Thread 512159008

By Putin’s logic that his invasion of Ukraine is justified by historical association and control of the country by Russia, would Germany not be completely justified in reclaiming Kaliningrad aka East Prussia?

>>512159008 (OP)
long as hes beating up a kike i see no issues

>>512159093
He seems to get along pretty well with this one

>>512159008 (OP)
>this manlet needs justification
lol

no one cares about your russnigger shithole subhuman go sniff glue

>>512159348
Nigga wut

>>512159008 (OP)
He never said that. The justification is that the Ukraine is invading DPR+LPR and they need their help kicking hohols out of there.

>>512159008 (OP)
it was offered to germany but we declined

>>512159008 (OP)
Ultimately the only thing that determines whether your war is just is whether you win

>>512159728
Why? You want fucking Russian outpost right across the sea from you?

>>512159850
The current German gov. wants no reminders that Germany used to be much bigger, also the Germans there were all expelled and the area was turned into a slavic shithole, so why would you want to accept some shithole you'd have to rebuild from basically nothing, especially if it's not even connected to your country? I think they tried to pawn it off to Poland too and got told to fuck off, but I might be misremembering.

>>512159600
russniggers sniff glue

>>512159850
>fucking Russian outpost right across the sea
also st. petersburg is about as close to konigsberg as konigsberg is to germany so it wouldn't even matter

>>512159008 (OP)
Germany had been offered Königsberg and declined. Then chancellor Kohl feared for Polish resentment, he cucked.

>>512160055
So do you clearly

>>512159988
I think this is a shameful thing that Germany is held as the ultimate genocider while the Soviets mowed down millions and stole their homeland, and killed way more of their own people than Germany ever did. But history is written by the victors. You cannot fight Russia if you subscribe to an enforce a historical narrative of shame on yourself created by them.

>>512159008 (OP)
no, because East Prussia was officially ceded through a war, all claims have been renounced and there's no relation of the area to Germany anymore. Just like Greece can't suddenly claim parts of Libya, just because they built some Temple of Zeus there 2000 years ago

>>512160554
So was Ukraine in the collapse of the Soviet Union

>>512160554
>officially ceded through a war
brilliant logic monkey

>>512160664
that was some quite messy situation and in 2014 it just got even more messy, when a folk tried to exercise their right to self-determination, after their government was couped and replaced with openly hostile people. If we were in the role of Russia, you could bet that all media and reddit would be glorifying how righteous and just it is, but because it's Russia, it's le hecking evil. Just classic NPC behaviour

It's been tainted by russia. This is the most important reason why russian expansion has to be stopped, russian cancer taints everything it reaches.

>>512159008 (OP)

Germany was justified in reclaiming most of the former Holy Roman Empire, aka the 1st Reich.
It was the Lebensraum and invading Poland that started WW2 for a reason.
Germany wasn't going to stop at owning most of Europe, they were going to conquer all of it and more.

Nation State claims also fall flat now because nation states have just become jewish economic zones with mixed race populations that no longer have the past cultural and genetic connection to that location like in the past.
National borders were created mostly on ethnic cultural boundaries, by mixing and replacing the populations (an intentional EU directive) those claims have little legitimacy now.

>>512160531

The soviets were always the worst, but the Germans were against jews, and the soviets were run by jews. Well jews owned much of print media, most western tv networks, and most of finance, and so the bigger villan to jews was falsely portrayed as the biggest villan of all time.

>>512159008 (OP)

If they can take it through war sure...but i am sure Berlin will become a radioactive wasteland if they ever try

>>512160554
Reminder this has never been a german land, they genocided the natives there and took their name

Vile vile stuff

This is was only justice

>>512161720
germans and russians should've been exterminated after WW2 desu

I'll never forgive mutt subhumans not doing that

>>512159008 (OP)
Isn't that named after a Baltic tribe Germany stole the land from though?

>>512161918
If you actually want to be technical about it, it was a germanic region before the "natives" lived there, but they migrated to other regions. But you can't just randomly wewuzz like that, there should at least be some reasonable connection still present

>>512159008 (OP)
>Putin
>Logical
>Implying he's still in his right mind
Have you not seen him speak recently?

>>512161918
>>512161978
Show flag you know your ass is posting from Northern Virginia

>>512161594
>because it's Russia, it's le hecking evil.
russniggers are scum

I've never met a russnigger who wasn't a raging genocidal schizo who wants to destroy the West for some alleged made up lies how russniggers are le heckin opressed by the West even though they constantly brag how they wuz empires and shieet

Just fucking lunatic mentally ill nation of subhumans

>>512159008 (OP)
Do you realize how many variations of "my ancestors used to own this land" has been used as an excuse to conquer territory throughout history?
It has always ever always been a bullshit excuse to simply loot and steal from the modern living.

>>512159008 (OP)
russia got nuclear weapons and poland would get it due to retardation anyway

russia if smart would create a special economic zone and banking secret there to create nuclear switzerland outside US reach

>By Putin’s logic that his invasion of Ukraine is justified by historical association and control of the country by Russia
No, it is justified by the existential security problem, namely the west using the Ukraine as a foothold for attack on Russia.
>would Germany not be completely justified in reclaiming Kaliningrad aka East Prussia?
False analogy. Large parts of Russia have been given away to the Ukraine by the bolsheviks, so reclaiming them can be considered as righting a historical wrong. Germany hasn't given away East Prussia. It has lost it in a war, as a result of launching a genocidal military campaign. Frankly, Germany should be grateful it was even allowed to exist as a nation post-1945, let alone lay claim on anything.

>>512162084
slight correction, it was german knights that conquered it at the request of Poland and it was at first under loose control of Poland before it came into a personal union with the duchy of Brandenburg and thus absorbed into the german sphere. So i guess you could say that the poles stole it from the balts, but then got scammed by the germans

>>512159008 (OP)
>Ameritroons invade like 10 countries under some dogshit excuse that they are preventing WW3, saving "le women and children" or "spreading le democracy"
>Russia for some reason is not allowed to do the same
kek Denazification of Ukraine is a bullshit excuse just like "Saddam has WDM's!" or "Iran is just X days away from making the bomb!" (for 30+ years already.

>>512159008 (OP)
Pretty sure Russia offered Kaliningrad back to Germany and they said no decades ago

>>512162407
WMD's*

>>512162197
yea yea, memeflag acting and talking like some edgy teenager, nothing new. It actually sounds like you've never interacted with any russian or get trolled and ragebaited 24/7 for being an asshole

>>512161594
I’m not denying that western interference by retard Obama and Biden led to this conflict, this is the strongest component of your argument. I’m saying the dirty Russniggers say they have a historical claim to Ukraine, and through this logic Germany should be given Kaliningrad.

>>512159008 (OP)
germany can totally take those lands back

also might makes right

>>512162101
Not it wasn't those were completely different cultures related to Baltics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

Shitmaniacs lived in the woods in the West then went on to steal shiny stuff from Rome

>>512162301
Again you lost this territory when your senile retard government collapsed which is the exact same thing.

>>512159093
he's half-jew himself
>>512162301
>Large parts of Russia have been given away to the Ukraine by the bolsheviks
the other way round - khazarocommunists invaded ukrainian republic

>>512162301
just say possession is half of ownership and spare us the hypocritical lies and justifications

you are wasting its potential, china has many economic zones
one of russian main problems is capital flight

the US has broken switzerlands back for a while, create a banking secret in kalinigrad, manual accouting with numbers
the swiss had massive data leaks because it was all digital

>>512160531
Nah, they wanted to murder Russians. Just look at survival rates at prison camps of western pows and ours.

>>512162101
East Prussia was part of Poland actually, before it was taken by Germany in a partition of Poland. Before that it was a Balt country, but it was invaded by Germany and they actually requested the help of Poland-Lithuania to kick them out apparently.

>>512162602
who doesn't? you are vile animals, rabid dogs
everyone who wants to murder you is entirely justified

>>512162602
Wow the famously posh Soviet prison camps sounds like a dream. Of course they treated you like shit you were spreading an ideology of death and starvation.

>>512162705
Then give it to Poland.

>>512162480
But again, Germany holds no claims to the region, there's no germans living there anymore and there's no other connection aside from history. There just comes a point where it's a bit too far gone. With Ukraine it's quite different, since a lot of the land in the east has never been ukrainian in all of history and only been permanently settled when the russians conquered it. The first city in the Donbas is younger than most British colonies that went on to become the USA. And as if that wasn't enough, it continued being part of the same country until only recently, is still inhabited by russians and has a very strong connection

>>512160531
If history is written by the victors then why do you question the narrative around the third reich but not the soviets? "Oh THAT propaganda was true"

>>512162602
you broke the molotov ribbentrop pact by seizing lithuania, then stalin demanded more of romania

not to mention that hitlers rise to power started with the secession of bavaria after a russian backed illegal coup

>>512162602
>and ours.
Kek literally none of the shitmans that were in the soviet prison camps came back

Two races of vile subhumans annihilating each other - world only benefits

Shame neither of you finished the job

>>512162788
no thanks, it comes with too big of a burden

>>512161720
>Germans were against jews, and the soviets were run by jews.
Prove it

>>512162933
stalin made antisemitism punishable by death

>>512162788
If we do that then Poland will be in danger of becoming too powerful. They could potentially take over the world. Probably best to keep them in check and stop this.

>>512159008 (OP)
It's far more simple:
Russia is the succesor state to the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union created the Ukraine.
Therefore Russia is allowed to remove the Ukraine.
They are undoing their own past mistake, no more.

both vile subhumans, just a slightly different one

>>512161695
This is how your country has been tainted. But it wasn't Russia.

>>512162520
there were quite a few gothic and vandalic tribes in the area, both of which completely migrated away. But there's not many records on those various tribes, since nobody bothered to properly document it

>>512163204
I'd rather take fag parades than russnigger locusts

>>512162195
its a pollack
worthless shthole that never amounted to anything
its only reason of existence is as an american proxy to wage war against Germany and Russia

>>512163069
Stalin made nationalism punishable by death
You are referring to a diplomatic letter he wrote to some kike in NY which only proves America is run by Jews
Criminalizing a hate crime against a group doesn't mean the group runs a country
Example: "Making slavery illegal means blacks run the USA" or "Civil act of 1964 means blacks run the USA".
If that's the best you have then you have nothing

>>512163278
Prehistoric Cultures (Stone Age to Iron Age)
Kunda Culture (c. 8000–5000 BCE) – Early Mesolithic hunters and fishers around present-day Estonia and Latvia.

Likely of Finno-Ugric origin.

Tools made from bone, antler, and stone.

Source

Narva Culture (c. 5300–1750 BCE) – Neolithic pottery-using society in the eastern Baltics.

Transition from foraging to early farming.

Corded Ware Culture (c. 2900–2350 BCE) – Indo-European-speaking group spreading into the Baltic from the west.

Known for burials with pottery and stone battle axes.

Considered a major contributor to the formation of Baltic and Slavic languages.

Source

Bronze and Iron Age Cultures (c. 1500 BCE – 1200 CE)
Baltic Tribes (c. 1000 BCE onward):

Spoke early forms of Baltic languages (a branch of Indo-European).

Included:

Latgalians (NE Latvia)

Selonians (SE Latvia, N Lithuania)

Samogitians and Aukštaitians (Lithuania)

Old Prussians (today's Kaliningrad and NE Poland)

Practiced cremation, lived in hillforts, and worshipped nature deities.

Finno-Ugric Peoples (Estonia and northern Latvia):

Ancestors of Estonians and Livonians.

Related to modern Finns, Karelians, Saami, and Udmurts.

Maintained distinct non-Indo-European languages and shamanistic traditions.

Source

Scandinavian Influence (Late Iron Age):

Viking traders and settlers, especially in coastal Estonia and along the Daugava River.

Sites like Salaspils (Latvia) and Saaremaa (Estonia) show trade and cultural contact.

>>512163340
I'm sure you would, your flag is appropriate.

>>512163421
the statue was on the books and stalin reiterated that antisemitism was punishable by death

>>512163159
1. russian ssr proclaimed independence a whole month before ukrainisn ssr did so if anything it would be the other way around
2. ukraine existed as an independent state before soviet union did

>>512163451
russniggers don't need pride flags for this

>>512163340
Means you're either a fag or have never met any Russians.
I have seen both fags and Russians, and it's like that Virgin VS Chad meme.

>>512162804
Who said I was questioning the narrative of the third reich? I was just equivocating that numbers to numbers Stalin was way more genocidal than Hitler and the Soviet ideal far more evil than the Nazi one, saying that does not mean that I support or condone the Nazis.

>>512163576
its a Pollack

>>512163424
congratulations on learning how to use Chat GPT. you still fail to even address what i said, there's barely any records or sources on it, there are records of the inhabitants there being called Goths. regions didn't have clear ethnical divisions, because they were all quite literally migratory tribes. Just that the balts started settling there and the germanics left.

>>512163576
yeah lmao ok ivan good for you feeling so hot about yourself

>>512163553
You are repeating a debunked argument so you failed to prove your assertion
>the statue was on the books
What are you rambling about

>>512163565
>I'd rather take fag parades
What happened to this? You change your mind all of a sudden?

>>512163097
The only thing Poland is taking over, even if we gave them fucking Belarus, is a bottle of vodka

>>512159008 (OP)
P . . . . Russia . . . . Prussia . . . . so Great Briton made Germany to stop France in the late 1800s. There was no "Germany" to ever claim Kaliningrad aka East Prussia are you mistaking P . . . . Russia for Germany my retarded illiterate friend?

>>512163620
>Stalin was way more genocidal than Hitler
Proof ?

>>512159228
yeah but i dont care. wikipedia early life is all i need. you coping about some other kike to detract is not my problem.

>>512163668
fag parades' just a bunch a kikes having a day out, russian culture's full blown degeneracy

>>512163097
Pollackia is an irrelevant shithole and always has been

>>512163724
They don't need proof, they have a "truth does not matter" card.

>>512163576
kys subhuman animal, this is what you look like, literally walking meme of a vile degenerated race

>>512163660
the USSR had specific laws protecting jews because the USSR was the first jewish empire

>>512163171
i hestitate to trust chatgpt as it clearly has an anti german bias. youll notice it when you start arguing with it about 6 million results.

>>512163772
>russian culture's full blown degeneracy
I thought fag parades were illegal in Russia.

>>512159008 (OP)
He did this because ukrainians aren't the real race, period.

>>512163832
Cite the laws

Italy would be justified in invading England.

>>512163706
Bismarck defeated France, you stupid fuck
and Koenigsberg has been german since the beginning
it was literally founded by the teutonic order

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqmWX16iXE

>>512163886
and yet they fuck one another with beer bottles and broom handles any chance they get

>>512163668
russniggers bring nothing good is all I'm saying

look at their entire history, nothing but self-induced suffering and misery

they cannot exist without it

>>512163706
That’s Belgium you fuck tard, you ever heard of the Holy Roman Empire?

>>512161695
Helsinki is made up of Russian architecture, please destroy every house in this city that is over 100 years old.

>>512163941
>and Koenigsberg has been german since the beginning
>it was literally founded by the teutonic order
it wasn't krolewiec is just the castle, it's build next to the prussian town of twangste

>>512163941
Why so angry Denys Hivov

>>512164064
>Russian architecture

>>512159008 (OP)
>Putin’s logic

>>512163974
They bring much that is good. They have a rich artistic cultural tradition. Tchaikovsky, the Bolshoi, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy etc.

>>512164064
Does Helsinki look like this?

>>512164075
care about your own shit, pollack

>>512163918
annoying commie

>>512164202
Sweet home Astrakhan

>>512163832
State the laws? The lampshade memorandum or something?

>>512164176
yes very artistic race
look at this poet Hivevsky Assfucksky

Here's the famous Assrapeoy theater play

>>512159008 (OP)
Germany is a colony of the US, it cannot claim anything, it is an occupied nation.

>>512164409
british writer horace vachell invented the holocaust in WWI, the brits tried to use it to get the chinese to join the war

WWII they fused it with jewish ukrainian anti tsarist propaganda about 6m jews are peril

the brits proliferated it via the polish exile government in london

>>512162301
>someone else could commit collective nuclear suicide by invading us so we must own everything
I see.
>i don't agree with how a previous russian government lost land, but i do agree with how a previous german government lost land
That's nice, but your hypocritical feels are irrelevant.

>>512164423
Just as I suspected, you are an imbecile. The EU needs better propagandists.

>>512164127
>>512164202
Like St. Petersburg, only worse

>>512164640
Doesn't look like Finland

>>512164640
Ignore this bot

>>512163726
Retard

>>512164594
Did Horace bring up that Stalin basically overturned all of them in his fued with kikes? Killing Trotsky and such? You wouldn't understand that as you've been under kike boot for nearly a hundred years but Russia had some major shifts between Lenin and Stalin and most have since left or been forced out. Putin is.... Neutral I'd say he doesn't particularly take up arms for kikes, has allied with a lot of their enemies, and he has punished and removed several oligarchs. He's not completely free of them though.

>>512159008 (OP)
The pretext bullshit is just for the normi Russians end the end he does it because he can get away with it and he thinks is will make him stronger

>>512164316
>The decree was to stop direct violence
>Doesn't mention anti semitism and punishable by death
>1918
>Signed by Lenin
The first Bolshevik government was Jewish but it lasted until 1924 and Stalin killed all of them unless they died on their own
Antisemitism is much broader than direct violence
Cite the law that says "Antisemitism is punishable by death".

just split polan in the middle
was good
is good

>>512164771
Wow a ceo. Amazing. I could find more kikes at a bagel shop.

>>512164794
once again: putin's half jew himself
half-jew, half-udmurt

>>512164929
You are right, he doesn't show undue deference towards Israel or anything. He's super based unlike kiked out westerners!

>>512164742
Yes, ignore the truth about russian subhumans lol

>>512164998
Oh yeah? I haven't heard thisvPropaganda in a while. Here's his mother's grave BTW.

I want to see a world map, where every pixel of land is colour graded by how many different currently existing countries at one point in history had control over said pixel of land.

>>512165000
That's nice. This is all I worry about. You coping about it is pointless as I don't care.

>>512165186
Could be entirely fake, nothing in sacred in hivlands

>>512165298
Playing the long game huh?

>>512164998
>once again: putin's half jew himself
This is a lie you NAFO Troons repeat over and over and over hoping it will stick eventually.
The President of Ukraine is a Jew though.

>>512164593
The US is engaged in a proxy war with China. We certainly give our colony Israel enough to territorially expand

>>512165186
wow i've never seen a christian jew, it's not like i have millions of them living in my country of poland oer anything
get this tho: her maiden name is shelmova derived from the jidish word szelme meaning a small time criminal
not a jew tho, no worries

>>512164799
So why not show the world and his people that we can take what is his?

>>512165421
I bet you do I'm talking to one right now probably.

>>512165381
Russia fuck China war is not until 2027

>>512160531
The Germans were right. Patton was right.

>>512165574
russniggers often act like sewer jews, very subversive devious race

only dumber and more violent

>>512164824
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin
January 12, 1931

>>512165574
nope not as single drop of jewish, russian or any other khazarite blood in my veins buddy
thanks for caring anyway

>>512165629
Cool. I don't quite get what you want? I don't care. Agent z is a born kike. Wikipedia early Life is all I need.

>>512165421
>i've never seen a christian jew
Jews don't eat where they shit.

>>512165693
That was already debunked here >>512163421
You are running in circles now
Cite the law that specifically gives Jews a special status, in USSR any nationalism (except Russian I suppose) was prohibited
You still have nothing and you unironically come off as low IQ

>>512165740
that's exactly what they do as soon as anyone lets them in

latest pedorussian subhumanity just dropped

>>512165186
Shame they don't post "Putin's Jewish passport" it was fun debunking that one

>>512165918
your commie cope is irrelevant, stalins word and lenins decree trump your revisionism

>>512166161
russniggers like to live in their alcoholic delusions

>>512166161
>stalins word and lenins decree
First of all nobody is disputing that the 1917-1924 government was largely Jewish
You might just as well said "Jews ran SSSR because Trotsky was a Jew" but Trotsky was killed by Stalin
Stalin's letter was to American Jews who had a massive leverage in America so he was diplomatically appeasing America by appeasing American Jews
You failed to provide
>Specific laws under Stalin
>Enforcement of those laws
Furthermore, laws to suppress violence against a certain group don't mean that group runs the country, otherwise Civil Act of 1964 would mean, by your logic, that the blacks ran America in 1964 which is a terribly low IQ take.
So, even if what you said was true, that's not a proof of Jews running the SSSR.
You need also to explain why was Stalin, a non Jew, allowed to take over and why did he kill all the Jews from the 1st government, it literally makes no sense if Jews were in command

>>512165980
and how do you debunk his racial traits?

>>512167858
It's a desperate argument so it debunks itself
You could say this guy has Jewish racial traits for example
He looks like a rabbi
Is he a Jew ?

>>512162562
>the US has broken switzerlands back for a while, create a banking secret in kalinigrad,
>manual accouting with numbers
way too insecure. just have people memorize banking data as a poem and recite it when necessary

>>512168185
yep, he obviously is racemixed

>>512168956
So you're gonna sell him down the river to own Putin kek
Since Askhenazi Jews come from Germanic and Eastern Slavic lands it more accurate to say that Jews have gotten European genes than the other way around.

>>512168956
Nietzsche talks about this

>>512159008 (OP)
They tried to get rid of Kaliningrad like 30 years ago and nobody wanted it

>>512169370
They are European, the problem is the transnational mafia called Israel that purposefully wants to make western countries inhospitable to Jews so they can get more settlers, more soldiers.

>>512159093
>long as hes beating up a kike i see no issues
How is he beating up a kike by killing his fellow Slavs?

>>512159008 (OP)
They can try it tho.

>>512169621
I do think Big Kikes want another pogrom but not for settlers and soldiers.
According to Protocols of Zion and common sense, the greatest danger for Talmudic kikes is dilution of Jewry, meaning Jews going atheist, converting, not caring or simply abandoning Judaism both as religion and identity, so they have to keep them in check by sending an occasional pogrom their way.

>>512169991
At first they were like the Germans. Shrewd, mystical. Then they went to live in the Middle East and act like Muslims. Loud, fanatical.

>>512169621
>They are European
No they aren't. Jews are Middle Eastern, they belong in the Levant not in Europe or North America for that matter.

>>512169370
>Since Askhenazi Jews come from Germanic and Eastern Slavic
no they don't, they come from volga basin. they're descended from khazars and thus turkic of origin hence no european genes for them which is why you can so easily tell them and europeans apart

>>512170938
Ashkenazi is really just amalgamation of all kinds of Euro DNA. You ever seen a Sephardic? They look way more Levantine.

>>512171234
Have you seen a fucking Jew before?

>>512171234
They originally come from Middle East but they have lived for centuries in Germanic and Eastern European lands (Ashkenazi that is) so they acquired those genes.
>Volga
Bullshit
>No European genes
More bullshit
You're either trolling or you're dumb. Why do they differ so much in appearance then, Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi

>>512171439
a good 10-15% of my country is of jewish origin
>>512171512
yeah nah
modern jew is an amalgamation of turkic, semitoid and negroid populations that at some point adopted judaism, got conquered and mixed in ghettoes across northern africa, west asia and europe
ashkenazi, sephardics and mizrahis are all composed of the aforementioned people in different proportions

>>512159008 (OP)
Germany should take most of if not all of Poland

>>512159008 (OP)

This topic is written by dumb shills spewing shit daily. Nobody else cares.

If Texas split you'd go to war, it would be civil war? In fact you went to war with Spain for Texas. You had a civil war over taxes and break away.

There isn't a nation on the planet that wouldn't go to war over its territory and borders.

Why have you got autism? You made a dumb fucking topic the equivalent of stupid little girl. It's so dumb and on its period, it's menstruating all over Pol.

Border is the main cause of war on our Planet. Followed by terrorism and revolution.

It doesn't need your rationality. It is War. Those reason might be alien to you. You're a dumb menstrating girl. They aren't to those fighting it. It was literally inevitable. Crimea is a geographical nightmare that would never be Ukraine..

>>512172432
>a good 10-15% of my country is of jewish origin
Jews are about .02% of Poland.

>>512173174
Europe has a right to reject Russian occupation of a formerly European territory. If they don’t want to look like powerless retards they would not allow this.

>>512173584
>Europe has a right to reject Russian occupation of a formerly European territory. If they don’t want to look like powerless retards they would not allow this.
Ukraine isn't "European territory" Ukraine is historically a part of the Russian Empire/USSR. It only broke away 33 years ago. The EU and NATO could've just fucked off and none of all of this mass death and misery would have happened.

>>512173425
thats where youre wrong

>>512173914
That was then this is now, you can’t expect other countries in the region to just stay out of it. Putin won’t submit to negotiation. He may just submit to violence. Look at that man. He wouldn’t launch a nuke in a million years.

>>512173977
checked

>>512173425
that's how many of them admit their actual nationality
census in poland (as in most countries) is made on basis of identity not race. means you declare polish nationality = you're polish for census purposes
i counted the percentage of jews amongst my personal friends on fb. 10-15% is a good estimation.

>>512174927
>i counted the percentage of jews amongst my personal friends on fb.
kek

>>512173977
Anne Applebaum is an authority on absolutely nothing, she's a Neocon idiot who has been wrong about everything all along.

>>512176834
>she

>>512159008 (OP)
>By Putin’s logic that his invasion of Ukraine is justified by historical association and control of the country by Russia,
Putin's logic for the invasion is that Ukraine has a very easy invasion avenue into Russia (the "border" is like the one between the upper Midwest and Canada) and having NATO ascension for that government is an existential threat to Russia (and the world), especially in the context of continuous eastward expansion of NATO for the last 30 years. Said this very clearly in the Tucker interview if you watched long enough, Ukraine was just a problem they couldn't keep ignoring, all concerns were immediate security concerns about the continued existence of Russia and Russians, not anything about land grabbing.

The context of Ukraine's history as part of Russia and the independent country being created out of whole cloth during the Bolshevik revolution was just to inform history/geography-poor Americans that Ukraine is not some ancient nation with a rich history, it's a modern country that has only been truly independent since the fall of the USSR.