By restricting immigration, the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it scarce resulting in inflated labor costs.

Anti-immigration is anti-free market. If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're not an individualist, but a collectivist.

>>512193089 (OP)
>unconditional free flow
>unconditional
see that is where the problem is. it is not unconditional and it is not a part of the 'free' market.

>>512193089 (OP)
>you're not an individualist, but a collectivist.
Yes, and?
Fuck jews and fuck niggers.

>please don't organize with other workers, only your bosses is allowed to form cartels

>>512193089 (OP)
Milton likes the theoretical idea of open borders but he understood that welfare states make unfettered migration a costly mistake.
I want the whole world to be borderless in the future. But to get there, we need to cure low intelligence first. so that everyone is intelligent.

>>512193089 (OP)
Friedman also stated that open borders and a welfare state cannot coexist in a nation.

>>512193089 (OP)
Mass immigration is a Right Wing Capitalist policy.
>>512193667
Yes which meant he still wanted open borders but no welfare state. He wanted a Capitalist mixed race free for all.

>>512193089 (OP)
He said only if they remain illegal because then they won't collect welfare. Why not come up with a decent argument?

>If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're not an individualist, but a collectivist.
Not on my property or housing covenant. Pakistani rape gangs are a violation of people's liberty, are they not?

>you should just let invading armies cross the border bro, it's freedom
Libertarianism has been subverted to mean "open borders", you literally don't give a shit about anything else.

>>512193089 (OP)

Jewish Economist Milton Friedman.
You can't be a lolbertarian for too long, if your IQ is above 105, else you'd notice how very conveniently most of the lolbertarian proponents just so happened to be Jewish. Any Rand, Milton Friedman and probably many others I haven't researched. Lolbertarianism is provided as the "based" alternative to the evil commies (Jews again), therefore you are picking the good guys if you are a lolbert - the lolbert Jews allegedly are better than the commie Jews.
That being said, any person above 105 IQ would inevitable see through these lies and how little sense it makes to be a lolbert in no time. Then the next logical step is to remove the invisible hand, that is controlling the free market. And that's how one becomes a National Socialist.

>>512193089 (OP)
This guy helped to destabilize brown countries which caused their people to flee war and show up here. You know what's cheaper than free flowing labor? Not having to create a bureaucracy to handle the problem "small government' kikes create in the name of free markets.

>>512193089 (OP)

>>512193089 (OP)
>NOOOO LABOUR COSTS SHOULDN'T BE HIGH, THEY SHOULD BE LOW TO BENEFIT THE EMPLOYER
You're a cuck. Perpetually existing corporations will accumulate more and more power over multiple generations until humans are serfs. Neoliberal faggot.

I like the way he refers to migrants and residents. Jews cannot conceive of the concept of citizenhood. He doesn't care about the value of life in the country, only on the number going up as much as possible before he migrates somewhere else.

>>512193468
>>512193518
>>512194281
This is socialism, this is state, this is religion, this is people, this is collectivism.
That is anti-Western, brown-coded, and third-worldist !

>>512193089 (OP)
By allowing for mass immigration the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially increasing it resulting in lower wages.

Also, free market principles are irrelevant in the age of fiat.

>>512193089 (OP)
Possible the most jewish webm of all time, congrats OP

>>512194242
What were you doing for work before Muhammed from South Sudan came over and replaced you?

>>512193089 (OP)
You have to be above 120 IQ to understand where he's going at.

If you have foreign immigration, the only way to ensure they'll be productive is to not give them any gibs.
In that way, you either work or starve to death.

And this does lead to lower production costs, which prevents companies going overseas (since production costs are the major reason for doing so).

But if you add the other aspects of Mexican immigration, mostly the genetic aspect (inevitable white-Mexican interbreeding), lower average IQ in the population, possible higher crime rates (possible, because if they have to work to survive, they'll think 10 times before doing anything illegal) - the overall net result for the nation is probably negative.

TL;DR
In economic aspects, immigration CAN be good, like Friedman said, but overall, long-term, it's negative.

Pic. shows that if you want cheap labour, just lax the immigration policy for the Ukies - they'd do the cheap work, and they'd eventually rise on the ladder, due to their higher IQ than Mexicans.

>>512194316
>this is religion
says the man who worships the invisible hand

>>512193089 (OP)
The safe bet is to kill on the spot anyone making this argument.

>individualism is... le bad!
>rich people are... le bad!
>corporations are... le bad!
>CEOs are... le bad!
>capitalism is... le bad!

>collectivism is... le good!
>unions are... le good!
>government is... le good!
>communism is... le good!

You HAVE to go back.

>>512193581
There is no objective definition for intelligence.

>>512193089 (OP)
Yes, listen to a kike.

>>512193089 (OP)
All falls apart with welfare fraud and birth right citizenship. He would not advocate the same for Israel.

>>512194316
>pro-migration
>pretends to be white
Many such cases.

>>512194242
Also, take into account overprinting.

>>512193089 (OP)
Our resources exist to make our lives better they're not for the entire planet.

>>512194432
So you are anti-West?

>>512193089 (OP)
Im anti-free market and a collectivist. What now?

>>512194453
Jews are bad, yes.
National Socialism is good.

>>512194615
dang, I forgot to turn on my troll flag T_T

>>512193089 (OP)

This only works if you abolish welfare for boatniggers.

50% of all those who come to YouKay do not work.

Most of those who do work, do only with in-work benefits (universal credit). So the taxpayer is subsidising maybe 50% of their income.

Do not fall for jewish tricks.

>>512193089 (OP)
As usual, cherry picked bullshit. He also slammed fist on the table that you can't have unfettered immigration AND a welfare state. In fact, it was an argument he worked into public speaking over and over.
OP-Either you want the immediate legislative repeal of all social programs, or you are a filthy memeflaggot nigger. Which is it?

>>512194615
Why are (You) such a kike lover?

>>512193089 (OP)
>We will continue to import savage shitskins that need 300 years to assimilate, or sometimes dont assimilate at all and form parallel communities
>What you see as murder, rape, human trafficking and theft coming from these savages, we see as "growing pains"

>>512194615
>quibbling

Good things that gun had more than one bullet

>>512194316
>brown-coded is not letting in the heckin browns to lower your wages and rape your women.
Retard

>>512194649
Antisemitic libtards claim that all memeflags are Israeli, turns out they always were brownoid Eurocommies.

>>512194643
see >>512194316 >>512194615
You are pro-collectivism and anti-Capitalism, probably pro-Europe and supportive of its cooperation with anti-West (but not-anti Europe) countries within the BRICS framework, and thus anti-West, Third-Worldist, and Brown-coded!
>>512194677
see >>512194649 :)

>>512193089 (OP)
>Friedman
No surprise the man who introduced Lolbertism to a party previously run by financially prudent Eisenhower-Nixon fails to pass the early life check

>>512193089 (OP)
I don't care about your labels. The state and society should work for the benefit of the people. I don't particularly care if we have private companies, but I also don't mind if all their CEOs have to be slaughtered if it's the only way for them to stop trying to destroy the society they operate in.

>>512194719
This is an outrage!
Don't you know the Anglo-American + Zionist cooperation created the Western world, including its current occupation of 1945-conquered Europe!?

>>512194728
Worry not, friend. T'was a mere jest!

>>512193089 (OP)
Honestly he's right, you can't fault the logic, that being said immigration would reduce by 90% immediately by simply abolishing state welfare.

>>512194832
Israel was founded by a zionist atheist socialists and was hostile to Britain initially due to their terrorism against the colonial government. There's nothing Western about Zionism, in fact it is a anti-western ideology which pushes rejection of assimilation. Its support here is based off propaganda + bribes.

>>512194400
ubereats rider, obviously.

>>512194770
Why do you have to false flag against Liberty? Because you love slavery and have no real ideas, you exposed yourself liar.

>>512193089 (OP)
How about the free flow of a blade through your jugular?

>>512194797
I don't care about you, I won't slave away for you, if you want to be such a good person then give your money to the state for free.

>>512194999
>There's nothing Western about Zionism
>*Looks at the United States, undisputed leader and argually creator "The West", and its relationship to Zionism*
>uuuuh.... that wasnt real West! Real West has never been tried!

also, filename

>>512193089 (OP)
If I recall correctly, Friedman stated the following:
>either you have unlimited immigration and no welfare state,
>or you have little to no immigration and a generous welfare state.
Sure, as a lower-case libertarian he'd supported having little to no welfare state coupled with unregulated legal immigration and (possibly) not-that-harsh enforcement of other types of immigration laws (he certainly understood the existence of widespread illegal workforce in the US, especially in the agricultural sector... wonder what he'd think today about the murder gangs though...)
As for the legal/sovereign aspects of immigration: a state, ideally a fairly elected government can and should limit immigration, be it nat.sec. reasons or otherwise. However, central governments ought to control travel bans/visas/entries, and not e.g. study, work or other such visas (in the US, that should be a state right). Lastly, and most importantly, citizenship should always be up to the localities, even perm.res. status. My main argument is that no elected govt. should have the power to irredeemably alter the electorate via immigration/citizenship policies (see: Switzerland as a working example).

>>512193089 (OP)
>anti-free market
>"I live in a market"
The final form of a consoomer.
Trade is a facility in support of life, life is not a facility in support of trade.

>>512194401

If wages are continually going up companies have to innovate and increase productivity. This leads to improvements in technology and culture.
If wages are artificially going down they just buy more workers instead of finding any kind of efficiency.

It's low hanging fruit and safer. Investing in research and looking for efficiency doesn't guarantee your company continues to exist, hiring cheap labour is lower risk. Where would you put your money? As a result there has been stagnation.

The real reason Friedman promoted it was to break the power of unions, which he effectively did. Offshoring of jobs was also started for the same reason.

This faggot also supported allowing corporations growing to monopolize industries, further killing innovation. Again, a quick trick that destroys industry over a single-generation.

Cheap labour (via immigrants, offshoring, monopolization) doesn't maximize value creation, it maximizes profits by giving corporations all the advantages.

>>512193089 (OP)
Collectivism and Individualism are the one and the same

>>512194542
It's not even true what he says. If you really need workers give them worker visas and vet them properly. Don't encourage some criminal underworld.

>>512195454
based peabrain lmao

>>512195382
Friedman also strongly opposed bailing out companies seen as monopolies or at least anti-competitive like Chrysler.
He even backed up his free market principles by pointing out that in a free market monopolies like this can't survive.

>>512193089 (OP)
>here, goyim, is why replacing you with a cheap brown slave is good.

>>512195097
Liberty is a meaningless word.

>>512193877
Jews segregate and put borders around themselves though, they also show nepotism, hence the international 'jewish nation'.

They just want to set up a system that is advantageous to their identity at the expense of others. Almost every jew is aggresivelly like this due to the high levels of ethnocentrism.

>>512193089 (OP)
When does Israel take a gazillion niggers and Arabs, rabbi?

>>512193089 (OP)
How many Indians do you need in your country to achieve the freemarket of endless supply of dystopia and literal shit?

Jews segregate and put borders around themselves though, they also show nepotism, hence the international 'jewish nation'.

They just want to set up a system that is advantageous to their identity at the expense of others. Almost every jew is aggressively like this due to the high levels of ethnocentrism.

>>512194906
Being retarded ironically is still being a retard

>>512194461
but there is an objective definition for skin pigmentation.

>>512196261
Indeed.
Race is more than skin tone though.

>>512194400
Kill yourself spammer

>>512193089 (OP)
so according to this turbokike the only reason things are going to shit in the west is that illegals now manage to get welfare gibs?

>>512193581
Intelligence isn't the only problem with third world scum.

>>512195895
Good slave, they trained you well, freedom has no meaning.

>>512196397
He has a materialist worldview. He won't care about race and culture.

>>512193089 (OP)
By not restricting immigration, the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it abundant resulting in deflated labor costs.
Pro-immigration is anti-market and anti-nation. If you don't support the existence and control of borders, you're not a patriotic citizen, but a subversive globalist.

>>512196505
Freedom to do what?
That term is indeed meaningless.

>>512196518
>He won't care about race and culture.
i bet there was one race he cared about

>>512196397
How much do you think immigration would reduce if state welfare was abolished?

>>512196518
He does care about race, the jewish race.

>>512196612
Freedom means nothing to you, so why don't you just become my slave?

>>512196476
Low intelligence is the primary problem facing humanity.

>>512193468
>tf
>fuck jews

>>512193089 (OP)
we're not supposed to be a free market capitalistic society... ever hear of anti-trust laws? we were a free enterprise society and we enforced antitrust laws. that no longer is done and thus we have a lopsided economy now. friedman was a trojan horse piece of shit.

>>512196640
Zero percent

>>512193089 (OP)
>is anti-free market.

Good. Laissez fair economics have proven to be disastrous for the world and its people.

>>512196683
I should have the freedom to enslave lolberts and jews. You are anti-freedom if you retrict my freedom to do so.

>>512195537
National socialists and fascists don't care they just want to mass kill people and steal from everyone and if youre against that youre a jew to them who must be killed and stolen from.

>>512193089 (OP)
Reminder that all of these kiked arguments rely on the sheer scale of modern society circumventing freedom of association. A small community can organically bar shitskins from participating without violating any libertarian principles. An entire nation can't without some organization orchestrating this resistance. So OP's argument simply presupposes globalism to arrive at more globalism.

>>512196640
it might not have an immediate effect due to the momentum, but it would eventually reduce it
the problem is getting rid of the ones already in the country, which cutting off gibs would solve quite effectively but is impossible to do as things are at present (muh human rights)
btw i support the idea of a safety net for native populations. its a necessity in the basketcase neoliberal hellhole these heebs forced on us where decent stable jobs are now a rarity for the majority of the populations

>>512196828
restrict*

>>512196793
Zero percent, when immigrants get free buses, free houses, free money, better treatment by the state than the local population. You are fucking retarded cattle. Enjoy being stolen from.

>>512196715
35% of Israel is non Jewish, anon

>>512196863
European countries are still vastly superior to 3rd world shithole kleptocracies even without gibs. Insufficient.

>>512196828
Ok and i should enslave you too then, since you don't actually give a shit about freedom and i'm not a retard.

>>512196808
Based! Hopefully you starve first. At least you won't be in the camps.

>>512196976
>Ok and i should enslave you too
Might makes right then? Thanks for confirming the basic truth of fascism.

>>512193089 (OP)
Oh no. Guess I'm a collectivist. Anyway. Close the border.

>>512197020
By not restricting immigration, the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it abundant resulting in deflated labor costs.

>>512193089 (OP)
When there is no counterbalance in the form of freedom of association, then the system turns to shit just like right now.
In a sane system you'd be able to blackball the jeets and other undesirables and make them leave.

>>512196863
Whatever man if you don't care about freedom then prepare to be a slave, it's your right to live that way. And it's my right to defend myself from you.

>>512196972
>Insufficient
yeah, i worry that it might not be enough.
but if the government is not giving them the teat then they will inevitably cause a huge number of social and economic problems which may force it into taking harsher measure to actually deal with the problem

>>512197068
Actually, giving people an incentive to immigrate is direct government intervention in the labor supply, which could be stopped tomorrow.

>>512197062
Libertarians are just as retarded as communists when it comes to viewing everything through the lens of a ideology. They equally just say that ideology is settled science and move on.

>>512197089
you do you nigga

>>512197021
Nope, once you try to infringe on my right to not have force or fraud initiated on me you lose your right to not have force or fraud initiated on you, we call that self defence.

>>512197200
based

>>512197179
>ackshully
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>512193089 (OP)
Milton Friedman's ideas are why the world is the way it is. Utterly disintegrated trust and goodwill, but made a lot of money doing it.

>>512193089 (OP)
i dont support free market then, kike. call me whatever. say im whatever.
no more illegal invaders.

>>512197282
Don't you like being corrected midwit?

>>512193581
> t. Der Juden

>>512197068
>resulting in deflated labor costs.
they also set a national minimum wage. square that one...

>>512193089 (OP)
Government FOR the people. Not corpos or shitskins. Free market is a 1970s fever dream.

>>512197283
Friedman was in favor of legalizing all drugs, for economic reasons as well as moral reasons.
Nobody with the power to affect anything listened to him on that.

>>512197179
Concession accepted
>>512197234
>you lose your right
You and who's army will restrict that right? Concession accepted.

>foreign labor is apart of a nation's labor supply
No, they're more like an invasive species with profoundly negative effects upon the native eco system.
Libertarians and free market economists have the most titanically stupid takes.

>>512193089 (OP)
That's EXACTLY why I'm anti-immigration.
ALL economic progress in history is due to LABOUR SHORTAGES. Only when labour is scarce is there an incentive to make more efficient production methods. This can be done either via new organizational structures or with new technology (machines and automation). Remember; The Black death basically ended feudalism in Europe as serfs became scarce (and thus valuable) instead of disposable overnight. Labour shortage = The BEST thing that can happen to your country economically, societally and politically. It's something to strive for.

>>512193089 (OP)
>Inflated labor costs
So, higher wages

>>512193089 (OP)
In US the average wage in 1920 was over $175,000 in 2025 dollars. The average wage today is $40,000.

You really think the wage is inflated you jewish nigger. Fucking
>JIGGER

>>512197414
>they also set a national minimum wage.
Inflated supply still creates downward pressure on costs ie wages. Basic economics.
Government dictats would not be demanded/required without this artificially imposed pressure

>>512193089 (OP)
So I can go to Africa and open a farm?

>>512197509
Based Finn spitting facts.

>>512197442
>Government FOR the people.
And they call Libertarians ideologues, kek.
>>512197452
It's not a concession, I would happily allow 99.9% closed borders if the welfare state was abolished too, but fascists don't like compromise because they are by and large scum.
>You and who's army will restrict that right? Concession accepted.
If you attempt to initiate violence on me i will destroy your lanklet frame with a single punch. Also private security and private citizens patrols etc.

Lolbergs will always be anti-White.

>>512193667
Friedman was an idiot. Welfare States are caused by Free Trade and Open immigration. Free Trade and Open Borders are the same policy. They are literal cuckoldry. Women demand "free trade" because they want access to the wealth the men of foreign tribe produce because they are unhappy with their own men. Once the men cuck and open access to foreign male produced goods then women demand that we bring in those superior and more productive males. Lolbertarian Men then cuck and are then Pakistani gangs are running around London rape every British girl in sight. That's the reality of British Free Trade and Cuckoldtarianism promoted by Jews like Milton Friedman which pretend that all men are interchangeable cogs because they are too Jews because Jews fundamentally have a female parasitic mindset. The Welfare States arise because female brain wants to extend their care instinct to foreigners because women's don't see tribe they see simps.
There's literally no difference between promoting "Free Trade" and mass immigration and posting Blacked.com porn or just trooning out.
You CANNOT freely trade or allow "free movement of labor" with Civilizational rivals. It is suicide and immoral to extend the moral graces that belong to your kin to people who are your enemy. When you exchanging with a rival you MUST be strategic and think collectively because because you ARE part of collective civilization project and THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL MORALITY and therefore NO UNIVERSAL economics. because value is subjective BUT limited to a your Civilizational frame. You cannot have true reciprocity with people who do not share that frame and can be antagonistic to it.

>>512197509
The government printed 2 trillion dollars, if you can't admit that destroys the economy along with the immigration accelerated by the welfare state you're just a liar.

>>512197694
>fascists don't like compromise because they are by and large scum.
Ad hom fallacy. You lose.
>i will destroy your lanklet frame with a single punch
Ergo might makes right. Thanks for confirming the basic truth of fascism again anon.

>>512193089 (OP)
Yes.

>>512196715
he's one of the good ones, gentilized and based/redpilled >>512194832

>>512197827
I gave you my argument before the ad-hom and you just ignored it, moron.
>Ergo might makes right. Thanks for confirming the basic truth of fascism again anon.
Bro you are quite literally a midwit, do you think you are a genius for saying power exists in the world? There is no meaning to pure power in and of itself, there are other things in life like morality, intellect, spirit, you autist.

>>512197575
and yet wages have been rising the last few years in spite of record immigration numbers into our country
economics is utter garbage and people like you who resort to its postulates act as if it has any actual verity as a predictive tool yet it hasnt predicted anything that has happened in the last 100 years let alone the two biggest financial crises during that time
i bet youll have some tedious economic bromide to roll out to explain it so go right ahead, im off to do something useful with my day

>>512198005
>I gave you my argument before the ad-hom
You presented an assertion of preference - not an argument.
>do you think you are a genius for saying power exists in the world?
No. I think you are an idiot for failing to recognize it.
>there are other things in life like morality, intellect, spirit
Correct. All of these things ( and force ) are more important than your precious markets and widget factories. Concession accepted.

>>512197807
They printed 2 trillion to increase the purchasing power for the immigrant they brought into the economy BECAUSE businesses wanted "cheap labor." The "cheap labor" is really substitute for missing demand because Lolbertarian policies result in UNDER payment of employees which crashes domestic demand and thus businesses needed new customers imported BECAUSE they were taught the cheapest labor is the best when in reality they are destroying future the future demand needed to maintain profits. Immigration and "cheap labor" is a business bailout financed by endless "printing" BECAUSE the lolbertarian idea that you should gain efficiency by wage suppression. You don't EVER gain real efficiency from wage suppression aka Jewing your Goy workforce. You can ONLY gain by ACTUALLY being inventive and creating new capital to made existing workers productive. But creative invention is an Aryan thing and Jewish Lolberts will never understand that profits actual creativity not creative accounting and Jewing the goy workers.

>>512198107
>and yet wages have been rising the last few years
Not in real terms. Wages have been falling since 1971 with the exception of the top 1% or thereabouts
Asset price inflation is also out of control eg housing costs
>economics is utter garbage
The dismal science frequently can be garbage

>>512198399
Immigrants don't benefit from the dollars they earn being worth less.
And BTW inflation is very much the opposite of a libertarian policy. Friedman often talked about how terrible inflation was, if you know anything about him I'm surprised you don't know this.

>>512193089 (OP)
He's right for the time that he lived in when more labour was needed. But now we have an oversupply of labour.

>>512198857
>when more labour was needed.
Needed for what?

>>512193089 (OP)
Ah yes, a nation wrecking jew.

>>512199008
It was still the industrial age you dumb zoomer. Industry needs labour.

>>512198648
libertarians are full of shit. They scream the loudest because of inflation but its their ideology and policies that makes the inflation necessary. A conservative policy does not require any inflation at all. national socialism doesn't need inflation either.

>>512194650
It doesn’t work regardless and anyone suggesting it should be hanged as a gate opening traitor.

>>512193089 (OP)
>free market
>without border
>owning property without having a border on that property
ywnbaw

Immigration is an act of aggression. Without the government intervening, locals would just kill immigrants. The government intervenes to allow immigration and protect immigrants to drive down the supply of labour.

Immigration should require the unanimous consent of every citizen of the country for each immigrant, otherwise it violates the NAP.

>>512199446
>its their ideology and policies that makes the inflation necessary
How do you figure?
Which libertarian policies refute the libertarian policy that inflation must stop?

>>512199357
>It was still the industrial age you dumb zoomer.
Is this now NOT the industrial age?
>Industry needs labour.
Woah no way! You misspelled "industrialist" and "want" and left out "cheap"
Industrialists want cheap labour
Simple as Bruce you braindead abo shagging roo wrangling cunt

>>512193089 (OP)
Cheap labor destroys civilizations.

>>512193089 (OP)
I’m a collectivist, yes.

>>512198005
You got btfo lmao you’re retarded. Imagine being enough of a dumbass to still subscribe to lolbertarianism in this day and age. You’re dumber than socialists

>>512193089 (OP)
There is nothing “unconditional” about this. We are being forced to accept our total and complete extermination as a people under the threat of being thrown in jail for speaking out against it.

The intelligence agencies are literally gang stalking and hitting people with chemical, biological and electromagnetic weapons for simply being SUSPECTED of opposing this. You are not free to oppose this, the government is mandated to support this because every single politician is blackmailed and almost all are blackmailed with video proof that they rape children.

We cannot oppose our own genocide because our country is run by pedophiles who are blackmailed into enforcing mass immigration and hate speech laws. We are an occupied people living under the tyranny of child rapists who are bonded by their hatred of Christianity and white people.

>>512193089 (OP)
>artificially making it scarce
>Not letting random cunts in is making labour 'scarce'.

>>512194401
>If you have foreign immigration, the only way to ensure they'll be productive is to not give them any gibs.
That's kinda how it works with illegal migrants.

>>512193089 (OP)
or maybe we just deport all of the illegal aliens and kick the green card holders off of public assistance and make them do the jobs they came here to do

>>512193518
They are good hard workers, but for some reason their country is a shithole.

>>512193089 (OP)
The economy serves the country not the other way around.

>>512199675
>Is this now NOT the industrial age?
No, we're now in the information age. That's why youtubers are making millions while factory workers can't find a job. China is in the industrial age, most first world countries are not industrial anymore.

>>512193921
>Pakistani rape gangs
holy shit england made it real. on star trek Tasha describes where she grew up and how rape gangs wondered around

>>512200585
>No, we're now in the information age.
Uhuh I see. Does that mean industry and industrial workers no longer exist? No. No it doesnt retard.
>while factory workers can't find a job
There are more factory workers now than any other time in history retard - including the 70s. You're a moron Bruce.
>China is in the industrial age, most first world countries are not industrial anymore.
Abstraction and ultimately meaningless.

>>512194615
> jews are the West
No.

>>512193089 (OP)
This is why i support open borders for israel

>>512201056
>Does that mean industry and industrial workers no longer exist? No. No it doesnt retard.
Some industry exists, but >>512198857
It's basic supply and demand. Which you don't seem to comprehend, probably because you need to go back.

>>512196683
Freedom to do what.

>>512199626
Open borders....? Governments bailing out the markets?

>>512201173
>Some industry exists
Huge amounts of industry exists - more than EVER nigger. The fact it's moved to China doesnt change that fact.
>It's basic supply and demand. Which you don't seem to comprehend
The irony
>you need to go back.
You need to stay right there you convict untermensch

>>512194906
Faggot

>>512193089 (OP)
He's right and if everyone was just a unit of labor, then that argument would totally make sense

>>512193089 (OP)
I was an individualist in highschool. While its good to strive for self sufficiency, i quickly realized those who collect will always have a significant advantage over those who do not. Jews always use this to their advantage. They push individualism while practicing collectivism so that a population is easier to control and extract resources from. Immigration of non whites into white nations plays heavily into this. If you look into amazon's studies of diversity in the workplace you will see that diversity is an amazing defense against unionization. Extrapolate this to a country and you will see why browns are flooded into white countries by kikes. Individualists such as yourself allow for the ethnic destruction of our countries for money.
It is always better to choose to help your brother, and treat your race as family. Remember that 1 spaghett break, many spaghett no break.

>>512200585
>China is in the industrial age, most first world countries are not industrial anymore.
Because they moved their industries to China.
Not because industries are useless.

>>512193089 (OP)
>Anti-immigration is anti-free market
YES, HOLY SHIT, YES. You lolberts are STUPID

>>512202609
>>512201322
Iron is also useful, but we're not in the fucking iron age. Stones are still used, but we're not in the stone age. You two are stone age retards though, you're only good for smashing rocks judging by your fucking replies.

>>512193089 (OP)
>Anti-immigration is anti-free market.
nonsense
you're arguing for zero policy "free" market.

you are allowed to kill your competition?
you are allowed to steal from your competition?

if the answer to the above is no, than you are not in "truly free market"

>>512203552
Thanks for confirming what a fucking subtard you are Bruce.

>>512203552
>Iron is also useful, but we're not in the fucking iron age. Stones are still used, but we're not in the stone age.
What a completely irrelevant non sequitor.

>>512195250
> zero (you)s
either you are a brainlet
or the whole of /pol/ is
simply great, is it not?

>>512194316
You are a jeet

>>512193089 (OP)
Free market is codename for jewry.

>>512194453
>we must have infinite immigration, diminished wages, perpetually rising housing costs, and soaring food prices to own the shitlibs!
Trump is no better than Biden if he keeps flooding us with infinite jeets to keep wages low, and unionization before mass jew infiltration was part of what made the US an economic powerhouse while maintaining a high standard of living. Neolibs and neocons are both uniparty cum-swilling faggots who advocate for corpo-communism. Reagan and Obama both serviced the same masters.

>>512204151
If everything made by jews is wrong, like vaccination or libertarianism, does that mean the Christianity is wrong too?

>>512193089 (OP)
>Anti-immigration is anti-free market
Good. Even Adam Smith suggested that there should be limits on free market capitalism, the biggest example being industries vital to national security.

>>512204322
Yes, religion is for fools. There's only philosophy and blood and soil

Whites are waking up. Despite their subverted governments suppressing them in the news and social media.
I think us Indian men will be absolutely destroyed in a race war. We cannot afford to live in the West any longer. It's time to go back home and avoid the incoming violence that's about to happen in the West against brown people.

I'm booking my ticket this month.

>>512204322
Yes, yes it is. Daily reminder if Christians are right than your Jew God is torturing the vast majority of your ancestors in hell for all eternity.

>>512193089 (OP)
Yes, and?

>>512193089 (OP)
immigrants work in duress. having a caste system of legals, illegals, and work visas is not capitalistic as it enormously skews the market and labour conditions. milton is a hammer that sees everything as a nail.

>>512204378
I respect your consistency.
̶A̶s̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶e̶l̶b̶o̶w̶s̶.̶ Blood and soil.

>>512204439
Truth.
Fuck Yahweh and fuck every single race traitor, including all of my christian ancestors.

>>512204322
Christianity was made by Greeks and it predates the talmudic cult.

>>512203775
>>512204023
It's always obvious which ones need to go back. There aren't any downvotes here, fuck off back to your chinese containment hole.

>>512205001
Really?
Based Yoshuon ben Davidocles.

>>512193089 (OP)

I support re-opening Auschwitz and sending you there.

>>512193089 (OP)

>>512205020
>but muh chicoms
Lol. Lmao. Ok Shlomo.

>>512193089 (OP)
Number must go up regardless of cost. Am I right?

>>512198648
They kind of do, though, when they don't have to worry about paying taxes/food/housing/transportation/healthcare. Why give a fuck about how much your money is really worth when you get paid just for being alive and everything you earn is just gravy you can send back to your home country? Why would a corporation hire a US citizen for $15/hr+benefits when you can hire a spic for $5/hr with a fine that ultimately end up with them costing $10/hr and you don't have to give them any benefits?

>>512203566
Less normies speak, how can you have a free market, if you allow equal access to both externally good faith and well as bad faith actors with the same gusto? Especially when some of said bad faith actors have a massive size advantage and willingness to disregard your own internal rules aside from pretending to follow them?


Auto manufactures now will experience the latter stage of the insourcing strategy of "attract, copy, entrap, kill" to some markets they outsourced too. Too bad the only ones who will really feel it are bag holders as the ones who did the move are probably retired or dead.

>>512193089 (OP)
retarded take, just because they don't get a check every week doesn't mean they are not a drain on society.
>they do jobs people are unwilling to do
only unwilling for the offered compensation, if toilet cleaners made $100/hr the job would get done.
if you want slaves then call them slaves and give them the rights of slaves, fucking faggot kike.

This is just an argument for slavery. Slavery that reduces marginal cost doesn't seem like a stable economic arrangement.

>>512208242
you might be running in a circle.

the point is there's always a silent assumption WRT the free market, which is: there are always polices, and policy makers.

any deficiency that might exist in the policy require a policy correction from the policy makers. if the policy makers themselves are benefiting from deficiencies in the policy, than there is no incentive to correct the policy.

hence the "running in a circle".

any non-naive advocator of free market is aware of this.

>>512194832
i love how the obviously anti-libertarian intent of the first two posts including the ayn rand's real name filename weren't enough for retards itt to get you were joking so you have to spell it out increasingly obviously.

>>512200228
>That's kinda how it works with illegal migrants.
Which proves that the illegal immigration is not the main issue, but a symptom of the gib system.

>>512193089 (OP)
When the jewish occupied central banking system intervene in neighbouring countries and artificially lower the exchange rate of the developing nations, they creating the conditions for economic migrants.

Take the flow of South Americans to US, they devalue their currency which they control and it creates the slave labour they need to displace you from your own homes, just like they are doing in Gaza.

This is the same practice the Jews engaged in in the UK, France, Canada and Australia.
They created the conditions for slave labour and then argue for free markets, while they never disclose their claw like hands and hooked noses all over the leavers of the economy creating the economic migrant issues they claim is racist to reject.

Its the fucking jews, its always been the fucking jews.

>>512209955
You're missing the loop here
>corporations "donate"(read: bribe, but its legal somehow) to politicians to change policy to reduce corporate costs to maintain the infinite growth model
>politicians make immigration easier, provide gibs funded by the public, allow corpos to move production overseas
>immigrants give blue states more political power in the US via inflating population numbers
>repeat step 1
The gibs, the illegals, they're both a symptom of systemic corruption that benefits the political and CEO class at the expense of the native worker. The exact same shit is what ultimately caused the collapse of Rome, by replacing paid workers with slaves.

>>512193089 (OP)
I agree. Its time to get rid of the border. In fact I propose giving citizenship to every human on earth.

just don't have a country at all, goyim. be like us in israel where we have no borders at all. that is in your best interest otherwise you are not for free markets which allow us to enslave you and castrate you while we rape your daughter in front of you because we are free to do whatever with our property (i.e. you).

you will live in an economic trading zone that used to be a country, we will live in a country for jews only, and you will own nothing and be happy.

now why don't you go vote for other candidate next time to fix the issue? your country must only be foreign strangers. our country must only be for us and us alone. somehow these arguments don't apply to OUR country - t jew israeli jew von babypenissucker

>>512209191
> free market means it's regulated
and then, one day, for no reason whatsoever, people started to shout "regulate Palestine"
Kek

>memeflag is pro-immigration
well slap my ass and call me surprised
now there's a plot twist! wow
put me in the screencrap of this breakthrough thread

pajeets hide behind free memeflags instead of expensive vpn because they are saving money for scam credentials to migrate to their chosen host organism/nation. they have to conceal their identity which is synonymous with that agenda, or else they are simply ignored as the spam they are

>>512211002

how speaking of immigration, how are we all enjoying the massive immigration of pajeets to 4chan in recent years?

pajeets lost indiachan in the spring of 2023 because it drew unwanted attention as a cp swap meet. they have since replaced it with bharatchan, but former indiachan enjoyers don't find enough of what they want there

pajeets disregard bharatchan and flock here instead because on bharatchan there is no opportunity for western attention. nobody cares what they do until they come begging for acknowledgment outside their rightful spaces. still many of them insist they are like (You) and cannot be convinced otherwise

>>512194401
what kind of fake pollack map is that, you nigger

>>512211173
the pajeet kind

>>512193089 (OP)
Well yeah, imagine an individual so contradictory that with one hand wants travel restrictions while he schedule his vacations on fiji

Giving them every problem and as little money as he can spare

pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

you can start adjusting your life in the knowledge that your country (every country) will soon be immersed in the same crab bucket of stifling cheapness, dishonesty and low trust that all these immigrants left behind. start caring now and you may not be overwhelmed later.
remember their population is maliciously under-reported. sheer numbers are the entire foundation of their "strategy" and they have enough undocumented surplus bodies to match/neutralize the populations of all western countries (democracies) with globohomo agenda foot soldiers

>>512193468
ummm TKD & TND? wait what?

>>512193089 (OP)
>Anti-immigration is anti-free market. If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're not an individualist, but a collectivist.
Yes, that’s right. And?

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

>Anti immigration is anti free market
Yes. I am pro human, not pro market. If the economy runs counter to our needs why should I care? It is a machine that exists to pump out goods and services, it's not my God. God is my God.

By opening the borders, government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it plentiful resulting in low wages.

Pro-immigration is anti-free market. If you support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're not a meritocrat, but a slaver.

>>512209191
You went for the higher end, while my example was purely private actors pretending to or truly believing same rules apply in another civilization and most of them having sold of said position to other people fooled by said confidence.

The rulers making rules that benefit them at the detriment of the country is a historical refrain since forever and due to human nature we will not get rid of it, and this far we have not managed to make systems that can withstand said pressure for more than a few generations.

All governments of civilizations regardless of system centralised and consolidated their own power, and as a rule were considerably less capable than private enterprises if not completely incapable, when it comes to economics. But at the same time economics can not take primacy over survival.

But yeah free market absolute arguments are science fiction arguments when the largest economies have somewhere around 40 to 60 % of the total economy being state investment with its own politically motivated requirements, which is de facto state business endeavour in practice, with outsourced ownership.

There is a good reason why traitors must be shit first, or why even when losing you should still try to.

>>512211666 <---
this is an ambiguous blasphemy situation
is there a theologian in the house
no i don't mean pajeets i mean descendants of western civilization

if a brownoid who doesnt speak any english and has no education can do your job better than you you have no right to complain

>>512211855
Matthew 6:24

>>512211965
Better? No. For subhuman hours and pay? Yes.

>>512211666
>>512211855
Simple. The stock market is not the economy. It is just the stock market.

It is a sizable portion of it, but one can see that there are only 4 profitable companies in all of the S&P 500. 4 out of 500. And they are not being profitable because of extra income but by stock price increase and fiscalization.

Meaning OP is as usually extremely gay since reality contradicts ideological sophistry.

All that can be most probably explained with the majority of inflated money supply being funneled therefore the ratio al explanation is a nice backroom guaranteed grift from government propped up tech bubble, that might only deflate on 5 years at most ( eye balling governmental inertia and all that.)

>>512211756
>All governments of civilizations regardless of system centralised and consolidated their own power, and as a rule were considerably less capable than private enterprises if not completely incapable,

What the fuck are you talking about? We tried deregulation and muh invisible hand from the 70s onward and we all had our collective lunches eaten by a country willing to intervene in the market.

Markets are only efficient at delivering profits, which is not the same thing as delivering value. Quarterly share buybacks are objectively an inefficiency structural to the market

>>512212336
The stock market is part of the economy, what reason do you have to externalize it? This is like saying "my house is fine, just because there is a fire in one of the bedrooms doesn't mean it's on fire. My house is ideally not on fire and I disagree with that part.". The nature of profit accumulation is that finance will seek profits whether or not they generate value

>>512212012
these illegals work in the service industry and construction, what kind of hours do you think they work at? what does appropriate pay look like to you for a person who only has to do manual labor and doesnt need to communicate?

>>512193089 (OP)
We should aim to make Israel the free-est market on the world bar none. I'm talking about 2 billion of illegal immigrants per year. Imagine the labor costs!

>>512213141
In Florida where basically all construction is illegals average wage is like $15-17/hr. Base pay in my union (Midwest, commercial electrician )is $55/hr plus a shitload of bennies

>>512212972
>What the fuck are you talking about? We tried deregulation and muh invisible hand from the 70s onward and we all had our collective lunches eaten by a country willing to intervene in the market.

That was a deliberate geopolitical decision and one of the reason I complained about that being a bad economic decision. Blame Kissingers China detante for that one.

>Markets are only efficient at delivering profits, which is not the same thing as delivering value. Quarterly share buybacks are objectively an inefficiency structural to the market

>The stock market is part of the economy, what reason do you have to externalize it?

The stock market is not the totality of the economy. I would put forward that ownership dilution and consolidation under a steward by default leads to the same behaviour as government where they prioritize their own benefit and as long as the detriment to the large mass of minor shareholders can be legally argued away as still a technical win.

I have seen a number of figures of businesses run as described facto family businesses at a medium to large scale where they can have multi decades consistent 10-15-20% profits, beating out most others majority shares stewardship concerns.

Thus my point that the stock market is not the whole of the ecconomy, and if the performance of the stock market is detrimental to the rest of the ecconomy and population, treatment or amputation might be in order, to prevent consistent worsening of the situation where the stock market can influence the political to bail itself out and offset their loss on others instead of learning the correction of malinvestment.

Arguing for *stock* market as it is *the* market in totality when it consistently fucks the rest over is bad faith. Correction can only be postponed so much, and we are due a correction not allowed to happen almost two decades ago.

>>512194401
>you either work or starve to death

>>512213141
>what does appropriate pay look like to you
Whatever rate the market sets when it’s not being depressed by third-world labor

>>512193089 (OP)
Nice, just one small fix. Ethno-Libertarianism is the way.

>>512216060
did you even watch the video, you retarded fuck?

>>512208242
>normies
your country is rated as junk and the only thing holding you together is mass surveillance and crime so your value judgements are not worth much
>how can you have a free market, if you allow equal access to both externally good faith and well as bad faith actors
right about everyone on this board explained to you that it is indeed not allowed to mix good and bad actors
>Friendman didn't support monopolies
>Smith said that the stock market (speculative trading) leads to economies of surplus that will favor capital accumulation instead of progress
there are anti-trust laws and anti-monopoly laws in effect to eliminate the bad actors but just because you're an oligarchy where everything is arranged and you have zero partisanship or polarization doesn't mean it does not work out for anyone else
>specially when some of said bad faith actors have a massive size advantage and willingness to disregard [...]
well sure, that's why lots of people do not want Russia to be part of the European Union
>complaining that you've gone full circle and ended up a communist surveillance state and your conclusion from that is that capitalism doesn't work even though you did not establish any preconditions for any capitalism to exist while constantly intefering in the market
you
>Why would a corporation hire a US citizen for $15/hr+benefits when you can hire a spic for $5/hr with a fine that
muh 50 cents more meme
capitalism does account for poor decisions and if you're going to fire very competent workers in order to hire low-skill labor in order to reduce the costs of work, then your company will more than likely take a deep dive and start losing value quickly
>t. Tesla being one of the best rated companies whose stock plummeted this year
who would have thought, hmm, you definitely would not have with your current reasoning
Romania also obliterated its middle class as part of Sovietism and you ended up with a criminal country, again, for me it was foreseeable

>>512215030
>That was a deliberate geopolitical decision and one of the reason I complained about that being a bad economic decision. Blame Kissingers China detante for that one.

Without the sino Soviet split there was a serious danger of the USSR winning the Cold war or at least achieving peace with the west. Secondly political economy. Geopolitical decisions are either made or strongly influenced by market factors. The market is and always has been in the driver's seat.

>tl;Dr there are things that aren't the stock market
Sure. But the reality is the stock market is historically a natural product of the economy and you can't ignore that without basically being a Soviet apologist a la "that wasn't real communism"

>>512216871
>>512208242
it's like that Moldavian meme with the village rapist where someone mentions on 4chan "village rapist" so apparently they have some individual in their village that goes around raping women and for whatever reason the police do not do anything about it
from that though, you draw the conclusion that the law does not work because it is controlled by the Jews, lol
like, I have no words, at that degree of self-delusion, I'm not even sure I should correct you, might be more enjoyable to watch it play out...

>>512193089 (OP)
Immigration isn't people walking into any country they want, Immigration is a legal process that involves said individual applying for residency in another country. None of the people you are referring to are "immigrants".

>>512194316
Still taking notes from a coke head whore?
NGMI

>>512200405
This.

>>512216871
>>512217368
we are either having some miscommunication or you are deliberate.
1. Rethoric inquiry taken at face value.
2. Theory vs Practice.
3. I recall both France and Germany being in favour of a European from Lisbon to Vladivostok just 10 years ago, the French still selling weapons to the Russians until they fucked with their totally not colonial holdings and just a few months the Spanish selling the Russians an artillery cannon barrel forge via Hong Kong without which they might have faced artillery shortage...
4. Chinks selling totally not Tesla at 1/4th the cost as a consequence of the Chinese Tesla factory.
5. Just because your people apply makeup to their glowie regime does not mean. You don't also live in one , once you fuck off.


Please stop glowing so hard.

>>512217120
>Sure. But the reality is the stock market is historically a natural product of the economy and you can't ignore that without basically being a Soviet apologist a la "that wasn't real communism"

Not ignoring it. I am calling that it must face the much too delayed correction from over two decades of delaying that and the two instances of massive bailouts. The consequences of malinvestment have been socialized and those performing it face no consequences. One way or another that will happen, as the longer the delay the greater the corrections impact. Eventually of you do not allow it to happen people will be pushed to the point that amputation thereof is preferable to be continuously being legally thieved.

>>512195591
I'm actually feeling a degree of saturation with this trope that it's some economically rational decision to hire chep labor to lower the costs
economic decisions like this are a sliding window where the only rule is that you can't have it all but you can slide from one side to the other side and back
companies like Apple, for example, have always practiced a "higher quality, less sales" policy where they do not bend to market whims but rather go the other way by firing low quality labor (they even shut down their Indian branch because their products made in India had a higher than usual production error rate)
German cars are another example where Germany practiced some form of sobre gentlemanship with their products by not cutting down every single marginal cost and for a while they were very prestigious
it doesn't mean that it's wrong to do it the other way, you can hire cheap labor and flood the market with cheaper products and in case you get a much higher error rate you simply hope to mitigate that with your overall sales rate, which is a model that China has adopted
the problem is that boon-and-bust cycles have generated a lot of mini-oligarchs that have either inherited their wealth or became rich over night due to a speculative market and these individuals see themselves with a lot of economic surplus and are self-deluded that they're also great businessmen, managers or even going as far as thiking they're "global leaders" but with zero experience
this is the "gig economy" where instead of acting rational, you hedge your bets against your own self, with examples up to the market crash where lots of "businesses" destroyed their own selves for the sake of government handouts and subsidies that enriched some of their leadership
>tl;dr
lower your standards, sell more but less expnsive
raise your standards, sell less but more expensive
should all in all lead to the same results but through different means

>>512219223
>Rethoric inquiry
???
>Theory vs Practice.
????
>I recall both France and Germany being in favour of a European from Lisbon to Vladivostok
oh some are, but not everyone, while you might be right, you're also wrong
>Chinks selling totally not Tesla at 1/4th the cost as a consequence of the Chinese Tesla factory.
again, I don't understand what you mean, Musk was a big millitant of H1B and flooded his company with third-world labor and also was pretty brash about lauding Chinese for working overtime (even though, that's illegal and should not be the norm)
I really do think that his losses are partially due to his deicissions and as well as his "political activism" that did not seem to take off
>Chinks selling
are you seriously going to blame "the Chinks" for Musk' losses?!
>Just because your people apply makeup to their glowie regime does not mean.
mean.... what? again, not sure what you're on about
I am thinking that you're one step away from total retardation and the thing is that "English" is not your problem because your sentences lack predicates which are required in any language
>Please stop glowing so hard.
anyone that does not agree with me must be an agent of the "opposing power"
as I even explained, both ways of doing business should reduce more or less to the same profit and I didn't make any value judgment >>512219676
>Mircea
stop being a brainwashed vatnik

>>512219676
oh yeah, Xiaomi is a good example of a Chinese company that "is moving up" and are not producing for masses but also now have "premium" prducts, so China has that too where you can pay more but you get a much better product