Thread 512261284

Used to be a 4chan lurker, now not so much but I still see 4chan as something of a window into the mind of an alt right/conservative person. So based on that I just have some questions I'd appreciate clarification on.

1) are you under the impression that your ancient ancestors were anything other than brown skinned? And if so can you link some papers on that?

2) Are you in favor of the starvation and outright bombing of Palestinians?

3) are you Christian? And if so would you bar other human beings from attempting to create a heaven on earth as opposed to putting that responsibility in the hands of God on the other side of the grave?


Also I am non-white but I work with a lot of white people and have a lot of white friends. Where are all of these exceptionally racist white people in real life? I can't find them. Class unity against billionaires and corporations seems to be a pretty unifying cause across the board. Where am I mistaken and why. Thanks

>>512261284 (OP)
Nope
4chan is now a muslim/Chinese psyop toilet

>>512261284 (OP)
>1) are you under the impression that your ancient ancestors were anything other than brown skinned? And if so can you link some papers on that?

>muh science tm propaganda told me we are all niggers in the beginning, literally apes bro
retard

>2) Are you in favor of the starvation and outright bombing of Palestinians?
do you think they get bombed bc ahmet mohammed was innocent dindu nothing?
they get bombed bc they threaten other people with terrorism thats why they get bombed, retard

> are you Christian?
i believe in god, does it really matter what word you use, idiot npc

>>512261284 (OP)
My ancestors were never ever black or brown and you can't prove they were. My ancestors are from the Pleiades.

I don't give a fuck about Palestinians. I am in favor of Israel starving and getting bombed.

I am a true Christian. I believe in Jesus but none of that jew stuff.

We are all around you, constantly saying nigger in our heads while we patronize you and pretend you're equal for the time being. We're not doing a color revolution with you get over it.

>>512261284 (OP)
1. My family is entirely of European blood.
2. No.
3. No.
>I am non-white
>Where are all of these exceptionally racist white people in real life?
We avoid you.

It is an absolute fact that white people and black people share a common ancestor with pic related or something like it.

White skin was an evolution from maybe 100 or 300 thousand years ago when humans figured out how to live in the snow, which they did, and the needs of snowy climate required clothing, and so although blacks and whites are leaves on the same proverbial tree, the amount of positive evolution from that source to each branch, is different because one was exposed to the filtration of living in the north, and the other stayed behind, and today, still remains pic related.

Human evolution has a throttle and white people leaned harder on that throttle, and so the unfortunate fact is that since evolution is perhaps the most valuable thing in the entire universe, the races that have a lot of it, are more valuable than the races that don't have as much of it.

It's not a hatred, it's pragmatism, you pick the best item off the store shelf right? Humans do the same thing. Quality is a function of filtration, and environment is a filtration system.

>>512261641
It is an absolute theory that white people do. It is an absolute fact that niggers do.

>>512261720
A testable proof that black people and white people share a common ancestor with a great ape, can be performed and the test has been performed to the satisfaction of science, such that it can be called a fact that white people and black people do share a common ancestor with one of the great apes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYhAaX-pizA

>1.) Do you think your ancestors were white
Yes
>Do you have a paper
Nope.
>2.) Are you in favor of starvation and bombing?
Yes, because I want peace in that region of the world and the only way that happens is if one side is wiped out
>But it should be Israel
That's not gonna happen without a major war no one wants to fight. The Palestinians shouldn't have kept poking the bear if they didn't want to get mauled. They only have themselves to blame for not taking the two state solution they kept getting offered and bombing Israel.
>Are you pro heaven on earth
No, cause humans will just fuck it up and make a distopian hell. We poisoned the planet with lead, plastic, carbon dioxide and caused several major extinctions. If you think we can build heaven on earth you severely overestimate humanities abilities.

>>512261825
Science is fake and gay and so are you. Niggers were a different species until they 80s when the first niggers learned how to read.

>>512261284 (OP)
Nigger

>>512261350
interesting, a thought in the back of my mind, increasingly now than ever, is to what degree any internet interaction is with other "real" people

>>512261380
thanks for the reply but not sure if there is much here i can converse with.

>>512261619
But like do you think the first humans, proto people or whatever, had snow white skin? or?

not sure what a color revolution is, what is that

>>512261621
ok but like where did the Europeans come from? your ancestors weren't white forever if you go far enough back. Do you stop considering them your ancestors when you start to see some brown or?

can you tell me a bit about white replacement theory? like do you believe if everyone threw caution to the wind and started mixing together more and making babies, do you think white skin would disappear or something?

niggers came from Cain fucking an ape. God made man, but Cain made niggers. whites don’t carry the proto ape monkey gene, only niggers do. however if you have white blood in your veins you are that much closer to being full human. thats why niggers in africa hate niggers from america

>>512261641
so you believe white skin is advantageous on net evolutionarily speaking? hard for me to wrap my head around that considering biology.

anyways so you agree that somewhere in your tree is someone brown, but you just think your better than them so you reject them as your ancestor? I don't want to misrepresent what you're saying.

>>512261284 (OP)
>1) are you under the impression that your ancient ancestors were anything other than brown skinned? And if so can you link some papers on that?
Elaborate on what you mean by ancient. Are we talking upper pleistocene pioneers or mesolithic fishers? Because the idea that fair skin suddenly pops up as part of some great diffusion of Anatolian farmers is certainly bogus.
>2)
No.
3)
No.

>>512261284 (OP)
>1) are you under the impression that your ancient ancestors were anything other than brown skinned? And if so can you link some papers on that?

Melanin concentration in one's skin is less than a tertiary metric when it comes to race, history, and nation (in the sense of a people). The amount of melanin in the skin of my ancient European ancestors has no bearing on whether they were links in a chain of people who became modern Europeans, rather than links in a chain of people who became modern Africans.

>2) Are you in favor of the starvation and outright bombing of Palestinians?

Depends on the Palestinian

>3) are you Christian? And if so would you bar other human beings from attempting to create a heaven on earth as opposed to putting that responsibility in the hands of God on the other side of the grave?

God will bring about Heaven on earth, and this cannot be avoided. Humans are incapable of creating Heaven, and any attempt to do so would be marred by hubris and doomed to failure. If you're asking whether I would bar people from trying to make the world a better place, then that depends on what they're doing to make the world a better place, and whether I believed it actually improved the world or made it worse.

>>512261284 (OP)
The posters on this board are predominantly brown mexicans.

>>512262077

I think Christianity does the believer a bit of a disservice in that sense. in that, it passes the buck of responsibility for the planet from the hands of man to something in the sky or on the other side of death.

>>512262942
Well i mean just keep going back, you're going to get someone brown eventually. do you disagree?

>>512261284 (OP)
1) I am indifferent. We exist now and have a right to continue to exist.

2) I don't support it but as tragic as it is I don't see it as something we should be involved in either way. Cut Israel loose for sure, embargo it at most, but accepting Palestinians as refugees or making a direct military intervention would be a mistake.

3) Yes. What the money power is building is the exact opposite of a heaven on Earth so the rest of the question is moot.

>>512263023
I appreciate the nuance of your statement but i cant help but feel your avoiding the issue, my point being that the white man did not pop into existence from 0 predecessor,

so when your tree starts to turn increasingly brown, how do you...grapple with that?

>>512261284 (OP)
>Israeli data mining thread with responses from pajeets and glowing operatives
NGMI

>>512263084
>Genisis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
God grants man both the right and the responsibility to rule the planet. God doesn't promise to do the work for us.

>>512263338
>but i cant help but feel your avoiding the issue

No, I just disagree that your point matters. Race isn't skin color, and I don't think skin color matters on its own. Other than aesthetics and sunscreen requirements, melanin concentration has very little effect on what a race is or how that race behaves. What differentiates a snow-white European from someone of a darker race isn't their skin color, but tens or hundreds of thousands of years of geographic separation, leading to significantly divergent evolutionary paths. Thought patterns, generalized behavioral norms, etc define a race more than melanin concentration.

>so when your tree starts to turn increasingly brown, how do you...grapple with that?

You don't, because you only have one lifetime to live, and then you're gone. You don't get to experience thousands of years of evolutionary change, because you're dead. If your implication is that becoming "increasingly brown" is a result of interracial reproduction, your bigger problems are going to be the mental/behavioral condition of your descendants, and their lower IQ. Again, the melanin concentration is tertiary at best.

>>512263233

>I am indifferent. We exist now and have a right to continue to exist.

i just find it strange to essentially ignore what is part of your heritage when things start to go brown. it might be cheesy, but at a certain point, far enough back, we are all the same, right? or are there like white super natural alien descendant creation stories that I am not aware of?

Also do you believe whiteness as a phenotype would disappear if society more so embraced interracial breeding? I think even if we mixed up a lot more, just by virtue of the randomness of gene expression, combinations of people will always pop up, including white people.


It sounds like you're opposed to corporate greed, not a genuine attempted at utopia, world peace, or immortality. or am i misreading you?

>>512263603
and yet, most Christians half expect a flaming chariot to appear in the sky and solve the worlds issues any day now correct?

So you're ok with, or even in favor of immortality research and attempts at utopia/world peace?

>>512263714
>it might be cheesy, but at a certain point, far enough back, we are all the same, right?

Far enough back, we are descended from the same common ancestor, but "we" are not the same, because "we" are not that ancestor. We are two different paths those genes took through history, evolving differently, making different choices, learning different things. And so "we," here and now in the present, are different from each other.

>>512261641
blacks have a ghost ancestor hominid which is where they get their black skin.
Whites and asians do not have that ghost ancestor hominid.
And if you look at how early humans skin colour looked like it was more of a med olive skin than black.

And evolution is just the genetics of a certain survivor population being pushed while the ones that dont survive die off, if people with white skin, high iq and emotional intelligence managed to survive their genetics while the black skinned, low iq and no emotional intelligence ones did not pass on then why the fuck would I want to support the failures of evolution by treating them the same as my own.

Evolution confirms racism and actually defends it, it does not disprove it.

>>512263714
I view this argument as essentially equivalent to saying "the world existed before you were born and will exist after you die, so why don't you just let me murder you you fucking racist?" It's beneath consideration.

>It sounds like you're opposed to corporate greed, not a genuine attempted at utopia, world peace, or immortality. or am i misreading you?

I basically agree with the other guy that there is no utopia Man can build for himself, I just deny that's even what anyone is trying to do and consider that a more relevant response than repeating what he already said so eloquently.

This is probably aome nigger girl with a hair hat on from tik tok live panels gonna go on later and say she talked to 4chan and figured out white people and Yada Yada Yada

Fuck out of here

>>512263845
but wouldn't that make us family none the less? Realistically the average white man is closer to the average black man in terms of resources, choices, access, etc than they are in proximity to the extremely wealthy. I just feel like we have bigger fish to fry than petty stuff.

would you really prefer to live as a slightly better off slave to a billionaire, than unify with another working class person of color in the pursuit of a less grossly imbalanced society and economy?

>>512263837
>Flaming chariot
Kek, you clearly haven't read revelations have you? The Apocalypse happens, all the true Christians alive and dead are taken to heaven and then the Antichrist takes over the world for thousands of years then God fight a war and destroys the earth.
>So you are in favor of ...
No, immortality would make the world infinitely shitty as you would create super boomers who would never pass on their wealth. Life is meant to be temporary, you have to be willing to share the world with the next generation and that means leaving when its your turn, not being a giant coward who lives simply because he is too afraid to face death.
>Utopia
So many people have died horrible deaths in the name of utopia. No I would rather live a good life rather than trying to build some perfect world.
>World peace
Sure go for it if you can achieve it, at least that seems doable.

>>512264131
>I view this argument as essentially equivalent to saying "the world existed before you were born and will exist after you die, so why don't you just let me murder you you fucking racist?" It's beneath consideration.


where did this come from, what's the connection?

>>512261284 (OP)

1. Yes my ancestors were white. No papers.
2. In terms of Palestine, it's a case of 'you reap what you sow', what did they expect from October 7th? I have no control over their fate and neither does anyone else in the West. It is delusional narcissism to think your opinion will make any difference at all.
3. Yes I'm Christian. Creating heaven on earth is frankly not possible. Again, delusional narcissism.

There are such a thing as private and public opinions. In public among non whites I don't tell them my racist views. It's not worth the trouble.

In my experience, among whites in private, there is absolute consensus at this point, remove the lot of you.

Whinging about class consciousness and billionaires is the typical communist bullshit I expect from your 3rd world invaders. And only further justifies your removal from our soil.

>>512264188
well maybe not mandatory immortality but at least make death a choice, so that you know, the jesus freaks who want to die can go and do that if they want and everyone else who wants to live can do that as well.

fair?

>>512264490
>Fair
No, the next generation have a right to the world. The past generations don't have the right for a forever monopoly. Imagine how terrible the world would be when populations are exponential. The value of human life will plummet to worth less than shit. The whole world will be living in squalor. People have to die to balance out new people coming into the world. I can only imagine how backwards and authoritarian that world would be.

>>512264703
is it a result of too many dystopian movies or maybe a lack of imagination? or maybe pessimism? scarcity is an illusion we literally have an infinite universe above our heads, there is more than enough space and energy for an immortal mankind. there is more than enough space and energy and food for everyone right now. its just a matter of distribution.

>>512264182
>Realistically the average white man is closer to the average black man in terms of resources, choices, access, etc than they are in proximity to the extremely wealthy.
The average black man has an iq of about 85.
An iq of 70 put you in mental retardation category. Meanwhile average white iq is 103 in the US.
Black african iq in africa is in the 60s.

Whites are living in an utter nightmare in the US where they have to support a good 40-50 percent of the population that is just takers.
If you look at who pays more taxes and who takes more per capita, you will see only whites and asians contribute more taxes than they take while all other takes and take and take.

>>512261284 (OP)
>would you bar other human beings from attempting to create a heaven on earth
I fucking despise you absolute faggots.

>>512264255
You never put it so simply but the basic argument you're making is that Europeans, or any particular European ethnicity, didn't always exist so there's no reason to care about people taking action to make them not exist anymore. You never will put it that simply because it gives the game away, but beneath all those words that's all I can find. And it's clearly malice driving you so what is there to argue about?

>>512264856
>We have enough space, energy and food for everyone right now.
Is that why housing is exploding in cost? I know why don't we destroy more forest and cause more extinctions to build more housing. Then when the next generation comes repeat the process until the entire world is just urban sprawl. We have enough food now so let's double the demand, triple? I mean sure we can only eat bugs now, but we have enough for everyone. Energy? The demand has only been going up and the two most sustainable sources are nonrenewable, but I am sure that won't be a problem for 100 years? 500 years? 1000 years? All with populations exponentially growing. I know we can just colonize mars. Mars that will take centuries and technology way beyond our grasp to colonize. Well I am sure we finish colonizing it before the unbearable burden we placed upon ourselves collapses everything. I mean I am sure those young kids will be happy that their great great great grandparents are ruining the world for them and refuse to leave or stop.

>>512261284 (OP)
Nigger.

>>512264945
This is a profoundly deep insecurity. never in my life, have i ever thought or sought or dreamt of the eradication of any people group, including white people.

so idk if thats projection or maybe the echos of past really bad conversations but thats not me.

secondly i dont see who is trying to eradicate white people and how they are going about this, can you tell me? again maybe i have a faulty understanding biologically, but from what i understand, even if everyone mated together interracially, random expressions will always pop up, "white" will always exist in genetic code. you're not going anywhere you're never going to disappear, what are you afraid of?

>>512262605
There is no common ancestor. White people are aliens.

We're not uniting with you to bring about a socialist communist Marxist revolution. It's not going to happen.

>>512265100
>we can only eat bugs now,


no one has to eat bugs, in fact really no one would have to compromise on the lavishness of their current existence, it would only become more extravagant and luxurious. Nuclear energy for example is unbelievably abundant. a cup of enriched uranium could supply the energy needs of an individual for their entire life. Abundant energy unlocks things like desalinization of ocean water for irrigation, the extraction of nitrogen from the air to make fertilizer, farm raised fish, golden rice, ....etc

there is a lot of good news and so many ways technology could be used to humanity's benefit.

>>512261284 (OP)
1. The issue isn't the color of skin, but instead ancient cultural and genetic schisms that prevent us from understanding each other well enough to prevent violence. You can't accuse white people of racism and then turn around and say brown people can't be racist without causing problems, and a lot of 4Chuds grew up under that yoke. Push hard enough, and segregation is the only peaceful resolution.

2. I don't concern myself with parts of the world I can't see for myself. For all I know we're all watching a Hollywood production and this is another War of the Worlds situation. Love thy neighbor and all.

3. Yes, I'm Christian. The responsibility is in God's hands on Earth and in Heaven. My job is to do as He asks and not get in the way. Also consider that what many people consider "Heaven on Earth" is being allowed to indulge in the Seven Deadly Sins without consequence. Spend time reconsidering your notion of Heaven.

>>512265397
>This is a profoundly deep insecurity. never in my life, have i ever thought or sought or dreamt of the eradication of any people group, including white people. So idk if thats projection or maybe the echos of past really bad conversations but thats not me.

Spare me. Nobody has any difficulty understanding what's happening when China floods Tibet or Sinkiang with Han Chinese. This is about outcomes, not motives, although as previously stated I think the motives for flooding the West with racial aliens are greed and malice anyway.

>secondly i dont see who is trying to eradicate white people and how they are going about this, can you tell me? again maybe i have a faulty understanding biologically, but from what i understand, even if everyone mated together interracially, random expressions will always pop up, "white" will always exist in genetic code. you're not going anywhere you're never going to disappear, what are you afraid of?
You are mistaken. Also I thought this wasn't happening, what changed your mind?

>>512265970
>no compromise on lavishness
Immortality would cause an explosion in population. Who many 50 years old would have kids if they didn't think they were going to die in the next 20 years? How many people would do so at 100 or 200. The earth has a carrying capacity because it is finite. Which we would rapidly approach if we had immortality. Why do you think smart rich people like Schwab want people to start eating bugs and living in pods? It because they have run the math and found that with population trends as they are now it is the only sustainable future. Depopulation is actually good for quality of life. If you want evidence just look at what the black plague did to quality of life, of the people who survived. People consume tons of resources to survive and adding billions of more on top of that would mean something would have to give. It also would destroy the environment making the world that everyone was living in extraordinarily worse.>>512265970

>>512266262
I'm mistaken? so what are you trying to tell me? that whatness has a disposition towards disappearing if left to chance? do you really believe that?

>Also I thought this wasn't happening, what changed your mind?

what? race mixing? immigration? I don't deny that these things happen but I think its a bit unrealistic to say it will lead to the eradication of white features. theres 10 billion people on this planet you can find every combination of persons, its just such a strange fear. So strange that i assume i must not be talking about the right thing.

>>512261284 (OP)
>And if so can you link some papers on that?
Yeah, I'll get right on that after I'm done anally violating your mom.

>>512266352
like i said, scarcity is an illusion, we have quantum computers and landfills in the same country, do you think world hunger is a logistical problem? are you concerned about lack of access to water? like what specifically do you imagine to be a major obstacle for an immortal humanity that couldn't be solved? we can go to the moon, make quantum computers, put cellphones in the hands of half the world, manipulate dna through crispr, etc etc etc etc

but you don't think we could reach everyone with a sandwich? Its a problem i think when we sooner see the end of the world than alternatives to the status quo.

>>512266254
>1. The issue isn't the color of skin, but instead ancient cultural and genetic schisms that prevent us from understanding each other well enough to prevent violence.

such as?

>>512266868
>Scarcity is an illusion because you have nice things
Scarcity is real you just live in a rich nation so it is hard for you to understand it.
>Deliver a sand which
Its not so much about the getting it there its about producing it. Meat production takes a lot of land. Land that will probably be reallocated to housing in a post death world. That means everyone will have to go vegan eventually and or eat bugs as a protein supplement. The quantum computer doesn't really solve the cows needing a lot of land to graze. It also doesn't solve the mass extinctions that are cause by turning all that land into housing or the resources to turn the entirety of earth's surface into urban sprawl.
>What are major issues that you think couldn't be solved
Energy for one. We already consume a ton of energy to live the lives that we do. Sure nuclear can stall, but eventually we will run out of nuclear material. It also means preventing political revolutions from people who are forever at the bottom of the totem pole because of immortality. The young rise as the old age and die. If the old don't do that the old will occupy the top forever. Finally the last one is just physical space. The earth only has so much room for everyone to live and with a rapidly growing population eventually you are going to run out of it.
>Much mars
Colonization of mars is going to take way longer to achieve than immortality creating a count down. If we can't beat the countdown we are destine to collapse.