>here's the entire bulk of the atheist "arguments" bro
Do they not just become ashamed of these at some point and come to realize how misguided every single one of these are?

Even when you take the time to explain each and every single one of them along with answer any extra questions they have that they try to hook you into a "gotcha" moment through, they still won't admit to being wrong and would rather just double down and fume out their mouth like manchildren that you are wrong and they are right and nothing will change at cause you are stupid and they're smart. How's this sort of thing even supposed to work for them long term? Eventually people will come to notice the Christian man who actually takes the time to explain everything is more in the right than the oversized toddler who stomps his feet while mocking and demanding things.

so, which God is real?

>>512187986
I am.
Consciousness is a locus of universal awareness; the discretion between the self and the world is just a function of set theory;
We are all the universe experiencing itself.
That Gestalt is God.
You and I.

>>512187986
Christian God aka Orthodox Christian God.

>>512188114
why? and where are the proofs?

>>512188114
proofs?

>>512188148
>I don't know which religion to adhere to so that means they're all wrong
Why are fedora tippers so bad at logic?

>>512188114
Do you have evidence or is this just wishful belief based on nothing?

>>512188267
>adhere to
so there's one true God, but we can still choose in which God to believe in? weird

Plotinus is the way. Atheists are easier to brainwash because they don't have an absolute reference.
How many atheists refrained from being injected with mRNA?

>>512187793 (OP)
Christians are mostly brown btw

>>512188267
>I don't know which religion to adhere to so I will just choose the first one I saw and assume the others are all wrong
Why are kike worshippers so retarded

>>512188267
>>512188114
so how do you know the christian God is the true god?

>>512187793 (OP)
If you had good arguments for your god there wouldn't be atheists, they are simple living proof of the impotence of whatever god uou revere.

>>512187986

The one you meme flag child raping JEWS hate. Jesus Christ.

>>512188053
You're ego is just too masisve to realise there is something infinitely greater than you

>>512188494
jews love rabbi Yeshua thoughbeit, his followers are the goodest goys

>>512188267
>I don’t have any evidence so I’ll just call you a retard
why are Christkeks like this

>so how do you know the christian God is the true god?
You wouldn't have the concept of a hospital without Christianity.

>>512188148
>>512188163
>>512188290
>>512188427
You do know that has been 2000 years of theological/philosophical debates, right ? Especially in Christianity. Just think of Eunomius (he gave birth to Arianism), he was the first to say Christ can't be God because he doesn't have aseity. The Church fathers logically dismantled that argument. Even to Catholic God is false, because Augustin's Trinity is incoherent, the God of Christianity is the God of the cappadocian fathers, that God was put in the Creed at the Ecumenical Councils. So i'd be too much for me to write here why, but every other God creates inchonherency, ilogical and irrational worldviews that make epistemology and logic impossibe. Only the Orthodox Trinity doesn't.

>>512188652
ah yes, Christian American hospitals, where you're getting in lifelong debt for a routine check as our Lord dictates

>>512187793 (OP)
Where's the one; If you had a convincing argument I would be forced to accept you are correct and God is real, but you don't so I don't.

>>512187793 (OP)
>>512188114
The idea that the god of the bible is real is incredibly stupid.

>>512187793 (OP)
If god is real then why doesnt he exist?

>>512188721
christ can't be god because god doesn't exist

>>512187793 (OP)
Maybe nobody cares but I was raised Christian and baptized but fell out of faith around middle school because of constant abuse in the name of faith
I was agnostic for a while, and just growing up made me return to faith. People can weaponize it and sometimes drive their own children away. Or they could be raised in homes that don't suggest this stuff at all

>>512187793 (OP)
>Christians literally call their deity "Father in Heaven
>Christians then get mad when you refer to him as "Sky Daddy"
I remain utterly convinced that Christians only care about defending deportment and give zero fucks about what is true.

I don’t need to give you an argument why I would believe that a book written by Jews does not tell the truth.

>>512188357
>we can still choose
That's called having free will, brainlet.
>>512188400
>will just choose the first one I saw and assume the others are all wrong
Why would you do that? I get fedoras are intellectually lazy but you shouldn't admit it so openly.
>>512188427
I never made that claim but plenty of people far smarter than you or I have come to that conclusion. Your beliefs are no one's responsibility but your own. >>512188589
>evidence
Religion isn't a scientific theory, dummy. Why do retards like you always try to LARP as scientists when you don't even know basic calculus? Lol.

>>512188721
>You do know that has been 2000 years of theological/philosophical debates, right?
>implying there hasn’t been more and longer debates on Ancient Greek gods.
Why aren’t you into Gilgamesh then, if age of debate is the authority?

>>512187793 (OP)
This is a disingenuous argument. Strawman fallacy galore. There's a thousand religions but your god is the one that's true. Based on a book that was written 200 years after Christ supposedly existed. Christ who is a copy of Horus down to the date of birth, by a virgin, who also resurrected someone. Fuck off with your fairy tales faggot.

>>512187793 (OP)
I hear you bro, but you have to understand a lot of those people have literally been brainwashed. You cannot argue with someone and succeed who has been mentally programmed by God knows what. Accept they’re a lost cause and move on

>>512187986
You know exactly which one, it's the one you hate.

>>512187793 (OP)
>Meme by @redeemed_zoomer
Hahahahahaahahahaha christcucks on this board are LITERALLY posting memes CONFIRMED made by jews.

An enemy that numbers time in millennia with a cultural basis that goes back to preliterate man and symbolism rooted in primordial hominids appears!
>[(You)--Choose your fighter]!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former fag with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: Saturday morning philosopher (secret weapon: midwit empowerment (aka Reddit); weakness: phenomenology)
>(You): WEAPONIZED CONDESCENTION! ALL FOUR HORSEMEN, I CHOOSE (You)s!
*****[Fight!]*****
>(You) choose: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4 and is unimpressed you don't believe in Santa. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Even myth is meaningful in a way not reducible to materialism. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: SCIENCE THOUGH!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy brings up the history of science and its complex relationship and continuing interplay with religion. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: FEDORA TIP!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>(You) choose: NO YOU!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>[(You) have fainted.]

>>512189303
>lives in religious majority
>desperate to stand out
>”look mama I’m rebewious and afeist”

Though the idea was that all those other gods are real, but either demons, literally just a wood statue or not worth worshipping

>>512189462
so, YHWH is real? are jews right about Christians?

you people are fucking cowards
you'll attack atheists but wont attack Jews or Muslims?
Your like the guy in school picking on the stupid autistic kid who cant defend himself

>>512189684
Fedora tippers are obsessed. They're basically evangelicals.

>>512189848
>using that meme from the 2000's
you are exactly like the reddit atheists you despise

>>512187793 (OP)

>>512187793 (OP)
>Do they not just become ashamed of these at some point and come to realize how misguided every single one of these are?
How can not believing in "just trust me bro" stories be being misguided? Just get me some fucking proof and i believe whatever the fuck you want, it's literally that simple. Until then, all you cultists are people without meds to me.

>>512188952
>I was raised Christian
Is your name Christian, or what do you mean by “raised Christian”?

Atheists circumcised nigger cattles of the west are busy arguing themselves to death while the chad china Christians man of the east are making the best games to ever exist. What's your excuse?

https://youtu.be/1mh9TnfDXhg?si=Caf-rH5k9tC1pRyT

>>512188721
there are all debates within christianity itself, they don't explain why Christ or the christian God are the true God compared to other Gods (besides what's written in the Bible - but therein lies the same problem, what makes the Bible the true text of God and not the quran, the torah, the vedas, buddhist texts, etc., and also some of them predate Christ)

>>512189878
>no you
Nice creativity there, champ. Anyway, faces of r/atheism demonstrated a shocking amount of you guys are overweight, have neckbeards, and do in fact wear fedoras. Lol.

>>512187793 (OP)
> sky daddy
You literally believe in a sky daddy
> our father who art in heaven

>>512190053
>AHHHH, I CAN'T DECIDE!!!
Not his problem, anon.

>>512190122
how did you decide?

>>512190156
None of your business. Cry about it.

>>512188721
That's a lot of words and no answer actually given

>>512190185
i'm not crying about it, just curious
if you don't wanna talk about it fair enough

>>512187793 (OP)
Atheists prove the number 1 exists.

>>512190065
>faces of r/atheism demonstrated a shocking amount of you guys are overweight, have neckbeards, and do in fact wear fedoras. Lol.
If your such a hercules looking guy let us see what you look like then
Photo and timestamp then

>>512190229
If you're trying to adopt a scientific mindset you need to actually study a science. Even then you'll need to study some philosophy of science. Once you've read a couple thousand pages of that you'll notice how silly fedora tippers are when it comes to idolizing science and imagining they have a deep understanding of it when the reality is they're going off of pop-sci based on shit that's been outdated for almost 100 years now. After that you should pick up something like Northrop Frye's The Great Code and read the Bible.

>>512189537
You know why western countries made strides in science, created computers, the internet, explore the universe? Because of critical thinking. You call it rebellion, I call it having a functional brain.

At the end of the day we can reduce each others arguments to ridiculous sound bites and claim how superior we are but why bother.
I grew up religious, my own research led me to discover that it was all bull shit made up fan fiction.
Thats all. Why do you care what I think enough to cry on /pol/?

>>512188053
This is mostly true. But you left out the lonely part.

>>512190292
>dox yourself on 4chan
Lol. I'm 6'3 and handsome, anon. But looks fade and they aren't everything. Believe it or don't.

>>512190371
not sure what any of that has to do with my questions but alright, you have yourself a blessed day fella

>>512188721
The Christian God (Trinity), whether Catholic or Orthodox, is logically incoherent, which is why the official stance of the Churches is that of mysticism ("God is supralogical", i.e. above logic).
Only within certain Protestant branches can the Trinity be understood logically, though that comes with a cost (or what Churches call "heresies"):
1. polytheism; three separate gods (less common)
2. modalim; none of the three manifestations of God are individually fully God (more common)
>>512188363
Idk about the statistics, but I'm an atheist and I didn't take the jab either.
>>512188447
People are irrational. Most people don't care about logical coherence.
>>512189142
Obviously, from a Christian perspective, "heaven" and "the sky" are ontologically separate concepts. Why would you be surprised about them not liking such a smug mockery of their god?
>>512189303
Horus was born to Isis, who had sex with Osiris after reconstructing his split body, which includes his penis that was eaten by a fish beforehand. She was not a virgin. Regurgitating false talking points without investigating them shows that you're a moron.

>>512190474
>not sure what any of that has to do with my questions
Context clues, anon. You asked how I came to my own beliefs and I was nice enough to give you a suitable roadmap. If you're too lazy to undertake it that's not my problem.

>>512189291
Not age of debate, quantity and quality of debates. Every logical qualm you think you have, has been debated already pe people much smarter than yourself.

>>512190531
not really though

>>512189848
>Fedora tippers

>>512190520
your understanding of the trinity is bullshit. Jesus Christ is/was God. God sacrificed himself to prove His love to His creation and should they choose to accept it He will forgive them denying Him.

>>512190688
None of what you said addresses anything about the Trinity. Seems like you just don't like the truth.

>>512190053
Of course it explains, because all religious debates are actually are metaphiysical debates. Now tell me the metaphsical presuppositions of your religion and we'll see if it holds up. Islam presupposes occasionalism and nominalism, that's literally retarded. I have no issues dismantling that. And then you go through every religion. It's not that hard because the presuppositions and limited.

>>512190644
Yep, fedora tippers.

>>512190717
it does, and in a precise manner. the fact you refuse to accept it is no one's fault but your own.

>>512190622
>no answer you give me will ever be suitable unless I'm able to attack it
This is why I told you to cry about it.

>>512190786
tell me why you believe the Bible is the true text of God

>>512190471
If your gonna call other people hideous goblins ad least show us you don't look like a bridge troll yourself, your fine doing it yourself but cant handle it back

>>512190787
>>512190644
The pope also wears a Kippah

>>512190926
>>512190962
aren't all trannies atheists? what's up with that?

>>512190808
Your incapacity to address the logic of the Trinity while mindlessly regurgitating the mythos as if that proves anything demonstrates your inability to discuss this coherently. What I want from you is a syllogism with premises and conclusion. Something along the lines of...
1. God (the Father) is not Jesus (the Son)
2. God (the Father) is not the Holy Ghost
3. Jesus (the Son) is not the Holy Ghost
and yet somehow
4. God, the Father, is fully God
5. Jesus, the Son, is fully God
6. The Holy Ghost is fully God
This is nonsense. Just gibberish. Anyway, you're clearly a low IQ mongrel, so I don't expect too much from you. Don't break your head too much over this.

>>512190991
simple. 1,2, and 3 are wrong.

>>512190986
The methodist church has tons of trannies and leftists
Even the Presbyterian church

>>512187793 (OP)

>>512191019
Beautiful. So you don't even know what the Trinity is.

>>512191027
post a Christian/Catholic tranny, now.

>>512187793 (OP)
On the “critical thinking” of atheists. Yes, let us make a cosmological theory of the universe based on speculative particles we cannot detect, physics we cannot observe and math that does not reflect real life. Then we will package it as the infallible word of "Science" and evangelize it through government intelligence agencies masquerading as news.

>>512187793 (OP)

Too Christian coded. You don't have to have a Christian childhood to know that religion is bs

>>512191062
I know that that picture you posted is wrong

>>512191067
Christcuck pastors

>>512191122
names?

>>512191088
That 'picture' is the Scutum Fidei, the official symbol to summarize the first part of the Athanasian Creed in a compact diagram.

>>512191086
What about Hinduism, Saaaar. Is the novel art of street pooping bullshit?

>>512190904
The "true text of God" ? That's protestant/islamic mental retardation. The Bible is a liturgical text, it was meant for you to have correct praxis. Not for mental idolatrous masturbation. Christ's Church (Orthodox Church) determines what the Bible is, we selected the books that are now called the New Testament, even the Old. We don't have the same Old Testament jews/protestant have. So, you might want to ask another question.

>>512191167
and? my belief doesn't align with it. The trinity is all God, no separation.

>>512191315
>my belief doesn't align with it
Irrelevant since my original post was addressing the beliefs of the Church, not YOUR beliefs. I can wipe my ass with your beliefs.

>>512191362
aw you're mad.

>>512191265
that doesn't answer my question
>The Bible is a liturgical text, it was meant for you to have correct praxis.
how do you know what's written in the (orthodox) Bible is the word of God? because the Church determined so? then how do you know what the Church determined is correct? or the correct interpretation? how do you know the whole Bible wasn't made up by the Devil to trick Christians in some way? or how do you know any of them exist, and it's not another religion's interpretation of God and the divine is correct?

>>512191397
Huh?

>>512191410
you're mad that I don't agree with what you say about my belief in God.
>i can wipe my ass with your beliefs
you try to be so pretentious and full of contempt, but the truth is it makes you angry. not my fault, honestly. that's definitely a you problem.

>>512191403
Simple. Judge the tree by its fruit.

https://youtu.be/dOnQz786rWM?si=3w7r2YrAcRDymJjE

>I Just dont believe in God, nothing personal
>/pol/
>HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE NAME OF GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE? YOU NEED TO RESPECT MY BELIEFS! YOUR A FEDORA TIPPING ASSHOLE WHO HATES THE GOD OF ISRAEL AND ONLY HIM!
why are you all like this, you people act like the obnoxious reddit atheists you despise

>>512191495
Your belief is already included in my original post: (>>512190520)
>2. modalism; none of the three manifestations of God are individually fully God (more common)
You're reducing Jesus down to a mere manifestation of God, which is considered a heresy. Of course, you're free to do so, but how you personally feel about that is irrelevant.
>you're full of contempt and it makes you angry
No, I'm simply surprised by you suddenly shifting the topic to revolve around how anyone feels. Reminds me of how women argue. Wouldn't be surprised if you had a hole between your legs.

Anyway, read up on your own faith since you don't seem to have a clue about it.

>>512189493
This is embarrassing lol

>>512191498
>The Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home, also known as St Mary's, or just The Home, operated in Tuam, County Galway, Ireland, from 1925 to 1961 as a Catholic-run institution for unmarried mothers and their children. Run by the Bon Secours Sisters, the home became the focus of national scandal after historian Catherine Corless uncovered that 796 infants and children had died there, many buried in an unmarked mass grave within a former septic tank.
i judge the tree rotten and its fruit rancid

>>512191627
>mere manifestation of God
that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. sorry you're so "surprised" (you're actually mad not surprised but I'll let you cope how you see fit being an atheist is tough these days)

>>512191070
Your strawman has nothing to do with atheism

>>512191722
Joke. I see (you) as a rotten fruit.

>>512191742
>pretends to know what an oxymoron is
Kek
>sorry you're so "surprised"
Oh, you're definitely a woman. Weaponized, snarky expressions of pity

>>512188721
The strongest argument against christian apologetics is the fact that christian apologetics was necessary in the first place. The truth wouldn't have needed 2000 years of mental gymnastics to prop it up.

>>512187793 (OP)
They don't want the Truth, they use a wall of doubts and ignorancy to trying to justify their sinfull lifes

>>512187986
Its Satan, dont believe the lies of Christians, they are trying to keep you from the truth and from Heaven
crazy plot twist huh?

>>512191791
>Your strawman has nothing to do with atheism
Its not a strawman. Its a comparison between science and religion. Science is another religion.

>>512191941
>They don't want my personal feelings and opinions
Ftfy

>>512192085
>Its not a strawman
100%

>>512191791
>On the “critical thinking” of atheists. Yes, let us make a cosmological theory of the universe based on speculative particles we cannot detect, physics we cannot observe and math that does not reflect real life. Then we will package it as the infallible word of "Science" and evangelize it through government intelligence agencies masquerading as news.
Its so good, it deserves to be said again too.

>>512191403
Because the Church was founded by Jesus Christ and He gave His Church normative authority. What the Bishops decide in a Ecumenical Council is the will of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit guides and inspires the Church. So, all interepretation, exergesis, hermeneutics of the Bible is the exclusive attribute of the Church. Anything else is heresy.

>>512188053
You aren't god, retard

>>512192141
Still has nothing to do with atheism lol

as long as usury is accepted, Christcuckoldry is just a grift

>>512192085
It's a strawman for the reason that you're conflating atheism with scientism.

>>512192199
These people are idiots lol

>>512192199
>It's a strawman for the reason that you're conflating atheism with scientism.
Are they not? What else do atheists believe? Science is it.

>>512191834
you have been "snarky" the whole thread. does it bother you that i notice it? contemptuous, pretentious anon is actually a small, petty, twat. there have been hundreds, thousands of threads with attitudes and arguments the same as yours. you are not special.

>>512192232
Seems like so. It's funny because I usually like theists and I even mocked some atheists in my posts earlier, but apparently rational conversation is just impossible.

>>512192142
you're still not answering my question. you're talking about belief within the confines of Christianity.
how do you know Christianity is the true faith? how do you know Christ is the true God? muslims can say the same claim - that God revealed Himself to them through Muhammad, and that the quran is the final and uncorrupted revelation
just like Christians, they have holy texts, miracles they point to, a long tradition, personal experiences, and philosophical arguments for the truth of their faith
it's all well and good if you believe that that's the interpretation of Christianity that's the correct one, but this doesn't answer the argument between which faith is correct

>>512192239
>What else do atheists believe?
A lot of different things. Atheism is jist a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>512192292
is this where you say babies are atheists

>>512187793 (OP)
>pic related is what most theists actually believe
Atheism is the least rational belief system ever conceived.

>>512192338
Atheism is the default position

>>512191067

>>512192292
>Atheism is jist a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
Proof?

>>512187793 (OP)
You worship a book written by men decades after Jesus was around. You are retarded to think your beliefs are fact.

>>512192343
Kek
>>512192276
Another moron another strawman

>>512192353
>Atheism is the default position
Proof?

>>512192239
Depends on the atheist. I'll extend an olive branch and agree with you that the entire dark matter stuff is evidently lunacy.
But let's just keep it real. When it comes to atheism, there's no specific framework that is doctrinally taught. Likewise, even within the scientific community, there's plenty of atheists who have very opposing views on basically everything you mentioned, including particle physics, cosmology and so on.

>>512192353
how would you know you can't ask them

>>512192358

>>512192292
>A lot of different things. Atheism is jist a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
Atheists have to believe the world works some way. Otherwise, they are mindless. Atheism is Scientism. There is no other way to explain the world.

>>512192398
>appeal to definition fallacy
Try again.

>>512192380
No one is born with belief in God or gods its taught

>>512192393
Thanks for proving my point

>>512192425
>No one is born with belief in God or gods its taught
Ok
>therefore atheism
This is a logical nonsequitur. Try again.

>>512187793 (OP)
Yahweh is Satan
Jesus is son of Zeus

>>512192353
How many babies were surveyed?

>>512192401
>Atheists have to believe the world works some way
Sure. Each have different views about it
>>512192416
You go into the filter now

>>512191918
Literally every Christian heresy (that was debated and condemned) was based on hellenistic metaphysics. That's what all the debates were about. Christianity has its own metaphysics. Just think of Creation ex-nihilo. Then you's have a retarded that would read Aristotle and think, what if matter is co-eternal with God (Mormonism) and he'd start influencing others, preaching about it and the the bishops needed to intervene to teach the Orthodox metaphysics of Christianity which the doctrines are based on and so forth.

>>512192343
who created God?

>>512192384
>When it comes to atheism, there's no specific framework that is doctrinally taught.
Then how come almost all of you fall into the same constellation of beliefs?

>>512192479
Demonstrate a baby born believing or having the knowledge of God or gods

>>512192483
>commits fallacy
>gets called out
>seethes
Typical atheist behavior.

>>512192509
Why does God need to be created? You sound literally retarded.

Atheism is the assertion of the virtue if stupidity. Dyslexics telling you that books are clearly flammable bricks for barbecues and that you’re silly head for disagreeing.
Then they go on an absolute faith crusade with crazy anti scientific bunk which they make a religion out of. Academics are pathetic creatures, uni destroys peoples intelligence and brainwashes them in claptrap.

>>512192512
Because the vast majority of people, regardless of faith, are criminally retarded. The masses are largely irrational sheep blindly following trends. It's for the same reason that the average Christian hardly knows anything about the metahpysical implications of their own world view.

>>512192451
you can't ask them if they're atheist or if they believe in God. you're just making an assumption.

>>512192579
>you can't ask them if they're atheist or if they believe in God
Why? Is because they lack any of that knowledge?

>>512189464
What did you expect from people who literally worship jews and claim to be circumcised in the heart?

>>512192576
So it's a pure coincidence that if someone calls himself an atheist, 90% of the time I can correctly infer a bunch of his beliefs based on that bit of information alone? :^)

>>512192549
because "something always existed" is no more a sensical explanation than "something came from nothing"

>>512187793 (OP)
Now post the christcuck bingo

>>512192555
Yeah how dare these people not donate to israel!

>>512192611
because they can't speak. you can't ask them anything at all. you're just assuming they're atheist the same way you'd assume an animal is atheist.

512192630
>I can strawman a bunch of his beliefs based on that bit of information alone? :^)
Ftfy

>>512192645
>something always existed
So you don't believe in the Big Bunga anymore?

>>512192663
>because they can't speak
Why?

>>512192689
i don't know whether or not it happened, or why it happened if it did
that's why i'm here talking to people about it
can you answer my question?

>>512192630
Right, but when you're discussing the validity of a metaphysical framework, you should be discussing it with someone intelligent and knowledgeable in their field since the average person is too mediocre.
I'm sure you'd agree that debunking a low IQ Christian is hardly an accomplishment and yet it doesn't really prove them wrong.

Rent free in the mind of religiontards everyday.

>>512192524
I am sorry, aren't you the intersectional marxist materialist? Are you assuming their beliefs without a survey?

>>512192698
because they don't know how to. you have no idea what they think until they can tell you. but they think all the time even though they can't talk.

>>512192731
>can you answer my question?
About who created god? That's not a question, it's a nonsensical religious chant.

Do you believe the principle of cause and effect is a law of nature?

>>512192775
>aren't you the intersectional marxist materialist?
No? Can you answer the question?
>>512192663
>because they can't speak. you can't ask them anything at all.
Why??

>>512192285
You need to get back to my fist post where I said that only Orthodoxy provides a coherent metaphysical world view where logic, epistemology, reason, etc are justified and possible. Other religions don't. Muslims can't say shit because their God/religion produces as a metaphysical framework : occasionalism and Nominalism. In Islam, Allah created evil. In Islam there is no free-will, etc.
Want to try Hinduism, want to try to justify logic and epystemology when the self is an illsion and everything else is an illusion (maya), etc.
Just start attending an Orthdox Church, meet the priest, ask him questions, etc

>>512192745
>when you're discussing the validity of a metaphysical framework, you should be discussing it with someone intelligent and knowledgeable in their field
So atheism is a metaphysical framework? A field with knowledgeable experts? I thought it was just a lack of belief.

>>512192794
And here he sets up the shitty cosmological argument that somehow his imaginary friend is immune to.

Still better arguments than a kike on a stick.

>>512192793
>because they don't know
Exactly. They lack the knowledge and therefore the belief. By default, they are atheist until they decide forthwmwlwvws what they believe

>>512192801
Why are you speaking for babies when you have no evidence? As a matter of fact, the claim that babies are atheist is a defeater for atheism because all humans were babies and religions still formed for thousands of years. Looks like the bumping molecules just require that we believe in God.

>>512192801
>Why?
I already answered you. they don't know how to talk, not before they're born and not for some time after. that's just how it is. but they have thoughts and feelings even though they can't talk.

>>512192794
>Do you believe the principle of cause and effect is a law of nature?
do you not?
>About who created god? That's not a question, it's a nonsensical religious chant.
why? why does "god always existed" make any more sense than "the big bang happened out of nothing"?

>>512192285
Muslims claim Jesus did not resurrect, but Jesus did resurrect and His resurrection is historical fact. The existence of false claims does not mean there are no true claims.

>>512192896
Is the universe natural?

>>512192862
they lack the knowledge to speak but you have no way to prove babies don't believe in God. you just assume that because they can't tell you.

>>512192841
>So atheism is a metaphysical framework
No, but when people discuss religion, faith or God, those discussions typically devolve into discussions about metaphysical frameworks.
>A field with knowledgeable experts
There are atheists who are very knowledgeable about faith, religion, metaphysics and so on, yes. Metaphysics is a field with knowledgeable experts, including atheistic ones.
>I thought it was just a lack of belief
I thought you'd try to actually discuss instead of trying to bruteforce some gotchas.

>>512192881
>Why are you speaking for babies when you have no evidence?
I do have evidence. You don't have any to refute me is all.
>>512192881
>because all humans were babies and religions still formed for thousands of years.
Doesn't make any sense man.
>>512192883
>I already answered you
And I replied
>>512192883
>they don't know
Exactly

>>512192821
Christianity believes God exists as a weird three-pronged entity whose components talk to each other but are somehow the same thing. You have no right to shit on any other belief system for being incoherent.

>>512192935
>they lack the knowledge
Exactly. >>512192935
>you have no way to prove babies don't believe in God.
Sure I do. When belief in God is taught and which God you believe depends on where you're born. It's why there's never been a Christian born on sentinel Island

>>512191256

Hinduism is obviously superior but it's still based on nonsense

>>512192821
>only Orthodoxy provides a coherent metaphysical world view where logic, epistemology, reason, etc are justified and possible
just because you personally believe this, doesn't mean it's true.
>>512192913
why are you dodging my questions?

>>512192950
>No
I ask you: if atheism is "just" a lack of belief, how come I can usually infer an atheist's actual beliefs just from his identifying with this label? You tell me: because most atheists are retarded and I should debate the expert atheists, who are analogous to Christian theologians. How does this make sense?

>>512192897
>His resurrection is historical fact
based on what?

>>512193000
>why are you dodging my questions?
That specific Maldovian is notorious for wasting time. He's only looking for gotchas. He will strawman everything you say.

>>512192995
>obviously superior
KEK

>>512193000
You said you believe the principle of cause and effect is a law of nature. Is the universe natural?

>>512192991
>Sure I do. When belief in God is taught and which God you believe depends on where you're born. It's why there's never been a Christian born on sentinel Island
that's not proof that babies don't believe in God, you're continuing to make assumptions without being able to ask them what they believe before or shortly after they're born.

>>512192959
Orthodox theology lesson time :
Cappadocian Trinitarianism, developed by the three Cappadocian Fathers—Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Nazianzus—represents a decisive and sophisticated formulation of Trinitarian metaphysics in the fourth century, resolving tensions between unity and plurality within the Christian doctrine of God. At the heart of their model lies the distinction between ousia (essence or substance) and hypostasis (individual reality or person). They affirmed that God is one ousia—a single divine essence—shared fully and equally by three hypostaseis: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This avoids both tritheism (three separate gods) and modalism (one God appearing in three modes). What grounds the unity is the shared divine essence; what accounts for the distinction are the irreducible personal properties of each: the Father is unbegotten, the Son is begotten, and the Spirit proceeds. Crucially, they upheld the monarchy of the Father, meaning that the Father is the sole source (archē) or cause (aitia) of the other two Persons—not in time, but eternally. This framework is often referred to as Monarchical Trinitarianism, since it preserves the primacy of the Father without subordinationism, by insisting that the Son and Spirit derive their being from the Father in an eternal, non-temporal, and non-hierarchical way. The Cappadocians thus balance ontological unity and personal diversity through a metaphysical grammar that becomes foundational for later Nicene orthodoxy, especially in the East, where the monarchy of the Father remains a core aspect of Trinitarian theology, in contrast to later Western developments such as the filioque.

>>512193048
why are you dodging my questions?

>>512193017
>How does this make sense?
Simple. I never said they're analogous to Christian theologians, you just slid that in to make a false equivalence.

>>512193074
You said you believe the principle of cause and effect is a law of nature. Is the universe natural?

Notice how this simple question about your own beliefs permanently stalls you.

>>512192951
>let me tell you what babies believe with no evidence
Modern science.

>>512193053
>>Sure I do. When belief in God is taught and which God you believe depends on where you're born. It's why there's never been a Christian born on sentinel Island
>that's not proof that babies don't believe in God,
You still don't get it.

Let me know when you find a baby that has knowledge and belief in any ci celt if God. You won't though

>>512193111
i don't know?
answer my question please - why does "god always existed" make any more sense than "the big bang happened out of nothing"?

>>512187793 (OP)
>If I frame and cherry pick the arguments the way they are in my head, surely this will own the atheists
And even then, you can't refute any of these strawman arguments. You're a special kind of idiot.

>>512189291
Then I think you should be believing in Greek gods.

>>512193128
>with no evidence
Ive had kids bud. It's you whonhas bo evidence lol.

>>512193100
>I never said they're analogous to Christian theologians
>>512192745
>you should be discussing it with someone intelligent and knowledgeable in their field
>I'm sure you'd agree that debunking a low IQ Christian is hardly an accomplishment

I guess lying is one of those expert atheist tactics that high IQ atheists deploy?

>>512193133
I get what you're trying to say I just disagree with you because you're basing your point on an assumption.

>>512187793 (OP)
god is omnipotent AI from previous era.
Bible is just nonsence fairytales by people who didnt understand any of it

>>512193073
Yeah, exactly what I said except you dressed it up with a bunch of word salad to make it seem smart. Christian’s and other religions believe if you add enough words to a made up idea somehow if adds validity to it - it doesn’t.

>>512193159
>i don't know?
You don't know if you believe that the universe is natural?

>>512193175
>anecdotal evidence
I am sorry, are you a normative authority?
Did your baby whisper in your ear
>checkmate Jesus

>>512193216
no, i don't? it's unknowable for a human being
answer my question please - why does "god always existed" make any more sense than "the big bang happened out of nothing"?

>>512193176
>if they are intelligent and experts in a field, that must mean they all share a same metaphysical framework
Crazy how disingenuous you are in conversation. Are you sure that you're, instead of a Christian, maybe not Jewish instead? It feels like you're just trying very hard to make Christians come across like deceptive, subhuman cattle.

>>512193183
>I get what you're trying to say
Not really.
>>512193183
>you because you're basing your point on an assumption.
Not really, I'm basing it off the facutkirs if a baby. They aren't born with understanding on that level. Hence why it's taught and why geographical location matters

>>512193219
>>anecdotal evidence
Is still evidence. You'd understand if you had kids

>>512193269
>facutkirs
Faculties

>>512193314
death to phoneposters

>>512193207
Multiplicity exists in God and there is only one God. Simple and logical.

>>512193264
>no
That's fair. For the sake of argument, let's suppose it is natural. You said you do believe cause and effect is a law of nature. If the universe is natural, why would its origination be exempt from a natural law? Claiming so is what atheists like to call a special pleading fallacy.

>>512193293
So we went from babies are atheist to my baby is an atheist. This must be like that pedowood thing where rich socialites just know their sons are women. Sad, many such cases.

>>512193344
>boohoo
Lol

>>512193265
I'm disingenuous? Let's try this again: if atheism is "just" a lack of belief, how come I can infer a bunch of an atheist's belief just based on that label in most cases?

>>512192398
You are dishonest. If you truly only "lacked belief" you would be silent because you would have no ball in the game. Clearly with 24+ posts you are actually making a claim that the theists are wrong. Therefore you must defend your claim.
It's also not the "default position", because Creation exists. Creation, and what the entails (morality, logic, consciousness all of which are unexplainable by naturalism) must be explained, and the only logical way to explain Creation is through a Creator. So burden on proof is actually on you to prove how Creation happens without a Creator.

>>512193269
>Not really, I'm basing it off the facutkirs if a baby. They aren't born with understanding on that level. Hence why it's taught and why geographical location matters
they have thoughts and feelings that cannot be expressed until they reach a certain age. for many people the proof that all children are God's children is evident. but that is probably beyond your understanding as an atheist.

>>512193375
>So we went from babies are atheist to my baby is an atheist.
You did maybe. My argument reminds about all of them.

I understand all you can reply with is a
>nuh uh
That's cool. You can disagree

>>512193410
>You are dishonest. If you truly only "lacked belief" you would be silent because you would have no ball in the game.
I enjoy the arguments. I don't need to be silent lol. So no, no dishonestly

>>512193350
>a conscious entity needs to be multiplied by a factor of three for some reason
>simple and logical and not a half ass attempt to reconcile contradictory things in my religious texts

>>512193411
>they have thoughts and feelings
The same lame argument you made for me also applies to you. Except you lack that level of introspection lol

>>512193399
What is the difference between Christian theologians and atheist experts in metaphysics? Can you figure it out or are you going to continue pretending that you're not disingenuous?
The obvious difference is the Christian theologians predominantly share a world view and stance on metaphysics, whereas the atheist experts in metaphysics hold a wide variety of mutually incompatible stances, illustrating very aptly how atheism is not a framework in and of itself.

>>512193549
>the atheist experts in metaphysics hold a wide variety of mutually incompatible stances
This is a lie and it also doesn't answer my question in any way: if atheism is "just" a lack of belief, how come I can infer a bunch of an atheist's belief just based on that label in most cases?

>>512193515
so why assume? you could just say "there's no way to know if babies believe in God or if they are atheist as soon as they gain consciousness" (especially since you can't define when consciousness happens)

>>512193593
>this is a lie
Yup, you're full of shit, evidently. Don't bother responding.

>>512193620
If atheism is "just" a lack of belief, how come I can infer a bunch of an atheist's belief just based on that label in most cases?

Protip: admitting that most atheists are retarded and telling me I should debate the "experts in the field" still doesn't answer that question.

>>512193433
Yes, and all of angelina jolies sons are actually women. Glad I know where you stand.

>>512193599
>so why assume?
It's called observation. You're the one assuming. While obsever that no babies have ever demonstrated to about God gods. Have you? The answer is no

>>512193672
>makes up a strawman
You are too stupid for these conversations

>>512193680
You are making a positive claim in that there is a belief there. Are rocks atheist too?

>>512193656
Because people who leave the brainwashing of religion tend to be neurologically similar to each other in other ways? Are you retarded?

>>512193710
Well, you said you had a baby so you should understand. When angelina jolie says her sons are daughters its because they really are women. Women is the default state.

>>512193723
>You are making a positive claim
And no one can demonstrate I'm wrong.

>>512187793 (OP)
shut the fuck up corpse kisser

>>512193680
>no babies have ever demonstrated knowledge about God
this is a matter of personal opinion, as I said many people believe that all children are God's children. but outside of personal opinion, you are making an assumption either way.

>>512193754
Shifting the burden of proof. It is on you to prove a claim is true.

>>512193750
>doubles down
Thanks for demonstrating how disingenuous Christians are

>>512193793
You can't demonstrate it is wrong.

>>512193747
>people who leave the brainwashing of religion
I don't see how a bunch of people who share the same metaphysical beliefs have "left the brainwashing of religion". It rather sounds like atheism is a religion.

>>512193790
>Shifting the burden of proof
Nope. It just demonstrates you can't prove me wrong is all

>>512193837
Babies are born believing in God and the death of all infidels. Can't prove me wrong is all

>>512193814
Yes I can. I don't believe like she does. Kek

>>512193510
God isn't an entity. God is arche. Only contingent, created things are entities, or members of sets and categories. Also, God isn't conscious, he is the sourse of conscience.
The problem.you have is that you thing God is an contingent entity with contingent properties/characteristics.

>>512193873
Cope.

>>512193723
>Are rocks atheist too?
they have a lack of belief so technically yes kek
bug too

>>512193854
>Can't prove me wrong is all
Sure I can. Zero babies have been demonstrating what you've said

>>512193895
I accept your concession

>>512193899
Atheism isn't a lack of belief. You can't make it through a single post without making grievous errors.

>>512187986
Lucifer

>>512193942
>Atheism isn't a lack of belief
It sure is

>>512187793 (OP)
Do you christcuck not get ashamed of writing these walls of text and fighting against these strawmen? You worship jews by the way.

>>512192065
>Satan
>Is already judged
Big yikes anon. In a book that specifically says to follow Jesus Christ to God and salvation, you've managed to miss this redemption arc bro. HELLLOOOOO LOCK IN BOOMER?!

>>512193942
you're right it isn't I agree with you. was making a joke.
>atheism is a lack of belief
Is a fairly new add on in atheists more recent attempt at staying relevant in these types of discussions. Most based and knowledgeable figures have moved far beyond such tripe.

>>512194034
>>atheism is a lack of belief
>Is a fairly new add on
Not really that's always been the case.

>>512188494
>>512189462
You worship jews. Did you have fun on your last trip to work for free on an israeli plantation?

>>512193363
>If the universe is natural, why would its origination be exempt from a natural law?
like i've said, i don't know and it's not knowable from a human being's perspective
>Claiming so is what atheists like to call a special pleading fallacy.
okay, and? what's this got to do with our discussion? i never claimed this

answer my question please - why does "god always existed" make any more sense than "the big bang happened out of nothing"?

What if religion is only there to surpress you stupid monkeys so that you are forced to adhere to morals.

And all the coping that you will have a good afterlife and Le evil rich man will rot in hell.

The only thing that truly comes from religion is the concept of morals.

>>512194077
wrong it was added fairly recently originally and for a long time atheism was simply
>disbelief in God
and that was the end of the definition.

>>512193475
If you enjoy the arguments you enjoy participation. If you genuinely lacked a belief you would not participate in critiquing other beliefs. You can't pretend to be passive because by stating "I lack belief in God" to participate in argument you are in actuality making a claim that theism is unwarranted and unjustified. which means it's on you to explain the alternative (Creation without a Creator).

>>512194137
>wrong
Nah. A means without. So atheism is without theism. Which means it's a lack of

>>512194176
>If you enjoy the arguments you enjoy participation
Yup :^)

>>512194190
atheism was previously defined as disbelief in God and fairly recently the addition of "lack of belief" was added. cope or don't, those are that facts.

>>512194176
>you are in actuality making a claim that theism is unwarranted and unjustified
Incorrect. It's unwarranted a MD unjustified for me. If it works for you, knock yourself out

>>512194106
I worship God and God alone.

>>512194246
>defined as disbelief in God
That's still a lack of belief bud

>>512194271
disbelief is a choice.

>>512187793 (OP)
grow up and stop believing in fairy tales, gypsy

>>512194291
Sure. It's still a lack of belief lol

>>512194128
In conclusion: a natural universe that just appears without a cause, is a fallacy, given your belief about cause and effect.

>why does "god always existed" make any more sense
Because God would be supernatural and thus justifiably exempt from what you believe to be a natural law.

>>512187793 (OP)
You forgot
>If God is real, then why does cock feel so good in my ass?

512194329
>In conclusion: a natural universe that just appears without a cause,
Loke I said. The Maldovian is here to only strawman your replies

>>512194329
>and thus justifiably exempt from what you believe to be a natural law.
but i don't believe this

>>512194248
Truth is not subjective. Either God exists or God does not. Whether God "works for you" does not alter reality. You are engaging in intellectual cowardice, probably because deep down you know disbelief in God is untenable.

>>512194308
>sure
disbelief: the act of disbelieving : mental rejection of something as untrue
the recent add on of "lack of belief" is what gives you your argument that atheism is a default state. but assuming there is a default either way is an assumption. because a person can be neither.

>>512194412
>but i don't believe this
It doesn't matter that you "don't believe" in having coherent views. The point still stands.

>>512194420
>*either way is still

>>512188721
2000 years of converging on the topic and you think the divine would actually manifest itself in the way your texts say they would.

>>512188721
It's only illogical/incoherent if one constrains their logic to the 3 physical dimensions we experience.

>>512194413
>Truth is not subjective
Sure. You're personal feelings about God is
>>512194420
>the recent add on of "lack of belief" is what gives you your argument that atheism is a default state.
One can lack belief by choice and/or ignorance. It's why an obese person lacks good healthy by choice

>If I just beleeeve it enough it must be true despite there being no proof it's all about having da fayth!
>nonono my god is definitely the real one, the one those other people beleev in is fake and not real.

>>512194454
just because you decided something was coherent, doesn't mean it is

>>512189537
>>lives in religious majority
Yes, lets all do the brown thing.

>>512194493
>One can lack belief by choice and/or ignorance. It's why an obese person lacks good healthy by choice
you're discounting the possibility of a null state, as well. null does not mean atheist.

>>512194509
Ok, you're clearly a 70 IQ monkey who can't follow basic logic. A good representative of the atheist religion.

>>512194545
>you're discounting the possibility of a null state,
Define what "null state" is in your own words

>>512191067
Every christian is trans-jewish.

>>512187793 (OP)
meanwhile all christcucks have to do is just say to believe in their desert version of Harry Potter really hard

>>512194611
Neither passive nor assertive.

>>512194749
That's tells me nothing. Can you give an example of this?

>>512194783
neither passive nor assertive in any beliefs. like a person, but not a baby or child, that is incapable of having a position either way.

>>512193363
Do you recommend any good books on apologetic/debates/falacies against atheists ?

>>512194572
i'm not an atheist, the fact you can't tell that even still tells me you're the only one with a room temperature iq here

>>512194870
Yeah I don't know anyone like this
>>512194870
>that is incapable of having a position either way.
So they lack a position like a lack of belief lol

>>512194929
>So they lack a position like a lack of belief lol
they are neither passive atheist nor assertive atheist. they are null.

>>512194995
>they are null.
Null still describes a lack of.

>>512194877
No idea, anon. I used to watch banana sodomite type YT videos as a teen. Initially I thought they were clever and interesting. Then I thought about it some more and realized almost all of their arguments are shallow and retarded. Maybe I should write a book about it. :^)

>>512195052
it also describes someone that is neither passive atheist nor assertive atheist. and passive atheist is the one that is under the "lack of belief" definition.

>>512195090
>Maybe I should write a book about it. :^)
Indeed. Title it "How to strawman" kek

>>512194900
>i'm not an atheist
Good. Either way, the point still stands that saying "heckin' universe has always been there" implies the universe as a whole is exempt from what you claimed to be a natural law, and therefore supernatural.

>>512195142
>and passive atheist is the one that is under the "lack of belief" definition.
So is a person who lack any position lol.

Can you give an example of the type of person you're talking about?

>>512195145
Pure projection. All of the Atheist Movement standard bazingas ("who created god???" etc.) are strawmen.

>>512195090
Nice. I gotcha. I think base on your style you'd like Van Til's Apologetic: Readings and Analysis - Greg Bahnsen. Maybe it will inspire you to write your own book.

Why is it morally wrong if a thief steals and gets away with it?
And If humans and intelligent life did not exist, would it still be morally wrong for a thief to steal and get away with it?

>>512195195
>the term itself “lack of belief” presupposes awareness and categorization, which makes it not quite the same as a true epistemic null state according to google

>>512195344
The trick is that he thinks he gets to categorize others (e.g. rocks, babies) as being part of his cult.

You're going to burn in hellfire for eternity because of your irrational hate of atheists, you know that?
Jesus taught you to love your enemies and you refuse, that's the endless lake of fire for you.

>>512195409
yes it's merely an assumption that a being is aware and can have a lack of anything.

>>512195252
I'll check it out. Thanks.

>>512195409
>The trick is that he thinks he gets to categorize others (e.g. rocks, babies) as being part of his cult.
An atheist is someone who doesn't worship any gods.
babies do not worship gods.
btw christjewry is a second temple sect.

>>512187793 (OP)

>>512195716
>An atheist is someone who doesn't worship any gods.
Proof?

>>512195766
Mild kek.

>>512195770
the proof is that if they were worshipping the war god allah you wouldn't go after them. You're afraid of the wrath of potential gods that could exist, so you go after the only people that don't have a god that could smite you if it was real.

>>512195770
>Proof?
Of what?
Why do retarded christnegresses have such a difficult time understanding atheism?

>>512195955
Of your claim.

>>512195955
you've no proof babies believe or don't believe in God. and you can't refute the null state of human consciousness.

>>512195917
Empirically, those who call themselves "atheists" tend to hold beliefs that fall into a distinct constellation. One typical atheist belief is that they get to just "define" atheism in a way that includes a bunch of people who would never willingly associate themselves with this demographic.

If you argue this point to an atheist, sooner or later he will revert to slandering whatever he thinks your religion is, or making some strawmen about theists, even if you never express any theistic beliefs. At that point, he has determined that you are NOT an atheist, even though you may very well be one by his bogus definition. Why? Simply because you disagree with his characteristic atheist philosophy and atheist pattern of thought. This WILL happen REGARDLESS of your belief in deities or lack thereof. The atheist intuitively rejects the same definition he expects others to accept.

>>512195223
>Pure projection
The title of your next book lol
>>512195344
As I said it can be from ignorance too. Willful or not

>>512195409
>>512195472
Demonstrate a baby being born with the knowledge of God or gods.

I'll wait

>>512195973
Sure. I don't worship any God or gods

>>512196198
See >>512196104

>>512196104
>Empirically, those who call themselves "atheists" tend to hold beliefs that fall into a distinct constellation
Loke I said about your book
>>512195145
>Title it "How to strawman" kek
Lmao

>>512196226
You see
>>512196252

>>512196163
>As I said it can be from ignorance too. Willful or not
a Christian gets into an accident and falls into a coma with minimal brain activity, barely any consciousness to speak of. do they become atheist? do they go back to being Christian when they wake up or if they die? another example, a person on drugs that denounces their beliefs, are they suddenly atheist? but go back to being a Christian when they're sober?

>>512196226
And still no demonstration

>>512195425
My hatred for atheists is extremely rational. I have all the right in the world to drag them to Hell.

>>512196291
>a Christian gets into an accident and falls into a coma with minimal brain activity, barely any consciousness to speak of. do they become atheist?
Depends on what "minimal brain activity" entails. Permanent loss of memory? Maybe. But I would remmeber them based in their character, not the accident
>>512196291
>a person on drugs that denounces their beliefs, are they suddenly atheist?
Are their beliefs absent one in God or gods?

>>512195973
>Of your claim.
It's in the name itself.
a(prefix a-) theist (deus, god) - without a god
>>512196291
>christian
Yes, they won't worship yahweh and rabbi yeshua while in the coma.
>druggie
Yes, they renounced their only god and therefore don't have a god to worship.

>>512196467
>Depends on what "minimal brain activity" entails. Permanent loss of memory? Maybe. But I would remmeber them based in their character, not the accident
but what if they did still believe but they had no way to communicate it to you?
>Are their beliefs absent one in God or gods?
yes the person under the influence of drugs experiences a drastically altered mental state and denounces their religion. is that person atheist? is that state a true representation of their beliefs?

>>512196573
>appeal to etymology fallacy
Try again.

>>512196625
>>appeal to etymology fallacy
No, the word hasn't changed.

>>512196590
>but what if they did still believe but they had no way to communicate it to you?
Then that means they communicated it before the accident, which brings us back to what I said
>>512196467
>But I would remmeber them based in their character, not the accident
>>512196590
>yes the person under the influence of drugs experiences a drastically altered mental state and denounces their religion.
Denouncing religion isn't a disbelief in God or gods. But for the sake of argumentation then yeah, they would be atheist in that moment
>is that person atheist? is that state a true representation of their beliefs?
If they have the accepted drugs then they accept the consequences of the affects and effects and consequences of them.

>>512196625
>anything js a fallacy I can't refute
Kek

>>512196773
>blatantly doubles down on fallacy with a totally irrelevant reply
Atheists don't know how to debate.

>>512196573
>Yes
how do you know, they were Christian when they fell into a coma. what if they can still dream and think. you would have no idea what they believe at that time, they could be denouncing God for their accident or praising Him because they feel at peace. there's no way to know.
>Yes, they renounced their only god
yes but their mind was altered, so is that a true indicator for what they believe in?

>>512196914
>I still can't refute
Project some more bud

>>512196915
>>Yes, they renounced their only god
>yes but their mind was altered, so is that a true indicator for what they believe in?
Their mind was altered to gain said beliefs as well.

>>512194470

>>512196825
>Then that means they communicated it before the accident, which brings us back to what I said
but what if they denounce God before slipping into a coma? what then? the entirety of their belief or lack there of becomes based on your perception without any way to confirm or deny what that person believes in.
>If they have the accepted drugs then they accept the consequences of the affects and effects and consequences of them.
this is somewhat weak. an altered mental state is not a true indicator of a person's beliefs. and the idea that a person can honestly, truly slip back and forth between atheism and belief within hours is a bit silly.

>>512187793 (OP)
Awee the Christcuck memes seem to have gotten under your skin! LOLOL jew worshippers.

>>512196984
>Their mind was altered to gain said beliefs as well
not with hallucinatiry drugs (think ayahuasca). Which biochemically is vastly different, at least in the medical sense.

>>512197073
>but what if they denounce God before slipping into a coma? what then?
Then obviously yes, they are an atheist in that moment

>>512197073
>the entirety of their belief or lack there of becomes based on your perception without any way to confirm or deny what that person believes in.
You just confirmed they stopped believing. Lol

>>512197073
>this is somewhat weak. an altered mental state is not a true indicator of a person's beliefs
In order to gain said beliefs their mind was altered. So this is a weak point to make

>>512197150
>>Their mind was altered to gain said beliefs as well
>not with hallucinatiry drugs
I'd argue that's what th4 religious mind virus is. A placebo

>>512197073
>and the idea that a person can honestly, truly slip back and forth between atheism and belief within hours is a bit silly.
Not really. Atheism is a response to a claim or an opinion to a question. Opinions and responses can change

>>512197185
>You just confirmed they stopped believing. Lol
but what if they decide to believe again while unconscious. how would you know?
>In order to gain said beliefs their mind was altered. So this is a weak point to make
not the same

>>512187793 (OP)
theist cope wheel

>>512197292
>but what if they decide to believe again while unconscious
>while unconscious
>unconscious
You really are grasping at straws kiddo

>>512197292
>>In order to gain said beliefs their mind was altered. So this is a weak point to make
>not the same
I disagree

>>512197381
>You really are grasping at straws kiddo
a person can be unconscious in a coma and still dream and think things. You have no way of knowing what they believe in.

>>512197454
>a person can be unconscious in a coma and still dream and think things
Then we'll talk about it when they wake up lol

>>512197407
a person tripping on drugs suddenly declaring they believe in God or denouncing religion altogether is not a true indication of what they believe in.

>>512197493
what if they die

>>512197522
>a person tripping on drugs suddenly declaring they believe in God or denouncing religion altogether is not a true indication of what they believe in.
Again, that's why I mentioned the consequences that follow after. And for some people it is..I've know folks who become religious after shrooms and vice versa

>>512197552
Again, back to
>>512196467
>But I would remmeber them based in their character, not the accident

>>512197605
>Again, that's why I mentioned the consequences that follow after. And for some people it is..I've know folks who become religious after shrooms and vice versa
for a person that when sober feels strongly one way or the other I would distrust their opposing claims while under the influence.

>>512197714
>I would distrust
>I would
Cool, you do you

>>512197681
>But I would remember them based in their character, not the accident
but you have no way to know what they believe in.