Thread 512146204

>>512146204 (OP)
No, because if that worked out, you could have struck a deal without the need for a war vs sudo-nato, which was worth trying.

>>512146351
wut?

>>512146204 (OP)
They should have just nuked kiev.

>>512147107
It's Kyiv. Learn English, Ping-pong.

>>512146204 (OP)
It was a feint. Russia was hoping Ukraine gets scared about losing Kiev and agree to their terms (giving up the four eastern territories). It didn't work, so they had to get out of there as they didn't have the forces to maintain a territory that large.
They did the same shit in Georgia in 2008 but Georgia cucked out and signed the ultimatum.

>>512147220
shut the fuck up you tranny loving nigger

>>512146204 (OP)
no, they never really occupied it, and they didn't have enough forces to defend it. Once Ukraine decided to fight the obvious choice was to retreat back to safety and get ready to slug it out.

>>512146204 (OP)
In the north their logistics broke down, so they had to retreat.
At Harkiv they weir line was broken, so they had to retreat to reduce the potential for getting forces cut off.
At Kherson, they could have put up a fight, but managed to retreat successfully and used the forces to block the Ukrainians in the Zaporozhia.
So no. They did not have any other option.

t. knower

>>512146204 (OP)
“Mistake” implies it was a choice, it wasn’t , from a military standpoint it was a force retreat.

The thrust failed completely, many Elite units were completely decimated.
It wasn't as much of a mistake as much as it was non-optional.

>>512146204 (OP)
The VDV being flown in by Mi-26 helicopters to cover the retreat from Izyum was kino.

>>512146204 (OP)
You could have had green babies errywhere
Never pull out.

>>512147220
It's Keith!! You fucking bigot!!

>>512146204 (OP)
Clearly, Russia thought Ukraine would negotiate in good faith in 2022 lol

Imagine a world without Russia. That would be kino

>>512146204 (OP)
They couldn't take hostomel and the airlift failed. They couldn't organise a secondary airlift without the element of surprise.

>>512149492
If that happened the chingchongs would go on massive land grab and the far east would be better developed than Moscow within 5 years.

>>512146204 (OP)
yeah. huge mistake.

>>512146351
there was no deal you retard. Putin already proved this when he wouldn't negotiate with trump

>>512146204 (OP)
all of that terrain was indefensible
FPV drones would make all of those roads Highways to Hell 2 Electric Boogaloo

>>512149413
They did. All the way until that one British pedophile convinced them not to surrender and promised UK and State Department help them win.

>>512146204 (OP)
no it was a crime by monke and his damned judeopositive clique. that costed the lives of hundreds of thousands of russian soldiers sacrificed because the kremlinoids want a deal with ZOG instead of winning.

>>512146204 (OP)
Withdrawing from the blue areas was the right call as Russia didn't have the logistic support to hold them during the counteroffensive.

Ukraine not going to the negotiating table after the counteroffensive was also a mistake, as it is the only point in this entire war where Ukraine had a clear and overwhelming momentum in its favor (and therefore a position of strength from which to negotiate and minimize it's ultimate losses).

Ukraine no longer has that momentum, and at this point all Russia has to do is keep grinding away to get whatever it is they're willing to settle for.

>>512150639
>Russia didn't have the logistic support
Why didn't they?

>>512147220
It's called Queev, you fucking insensitive monster.

>>512148276
You don't have to retreat if you're a hot pocket lover like the Ukrainians.

>>512147220
>It's Kyiv
I bet you are not able to pronounce this word correctly. Like, as in Ukrainian, not just "keef" or "queef" or "kuh-yiff."

>>512150639
>Russia didn't have the logistic support to hold them
but shut up, russians were on outskirts of kiev and there was no counteroffensive. it's just that monke ordered the troops to go back to Belarus. Probably the greatest treason of an head of state against his own troops in this century. the hell with monke.

>>512146204 (OP)
Not withdrawing from your mom was a mistake

>>512146204 (OP)
It wasn't a mistake. The RF government got a call from a senior office.

>>512149413
the war was to secure crimea but also to stop the ukraine hot blood warmongering and internet sabotage of russia of historical reasons
crim is vacation spot with better than russia temperatures and its huge port

>>512150365
he negotiate.
He just does not accept the ultimatum trump does as a part of "negotiation".

it so funny to see how your diplomacy have degraded over the years.. All of those negotiations look like this:
- usa gives an ultimatum
- we say no
- usa make some stupid pr stunt
- we ignore it
- out of frustration usa comes back to Putin and asks him "what do you even want?"
- Putin repeats the things he wants (the same ones from 2023)
- americans answer lmao. No but really what do you want?
- the thing we just told you


and the cycle repeats.
at least this administration is trying to communicate though.
but is there a point to communicate with retards?

>>512151276
For sure I can't, try pronouncing Puyallup. That's where I was born.

>>512148728
Do you have links of it?

>>512152383
lmao the ultimatum is just please stop murdering innocent people and freeze the front line. Putin doesn't want any negotiations this is a fact

>>512151907
monke has been a westoid agent since the 1990s. a real russian head of state does not receive calls for doing things that make russian soldiers die in droves for 3 years.

>>512152580
>murdering innocent people
you mistook gaza conflict with ukraine a common mistake

>>512152626
Dont waste your time

>>512152580
also freezing wont solve it.
it will make it worse.

nafo niggers like you always forget that this conflict is the result of freezing from 2014

>>512147220
it's actually "keeiiifff-in-three-days" if you want to know the correct russian pronunciation.

>>512152626
No I couldn't do that Jews are not getting humiliated like the Russians

>>512152738
>is the result of freezing from 2014
that we also did when you niggers pleaded for it.


you can't lie all the time and then be surprised nobody is taking your lies seriously

ukraine will lose the war with Russia,
How do retards even debate this fact?

>>512152383
>He just does not accept the ultimatum trump does
oh he would die to accept. problem is, he would die for real if he accepts, because someone from the armed forces would kill him. At least I hope it happens if monkey signs a capitulation for no reasons other than to please his jewish friends.

>>512152738
When a Russian speaks he lies, your cope is Putin withdrew for negotiations but now he wont stop bombing civilians even for a day to talk with a new president that it willing to make concessions for him. It's a total lie Russians ran away because supply lines collapsed.

>>512152896
you should read this
>>512152738

>>512152963
>it willing to make concessions for him
what exactly are you talking about? :D

>>512152383
>it so funny to see how your diplomacy have degraded over the years.
Are you stupid? Do you genuinely think Trump wants to negotiate an end to the war? When US is making mad dosh out of it?

These negotiations are just a lip service to his voters and the media.

>>512152963
it is hard to say if you are delusional a shill or just stupid.

probably a bit of everything. whatever I do not care.
At least I got some healthy thoughts in your daily ration of processed nafo shit.

>>512146204 (OP)
Ukraine had too many forces all over the place. Their travel to kiev didnt involve securing areas so they had a lot of enemies all around them. They also only sent im only about 200k soldiers. That is a large force but they were spread out over the entire south and eastern part of the country so while big chunks were taken and secured the areas closer to kiev were too chaotic to hold.

>>512148149
>their logistics broke down
you mean got smoked by grandma with molotovs.
all those dress uniforms, burning in the midday sun.
>>512152738
>the result of freezing from 2014
Oh, yeah, I remember how in January 2022 the Ukrainians were driving through Donetsk daily pulling the legs off babies and throw them to dogs. Yeah, that was a great reason to invade.
Because in 2021 there were 10 deaths to the civil conflict, and most of them were mines left by Igor.

>>512152844
they just get humiliated by goat fuckers.

>>512152963
Hey fatty why dont you shut the fuck up. This war has been going on since 2015 and the Donbass is going to be free from you and your anti white governments.

>>512153216
there are millions of good reasons to invade and if by some magic trick your country would be on the place of Russia you would have destroyed all of ukraine by now.

>>512152983
you should read what the Istanbul accords stated, aka russia giving up everything in Donbass and lease Crimea from Ukraine for 100 years or so. Monke would love to capitulate and he is doing the maximum damage to Russia possible short of being so treasonous that a reaction in the armed forces against him becomes inevitable.

>>512150740
>Russia didn't have the logistic support
>Why didn't they?
because they're retards and keep doing the same thing for decades. Their supply lines were too long and they didn't expect any serious resistance. Oh, and they failed to take and hold the Hostomyl airfield, where they were planning to land the big planes with the assault brigades on "keeiiff-in-three-days".

>>512153340
yeah, anti-white NAZI defeated by Wagner Group, the NAZIs who invade foreign countries and rape people and kill them with electrical voltage to the genitals.

>>512149492
>he ran all the way over the atlantic ocean to avoid busification
SAD!

>>512153359
>there are millions of good reasons to invade
You could have just asked them on a date after you brushed your teeth.

>>512153405
The moment you stop supplying Ukraine with Arms they collapse and Russia wins the only thing left to do is wait for you and the rest of America to crash out like you did in Afghanistan

>>512153447
blah blah dont care about you and your pedophile leaders

>>512148402
the elite units took the blue sections you dingus. that implies the ukranians were decimated.

>>512146204 (OP)
No, the mistake was getting there in the first place, thinking Monke can pull off Gruzia 2.0. Second mistake was waiting for mobilization, allowing ZSU to outnumber them by more than 3:1 during 2022.

What they had to do was to focus Kiev and Kherson task forces at Kharkov. Kharkov fuck up was arguably the greatest one of the war, because they had chance to use element of strategic surprise to capture this major city.

>>512153359
>on the place of Russia you would have destroyed all of ukraine by now
and that is exactly what Russia should have done in 2022 and should do now. And by 'destroy' it's just means winning the war. Ukraine would be saved by an integration into the RF, exactly the opposite of a 'destruction'. But monke doesn't want any of the above, he keeps talking about the sacrality of Ukrainian statehood while torrents of russian soldiers blood are shed.

>>512153564
Even with the supply of arms its become clear their government is fracturing. Money will only get you so far. None of ukraines "allies" actually expect it to survive as none of them really have a foundation for reconstruction they just kind of brush it off as we will get to it.

>>512153646
The elite units didn't get home in most of those sections. Because the Ukrainians routed and destroyed them.
it took from March 2022 to June of 2023 to get any constiuant force for Russia. Literally what saved Russia in the south was 40 year olds putting down unthinking mines, and a few helicopters.

>>512151318
>ordered the troops to go back to Belarus
>the greatest treason
nope, the russian columns stretched sometimes 30-40 km and were being decimated on the march by the mobile Ukrainian units and drones. pootin had no other choice, but to run back with whatever was left. The resistance was everywhere and the russian generals didn't plan for it. But look who's in charge.

>>512153782
lol, you guys are going to get secondary sanctions, and your friends will be tested, to say the least.
and then, if that doesn't stop Putin from making more ignorant demands of the bodies of Russian boys, it will be BRRRT.

>>512153819
odd then that they pulled back? VDV took losses but to say deimated is not true. they had the blue eareas under control for a bit until forces began piling up towards them.

It’s a cunning plan. While we distract you all by hurling cube troopers into the WW1 tier pile of meat all the while we have been secretly plotting to find a passage north east via cambodia to sneak up on you. We call this the back passage plan, it’s Putin’s.

>>512153835
>were being decimated on the march by the mobile Ukrainian units and drones
you need to be 18+ to post here. if you take hohol propaganda at face value you are functionally a child and you should not write here anyway.

>>512153742
Russia had some really retarded Asiatic generals at the start and it took them getting their ass pounded by drones to put white people in charge and turn things around.
How many generals of worth has Tuva ever produced? no one of any real historical note.
So they did the smart thing and pulled back to defensive lines while they got their shit together and fix all the damage done after the DEI hires ran their supply columns into ambushes and counter attacks.

>>512153819
Thats the propaganda version.

Problem with the propaganda version is that if it was true, we would see 4 digits worth of Russian corpses and prisoners during exchanges. However Ukraine was only capable of producing around 350 corpses throughout 2022.
Second problem with the propaganda version is that rather than slow grind with encircled pockets and fall back lines, the Russian retreats happened in span of hours, indicating well organized (maybe even coordinated with enemy) retreat.

>>512153564
But in essence he is right. Putin did not expect that the EU lacks sovereignty so much that they would intervene for Ukraine on the orders of the US, because independent states would choose to preserve their economies. The plan was for a military operation in 1-4 months.
The problem with the Russian Army Headquarters is that they assume that their opponents are not complete idiots. It is like with the Kursk region - no one in their right mind assumed that the hohols were so crazy as to attack - it would have been guaranteed to be a huge meat grinder for them (which is what happened), so there were only a few border guards on the border and that was it.
>>512147554
>They did the same shit in Georgia in 2008 but Georgia cucked out and signed the ultimatum.
Georgia physically had no army left. So it's a different situation.

Don’t underestimate the power of the second biggest army in the world, mate. Just a few more million dead russoids and they’ll regain some of those blue territories!

>>512153706
>>512154144

>>512154154
if we go by propaganda numbers ukraine has apparently killed something like 1.4 million and injured probably like 3 million. so....the russian army is about what 1.2 million? they've apparently destroyed it 3x over. this is how stupid some of this propaganda is.

>>512154154
Anon, from what I see, Ukraine is dropping hundreds of Russians for a few Ukrainians in trenches. Then they drop back, and do it again. And again. And again.

The narrative was that in the north, on the Oskyl, it's 66 to 1, the Russians are being forced to charge open fields.
That clearly wouldn't match all fronts, but if it's even 1/5th of that everywhere else, this is not at all what the map is showing.
>>512154250
I would like to say, for the sake of the poor bastards you're sending forward, you don't actually believe that Ukraine is resisting because Europe said so.

>>512154017
Because the reality isn’t self evident?
My Poo detector is going apeshit.

>>512154477
Here's a clue that your numbers are bullshit. The army that is surrounded and being put into a cauldron isn't having a good time.

>>512154453
You're ignoring that Russia does a twice year conscription, and after the Duma claimed those oblasts, every soldier in the nat guard as conscript can be in Ukraine, "lawfully."
Russia is vacating itself, possibly being saved only by influxes of excess steppe browns who are being sent to be rid of.

>>512154250
>Putin did not expect that the EU lacks sovereignty so much that they would intervene for Ukraine
Oh God, monke was 'led by the nose' again. But who wants Mr. Magoo to run a nuclear superpower ?

>>512146204 (OP)
>Was withdrawing from the blue a mistake?
No. They didn't have the men to hold the areas at the time. They had no intention of holding the land at all initially. They thought it would be two weeks, the Ukrainians would agree to the terms, and it would all be over.
Now they do have the men, and they are now going to kill or maim all of the Ukrainian men between the ages of 20 and 60.

>>512154477
>it was real in my mind
odd then that they got over the oskil river quickly and are now pushing west of it.

>>512154585
The front is how many miles long, Petyr?

>>512154589
>thinks conscripts are like a fast food line
so dumb it hurts.

>>512154710
No one pulls their army back from a cauldron because they are winning, Jamal.

>>512154676
>now they do have the men
>they just don't have the tanks, bombers, apc, guns, arty, shells...
>But Lada, no top, can do 40mph on dirt roads.
>WITNESS ME!!

>>512154477
>Anon, from what I see, Ukraine is dropping hundreds of Russians for a few Ukrainians in trenches.
Problem with "what you see" is that its contradicted by empirical evidence.

This year Russia is capable of coming up with thousand ZSU corpses per month. Why wasn't ZSU capable of coming up with the same number throughout the first year?

>>512154017
you need to be with IQ higher than yours to understand what actually happened. the russians failed at their blitz because they didn't count on any Ukrainian resistance. And yes, their trucks, and tanks, and BTRs were running out of fuel along the way and were easy pickings for the Ukrainians. Remember how Napoleon's 600,000 army was stretched along the Old Smolensk road for a 100-120 km and was constantly harassed by the mobile russian units and was sustaining heavy losses? That's what happened to the invading russian columns in Ukraine.

>>512154707
>quickly
literally in the last 6 months. That's almost 4 years later.
>>512154786
The only cauldron here is the one holding the water on your brain. What are the big cities Russia has taken, and what is the body count, star count, armor count, and condition of the area?

>>512154882
yeah except you know....the blue areas were what was TAKEN as in the ukranian forces were defeated there. they retreated LATER. try to keep the timeline straight in your head you genius.

>>512154902
Jamal from HR just straight up ignoring reality now.

>>512154902
>we kill 100k a month
>conscript training is 9 months with 2 for deployemnt
>cant gain a single foot of ground yet thousands are dead
lmao. do you actually believe they swap out at the drop of a hat?

tar count, armor count, and condition of the area?
>>512154733
In Russia they conscript at least yearly for the Nat Guard. If you don't know that, you're on the wrong page.

>>512154589
Mmm, good propaganda. Conscripts are not sent to the front and very rarely to the rear - they will have to be paid according to combat standards. And if they die? That's still a lot of money to pay. And there's no benefit from them.
Rosgvardiya sits in the rear.

>>512155082
>thinks the national guard is in ukraine
oohh boy this painful to read. its a national guard you retard it stays in russia. just like our national guard. jesus dude.

>>512150289
yuge

>>512154453
Yes. The entire russian (pro) army were wiped out a very long time ago. They do refill ranks you know, but with awd’ gonks.
The 1,000,000 mark was dithered over with ukraine saying “a million dead russians” and pro russia salties saying, lol, “nooo! Only 750,000” and that went on for ages. Now even pro russian sources said 1 million dead russians about 6 weeks back.
You can gripe but who the fuck are you. Some bollywood brainwashed unwashed plop jocky or seething chinese rat chasing liar? It makes no difference to anything what you would like to claim.
And the reality is self evident out there. Russia is the spungo and Ukraine has knacked them silly and has it’s penis resting on top of their heads. No matter what bric’s propagandists want your little brain to think. Unless you can revitalise a million liquifying cubies.

>>512155227
>thinks you can refill a million casualties on an 800 mile front
lmao

>>512155168
>brah, the Duma didn't annex a bunch of Ukrainian land exactly for the reason of using the Nat Guard in Ukraine
I hope you go home soon, and get drunk in a bar. You deserve a drone to the head.
>>512155268
what the hell else would you do?

>>512155168
>>512155154
They dont even know what a Contract soldier is.

>>512155359
>thinks the national guard is in ukraine
lmao. bro name a single brigade and where they were stationed. please humor me.

>>512155368
That's easy, it's a nat guard conscript who was threatened with attacking across open fields with a 1948 AK-47 and a box of matches on his last day of service.

>>512154998
Hes kinda correct. Russians initially plowed in with 0 resistance and then their over extended spearheads and exposed supply lines stated taking heavy attrition due to not doing fucking recce and not fucking securing the territory they passed through.

Russians did not defeat ZSU in those blue areas and neither did ZSU destroyed VSRF units in the blue areas. Russians just realized they fucked up and ran away.

>>512155082
>In Russia they conscript at least yearly for the Nat Guard.
Conscripts in Rosgvardiya are not Rosgvardiya. This is training after which they offer to sign a contract and it is also the police. The tasks of conscripts in Rosgvardiya are to complement the police.
If you don't know that, you're on the wrong page.

>>512155468
Cope

Withdrawing from ground you can't hold isn't a mistake and there's no better demonstration of this than the fact that Oinkraine constantly tries to hold cities and territories it can't defend, gets raped, and then gets raped harder while they try a disorganized retreat.

>>512155534
True, they didn't get matches.

>>512152580
>>512152844
>muh blood-thirsty Russians
>capitalizes jews
Yep, it's nafo tranny time

>>512155475
oh they took losses there isnt a doubt ukraine did ambush them and the initial ambush was probably their biggest loss in the war, but the blue areas were secured at a point so the ambush forces were defeated. the forces in western ukraine though far outnumbered them and support lines were shaky as you can see on the map they didnt set any supply up in large areas.we're talking about an inital force of around 200k against what ukraine claims was a million active service men.

>>512155600
Losing to an army with shovels and no matches now are you? it goes from bad to worse.

>>512155675
you're using LADA as assault vehicles Natasha. Lada with the roof cut off are your primary armor.

>>512155534
The level of the copium makes me assume that this is a hohol who escaped from a concentration camp, swam across the Tisa and reached the USA.

>>512154998
>the ukranian forces were defeated there
No, you retard. Nothing was "taken". It was an army on the march and that's how far it advanced. You see how thin most of those lines are? The russians didn't even have updated maps and didnt even have all the side roads on their maps ... they didn't defeat shit. The Ukrainian forces retreated from some areas to regroup and to counterattack the russians at their most vulnerable positions. The russians didn't know the areas they were in, so the mobile Ukrainian forces, who knew areas well could strike and vanish, while russians stayed on the main roads, due to not even having maps.

>>512154804
> projection
I'm assuming once they have taken everything east of the Dnepr they will be marching south on the western bank.

>>512155675
Drones completely fucked the Russian army at the start it is crazy how fast they adapted after that.

>>512155780
>hold city for 2 months
>nothing was taken
mk anon

>>512155820
yeah. crazy how badly they adapted.
but, you're probably getting paid for this whle your cousin is in a hole in the ground getting pissed on by his commander for drinking the vodka he found in a local barn.
>drip drip drip...
>>512155869
What city?

>>512155956
Cope and Seethe you tourist.

>>512155869
what "city" was held? and is a city "held" when you can't even get around without being constantly hit by mobile units?

>>512155820
>Drones completely fucked the Russian army at the start it is crazy how fast they adapted after that.
Hmm, why do you think so? The use of drones started around the same time. I'm not even sure who started dropping grenades en masse first.

>>512147220
Go back to your kiwi homaorisexual cannibal fag parties, nafotroon.

>>512155675
Sumy or Chernigov were never secured. And the light, ambush units were hiding amongst civilians and forests.

>>512155820
i mean early drones were just grenade droppers. they didnt change to fpvs till a bit later. early on it was just javelin ambushes and the fact the ukranians popped out everywhere.

>>512156130
Yeah, the Bayraktar didn't have Anything to do with hit.

>>512156047
>I'm not even sure who started dropping grenades en masse first.
the Ukrainians

>>512146204 (OP)
From Kiev yes, doesn't make sense without one million army
From other territory no, but to hold it, Putin had to call for reservists but he hesitated. If only he wasn't such pussy he would've saved thousands if lives we must sacrificed to get this land back

>>512156029
Kherson. and first of all, the retreat was dictated by the danger that the crests would blow up the dam.

>>512156285
Are you gonna agree to a peace deal or not? That's the only question. Everything else, you're in the wrong place to solve.

>>512156130
>early drones were just grenade droppers
not only, they also had RPGs on them and did direct hits on tanks and other armored vehicles.

>>512155675
They knew the military command structure was completely compromised.
So, the military was given only 24 hours notice they were going in. As far as they knew, they were on exercises on the border.
> the blue areas were secured
Nothing was secured. It was entirely porous.

>>512156047
Ukrainians started with integrated drone recce in their mechanized units. Out of Russian units, only LDNR militias would use drones for recce and coordination at the start. Zaluzhniy did a good job there, credit where credit is due.

The grenade dropping was just harassment. However Redditors think it was huge, because "they have seen lot of videos".

>>512146204 (OP)
Ultimately, the main goal is to completely destroy the Ukrainian army, rather than trying to hold on to any territory at any cost. the control of the territories itself does not solve any problems, Ukraine's supply comes entirely from the west, so the Ukrainian army will not lose anything from the loss of some lands, but they hold on to them at all costs for fear that the West will begin to reduce support if they start losing ground in an attempt to save manpower, but this also plays into their hands Russia, which greatly simplifies the destruction of the Ukrainian army

>>512146351
It's pseudo*, Ivanochka. Sudo is a linux command.

>>512156029
kherson? izyum? most of kharkiv was contested for two months.

>>512156232
I can't say for sure - the videos appeared literally within the same month on both sides.Russia had experience with this in Syria.

>>512156461
just a question, how often have you dodged mortar fire in your life?

>>512156047
Those Turk drones really fucked you up at the start but there are three events that stand out to me.
When the Russian Airforce introduced glide bombs.
When Gerans were introduced enmasse and hohol volunteers from America were shooting at the sky with AKs trying to bring them down
And Lancets killing all of the NATO equipment that they sent into Ukraine.

>>512156202
All of Bayraktars ZSU had at start were destroyed during the first week of fighting.

Quite ironic, because these Turkish fuckers were a major reason behind escalation that led to the war.

>>512151276
and?

>>512156398
There is only piss deal. It's not even clear what Trump wants.

>>512156572
oh, gosh. no keychain Bayracktars guys. no triple awarded Bayracktar frames flying around with the destroyed legs of Russian as a tally.
well, guess that means they were just propaganda.

>>512156506
most of the wagner group were ex military from syria so they likely didnt have infrastructure or training for it. they were quick to catch up and even surpass though as now they have jet engine powered drones. ukraine is still stuck on the shitty switchblade drones.

>>512156553
they didn't do anything special. They did damage, but nothing close to critical. There were much more problems from the usual small detachments that constantly attacked supply lines, and the road to Kiev is just one road and steppes.

>>512156553
>Those Turk drones really fucked you up
Lol, no. There were VERY few Bayraktars to have any global impact. But the mass drone war of the late period is really a pain in the ass.
new face of war. I don't think it's possible to invade a country with mountains and jungles and win without total genocide.

>>512156834
you also took in a bunch of refugees and agents entered with them which caused issues.

>>512146204 (OP)
Yes shouldntve trusted hohloid kikes

>>512147220
That's right. We need to ensure to everybody the correct way of spelling Ukraine's cities, because Ukraine is the shield of Europe against the illegal invasion that Russia is committing. Slava Ukraini!

>>512157072
>wearing a suit
IMPOSSIBRU

>>512156950
It is possible just go back to using chemical warfare to clear out strong points, white liberals will cry but it will save more lives.

>>512156484
that's the areas from which the russians didn't "withdraw due to any negotiations in Istanbul", they were kicked out by Ukrainians by mid fall. We're talking about the russian "good will retreat" in early March 2022 here.

>>512157136
the new release of hypersonic missiles by jet has given good results it killed several instructors from nato as it makes the missile appear out of thin air inside ukraine so they dont have time to get into shelter.

im almost positive US had forces already stationed in ukraine for it

>>512157193
>what was taken
>uhhh yeah that was taken but they got kicked out like 6 months later
mk anon

>>512156739
>there is more PR and corruption in Bayraktar than combat use
>t. Пaшинcький Cepгiй Boлoдимиpoвич

I dont understand what are you trying to convey, but there is no doubt that the drones failed against Russian AD.

>>512157136
>It is possible just go back to using chemical warfare to clear out strong points, white liberals will cry but it will save more lives.
Cheap Chinese drones can be controlled by civilians, get it? Guerrilla warfare will now be even more nightmarish than before.
Objectively, USA wouldn't last a year in Afghanistan now.

>>512157295
anon the thread, I'll remind you, is "Was withdrawing from the blue a mistake?"

>>512157509
the conversation was claiming what they took and what forces came out on top in the blue areas. either you arent following or i dont know anymore.

>>512157397
Okay you mean after you clear an area the civilians will just use them as an insurgent weapon.

>>512146204 (OP)
>They thought it would be easy and the enemy would do x
I feel like I hear this a lot when reading about war. Pretty dumb mistake to keep making. How about hope for the best but prepare for the worst? Then again maybe there's more to the story and that's just how it's always explained to make opponents look stupid.

>>512146204 (OP)
Not doing the partial mobilization in early March or early April at the latest was a mistake when it became clear the war would go on and the Kiev assault had failed and Ukraine refused to make a deal. Men were needed to strengthen the defenses in Kharkov region. Retreating from Kherson and Kharkov was militarily sound though given their shortages of manpower at the time.

>>512157911
No, it was literally the entire Russian media telling the same narrative. Ukraine doesn't even want to exist, it's a decadent west's lie that Ukraine wants anything but Muscovites in charge. The few who are resisting will quit as soon as we show up.
imo, the Kremlin did not understand Maidan.

>>512152889
>x will loose!
>no y will loose!
there will be no winners. both countries will be ground down until the war just fizzles out. there will be no parades or celebrations.

>>512146204 (OP)
>Not taking Lviv during Covid
All Rustards had to do was cut off Poland while the west were busy vaxmaxxing.

>>512146204 (OP)
Northern areas were not cleared at all, but merely passed - it was impossible to stay there even if they wanted.
Southern area had to withdraw because of hohols blowing the dam and bridges - so not really a choice either.
Eastern area was traded for Donetsk water supply, which was a right thing to do.

>>512154838
There' s no good reason that 1:3 defensive advantage doesn't hold. Surely drones are making this even worse for offensives.
They're near peer adversaries. I don't think either side are doing a good job here. There's been a huge lack of gamechanging events. It's just trench spam.

Russia win in the long run, but the cost is fucking huge. Pyyrhic as fuck, which is bad for Ukraine, but laughably good for NATO.

>>512158778
The guy is asking me why Russian commanders aren't sending dead home.
I can tell him it's because they've mass graved Donetsk area and are collecting the pay-packets of the dead. He won't believe me anyway.

>>512157397
Shit's going to get fucking nasty. It's almost like the stirrup being invented, as it allows practically anybody to cover huge terrain and have firepower.

It's not impossible that Ukraine just collapses and has millions of military drones hanging around. Combined with mystery meat pakis everywhere, you could just launch AI assisted drones endlessly and get away with it.

>>512158778
Pyrrhic is not really the correct wording here, as Russian army will emerge from the conflict stronger than when it started. But yea, the cost is huge for them and the gains will be...Ukraine which is a shithole that's not going to pay for itself for decades.

Russians already lost by the time Zelenski refused to negotiate, they had no good scenario from now on; just taking poor shitty land that they will have to subsidize.

>but laughably good for NATO
NATO? Its very good for the Americans, but very bad for Europe.

>>512159224
I don't mean to doubt Russian will, obviously at this point that's a mistake.
Russia, in ground capacity, is effectively at the point of hoping nobody to their south organizes a serious incursion. I'm semi-shocked Georgia hasn't taken Ossetia.

>>512146204 (OP)
No. The Russians didn't have sufficient forces to hold those territories. Kharkov for example was held by small numbers of poorly organized rebel militias, the UAF could take the city with just two infantry brigades. Only in autumn 2022 Russia started mobilizing and mass-training new personnel and only in 2023 the Russian forces grew strong enough to deploy regular combat troops on the entire frontline. And only when the Ukrainian attempt to take more Russian land in the 2023 summer offensive ended in a catastrophic defeat for the Ukrainian invaders, the Russian positions could be described as sufficiently secured.

Holding land is pointless, exhausting enemy supplies, sapping their will to fight and killing their men is all that matters.

Holding on those lands Russia would had to face insurrections, terrorism, overextension and an intact army that only had to retreat eastwards.

Now you have a depleted nato, several european governments in jeopardy, a financially unsustainable Ukraine and terabytes of media to teach other shitholes like Taiwan what happens when you become a proxy.

Russia can easily drag this for another 10 years dissolving both EU and NATO in the process just because they didn't hold on all that land.

>>512159632
You think they bought it, island homo?

>>512159224
>Russians already lost by the time Zelenski refused to negotiate

Russians failed to defeat ukraine with their bluff blitz but now they are defeating Nato in this hybrid war.
This war is going to be viewed as a huge humiliation for Nato.
The EU armies are largely without equipment and their economies are decaying without cheap Russian energy and the US is now openly raping Europe.Meanwhile Russia re emerged as a continental military superpower.

>>512160280
>re emerged as a continental military superpower.
>superpower
>continental
kek

>>512146433
ziggers have some canon in their lore that putin only withdrew cause ukraine promised they'd agree to peace or something, idk, it doesn't make sense and it's hard to keep track of their bullshit

>>512160344

UK has like 2 ships and not enough army to fill Aston Villa's ground. I wouldn't laugh if i was from your irrelevant shithole.

>>512153646
they only took highways basically, it was a huge mess. columns moving without any support or logistics

>>512160508
They're pretty big ships, tho, aint they, Cockalopolis?

>>512160344
Goddam you nafoids are fucking retarded.Just go away already, you lost, time to spam nigger dicks or smug jews again or whatever the fuck you do.

Yeah they are big missile targets carrying western scrap airframes. Also all your systems use targeting systems of your previous colony.

You know they cut heating to the elderly to maintain that irrelevant shit .

>>512160860
>lose in Libya
>lose in Syria
>lose in CAR
>lose in Sudan
>cut off from Transnistria
>lose Central Asia
>rely on North Korea for manpower
>rely on China for equipment
>Soovvettsskkyyy SSoooyuuuzzzz

>>512146204 (OP)
No it was a good idea because now they have the chance to kill every single Ukrainian.

if NATO stockpiles are depleted, why doesnt russia open up a new front in poland and insert the big dick? now is the best time to strike while western globohomo faggots have their pants down

>>512160994
>Hlelo :) id like to buy a military industrial complex
>*Drops nothing
>Woman:This is a gender surgery clinic

The UK doesn't even have Self-propelled artillery anymore.
Let me repeat that.
THE UK DOESN'T HAVE SELF-PROPELLED ARTILLERY ANYMORE.

That's how badly you are getting beaten in ukraine but here you are coping with Libya and Sudan and other random shit that only real in your imagination.

>>512161486
Can people actually imagine that Serbia are piping up and giving it the bigg'un?
You got btfo by fucking Kosovo, lmfao. Actual Jamaica and Gambia tier, hahahahahaah.

There's been 0 UK soldiers killed in Ukraine, yet our biggest enemy is getting slaughtered in the hundreds of thousands. All without muh self-propelled artillery.

>>512147220
Its Kyievfefe tranny

is the bong itt that underage indian faggot? sure talks like him.

>>512146204 (OP)
Putin should have threatened Belarus with nuclear annihilation if they didn't fully mobilize and invade the north west on day 1.

>>512152844
Of course not, they're fighting a bunch of goat herders armed with firecrackers. But figures you'd admire that, you fags haven't fought anyone with actual military technology since ww2. Just constantly invading random stone age desert shitholes

>>512162463
no one takes Russian nuke threats seriously, not even Luka

>>512161985
>You got btfo by fucking Kosovo, lmfao
>There's been 0 UK soldiers killed in Ukraine

You are a fucking idiot and whatever is happening in your head is not compatible with reality.

>>512164942
>not knowing the difference between civvy and soldier
par the course for the genocidal serbs.