Thread 512278574

In the Russian school of thought, the first step is always to destabilize the enemy country. For decades they spoon-fed propaganda in the US and it was so easy because of the 2-party system. With Democrats they repeated
>Republicans are racist whites
while promoting the woke culture to supporters. With Republicans they told Democrats want to take your guns, freedoms and religion. At no point did anyone stop to think that this may be foreign agents trying to destabilize our country. It wasn't organic. The closest to it being organic is the rather simple uneducated American, not the sharpest pencil in the pencil case, who did not recognize the source coming from a foreign agent, and then brought it up at a family dinner. At this point, foreign intelligence organizations only have to pour gas on the fire.

But why do Russians think destabilizing the enemy country is needed? What we now know about the Mossad-Epstein connection, having compromized politicians in the pocket and have them run for high offices, makes the whole destabilizing phase seem kind of unnecessary. I mean, Americans would probably suspect nothing if everything was seemingly fine in the country?

governments are usually their own enemy and don't need to be subverted. all opfor needs to do is show that it's no worse in their nation overall and suddenly no one really wants to fight for their own nation against opfor.

>>512278574 (OP)
republicans and democrats are indeed "(((white)))" racist kikes that want to take away your guns, freedom and religion, so there no was need to propagandize it because it's true.

>>512278574 (OP)
>For decades they spoon-fed propaganda in the US and it was so easy because of the 2-party system.
It was so easy because jews own the press.

Yuri Bezmenov never actually worked for the KGB. He was however a CIA asset

>>512278574 (OP)
>they told Democrats want to take your guns, freedoms and religion
Obama literally said and did all of this on his own, shut the fuck up Mongol.

>>512278574 (OP)
republicans and democrats are indeed "(((white)))" racist kikes that want to take away your guns, freedom and religion, so there no was no need to propagandize it because it's true.

>>512279106
>>512279094
Who was the first democrat who openly said this? Because the Black Panthers were Democrats and they in fact wanted to hold on to their guns, freedoms and religion. Pull your head out of your ass. The original source was a foreign agent.

>>512278574 (OP)
>>512278574 (OP)
KGB doesn't exist for decades, in fact, just one year after that faggot, Gorbachev came to power and destroyed Soviet Union and eastern Europe, giving it all to American Neocons, after that he immigrated to USA.
Destabilization is a strategy and foreign policy of US and EU, countries like Russia are obsessed with stability, not to mention that Russian media is banned in all western countries so they aren't even able to destabilize, while US has monopoly on the news media, Hollywood, music, all internet companies etc.

Glowie shills are hilarious. Trying to link Epstein a CIA and Mossad guy with KGB lmao

>>512278574 (OP)
He was a KGB defector paid by the CIA to promote anti Soviet and pro Capitalist narratives. Nobody had ever heard of him or his shite until they put him in a computar game. But anyway, enjoy your multi racial Boomer Capitalism.

>>512278574 (OP)
without russia shilling, trump would be elected and everything would still be in naive democrat mode

russians stir the pot and stirring leads to problem solving. you should unironically be grateful to russians

people just dont like prolem solving becaus ethey dont like having to think, change and do efforts. lazy selfish punks

atleast the russians showed us how racist blacks are with black lives matter, and the traitorous/naive whites among us

>>512279676
Trump won 12 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016

>>512279727
trump wouldn't*

>>512279786
He would, in fact he won a lot more votes in 2nd and 3rd election, in 2016 he actually lost popular vote to Hillary Russiagate hoax was debunked, have you been living under a rock? Fuck Trump btw

>>512279604
>US has monopoly on the news media, Hollywood, music, all internet companies
You mean Jews who are mostly of Russian origin?
If Russia is indeed obsessed with stability, why are they trying to destabilize EU and NATO then?

>>512280046
No, I mean Americans, Jews or not, they are American citizens that control your media, Hollywood, internet, information space, everything.

>If Russia is indeed obsessed with stability, why are they trying to destabilize EU and NATO then

It's the other way around, after US collapsed eastern Europe and American Billionaires and Russian Jewish billionaires looted the country during the 1990s, the moment Russia started recovering, US started financing color revolutions and coups around it, trying to collapse it again and politically capture it like they did with rest of Europe.
Russia doesn't have any ability to destabilize anyone in NATO/EU as their political influence and media are banned and under 18 thousand sanctions from the Collective West.

>>512278574 (OP)
As a former soviet hohol shouldn't you explain the KGB reasoning better than anyone?

>>512280239
I know Russia has poor abilities but they still want to destabilize EU and NATO. And then there was the election interference before the first Trump government. That was proven and also admitted by Russia. Russian bots were all over social media stirring shit between the 2-parties.

>>512278574 (OP)
Democrats are racist whites

>>512280630
All I know is that Supo and KGB both originate from Okhrana. During the Grand Duchy of Finland Okhrana was responsible for oppressing all efforts of the Finnish independence movement. In Russia they were tasked to infiltrate any group opposing the Tsar. The original purpose of the Tsar's secret police was to infiltrate and destroy all opposition to the Tsar. They even infiltrated the Bolsheviks but someone clearly fucked up hard.
But neither was tasked with destabilizing foreing nations. That was a much later development of the KGB, which is what this thread is about. I don't fully understand the reasoning behind it because they have been caught multiple times and now people are aware of it. Just seems like a lot of wasted resources.

>>512278574 (OP)
just shows how dumbed down and stupid burgers are.

>>512278574 (OP)
>But why do Russians think destabilizing the enemy country is needed?
the soviet reasoning was to prep the proles for gommie rhetoric, thus allowing you to plant further revolutionary seeds (or any other type of disinfo for that matter, as it softens one up for that too) all throughout different levels of society. many of which will likely grow on their own without you even needing to tend to them. end goal was to cause some sort of gommie revolution, which at best, would yield a pinko vassal/ally cunt, or at worse, effectively destabilize the cunt and knock them out of the race.
so it was ordered that way because it was the back-up or failsafe. even if they couldnt get the cunt to fully flip to their side of the cold war, it would be broken enough to no longer be a threat.
nowadays, id assume its mostly just tradition, and no one having any better ideas on how to do it with their current intelligence structure (that being one where theyre mostly adversarial to the rest of the world)

the mossad does something quite different, and tho you do see russians apply it when they can, it basically requires you to be in close with the target FIRST. its essentially mob intimidation tactics. you gain trust, then use that trust to betray them and get them into a compromising situation. then you can just carrot/stick with the blackmail to vassalize/control the cunt. much cleaner, but much much harder to do, and its difficulty scales with the individual power lvl that your target has. which can be quite high in terms of blackmailing US leaders, as you still need to keep that information hidden from them somehow.
the obv issue for russians in applying that rn, is that theyre already on a lot of cunts shitlists. so they fall back on ol reliable:
>demoralize
>destabilize
>subvert

>>512278574 (OP)
Russia didn’t successfully destabilise anything in the western world. Don’t go thinking that fake interview was actually true and not a Reagan-era propaganda piece meant to frighten the population of the evil commies as sold by a dude who probably realised he could make a good career and cash grifting in the U.S. who was desperate to blame an outside source for the internal decay they had experienced in the 70’s.

>>512281662
>mostly just tradition, and no one having any better ideas on how to do it
Do they really? Nobody done any studies on how effective it is?. Because it seems like a lot of wasted resources. Or could it be corruption? Corruption levels in the Russian government are incredibly high, people wouldn't believe it. Could it just be a way of employing themselves? They say to the people, we really need this, and they happily pay? I bet if there was something like DOGE in the Russian government, this shit would be the first to go.

>>512281904
Your post has one big problem though. The KGB did this to European countries as well. Not the same way though, it was mostly anti-american propaganda and infiltrating anti-communist groups. In all fairness I must say the CIA also infiltrated communist groups and put out a lot of anti-Soviet propaganda.

>>512282356
>Nobody done any studies on how effective it is?
its extremely effective, what are you talking about?
look at /pol/
theres a genuine contingent of unironic maoist turdworldists
how tf do you think THAT happened if demoralization wasnt effective as a disinformation tool?

>Or could it be corruption? Corruption levels in the Russian government are incredibly high, people wouldn't believe it
the diff between russian corruption and elsewhere is that in russia, corruption IS the system. its fully legitimized. they basically reverted to feudalism because gommunism had failed so hard. so compare it to feudalism and it makes sense.
why does the tsar requisition half the grain?
because hes the fucking tsar. duh. thats his job.
why do russians put up with putin and his cronies?
because hes the fucking tsar.
you gotta kiss the ring to do anything.

>Could it just be a way of employing themselves? They say to the people, we really need this, and they happily pay?
it doesnt cost that much. at this point you can literally just automate it on the internet. even before muh AI shit recently, how hard was it to make a botnet that spams gay demoralization threads across the internet? ive known autists who made botnets for fun like 15yrs ago. its not tough, and it doesnt require many resources.
and the "best" part about the tactic: once you get your targets demoralized enough, they start demoralizing everyone around them for free. you dont even have to do anything.

>>512279604
When are you going back to russia?

>>512283397
>look at /pol/
I dunno, here everyone is a jew, tranny, russian, chinese or jeet, until proven otherwise. The catalog is filled with the same shill threads 24/7 and it takes time for them to reach bump limit. I've never done it but I would imagine being a shill on /pol/ must be time consuming work, and in the end most reasonable /pol/tards know that it's a shill/slide thread. Meaning they won't believe a thing it says. So the shills spend a lot of time shitting up the catalog with perhaps a couple newfags taking the bait. I can't really believe this is cost-effective, versus writing a legit book or something.