATE IT EVEN TODAY!'

>>512131350
>>No? Its accurate based off it's private claims.
I meant provable claims
>>512131350
>The Shroud has a back of body imprint showing his back, calf muscles
>You: It doesn't.
And I'm right. It doesn't lol

>>512131040
You haven't presented any counter arguments. Which noteworthy counter-argument have you presented?
The shroud certainly exists in a grey area because of what I wrote here >>512130435
but you're too arrogant to admit that it has supernatural properties, just like you're too much of a smartass to give any ground to the religion your parents adhere to.

World-class fedora.

>>512131191
>"MY MAGIC JEW IS REAL!"
>*splat!*

>>512121660 (OP)
If the shroud was so insignificant, there wouldn't be that many threads trying to deboonk it. For some reason, Christianity is the main target of criticism, but no one dares to attack the Muslim or Jewish faith, I wonder why!

>>512131500
>I meant provable claims
You should explain yourself better. The Shroud is in our hands, just because someone wrote down differently 2000 years ago doesn't prove otherwise.
>And I'm right. It doesn't lol
Then why did you say "No I didn't"? You fucking schizo. And the Shroud proves that the back of his body is on there. Please post evidence of anyone saying "the back of Jesus' body isn't shown on the Shroud".

>>512121660 (OP)
Oh Well. Judaism Is Satanism.
And many many imposters deep snared in Last Exorcism Of Earth as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlENkaU6Uls

>>512131535
>2019
Christianity is on the rise again, retard. I'm sure during the black plague retards like you were saying the same shit
>all the Christians are dying! It will be gone by the 15th century!
>less people believe now than in the last 1000 years! We are witness the death of Christianity in our lifetime!

>>512131535
>there are less believers in a materialism-focused morally-bankrupt world.

That doesn't disprove anything. It just means I'm even more special because salvation is already reserved for a small percentage of people.

>>512131103
You can autistically argue about whether it was a relief sculpture imprint or regular painting if you want, it doesn't matter because it wasn't laid over a real person in either case, let alone jesus lmao

>>512131518
>You haven't presented any counter arguments
Sure I have. Feel free to go back and read the thread
>>512131518
>The shroud certainly exists
Yup
>in a grey areas
I don't believe so. It out right contradicts what the bible says lol. That's strike one and really the biggest one for me.
>>512131518
>but you're too arrogant to admit that it has supernatural properties
There hasn't been any "supernatural" demonstrated, just unknowns lol. Weird how you go from admitting it's a grey area then say it's supernatural lol


Get your arguments straight retard >>512131518
>you're too much of a smartass to give any ground to the religion your parents adhere to.
With people like you, why should I? I've also stated that Christ is a good allegory. So again, here's you making shit up from your bruised ego

>>512131535
are things getting better or worse as the US and Europe abandon Christ?

>>512131838
>t doesn't matter because it wasn't laid over a real person in either case,
Yes it was. See >>512130101

>>512131838
You are now aware that a famished body in rigor mortis, 90% drained of blood, behaves just like a sculpture.

>>512122033
sorry batman is more real than this shit.

>>512131578
>but no one dares to attack the Muslim or Jewish faith, I wonder why!

because there are tonnes more christians on this board and you people are so easy and fun to wind up. you people are like the special ed retards, it might be wrong but it feels good to poke fun at you

>>512131626
>You should explain yourself better
It's a typo. Maybe you should learn context clues
>>512131626
>just because someone wrote down differently 2000 years ago doesn't prove otherwise.
It's a literal eyewitness lol.
>>512131626
>Then why did you say "No I didn't"? You fucking schizo
Learn to read you moron
>>512131350
>showing his back, calf muscles
>You: It doesn't.
I didn't say it doesn't show the back or legs. I disagree with the details you states. As I said here
>>512131171
>I didn't agree with your details about it

>>512131910
lmfao this is from a study arguing it was placed over a sculpture
never before have I seen someone bfto themselves so hard


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/3d-models-hint-shroud-of-turin-matches-a-medieval-sculpture-not-a-real-human-body/ar-AA1JOLiV

>>512131991
Yeah and your body moves and contorts during this process too

>>512123759
>look at all the details we can make up to justify the magic relic shroud

>>512132028
Nothing easier to crucify than a Satanite Jewmuslim. Overthrow the vaxxinator and stupidassed war enemy Australian government starting with your low level rank and file cops.

>>512132038
>It's a typo. Maybe you should learn context clues
So I have to interpret your retarded typos, retard?
>It's a literal eyewitness lol.
You do realize that if the police talk to 5 eyewitnesses at a crime scene they normally get 3 or 4 different versions of events because eye witnesses are unreliable. Fucking retard.
>Learn to read you moron
Please explain how I'm wrong. I await your silence (or is this one of those "you should interpret my typos!")
>I didn't say it doesn't show the back or legs
YOU LITERALLY DID
>Me: The Shroud has a back of body imprint showing his back, calf muscles
>You: It doesn't.
-
> I disagree with the details you states. As I said here
You said this AFTER you denied his back/calf muscles showing. Are you legit fucking retarded and brain dead. I POSTED our CONVERSATION.

>>512121852
is that a le heckin' science termonology???

>>512132075
>lmfao this is from a study arguing it was placed over a sculpture
Yeah and it's a dumb study because the cloth wasn't PLACED over the body (or low relief sculpture) it was WRAPPED around it
>triple bleddit spacing
WHEW

>>512131845
>Feel free to go back and read the thread
Surely with your quotation skills you can find what you wrote?
Except the reality is that you didn't provide any worthwhile arguments

Please tell me the Biblical contradiction that invalidates the shroud.

Please tell me how someone was able to achieve partial fiber shading and create a 3D negative using medieval or judeo-roman techniques & resources.

>With people like you, why should I?
People like me who try to showcase abnormalities in the shroud are why you dislike your parent's religion?
Lets tango I have all day

>>512132028
Muslims and Jews are just as easy to troll, but also more dangerous. You're just trying to catch the lowest hanging fruit, since even normalfags don't fear criticizing Christianity.

>>512132280
>So I have to interpret your retarded typos, retard?
Yup :^)
>>512132280
>You do realize that if the police talk to 5 eyewitnesses at a crime scene they normally get 3 or 4 different versions of events because eye witnesses are unreliable. Fucking retard.
Nice argument against the authenticity of Jesus. Hahaha
>>512132280
>Please explain how I'm wrong.
I did. Learn to follow along
>>512132280
>>I didn't say it doesn't show the back or legs
>YOU LITERALLY DID
And as I explained, I disagreed with your details. Damn dude. I don't know how many times I have to say it lol
>>512132280
>You said this AFTER you denied his back/calf muscles
Yeah because it doesn't show them in detail. Like I said lol

>>512132263
oh look the christcel is a tranime freak. why does your religion only attract misfits these days

Planting the Flag of Christ on the corpse of the beheaded Australian.
>>5 12132493

>>512132414
>Muslims and Jews are just as easy to troll, but also more dangerous. You're just trying to catch the lowest hanging fruit, since even normalfags don't fear criticizing Christianity.

well there you go and you said it yourself. remember when a granny got her throat slit in a church in france by muslims? and what did christians ever do in retaliation? exactly. you're all chihuahuas, lots of barking but you're just a toothless disgraceful runt of an animal so you instead choose to impotently vent on 4chan about how you are the boxing bag of religions.

>>512132448
>Yup :^)
SAD. I'm sorry but people can't help or interpret the words of retards like you.
>Nice argument against the authenticity of Jesus. Hahaha
Every historian at every kike University is on my side.
>I did. Learn to follow along
Please explain. You explained your typo, so explain this.
>And as I explained, I disagreed with your details.
You said this AFTER you denied saying "I didn't". You are a legit schizo who is losing the argument so badly that it's SAD.
>Yeah because it doesn't show them in detail.
So you went from
>NOOO! It doesn't show the back of the calf muscles!
to
>Ok, it does, but it doesn't show them in DETAIL
I accept this as your defeat and your concession

>>512132385
>Surely with your quotation skills you can find what you wrote?
Surely with your scrolling skills you can find out yourself?
>>512132385
>Except the reality is that you didn't provide any worthwhile arguments
Oh now its worthwhile when before I don't present any lol.

>>512132385
>Please tell me the Biblical contradiction that invalidates the shroud.
Scripture said Jesus had a separate cloth draped over his head.

>Please tell me how someone was able to achieve partial fiber shading and create a 3D negative using medieval or judeo-roman techniques & resources.
By using a stature and not a body
>>512132385
>People like me who
Strawman people who disagree either them and make up red herring to poison the well.

Looks like Hitler wasn't even Hitler everyone. Well there's no excuse now. Today's daily 404 for the daily instant loss thread now.

>>512132674
>By using a stature and not a body
This doesn't explain HOW the image got on the cloth you lying retard.

>>512130723
You have record of a shroud that was condemned as an obvious forgery. That shroud was destroyed and replaced with a much more convincing one made by Da Vinci. That’s been an established fact for 800 years and your god isn’t real. He faked his death and fled to Gaul with his whore wife.

>>512121660 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://youtu.be/eT_RUdBTlp4

>>512121660 (OP)
Because it’s interesting mythology. Stop being a fucking gay “um akshuslly” kike

You're coming in loud and clear /lig/, Big Time Fuckin's Here
i repeat
Big Time Fuckin's Here

>>512132643
>I'm sorry but people can't help or interpret the words of retards like you.
Sounds like a personal problem

>>512132643
>Every historian at every kike University is on my side.
Yet you gave a good counter argument lmao
>>512132643
>Please explain
Go back and learn to follow a thread
>>512132643
>You said this AFTER you denied saying "I didn't".
Because it's called context my friend. Learn it

>>512132643
>So you went from
>>NOOO! It doesn't show the back of the calf muscles!
>to
>>Ok, it does, but it doesn't show them in DETAIL
Here's what I said
>>512132038
>I didn't say it doesn't show the back or legs. I disagree with the details you stated
:^)

Kill All Globalists.

>>512132729
Yes it does lol
But here, read more
>>512132075

>>512132636
I can't say you're wrong. Christians are in this situation because they became completely neutered after WW2. Maybe the African or South American christians still have the balls to make head rolls, but North Americans and Europeans have sadly become golems.

>>512132363
>the cloth wasn't PLACED over the body (or low relief sculpture) it was WRAPPED around it
Show the passages in the bible

>>512132674
There's only 1 way to read the following sentence:
I contend that you have not presented any valid argument against the shroud's authenticity in this thread.
If you read the above sentence incorrectly, it's not my fault.

A statue is just a static object. I'm asking you, how did the shroud achieve partial fiber shading. Partial Fiber Shading.
Microscopic burn variation on each fiber of the shroud, creating dark spots, medium spots, and lighter spots, resulting in the 3D image as a whole.
You're just gliding over my content so I'm going to glide over yours too.

>>512132918
>Sounds like a personal problem
Yeah, every schizo says "It's not my fault you can't hear the voices too".
>Go back and learn to follow a thread
I already explain my side, are you too busy explaining your typos?
>Because it's called context my friend. Learn it
But you DENIED it first. Please explain the context of that, schizo.
>Here's what I said
Nope
>Me: It shows his calf muscles
>You: It DOESN'T
You are posting shit that took place AFTER this exchange
>I didn't say it doesn't show the back or legs. I disagree with the details you stated
Again you disagreed first. Anything you posted after "It doesn't" is irrelevant,
>:^)
You post like a tranny bledditor

The shroud went over the body that was wrapped in strips.

Geez.

>>512132986
>Yes it does lol
Then please tell us all how. End this centuries old mystery. I await your silence.
>>512132075
This only says that the cloth was draped on a relief. NOTHING about how the image got on the cloth.
BLEDDIT SCHIZO

>>512133068
>Show the passages in the bible
Bible isn't accurate. This is a real r/atheism tactic. Reject the Bible 100% UNTIL you find a discrepancy that helps whatever r/atheism cause you are on
BLEDDIT SCHIZO

It's an Alan Dershowitz thread.

Now Recieve Just The Father.


https://files.catbox.moe/3tg7j7.jpg
>>512133334
https://files.catbox.moe/vacfhm.png

>>512133144
>I contend that you have not presented any valid argument against the shroud's authenticity in this thread.
I contend that I have.
>>512133144
>how did the shroud achieve partial fiber shading. Partial Fiber Shading.
>Microscopic burn variation on each fiber of the shroud, creating dark spots, medium spots, and lighter spots, resulting in the 3D image as a whole.
See
>>512129194
Pic and
>>512130851
Pic.

As for the methods we don't know. Then we don't know. Not yet anyway :^)

>>512133144
>You're just gliding over my content so I'm going to glide over yours too.
OK, have a nice day

>>512133155
>"It's not my fault you can't hear the voices too".
Christianity 101 lol
>>512133155
>are you too busy explaining your typos?
I already have
>running in circles
I'll leave you to it mutt

>>512133259
>Then please tell us all how
Read the article my man
>>512133334
>Bible isn't accurate
So when Peter looked and saw only stipes of cloth and a separate face cloth in the tomb, that was inaccurate?

Google AI & Reddit are simultaneously spamming in almost the exact same words the same shite the OP is now convinced is interesting.
John never saw Jesus being prepared for burial. Witnesses who did describe a single piece of linen cloth, just as was described as being discarded in the tomb after Jesus was resurrected.
Seems like the genocide crazy satanic jews and the OP done goofed. They are very disgusting people. Very stupid as well as evil. Do they think they have a gotcha based on their not very well researched knowledge of the bible plus their use of AI openly (google) and to covertly (Reddit)?
Idiots.
There are 3 passages of the Bible which describe the single piece of linen which is Jesuses shroud.
All these spiteful hellbound loosers can do is lie. It’s all they have ever done and all they ever will do.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wU594V-cj9w&list=PLuiEQCdbL8jOZaKOLtBKLXBAuz85TABKQ&index=1&pp=iAQB

>>512130576
would be interesting to see someone wrapped in a sheet like that.
Doesn't look like the way to do it, imho

>>512133174
Why didn't Peter mention a shroud though?

>>512133588
>Witnesses who did describe a single piece of linen cloth, just as was described as being discarded in the tomb after Jesus was resurrected.
Incorrect
>. 6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.

>>512133462
>>512133533
why are you posting anime images with this you freak

>>512121660 (OP)
>all these identical posts every thread
Sure seems like the shroud is real. Otherwise they wouldnt put all this effort into shilling against it.

>>512121660 (OP)
Are you retarded? It was literally a linen shroud that Joseph acquired before Jesus was placed in the shroud and then put into the Joseph of Arimathea's Tomb

>>512133573
>Christianity 101 lol
You're one postling like a schizo
>I already have
I know, but you keep making other mistakes that you're not explaining.
>Read the article my man
I didn't. NOTHING in there about how the image go on the cloth. So please answer.
>So when Peter looked and saw only stipes of cloth and a separate face cloth in the tomb, that was inaccurate?
I would say the fact that we can see the Shroud supersedes anything else. But there are other reasons. The Shroud could have been wrapped over individual bits of cloth.
Remember bleddit schizo YOU said "It doesn't" then completely went full schizo and said "I didn't say that" and then "Ok I said it but I needed to add detail later on!!"

>>512133739
And Everyone Laughed At Him.

>>512133588
There is also speculation that they did not have time to "mummify" him before the Sabbath holy day, and they placed this cloth over him for modesty purposes. They came back early the 3 days after the 2 day Sabbath holydays that were back to back Sunday at daybreak to find the body missing. They initially thought Roman soldiers who did not observe Jewish Sabbaths came and took the body, but in fact, Jesus rose back from the dead that night/morning, rolled the stone away, and met the women coming to embalm Him.

>>512121660 (OP)
Science wins again

Gonna Shart Shards?

>1PBTID thread
>again the same stupid argument that makes no sense
I'm getting real tired of this board.

>>512133639
>would be interesting to see someone wrapped in a sheet like that.
2000 years ago was different than now. It makes sense.
>put a long sheet on the ground
>put the body on top of the sheet
>take the top half of the long sheet and fold it over the body
>wrap it in along the way

>>512130537
nigger you bash your jew book on us every single day of your miserable life, and when it comes to prove a point you now reject it? lol

>>512133972
That's by design and their intention.

>>512133915
Wins at what?

>>512133896
>You're one postling like a schizo
Takes one to know one eh?

>>512133896
>but you keep making other mistakes that you're not explaining.
I don't think so
>>512133896
>>Read the article my man
>I didn't
Oh then I guess we have nothing else to talk about
>>512133896
>>So when Peter looked and saw only stipes of cloth and a separate face cloth in the tomb, that was inaccurate?
You didn't answer the question. Yes or no?

>>512133972
Be Silenced Easau Gambit.

>>512134035
>nigger you bash your jew book on us every single day of your miserable life,
No I don't. Have atheists always been suck fucking schizos. I never brought up the Bible once, I'm only responding to that other anon.

>>512132636
What have atheists done besides dress in red and black and assault women, children and the elderly like packs of weak ass niggers?

>>512134066
Shut up michael

Nobody can prove anything here OTHER than the OP is wrong.
Everyone knew about what John said even the forger of turin shroud if it is fake but nobody has ever taken any notice if it because what john said is not relevant.
Not until Google AI & Reddit who both HATE and are known to constantly spam against christianity and are obviously the same AI wielding jews (because google is jews and if i check and find out that reddit isn’t them I’ll do backflips all the way to Wigan) decided to pretend that they have got a gotcha.
It rivals the pedophiles spamming epstein as if anything is new.
Or the newspaper reports telling anyone stupid enough to read them that their brainwashed are the most intelligent people in the world.
Or vaxxies.
If you put store in this like the OP does, despite it being stupid and twisted you need to get more vax in your system as quick as you can to stay safe and effective.

>>512134060
>this posting style
You dont have to engage. This is someone who doesnt understand how the board works and is looking to undermine discourse with faggotry and pretending to be retarded.

Thou >>512134134 Shalt Not Be A Jew Or Else I Have You Now, Jarshardtzo.

>>512121660 (OP)
C14 dating says dinosaur bones are 30k years old. “Reeeee… that’s not how it works!” Yeah fuck off. They use Egyptian chronology as a dating baseline and there is no way that shit is accurate.

>>512134060
>Takes one to know one eh?
I'm not making typos and blaming other for not knowing what I'm talking about...
>I don't think so
You "It doesn't''....."I mean it does, but not a lot!"
>Oh then I guess we have nothing else to talk about
There was nothing in the article about how the image got on the cloth.
>You didn't answer the question. Yes or no?
I wasn't there, schizo. You are ignoring shit like poor eyewitness testimony and stories being passed down.
The Shroud is here RIGHT NOW.
It can't be replicated.
They don't know how it was made.

>>512134090
>Have atheists
when did I mention anything about atheism? :)

>>512134219
Stop being an idiot.

>>512134206
Indeed

>>512134296
>when did I mention anything about atheism? :)
You didn't mention sucking cock, but everyone knows you're a faggot.

>>512134206
>pretending to be retarded.
Anon...

>>512134295
This is true. It's an anomaly. I think it was saved as evidence of something weird having happened by the Romans so that they wouldn't get killed for losing the body.

The only explanation is that Jesus woke up back into His body and passed through the cloth to get out not taking it off. He must have know that His Light celled body would imprint on it after He passed through it. He then folded it all up neatly.

Such Would Be Just The Father.
Last Exorcism Of Earth Let's Go, Straight Through The Nonanime Normalenemy Entire World, 4chan.

>>512134295
>I'm not making typos and blaming other for not knowing what I'm talking about...
Ah so you were never taught co text clues. That was like grade school lol
>>512134295
>There was nothing in the article about how the image got on the cloth.
How do you know? You said you don't read it hahaha lol
>>512134295
>>You didn't answer the question. Yes or no?
>I wasn't there
So again.
>>512133573
>So when Peter looked and saw only stipes of cloth and a separate face cloth in the tomb, that was inaccurate?
Yes or no?

>>512121660 (OP)
You lost Satan

>>512134295
>poor eyewitness testimony and stories being passed down
Excellent arguments against the existence of Jesus though

>>512134295
>You are ignoring shit like poor eyewitness testimony and stories being passed down.
You need to be more clear.
Is peter's eyewitness testimony inaccurate? Yes or no? Don't start pilpuling, christjew

If you go to a mortuary or funeral home, they keep white cloths over corpses there as well. It also covers the face too. It's a normal practice.

>>512134295
>They don't know how it was made
It's been mostly replicated

>>512121852
>the truth.
all that needed to be posted

>>512121660 (OP)
Motivated reasoning. Once you're bought into the dogma, everything becomes about justifying it.

>>512134645
They were many witnesses even the priests in the Temple. Jesus was required by law to present Himself healed and alive to the Temple priests. Every survivor of anything were required to do so.

>>512125967
That's nice but how did they put a photograph on a shroud 1000 years ago?

Christisns are using this piece of cloth like its fact but scientists cant examine it so its inconclusive.. Yet christisns are using it as proof. All the evidence you need is right there but christcucks block studying of it. Idiot yahoo fanatics

>>512121660 (OP)
>be christcuck
>as always don't even bother reading the bible before creating a fake

>>512134449
Oh I know. I dunked on him with a logical proposition in a previous thread and the summation of his entire argument was "I dont believe you", repeated for 3 hours. I was kind enough to break out my argument into premises and supporting points. If I had to guess, he's a glowie, because a regular poster getting insulted the way he was would have abandoned ship altogether.

>>512134797
jesus did it

Can you imagine the looks on their faces when they realized they could not kill Him? I'm pretty sure Jesus appeared to the Roman soldiers too. And Pilate.

As a victory lap, no less.

>>512134581
>Ah so you were never taught co text clues. That was like grade school lol
So you admitted you made a typo....then said it's my fault for not getting your typo....why even admit fault to begin then, retard. Again, you're a schizo.
>How do you know? You said you don't read it hahaha lol
I just read it. Nothing in there about HOW the image got on the cloth. Only about nonsense low statue and theories about WHEN it was made. But please, enlighten us!
>So again.
Schizo. BIBLE FAKE UNTIL I NEED IT TO BE REAL
>Yes or no?
Unknown. It's amazing how you deal in such absolutes like a schizo. To you the idea of an event from 2000 years ago with eyewitness accounts results in a 100% accurate description or a 100% falsehood.

>>512134798
Yeah
See: >>512130527

>>512134634
>Excellent arguments against the existence of Jesus though
No. Already debunked. Too many eyewitnesses. And the existence of an important man is harder to fuck up over "how many clothes were there in the tomb?"

>>512134680
>It's been mostly replicated
It 100% hasn't. Please post this replication. They don't know how the image got on there, and they don't know how it's so accurate. But please, post the replication.

>>512134798
>Christisns are using this piece of cloth like its fact but scientists cant examine it so its inconclusive..
They've already examined it and they CAN'T REPLICATE it.

It's a troll piece. He did it. He did it to troll you scoffers and mess with you. The tests are inconclusive but there was no machine at that time to even make this type of image. Technically, we can't reproduce imprinting on fabric using a fire like substance that "burns" and image into cloth.

Truth is, you still talk about Jesus. And He still bothers you.

>>512121660 (OP)
Reminder that the Christian God is the only real One and Christ is King.
Atheists, pagans, and all other non-Christians are seething butthurt edgelords because they are effectively already in hell.
Christians are happy, wholesome, well rounded, well adjusted, Chads with cute tradwives and tradkids because they have received salvation from the Holy Spirit and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Mohammed was a pedophile liar.
Buddha was a fat chink sitting under a tree innawoods.
Paganism is reconstructed LARPy nonsense.
Hindu gods are garbage tier capeshit.
Hitler didn't really kill 6 million jews but he should have because they are such terrible people.
Christianity is the only real one, but it takes a high IQ to truly understand it. If you disagree, it's because you are a midwit idiot.

>>512135119
>Technically, we can't reproduce imprinting on fabric using a fire like substance that "burns" and image into cloth.
But we know that it's a fire substance. They don't know what the Shroud image is.

>>512134919
>quoting yourself to agree with yourself
Neat. Tell me, what specific test are you looking for? What's the methodology?

>>512135081
That was a piece from a patch from the medieval times. They have to actually have the entire cloth to look at and undergo studying. Its not like its holy or anything its just a cloth

>>512135240
carbon dating on different pieces because christcucks claim that the piece that was already tested was a repair.

>>512135304
>That was a piece from a patch from the medieval times.
That's for carbon dating. They've scanned the entire Shroud and they don't know how the image got on there. More examination won't change that. They have all the data they need.

>>512135304
For which tests specifically? And I'm pretty sure a holy relic is holy, not sure why you dont think so.

>>512135199
It's a fire like laser that "burned" the image in the cloth. We know that any type of extreme heat would have caught the cloth on fire and it would have burned up. THIS was an organic type of laser that just charred the outline of a man without burning the cloth up.

Jesus was originally a Being of Light before being born a human. All angels are beings of light.
YHWH Himself is described as a Living Fire.

>>512121660 (OP)
> their own holy book
That was compiled by power hungry old fags who arbitrarily selected from various texts hundreds of years after Jesu death. Do Christfags even know how the Bible was made?

>>512121852
>>512131462

>>512135366
>carbon dating on different pieces because christcucks claim that the piece that was already tested was a repair.
This is correct. The cloth was repaired over the centuries so there are newer pieces of cloth on there. The Shroud was also smoke damaged in a fire and smoke damage affect carbon dating results. It's amazing how retards reject these facts same way they rejected covid vax side effects.

>>512135452
>It's a fire like laser that "burned" the image in the cloth.
Wrong. Best guess currently is UV radiation. And why can't we duplicate this fire laser today?

>>512134902
>So you admitted you made a typo
Yeah, a while ago. Kek
>typo....then said it's my fault for not getting your typo
I said context clues shouldn't gotten it for you but that's a skill you lack.
>enlighten us!
Ok
>the Shroud can only be conclusively dated to 2,000 years ago if it can be shown that the relic was preserved at an average temperature of around 72.5 degrees Fahrenheit (22°C) and a relative humidity of about 55% for the 13 centuries before it emerged in the historical record.

Also, it was painted on, like forensics suggest about the blood >>512134902
>BIBLE FAKE UNTIL I NEED IT TO BE REAL
Which is what you're getting caught in :^)

>>512135507
see
>>512130376

>>512135366
Carbon dating is hilariously inaccurate with a large amount of literature supporting the point, it's just the best we have at the moment, and you arent advocating for anything specific, rather the destruction of the artifact through repeated sampling without methodological consideration for the artifact's preservation, in order to establish a genral timeline of its creation, which is minimally insightful. Any other tests?

>>512135605
>I said context clues shouldn't gotten it for you but that's a skill you lack.
Again, every schizo says "It's not my fault you can't hear the voices too"
>the Shroud can only be conclusively dated to 2,000 years ago if it can be shown that the relic was preserved at an average temperature of around 72.5 degrees Fahrenheit (22°C) and a relative humidity of about 55% for the 13 centuries before it emerged in the historical record.
This doesn't explain how the image got on the cloth you schizo...
>Also, it was painted on
It 100% WASN"T. It's not paint, or dye, or pigment, or burned on Best theory is UV radiation.
SCHIZO.
>like forensics suggest about the blood
The blood has been PROVEN to be real and AB.
>Which is what you're getting caught in :^)
I never once mentioned the Bible being real or fake. You just pick and choose what you want....like a schizo.

For me its the divine foreskin relic

>>512135590
UV Radiation is light. Isn't that what the sun does?
Can you burn an image on a cloth without burning it up completely? Cloth and fabric are highly flammable.

>>512134984
>>Excellent arguments against the existence of Jesus though
>No.
100%
>>512135035
>>It's been mostly replicated
>It 100% hasn't
It has
See pic

>>512135700
Is a similar cloth mentioned and described in the bible?
If not, why would this cloth belong to jewsus and not someone else?

>>512135418
Then why wont they allow for more examination?

>>512135914
The shroud is a light burn imprint, not bloodstains.

>>512135907
>UV Radiation is light. Isn't that what the sun does?
Nope, debunked. It wasn't made using the sun. Currently the most accurate (but not completely) comparison we have today is when a body is wrapped in cloth and put in an MRI machine (or CAT scan machine)

>>512121660 (OP)
It's real because it exists. Did you mean to say that you're not sure if Jesus wore it?

>>512131019
The 12th century didn't have the methods or technology to recreate the shroud. The explanation by skeptics is "well maybe the technology/methods didn't exist officially but the raw materials did exist so it's possible someone made the shroud using techniques that weren't used or publicized for hundreds of years after that." It's just cope.

>>512135932
The Romans took it for evidence. They kept it. It was one of the things that convinced them Jesus was God.
When you go to the lengths you did killing a man and He shows back up alive, you could be butchered yourselves.

>>512135914
>100%
Schizo.
>See pic
Pic literally says USING MODERN UV LASERS!

keep in mind that jesus didn't even exist

>>512135790
>"It's not my fault you can't hear the voices too"
Until one is taught context clues lol
>>512135790
>Best theory is UV radiation
Lol lmao. Why isn't thst obsevered anywhere near where he was supposedly laid? Surely ther should be traces of radiation?

>>512135790
>The blood has been PROVEN to be real and AB
You can paint a forgery with blood
>>512135790
>I never once mentioned the Bible being real or fake.
Then the question about Peter should be an easy yes or no. Weird you run from it
>>512135790
>You just pick and choose what you want....like a schizo.
Pick and choose what?

>>512135449
You could burn the actually piece of the imprint and see if theres any silver nitrate or anything else to understand the composition of the cloth

>>512136055
Jesus is not the "sun". He is a Being of Light. You're conflating it to make yourself understand the concept but then denying it's possibility because it is impossible. You're right, it is. Jesus did it deliberately to fuck with you.

>>512135978
So no blood found on the shroud huh?
>>512136146
>Pic literally says USING MODERN UV LASERS
Correct lol.

>>512135932
Irrelevant, unnecessary to consider from a scientific perspective as the bible isnt a comprehensive historical ledger, and shows your position is primarily based on refutation rather than hypothesis testing. Anything else?

>>512135932
In the bible it mentions multiple linen strips so that doesnt add up with their own scripture.

>>512136253
There is blood, but it's not the outline of the image. It's what a cigarette burn on a cloth looks like

>>512136259
Then what support is there that the cloth belongs to jewsus?

>the shroud surfaces out of nowhere in France in the 14th century
>immediately denounced by the church as a forgery
>Carbon dated by three different labs to the 14th century, what a strange coincidence
>For some bizarre reason, the theologians and historians in the early centuries of the church never mentioned that such a relic was preserved
>Endless coping, seething (Invisible repairs! Pollen exclusively from Jerusalem! Unknown radiation process!)
>You are here, still coping

>>512136205
>destroy a part of the shroud
Sure, but how much and which part? How do we ensuee the shroud remains intact with repeated sampling?

>>512136395
Italy

>>512136186
>Until one is taught context clues lol
If you expected me to rely on context clues, why did you even admit you were at fault?
>Lol lmao. Why isn't thst obsevered anywhere near where he was supposedly laid? Surely ther should be traces of radiation?
Yeah, why didn't St. Peter whip out his Giger counter? And you do realize that radiation fades after, you know, 2000 YEARS.
>You can paint a forgery with blood
NOPE. Debunked. Nothing on the Shroud is painted. NOTHING.
>Then the question about Peter should be an easy yes or no. Weird you run from it
Again, you are an r/atheism schizo. I don't know if the Bible is accurate, but to you it's accurate when you need it to be.
>Pick and choose what?
AGAIN
>Bible says Jesus is the Son of God = no
>Bible says Jesus buried in lots of cloths = yes

>>512136259
The church wont let them examine the cloth further soo why not..

>>512136245
>Jesus is not the "sun".
I never said he was, retard. I said the Shroud wasn't made using "the sun" as in the big ball of light. Some forger didn't put a cloth over a Jesus statue and leave it out in the sun for 3 years. That's been debunked. RETARD

>>512136299
They didn't have time to "strip Him" with multiple cloths. They had 2 days of Sabbath and weren't allowed outside to do anything. That's why they came back AT DAYBREAK ON SUNDAY MORNING.

duurrrrrrrrrrrr

>>512136399
>Sure, but how much and which part?
The entire cloth would be divided among 10-20 research labs to establish an actual consensus on its dating.

>>512136399
The part where the imprint is actually on the cloth. The church wont allow it

I'm glad the discussion is now focused on the burn pattern, potential burning techniques, and carbon dating variables.

I think the revival of Jesus generated some type of internal glow. We know that Human brains generate light. Not just electricity, it's "light" in the form of ultra-weak photon emission (UPE) a.k.a. biophotons. If I recall correctly, the entire body can emit radioactive or thermal radiation. If a "divine defibrillator" was used, perhaps that's what caused the shroud's inexplicable image.

>>512136253
>Correct lol.
Yeah, those modern UV lasers that were totally available 800 years ago.

Strips of cloth. It is in 3 pieces tied together. Also written down decades later when some of the details of what happened became fuzzy. He wasn't exactly wrapped like a mummy.

>>512136186
Jesus' face shone like the sun during the transfiguration. There is your UV radiation. Probably happened to his whole body during the resurrection.

>>512134680
No, it hasn't. Why lie when this is very easily verifiable?

>>512136594
wrong pic... maybe

>>512136432
>On 20 June 1353, Geoffroy de Charny, Lord of Savoisy and Lirey, founded at Lirey in honour of the Annunciation a collegiate church with six canonries, and in this church he exposed for veneration the Holy Winding Sheet. Opposition arose on the part of the Bishop of Troyes, who declared after due inquiry that the relic was nothing but a painting, and opposed its exposition.

>>512136551
You did. And your now conflating another scenario that is as impossible as the creation of this shroud. It's an impossible feat either way. And the fact that it has survived 2000 years is also an impossible feat that is true too.
You're kvetching. It's quite hilarious.

>>512136363
Yes, this is your argument to avoid discussing science. None of my business.

>>512136496
Because retards like you only advocate for destructive testing, then act smug when they say no. If every test throughout history was performed on it, there would be nothing left. So, I'm sure they'd allow nondestructive testing, as they have in the past. I'm not sure why you think that position means anything; it's obvious you dont have a scientific background.

>>512121852
/thread

>>512122642
>There are no Christians in Isreal
Keep dreaming Chaim

>>512134371
project harder kike, no one is convinced by your pilpul >>512130537

>>512136395
>>the shroud surfaces out of nowhere in France in the 14th century
Funny how modern analysis shows the Shroud has dirt and pollen from Jerusalem on it
>>immediately denounced by the church as a forgery
Church opinions on things change all the time. The next Pope after Clement VII said it was real.
>>Carbon dated by three different labs to the 14th century, what a strange coincidence
Shroud was fire damaged which affects carbon dating results. It was also repaired over the centuries so newer pieces are on there.
>>For some bizarre reason, the theologians and historians in the early centuries of the church never mentioned that such a relic was preserved
They might not have had it in there possession or knew about it.
>>Endless coping, seething (Invisible repairs! Pollen exclusively from Jerusalem! Unknown radiation process!)
All these are legit. You sound like a vaxx symptom denier.

>>512136680
The Savoys are in Northern Italy (it's possible it could have been a French province at one time)

>>512136339
>There is blood
Painted on
>>512136471
>Yeah, why didn't St. Peter whip out his Giger counter?
Because the even never happened lol
>>512136471
>And you do realize that radiation fades after, you know, 2000 YEARS.
some isotopes have very short half-lives, while others can persist for thousands or even millions of years.
>>512136471
>I don't know if the Bible is accurate
Then you don't know if the shroud is Jesus lol
>>512136471
>>Bible says Jesus is the Son of God = no
>>Bible says Jesus buried in lots of cloths = yes
Weird how you can say that when you're unsure if the basis for all of it is accurate. So how do you determine which to believe is real?

>>512130537
get a load of this pilpul

>>512136733
>advocate for destructive testing, then act smug when they say no
The cloth is not necessary for you to enter nigger heaven so it doesn't matter it's completely destroyed.
Why do you oppose destructive testing?

>>512136847
Still not what made the image.

>>512136726
>You did.
I did not. Learn to fucking read faggot.
>" It wasn't made using the sun. "

>>512136586
>>512136574
Exactly. And this is why you shouldnt be taken seriously. Regardless of what it is or isnt, destroying it in the process is insanely stupid because if it is what it's claimed to be, your methodology destroyed it.

>>512136609
Correct hahaha
>>512136637
>Jesus' face shone like the sun during the transfiguration. There is your UV radiation.
His buddies would have died if radiation poison
>>512136644
>No, it hasn't
It has

>>512121852
Very apropos post of yours.. says christcuck with some nigger jew pharisee for an image. Hey atleast you are honest.

>>512136900
>just half is a firegry
Lol OK

>>512136907
I can read. You can't heem. You're pwned by a cloth and a Jewish rabbi.

>>512131019
>“To reproduce the entire Shroud image with this precision would require a UV laser pulse of ~34 billion watts (34 GW) of power, lasting a few billionths of a second, over the surface area of a human body.”

>>512136911
Wouldnt proving jesus existence the lord of the universe be more important than a cloth?

>>512136872
You not knowing what pilpul is and just calling someone by le Jewish word doesn't make it so. It's in very poor form. But it is very apparent most anons ITT don't care for the truth and would much rather seethe about Christianity, however irrationally.

>>512136847
>Because the even never happened lol
Funny how you say that now.
>some isotopes have very short half-lives, while others can persist for thousands or even millions of years.
Yeah, nuclear radiation, retard. LISTEN to youself.
>Then you don't know if the shroud is Jesus lol
I know it is. You still can't say how it was made.
>Weird how you can say that when you're unsure if the basis for all of it is accurate. So how do you determine which to believe is real?
Schizo talk...

>>512136939
>His buddies would have died if radiation poison
lol You think maybe Jesus protected them from dying? I mean He did heal the sick and raise people from the dead.

>>512136889
Because you're trying to destroy an artifact that justifies a narrative about god out of spite without scientific basis to justify it. Begone charlatan, you are here with the premise of destroying something meaningful and nothing more. I have no need to discuss it further; you are refuted with finality.

>>512136889
>Why do you oppose destructive testing?
Because some things should be preserved you dumb kike. And all the testing in the world won't asnwer how the image got on there.

>>512136983
>I can read.
You literally can't. I never said Jesus was the sun,.
>. You can't heem.
I don't what this is.

>>512121660 (OP)
My best guess is:
>1. kikes gave up on trying to deboonk the undeniable truth.
> 2. These threads are some kind of distraction..so they slander the lord.
> 3 kikes are seething the one true church has been calling them out.
In any case.. I'd say pray to your satanic cube the Peter doesn't call a crusade nigger. Cause all bets are off then.

>>512136939
It hasn't. By the way, this is the "scientist" you were citing and this is the "quality" of his debunking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MoDMrcXXj8

Evidently, you do not care about truth. Your lack of good faith indicates to me that you're here simply to troll.

>>512137034
No, the artifact is then destroyed, and all future proof requiring the artifact becomes myth, which is therefore a lie; the exact objective of destroying it in the first place

>>512137021
If thats the case then studying this miracle would be conclusive evidence and everyone would believe in christ like u want ..

>>512137034
>Wouldnt proving jesus existence the lord of the universe be more important than a cloth?
No matter what evidence is present it will be rejected by r/atheist tards

>>512136823
>Funny how modern analysis shows the Shroud has dirt and pollen from Jerusalem on it
There is no type of "dirt and pollen" exclusive to Jerusalem alone, you moron
>Church opinions on things change all the time. The next Pope after Clement VII said it was real.
Yeah, by ignoring the conclusion of the people who investigated it
>Shroud was fire damaged which affects carbon dating results. It was also repaired over the centuries so newer pieces are on there.
Yes, the clearly obvious patches of cloth that *weren't* used for the dating
>They might not have had it in there possession or knew about it.
Who else would care to preserve such a thing?

>>512136939
>Correct hahaha
Then how was the Shroud made 800 years ago.?

>>512137097
>an artifact that justifies a narrative about god
What is your evidence that the artifact belongs to jewsus?

>>512137236
You're proof that no amount of evidence alone is enough for those who refuse to believe

>>512137220
You dont have to destroy the whole thing tho why are you making up ultimatums?

Let me make something clear to you poor confused souls.
Jesus was YHWH. He changed truth and reality. He stomped over the laws of gravity and thermodynamics like they were quaint suggestions. He remade eyeballs, helped remake crushed limbs, healed very noticeable ailments and deadly illnesses. He brought Himself quite easily back to life.

And you all are upset over a burnt cloth. Of course you would be.

>>512137043
>>some isotopes have very short half-lives, while others can persist for thousands or even millions of years.
>Yeah, nuclear radiation, retard. LISTEN to youself.
Notice how you're not saying I'm wrong lol
>>512137043
>>Then you don't know if the shroud is Jesus lol
>I know it is
No you don't. You want it to be.
>>512137043
>>Weird how you can say that when you're unsure if the basis for all of it is accurate. So how do you determine which to believe is real?
Exactly. You run lol

>>512137064
>lol You think maybe Jesus protected them from dying?
Amazing how you have no problem thinking this is real but when Peter says there's only trips amd a separate face cloth, suddenly you don't believe that?

>>512137172
LOL

>>512136829
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lirey

>>512137300
Literally just read about the Shroud and understand how it only points to one person and one point in history. That's literally it. Christ rose from the dead.

>>512137203
>It hasn't
It has
>>512137203
>Evidently, you do not care about my opinion
Correct

>>512137253
>There is no type of "dirt and pollen" exclusive to Jerusalem alone, you moron
Uh, yes there is retard. Or at the very least Middle Eastern.
>Yeah, by ignoring the conclusion of the people who investigated it
What was investigated? Who made the Shroud? How was it made? What made them determine it was a forgery? These are the same Church guys that said epilepsy was a demon in you.
>Yes, the clearly obvious patches of cloth that *weren't* used for the dating
The entire Shroud was smoke damaged.
>Who else would care to preserve such a thing?
There are rich assholes right now that spend billions on art just to have it.

>>512137343
Im literally asking for proof.. Why are you gas lighting me now

>>512137300
Oh, you asked again? Let me repeat myself you illiterate unscientific kike: none of my business. In addition, there is no further obligation to prove anything to you. Anything else?

>>512137282
So you agree. It was made 800 years ago. Not 2000 lol

>>512137373
Quibbles. Peter is in heaven right now waiting to be resurrected in his own body.

>>512136680
Imagine his dismay when people smarter than him decided the shroud was able to be monetized and promoted as a holy relic.

Bishop of Troyes was a loser. Let the grown ups decide.

>>512137419
OH NO IT'S A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT

lol

>>512137464
>Anything else?
No, your concession is accepted.

>>512137438
This is your last (You). This has been a colossal waste of time. Keep doing your trolling thing or whatever.

>>512137355
But if you did destructive testing for every test every time someone had a new theory in key locations, it would be destroyed. There is no obligation to entertain a methodology that doesnt take the preservation of the artifact into consideration.

>>512137373
>Notice how you're not saying I'm wrong lol
You are wrong. There was no nuclear radiation involved with the Shroud
Same way there was no PAINT on the Shroud, yet you keep saying things were painted on.,
>No you don't. You want it to be.
All evidence points to yes.
Please answer how the Shroud was MADE. You still can't and you DEFLECT constantly!

>>512137510
>Quibbles.
Ah so you pick and choose what feels good to you.

>>512137405
You can't read and you post dumb internet zoomer words.

>>512137568
>This is your last (You)
OK, have a nice day

>>512137574
Why are you acting like its a relic when the church itself doesnt call it such, they describe it as an icon not something holy

>>512137561
You mean where you said destroy it with carbon dating and no other methodology then jerked yourself off over whether it was jesus or not in lieu of a reasonabme solution? Sure thing champ.

>>512137627
Uh, I go with the Being of Light cuz He's bigger than me. Sorry. Not giving to stupidity.

>>512137499
>So you agree. It was made 800 years ago. Not 2000 lol
If you can PROVE it was made 800 years ago, I will believe it. But you can't. Even a MODERN UV LASER can't duplicated the Shroud! If we can't duplicate it today, it couldn't be made 800 years ago. Thus it is real and from Jesus 2000 years ago.

>>512137638
You're a putz and your kvetching like a twat having a tantrum.

>>512121924
>There are things about the shroud that defy all logic
you being a retarded faggot and still falling for it after its been disproven nine ways to tuesday, is one of those things.

>>512137499
He's being very charitable with you and instead of just responding to him, you see it as an opportunity to do the silliest dunking in history. Why don't you respond to him? How would the Shroud be made 800 years ago?

>>512137574
Just give a couple pieces for testing and if the scientist cant come up with an explanation then maybe it is a miracle from god but right now we're getting a lot of christ cope

>>512137746
>putz and your kvetching
Ok kike.

>>512137672
And why are you acting like it's not important? Ontologically speaking I'm Daoist, I just dont believe in the pilpul of kikes.

>>512137779
How many times are they going to have to do this to make scoffers happy? That will never happen.

>>512137585
>>Notice how you're not saying I'm wrong lol
>You are wrong
Nope
>>512137585
>There was no nuclear radiation involved with the Shroud
How do you know when you literally said you >>512136471
>I don't know if the Bible is accurate
Kek
>>512137585
>All evidence points to yes.
Sure doesn't

>>512137693
>makes up oogabooga
>not going with stupidity
Kek

>>512137722
>If you can PROVE it was made 800 years ago, I will believe it.
No you won't. Yoh can't even figure what parts of the bible you believe hahaha

>>512137779
Again, I addressed this. Are you mentally impaired? Can you read?

>>512137779
>Just give a couple pieces for testing
They are all smoke damaged so carbon dating tests don't matter.
And more pieces won't answer how the image got on the cloth. All that data has been gotten (scanned, x-rayed, etc)

>>512137820
>Daoist
kys chinkoid

>>512123334
>>512124120
>>512129194
>>512133573
>>512134581
Nigga just replied to himself five times in a row.

>>512137753
>this is your last you
Guess not

>>512137904
Yeah?

>>512137820
*eyeroll* Michael. You do get so kerflummoxed. I think Yeshu is speaking to you as where did you go.

https://youtu.be/RdZeULtJw-w?si=-QcNFnZ6-F6zrTvi

>>512137672
>they describe it as an icon not something holy
This is a really silly semantic argument. Like really really silly. Firstly, the Church doesn't have to air opinions on everything. Secondly, She DOES have opinions on the Shroud and Pope Benedict XVI even called it a memory of Easter Sunday.

>>512137903
Whiter than you, jewboy, though italian isnt really write. I'm just both philosophically and scientifically literate. I believe in intersubjectivity as metaphysics. And you, apparently, are neither.

>>512137876
>Nope
Yup.
>How do you know when you literally said you
There are 8 responses in here. Why can't you just POST what I said that you think is relevant?
>Kek
Better than "It's accurate when I want it to be"
>Sure doesn't
Then please tell us how it was made.
>No you won't.
I swear I will. But ZERO evidence to the contrary has been presented.
>Yoh can't even figure what parts of the bible you believe hahaha
Neither can you.
YOU and nobody else on this planet knows how the Shroud was made nor how to replicate it.

>>512137876
You will come back to Jesus, Michael. I know you.

>>512138073
>Nope
>Yup.
Prove my statement is wrong

I'll wait

>>512137876
>No you won't.
And if you don't think I will believe the evidence, why are you even bothering to post your incorrect "evidence" you schizo retard?

>>512138103
>You will come back to Jesus
Totally

This is my fault, I never should have suggested you work with Elon Musk. Elon is the devil.

>>512138152
>And if you don't think I will believe the evidence
I don't. You'll beleive what feels good

>>512138124
>Prove my statement is wrong
Prove how the Shroud was made.
AGAIN
>no paint (which you claimed)
>no dyes
>no pigment
>not burned on
>not left in the sun
>closest we can do today is a UV laser that clearly wasn't around 800 years ago.
I await your silence. Your deflecting is over.

>>512138169
You will. You are a highly impressionable person and I sent you to the devil and he lied to you. I will rectify this in the Name of Jesus.

>>512138224
>I don't. You'll beleive what feels good
Then why even bother arguing with me, retard? SCHIZO. If you present good evidence I will say as much. But you have presented shit (hence all the deflections)

>>512138227
youre back at it again huh.

>>512137441
>Uh, yes there is retard. Or at the very least Middle Eastern.
>Jerusalem square area:125 km2
>Middle east square area: 7000000 km2

Quite a bit of a difference, ey? Can you even name this "exclusive" plant that produced the pollen?
>What was investigated?
>In 1389, the image was denounced as a fraud by Bishop Pierre D'Arcis in a letter to the Avignon Antipope Clement VII, mentioning that the image had previously been denounced by his predecessor Henri de Poitiers, who had been concerned that no such image was mentioned in scripture. Bishop D'Arcis continued, "Eventually, after diligent inquiry and examination, he discovered how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, to wit, that it was a work of human skill and not miraculously wrought or bestowed."
>The entire Shroud was smoke damaged.
"Smoke damage" wouldn't miraculously switch the dating to the same medieval period in three different samples
>There are rich assholes right now that spend billions on art just to have it.
And these rich assholes, for some reason, never displayed the artifact, unaware of its importance, preserving it for more than thousands years, until someone suddenly realized that it's actually the burial cloth of Jesus. Right. Would you be interested in my time-excusive offer to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?

>>512121660 (OP)
>>512121852

RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!!!

>>512138169
I will also get my revenge on the devil you stole you from Yeshu.

>>512137557
https://share.google/SfPnEE72Lz2o8hLuL

>>512138338
>Quite a bit of a difference, ey? Can you even name this "exclusive" plant that produced the pollen?
Fair enough, but why would a medieval European forger put Middle Eastern dirt and pollen on the Shroud?
>"Smoke damage" wouldn't miraculously switch the dating to the same medieval period in three different samples
Uh, yes it would.
>And these rich assholes, for some reason, never displayed the artifact, unaware of its importance, preserving it for more than thousands years, until someone suddenly realized that it's actually the burial cloth of Jesus. Right. Would you be interested in my time-excusive offer to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
You're retarded. Rich assholes of old horded all their shit in vaults you fucking tard.

>>512138227
>>Prove my statement is wrong
That's what I thought
>>512138227
>Prove how the Shroud was made
Of course it was made. How else would it come to be? Lol
>>512138306
>You will
I think Christ is a great allegory. Does that count?

>>512138313
>Then why even bother arguing with me,
Because you're fun and easy lol

>>512138431
You would clean yourself spiritually after getting caught in disgusting bullshit. This is not who you are.

>>512138459
>That's what I thought
Me too. You just keep deflecting.
>Of course it was made. How else would it come to be? Lol
Then prove HOW it was made. More schizo deflecting.
>Because you're fun and easy lol
You're the one who can't answer how it was made.

This thread is just speculative fun. Whether the shroud actually covered Jesus is difficult to prove or disprove.
Christianity is a matter of faith. If we had definitive proof, then it would defeat the purpose of our test of self-regulated faith.

Regardless of all that... the mystery of how the burn imprint was formed is a fun thing to analyze and experiment with.

>>512138400
>oogabooga

>>512138459
>>>512138306 (You)
>>You will
>I think Christ is a great allegory. Does that count?


He is a real man. He would watch you while you slept at night.

>>512138561
No Michael. Not this time.