Thread 512249762

Most people are fundamentally good.

>>512249762 (OP)
I'm not

>>512249762 (OP)
It would be more accurate to say, most people are judgmental (to varying degrees)
Which is completely ok btw

>>512249820
Why?

>>512249762 (OP)
If they look for “god”
Basic decency code downloads

See others as yourself

What is good?

>>512249762 (OP)
Noble savage is fake and gay

>>512249762 (OP)
niggers aren't good and there's a lot of niggers

>>512249762 (OP)
Debatable.
Fundamental grey.
Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to express an opinion otherwise.

>>512249848
Look up E-Prime to get really dialed in on accuracy. Ask an AI bot to kindly summarize, by chapter, Robert Anton Wilson Quantum Psychology and contextualize it against cultural and scientific events of the day and countercultural lineage and pros and cons of it and further reading etc etc

>>512249902
Essentially a disposition towards pro-social behavior. Care for and attentiveness towards the needs of others. Though this does need to be balanced against how others might exploit that

>>512249853
I am human

>>512250318
False from the very first sentence.

>>512249762 (OP)
Oh, bullshit.
Most people have an in-group preference of some kind or other that at least causes them to treat some people better than others.
Many, many people are just certified assholes who take advantage of anyone they can.
Many people are just plain fucking evil.
But even the best of people have some flaws that cause them to behave badly at times.
And some people are so used to being bad that you can actually see the surprise on their faces when they run into somebody else doing something they can't accept and find themselves taking the moral high ground for what might be the first time in their lives.
Humans really are a shitty species, there's not too much to recommend us.

>>512250120
Still it’s better to try and be good then choose any nihilist path because evil exists

We don’t live in heaven, or hell

>>512249820
You are created in the image of God, desu!

>>512250388
As am I, but I don't understand why this would prevent you from being good

>>512249853
hes a faggot
so all evil stems from him

>>512250483
Religious narcissism and nothing else.
If some god made humans in his image, he's not much of a god.

>>512249762 (OP)
No. But most people have capacity for good.

>>512250463
>Most people have an in-group preference of some kind or other that at least causes them to treat some people better than others.
Doesn't basically every culture, ever, anywhere, exhibit this in terms of how they treat their family versus everyone else?

>>512250534
When humans are born do they undertsand good or evil?

>>512250678
God is literally the only thing it’s not just humans
This is a wild place
All I can tell you
Some sort of pattern video game created simulation for sure when you figure it out

You’re a character you can literally level up
They want you to think your a speck of shit on a rock because tjey know what reality is more and they rule us.

>>512249762 (OP)
Most people are fundamentally retarded.

>>512250768
Yes.
Arguably this precludes everyone being basically good, because good should be inclined to treat people with equal justice.

>>512249762 (OP)
I want to fuck this girl but in 2015 not in 2025 she'd be a hag now.

>>512250802
Yes. The monkeys who survived the prehistoric Malthusian jungle which gave rise to homo sapiens did so because they developed the tendency to care about the other members of their tribe, and so
>protect them when they were injured
>have their aggression instinct skyrocket when their young were threatened
>see a starving member of their tribe and bring food to them
And all other such instincts

>>512249902
the truth is good.

>>512251291
But that's not being fundamentally good. It's maintaining the basic survival of a social species. There's an instinctual motivation to these actions. They're not done out of the goodness of their heart.

>>512250768
Yes, for good reason. It is easier to manage resources when some can be excluded.

>>512249762 (OP)
Platitudes don't mean much to me anymore after covid.
>that could never happen here
>our society believes in personal freedom
>papers please

>>512249762 (OP)
Not anymore.

>>512251020
The truth has been spoken.

>>512251577
Checked for being a kike.
I will burn for my sins and I will drag you to Hell for yours - no amount of redefining words will save you.

>>512251037
>because good should be inclined to treat people with equal justice.
I half-agree. I think it is important to treat members of my tribe more favorably than other tribes. But I also abhor and am disgusted by members of other tribes being treated poorly or as lesser within my territory. The solution I desire would be for other tribes to relocate to their own territories, and for us to mutually pursue self-improvement until we we mutually consented to merge

>>512249762 (OP)
Do you know a place called Pakistan?

>>512249762 (OP)
>Most people
If you remove gypsys, blacks, jews, and arabs from the definition of "people", then you're right

>>512249762 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_of_Priene

>>512249762 (OP)
I'm mentally ill

>>512251822
Nice overanalyzing fag. Any more brave and daring words?

>>512252062
That sounds ideal, but unequal treatment to begin with sets the groundwork for supremacism, whether it be ethnic, financial, social, or any other kind.
The kike's concept of "the other", a subject they fascinate about endlessly as they struggle to come to terms with their own ethnic supremacist culture in a world full of goyim, is a very real phenomenon not exclusive to them. It's just that most cultures aren't such mind-boggling assholes about it as they are, because most cultures find commonalities with others to bridge gaps and build acquaintances, while kikes seek to create distinctions and take advantage of the naivete of others.
They have a lot in common with the rich, that's why the unholy alliance of jews and rich people is such a problem and why Judaism has effectively become a cult of the rich that views itself as a separate species of sorts from the working class and the poor.

>>512249762 (OP)
What no way. Explain your logic op

>>512249762 (OP)
False. The overwhelming majority of people on earth are African, Indian, or Chinese.

>>512249762 (OP)
Don't care about the thread topic, just coming to say I love my wife Kirie.

>>512252976
I don't even know what anime that's from because the last time I remember really watching much anime was in the late 90s to early 2000s. I kind of miss having the time to do that, now I struggle with the notion of watching any viddie for 1 1/2 to 2 hours, much less getting hooked on a series. Even if it's just detracting from my time shitposting here, where frens sometimes say interesting things or show me things I wouldn't have learned otherwise.

>>512252587
>They have a lot in common with the rich
Yeah no shit. It's actually the rich. Not to absolve Jews from their annoying subversive bullshit but the whole reason they're given the room to do their https://youtu.be/vHSNZK4Je-Y bullshit is because of the upper class fucking everyone else over repeatedly

>>512252976
based best girl recognizer

>>512251577
That is (a part) of the goodness of their heart. At least in this reality.
You are expecting some sort of magical or supernatural goodness and looking in the material world for an answer.
That is retarded.

>>512251020
90% of evil people are stupid anyways. Most crime and evil actions would disappear overnight if we destroyed all sub 110-iq people.

>>512252153
MOST people, anon.

>>512253924
How would you define good?

>>512249762 (OP)
What does shit like this even mean? People will do what’s best for them whether that’s being polite or stepping on your throat because you looked at them funny.

>>512249762 (OP)
women discredit this statement

>>512254256
Hard question that can have many different answers without an ultimate proof.
Anyway, my most general notion of good is Pareto improvements (change to an existing situation that makes at least one person better off and no one worse off) regarding self-determination, understood as the degree of control you have over your own destiny.

>>512253782
They always serve power, even when they live among the poor. They're the eyes and ears of the rich among the working class. They do the bidding of the rich, that they might become rich themselves, and eventually marry or buy into the privileges of the rich. They've been doing it for centuries if not thousands of years with an avarice and indecency not seen in the average population in any country. They're spies, informers, and subversives. They seek any position of leadership, that they may better lead people astray. They're deputized by the wealthy wherever they're found.
The wealthy have always despised them, but as time's passed over centuries fortunes disappear and jews are there to take advantage. Estates are bought up, wealthy elites have offered privilege in exchange for marriage back into wealth, and jews have become the rich who once employed them.
It was always a devil's bargain, but can you find a rich person who isn't always ready to make a devil's bargain? They're as corrupt as the jews.
There is no redeeming either the jews or the rich. They're simply a branch of the tree of society which needs regular pruning, but which escapes the required maintenance due to their great height, and causes discomfort and inevitable disaster for the whole tree. They're a liability so long as humanity cannot bring itself to understand how to manage proper financial husbandry.

>>512249762 (OP)
Let's not waste any more time and get it fully accurate the first time; say this instead: God made man upright. Otherwise, that inaccurate stuff is loony leftist with no perspective coded.

>>512255133
>They're the eyes and ears of the rich
>It was always a devil's bargain, but can you find a rich person who isn't always ready to make a devil's bargain?
>They're as corrupt as Jews
Yeah in-fucking-deed dude, maybe the problem lies with these rich fucking faggots who have kept selling us out to them over and over again

>>512249762 (OP)

yes it is at some point before kali yuga begins

>>512255550
It's both. The rich have found their symbiote. The jews have found their host. They're a combined menace to humanity. It's true that jews are nothing without a host, but they're always seeking one and will take advantage wherever they can find it. They are malevolent as hell itself. Both groups should be viewed as extremely hostile in their own right, and as an existential threat when combined.

>>512250463
>>512250768
>>512251582
Why are niggers in White countries if we have an in-group preference that makes us ebilllll

>>512256626
Jews.
They run our country.
Their version of in-group preference as a minority seeking to disunite the majority causes them to promote immigration, racial disunity, and social disharmony in order to make the society easier to control from top down, despite being less amicable.

>>512249762 (OP)
You in the wrong neighborhood white boy

>>512249762 (OP)
How do you know? Do you a lot of people?

>>512249762 (OP)
People are only good when they're in a circumstance where they can afford it.
When people are actually placed under stress and pressure, only then do you see someone's real character rise to the surface, and while there are good people, there are just as many vile savages. In reality, you can never know until you've seen someone tested, but it really is something like a 50/50 split.
If you want civil people, you need civil society. Civil society goes away, and you'll find all these supposedly nice people devolve Lord of the Flies style before your eyes.

Whats good for someone else isnt necessarily good for me, good is subjective. This is a pointless thread.

>>512257431
good is not subjective
who it is good for is irrelevant since it would still be good, only the recipient of beneficiary would change
also, not knowing exactly what is good is an epistemological issue, and not a problem of what is good in itself

>>512249820
Shhhh

>>512256859
Now hold on, who was the majority in the US?
Who ALLOWED this to happen?
Whites, of course
And tell me, why did they not have their in-group preference act?
When their country was flooded
When they started to be discriminated
Why? Where is this "natural" thing?

>>512258361
If good can change from person to person, culture to culture and situation to situation it is by definition subjective. There is no universal good deed.

>>512249762 (OP)
Finish your sentence
>fundamentally good at being slaves to jews

>>512259757
People being mistaken in different ways about an objective thing does not mean shit about the nature of the thing in itself. Also, universal is the opposite of relative, not the opposite of subjective.

>>512249762 (OP)
I genuinely disbelieve this.

>>512259692
Wealth disparity.
The rich always work against the poor.
It isn't hard to understand.
There are more in-group preferences than race.

>>512249762 (OP)
most people are fundamentally fucking retarded

>>512249762 (OP)
Most people are neither good nor evil, most people are just animals who do what's in their best interests.

>>512261359
Did your brain break?
Dumb nigger shilling kike.

>>512261359
>muh class consciousness
go the fuck back faggot nigger, this site isn't for you

>>512249762 (OP)
You're a weeb, you're not good at all

>>512250483
God isn't good. He drowned nearly every animal and human on earth because he was mad at some people's behavior - even though they're all created in his image. Psychotic behavior desu.

>>512261523
>Turning National Socialism into Capitalism
You're a traitor to your race and to your people.

>>512249762 (OP)
Disagree.

Humans are inherently self-interested. Any person, if they have the option, will always take the action that gives them or their offspring the greatest advantage. The only reason they wouldn't do that is if they actively resist doing it, or if helping someone provided some other perceived benefit.

Humans are still DNA-based organisms. All DNA organisms are programmed to obtain the maximum resources they can at the expense of everything else. So this is unavoidable. While some people have developed social behavior that enables them to circumvent this and cooperate with others, even in a selfless way, most people remain complete sociopaths, and the number is growing over time in the modern era.

Simply put, the majority of people are bad. Horrific sociopaths that would kill you for a dollar, and many would do it for free, for fun, if they knew there were no consequences for doing so. Why do you think we developed laws?

>>512261754
"Wealth disparity" is the language of the Marxist. The national socialist has no problem with wealth and industriousness if it's being used to benefit the volk. And no, that doesn't mean through taxation and redistribution. Go take your kike praxis elsewhere.

No they are just powerless

>>512249762 (OP)
What makes them not good? Society?

I tend to not believe this as proper socialization tends to be the only thing that makes people good, and without a lot of reinforcement people will be apathetic or evil pretty quickly. Have you not noticed how criminal certain cultures are once their "people" started invading Europe?

>>512260190
I feel like you're being dumb on purpose. Objective reality requires a measurement or a physical presence. You cannot measure good with any standard record. There is no wavelength for good like color. There is no way to record good outside of your own judgment and interpretation which by definition makes it subjective.
Just because a single person, or even a lot of people, consider something good does not make it a scientific fact. It's simply an opinion, and all opinions are subjective by definition

>>512262437
>Objective reality requires a measurement or a physical presence.
Wrong. The mathematical structure of our universe does not require a measurement for it to be. Reality is measured to be known, or at least to approach knowledge. That by itself is merely an epistemological problem, and it does not determine the nature of the thing or process in itself, in this case goodness.
>You cannot measure good with any standard record.
Epistemological or conceptual problem. Does not prove anything.
>There is no wavelength for good like color.
There is no mass to light, yet it still is an objective phenomenon. This is just an issue of not using the proper conceptual framework to grasp the pertinent phenomenon (that is to say, no, idiot, wavelenght is not how you try to understand this properly).
>There is no way to record good outside of your own judgment and interpretation
Of course there is, and from many different disciplines. From the neurological correlates of different kinds of ethical behavior to the evolutionary analysis of the emergence of prosocial behavior.
>which by definition makes it subjective
Not really. Subjective can have slightly different definitions. If it means subject to opinion, then it remains not subjective since opinion can only be based on what you know, and faulty knowledge about what is good does not mean that goodness is dependent on aforementioned opinion, but rather only what people report on it. If it means "mind dependent", then one can say that it is not dependent on any given mind, but rather on the inherent nature of our kind of minds, which rests on objective factors (for example, aforementioned neural correlates and evolutionary history).
>Just because a single person, or even a lot of people, consider something good does not make it a scientific fact.
Literally nobody said this.
>It's simply an opinion, and all opinions are subjective by definition
This has already been addressed.

>>512261754
>iz duh rich
No, it's non Whites faggot