Thread 512186471

The more it looks like Putin/Russia has the upper hand right now, so won’t negotiate peace until something changes on the battlefield.

Here are some things I have seen:
- missiles and drone attacks from Russia are going up massively, putting pressure on critical infrastructure and Kiev
- 750,000 Russian frontline soldiers (apparently cycled in and out and replenished despite the claim by Ukraine of 1.1m Russian casualties) vs 400,000 Ukrainian frontline soldiers, so Russia is constantly on the offensive and Ukraine needs to always defend
- sanctions have not really crippled Russia, and China, India, Turkey, Iran and North Korea seem to continue to back Russia with equipment and currency in trade deals
- Europe and the US are focusing on other things, talk about Ukraine is more of a sideshow

Having said all that, Putin likely still believes, the Ukrainian army at some point may crack for real at some frontline parts which could result in what happened in ww1 and late ww2, i.e. large scale front movements rather than trench warfare

>>512186471 (OP)
>Having said all that, Putin likely still believes, the Ukrainian army at some point may crack for real at some frontline parts which could result in what happened in ww1 and late ww2, i.e. large scale front movements rather than trench warfare

Isn't that inevitable at some point?

>>512186471 (OP)
Has the incentive for the war ended?
Russia still needs to win the war. US still needs to develop new weapons and tactics. War will continue to be waged.

BTW defender has advantage, especially now that drone recon is neutralizing russian artillery.

Why do you think they're locking down the internet NOW?

>>512186593
to hide the consequences of the war from russia an the world

>>512186612
Sounds like what they invented in the last century called "iron curtain". No wonder they're proposing Zaluzhnybup as EISENhower

>>512186471 (OP)
The west has joined a suicide pact with Ukraine and Israel (Jews) that none of the populace wanted or supports, and now they're about to lose on both fronts and it's going to be a shit show not just politically because these retards will all be disgraced and replaced, but financially it's going to be catastrophic.

>>512186513
> Isn't that inevitable at some point?

Good question. I assume no, unless there is a real crack in infrastructure and thus the Ukraine army stops receiving enough supply. That is what happened with the German Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front. Took over 2 years until the trenches collapsed and millions of Soviet soldiers and large scale tank battles.

People like me who read rt.com with vpns even after it was banned in US/EU knew it was actually over about four months into the war.

Ukraine lost it's Air Force very quickly and the first death toll ration reported on RT was a shockingly unbelievable 9.4 Ukrainians for very 1 Russian. One would think the propaganda people would "report" a more believable number like 3:1. But no. They reported a history making record ratio a few months into the war. It's been 3 years now. Russia has been building up their supplies.

There are no longer articles on RT expecting Russia to lose against US/EU and being forced to use nukes. The situation has been reversed. Trump will have to use nukes or surrender Ukraine. Which doesn't seem like a big loss unless you read 4chan and understand that under no circumstances are Bibi and Zelensky allowed to go down in any history books as losers. Very few people understand the seriousness of the situation.

Anyway, isn't the pace of Russian advance actually picking up? Supposedly last month was their best month in years.

>>512186861
Russia is eating into its own flesh to finance the war financially and manpower-wise. Their war-chest ran out a year ago, inflation is rising and their economy is highly dependent on the defense industry. When the war ends their country will go into deep recession. Not to mention the million or 3 people they lost, most of which were young men fleeing the draft, their working age population (and fighting age) is too small to support their pensioners. Which is why they lean too heavily into the central asian wok migrants, going as far to naturalize them quickly and larping as a multi ethnic multi religion empire
it's a mess

>>512186471 (OP)
dope graph

>>512186513
No, it's a forever war and Putin knows that and wants that, he pays in cheap russians slaves and cheap gear, western world pays in difficult, costly and long to make gear, emptying our stockpiles and cheap ukrainian slaves and hundreds of billions of funding that evaporates.
It's not a man or ammo attrition war, these resources are almost endless, it's at the scale of global economy and the rate is in favor of Russia.

>>512186471 (OP)
That would be correct if Ukraine was fighting this war as an independent state, rather than being a thinly veiled human biomass farming operation on foreign dime. When your revenue-generation, social security, arms manufacturing, logistics, propaganda production, ISR and key security operations are all outsourced, you can quite literally fight to the last military age male. Thus, Ukraine has a much higher casualty tolerance than Russia, and can continue to slog this out for years and years.
Especially with drone proliferation maling manoeuvre warfare impossible. So you only need relatively small elite contingents to do actual fighting (especially the drone teams) and a large mass of forced conscripts to soak up Russia's firepower.

>>512187087
Ukraine is a hell of a prize
If the Russians can win it will make all the sacrifices worthwhile

>>512187463
You shouldn't say such intelligent things with that flag, one might think you are posting from a glowie building in a nearby country

>>512187582
Crimea is only a geostrategic prize. Donbass is not worth the sacrifices Russia made. Putin should have just annexed what his gumbo men had conquered pre-2022 and left it at that. Invading the largest country in Europe full scale with 200,000 men was a joke decision.

>>512187756
Prize here is not Donbass, it is denying the American Empire the incredibly high military potential of Ukraine (which inherited a third of Soviet military industrial complex and stockpiles).

If Putin was after conquest (which he should have been), he would go in full force in 2014 right after the coup. But he was, as always, appeaser and delayer. He only went in when Ukraine started to militarize so much it would soon become unassailable, and went in with minimal force to prompt negotiations. Both of which was unbelievably naive.

>>512186593
Putin is locking down your internet because he doesn't want you to know russia is fucked and will collapse.

>>512188183
Ok but why is the wect enforcing his measurements too? Is he THAT powerful?

>>512187756
It's true that if Russia had occupied Donbass -- and stopped -- all this would be ancient history now and nobody outside of Ukraine would have cared.
(It would have been a replay of Crimea in 2014)

>>512186471 (OP)
>The more it looks like Putin/Russia has the upper hand right now,
You must be really really fucking stupid and third world then. Seriously what's your excuse for being this stupid?

>>512188288
You're fucked and you know it. Putin has fucking ruined your country.
>>512188183
Sthut up you stupid jeet, no one gives a shit what jeets have to say

>>512188334
Hohols are ack-shually winning by loosing land every day, right?

>>512188384
Oh ok thanks for telling me about my country where you've never been to

>>512188103
Putin's fear was that Kiev would defeat the Donbass rebels.
He would not have survived that.
It would have been a replay of the Gulf War in 1991 and Kosovo in 1999.
Gorbachev's failure to help Iraq destroyed him politically
Yeltsin's failure to help Yugoslavia destroyed him also
Putin wasn't going to make the same mistake a third time in Donbass

>>512188570
They're winning so hard they'll be awarded with jail if they disagree

>>512186471 (OP)
This is exactly why Trump cut the ceasefire deadline from 50 days to 10. Trying to slow them down.

Americans don't actually want the war to end, they're pursuing a strategy of "Extending Russia" which was proposed by the RAND corporation. America will do just enough to ensure a stalemate, keeping Russia fighting until societal collapse is the goal.

This doesn't do much for Ukraine now but if it works a lot of Russian and former Soviet States (Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc) will be open for business at rock bottom prices.

>>512188103
>Prize here is not Donbass, it is denying the American Empire the incredibly high military potential of Ukraine (which inherited a third of Soviet military industrial complex and stockpiles).
>the prize is making sure teacher never found my secret beyblade collection
Mate, we don’t care about your ancient weapons. We have a functional economy that can make them just fine, as does China, Europe, and virtually every other country not waging a massively suicidal war.

>>512187090
I have to assume at some point Putin wants to WIN, and stop fighting.

I know for a fact he wants to take Odessa since it's a historically Russian city. It's also one of those warm water ports the Russians obsess over so much.

>>512186471 (OP)
>Ukrainian army at some point may crack for real at some frontline parts which could result in what happened in ww1 and late ww2
It's inevitable. One of the parties has to crack to let the other party to win.

>>512188674
>I have to assume at some point Putin wants to WIN, and stop fighting.
The wining is in the fight, Russia can sustain that for years, the West might engulf even more wealth into it, it's a reverse vietnam but this time the main force isn't like the US and doesn't care about casualties and they aren't operating far from their country

>>512186471 (OP)
It will happen pretty suddenly and I think when you see a real breakout it will be the start of a large combined-arms attack like when the SMO started.

>>512187090
>Men are an infinite resource
You are stupid

>>512186471 (OP)
>Russia has the upper hand right now
That may be the understatement of the year.

I suggest you take a peek at Pokrovsk/Myrnograd right now and how fast it has been moving.

This map is very pro hohol and for instance ignores that Russian forces are inside Pokrovsk, but you can still gauge the speed of advances.
https://deepstatemap.live/#13/48.2904461/37.2917175

And it looks similar across the entire front.

Remember that once the front lines starts to slow down, any war becomes an industrial tug of war.
Russia alone has multiple times greater industrial output than the entire NATO combined.
China has orders of magnitude greater industrial output.
Iran and North Korea, in military terms, can individually out produce NATO.

All of these, to varying degrees, are now manufacturing weapons, ammunition and/or weapon components used in the war for the Russian side.
As long as Russia has the manpower, and they do, they will win.
Not only that, we are actually seeing North Korea sending peace keepers (they mostly clear mines etc, freeing up Russian forces).
So there is a surplus supply of soldiers that isn't even Russian, just like we see foreigners fighting for Ukraine.

And why does Russia have access to volunteer formations from other countries?
Because all of the others know that after Russia, the mutts will come after them.
And because Russia is winning.

The latter btw is why Ukraine by contrast has had such hard time recruiting more foreign (and domestic) soldiers once the initial hype was gone.

So what happens next?
More of what happens right now.
As Ukraines forces keep shrinking, Russian advances will increase in pace.

>>512188384
If the Ukraine is winning, then why are you angry?

>>512188288
Who is wect?

>>512188674
>I have to assume at some point Putin wants to WIN, and stop fighting.
While I agree, there may also be a second motive.
The war right now has barely any impact on Russias economy while it is devastating for NATO (politically, economically and militarily).

I think the first two are obvious and need no further detail.

But if we look at the military side, the US has delivered about 60-80 Abrams (it turned out from Ukr officers that the US had delivered more than twice the amount officially admitted to).
The US has ~2000 in active service. That's a loss of almost 4% of the tank fleet in a war they aren't even fighting in.
It looks worse for Patriots where, ballpark figures, 30-40% of US land based air defences are lost in Ukraine.

Ukraine has lost nearly all of the 400 Bradleys they received, out of a US total stock of 4285. That's almost 10% of the US Bradley inventory. Again lost in a war they aren't even directly fighting in.

Meanwhile Russian stocks are increasing.

So maintaining this type of attrition against the US/NATO, even in a purely military point of view, is a win in itself.
And this ties into the economic side.
Will the west kill itself financially to re-arm?
How will they finance it if not by even more debt?
>I know for a fact he wants to take Odessa since it's a historically Russian city. It's also one of those warm water ports the Russians obsess over so much.
The only question is what to do with the remaining land.
I have speculated that allied nations who need more farmland (like North Korea, Iran etc) could be offered to maintain peace with their own military force while developing the lands for agriculture, oil etc.
After all, Russia has a land bridge connecting both of them to Ukraine so it would be sanction proof.
And this removes the maintenance burden and risk from Russia while also providing a revenue.

And most importantly, this would be sustainable for Russia.

>>512191687
Shouldn't you be out looking for a job so you can keep Myshita happy?
How long do you think a pajeeta can stand to be with a jobless loser?

>>512186471 (OP)
Germany will not let Ukraine fall.
Ukraine contains the second largest natural gas reserves in Europe. Largely undeveloped. The first largest are in Russia.
The majority of industry in Germany runs on natural gas as an energy supply,
If Russia gets those gas reserves then they have an effective energy monopoly, as the cost of importing energy from elsewhere is prohibitive for Germany. That fucks the German economy sideways, leaves them politically neutered against Russia, and economically dependent on Russia. Because there is one thing the Germans understand but will never admit to, green energy is a meme, soley to keep the long haired peasants happy.
If on the other hand Germany can keep Ukraine intact and in possession of those reserves then its bonanza time for Germany. Following any peace settlement that leaves Ukraine intact Germany then moves into Ukraine under the pretext of rebuilding the damage but in reality to develop those gas reserves. German corporations, German engineering, German specialists. With whatever puppet Germany wishes to be nominally in control of Ukraine. Then Germany gets a virtually unlimited supply of CHEAP and RELIABLE energy for the foreseeable future, thus securing its economic output.
The moment there is any sign of the Ukrainian front cracking you will see German troops move into Western Ukraine. Probably with their Polish lackeys.
There is a very good reason why Germany is rearming. Its got nothing to do with countering any Russian threat to the rest of Europe, which is laughable, its all got to do with securing those energy reserves.
Extra bonus for Germany: Ukraine becomes a dumping ground for refugees and surplus immigrants.
Mark my words. You will see it come to pass.

>>512191763
>NATO and the west weak and poor
>russia stronk and rich
Why are you in a western country instead of returning to russia?

>>512191849
>Germany will not let Ukraine fall.
Good luck with that. Germany already let Germany fall, they have no say in the fate of Ukraine.

>>512191849
Out of 5 gas deposits only one is outside Russian occupation and reach (the one in Liov).
The funny part is they already consneeded the fields in Donbas-Kharkov to Shell & Chevron.
Blackrock Mertz should've checked the war map before dreaming of gas.

>>512191947
My argument is based on geopolitical reality, yours is based on feelings, lol, you woman. Make me a sammich.

>>512191947
The idea that Germany has an independent foreign policy is laughable. They're officially listed as an enemy state at the UN, their country is covered with foreign military bases, their society riddled with foreign spies. Theyre a vassal NATO. Just 4 years ago they were enjoying importing cheap Russian gas and exporting them cars. Now look at them. The quicker this war is over the better for Germany.

>>512192125
The final deal is cut once the peace has been secured. Germany could put anyone they want in power in Ukraine.

>>512192215
The geopolitical reality says Chevron and Shell got scammed by Ukraine into thinking they'll ever exploit gas deposits that are found in Donbas and Kharkov.
Geopolitically speaking, the West is ran by demented grandmas that can be scammed by jeets.

>>512192215
>geopolitical reality
kek, explain which part of german society is going to go and do battle with the russian army. The men who are too weak to even defend their own homeland are going to go and defend the ukraine? Your viewpoint isn't an argument and it is delusional at best.

>>512192310
Germany can dream of exploiting the gas deposit in Liov, but dreams are just dreams. By the time the war is over Ukraine will not be allowed to have economic ties with the EU.
As things sit right now, Russia added no EU to their list of demands.

>>512191946
>Why are you in a western country instead of returning to russia?
Why are you making nonsensical ramblings instead of proper arguments?

>NATO and the west weak and poor
Never said it.
>russia stronk and rich
Never said it.

However, the western economies are unsustainable as anyone can see when glancing at their economic numbers.
The Eurozone has over 87% debt to GDP, which at a 3% yield means ~6% of all taxes collected goes to pay interest (and increasing).
The US is in that regard in a many times worse situation.

Both have massive issues finding a foreign partner willing to refinance their debts (China, India, Russia etc have stopped refinancing western debt or significantly reduced purchasing it).
And we see how the economy itself is devolving while the need for more debt keeps increasing.

In Russia they are cutting interest rates now, and their financial crisis if you will, was economic over heating with nearly 0% unemployment rates.

This does not mean Russia is rich or stronk, but it means Russia is growing economically, sustainably and quality of life in general is improving.
In the west we see the reverse.

Already I have actually considered moving with my family to Russia, but it would make visiting family much harder and it would be very difficult for the children and my wife to adjust.
That is mainly what is holding me back from going.
Family.
And ofc that my life here is very comfy.
And Sweden, after Switzerland, are probably the two European countries that in economic terms are the best to live in.

>>512187087
>Their war-chest ran out a year ago, inflation is rising and their economy is highly dependent on the defense industry. When the war ends their country will go into deep recession.
You're contradicting yourself. Defence industry can't support economy by itself if there is no money influx. In USA, where their weapon industry is fueled with money printer or eurocuck buyers, there may be an economic boost from it. Russia has to spend their own oil/gas money on defence, and they're not running out of that soon

> Not to mention the million or 3 people they lost
why don't you mention 10 gorillion people lost? Their losses are less than a 300k

>>512186513
The conditions for an army to collapse are essentially that it suffers unsustainable losses for long enough that combat effectiveness plummets across the front, or for morale to collapse due to extenuating factors.

Morale is intangible but there haven't been any indications of systematic morale problems in Ukraine for either side. It's hard to tell if Ukraine's losses have been meaningfully outpacing sustainment because of fog of war but basically nothing suggests that Russia has been able to inflict those kinds of losses on the frontline.

In WW1, German morale collapsed because of the food shortages caused by British blockading, and because of a successful counteroffensive rolling back the kauserslacht's hard fought gains. These conditions didn't just break the morale of the army, they triggered a revolution back home in order to force the Kaiser to accept surrender. In WW2, the eastern front entered freefall quite early basically due to western pressure diverting and stifling so much German production that they couldn't effectively mount a defense across the wide, high intensity front in the east. Hitler sought to trade space for time there but Germany simply ran out of shit and started getting slapped around once it no longer had enough tanks to maintain its doctrinal strength. Ukraine's situation is fundamentally different, since it's fighting a single-front war and so much of its material sustainment is coming from foreign aid. The question is whether it has enough manpower to manage its losses, which is honestly an open question.

>>512192955
1 million is plausible if we include MIA and WIA.
However, the 6 million figure is unlikely. 200k at most and imprisoned for being commies. Typhus was rampant because they refuse to wash.

>>512186471 (OP)
shaheed is such trash

>>512192610
What a laughably pitiful vatnig copypasta. You are a russian virgin incel fleeing the draft living on daddy's money being a parasite in the west. And of course raging on the internet all day long about west bad, russia good.

>>512192400
Engaging with a turbo tard such as yourself is a waste of time. But I will say this. Its past your bedtime, your grandfather is waiting for you.

>>512193113
>Typhus was rampant because they refuse to wash
HURR DURR MONGOLOID HORDE REFUSES TO WASH
how fucking naive are you?

The reason Ukrainians are so stubborn is that 3 times in living memory they starved under Russian rule.
(after WWI, in 1930s, and again after WWII)
So it's similar motivation to why the Irish were so determined to break free of British rule a century ago.
They see it as a matter of literal survival.

>>512193213
>fleeing the draft living on daddy's money
dodge the draft in Russia is much more cheaper that to flee to EU. You just need to fake some disease from a long list
That is if you don't believe that russians are being forcibly rounded up on the streets and send to the frontline and talking about usual 1-year mandatory service

>>512193426
Bot detected.

Posting in a zigger self suck thread

>>512193514
> 3 times in living memory they starved under Russian rule
proceeded to live peacefully with russians for the next 70 years
and the supposed maidan revolution happened with a modern generation that never starved in their life, nor their parents or grandparents. Totally reasonable

>>512193271
Not an argument. You seem to think it works on magic or something. They'll just wave a wand an an army willing to fight and die in ukraine will coalesce out of the ether. Germany is being raped and for some reason you expect german men to go and die in someone else's country. It's foolishness from you and nothing more, you seem like kind of an idiot.

>>512192431
EU expansion into Ukraine will not turn profitable after expenses of this war for at least 30 years.

>>512193832
You're not factoring-in corruption.

>>512193811
Yes, and the Irish rebellion broke out 80 years after the famine.
Things like that leave a deep impression.

>>512193907
if all the things that "leave a deep impression" led to wars on their own, Europe would be constanly war-torn even now. This is not a valid reason

When this war started I thought Ukraine would collapse quickly. I think everybody thought that. Putin obviously did.
The moment I realized it was serious was when I saw a bunch of old people going out to meet the tanks with molotov cocktails.
That was a mindfuck because I can't imagine our boomers ever doing something similar.

>>512186471 (OP)
>missiles and drone attacks from Russia are going up massively
Mainly thanks to Ukrainian AA failing and there being fewer military targets like tanks for Russia to attack, so the strategic targets get it instead.
>750,000 vs 400,000
That's not in itself the critical issue by any means, and Ukraine sustained a lot of entirely avoidable losses, say in Kursk or the Springsummeroffensive.
>sanctions have not really crippled Russia, and China, India, Turkey, Iran and North Korea seem to continue to back Russia with equipment and currency in trade deals
Exhibit A) Globohomo isn't the world; in fact it's a bunch of slaves; the main purpose of this conflict is damaging Europe, not Russia specifically. Exhibit B) trading has absolutely nothing to do with "backing".
>Europe and the US are focusing on other things, talk about Ukraine is more of a sideshow
More like there's absolutely nothing they could do besides making clowns of themselves as before. Their only other option is getting obliterated in nuclear fire.

And at no point will this conflict have any real similarities to WW2.

>>512194180
Ukraine did collapse quickly, but they were told to not settle after all and instead THD because NATO is totally going to save them! The thing was essentially settled during the initial Russian push, until hyhyls changed their minds, and now they are/will pay the price in perpetuity.

>>512195430
>strategic targets
Such as schools, hospitals, churches, and other places where there are only civilians?

>>512195617
I couldn't think of a better term desu.
Are electrical transformers strategic targets? Not exactly. But they aren't tactical targets either.
And sure, show me that list of lowest-civilian-to-military-casualty-ratio-in-the-history-of-warfare.

Notice how petty everything in the west is (them still calling these drones Shaheds instead of the Russian name Geran-2). These drones are of a whole new design, mass produced inside Russia as Geran-2 (pic rel). But by calling it Shahed they are basically doing the "Russia is a gas station they can't make anything themselves" thing. I truly despise the west in every way shape and form. Everything is fake, everything is being lied about / manipulated to push some hidden agenda. It is exhausting. Can't wait for all the propaganda to come crashing down when the Russians inevitable win a complete victory.

>>512186861
good post, but this one
>Very few people understand the seriousness of the situation.
is truly something you rarely read. have a (You) anon

>>512192125
Shell and Chevron have been partnered with Russia the entire war. Thier assets will get siezed if they spend Russias frozen money.
The USA got pissed when ukraine drone struck a chevron oil rig offshore.

>>512186471 (OP)
Yes, but NAFO fags will insist Russia has lost their army 5x over, despite Russia constantly advancing and Ukraine constantly retreating. They're in Baghdad Bob-tier territory with regards to buying their own propaganda.

And Trump talking tough on Russia isn't really going to stop Russia since Biden decided to retardedly decouple Russia from the world's financial systems (probably at the behest of jews) in order to collapse their economy. But it didn't work. So what incentive is there for Putin to stop?

Oh I forgot to mention the jews lost a lot of their soft power because Russia banned their NGOs. So there's not going to be a surprise coup attempt in Moscow or anything with paid agitators.

>>512195861
everything is fake in russia too, like our leaders, putin loves conducting genocide of the white population, this is just a turf war not an ideological war, if it causes political instability it might be useful for us, but that's about it

Why do you keep calling this "war"?
Our entire leadership is still alive and better than ever, despite being within reach of half the ruzzian arsenal.
Red square is still safe and sound and untouched despite us having the reach to hit it.
Major logistic hubs and roads and bridges are still perfectly functioning on both sides.
There is no political assassinations or even attempts at those from neither sides.
Neither side is even acknowledging this as war on paper and refuse to implement measures specifically designed for war times.
Only poor are being sent to the frontline while rich are living in the luxury that western men can't even imagine and openly mock military.
Military itself is viewed in society as a punishment not duty.
This is no war. This is cooperative mutual genocide. Both parties are set to cull as much population as they possibly can, supported and guided by westoid psychopaths and their jewish overlords. Call it right.

>>512195861
When are you moving to russia?

>>512195617
Ok faggot
Everyone knows the ukrainan army hides behind civillians. Independent observers have reported it

>>512186471 (OP)
all the united states needs to do is declare piracy against russia legal. Everything that russia is unable to protect with force of arms will be fair game for anyone that wants it.

>>512195861
Kinda irrelevant in a Cold War context. Soviets didn't name their fighters Flanker, Fishbed or Fulcrum either.
Now of course calling your enemy bad names is.. not exactly surprising either. They've been doing it for 200000 years.
Doesn't matter fuck. People believing what they are told in a complete absence of reliable evidence are beyond help, and ultimately it doesn't matter they call it Shahed, Geranium or EvilHitlerDrone. The flying Holocaust. The lawnmower of doom. I heard there actually is a pilot inside like with Kamikaze. A child. They make children fly their suicide bombs. Captured Jewish-Ukrainian children.

>>512195617
> where there are only civilians?
Civvies sporting multicam yes. Eat shit Pradesh we’ll decolonise and debalkanize the ukraine

>>512186593
The war has been going on for the third year.
Judoanon is outright lying.

The reason for the UNANIMOUS blocking is something else.
The sae way, they also UNANIMOUSLY agreed to covid lockdowns 5 years ago.

"Dont look up, internet version"

Something real is on the way.

>>512196173
I agree with you completely, and am glad there are sane persons on the 'other' side.
Fuck them all, politics on both sides.

>>512196235
Link to one such "independent observer", John Smith from Ohio oblast.

>>512196173
>Our entire leadership is still alive and better than ever
That's precisely what makes it a war by modern standards.
>peons die
>rulers laugh
It's only when you get really close to ultimately losing that the leaders also suffer; suffer the humiliation of having to move their embezzled billions offshore (which they already did) and then going into exile to Florida, earning millions seething about goyim on TV.

The thing you imagine wouldn't be considered a war either but more of a decapitation strike or coup or regime change attempt.
In effect there are two schools of war:
One where you make the enemy (politicians) comply with your (politicians) demands: politics by other means. This is the usual case when militaries are fighting each other, and for this to be possible the enemy leadership has to remain alive in some form.
The other is where you destroy the opponents political system of control; destroying and disrupting their leadership structure and essentially spreading chaos.
This second approach has many downsides.
>the enemy will also try to kill you (politician) back, and you don't like to die; you only like when peons die
>if you're not totally successful eradicating their leadership this will simply itensify resistance; new leaders may be even more radical
>it doesn't necessarily avoid conventional warfare (peons shooting at peons)
>other regimes will hate you because the are also run by politicians who don't want to die and will see your behavior as destabilizing and disrespectful
Kings do not kill kings.

>>512196673
here you're welcome

>>512186861
>It was OVER 4 months into 2022!
>3 years later
>No signs of progress
How do you niggers live in delusion like this? It's so retarded it makes my head spin. This is even worse than the "vaxxies will drop dead" shit since you can literally watch the combat footage and frontline movement

>>512196673
You are a faggot paid to be here
>everyone who tells the truth is a russian spy!
You tranny faggot shills need new material

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

The Ukrainian military has routinely set up bases in schools in towns and villages in Donbas and in the Mykolaiv area. Schools have been temporarily closed to students since the conflict began, but in most cases the buildings were located close to populated civilian neighbourhoods

At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles.

Russian forces struck many of the schools used by Ukrainian forces. In at least three towns, after Russian bombardment of the schools, Ukrainian soldiers moved to other schools nearby, putting the surrounding neighbourhoods at risk of similar attacks

>>512196912
That is quite far removed from the "American" poster's original claim. You need sync up better with your teammate.

>>512196912
"Hides behind" may be exaggerated in most cases, but there were also high profile cases where the use of human shields was obvious.
Simply basing military equipment inside a city doesn't seem to qualify for endangering civilians (which it does), because everybody does it when they feel like it.
Now if you shoot weapons from occupied tower blocks or hide your vehicles/troops in civilian structures... yeah.

>>512197105
he said
>ukrainan army hides behind civillians
which is what AI criticized. it's the same claim

>>512197105
Cope lol

>>512197090
Kek. You cannot make this shit up. You literally linked to the same exact thing your fellow russian paid shill did. You even took an exact quote out of context.
>>512197176
Not at all the same claim. He lies like a russian, but you know this of course.

>>512191763
>Meanwhile Russian stocks are increasing
Yeah the stocks went up so much that I see them go down to t60s and t72s in the drone footage
The secondhand embarassment from these threads is too strong. I can't fucking take it. You Slavic niggers live in an alternate reality

>>512197286
>Ukrainische Truppen haben nach Untersuchungen von Amnesty International Zivilist*innen gefährdet, indem sie Stützpunkte in Wohngebieten errichtet und von dort aus Angriffe durchgeführt haben. Zum Teil bezogen sie in Schulen und Krankenhäusern Position. Bei darauf folgenden russischen Angriffen auf bewohnte Gebiete wurden Zivilist*innen getötet und zivile Infrastruktur zerstört.
>https://www.amnesty.de/allgemein/pressemitteilung/ukraine-kampftaktik-der-ukrainischen-armee-gefaehrdet-zivilpersonen

>>512196732
>That's precisely what makes it a war by modern standards.
Kill your enemies or die. Make them surrender or surrender yourself. That's war. Not you jewish nonsense.
Defence ministers and important figures walking freely in the middle of the cities and giving tv interviews in the well known locations is not war. President visiting the frontline city and suddenly bombing there completely stops is not war. Major supply hubs and roads being untargetable for years is not war. Not attempts to assassinate your opponent's politicians and people of power is not war.
>Kings do not kill kings.
This is why modern world is such a shithole. What a fantastic idea, let's give some faggots infinite power and zero accountability not even before those of the same status. What could possibly go wrong.

>>512187087
and then 2 weeks later you again scratch your head and ask why none of the things you projected happened still

>>512196173
zelensky destroyed ukraine, 10 million people left, 2 million are dead or cripples, no children are being born, the most prosperous territories are already part of Russia. Why would Russia want to kill Zelensky and his minios?

>>512197286
Thats because it was a huge deal when the war started you disgusting fucking troon.
Glohohomo freaked out and cancelled thier funding for telling people the thruth.

>well its true but you are a russian spy!
What a pathetic piece of shit you are

>>512193514
>The reason Ukrainians are so stubborn
is that they live in nazist dictature where they are forbidden to leave country, are grabbed on streets to sent as cannon fodder, all opposition parties and media banned, western puppet Dictator cancelled elections and any discent would make you end in SBU torture chamber or in a grave

>>512197401
It's not like I made this up or endorse it in any real way; although cattle may legit deserve to suffer this clown world shit.
>get drafted
>die for some fat faggot in an office
>because he couldn't agree with some other fat faggot 500km away
These sorts of "modern wars" essentially are 100% avoidable. Ukraine being a fantastic example.
>200% avoidable
So maybe this "war" you speak of; this need to kill your enemy; should apply first and foremost to the guy who wants to send you to die, not the foreign guy who tries to affect your ruling regime (that has no qualms about sending you to die), or the dumbass guy that foreign guy sends to make you kneel to him instead of kneeling to this other fat faggot you are currently kneeling to; basically the question is:
>how bad is it really to kneel to some other guy instead of the guy whose boots you are currently polishing?

>defence minister
Those don't actually make any military decisions, generally speaking.
In Germany our defence minister routinely is a woman or a faggot who never served.

>>512186559
The Russians are jamming. There is no deep remote control drones. Artillery is not being eliminated as you are suggesting. You're wrong. Fly by wire drones are being used now and have extremely limited range. These types of drones are nowhere near Russian artillery.

>>512197865
https://ghostintheshell.fandom.com/wiki/Sustainable_War

>>512197933
Fiber drones have a 20km range. China says they have 30km ones

>>512197933
even without that, just shows lack of knowledge of conflict. The actual game changer that happened isnt mass productions Geran drones (1000 per day), or artillery situation, but upgrade of the FAB drones with guidance wings, allowing to drop them from long distance precisely. So now every Hohol fortified or artillery position is easily destroyed by FABs from distance they cant do shit about it. And its cheap too.

>>512198068
and artillery has 200+ km range

I noticed a huge increase of butthurt russian shilling since Trumps last announcement. Do you telegram trannies get paid to post here or do you do it free

>>512186471 (OP)
That's fake news. Russia has no missiles since 2022, Putin is dead and Ukraine will win any day now.

>peons fighting over who gets to rule them
I can't think of a more ridiculous thing, senpai.

Of course there may be good or bad rulers, but this rarely is a factor in such conflicts.
>in fact often both options are bad
Let the politifaggots decide it themselves in a duel.

>>512198068
>>512198099
FAB-500 with flight kit range is 70-130km. New version soon up to 200. FAB-500 costs 4k$, or, considering still old stocks used and we still have TONS of them (the bomb was designed in 1954...)

>>512197865
>should apply first and foremost to the guy who wants to send you to die
Cattle here legit okay with the current regime. Those who benefit from it will do everything possible and impossible to keep the status quo. Those who don't benefit are legit genetic slaves and refuse to rebel even when they are being dragged into the van, they refuse to cooperate even in the face of death.
Unironically, the passers-by women had saved more people from the vans then men themselves ever did, they simply refuse to unite against the common enemy. But then cheer on the internet when braver individuals retaliate against the system on their own.
I don't give a shit about this failed state anymore, I'm only angry that I'm stuck here with no way out. I just want to live my life and build myself a prosperous future, kill each other however you want but without me.

>>512198117
no it doesnt, not hohol ones. Most artillery is like 10km range, 70km range would be great, above 100 is absolute rarity

>>512198121
Quote me some examples? All I see is 14:1 coping. Like bruv, your buddies make 10 14:1 threads per hour.
>and it's not even a cope
The time of copes is past; there is only despair.

>>512198444
you aren't even german that's why you support multiculturalism. You need entire telegram groups to spam here because your whole argument is just
>ypipo bad

>>512198117
Only giant naval cannons shoot that far.
70km is Russia's 152mm shells I think

>>512198599
yes that's classical artilery

then you have your hermars and the russian equvalents that can go further

>>512187090
>western world pays in difficult, costly and long to make gear
You mean gear that we made 50+ years ago that has been sitting in a warehouse collecting dust since then?
The gear made specifically to kill vaniks?
That gear?

>>512198686
remember also all White people froze to death in 2023

>>512186593
I'll derail this thread a bit
censoring ukraine war is minuscule, tester for bigger censorship: ID verification for +18 internet access as a pilot program, which then updated to whole internet ID
this is one small part of decade long goal of glocalization/global isolation set up in the future times. The future would consist of multiple fortified regional blocs that resent each other.
>First is internet restriction/censorship. +18 adult censorship is perfect bogeyman to ratify this law. After populations are conditioned to it, it'll spread into more segments (banking, education, social media). Not owning a smartphone with 5G internet would be a felony (something2, you have something to hide from good big brother)
>Then continental size firewall everywhere. Instead of globalized internet, it'll be regional, continent bloc sized intranet (Just like chinese internet, but now you'll have US exclusive one, EU one, Africa, CIS, fringe Japan only internet, india only internet, etc.). if all world war happened, all information flow, leaks will be much more controlled, at least to WWII era flow. The social media war journalism in syria, ukraine, and palestine really screwed up the MSM narrative.
>Next step is restriction on air travel.

>>512186513
It's already happening on low levels, considering there's only two real towns left in Donetsk (slavyansk and Kramatorsk) it'll happen soon, that's why they're pushing so hard for piss deal

>>512198686
There are no warehouses filled with arms "gathering dust" you retard. There never were old shells laying around on either side

>>512198068
>Fiber drones have a 20km range.
It depends purely on roller length, can be 50km easily

>>512198365
The masses have a tendency towards apathy and ignorance. Worst case they close their eyes and pretend something didn't happen.
That is a problem, but it's not the same as supporting the regime; they are simply passive/inactive.
>and consequently shouldn't get to vote
Even if something catches on their limited attention won't allow them to actually explore it beyond the superficial.
Basically they are worse than children.
I think besides these zeros there's quite a lot of people unhappy with the status quo. In fact the zeros may not even comprehend the danger they face. Like those people watching a ralley race standing right in the outside arc of a corner, waiting for the first car to lose control and mow them down.
>no self awareness
Yes, yes, it's a very large problem for all sentient people.

>>512198800
and in slaviansk the uprising against the cia regime started, let us not forget

>>512198780
Yes I also think this is the future

>>512198904
that is why democracy is a sham and doesn't work good;

There was this annual VDV celebration on August 2nd and, as usual, there were lots of uniformed dudes zooming around the city in their cars with VDV flags. If the situation is desperate for Russia, how come they aren't fighting and are chilling at home instead. Is larping common among VDV troopers?

>>512198520
>you aren't even german that's why you support multiculturalism.
Huh? I support multiculturalism where? In fact I am quite supportive of people dying in general, also violence.
And wtf is "being German" supposed to mean exactly? That's quite a contentious topic. Nobody seems capable of agreeing on what it means.

>>512198936
>https://en.rtdoc.tv/films/775-cults-the-cias-secret-weapon

They got AZOV and the other 50 nazi larping groups to believe they are vikings and shit and will go to valhalla by dying in a ukrainian ditch.
Perfect troops to set up behind the front lines to shoot people who retreat or surrender.

>>512199015
>needs a propaganda stunt after getting ass beat in the opening month of the war
>still has not recovered
lol

>>512199132
>And wtf is "being German" supposed to mean exactly?
Oh boy here we go LOL abdul go back to Syria the war is over you stupid nigger hahahaha

>>512197933
Then they would be just jamming themselves and the OP's picture would be a complete fabrication. Why are there so many retarded faggots in /pol/?

Its embarrassing that it took russia 2 years to realize this is a drone war not a tank war.

>>512198444
> cope
Two more weeks to Kiev!

>>512186471 (OP)
>China, India, Turkey, Iran and North Korea seem to continue to back Russia with equipment and currency in trade deals
Huge economic superpowers of the 3rd world.
Both sides are suffering. Russia is spitting blood, in order to advance a few square meters. This is the stupidest conflict in terms of strategy since ww1

>>512198667
extremely long range artillery is a meme, since it becomes too expensive to maintain (replacing barrels after couple shots), and to little numbers produced to make a difference. At this point rockets and bombs are lot cheaper.

The main use of artillery is not precise strikes, but punding area non stop, for days and weeks.

>>512199261
Drones are a very small % of ukrainian deaths retard. 90% are from artillery and glide bombs. Dont know why you faggots keep saying this. One drone can cause 100s of men to take cover when the drone detectors go off so it has been slowing the russian troops down.

Very organic 4chan /pol/ thread I know Russians are inbred losers and all the smart ones left in the 90s but you’ve been doing this for years why are you still so bad at it?

>>512199466
Everyone in Europe froze to death 4 years ago you fascist racist nazi

>>512198868
>old shells laying around on either side
umh... thats exact situation Russia has though. Bombs and Artillery and some other weaponry are in insame amount since Soviet stockpiles. Some need to be modernized, but as said FAB-500 for example is 1954 designed bomb which he have until end of times, 170mm shells as well - also their consumption is too big, so need to produce new too.

US has such stockpiles as well, but nothing that would help Ukraine or could realistically shipped there.

>>512199385
Not true. Russia sends small squads to spot ukrainian equipment then call in airstrikes. They had to retrain the norks because all they wanted to do was zerg strikes. RT has alot of war correspondants on the front lines talking about new tactics.

>>512186559
>BTW defender has advantage
Ah so this is why you are losing in Gaza?

>>512199274
Not quoting me but the butthurt Russian shills plx. I wanna look at their posts.
>but what will I do then
I guess it depends on what they said. You are being too hasty.

>>512199201
Had to check whether you're Poolack or Indonesian.
One of my doctors vanished recently and he was some kind of Nafri. A week later I read about a Syrian doctor being arrested, after 7 years of residence in Germany, because he's suspected of le hecking warcrimes for the Assad regime in 2014 or whatever.
Still don't know whether it's the same guy, but godspeed to him.

>>512198780
Censorship started like 10 years ago. You know what they first did in Germany? Turned off comments on all online news/magazines, or kept them only on moderator verification.

Next they flooded them with NATO bots. So basically, any discussion of any news topic became impossible on public platforms.

But given even that didnt help and goverment still lose grasp on information (as Syrian war first shown, where their narratives were all exposed as lies), strikter controls are taking place.

>>512199581
not to mention lots of pro-russian people inside ukraine also sendin coordinates

>>512199619
Unfortunately the kikes can't stop winning. You are coping.

>>512199525
>since Soviet stockpiles
You have no idea what you are talking about. No shells last longer than 16 years. Expired shells can destroy your cannon or blow you up when you eject it after it fails to fire.
This was a retarded nafo troon talking point. You cant even transport expired munitions.

>>512199701
>Year two of the special military operation to capture Gaza

>>512199747
Expired explosives cant be used, old shells can.The old shells are either recast or used for drones or bombs. They cant be SHOT from artillery barrels, but they still explode.

He doesn't yet know the cycles of history
>>512199701

>>512199966
>Year two of the special military operation to expunge Gaza
Fixed. It can't be denied they had some success.
Same as the US agenda in Ukraine.
>permanently destroy all potential of Euro-Russian partnership
Mission succ. Sometimes you don't have to beat an enemy to win but your ally.

>>512192310
You mean what remains of a west-friendly Ukraine.
How big will that be is questionable and it gets smaller and smaller every week.
It's not just about the km2 Ukraine loses, but manpower losses too.

>>512200180
>You mean what remains of a west-friendly Hungarine.
>How big will that be is questionable and it gets smaller and smaller every week.
Trianon PTSD?

>>512195861
>But by calling it Shahed they are basically doing the "Russia is a gas station they can't make anything themselves" thing.
they may as well be. or are you implying that the geran is in any way an effective, "above third world" weapon with these stats?

>>512200372
It's not hard to "see" the future, when whats happening already happened.
It's so fucking bad, when even HUNGARIAN retards are asking:
>what? Ukraine should just give up land to Russia?
Yes.
Hungary had to give up 2/3 (it's even worse, when you think about resources, sea access), for Ukraine it was like 1/10 or even less.
The victory for Ukraine looks further and further away, losses get worse and worse,
the NATO aid doesn't get better and it doesn't matter how much they just lie about their own and Russias losses.
Ukraine already lost a lot and it will lose even more.
Also the most important thing whats their goal for fighting?
So they might join NATO/EU? That's why they sacrifice millions, while even more left as refugees?
It's both an absolutely retarded goal and unachievable, because it requires them to defeat Russia.
They could have made so many pinky promises to Putin and he would've cucked out.
Instead they went in literally guns blazing thanks to their retarded leaders and agencies like CIA,
who really deserves the title glowniggers, because they are just as retarded as niggers.

>>512200180
>How big will that be is questionable
In my area common folks on the streets are mostly neutral towards west, saying(not actually believing)that we should be thankful for the help they provide but that's about it. The rest are passively hostile and just want to be left alone, rejecting both the west and ruzzians. Some extreme cases are not numerous enough to matter.
The only people who are publicly fervent at supporting west are those in power who embezzle the money coming from the outside world. They really like west, so most of them had already relocated their families there and have numerous houses and properties in the west, while they make money in ukraine and prepare to leave the moment situation goes bad. But ideologically they despise west and will never assimilate.

>>512199966
You don't get it. They are trying make locals to gtfo. Their losses are minimal. It's pretty one sided.

>>512200078
I'd like to live until the day this happens but I m pretty blackpilled.

>>512200948
Sorry, I just meant to make a joke.
But you are right it's a pretty valid comparison. Ukrainians understand nothing.
But neither does anybody else, statistically speaking.
The real problem is that politicians DO understand. They have plenty of means to be informed; don't have to be an autist yourself, you can hire autists. So none of this shit is an accident or mistake. It's calculated, by whatever degenerate satanic mathematics.

>>512186471 (OP)
Keep coping zigger. Send more boys (and now girls) to be killed.

>>512200955
The more I speak with people from Ukraine (not many and face to face only Hungarians from there, with Ukraineans it's just some comments like yours, where sometimes it's hard to decide if it's real or not), the more it seems to me that only Ukraines leaders wants this war to fill their pockets like you said.
The one thing I don't understand is why the people go with it so much?
Zelensky's goons can also all fill their pockets?
Why do all the peoplecatchers do what they do and why do the people just go like:
>yep, thats normal
Too many from the guys, who disagree with that, fled to other countries already?

>>512201177
I should work on my humor, I take things too literally sometimes.

>>512200948
>Also the most important thing whats their goal for fighting?
Our president is a jew. And war is extremely profitable to the tops who also happened to hate common people and dream of bringing feudalism back.
Even small level government like town administrations are benefiting greatly from the war. Literal nobody from town hall 20k population city can live like a king compared to anyone else around them, I don't know a single politician who doesn't own at least three different big houses, at least 3-5 expensive cars and at least million dollars in the bank. And I know many of them. For those who have the opportunity to make money from this war this is the golden age like never before.
This is why we fight, this is why we die. This is why we will continue to fight until the last (common)man drops dead.

>>512201276
>Too many from the guys, who disagree with that, fled to other countries already?
Probably, actually, and beyond it may be a matter of resignation.
>poorfags being like whatever
Actually I am quite sure a lot of people don't actually want to live. They don't exactly care. Maybe being dead isn't so bad? Although I have no clue what their conscious processing of this stressful topic may be. On /pol/ at least any organic poster will understand the concept of "not exactly wanting to live".
This may be a rather major factor in this entire issue, and the military in general.
>which also means it is to the elite's advantage to make people feel like life is a pointless tedium

>>512201402
Well, I'm German. Taking things too seriously is our humor. Maybe you are secretly a German? Not totally unrealistic.

>>512186471 (OP)
*ahem*

>>512186471 (OP)
>The more it looks like Putin/Russia has the upper hand right now, so won’t negotiate peace until something changes on the battlefield.

Impossible, i have been told by media, journalists and youtubers that Russia is losing every day for the past years.

>>512201476
>Even small level government like town administrations are benefiting greatly from the war. Literal nobody from town hall 20k population city can live like a king compared to anyone else around them, I don't know a single politician who doesn't own at least three different big houses, at least 3-5 expensive cars and at least million dollars in the bank.
That's actually doesn't look that much to me, but it makes sense, why they would do it then.

>>512201607
I'm at least 1/4 German (my grandfather avoided the displacement after WW2 by being an orphan), but possibly even close to 1/2 lol
>>512201537
If I feel like life is a pointless tedium, I'd just play video games until I can't anymore, not go to army camp and fight a war.
As soon as I could I would desert, if I can't I would shoot the officers (most likely though I would shoot the guys trying to bring me into bootcamp and stopping me from playing vidya lol).
For legal reasons the last part is a joke.

>>512201731
Even the absolute top level politicians aren't paid excessive sums. That's not what it is about; or maybe it would make things too obvious if the president is paid 1 billion every year from the state.
But it costs money to be elected, and being elected opens up other income streams - suddenly a person has influence; time to bribe them. And often such bribes don't take a directly monetary form but appointing the kike to the board of a corporation or similar things, in the vein of lobbying. Not like a megacorp will even notice giving a couple millions to some random fucktard politician; another shabbos goyim won't affect their bottom line, but in turn give them routes to increased profit; commonly known as corruption.
Can be especially funny if such a supreme leader rejects their yearly salary.
>US President earns $400,000 per year
roflmao, lol even

>>512186471 (OP)
>sanctions have not really crippled Russia
the four occupied oblasts (Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Luhansk) together earned only about 17 billion usd in 2021

on the Russian side, we're looking at (and these are low end estimates, it could realistically be twice as much):
340 billion in frozen assets
280 billion the Kremlin has spent on the war
80 billion in lost oil and gas revenue
~170k people killed, meaning about 80 billion in lost future economic contribution

Russia needs around 50 years to break even on the whole thing, and sanctions alone account for about 25 years of that.

did sanctions stop the war? not really. did they set Russia up for a long term economic collapse, could be.

>>512202019
The elite aren't as happy as they'd like to be either (fortunately [since they deserve it] or unfortunately [since it means they keep making life worse for everybody else]). There's really not much one can do but be selfish. You have the elite on one side and consoomerist voooter cattle on the other who don't know wtf is going on anyway.
In that respect some of the people who simply don't care aren't wrong; but at the same time they are the problem.
If people cared then certain persons would be swinging from lamp posts. Easy.

>>512202213
>Can be especially funny if such a supreme leader rejects their yearly salary.
That reminds me of Morales in Venezuela, who is proud to only draw salary of mid-level government bureaucrat -- but neglects to mention that his wife is literal dollar-billionairess

>>512200968
>If you ignore all the political, economic, and societal defeats inflicted upon Israel and the constant kvetching of their media about how they're losing, Israel is winning because they killed some civilians
Ok.
>>512200117
>Same as the US agenda in Ukraine.
It is good of you to compare two losing sides. The US' objectives in provoking the war were Ukraine's entry in to NATO, as well as regime change and the eventual balkanization of Russia following their hypothetical defeat, as lined out in the 2019 RAND report: Overextending Russia. None of those things will come to pass. If you fail to achieve your objectives while your enemy achieves theirs, you've lost. Simple as.
The consolidation over their vassals in Europe is a reaction to their decline as a great power, not part of some great plan years in the making, and I shouldn't have to remind you; a crushing blow to European sovereignty and economic prosperity, so not something a German would be bragging about. Although I have noticed some of you have completely retreated into fantasy in order to avoid addressing the issue of NATO bombing a member state's energy infrastructure.

>>512202352
Good to see you nafo troon shills are making your propaganda more reasonable

>>512201276
>Zelensky's goons can also all fill their pockets?
The amount of money circulating in the country is batshit insane because of all the "support" from the west. But corruption is even more insane. You need to bribe your way in order to get any position in the government. And I talk about small ass town hall on the outskirts of the region government position, not even the major city and by government position I mean a fucking intern tasked with jobs like filling social media pages and gluing posters around the city. Unless you're a nepo hire you're locked out of places like this. The reasons is extremely simple, gov workers are immune to drafting so they wont be shoved into the van, therefore everyone would try to become gov worker.
So yeah, if you need to pay just to get into the lowest of lows just imagine the shitshow happening in the higher circles. Police stays loyal to the regime because the amount of benefits they get from the system is just stupidly high, being the lapdog pays really well with numerous benefits. But to join them again, pay up or nepo.
>Too many from the guys, who disagree with that, fled to other countries already?
This too. Those that stayed are too selfish and cowardice to stand on their own and lead by example and nation is critically unable to unite for any reason unless the unification is bankrolled. People would rather straight die than go on unpaid protest without being compensated.

>>512198365
>when braver individuals retaliate against the system on their own
2014
Peoples choice

>>512203521
Orchestrated and paid for with ((((people's)))) money.

I never received a single cent from usaid so I will publicly call them gay ass faggots and wish them a putin under a bed for turning a potentially prosperous country into a wasteland proving grounds with no hopes and future.

>>512203773
>a potentially prosperous country
ROFL

>>512203773
good luck
my country is next on a list

>>512204220
Take care and don't let those shitters get into your head. You will not be able to change the course of the country but do everything you can to at least secure your own well being and always remember that politic is a scam.

Russia is already way past the breaking point and is running on fumes on top of the almost depleted soviet weapons stocks.
Balkanization is what the future holds after putin is gone.

Ukraine just need to freeze the line, one or two years more and the russian army will fold up like syria.

Is already over

NAFO troons on suicide watch

>>512191763
>Meanwhile Russian stocks are increasing.

No Russia is approaching the end of the refurbishables left over from the soviet days. Afterwards they will be limited to new production only.

>>512186471 (OP)
Moscow is convinced that Russia is going to win the war. Putin repeatedly offered peace negotiations and stated his conditions, the west rejected them outright every single time. So Putin says "fuck the west, we enforce the peace ourselves".

>>512198780
Very plausible.

>>512192610
>And Sweden, after Switzerland, are probably the two European countries that in economic terms are the best to live in.

Norway is way above Sweden in economic terms and social terms, Finland is equal to Sweden economically but much better socially due to way less immigrants etc etc. Its not hard to find a better country than Sweden in Europe. And Russia is way below Sweden both economically and socially.

>>512186471 (OP)
>Destroyed
AHAHAHAHAHA
How are they destroying (((iranian))) (((shaheds))) if they have a shortage of ammunition, as they claim? On my Telegram channels, I see videos of targets being destroyed, both from the drones themselves and from local residents' cameras. Every night. There are a lot of them.

>>512200117
>permanently destroy all potential of Euro-Russian partnership
thats a bad thing, dumbfuck

>>512193811
>proceeded to live peacefully with russians for the next 70 years

Post world war 2 there was small level insurgency against russians into the 1950s. A similar thing happened in the baltics.

>>512186471 (OP)
>Only 2 million dead Russians to flatten the curve
OMG based Putin