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Until 20 years ago you could easily have at least great 10 films produced every single year by Hollywood alone. For example, pic related film was released in 2003 and it never even got any Oscars or any big award yet it's objectively better and more entertaining than even any Oscar winning film in the last decade despite the fact that it's a 22 a year old film now.
>inb4 jews
Jews owned Hollywood since day 1. It must be something else.

>>512220628 (OP)
>It must be something else.
woke and "trans" "gender"

Anora was pretty good

>>512220628 (OP)
it is curious, my guess is it is full on blackrock pandering. They receive the money to push this shit and its more than what we can do. I mean these doods have so much fucking money, and it's rarely ever a loss, they give their money to known shabbos goys and jews, it's never a loss. If they get one goy to watch their slop its a win.

I remember starting that movie coldnt finish it it was awful

Interstellar was the last semi-decent movie made

movies, like the ones you see in theaters, are deliberately circus like spectacles. capeshit, branks, reboots etc. that's the only thing that will get normal people out of their comfy home cinema experience and into the theaters. the good news is that there is still is great movies and tv shows being made you just watch them at home now.

maybe all the good movies have been made? sounds like a dumb question but maybe it's right

>>512220628 (OP)
Blackrock and Statestreet fund holywood studious to produce propaganda.

Why make real art, and only have a 20% of hitting a billy. When you can make propaganda for statestreet and makena gauranteed 600 mill?

Thats the calculus studious are making right now. Its also why great artsists like scorcese spieljew and Dicraprio are not making kino right now. Studios only fund propaganda.

Its also why coppala spent 25 yesrs making Megalopolis and ehy Tom Cruise had to basically self fund Mavrerick and Mission Impossible. Because they made those movies outside the traditional funding mechanisms which now solely make propaganda

>>512220628 (OP)
everything is about generating numbers
hyper-capitalism means a company wont make a movie unless they can garuntee enormous profit
big fish wouldnt get made today because you cant market something like that to a new gen z audience and convince them to go to the theatre the first week and watch it (when movies make the most profit)

also everything is cgi now, no real stunts are special effects
the filming equipment is TOO good now, so DPs focus more on getting pretty instragram shots instead of using photography as a storytelling device

and the writing proccess has been watered down to save money
instead of a main writer working with a small team of writers to develop a fully cohesive story
you have hundreds of writers on a writing assembly line writing small parts to assemble a movie together instead of a few writers working together on an entire script

and now u got lazy directors just filming before the script is even finished and just rewriting it based on what the test audience wants

plus the new actors suck
old actors blocking all the good roles
no real gruesome violence anymore
political red tape on everything
too much thinking of the kids instead of making an awesome movie

culture is less unified, too many niches to please (back in the day everyone watched the same channels, the same movies, heard the same songs, so pop culture was a real thing instead of the internet created 1000000 niches for people to close themselves into)

also the switch to TV miniseries because fat americans will sit at home and watch the same series for years on end and sit through hours of commercials a day.

it's all been downhill since Inception. Inception was the last great movie where I was completely blown away at the movie theatre. Interstellar was aight. Get Out was coo. Barbie movie I fucked with. And that Elvis movie.

>>512221708
Lisa Frankenstein was pretty good.

>>512220628 (OP)
>Big Fish
That movie was the woke movie of its time. its dumb. The difference is that woke became too woke for you. every generation has its own version of woke.

>>512220628 (OP)
Unironically Harvey Weinstein went to jail. He may be a disgusting kike but he knew how to make good movies.

>>512220628 (OP)
Big Fish is your fucking example nigger?

>>512220628 (OP)
tl;dr

Jews - being cucks and pansy pushovers - let themselves be purged by women and swarthoids, after they themselves purged all straight White men.

Even investment funds like Blackrock, Blackstone, State Street, etc, are all increasingly run by women, swarthoids, trannies, and fags.

>>512223570
It's the example, in the sense that it was just a good film that wasn't even among the top movies of the year back then, and yet it's way better than what's getting the Oscars in recent years.

>>512223531
Films started getting shit since the mid 2000s yet it was a slow process, by 2015, Hollywood was completely dead.

>>512220628 (OP)
Studios realised audiences would lap anything up as long as it were marketed correctly so they didn’t bother making anything good. That mindset is still here nowadays, and it’s still very much true, just look at all the trash in streaming services.

You don't want to hear this, but Hollywood went to shit after this guy was arrested
Love him or hate him, this woke shit wasn't happening under his watch

>>512220628 (OP)
>>512221190
>>512222452
>>512223570

This was the list of movies playing in June 2001

>>512223570
It's a good movie?

>>512221708
Sperg fantasy

>>512223262
Everything Everywhere All At Once

>>512220628 (OP)
everything is catered toward women now so it's all shit

>>512223975
>Swordfish
Such an entertaining film

>>512220628 (OP)
"Digital" happened.

>>512221708
It was ok until the pants on head retarded last act.

>>512223849
Hollywood has been woke since the 50s, retard.

Avengers endgame was the last blockbuster, then covid came and killed the cinema. Why bother going when the flick will be out in a month or less due to >>512224572 ?

>>512220628 (OP)
Expensive ass cgi and moviestar paychecks have made movies much more expensive to make

So they just try do sequels/slops for maximum safety of likely returns

>>512222452
Yep. Jackson had to leave Hollywood to make LOTR way back in the 1990s, it was pozzed then but it's way more pozzed now. CIA had input on over 4000 films we learned a while back. Spy kids lol.

>>512220628 (OP)
Just make your own movies, you lazy nigger. Everyone has a 4K camera and an Internet connection, why are you waiting around for jews to entertain you?

>>512225879
No one has marketing and distribution.

>>512220628 (OP)
You should investigate and let us know. Study what happened in the years before and after they stopped making the movies you're describing. Look for changes in staffing and leadership at the studios. Look for differences between the college graduates around those years, and the graduates before then. Or just blame the Jews and you'll be equally correct.

>>512226002
Quality is its own marketing and distribution. If it isn't good it isn't good. If it's good it sells itself in the long term, because we gravitate toward the good, and we're seekers.

>>512224959
you are such a faggot i swear to god

>>512226330
There's too much competition anyways.

>>512227096
That isn't an argument as I'm not a omnisexual degenerate zoomer like you. Into the void you go for you think about your terrible life choice(s).

>>512220628 (OP)
tim burton is part of the reason we are where we are

>>512228312
I know. Pee-Wee's Big Adventure is a well-produced movie.

>>512227096
>>512224959
The new fantastic 4 isn't bad.... it really isn't. If you just ignore the fact that they changed the silver surfer into a woman

>>512228439
I'm just glad they're not making Reed Richards the focal hero in Secret Wars.

In 2007-2008 you had the writers strike. The solution to this was to fire everybody and start hiring young inexperienced people out of college on short contracts.
In the past people worked in the business for years and developed original projects and became directors and producers.
Now no one stays long enough to learn anything before being replaced and everyone is aged 21.
Also Obama ammended the Smith-Mundt Act in 2012 which allowed or rather made it easier for the government to launch propaganda campaigns against the US population.
The result is media that is not only bad but full of glownigger bullshit.

>>512220628 (OP)
>>512220628 (OP)
Summer of 1985

>>512228439
>more superhero slop of no real consequence
the retro artstyle was refreshing, everything else was shit and it still requires a bunch of foreknowledge before going into it

>>512220628 (OP)
You think film quality hasn’t gone down? Here is a non exhaustive list of movies released in 1994. Just 1994.
>Shawshank Redemption
>Pulp Fiction
>Forrest Gump
>Leon The Professional
>The Lion King
>Speed
>Dumb and Dumber
>The Mask
>Stargate
>True Lies
>Interview with the Vampire
>Ace Ventura
>The Crow
>Natural Born Killers
>Clerks
>Clear and Present Danger
>The River Wild
Any of these movies holds up today, and they were all released in the same fucking year. Meanwhile we are lucky to get one DECENT film in the past decade.

>>512220628 (OP)
Obsolete social engineering.
There's more efficient techniques.

>>512222122
Wrong. I have lots of scifi and detective noir ideas that haven't been done in literature or film. Hollywood simply isn't hiring writers unless you're in the tribe.

>>512229035
Now that’s a good list of summer movies. Zoomer faggots will never know what they lost

>>512229857
These movies were all released in 1999 alone.
>Fight Club
>The Matrix
>American Beauty
>The Green Mile
>Magnolia
>Eyes Wide Shut
>Toy Story 2
>The Insider
> The Sixth Sense
>Notting Hill
>Tarzan
>Office Space
>Three Kings
>Being John Malkovich

>>512225068
Oof, did you see the Gozilla Japanese vs (((Hollywood))) film budget? Japanese people can't act, but their film cost 1/10000th of the American version and was full of soul.
>>512226002
(((Advertising))) is strangely also dominated by a small tribe of humanoids.

>>512221023
The movie sucked ass.

>>512220628 (OP)
I have a theory the military started taking over domestic propaganda in the 2010s. That's why it's so unrelenting and lacking understanding of the human element.

>>512220628 (OP)
Lmao women didnt even look like shit back then

The new generation came and Hollywood decided the writers need to force politics down people's throats more aggressively than usual. I've been watching a lot of films from the early 2000s and they're great. Graphics hold up and there are a lot of interesting unique stories and characters. I was watching something a little more currently recently and it was going fine and then randomly some character said "that's because you're a straight white male". Personally I think they're programming the new gen to be more palatable to mass immigration. Blacks, jeets and chinks get their own TV shows but an all white cast is a no no these days.

>>512230200
1986 movies

>>512221320
It seemed way too pretentious and up its own ass. Also was boring as fuck.

>>512220628 (OP)
jews got more bold, they became ready to destroy the west and openly declared the culture war

>>512221023
This but I hated the jew yorker accent

>>512229778
Thats why i liked it. I saw all the ff movies and this one was the best because it resembled the comic. The other ones were trying to modernize it. With of course the tiny 1 exception of the menstrating silver surfer.

>>512230253
In my professional opinion 1999 was the last year of good films.

>>512231874
>of good films
*of good life

>>512232238
Why? What happened? There was serious hype for the year 2000!

>>512232441
I am a 1993 boomer but I still vaguely remember the 1990s, it was better even here in my 3rd world shithole.

>>512220628 (OP)
Over-consolidation starting in the 90s and over-optimization. No risk-taking, everything has to be an established franchise.

>>512229035
I saw 4 of those at the cinema

>>512223977
I think I watched it in a tour bus once like 25 years ago.

>>512223975
>PEAL HARBOR

>>512220628 (OP)
I think that Americans moved from classic tales of loyalty, bravery, and temperance, to identity and moral relativism, which is why Hollywood lost its power to resonate internationally and to create movies that transcended. What do you think is?

Hollywood is their own propaganda machine and cranking out its virtue signaling bullshit, it also fucked itself up in the process by chasing away all real skill.
Now it's just full of feminist diversity retards.
I haven't seen a kikewood movie for years. I haven't even pirated games for years.
Any sensible globohomo planner would have left the circuses alone to distract people, but they wanted to punish the average man and here we are.
Their propaganda systems became unpalatable due to self inflicted harm.

>>512233352
Maybe people got tired of the same old tropes?

>>512221708
No, Joker was unironically.

>>512233535
Perhaps. And now the old tropes are marvel girl bosses, representation, and identity . Back then it was romantic comedies, macho flicks, anti communism, and cool negros.

>>512220628 (OP)
they’re just getting fucking lazy, man. they realised the majority of cattle people will actually still just watch low effort shit if they put enough advertising out for it. be it propoganda or not, it still gets views and return on investments.

>>512233428
>gaming
i’ve genuinely just been playing the same shit i was playing in 2013 when i was a teenager. the newest game i beat was cyberpunk

>>512233869
>macho flicks
To distract men with masculinity from using their masculinity to oppose the system
>anticommunism
To convince Americans their biggest enemy were the russians instead of the kikes
>cool negroes
To paint them in a completely different and unrealistic light compared them in real life committing horrific amount of crime

Hollywood back in the day was still jewish propaganda, but it was far more effective propaganda.

last year there were 4 movies that I saw in the cinema, all of which I liked a lot

So far this year it's been 0

>>512234443
Last movie I saw was that shitty animated Spider-Verse movie in 2023. Now I just don't give a shit anymore.

>>512220628 (OP)
The ‘08 recession prompted industries to show skilled boomers the door so they could hire young and “diverse” (cheaper) replacements. Everything being total shit is downstream of that.

>>512223529
this. you can see the fag shit pretty easily it was just subtle and bearable. guy leads in 2010s - movies started being really obviously cucked and it got worse and worse until the "clueless dork" became the norm for white guys culturally. now you literally see nothing but female leads, niggers, and the propaganda is in your face and obvious. to watch something thats 100 percent based from the US you have to at least go back to the 80s. youll notice the difference immediately. mostly white actors, strong male leads, dorky characters getting bullied and sidelined. and of course hot girls. but dont despair we still have anime. The japs know they have a monopoly too because marvel is too cucked to ever compete for their audience. pic related is one from apocalypse now. dope movie. also above anons are correct big fish was gay, OP Is a fag as always..

>>512234707
this too. don't forget libtards slid occupy wall street, they were around prior to the 2010s they just were better contained.

>>512231048
Labyrinth was a shit movie and I am not afraid to say so.

Continue consolidation of corporate hollywood. Big Fish made 120 million in revenue off of a 70 millon budget. Why invest $70 million to make a movie for $50 million profit when you could reinvest that $70 million into a capeslop flick that is already in the works and guaranteed to make over a billion dollars?

>>512220628 (OP)
If the propoganda is subtle, you say
>LOOK HOW HYPNOTIZED EVERYONE IS, HOLY SHIT, WAKE UP SHEEPLE
If the propaganda is obvious, you say
>HOLY SHIT THE PROPOGANDA IS OBVIOUS, I CAN'T SLEEP ANYMORE
So, since I am an optimist, at least one of these has to be a good answer. It's either good when the propaganda is so subtle, that it must barely affect people. Or it must be good that that it's so obvious now that no one is asleep. You're a double doomer, and I'm a double optimist.

>>512221708
Except if you are science pilled then it’s hard to watch as you know the science in the movie is all Jewish bullshit and black holes are not real

>>512229035
>whattheytookfromyou.jpg
SOVL

>>512234443
In 1993 I saw 19 movies at the cinema
Last year I saw 1
The year before I saw 1
So far this year I've seen 0

>>512221320
Film was fucking dogshit. I bailed after 15 minutes. Life is too short for wasting it on trash. I also stopped watching TV in 2003 and recommend everyone disconnect. I get accused of watching Tucker Carlson by my mother in law because he’s now parroting shit we’ve been saying here for a decade. Bitch I’m not a consoomer of these ideas, I’m a producer of them.

>>512220628 (OP)
I tried to watch that movie but I turned it off. looked like a forest gump knock off and I didn't have the patience for it.
I recently watched The Cat's Eye (1985) I liked that movie.

>>512236109
yah the basedence pill ruined starwars for me but starwars is fucking gay Im glad It happened

>>512220628 (OP)
Most if not all (((films))) were just cleverly disguised propaganda. For whatever reason they dropped the façade and made everything unpalatable

>>512220628 (OP)
Cringe movie
Stop consooming

>>512236109
Well we know with absolute certainty that that image they produced of a black hole a few years ago is fake. They generated hundreds of images from the same data and picked the one that fit their bias. Whether they’re real or not is besides the point because we can’t detect them, only their accretion discs and they could be revolving around anything. Remember quasars? You don’t hear much about those anymore.

>>512234707
The deviantart and Tumblr wackos were allowed in the industry. The inmates are running the asylum.

>>512236606
because the film industry is their main source of laundering the money they siphon from us. If they make it shit, they can claim that is why they are at a 'loss', paying less money to the actual stars of the movies, because it was not profitable. Even though they make 200 million +

>>512220628 (OP)
Hasn't there been a Hollywood writers strike for ages? They've probably got a bunch of fat deis writing scripts these days.

>>512220628 (OP)
jews no longer pander to WASP and its a new generation of marxist trained nepo babies who are all the creatives

>>512234130
Been playing nothing but my ps3 & ps4 consoles & n64 games on an emulator on my phone for like the past 8 years. Last new game I bought was red dead redemption 2 when it first came out. Never touched a game console made since the ps4.

>>512223262
i fucking loved Elvis

The following are the top 50 most downloaded movies on a popular piracy site for the years 2021-2024

>>512223262
this is the correct answer
movies are an art and it got taken over by people that dont know art but only know profit

>>512220628 (OP)
> It must be something else.
The horny male Jews got replaced by dried up cunty Jewesses who hate beauty and sexuality.

>>512221708
Was just thinking about how trash that movie was last night

>>512231874
>>512232238
2019 for me

>>512237585
Man, Dune part two was so damn good, I'm so glad I saw it in the Cinema

>>512220628 (OP)
Is Tim Burton jewish? He looks incredibly jewish but nothing on his early life says he's jewish.

>>512220628 (OP)
>movies were better 20+ years ago
Yes

>even this "old" movie
"Old" doesn't mean much of anything. As a millenial, the worst part of "old" movies growing up was that they all looked washed out with lots of specks and scratches, etc. Well, it turns out that's because what we were seeing were old prints of the movies from the 70s that were made cheaply because 1970s TVs didn't have a lot of detail nor good color. Now that those movies have been restored and remastered in 4k they look phenomenal. Some movies from the 60s still look like they could've been filmed yesterday.
So not only can movies from the 60s and earlier look spectacular, but anything made in the HDTV (1080, not 720) era looks the same as anything made today.

Movies from the 2000s will never age

>>512220628 (OP)
This movie was delightful give it a watch it will make you feel hopeful for movies

>>512221023
True

>>512238150
Mike Flanagan is absolutely killing it

>>512237450
>>512237502
>>512237542
>>512237585
These are movies that most people couldn't be arsed going to see at the cinema
The "meh, I'll just pirate it" movies

>>512237952
There are a lot of jewish families like that. Especially after ww2. But its not uncommon even before that. Because they are mutts. They are mutts from those countries who are offspring from jews. America is like a Godsend for jews like that because they can pretend to be almost any race. But they are actually jews.

>>512220628 (OP)
What happened in USA happened in soviet Russia before. Complete jewish takeover on every aspevt of society. Jews are a death sentence with their systematic nepotism and hatred for beauty, intelligence, civilization, architecture, culture, religion of goyims. They kill meritocracy by excluding the best goyims while promoting the vilest, most degenerate and good for nothing in ordet to demoralize society and make the goyims hopeless. USA is at this stage, governed by jews and pedoes and pedo jews.

>>512220628 (OP)
I liked that movie.

>>512223687
Jews love this environment. They hate competing with men, hence the forced diversity. The jex detests competition because he will always lise to better goyims. They literally invented communism to prevent goys beating them fair and square.

I havent seen a movie since 2011. I still post daily on /tv/ though.

>>512220628 (OP)
I don't get it. Was the guy actually a fish? Did his weird life friends help him pull off a trick for his death or something?

>>512223849
It's because of him that Hollywood went full woke, because all the people who protected him were terrified of being accused of being rapists so they went into full feminist propaganda

>>512220895
It started before that. Movies around 2000 started becoming artsy fartsy, shallow, and dumb (like American Beauty). Hollywood was riding high and got too full of itself and wanted to make artsy crap that doesn't really appeal to people except people pretending that stuff is "like really deep."

>>512220895
This but they also just hire shit actors for the sake of diversity.
I don't care if the actor is black, or gay, but as long as they are alright actors but Hollywood/Disney tends to hire those based on their skin colour and gender instead of finding someone with actual acting talent

>>512239690
long time since i saw the movie but I think the title about how his kid didn't believe his dads stories and played them off as something he had made up and/or embellished over the years. Its playing on how people talking about a big fish they caught once seemingly grows in size every time they tell the story.

>>512224013
I genuinely wonder how dumb someone has to believe things like this.

>>512239568
Its been nearly 15 years. You gotta get up-to-date with pop culture.

>>512220628 (OP)
I will explain this once and for all for everyone. I went to film school and arrived in LA in 2015, right as Hollywood was dying. I've thought about this deeply because I was hoping to base my whole life around a career in Hollywood. There are a few distinct reasons cinema as an art form is obsolete:
>Cinema acting is an obsolete artform
Before smartphones and the internet, it used to be very rare to see yourself on a video. It would really only happen if someone recorded a "home video", and even then it wasn't an activity people were doing constantly. Now, "home videos" are recorded every day, everyone's on camera all the time, people take pictures of each other constantly and distribute them in broadcast like networks. All of these things have made being a cinema actor no longer special, and even "cringe", therefore undercutting the very foundation of the cinema experience.
>Porn and snuff films
This is, thank God, starting to change, but the last decade snuff films and pornography basically ravaged society. Complete normies have all now spent time watching death and gore videos or abused themselves for hours watching all manner of degenerate pornography. This has harmed the individual and collective soul of the country, but, it has also undercut another valuable pillar of cinema, which was the novelty factor. We used to go to the cinema to see crazy things that we would never normally see in our boring daily lives. Cinema could uniquely cater this to us in the past, but not so now, as we can see basically any manner of shocking things on the internet that are seemingly "real". This also devalues the cinema experience.

>>512220895
Also, movies around the turn of the century started to focus on how glorious it is to make tons of money and be a wild Wall St. tycoon, presenting this as glamorous and desirable. After the tech boom of the mid 90s, popular culture in general became very shallow and materialistic, like the Boy Bands and the Spice Girls in music. This shallow materialistic ethos pervaded everything.
There is no going back. The last time "real talk" and "real life" was common in American media was the early 90s, pre-tech boom. Even though everything has gone downhill since then, the people in charge, whether that's in Hollywood or politics or corporations, insist on pretending everything is the same as it was back then, or even better today. They're living in a kind of aggressive denial.

>>512230879
>Personally I think they're programming the new gen to be more palatable to mass immigration.
Wrong, they are programming culture war to exhaust you in that battle and not focus on the jewish problem. This is a replacement for the gender war and previously the class warfare. But it's always jews pulling the strings

>>512238150
Don't believe this fag. Movie is dogshit, boring to death and full of kikes

>>512221708
MAD MAX FURY ROAD.

>>512240355
Look at geopolitics for another example. American foreign policy officials are clinging for dear life to the dream of the American "unipolar moment" that we had after the USSR fell in the 90s. They will not entertain the idea of US decline even while the behavior of all the major institutions is contributing to a hard decline. This is a country trapped in nostalgia and unwilling to admit that times have changed. The boomers have a part of their brain that still feels like it's the 70s or 80s even while their senses tell them that all that stuff is long gone. So there is a lot of cognitive dissonance too.

>>512240343
>Push vs pull manufacturing i.e. streaming killed the business model
And finally, streaming as a business model can't create new cinema because the model can't move capital fast enough to justify spending investments, let alone thinking you'll ever make back your money. In the last century, before the internet and "streaming", which is another website, a movie could make its primary ROI on 1) ticket sales and later on in the 90s and 00s, 2) VHS and DVD sales. Ticket sales were the constant, however. Selling tickets to a theater experience is a very "fast" movement of capital compared with streaming, which is opaque. Think about if you're a rich movie producer. You spend 10 million on a movie. In the cinema era, your goal was concrete, it was to sell enough tickets at 15 dollars approx. a pop until you made back your money and a healthy profit. Streaming is stupid. If you're an executive, you have no real target, no goal, streaming only pays like .001 cent a view, or something to that effect. It's not a 1 to 1 transaction like purchasing tickets was. Capital moves slower and is less predictable in this transaction, therefore money cannot be risked as freely to try to create anything of new value.

Anyone else trying to say that cinema is dead for any of the other reasons I've listed is deluded and completely wrong. These are the primary reasons Hollywood is dead and cinema is now an obsolete artform. Thanks, have a great day.

There are no "stars" anymore either that are common household names. The last generation of the "leading man" was Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, and perhaps last of all, Russell Crowe. Notice how the admirable, heroic leading man, who was always a fine white male who could have been depicted in a Third Reich propaganda poster, is a tradition that ended shortly into the 2000s, definitely by the late 2000s.

>>512240343
read my above comment, you missed 90 percent of what was happening in the 2010s. and normies cant stand actual gore. jewtube demonitizes shit like lions and wolves. in anything they've gotten more easily frightened.

>>512240839
I just noticed I started that off with Push vs. Pull manufacturing. Cinema was "push" manufacturing when it was based on selling tickets because the studios and distributed had a monopoly on where and how you could view the movie. This was before the internet, which broke this paradigm. "Pull" manufacturing is when the customer decides how much of something is produced and where it's distributed. This is how most consumer retail works now. Streaming is "pull" manufacturing. The streamers use the viewing data to decide what they'll spend money on and who gets paid. This doesn't work for cinema.

>>512240913
The dead space remake was pretty good. The only single point I can make about it is that they made Nicole less hot and kinda look like an old dyke. I imagine it was a self insert. Other than that, 12/10

>>512240913
I read it, you're wrong. Thanks

>>512240103
Explain why it happens science fag

>>512234264
Definitely. Regarding tropes and propaganda they haven't changed. Some movies slipped through the cracks of degeneracy doe. One example I really like is The Patriot.

>>512234707
>The ‘08 recession prompted industries to show skilled boomers the door so they could hire young and “diverse” (cheaper) replacements. Everything being total shit is downstream of that.
Boomers were actually considerably more competent than Gen X that followed them. The great movies and music of the latter 20th century were almost all made by boomers (excepting Gen X's short music glory in the 90s, which didn't last as long as boomer music's glory days (late 60s through the 80s).
Boomers excelled at culture, not politics (political institutions have been a steep decline since the boomers took over around the early 90s). Not that later generations will be any better, though

>>512241625
the toy car doesn't have fixed wheels. Prove me wrong by replicating the experiment.

>>512220628 (OP)
>Jews owned Hollywood since day 1. It must be something else.
Audience is also important and Americans are stupid.
Hollywood was always subversion

>>512233352
>I think that Americans moved from classic tales of loyalty, bravery, and temperance, to identity and moral relativism, which is why Hollywood lost its power to resonate internationally and to create movies that transcended. What do you think is?
This is definitely a part of the problem. The shift to postmodern culture has been a disaster in every area of life.
And as to the "old tropes" as Breakroom mentioned, they in fact never get old. They are based in archetypes rooted in our nature and they have been around and have always been enjoyed since ancient times.
"Frozen" was such a success because it was based on European folktales and set in old Europe, which was Disney's strongest suit for most of Disney's history, and that's even despite the "girl power" and "I don't need no man" messaging in "Frozen."

>>512237698
Yes. It was overhyped as "the first movie that uses actual science in the story"

>>512231874
>In my professional opinion 1999 was the last year of good films.
Gladiator, released in 2000, is really good. But there was a stark decline in the number of good movies coming out after the 90s.

>>512223849
Way before

>>512229967
>Wrong. I have lots of scifi and detective noir ideas that haven't been done in literature or film. Hollywood simply isn't hiring writers unless you're in the tribe.
Jewish nepotism, and general Hollywood nepotism (for non-Jews already ensconced in Hollywood), are also pieces of the puzzle.
So many actors and writers and directors today are kids or relatives of established old fixtures in Hollywood. Hollywood always had some nepotism, but it's gone into overdrive in recent decades, just as it has in every other industry.
Part of the problem is new elites, minted after the 60s cultural revolution and the 80s financial revolution, have been eager to pull up the ladder behind themselves and not let any newcomers into the club.

>>512229857
>You think film quality hasn’t gone down? Here is a non exhaustive list of movies released in 1994. Just 1994.
>>Shawshank Redemption
>>Pulp Fiction
>>Forrest Gump
>>Leon The Professional
>>The Lion King
>>Speed
>>Dumb and Dumber
>>The Mask
>>Stargate
>>True Lies
>>Interview with the Vampire
>>Ace Ventura
>>The Crow
>>Natural Born Killers
>>Clerks
>>Clear and Present Danger
>>The River Wild
>Any of these movies holds up today, and they were all released in the same fucking year. Meanwhile we are lucky to get one DECENT film in the past decade.
In fact quite a few of those are classics (Shawshank, The Lion King, Forrest Gump), and all the rest are memorable and most are enjoyable (not a fan of Natural Born Killers -- too dumb and based just on shock appeal).

>>512220628 (OP)
saw that in the theater as a kid I have to rewatch it now

>>512242734
Even in the case of Natural Born Killers you still knew what it was. And your criticism wasn’t that it was complete shit, it just wasn’t for you. Modern movies are complete shit. There hasn’t been a movie that will be considered a classic for probably the past 20 years now.

>>512220628 (OP)
>>512220628 (OP)
Digital content killed movies. They can't make movies like Big Fish, Goodwill Hunting, Patch Atams, etc because those movies will flop every single time at theaters. Where those movies shined was physical media, VHS, DVD, blue ray sales. They don't make shit on digital streaming. So what changed is jewwood has to cater to movies that will shine in the box office, which are all normie retarded action movies.

>>512236679
Most of what scientists believe about black holes came from a guy with Lou Gehrig's disease in wheelchair who talked with a voice synthesizer by blinking. He supposedly wrote books by blinking and communicating with a team of writers. I have a real hard time believing this.

>>512220628 (OP)
Based Big Fish appreciator. It truly is Burton's overlooked film.

And yeah movies back in the 2000's still had heart and soul. I just rewatched Cinderella Man and it got me through my finals (managed to ace them all).

Looking back, the 2000s despite all the shit that gets slinged at it was truly the last good decade.

I mean we had No Country for Old Men, Master and Commander, There Will Be Blood, and so many other great productions that blow today's shit out of the water.

>>512230253
>1999
Was a good year, other than the world ending...but still was a great time to be alive in the U.S.

>>512220628 (OP)
Movie awards are voted on by narcissistic self-righteous rich elite liberals. Their opinion is shit and irrelevant. They also do the opposite and shit on good movies that they don't like because it doesn't align with their political views.

>>512220628 (OP)

American Liberalism. Not that that's new, but it transformed, and the entertainment industry was destroyed along with it.

You are completely wrong. And nothing happened. Nothing new. You should not be using screen trance programming controlled and created by all of mankind’s worst enemy. Obviously. Fool.

>>512220628 (OP)
thats the only movie i have ever seen that is literally pro lying... the message of the movie is literally that lying is fucking awesome.
Pretty hilarious

Unironically steaming ruined these lower budget movies
Matt Damon said in an interview that movies like this never made much at cinemas etc but bought in big dollars when you sold them on VHS/DVD/BLURAY
But now they are just not profitable at all

>>512220628 (OP)
Hollyheeb began chasing the wider audience. Everything from niggers and women to fags to chinks to muslims in saudi arabia. They wanted every last sheckel from every moviegoer on earth and ended up making slop that no one wants to see.

>>512220628 (OP)
it's because they don't have to pretend anymore
the jews think the Kalergi plan is now self sustaining and irreversible
who nose maybe they're right since whites aren't really doing anything to stop their extinction

>>512220628 (OP)
Asian movie studios have absolutely MOGGED Hollywood kikes since at least the late 1990s.

>>512242969
Blood Diamond, from 2006, is a great movie, but not really a classic. But it has a story you can follow and conforms to standard storytelling methods. There is too much "experimental" stuff today.
Movie makers would do well to go back to the basics and focus on telling interesting stories set in interesting places and times. Part of the appeal of a film is just its setting, which helps a person feel like he's been transported to another, more fascinating place.

>>512245409
Yeah I saw that interview. The best things about DVDs was the extras: deleted scenes, behind-the-scenes, etc.

Now I like streaming for the ease of access but I like to actually collect physical media. I

>>512245582
I almost forgot about that film. It's probably one of Leo's most underrated. I knew a dude from Zimbabwe and he said that Leo's Rhodie accent is actually pretty decent.

>>512243355
>Digital content killed movies. They can't make movies like Big Fish, Goodwill Hunting, Patch Atams, etc because those movies will flop every single time at theaters. Where those movies shined was physical media, VHS, DVD, blue ray sales. They don't make shit on digital streaming. So what changed is jewwood has to cater to movies that will shine in the box office, which are all normie retarded action movies.
I watched Patch Adams recently with my elderly mom and it's a really good film. I saw it back in the day and likes it, but then just sort of forgot about it. It's nothing amazing, but it's perfectly enjoyable film fare. It has an interesting story with a good premise, it has good acting, and even though it's a bit corny by today's standards, it's also very warmhearted, and I miss having just warmhearted, sweet movies come out regularly to help me feel like there are decent people in the world and the world is a halfway decent place, or at least can be improved.

>>512238150
The Life of Sneed is better

>>512244059
>>1999
>Was a good year, other than the world ending...but still was a great time to be alive in the U.S.
Western Civilization was still at its peak back then and has been going downhill for this whole new century/millennium.

>>512245830
>I miss having just warmhearted, sweet movies come out regularly to help me feel like there are decent people in the world and the world is a halfway decent place, or at least can be improved.
THIS

Sincerity is fucking dead in the water. Everybody has to be a snarking asshole.

>>512245576
>dude le whacky azn waifus lmao
That movie is absolute garbage
The other one is superior, but is still far from perfect

>>512245429
>Hollyheeb began chasing the wider audience. Everything from niggers and women to fags to chinks to muslims in saudi arabia. They wanted every last sheckel from every moviegoer on earth and ended up making slop that no one wants to see.
A big piece of the puzzle
American movies before the 2000s and especially before the 2010s were directed toward an American audience with assumed cultural knowledge and insider jokes/twists. With the globalization of movie making and intended global audiences, elements that were too culturally specific to America were left out so as not to confuse international audiences. This has the effect of dumbing down stories and dialog. Also, it means America is no longer presented to the world in its own idiosyncratic reality, which people around the world were actually interested in, and so America is depicted as some generic place that anyone can understand and you don't need any cultural background to appreciate it.
To some extent, America was always less culturally particular and unique than, say, some European nation-state, and in the globalist neoliberal era a lot of what cultural particularity we had has been fading, but when people watch a film from a certain country, they want to see what that country is like on its own terms, not some bland simplification of it.

>>512220628 (OP)
All writers are now woke leftist activists where every script has to revolve around social justice somehow

>>512240653
Furiosa was also very good, too bad we won't get another mad max film

>>512224013
rockets dont work by pushing on atmospheric gases, they simply create force that acts on mass

>>512245582
My main gripe with modern films is the complete over reliance on CGI.

>>512230294
it was good until that retarded power rangers style ending

>>512245668
>I almost forgot about that film. It's probably one of Leo's most underrated. I knew a dude from Zimbabwe and he said that Leo's Rhodie accent is actually pretty decent.
I think Blood Diamond is the film that proved Leonardo DiCaprio is more than just a teen idol, the reputation he got from Titanic, but is in fact a very talented actor. Most people didn't recognize this in him until that movie where he gets raped by a bear (can't remember the name, go figure, since that movie was just too subpar and didn't follow regular storytelling methods). But it was Blood Diamond that showed the depth of the guy's talents.
Also, Blood Diamond's depiction of African life is dead on, as someone who has lived in Africa as a researcher. Leo's character walks out of his apartment and suddenly three African women hit him up for sex, prostitutes saying "Big white man all alone. I am safe, no HIV."
I had that same experience many times in Africa.
Anyone who wants a depiction of modern Africa that is spot on should watch Blood Diamond. Plus it's just a really good movie on its own terms.

>>512236317
ive been a total of two times post covid, mostly because the options are such garbage

>>512246657
I just rewatched that one and it surprised me in how good it was. I expected garbage but it delivered. Thor-guy proved he can actually act.

>>512230879
I just rewatched The Road from 2009
There's a single black character and he's a thief
You could never do that today.
If the movie was remade now the main character would have to be black and only white guys could be depicted as villains.

>>512246959
Yes, it's been a dire uninspiring selection. I can't stand capeshit, so it's been crappy since all that stuff started

>>512246041
>>I miss having just warmhearted, sweet movies come out regularly to help me feel like there are decent people in the world and the world is a halfway decent place, or at least can be improved.
>THIS
>Sincerity is fucking dead in the water. Everybody has to be a snarking asshole.
And movies/media in general have the power to affect the public's attitudes and behavior, at least somewhat. When movies commonly depicted sweet, sincere people are the heroes of the story, people got the idea that that's how they should behave and that's how they should aspire to be.
Depicting a bunch of snarking assholes in film (movies or TV), or a bunch of shallow jerks getting rich, teaches bad lessons to the public and damages society.
Plato even wrote about this in The Republic, how playwriters should be conscious to send the right messages to the audience, even saying that the views and attitudes that people learn as children "are apt to become unalterable."

>>512247208
>The Road from 2009
Similar movie from recent times is Bird Box (2018)
Literally every white male character in that film is evil or crazy or cowardly or otherwise flawed.
Whereas all the female and brown characters are flawless.
(They even have one old white guy who makes Trump-like statements. The propaganda is completely unsubtle.)

>>512220628 (OP)
I'm so fucking tired of these ridiculous fake spelling mistakes.
AI, if you're going to emulate retards, lose or add a vowel or consonant, just please no more of this retarded bullshit.
Worse that the kikes and the jeets.

>>512245608
My local charity shop sells DVDs 10/$1 and blue rays 5/$1. And the selection is always changing. I stop by once a week and have managed to build up quite a little collection. My oldest kid is 3 so will be watching tv/movies in a few years and I want to have a good selection of non-pozzed media bs there’s no way in hell I’m keeping any streaming services once my kids are old enough to watch tv
>also, having physical copies means the jew can’t modify and censor movies like they’ve been doing to digital copies over the past decade

>>512240092
This. I think it was leaving the audience to wonder if small lies to children that we love really matter/ We do it partially to make sure they view us a bigger than we are and to have a little more security that they'll love and look up to parents and partially because it's entertaining to bullshit about benign happenings that can never be truly verified and won't be held against parents once the kids are mature.

>>512220628 (OP)
I actually don't like that movie. It pisses me off how you keep realizing over and over how much he was lying the whole time.

>>512247273
We all got brainwashed by Hollywood for being good little worker ants for the system. However, I can also credit it for teaching me how to be a man since my dad passed away prematurely in kindergarten. I grew up watching shows and movies that taught me to stand up for myself and for others.

>>512247941
Yeah it pisses me off that they edit this shit

>>512248291
He wasn’t lying though. All the people his son thought were made up showed up to the funeral at the end. That was the night twist

>>512248457
The father's choice of words when he told those stories made you realize that the son misinterpreted it. Like the twin sisters joined at the hip. They weren't conjoined but just really close.

He realized that before he was a parent, the father lead an amazing life as a young man and his son should appreciate him.

>>512223849
>>512223262
>>512220628 (OP)
hollywood was founded on jews stealing from the white man
literally the whole reason that it was founded in the first place was because edison invented the motion picture and wanted royalties (his god-given right for inventing it) and the jews decided to pull some jew bullshit and move so far away (commie fornia) that he couldn't effectively sue them because by the time he could prove damage the company responsible had been dissolved and a new one formed in it's place, that was the old standby back then, form a company, fuck with the books, say it went under and you made no profit, then form a new company and that way you can avoid taxes, lawsuits, all manner of legal shit
they carry on this tradition to this day, bleeding fixed-price companies dry (like over working CGI companies by leveraging unfair contracts) and then paying no taxes because technically the money went to the 50 subcompanies (that the same people own) and those all went bankrupt or some other bullshit so poof 2 billion dollars in revenue gone somehow

>>512220628 (OP)
>It must be something else.

I think we're just witnessing the downfall and collapse of the US in real time, hollywood is just a reflection of what the average american 'thinks' their society is or should be. If most movies today are shit, more than likely america is...

>>512239075
>What happened in USA happened in soviet Russia before.
You're talking out of your ass
Soviet culture wasn't all about Jews

>>512220628 (OP)
Something with streaming taking over. Hollywood is afraid to try anything new, everything is a sequel or a reboot of something people already know.

>>512220628 (OP)
It's still jews. The purpose is to get you hooked on something (jewllywood movies) and try to gradually uglify and demonize everything that was once beautiful and aesthetic. One way they do this is vilify White western civilization on one hand and glamorize trannies, gays and hedonistic sex and drugs,etc ...

>>512249965
Sorry if my point doesn't come across as astute but I am drunk lads

>>512237450
a thing i noticed about torrenting over the past couple decades was slop trends while kino and movie house gets buried suggesting only jeets, brazil and eastern europeans torrent regularly still
back in the early 00s kino dominated

>>512221023
anora was good but not great, it would have been ignored like big fish for awards etc if it was released 20 years ago. desu there are a lot of reasons why movies are such shit now, some economic some social. all i know is i'm broken hearted because i always wanted to make them and it's looking like i won't be able to

>>512223531
miss big harv

Hollywood is dying and computers are killing it.
CGI and AI are advancing so rapidly that soon a kid in his bedroom will be able to produce a photorealistic movie that looks as good as anything made by the big studios.
It's going to murder those studios. They can't compete with this.

>>512243437
He was also a sexy bastard and loved to do the robot with young lings

>>512223975
why does a photo of a list of movies showing in 2001 even still exist today?

>>512224559
Evolution is the pick from that list.

>>512220628 (OP)
>Big Fish
Didn't expect to see that movie here

>>512229967
>>512242549
i've had some of my work make it to agents and executives who actually liked it but never have gotten anything made. lot of people with the correct last name get worse stuff made. it's really demoralizing

>>512251210
>Hollywood is dying and computers are killing it.
>CGI and AI are advancing so rapidly that soon a kid in his bedroom will be able to produce a photorealistic movie that looks as good as anything made by the big studios.
But the decline in quality movies has been going on for 20 years, since well before super advanced CGI and AI.

>>512251801
>why does a photo of a list of movies showing in 2001 even still exist today?
Someone took a picture and kept the photo?

>>512243355
why don't the studios then just charge and insane license fee to netflix? everyone has netlfix but their originals are shit. i don't understand why this can't be figured out

>>512220628 (OP)
zoomers aint got no money and millenials are in the midst of a mid-life crisis and are easily baited and fleeced of their wealth by 'nostalgia' related consumption. so shitty remakes of 20 year old movies and other forms of media, toys and whatever the fuck else, it will be until they find the next 'thing' to sell where they can extract the maximum amount of profit for the minimum amount of effort.

>>512252527
they're hitting the boomers as well. notable examples are the Top Gun remake and new content with that F1 advertisement movie where in both instances the 'old guy' shows up them young whipper snappers.

>>512245830
>I watched Patch Adams recently with my elderly mom and it's a really good film.
Based on a real M.D. who was batshit insane.

>>512223531
too true

Its a definitive cultural stagnation and decline in many avenues of life, but films have got it the worst. Its far too agenda driven; almost everything. You can't go to the movies for escapism without still being bombarded with modern politics and social issues and its subtlety is lost on current generation of content makers and is so shoved in your face, its a turn off. The talent of the industry, in effects lighting, acting, all retired or were unceremoniously shown the door for not aligning their views with he current paradigm and thus, bland unimaginative shit is left to fill the void. Video games and other avenues of entertainment have emerged, but the problem with video games is that its industry is filled with people who failed to get into the film industry and the film industry is left with people who don't understand the video game industry. And Hollywood and those behind AAA games must absolutely hate sinking billions into games no one plays when three or four nerds in a basement can make one that outsells all of them with pocket change.
Then, there is the intentional sabotaging of stories that would make great films and franchises and the cultural vandalism done to established ones. Its the envy of having not been creative enough to have made it themselves coupled with the disdain they have for the fanbase that made it popular in the first place, so they destroy it because they fail to make anything new.

I think the answer is to either endeavour to make your own movies but if you're of the introvert kind, endeavour to make your own 3D films. The tech is now there and so affordable that you could make Hollywood blockbuster quality cinema yourself and with the bar lowered thanks to shit like cinematic universe franchises crapping out movies with jeet-tier CGI standards, it could look absolutely crappy but still be more kino than those money-laundering operations being lauded as modern cinema.

It has to be intentional.

>>512246527
The publishing houses and movie financiers demand it. One of my favorite authors (science fiction) was forced to introduce troon characters in his latest trilogy. Decades of no woke bullshit in his books, and suddenly one of his characters, who was perfectly normal in the previous trilogy, announced he was a she and cut his dick off.

>>512220628 (OP)
Bro have you noticed what's happening outside? Everything has gotten hyperpolitical and wars are breaking out.
The "Hollywood Industry" was predicated on a low period of peace in the west, and financial dominance. It's not going to exist anymore if that is gone.

>>512248457
He was lying. They show up but are far less spectacular and magical than he made it seem. It's disappointing and makes the dad come off as a douchebag. I know what they were going for it didn't work forme.

Abigail was p kino that came out a couple of years ago.

>>512253763
>The publishing houses and movie financiers demand it. One of my favorite authors (science fiction) was forced to introduce troon characters in his latest trilogy. Decades of no woke bullshit in his books, and suddenly one of his characters, who was perfectly normal in the previous trilogy, announced he was a she and cut his dick off.
Frightening

>>512253763
which author?

To be honest, I am glad that the quality of jewish propaganda has declined.
Good things never last forever, and eventually they come to an end.

>>512251210
the future of media is AI generating personalized episodes and films from existing titles, tailored uniquely to each individual viewer. Followed by the viewer being able to interact with the characters in the shows.

>>512254890
What would you call "good" jewish propaganda?

>>512220628 (OP)
AI movies coming soon. Which means an absolute deluge of inane crap of such drooling mediocrity that they will make the recent "Snow White" look like its in the same league as "Citizen Kane". Imagine every left wing bitch with a grudge typing in prompts to make a full length movie.
There will be some good AI movies, but they will be exceptionally rare and hidden under all the slop. Finding them will be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Time to boot up and start downloading the entire film catalogue from before 2015, all the way back to the silent movie era. But do it soon becasue all the pirate sites are going to be toast soon as a result of the increasing trend to unique identifiers on any internet activity, tying any use from a computer to an identifiable individual. They will monitor what you download. Instant fines in the mail.

Also. Buster Keaton movies are pretty good.

>>512223975
Take me back bros.

>>512229035
Based.

>>512229857
Leon The Professional is the most underrated movie on that list.

>>512251801
>evolution jeez I forgot about that. so good

>>512255560
Leave it to Beaver
Andy Griffith

>>512229857
We didn't know how good we had it in the 90s. We thought it would just always keep being that way.

>>512232742
Good point! End game capitalism mixed with blackrock sponsored cultural marxism. Pure cultural poison.

>>512250800
You should convince one of those special effects houses who hollywood won't pay anything to make a cg movie of their own. All those vfx houses turning to make their own movies would be the creative burst needed to steer us into new times.

>>512220628 (OP)
Longform series killed the movie. The Sopranos and Deadwood planted the seeds. Breaking Bad took it to another level. GOT was the first death blow.

No two hour format is ever going to compete with 10+ hours per season of a high budget production. Movies can't compete with the world building, immersion, and character development of a blockbuster series. Movies seem condensed, superficial, and shallow as a result.

>>512258074
i feel the opposite i get bored of tv

>>512256415
>We didn't know how good we had it in the 90s. We thought it would just always keep being that way.
Yeah, this feeling was real. It felt like progress would never stop.

>>512258265
I said high budget. 98% of it is slop. Were you bored during the first viewing of BB, GOT, Stranger Things?

>>512220628 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDD6izSZInw&t=5s

lawyers happened.

>>512258074
>Longform series killed the movie. The Sopranos and Deadwood planted the seeds. Breaking Bad took it to another level. GOT was the first death blow.
>No two hour format is ever going to compete with 10+ hours per season of a high budget production. Movies can't compete with the world building, immersion, and character development of a blockbuster series. Movies seem condensed, superficial, and shallow as a result.
Yep, the 2010s sucked for movies but that were all kinds of longform series that were anywhere from interesting to fantastic. Lots that many people never even heard of. I liked many from the UK.
"The White Queen" was really cool. And tons of others too
But I do think 2-3 hour films have their place and could make a comeback if the movies were better than they are today.

>>512258074
>Longform series killed the movie. The Sopranos and Deadwood planted the seeds. Breaking Bad took it to another level. GOT was the first death blow.
HBO's "Rome" was also incredible!

>>512258788
AI collaborated indie films will bring it back when the tech gets there. There's lots of potential for some really mind-blowing entertainment...if it's done right. But there will also be slop. You can't escape slop.

>>512258857
Yes. Until they fucked it up in season 2 with jew rebels. every single time

>>512236679
It's a movie not a documentary. Why wouldn't they pick the thing that looks the coolest

>>512258660
> BB, GOT, Stranger Things?
yes i didn't like any of them. i did like sopranos and mad men though

>>512220628 (OP)
US no longer a meritocracy and people just get placed into their positions / roles based on connections and nepotism

>>512220628 (OP)
>What the fuck happened to movies?
movies largely sucked always
you guys have the SHITTIEST NORMIE taste in movies and music, the inability to realize that you were the normies is comical

>>512260791
Does the very concept of a movie suck anyway ?
What are non-normie movies in your opinion

>>512230200
>>512247208
>The Road from 2009
I just watched that movie. My God it was so fucking awful. I have no idea how it has so much praise from a wide array of people. The only reason I finished it was because I kept hoping the fucking annoying shit stain kid would die

>>512259231
>Jing Herod, of Judea, is in Rome visiting Mark Antony. All mockery of the Jews and their one God shall be kept to an appropriate minimum!
That part was just downright funny.

>>512261707
*King

>>512261216
>Does the very concept of a movie suck anyway ?
largely
>>512261216
>What are non-normie movies in your opinion
something that isn't dogshit Hollywood with an insane budget and the typical mass appeal themes
one of the best periods was when Hollywood died in the 50's due to TV and Italian greats like Fellini took over
but the late 70's-80's brought the big budget action movie back, then it went overboard in the 90's and died until CGI took off and made even big budget look cheap as shit
the 80's were good for low budget stuff that became cult classics and Kubrick was still around.. so the 80's had some good shit still... the 90's is where it largely went to hell

>>512261852
>then it went overboard in the 90's and died until CGI took off and made even big budget look cheap as shit
I think big budget with practical effects can look way better than CGI even today. Look at "Titanic" from 1997, where they basically rebuilt a large portion of the ship, not at full scale but super big anyway, and it looks amazing. The sinking scenes in "Titanic" have an incredible realism about them and it's due to the practical effects that even today's CGI would have a hard time matching.

>>512258598
I don't even mean the progress. Education was a lot cheaper, medical shit wasn't bankrupting the nation yet. There was no opiod epidemic. Housing was cheap. Games had soul. Movies didn't have woke shit. And the music - so much fucking variety and creativity. Now it's all soulless top 40 garbage that AI can easily replicate.

>>512220628 (OP)
When the Weinstein brothers were taken out of Hollywood, movies went to the trash.
These two men were responsible for making anything worth watching since probably the 1980's.
They quit film making and nobody has filled the void.
They might be scummy and rapists, but this doesn't change the facts of the matter.

>>512220628 (OP)
Mass firing of writers in the late 90s, leading to dumbass gen x and millennial writers who sucked. Inject politics into it, and everything goes to shit. Movies are now made by dumb millenial women and jews for an increasingly bown stupefied population. The last time Disney gotten even close to having a white male protagonist was tangled, and before that was treasure planet. They make movies for a demographic that isn't you.

>>512262256
>I don't even mean the progress. Education was a lot cheaper, medical shit wasn't bankrupting the nation yet. There was no opiod epidemic. Housing was cheap. Games had soul. Movies didn't have woke shit. And the music - so much fucking variety and creativity. Now it's all soulless top 40 garbage that AI can easily replicate.
Totally agree with all that
The entire new century/millennium has been a downward slide for most Americans and probably most Westerners in general. This new millennium sucks so far!

>>512236347
I used to be a huge consoomer of media, then I somehow I lucked into a job working in film and TV. Now I just see it as industrial slop. Taking immensely talented people and just wasting their efforts on pumping out garbage. I'd rather listen to wind noise than watch most media produced in the last 20 years

>>512262321
Thank you zoomer Saar. Much peace be upon you and Dunkin’ Donuts.

>>512220895
So jews.

>>512258074
I, Claudius started it all.

>>512262468
Wtf are you even saying

>>512262509
The 1976 film production of "I, Claudius" is one of the greatest pieces of art of all time.
And absolutely, it's the progenitor of all longform film series.

>>512261852
So Kubrick is good, I assume. What else?

>>512220628 (OP)
They stopped allowing Anglos to be creative and forced diversity upon every production. You'll never see anything like the Lord Of The Rings trilogy ever again. And there's a reason for that, one that is entirely driven by jealousy from Jews.

>>512220628 (OP)
They found their cash cow (marvel garbage, star wars) and then they beat it to death. Then they dug it up and started beating it again. Now they're still beating the pile of mush that's left over.
For some reason normies still obsess over these stupid capeshit movies so Hollywood keeps making them

>>512262679
LOTR trilogy was produced by Harvey Weinstein

Have you had the displeasure of working retail or labour with late millennials or zoomers?

Imagine the wonderful work ethic and bright ideas they bring to the table but now its art.

>>512252250
everyone's in survival mode
nobody is making or consuming art

>>512262731
Doesn't change anything. The massive success of those movies, which were essentially all Anglo and filled with heroic moments where white men saved the day and drove back the forces of darkness, plus the romance between white men and women....Jews will never ever allow something like that to be made again, lest it start putting ideas in Anglos heads. That's why the Amazon series was full of faggot shit and fat black Big Mama female dwarves.

>>512262731
See? The Weinsteins were somehow involved in everything worth watching, for decades.

Blame the audience. They keep going to capeshit and remakes in theaters.

>>512220628 (OP)
Film to digital.
This goes for music as well.

>>512263154
Yes.
>>512262990
LOTR's original trilogy was probably the riskiest film project of all time. There were lots of big flops in the 1990s, notably Waterworld. The project had to be made in 3 films regardless of whatever happens in terms of revenues in the first 2 parts. They used lots of emerging CGI back then, lots of unknown actors, each film was long, the whole thing was a huge risk.

You wouldn't risk your own money and company's resources if you were in his place. There were lots of much safer projects to do.

>>512221708
Interstellar was beyond ugly. I don't know how people sit through a minute with an eyesore like that.

>>512220628 (OP)
nepo babies have started hiring their own nepo babies

>>512223975
>>512251801
Great Googamooga!

>>512262731
No

>>512261852
la dolce vita blew all of american cinema out of the water in 1960 fucking amazing

the death of movies finding a second life with DVDs

>>512220628 (OP)
I've actually thought about this a lot and even specifically about big fish which basically got made fun of back then. The greed within corporate structures and within sociopaths that seek financial power has become actively hostile to any competent group projects.

>>512262129
>I think big budget with practical effects can look way better than CGI even today
true.... i like both location shooting and nicely implemented sets... CGI is just laughable
>>512262597
>So Kubrick is good, I assume. What else?
from that era? i like his so-called Russian rival Tarkovsky, but i know most people wouldn't like it, tho /pol/ has a pepe image of one of his movies and everybody should know Stalker from the game with the same name
Lynch is good but also silly at times
i like the whole 70's Italian giallo scene
Kusturica had a few good ones, namely Underground
of course Leone, with the Eastwood trilogy
Takeshi Kitano for 90's Japanese
generally the 80's stuff like Predator and similar are still good, and there's too many of the lower budget stuff to list.... Czech 1960's-70's had their own unique style, etc... i'm forgetting more than mentioned because i haven't watched anything in years

>>512263607
>la dolce vita blew all of american cinema out of the water in 1960 fucking amazing
hell yeah... Fellini is something that has and will stick with me for the rest of my life... i'll go to my grave with that shit on my mind

>>512220628 (OP)
>Tv and streaming media
>hd television becoming common place.
>videogames taking away all of the male viewership.

Those three things brought down the Hollywood blockbuster bubble just like digital music libraries and streaming brought down the music industry bubble.

We no longer rely on record companies to produce vinyls and sell them in stores and we no longer rely on Hollywood to produce media.

I can listen to a new artist without any contracts signed on SoundCloud and I can watch whatever I want on the dozen or so streaming sites while I play on my steam account. No longer is production hidden behind a ln expensive pay wallet of studios and mass marketing entertainment corps.

>>512224013
yes asshole i watch movies to fantasize. fucking dolt.

>>512262446
is it possible to reproduce cinematrography of 50s and 60s (technicolor) and 80s/late 80s (whatever warner bros was doing) or has is it become "lost tech" these days?

most of the stuff since mid 90s is horrible to look at in terms of visuals

>>512262901
>everyone's in survival mode
>nobody is making or consuming art
First point, I agree
Second point, doubt
Much great art has been made in hard times or by people living difficult lives. Survival mode is no barrier to great art and sometimes it enhances it.

>>512263435
Also, part of the risk of making LotR was fantasy was still pretty niche and associated with nerds, though its popularity had been steadily growing.
LotR is what really made the fantasy genre mainstream and acceptable to the masses.

>>512263154
If Jews just stuck to making decent films, and managed finances responsibly instead of doing crazy shit, weren't nepotistic but gave all people a fair chance, didn't make Israel's interests the center of Western foreign policy, and didn't pervert the schools and media with ideological garbage, then I'd have no problem at all with Jews. At that point, they'd just be an asset.
But that's dreaming, I know.

>>512220628 (OP)
>What the fuck happened to movies?
two things:
1. Rewarding uncreative works, mediocrity and stagnation
2. Total failure to implement suspension of disbelief in dei scripts

>>512263901
>from that era? i like his so-called Russian rival Tarkovsky, but i know most people wouldn't like it, tho /pol/ has a pepe image of one of his movies and everybody should know Stalker from the game with the same name
Soviet cinema could be pretty great, and some post-Soviet Russian cinema. I really like the 2005 Mosfilm production of Doctor Zhivago. Really good look at the last years of the Tsarist regime and the Russian Revolution and Civil War

>>512266157
Exactly, and almost every attempt to make a huge budget film in that genre in the 1990s failed miserably. The low IQ goyim back then wanted and expected something like "Independence Day" or an action film like "The Fugitive". They were not ready for a 10 hour trilogy that did cost 300 million dollar of 90s money, probably 3 billion dollars of today's real money if not more, with the technology (e.g. GPUs) of late 1990s. It was miraculous that the whole thing worked in terms of commercial success, artistic success, and usage of tech to create the CGI back when most of the CGI was retarded (watch Hercules and Xena CGI for example)

>>512264257
>is it possible to reproduce cinematrography of 50s and 60s (technicolor) and 80s/late 80s (whatever warner bros was doing) or has is it become "lost tech" these days?
>most of the stuff since mid 90s is horrible to look at in terms of visuals
I absolutely LOVE technicolor! In my estimation, it just looks better than any cinema ever since, and that was used back in the 1950s. The 1956 version of "The Ten Commandments," starring Charlton Heston, is a visual feast of the glory of ancient Egyptian civilization with popping colors everywhere and, of course, amazing architecture that just looks unlike anything from anywhere else.

>>512255234
>the future of media is AI generating personalized episodes and films from existing titles, tailored uniquely to each individual viewer. Followed by the viewer being able to interact with the characters in the shows.
so it will be a tabletop RPG directly with the source material

>>512266683
Totally agree, Egypt anon. Also, ancient Egyptian archaeology was my first intellectual love, if that counts for anything. I am still in love with history, an interest born of fascination with ancient Egypt.
And Hercules and Xena CGI is really entertaining in its own way nowadays, along with the general style of the shows themselves.
LotR was an amazing achievement and breakthrough. Really brought the feel of (made up) northern European mythology to the general public like nothing before had ever done, though some classic Disney films also relied on old European folk tales like from the Brothers Grimm.

>>512266705
I wish they could bring technicolor back and apply it to thee and a half hour sword and sandal epics set in "Bible days" and shit. Just ancient and medieval period dramas in lush, eye-popping technicolor. I'd pay to go to theaters again to see that.

The average worker in the industry has changed from a white male to some mystery meat sex case. White men aren't writing scripts. White men aren't operating the camera. White men aren't lighting the set... Consequently what you see in the cinema now is the product of subhumans and it shows.
t. ex white male crew member

>>512267156
I mean, they couldn't even tell whether what they eventually produced was technically possible when they started working on the project. Again, just watch the kind of CGI that was back then in the late 1990s (e.g. Hercules, Xena, The Mummy, etc...) it's as if LOTR CGI was from a totally different era even though it was made at that exact time. The Disney/Pixar stuff of the 1990s was fine, but these were cartoon movies, not a very complex CGI for a medieval era-like environment, with dragons, thousands of imaginary fighters and Orcs, etc...

Again, the whole thing was miraculous. And the fact that it was received positively by the average low IQ goyim was even more miraculous.

>>512252481
>Time is a flat circle
Humans lived in stable cultures that enjoyed the same activities and stories for huge amounts of time, only now does this future shock bullshit seem "normal" and coincidentally everything has gotten measurably and objectively worse at such an exponential rate you'd have to be fucking retarded to think our global civilization wasn't shitting itself to death.

Is lawrence of arabia a good movie about ww1 or is it jewish propaganda?

>>512267498
All great points, and well taken

>>512220628 (OP)
>"its from 2003, it never even got any Oscars"
>retard thinks (((crash))) has any merit

>>512220628 (OP)
Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012

>>512223975
yeah, those are all literal Jew slop propaganda in one form the other
>Moulin rouge- degenerate anti natal female whore propaganda
>pearl harbor- Jew ZOG propaganda
>swordfish- (((glowie))) IT class zog propaganda
>Evolution- Liberal college urbanite propaganda
>Shrek- Jew subversion of fairytales
>Animal- "rob schneider in fuck you" slop
>whats the worst- working class revenge Slop for goys so they dont get any ACTUAL ideas

Nepotism. The old Jews knew how to leave their propaganda into a captivating narrative, their kids, which were basically hired because of nepotism, lack even that basic skill

>>512223262
Pretty good take desu

I think a great microcosm of the monetary laziness is the replacement of voice actors in animated films with celebrities that have no training. It's shocking how fast the immersion breaks when the visual doesn't match the sound. But because celebrities are a draw and most animated films are shovelware for kids anyways, it'll still make 10x its budget. Hard for a studio to break the mold and make far-reaching impactful artful statements when you're being gatekept by the worst voice acting you've ever seen from Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

>>512266517
yeah, but unfortunately not that many allowed to make movies in that time in the USSR
are you talking about David Lean's movie or the newer Russian tv series?

>>512268353
yeah
this line-up is much, much better

>>512269675
predator was the best movie i saw as a kid and still holds up