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What would a theoretical civil conflict in America look like?

And I do mean the whole United States.

>>512179100 (OP)
It'd be shit. It wouldn't benefit any american. Too many powerful interests within and globally.

>>512179100 (OP)
Yugoslavia. Brutal, violent war. People being dragged out of their homes and shot. Mass graves. Random killing. Lots of friendly fire, lots of infighting, lots of deaths over fucking nothing.

In other words, nothing like chuddy fantasies.

It would necessarily be racial. Some kind of civil war divided among political lines wouldn't ever work. The left are noguns faggots who are just all talk. They're more likely to just kill themselves, only good for sporadic acts of violence and shooting up kindergartens. The right are too busy working for their masters, yelling at other people for not working as hard as them, and outsourcing their violence by backing the blue. Their political action is trusting the plan. 2016 was almost twenty years ago

>>512179100 (OP)
Like the historically accurate and hyper realistic Civil War (2024) film by Alex Garland and A24.

>>512179331
naw, the american people don't really want to kill each other.
we don't necessarily want to continue being a nation with each other, but so far it seems like the only belligerents that are in danger is the federal government, which the right wants to shrink, and the communists want to shoot, and the jews who have been noticed the primary beneficiaries of the system by both sides of the political spectrum, as well as actively demonstrating intent and action to divide people and set them to violence against each other (and not them).
I think if it wargamed out today it would just be a shoah and some more or less peaceful balkanization.
unless the military goes psycho, but the military has the option to do nothing throughout all of that and it would minimize casualties and unnecessary death and destruction overall.

>>512179916
Racial with dumb liberal whites getting killed by everyone

>>512179100 (OP)
No food.
No water.
Most houses don't offer hard cover.
Pretty fucking grim.

>>512179100 (OP)
Hopefully lots of aids infested nogs getting deleted from the gene pool.

>>512179100 (OP)
all the rednecks and hillbillys would win

>>512179100 (OP)
Picrelated

>>512179100 (OP)
Balkanization and separate countries along racial lines. It would look alot like a California Prison except without bars.

>>512179100 (OP)
You're obviously not American, Ivan. Most Americans get along pretty well. There's a few misfits and outcasts and criminals, but for the most part we're chill and work together well.

Shitskins and white-cuck lefties would cause the chaos. Riots, looting, murder, robbery, rape, etc. Just look at the past 80 years. It wouldn't be divided like the civil war. It would be largely urban/suburban chimp-outs. Law and order collapses. It becomes a free-for-all, now they're all targeting whitey. Pattern recognition, retards.

>>512181171
Its the law that keeps it like that, without a functioning rule of law it would be anarchy.

Each state already has a state militia.
Every soldier has a mother, wife, some kind of family living in some state.
Everyone I know is state-first. Nobody puts the country above their home state.

Whichever party is in power "keeps" the national branches, defectors return home, state militias seize resources in their state.

Alternating periods of warfare and recovery. Mass fleeing to Canada and Mexico. European democracies aiding the progressive side, global autocracies aiding the regressive side.

Billionaires leaving the country and investing in different sides trying to get in good in the aftermath.

Folk like mine retreating to the mountains and living off fish, deer, potatoes, our currency will be reputation, labor, and gold coins.

>>512180914
cia, fbi, and military and local law enforcement quells and monitors any radical breakaway groups.
the revolution would have to be backed by forgeign powers like china, saudi arabia, and south america, and probably russia.
if the "resistance" wins the chinese, russians..et al. will just steam roll over their "allies".
any grass roots resistance movement cannot comete on the level of warfare that the united states hegemon operates on.
it better to just start pacifics isolationaist communities like the amish and all the other immigrants

It's going to be the exact same as the first one down to the niggers pretending they're still slaves. You're going to have retarded mothers bringing their children to picnics on battle fields thinking it's a show that will end in a week or two. You're going to have jew companies in Connecticut making bank selling to both sides. Then it's going to just end and return to normal with absolutely no treaty and you being forced to abide by globoyankee.

>>512180597
you underestimate the complete vile contempt the insane branch of lefties have for everyone else, and how much righteous hatred many have for them.
you're right that the Right is too reserved to start it, but the lefties probably would and i think more than you'd like to admit would be more than happy for an excuse to take them up on the offer of violence.

I mean, look at what they already do. plenty of escalating violence, against elites and ordinary people both. why would the deescalate and accept 'le evil fascist state' as a neighbor when they are already willing to take up some level of arms against them now? you think they'll just shrug if we go our separate ways and take the kid gloves off to form a proper right wing nation on their doorstep? especially considering what would need to be done to make and solidify such a thing?

it takes only a handful of a % to wage a violent rebellion or insurrection against a state, even to fight a war (though a greater % of course). the "normie" leftists opinions wont matter when the radicals take up arms and drag them into conflict. they already bend the knee to their extremists, i doubt too they'll stop if things escalate.

It takes a lot of bullshit and rabble rousing (paid agents) to make real unrest happen out on the street, and even then its limited to cities and that shit is chickenshit compared to war.
unrest =/= war
the reality of it is, if various foreign interests (and some domestic) on the board are counting on a civil war scenario in the united states, you're probably shit out of luck.
the military would allow balkanization to happen peacefully if it came down to it. they'd have no choice, but the US isn't nearly as volatile as you would think based on /pol/ or other internet rhetoric.
a shoah is definitely a possibility, but that wouldn't look like a civil war, that would just be a bunch of niggercrime murders and a lot of jews packing their bags and heading to the airport when they see that its targeted.
even if the great 'something happening' happens it wont be world shattering.
the jews aren't holding anything up that matters.

>>512179100 (OP)
every big state kills each other trying to take over small states like Vermont, New Hampshire etc while Mexicans invade from the South and Russians from the west it would be a clusterfuck

Where's that map of the USA broken up into red/blue by counties?

I imagine it will be like that

>>512179100 (OP)
Whitoid rebels get massacred by non-whites and leftists.

>>512179100 (OP)
Ice vs beans

>>512181654
most of what the radical left (not the standard left) is capable of is nigger crime tier, they're not a military force.
they're just not very competent. the big concern is warlords and private militias (which mossad aligned militias being the biggest concern because they're psychos).

Raw numbers matter most and in this way California, Illinois and New York would effectively run everything once they nationalize the power plants, railroads, and water. If rebels try blowing up water aqueducts to spite California, then the water flows freely ie uselessly out into the Gulf of California and all the ranchers lose their jobs wiping out the cheap meat. All the staple crops are made in the states surrounding, and subsequently occupied by, Chicago. Whatever money is left is held as gold reserves in New York City, who has the 2nd largest gold reserves on the planet. Between these three states the rest of the country would be divided, willingly or not.

Car? Gasoline is nationalized day one and you're taking the bus to work until their fuel is also needed and you take the train. If you're not close enough to a train station then tough, you vanpool it like in mexico or your suburban/exurban gated community is abandoned for more secure places closer to the industrial core. You work in a munitions factory 14 hours a day and share an apartment with 20 other guys most of whom stink. Any electronics you have are turned over for recycling and resale to foreigners, because they have value. Eventually your local cops (if they still exist) realize they can make a lot of money just stealing your shit and do so. But all the Mexicans are gone, they were sent to a death camp and killed or enslaved and sold or liberated by advancing Californian forces. You have finally achieved your white paradise, all shitskins are banned, and you permitted to serve in the local Lord's manor as an indentured servant, as your children will be. Finally, with the Jewish USA slain your children are bound into permanent slavery.

>>512179100 (OP)
I;m hoarding those beans
Total Bean Autocracy

>>512179100 (OP)
>What would a theoretical civil conflict in America look like?
'Terrorist' attacks attributed to Iran or whatever bogeyman we're trying to fight next. The revolution will not be televised.

>>512181866
you dont have to be competent to still try and cause a problem.
or becomes a useful tool for more competent people.
they'll still try and still be able to kill people and damage infrastructure (important or not). they already do afterall, and it wont be fun if they start doing it on a bigger scale and with any form of attempted organization, competent or not.

NEW ENGLAND is ANNEXED by CANADA.
ALASKA is ANNEXED by RUSSIA.
HAWAII is ANNEXED by CHINA.

CALIFORNIA becomes an independent nation.
WASHINGTON and OREGON are either annexed by CANADA or CALIFORNIA.

If CALIFORNIA can annex ARIZONA, then NEW MEXICO and COLORADO come with it.

FLORIDA becomes the new seat of government. ALL OTHER STATES ARE COMPROMISED BY THE NEW FASCIST STATE.

>>512179100 (OP)
Drones in every direction, the same way every other conflict will look for the next 200 years.

>>512181248
Most people have functioning rule of law at least in their own states, and so long as that continues there won't be civil war even if most Americans detest the Federal government. In which case the Federal government simply recedes as states rise, but even then only a handful of states actually matter due to geography. California is the biggest geographically and Illinois is the biggest industrially. Both states would go hard left, electing actual Socialists, and then simply use their industrial products to force the other 48 states into total submission. Largely they'd succeed, although Illinois would have to negotiate with Canada & New York for the St. Lawrence Seaway and fight Texas for the Mississippi. Most people caught between these bigger states will be run over uselessly.

Using transportation as an example, only big liberal leftist states have a plan if the gas runs out. California is planning an all-electric rail network by 2050, Illinois is 20% electric and New York 60% electric. These are urban centers that can handle gas becoming unavailable to the public. If gas hits $10/gal or simply doesn't exist because the oil pipelines exploded, states like Arkansas, Mississippi, Iowa and Idaho can either chose to sell themselves to a larger leftist state or die.

All wars are fuel wars. No fuel no war. This is central to Russia's strategy in Ukraine and is how all advanced economies work.

>>512182347
nah we'll figure out consistent EMP fields waaay before 200 years has passed.
people will happily go back to electronicless warfare if it means no longer having to deal with the horrors of drone swarms.

>>512179100 (OP)
It would be pretty wild until some anons take the power grid down, then that’s when the party starts

>>512182232
I agree with that. I think the bigger thing happening behind "popular unrest" like the left chimping out is actual operators/militias/partisans using the crowds as cover for real operations.
Its still very limited in terms of violence and violence potential, which is why the mossad shit (which is military industrial complex trained goons, some of whom are veterans and former LEO being misled, and funneled into PMCs where they're told they're fighting for America).
OR some are misled into thinking they're fighting for communist revolution. Its how the CIA (and so the mossad too) works. They don't care what your ideology is, they'll tell you what you need to hear and use you and you'll think you're fighting the fight you want to fight.
I don't think anyone thinks of civil unrest as anything more than cover for real operations.
Partisan warfare is fucking ugly though, that shit is hardly nothing, but I don't think the regular american people (on either side of the political spectrum) are the ugliest player on that board.

>>512179100 (OP)
Am I old and out of touch or does this seem less likely than it was 10-15 years ago? The idea of being a prepper, and preparing for civil conflict, whether it was warring between groups of citizens against one another, or whether it was between rebellious citizens and the government, seemed like something of a possibility. Obviously, the 90s militia movement preceded this and made it seem possible.

But now...I just don't see it happening. Everyone with a job is working themselves to death and everything is expensive. And even if you're racist and dislike the increasing diversity, it's hard to hate other groups for being different. It's easier to just hate the decision makers.

And, I think that's how this is going to play out. The CEO murders, that sort of thing, I can absolutely foresee that increasing in the next few years if things don't change. But, I just can't even imagine a civil conflict anymore. People are so focused on the daily pleasures of life, I don't think there could be any real civil conflict in America unless there's a major collapse in some sector

>>512179331
>People being dragged out of their homes and shot
Most people don't have the excavation equipment required to drag an American anywhere

>>512181931
The fact that you think they would be able to end the conflict before some boogaloo boys knock out every piece of infrastructure from here to the ocean means you’re delusional. This whole thing is a house of cards waiting for the slightest breeze to bring it tumbling down, a major civil war scenario would mean probably no electricity, cities eating themselves within days, and rural communities purging racial minorities like it was the lord of the flies.

>>512179100 (OP)
a lot like the various civil wars that broke out in eastern europe I would imagine.

>>512181931
Shut up retard

>>512182646
The crazy part is, its not even that hard to do.

They aren't even protected and one guy with a shotgun could just walk up and take out one power plant by randomly shooting at it and leaving an entire city with power for weeks.

>>512182938
this. its going to be guerilla shit, but its all going to look like crime and crazy gunman type shit, because no one wants a civil war. if there are good guys in any of this, they don't either.
the only people that might want that are interests that simply want maximum chaos or angry citizens that don't understand what the board actually looks like.

>>512182773
yeah, i certainly agree more organized bad actor groups would get involved aswell.
it will be messy, whatever happens. very messy.

>>512179100 (OP)
it already is
it's not as sexy as you think it is

>>512180597
Are you retarded?
The hard left and hard right openly want to exterminate eachother, down to the women and children.

>>512183012
What?! Most Americans are mongoloids now. Slim and trim and the chunky beaners are under five feet. No fancy white man tech necessary. Not even a rudimentary pulley system.

>>512179100 (OP)
a thousand different factions. race-based in many cases. the idea of a union vs a rebellion is completely absurd in 2025. speaking for myself, I’d probably just start taking out my neighbors in an effort to block off my neighborhood. one of them has a “human rights watch” sticker on his mini cooper and the other is a group of literal navy faggots so none of them are on my team.

>>512183378
>openly want
i sleep

>>512179100 (OP)
Palantir using drones to drop bombs on all you good for nothing antisemites. I hope highly trained ICE officials raid your homes and take you to alligator Alcatraz!

>>512179100 (OP)
Lmao

>>512179268
>Muh peace UHHHHHHHHHH
Holy shit I hope you stave off suicide long enough to be condemned to a skull pyramid.

>>512183125
Exactly. Most infrastructure isn’t protected, bridges, roads, dams, oil and gas plants, electrical substations, power lines etc etc etc. it doesn’t even take a coordinated attack, anyone that’s sane would take down any local infrastructure to keep the feds from rolling into town.

>>512179100 (OP)
Scattered bombings and assasinations on the one side and a few mass arrests and show trials on the other.

All in all its gonna be really gay

>>512182438
> California is the biggest geographically
gets every last drop of its water from red states
>These are urban centers that can handle gas becoming unavailable to the public.
these places will burn to the ground in riots if the gas stops for any reason, the food gets into those places somehow and it isn't magical electric trains

>>512179100 (OP)
Bosnia but fat and gay

>>512179916
It would be as it always is.

A small cadre of sociopathic mercenaries behind huge waves of niggers vs white men who are not police officers.

>>512180742
you can just call them jews here.
protip: they're not white

>>512180770
One side has enough food and water for the whole planet twice over. The other side has the most HIV per capita on the planet.

>>512183593
it gets most of its water from northern california.
somehow it manages to waste all of that and then finds away to waste the water it gets from the colorado too.
if CA gets too green the sheep wont believe there's a climate crisis, so they waste FUCK TONS of water on purpose.

>>512181104
There are no blue states. Red team has all the fighters.

>>512181171
>t.
I feel very pacified by this post.

>>512179916
It would be the populist left and right together vs the elites. The left and right have too much in common to fight each other at this point. Reddit is starting to sound like right wing extremists from a few years ago the way they talk about H1B etc now

>>512181248
The law is nothing but the set of violent threats made by the government towards the governed. Rights are the reverse.

>>512179100 (OP)
Like ARMA

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>>512183773
kek. are these the retards that post on redit for a living?

>>512179100 (OP)
Honestly, all I really see are scattered regional pockets of unrest - inland-rural, coastal-urban, or both - with the potential to connect and get out of hand. 19th Century style formal national split virtually impossible; Spain/Syria style multifactional conflict not impossible but rather unlikely.

So basically, small outbursts of disorganized anarchy that the federal government is forced to stabilize, which if carried out improperly could have awful optics and lead to a wildfire situation.

Known-known risk is dems/latinos hostile to ICE in the Southwest and to a lesser extent in other major cities escalating.

Known-unknown risk is some final nail in the coffin by the admin pissing off middle America, and some ragtag actors acting out in a few areas and things gradually going katamari damacy.

Unknown unknown - "Peaceable Americans" scenario - neither happens, no clear signs of political tension; pure black swan meltdown. Potentially starts from within the power system.

>>512181171
In hurricane Katrina white exclusive survival groups formed almost instantly, which not only protected themselves with brutal lethality, but actually launched systematic extermination raids of surrounding niggers.
Not militia.
Not schizo survivalists.
Normal guys. Normal suburban families.

>>512180770
>Most houses don't offer hard cover.
that's what you get for not having 30 feet tall spearhead metal fence walls with electric barb wire surrounding your house. like a house should have

>>512183194
Yeah, I can see guerilla activities and targeted acts on certain individuals, but it seems like everyone is starting to realize that normal people aren't the problem.

8-10 years ago I really thought that a wider "Antifa vs. MAGA" type civil conflict seemed possible, especially with the skirmishes you'd see on the west coast. Even 5 years ago with the Rittenhouse shooting at a BLM rally I still thought it could happen. But, it's hard for me to think that anyone thinks it's worth it anymore.

Most people involved in political radicalism and doing it for external validation. The Antifa rioter dons the black mask because he hopes to get the cute Antifa chick in bed, or he wants to fuck some tranny freak who is in antifa. The Maga Chud does it to protect his kids. But no one is actually willing to die for any of that shit, they just want to look big and important in their local scenes.

The only people willing to commit violence at scale are those who feel like they have nothing to lose. Like Luigi, he had chronic back injuries and basically felt like his life was over so he said fuck it. If the elites keep clamping down and making more people feel like that, it'll just get worse for them

>>512181569
Fedbois ran shitting and pissing from a hundred farmers with rifles in recent living memory you dumb faggot.

Meanwhile half a dozen drunk hillbillies knocked out power to an entire city with bolt actions.

>>512181171
I've driven through America enough times top know that 9 meals to anarchy doesn't apply anywhere as much as it applies to anyone living there in a city over 4000 people, same as up here.
Only difference is we have jeets to take the brunt of the initial ugly. You guys have multi generational nogs and wetbacks who now call America the only home they've every known.
Whatever,
North America needs a good cleaning, skin colour being secondary.

>>512183381
>>512183877
TKD solves these problems forever.

>>512181607
>Battlefield
Lmao.

>even if the great 'something happening' happens it wont be world shattering.
An interruption in the global trade network that only the US Navy can maintain would kill over half of Africa inside a decade.

>>512183773
He's right. They've done a lot to shit on radicalized ideology to prevent them from reaching a level where they would actually organize, but not enough to completely prevent 10% more radicalization in the general population, because radicalization has some positive effects.
it encourages prepping and resilience in the population. I could be imagining it, but my take on that is that they're managing shit very closely, not stomping it out, which is notable (and interesting).
The jews are of course trying to clamp down on the things they have control of (media and civilian institutions) with an iron fist, making the JQ spread like wildfire.

>>512179916
>almost
>off by 8

Fucking idiot

>>512181931
>Raw numbers matter most
White male raw numbers matter exclusively.

>>512179100 (OP)
A fight over hot sauce packets at Taco Bell.
That's about it.

>>512180914
If it came down to it, they may have the potential to carve out their own autonomous areas, but I don't see them "winning" hand over fist. The Mormons have much better logistics if there was a demographic free-for-all.

But I think if things started getting out of hand, the elites in New England and especially Tidewater would just place a few calls and activate a weaponized deep apparatus around the country. They may not be many these days, but they still largely pull the strings where it matters.

Whichever side has muslims

I will help the other side

>>512181027
They should feel like that every day it's the way the founding fathers intended. Instead we feel that way every day.

>>512182938
Pretty much.

>>512179100 (OP)
It would be short and bloody in the cities.

The Right civilians own 90% of the guns.
The Right is are most of the military and 90% of the local police.
The Right controls all the land outside the cities, including all farm land.

The left controls the cities and the media.

The Right would just cut off supplies to the cities and wait for them to self destruct.

>>512179100 (OP)
Americans don't have it in them to fight a civil war.

They lack social commitment and organization. Their ideology is explicitly about 100% individualism and telling the American next to you to go fuck themselves. You could murder one right next to another and the other one will just start howling like an ape and yelling "worldstar" to a phone camera

As for strongest similarity, America currently is more similar to early days Iraq under Saddam. America's equivalent of the Baath Part y Purge will happen at the next elections, which need to go for obvious reasons.
There's some interesting features in institutionalizing the dictatorship that you might recognize from other regimes, like the CCP media control being mirrored in Trump installing supervising agents in private media production companies to enforce any media produced is Trump-friendly.

So we're already further along this evolution than you might think, though these dramatic moments you're talking about are still around the corner.

>>512181171
>You're obviously not American, Ivan. Most Americans get along pretty well. There's a few misfits and outcasts and criminals, but for the most part we're chill and work together well.
This. America outside the cites is mostly white Christian and law abiding. The shopping cart returners. We also would shoot bands of starving niggers from the cities.

>>512184503
basically the perfect citizens. has to be a seriously dog shit government and system that can't make a good country out of that.

>>512179100 (OP)
Northern Ireland but somehow even gayer and more retarded.

>>512181654
>but the lefties probably would and i think more than you'd like to admit would be more than happy for an excuse to take them up on the offer of violence.
The Left views violence as a Rheostat that they can turn up and down to get what they want. With the Right it’s a Mollyguarded switch with two settings. “Peaceful” and “Kill ’em all and let god sort them out”.
Once that flip gets flipped things get really ugly.

>>512179100 (OP)
The Chinese prof Jiang from predictive history on youtube predicted it the best in his recent videos.

All out war won't happen because of the devastating weaponry. It will take the form of targeted strikes such as political assassinations. In a sense it has already begun with the two CEO deaths.

>>512179100 (OP)
non whites getting excited and killing each other/starving for the first few months.Then whites come out of fortifications to have some fun

>>512184503
You're already itching to start killing other Americans. Curiously you're blending this fantasy with a claim about how you'd fight for all Americans.

You're just some trashy retard with a power fantasy. Your culture is dogshit.

>>512184271
The Muslims basically flipped Michigan red in protest over the Biden admin's handling of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

>>512179331
Eastern Europeans are subhuman retards they kill each other even in civilized times if you really want to understand what would happen during a civil war look at shit like Waco and hurricane Katrina the only real enemy Americans have is the fagmason government stepping in

>>512179268
This, and only a retard would want it. I guarantee chinnks and slavs would parachute in not longer after it's end, and carve a chunk off for themselves.

>>512179100 (OP)
probably just a dr. zaius level chimpout, lots of shootings and mass casualty events, politicians getting carbombed and whatnot

the USA balkanizing completely is just a total ziggroid fantasy

>>512184743
Bringing up those two examples started off promising, but you're on the side of the crazy cult and the hurricane looting gangs?

I reckon a bunkering down with community roadblocks and a lot of wishing a motherfucker would happenings, Then it'd be annoyed locals shooting the fuck out of the midnights blowing up their transformers taking advantage of their darkness to attack W c's

>>512184820
I wish I was as optimistic as you, but they generate so many useful zoomer retards on here.

>>512184743
which you should think of as partisans at this point, they use the big military to conceal their vetted fagmason partisans who do the real fucked up shit.
I would bet Afghanistan was the same kind of situation. While most of us were just keeping the roads clear of bombs and dealing with insurgent fighting seasons, the fagmasons were securing the opium and human trafficking out of sight.
Police forces probably work on the same method. 95% dupes being used above board, while 5% shitburglars do blackops under the radar.

>>512179100 (OP)
I think it would start in California with different counties wanting to secede. And that would inspire unrest/rebellion in other states.

>>512184024
>those with nothing to lose
You mean homeless military vets. Such as myself and my friends. Being honest here as much as I miss war. I don’t want Americans to experience it. But I know some guys who are in a much worse mental state than me who would gladly welcome killing on the battlefield again. These guys are so dangerous that I don’t associate with them. And they’re very paranoid. They wouldn’t associate with me anyway if they didn’t know me from before. A friend who I lived with for a few months pulled a gun on me because he thought I was a fed. I told him that if I was fed I would be trying to compromise you. Trying to set you up. He put the gun down and I got out of there. Never saw him again.

>>512184867
its more a matter of how would local and state forces plan a conspiracy to seize control of local federal airbases, ports, nukes, etc.. without being found?

>>512184831
A colony of Christians and whites banding together isn't a a cult like Hollywood kikes convinced you retard look at the fucking Amish

>>512184403
>Americans don't have it in them to fight a civil war.

This is how I see it. People are too disunited. There just doesn't seem to be any large social movement from any group that I think would undertake something like this

>>512184403
Interesting analysis. Can definitely sense things moving that way. It's not something that's really rationally discussed much in the press aside from tunnel-vision hysterics but all the legislative and judicial pieces are in place, the right power players are making their moves, and the apparatus is largely moving in lockstep with the administration unlike the previous term.

>>512184901


Thats amphetamines for you.

>>512184573
Niggers and Jews will do that to a country

>>512183401
dusty rhodes was peak male

If it gets bad enough people sharing my mentality and skill set will begin to target infrastructure such as power, water filtration, sewage, airports, hospitals, 5G fiber and from there it gets fun

>>512184901
>You mean homeless military vets. Such as myself and my friends

Honestly how is this possible? Doesn't almost everyone who leaves the military get at least like $5k a month in disability payments? I've seen YouTube videos of "veterans" in their mid 20s who never saw combat who get thousands a month in VA payments.

If you actually saw combat how the fuck did you get out without getting a stipend or something?

>>512184901
another war on terror larper that never saw combat
>I GOT DUH PURPLE HEART FOR MY SERVICE OF DEFENDING MCDONALDS WHEN A MORTAR LANDED 200M AWAY STEMPER FRIED BOYS HOOAH

Most likely the jews issuing mass spite bombing raids on civilian areas in rebellious areas. Claiming "right wing nazis" are in tunnels, like they do in gaza, as they shell and drone targeted individuals around their families. A lot of cops and military would say "just following orders" as they comply with orders to open fire, mass arrest, and execute opposition forces. The right is nowhere close to accepting that cops will always side with the government, as they ARE the government, and will take their paycheck over not having an income stream

>>512185107
Who says the got discharged honorably.

Also you'd be surprised the holes people can dig themselves in with drugs, women, mental illness,retarded spending etc.

>>512184901
we're probably on the lists.
i'm 100% information war. i'm not doing shit. the more I learn about the games they're playing and who uses who on the board, the less I want to do with any of it.
if they want a revolution from me someone better produce a George Washington, and if its a controlled opposition actor, I'll know.

>>512184758
The Han haven't defeated a foreign army in 500 years and you think they're going to carve off a "chunk" of America when half their economy disappears overnight.

>>512184901
There are three strata of vets I've observed among family / friends.

>The ones that did service and seemingly enjoyed it, went to work for the DoD or in its periphery, secured cozy lives, lived happily ever after
>The ones that did service, secured their benefits, returned to normie working/middle class work/family life
>The ones who were mentally or physically fucked up by service, got screwed by the VA and such, personal lives have taken a serious blow, struggling to pick up the pieces, maintaining relationships with others in the same boat. Lots of suicides.

I worry about acquaintances in the third category - grew up with one, but totally unequipped to lend support.

>>512184867
The fact that you consider the current "Weimar but worse and accelerating every day" system NOT collapsing to be the optimistic scenario is the most disturbing thing of all.

>>512179916
>2016 was almost twenty years ago
You mean 10.

>>512185458
No it's not, you are a retard that does not what would await you.

>>512184924
Once things start going sideways you'll probably see paramilitary schemes like this here and there. Most concerning is if you see two disconnected instances in different locations. Like insurgents in both California and Arkansas. Then you know they're just natural symptoms of a deeper problem.

Revolt is less and less likely as the dictatorship intensifies though. That's another way you can see the mutation in America.

As an outsider, talking to people in an authoritarian regime is difficult. Because to stay out of trouble, even if they themselves are the token bogeyman of the regime, they'll try to enforce the regime's policies to the people around them just to stay out of trouble.

That's where you get "dictatorship by consent," when the population internalize the regime themselves, so the regime doesn't have to lift a finger anymore, the people become self-policing in their loyalty.

As an outsider that's where the communication breaks down. Cause they'll try to enforce the regime's policies outside the regime's own sphere even. You can't talk to them without going through their ritualistic theater and kowtowing to the dictator. And they'll act like there's something wrong with *you* if you don't praise their dear leader.

American conversations became hushed a while ago already. This side of things is coming along impressively well.

What's next isn't a "civil war", it's a future where life goes on as usual, except the next generations are raised with an eternal leader, and are raised never to disagree with or badmouth him. American culture will be about the virtue of obedience, movies will generally all be some variation on regime messaging. Anyone even thinking of a protest, nevermind a "civil war", will have to do so in a country where questioning leadership will get you put in a camp. It will probably strengthen the principle of domination in American society, normalize bullying or extorting the vulnerable, exploiting workplace hierarchies, etc.

>>512185177
Israel can only exist with the constant support of a supernation that dominated the planet giving it infinite money and weapons. There's no "super America" to give America a quadrillion dollars a year to sustain its own degeneracy when white male participation falls below critical levels.

>>512184355
Police enforced the civil rights act at gunpoint. You won’t do shit.

>>512185484
Lmao I'd gladly occupy the corner penthouse of a skull pyramid as long as my sockets were pointed in the right direction to see faggots like you trampled by the chariots day in and day out.

>>512179100 (OP)
>What would a theoretical civil conflict in America look like?
a bunch of morbidly obsese muttyfied retards on mobility scooters vs drunk inbreed hillbilly civilians
after 3 months no one will remember why they shoot each other but they like to shoot so whatever

>>512185627
Feds ran from farmers in the last ten years you retard.

>>512183593
Those places won't burn to the ground. The CIA handlers and the local oligarchs will take control of thr reigns, arm them and sent them against the entire region to secure all the resources they need. And while doing it they will have access to their entire international network which means endless mercenaries and weapons. Population centers and access to foreign support are everything in that kind of a scenario

>>512184146
lurk moar nigger, I bet you'd take a bite out of anything

>>512179331
This. Americans are divided, but its along a hundred different lines and it will be a while before anything resembling cohesion solidifies

>>512179100 (OP)
Mass starvation in the cities. UN troops coming in to 'restore order'. Lots of dead UN soldiers. The biggest quagmire you've ever seen or imagined.

>>512185791
Also: ethnic cleansing. Racially this country is ready to boil over. A hot war would turn us into the Balkans on steroids.

I would expect basically total killing of the Black population, they're hated by both Whites and Hispanics and we know they suck at warfare. They'd be targeted for elimination.

>>512183916
There can be no dissolution until the economic situation gets much worse and the local elites oligarchs don't start thinking they can get a much better deal on their own, dealing with foreign entities rather then working with the other elites in the USA. Or one faction of the elites tries to remove another from the game due to a lack of resources to support both. And then you will just collapse in a sea of blood because you are to diverse and too intermingled. It would be very hard to establish any kind of larger territorial factions with such a divided population.

>>512179100 (OP)
It's already happening. They've turned the country nomarxist without firing one bulket

>>512184898
I've been saying this for a decade or more. It's not only California. The entire western US is a hodgepodge of giant jurisdictions. Just look at a map! Imagine Alaska?

>>512185569
I dont think their unreasonable use of force would work, but I 100% suspect they would try it. Most young men arent willing to fight, but having your mom get buried in rubble because your neighbor shitposted too much and got marked for a JADAM strike would definitely wake many up. Look up images of the national guard enforcing racial desegregation at gunpoint. Those boys were willing to open fire on a crowd of young women and unarmed teenagers. Zogbots have only gotten more rabid and spineless since then. Again, I'm not saying this is a bad thing, because it would awaken many to the reality thay there aren't legions of "good guys" in government. At best you'd get generals/cops turning rogue if they smelt the tide turning and would pussy out last minute

>>512185712
Oh no, those farmers will soon take over institutions of power in the country right? Right?

>>512185791
It's sad to see man. I've seen Americans yearn for an American national identity for years. They want it. But there always is this unpassable blockade.

It comes with strings attached. They have to make sacrifices and place others first. And it always clashes with the individualist purism. Which they cling on to like safety blanket for some reason, I guess it's a cornerstone to their identity.

If they want an American nation, they'll have to accept:
- They can't just watch an American drown in a lake and film it for likes and shares, they *have* to get in there
- They can't just let some part of their country starve, they *have* to support them
- They can't side with a hostile government if it targets a black compatriot because their personal racial ideology overrides any sort of national union.

You guys are talking about a civil war here but I bet everyone thinks they're Rambo, running around a forest alone. If you want anything approaching this level of organization, you have to work as a unit. You have to back each other up and establish mutual trust. Without that commitment, without subordinating themselves to the greater good, you don't have a national identity. I don't care how upset they get about it, they're mutually exclusive so you can only choose one - absolute individualism, or a nation.

>>512179916
this is really excellent faggotry

>>512183793
The populist movements on both the left and the right have the fingerprints of federal agencies all over them. Probably for the better with respect to security - maintains a sense of open political discourse by dramatically expanding the overton window while keeping the big picture firmly under control.

>>512179916
the right are gunnutters who are just all talk.
TELL ME GREAT ENLIGHTENED ONE...
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

>>512179100 (OP)
Like the troubles in Ireland, there won't be two big armies brawling, it'll just be lots of terrorism and assassinations.

>>512186529
>probably for the better

NO. NO. BAD.

The destruction and violence will directly correlate with the amount of government intervention. Unironically, the best way to minimize casualties is for the government to do absolutely nothing; no mobilizations, no tactical strikes, no interventions whatsoever. Not even food caravans.

Knowing our government, they'll do the opposite of this and deploy the national guard, maybe even bring in the UN, and at that point all bets are off. Nigger hotspots like New Orleans, Birmingham AL, Chicago and Detroit will become war zones. Atlanta will be on fire.

White rural communities will be mostly peaceful, unless the government decides to focus on them as centers of unrest (which of course they will), completely ignoring Atlanta burning to the ground, and there will be protracted gunfights once the word gets around.

If the government focuses on white communities, expect air bases and military installations to be either subverted from the inside or overrun. Law enforcement will be completely overwhelmed, even with Bearcats and helicopters.

A community of Appalachian coal miners will completely defeat a UN task force and live like Jihadis in Afghanistan. Coastal whites will use chokepoints on canals and peninsulas to isolate and destroy military incursions. The real fun kicks off when another country decides to start a land invasion under the cover of the civil war; I am fully prepared to rope and skewer North Koreans as they climb out of the ocean onto my property.

>>512183378
Leftists aren't human. Will use them as a food source.

~Very pissed off Iraq veteran.

>>512186614
Combining the troubles, the slow rot of South Africa and the Yugoslavian war in a great big melting pot of fuckery livestreamed for all to witness and there ya go.

>>512186139
Being uniting this place has alwaye been a struggle, only has gotten worse due to ziggers and chinks on social media. I hate to say it but the because of normoids and their brainless media consumption the internet should be locked down. What's the first thing people do when they take over a place they make a run for the TV stations, 4chan all social media is a fucking TV station that a slav or chink is allowed to overtake... unacceptable.

>>512179100 (OP)
Americans are too patriotic on average to want the country unironically torn apart. I personally would rally other states to come help us take care of the rebels if it happened in my state, and I'm Texan. However, mobs attacking politicians doesn't count. Americans on average don't give a shit about that.

>>512188887
i dont think civil wars happen until people like you are the angry ones. they still happen. i think a big positive of Trump's insanity is the division of loyalties so many times over of everyone including his own people until all they can rely on is their core beliefs and principles. their religion.

by the standards of 6 months ago, I think half of Israel itself is currently Hamas. they are protesting Netanyahu, demanding arrest, blaming Trump and the CIA for the problems, and fueling the American left. if we avoid civil war, it's barely.

>>512179100 (OP)
Something like The Fire Rises mod. at least its how i see it, i dont care much about american politics so long as jews get obliterated.

>>512188887
That's really the splitting point if it were all to kick off. The establishment would like us to rise up in arms to defend them when SHTF, but it's just not going to happen. They even lost their captured leftist young retard segment because of the israel stuff. There will be three forces involved in an American civil war:
>ideologically captured leftists & their nigger-worshipping compatriots
>outside forces such as the UN, National Guard and even foreign militaries, along with federal agencies
>red-blooded Americans, law enforcement who buck the trend and side with the people, and 4channers
I know a lot of /pol/ tends to view "pigs" as being unilaterally siding with ZOG but I think they vastly underestimate the willpower and capability of these guys who are on the fighting front against social degradation. Many cops I've met personally are the type that would never lift a finger to help feds "quell a rebellion". It just takes one atrocity by feds to tip the balance and lend us the support of this very well supplied and ideologically motivated cadre of support.

Who's fightning who?
Why?
What's the goal of these groups?

Got to be alot more specific.

>>512179100 (OP)
A shit ton of factions. You're the least united people out there ironically

>>512179100 (OP)
See pic related

>>512187109
Not the UN, the CIA. And what do you think happens when those rural warriors meet 20 000 Ukrainian veterans? It will be a total massacre.

>>512179100 (OP)
US government has been wargaming it.

>>512191552
>20 000 Ukrainian veterans
I'm not sure how those rural warriors will respond to 20,000 "vets" in wheelchairs aggressively rolling up on their properties; I hope they show them mercy. I really feel for those poor bastards. Drone warfare is a terrible thing.

>>512191593
You can this tell this post is old cause anon still thinks Russia is a competent military force

>>512192062
They're competent enough to make people simultaneously believe they're an existential threat to the west's way of life AND saturday morning cartoon villains that screw up everything they attempt like wile e coyote.

>>512192170
*gets ass exploded*

>>512179100 (OP)
It probably ends with 10 different independent states, US and Canada completely broken, an irregularly fast collapse into mass tit-for-tat atrocities to the degree that the outside world couldn’t comprehend it (I’ve been repeatedly told by foreigners that the US couldn’t have a civil war because “no one wants to kill their countrymen” lmao), a hundred million dead in the US (mostly due to famine) a few hundred more million globally (mostly due to famine), and the collapse of any semblance of public order in Europe, and maybe a 20th century-style Arab coalition trying to destroy Israel again.
The only portion of the outcome I’d put money on is an independent Mormon theocracy.

>>512179100 (OP)
Think along the lines of the troubles in Ireland. Lots of assassinations, targeted explosions( power and water supplies), and hostage taking.

>>512186025
>Full might of the alphabet boys afraid of farmers with bolt actions
>Somehow relevant in a civil conflict with millions of combatants
Lmao

>>512179100 (OP)
a bunch of fat sonofbitches trying to fight another bunch of fat pieces of shit? IDK, it would be like monkeys hurling shit at each other, top entertainment for the rest of us.

Death to murca.

>>512185712
its not the feds that are the problem its those directing them.

It is more likely to be a revolution against and targeting the federal government in Washington DC than the civil war fought between fellow Americans that leftists promote. Very few Americans will fight fellow Americans to support the depravity, corruption and lies we see from Washington DC. Think French Revolution in which the peasants go to the capitol and start shooting traitors in the face.
The most war gamed scenario among think tanks funded by the federal government is what happens when the American people resort to violence to oppose the federal government. No other scenario has more money spent evaluating it. The results of these war games are not published because they do not support the current propaganda narrative.
The fact is the US military becomes non functional the moment it is pointed at American citizens. In summary,
- 25 % of US military personnel refuse to report for duty upon receiving orders to kill fellow Americans.
- 25% report for duty but passively resist from the inside ie, intentionally confusing orders, commands, very slow to complete tasks, not relaying critical information etc
- 25 % of US military personnel actively resist from the inside. These are the troops that kill officers that tell them to kill fellow Americans.
All urban centers will lose power, water, sanitation services, police and emergency services quickly. Depending on how the revolution against the federal government for the specific scenario plays out possibly on day one. Washington DC , for example, relies on power lines, interstate highways, secondary roads and rail lines that transit the guerilla friendly Appalachian mountains.

>>512179331
Yugoslavia, but with niggers

>>512179100 (OP)
>You're CO

>>512179100 (OP)
Here's how I see it going
>Texas escalates their current attempts to prosecute out-of-state doctors for providing abortion services by sending Texas cops to New York to arrest abortion providers.
>makes its way through the courts and either the Supreme Court says it's legal or Trump signs an Executive Order making it de facto legal
>populist democrat like Zohran Mamdani arrests Texas cops next time they return
>Trump arrests Mamdani and auth-right goes full mask off with imposing right-wing control over blue states to great outrage but establishment Democrats fall in line and don't do more than complain as the cops and military all lean red
>escalation of opportunistic violence (bombings, mass shootings, vehicle attacks) by both right wing and left wing militias in both red and blue states as trust in representative government breaks down
>violence used as an excuse to further expand state control and domestic military use
>after trump dies there's a schism for control between the big powers of the right like Peter Thiel, Elon Musk and Rupert Murdoch
>Texas, Arizona and southern California basically owned by cartels now because of the chaos
>NYC and Flordia sink into the ocean but no one cares
>JD Vance flees to Greenland
>Most of the US fractures into several different countries that mostly just exist on a map with the government only really being relevant in the populated areas and the rest of the countryside being slave plantations and meth labs
>Nancy Pelosi reads a poem about feminism and asks for more donations

>>512194807

During the French revolution they used mecenaries and murderers on the streets of France, it was never a grassroots revolution it wa formulated and paid for, this is whats happening everywhere except this time Americans are the problem and foreigners are the solution to that problem as envisaged by those that need to stay in control of the narrative and therefor keep themselves in power.

>>512194807
LoL
He thinks ZOGbots will defy orders and stand down from killing "fellow americans". LMFAO.

You're in for a rude awakening my autistic happy camper.

>>512179100 (OP)
The government would disappear immediately. There would be no "Federals". From there it would quickly descend into race wars since everything in America is about race these days.

>>512195280
You jew faggots would have already taken our guns if you really thought zogbots would fall in line with unconstitutional orders.
Senator Diane Feinstein D- Ca famously said " If we thought we could we would say ' Mr & Mrs America, Turn them all in '. "


https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?pglt=41&q=diane+feinstein+turn+them+in&cvid=47a8f08dfe2742248e30c4de4fc69310&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOdIBCDgyMjBqMGoxqAIAsAIA&daf1=1%2c1&PC=HCTS&ru=%2fsearch%3fpglt%3d41%26q%3ddiane%2bfeinstein%2bturn%2bthem%2bin%26cvid%3d47a8f08dfe2742248e30c4de4fc69310%26gs_lcrp%3dEgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOdIBCDgyMjBqMGoxqAIAsAIA%26FORM%3dANNTA1%26DAF1%3d1%26PC%3dHCTS%26daf1%3d1&mmscn=vwrc&mid=9AA7B51BBDE1A85A2A339AA7B51BBDE1A85A2A33&FORM=WRVORC

>>512195675
Cool story there, Bubba.

>>512179100 (OP)
"Bought it"? This isn't world war 2 fucktard, you don't get a farm for dying. In fact you get nothing

>>512179100 (OP)
>>512179331
nothing would happen because people are generally cowards these days. Balkanians had nothing, after commies ruling and even their right to live was questioned by each other, so they haven't had much choice

>>512195873
You should take someone's gun to support your argument. Show everyone how easy it is.

>>512184758
We would take your local 7/11 and turn it into gopnik 24/72.

>>512179100 (OP)
1. Every major city devolves into looting within the first 24-hours.
2. White suburbs end up shooting a lot of invading browns due to the breakdown in policing. By 72 hours, this becomes the norm. We've seen this time and again with hurricanes: When the cops stop showing up and the browns want to loot and rape, they get shot.
3. After that, the costal cities all starve because their "economy" is propped up on government handouts and welfare, and they don't make or produce anything other than (((financial instruments))). The interior of the country, roughly 96% of the territory, also fucking hates them. And they're the ones in charge of all the food, water, medicine, manufacturing, and power supplies. They also own nearly all the weaponry, including nearly all military hardware aside from Navy ships.

In other words, there won't be a civil war because the sides are too lopsided.

>>512184649
They've already set up counter plans which will soon be executed.They know america is bubbling over and all civilians need to be force stripped of guns ASAP before it goes hot.
This autumn Feds are going to declare martial law, it'll be soley for the purose of force chipping (virtual none physical currency, 24/7 tracking all cattle, administering termination protocols with a push of a key) and drawing out militia and potential resistance fighters/5th columns, etc, and purging them eliminating any serious military threat to their rule over the country.

It's an all or nothing hazard risk move, and they're going through with it full punch. AAAAAAAAnd of course, I seriously doubt americans will be militarily resisting, most anyways. :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE&pp

>>512194807
Zogbots will absolutely defend the traitors in DC. They already proved that after Jan 6, when you had out-of-state National Guardsmen deployed to DC. Which is insane, when you think about it. There's not many examples where the military has ever turned on the government, in any country. It almost always takes overwhelming force from the civilians before the commanders realize they can't win and switch sides.

>>512179100 (OP)
Pretty boring for most of the country. There wouldn't be apocalyptic warfare everywhere like people seem to believe. Most places, while certainly feeling the economic effects of a civil war, would never see any actual fighting. The most they'd see is maybe some troops moving through on their way to the parts of the country that are actually worth fighting over.

There are not enough door kickers amongst all of the federal alphabet agencies to take the guns from the rednecks in Pennsylvania, much less Appalachia.
Your fantasy is delusion.

>>512196274
>defending 96% of the territory
>against 95% of the population
fuck, you're exhausting

>>512196472
The Federal governments own surveys amongst enlisted troops and Washington DC's think tank war games demonstrate without exception that as soon as the US military is weaponized against the American people the US military becomes combat ineffective.

>>512179100 (OP)
>you are CO

>>512196720
You sound very nervous and in denial, or you just don't understand the mindset of power tripping faggots.

Sure some will say fuck this shit and stand down, they will be declared traitors to the state, detained and prosecuted. Most will go along with it, just for the benefits they get for being good obedient ZOGbros.

>>512196931
You have never been in or near the US military. You have never even sat around a smoke pit bull shitting with American enlisted men.
You simply do not know of what you speak.

>>512179100 (OP)
City fags starving and forming bands of blue hairs and various mexicants not unlike hordes from hollyjew television and film. Hicks stacking bodies of certain types of "Americans". As always, jews will continue to rape kids.

>>512197013
Heh, forgot what happened during covid? All you have to do is look back to that and you can predict the outcome of this scenario.

You'd be one of the first casualties. LoL

>>512196720
They don't even need the think tanks, they've got multiple decades of hard data proving that the US military is incapable of effectively fighting an asymmetrical war.