Thread 512280390

I used to think people who don't have an "inner monologue" are fucking retarded but I slowly came to realize most of the people who do, literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words.

What are the political implications of not being able to construct thoughts without using the terminology and rhetorical patterns you picked up from the engineered language of an engineered society?

there's an arch linux logo there because he uses arch btw

>>512280390 (OP)
talk about cope.
sad, many such cases.

>>512280390 (OP)
Picturing non words is imagination.

we had this gay thread 1 hour ago and it died from faggism

>>512280524
It should probably be a bunch of globohomo brand symbols and political movement flags.

If you aren't able to coherently rationalize thoughts as part of an internal dialogue, you're likely someone with a low-IQ. You're a camera with no one manning it. Any philosopher (since they tend to be intelligent) could tell you there is an outward face which you present to all those around you, and the internal true self who is the real you. Coincidentally, people who do not have an internal dialogue often cannot comprehend philosophy :)

>>512280390 (OP)
I hate that faggot midwit so much Hank or whatever the fuck is name is, I would torture him un my basement everyday for years

>>512280635
>coherently rationalize thoughts as part of an internal dialogue
NPCs do this constantly.

>>512280390 (OP)
Really some people don't have an internal monologue?

>>512280390 (OP)
>I slowly came to realize most of the people who do, literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words
This is completely untrue. You're acting like people WITH an internal monologue are incapable of processing any kind of thought without passing it through a verbal layer, which is plainly false. We do not go around narrating our life verbally to comprehend the world around us, we are more than capable of abstract thought, when I drive a car I'm not telling myself I need to turn the wheel or push the accelerator verbally it is an automatic intuitive response formed as an abstract concept with regard to what I'm seeing and feeling around me.

>>512280390 (OP)
Found the subhuman

>>512280390 (OP)
Internal monologue is not a bunch of random symbols what the fuck is he on about

>>512280390 (OP)
They aren't mutually exclusive, you mental midget.

Internal monologue is another made up fucking stupid thing that shitlennials made up so they can be more of a snowflake.

>>512280390 (OP)
Why does hank have the zoomer hair cut dude is like 50

>>512280783
>We
>we
>I
>I
>I'm
>You're acting like
I'm not "acting like". I'm just pointing something out, which stands unrefuted so far.

>>512280712
It is the exact opposite.
I've watched a video of a woman who had no internal dialogue and it took her until her 40s to realize her parents would someday die. Peak NPC behavior.

>>512280892
>I've watched a video of a woman who had no internal dialogue
Very cool. What does this have to do with what I've just pointed out to you?

>>512280863
Your brain was just fried at a young age by iPads so now you can't think before speaking.

Your parents made you retarded

>>512280884
I just refuted it, brainlet. If what you are saying were true, people with an internal monologue would be incapable of reacting to the world in a reasonable amount of time because they could only think at the speed of the narration, this is demonstrably false because in circumstances like driving a car or playing a sport, or anything, people with internal monologues are not at a disadvantage. They aren't at a disadvantage in any aspect of life, because they are obviously capable of abstract thought.

>>512280863
You either have it or you don't, you clearly don't, and now you're seething just like OP.

>>512281006
>If what you are saying were true, people with an internal monologue would be incapable of reacting to the world in a reasonable amount of time because they could only think at the speed of the narration
Explain how this follows from what I've rubbed your face in. You literally can't. There are multiple layers of nonsequitur "thinking" involved in your take.

>>512281080
You haven't rubbed anything in my face, you assert that abstract thought isn't possible for people with an internal monologue, I have demonstrated that it is, because we live our lives at the same "speed" as anyone without an internal monologue. If what you were saying were true, we would have to have an internal conversation with ourselves before doing literally anything, which is demonstrably false. I can intuitively drive a car, no narration necessary, so you are wrong. If you want to draw arbitrary lines between what constitutes thought and what doesn't, that is you moving the goalposts.

>>512281080
Bro, he owned you and you don't know how to take it.

t. Engineer who routinely makes decisions on systems (at least one of which you've probably used at some point in your life) while using abstract thought, and has an internal monologue

>>512280971
>>512281072
If you're claiming there's a fucking Shakespeare play unfolding in your mind all the time you're either schizophrenic or lying

>>512281205
>you assert that abstract thought isn't possible for people with an internal monologue
Looks like your rudimentary language model matched my post against the wrong rhetorical template. You are generating "thoughts" based on the wrong associations. Try again.

>>512280390 (OP)
>I am able to think so I'm special!

kek, imagine being so worthless this is the cope you have to resort to

>>512280734
I still and can not believe that is true but then again i asked my mother recently if she hears her voice if she is reading something or thinking about something in her head and she first did not get the question and then said that she does not. I think it may not be as prominent and distinct in others or they just simply do not get the question. If they really have zero inner monologue, inner voice or visualisation then how do they even go on with their life. I just cant imagine it (which i usually can everything)

>>512281274
>literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words.
Learn english before posting on an english website maybe you ESL gypsy nigger.

:0

>>512281274
Oh no he said "abstract thought" and you said "nontrivial abstract thought" which means he doesn't know what you're talking about! And conveniently allows you to move the goalposts as much as you want. Take the L

>>512281335
>my context window is 10 words long

>>512281331
I first heard of this years ago when I had a friend who told me he also did not see anything when he dreamed

>>512280390 (OP)
Well surprise to no one that a turbo-faggot maxvax and normie would have no internal monologue.

>>512280390 (OP)
The idea that not everyone on this Godforsaken planet “talks” to themselves in their head is extremely retarded and if it’s true those people should be treated like cattle or rape slaves. (Niggers excluded because they’re not human to begin with) There is no fucking way anybody is that retarded. I refuse to believe it. How do you DO ANYTHING if you can’t think it through? It makes zero logical sense to me or the little guy in my head I talk to to solve problems.

>>512280712
Turns out they don’t. Also basically anyone with an internal monologue has either a simple or advanced degree of nonverbal conceptualization. It doesn’t mean they’re right or good at it just that it’s present.

There’s literally people just wandering around basically running on instinct. It spooky.

>>512280569
This one right here.

>>512281403
What does it feel like, to be literally dumber than a bot, even in terms of verbal intelligence?

One thing I wonder about no-internal-monologue thinkers, how do you read or write poetry? Like you can't hear the verse in your head at all? Do you write poetry as if it were some sort of math equation? It would explain how some people are particularly capable of writing such godawful poetry, it must like trying to sing whilst deaf.

>>512280734
Deaf people exist so I imagine it's a real thing, yeah. Why "people" who are otherwise not disabled don't have an internal monologue is a mystery though.

>>512280884
Oh I see. This is a cope thread.

>>512280945
The fact you're wrong, perhaps?

>>512280783
>>512281006
Zased

>>512281260
All the time? No. But often.

>>512281641
Notice your inability to establish and substantiate any logical connection.

>>512281619
>unironically asking ChatGPT
Now this is simply hilarious, thank you for brightening my day. I hope you do realize that ChatGPT is just an Indian guy.

>>512281459
That can’t possibly be real wh the fuck are we inhabiting this planet with? Even dogs fucking dream.

>>512281568
>basically anyone with an internal monologue has either a simple or advanced degree of nonverbal conceptualization.
Then how come every time this question comes up, you get dozens upon dozens of these "verbal thinkers" explicitly stating that they can't fathom complex thought without words?

>>512281700
You are literally dumber than a bot. Seethe about it.

>>512280945
Are you Indian?

>>512281619
Oh, you used an LLM to do your thinking for you. You’re brown. I’m beginning to understand why braindead thirdies love that shit so much.

>>512281260
No, part of being a human with advanced intelligence is using the right tools for the job, usually the brain does this automatically. Just like how everyone experiences fight-or-flight, the brain can switch between modes at higher orders (though apparently not everyone can do this). At times the most efficient way to reason about a problem, ethical dilemma, or action I should take is verbally and at times it is not, my brain will automatically switch between working in that way and working abstractly, at times, both are happening at the same time. This makes me very good at my job as I am able to both make decisions and communicate them as I'm making them instead of needing time to figure out how to verbalize

>>512281784
I think it is more likely that the Indian tech support worker pretending to be a robot is wrong.

>>512281801
You are losing your mind with rage because you sided with a brownoid who is dumber than a bot, or maybe even failed at reading comprehension in the same way he did.

>>512281318
You are calling a human bean worthless which is clearly a false statement now what does that say about your cope?

>>512281759
Not one person has said that.

You relinquished any ground to stand on by outsourcing basically cognitive analysis to an LLM. You’re brown, and frankly shouldn’t be allowed to use either English or technology developed by humans. It was a mistake allowing your kind this promethean fire.

>>512280814
>Internal monologue is not a bunch of random symbols what the fuck is he on about
As we decided in the previous thread.

>this guy is a pathological liar.
>he possibly has other mental problems.
>he does in fact have thoughts.
>he just doesn't want to tell you his actual thoughts about anything.

His entire Chanel is a crap shoot about "omg i live science!!!". Without actually doing anything particularly well. Him and a bunch of other creators got outed for taking USaid money btw.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA&

>>512281619
> Not showing the prompt
> Unironically using an LLM as a source of truth
> Particularly one that's a yes man (which ties back into not showing the prompt, but it's still retarded to use as a source of truth)

Hey, at least you remembered to cut off the "sometimes we make mistakes" disclaimer, my genius friend

>>512281891
I’m not mad at all actually. Well past getting angry when dealing with lower races.

>>512281921
>Not one person has said that.
Read this thread and see for yourself: >>512266842
And it's the same pattern in every thread like that.

>>512280390 (OP)
The fucking smoothbrain cope here is unreal.
>people who do, literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words
Also, Hank Green is one of those people I hate with unending fury for basically no reason I can articulate.

>>512281955
>>512281965
Didn't read. You are dumber than a bot. See >>512281619

>>512281965
It is more like meh at this point at least for me

>>512280390 (OP)
>he can't see his thoughts
>he can't visualize words
>he can't speak to himself faster than he can speak outwardly
you're an odd one, op.

>>512281965
>>512282022
I do get ticked off when people who don't know shit try to explain something, or people who cannot admit to being wrong. I need to try to be more understanding of the depths of retarded indignation in the world like you two

>>512282113
>80 IQ hears voices

>>512281331
>if she is reading something
Reading, listening, watching TV ofc crowds out your inner monologue. You basically asked her if she hears herself while focusing on something else.
Basically, whet they did to make the claim was to ring a bell and ask students to write down what they thought about as the bell rang. In other words, they let them wait til a lot of them started daydreaming and qualfied those who couldn't verbalize their daydream (or forgot them as the bell rang) as lacking an inner monologue.
Shit study, shit conclusion, likely to be refuted by AI-assisted MRI imaging.

>>512280390 (OP)
My wife says she doesn’t have an internal monologue and I btfo of her constantly on a daily basis in terms of “well why didn’t you do x, y, or z?” And there is no response just, “oh I didn’t think of that”

>>512280390 (OP)
If you read jewish stuff like comic books you will find most of characters like Spiderman or batman have inter monologue. Jews have a higher ratio of inter monologue and they are also aware most people don't.
They know since most people are just walking shells they can manipulate and control them very easily.

How come anything that relates to cognitive abilities ends up being such a honeypot for the dumbest subhumans on the board?

>>512282113
No, he is just moldovan.
Name a single impressive moldovan or any historical significance of these braindead retards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmTMU39tPgM

Holy shit he is so fucking annoying. I hate this type of person so much.

>>512280569
>>512280390 (OP)
>>512281583
It's a combo though, we have pictures AND words.One can have inner monologue about the pictures in the head. That's intelligence.
Normies just don't understand and some troll anons don't either.

If anyone has more relevant studies and videos though I'm down to watch them, I like this subject.

>>512282144
>he thinks in his own voice
ftfy, npc.

>>512282227
What's he actually saying? I just lifted the image from another thread.

>>512282206
i mean, you started it by being dumb so...

>>512282296
You have to listen to him. It's the way he is speaking. I cringe internally. He sounds like a ultragigantic faggot.

>>512282296
He is saying me smart me hank green me have hair like zoomer even though I am 45

>>512280390 (OP)
Even though I do have an inner monologue, bragging about muh shape rotation and shit is pretty gay.

>>512281459
Does he smoke weed? When i was still a dishusting pothead i did dream but it was like once a week. A month since after i stopped which was nearly a decade ago i have been dreaming daily and in such an intensity that it gave me the inspiration for many ideas, if its scripts for books or whatever. I heard from others though that they did or do not dream at all while smoking. I also have to add that the first week after stopping i had a straight week of such insane nightmares that i tried to look up things other than weed that could suppress dreams if neccesary. Those nightmares occasionally came up even years after so till a couple of years ago i had one crazy, waking up in sweat nightmare a week. Does also beg the question how does this „holy plant“ not only suppress your dreams but also give you extreme nightmares when stopping. I am not the obly one who had those when stopping btw. I heard this from others too.

Temple Grandin has some interesting stuff about the different types of thinking

>>512282206
I know right, how could anyone even start a thread like this. They must be a moron.

>>512282537
True but I think most people with an inner monologue didn't think it was special until they find out other people didn't have it

>>512282371
Mhh. He just sounds the way "X explained in 5 minutes" YouTube pop-sci channels always do.

>>512282537
I just rotated you claim as an extruded 3D text in my brain and I agree, it's seriously gay to brag about something any midwit can do.

>>512282582
weed stops you from going into REM sleep which is when you dream

>>512282582
At that time he did not smoke weed. He also said he had the inability to picture things in general, I asked him how he could recognize objects but he couldn't answer. I don't think it was REM suppression causing it like is the case with weed

>>512282582
Also have to add though that i started around 14 and smoked pretty much every day till i was 23. Starting that early may could play into this idk.

>>512282659
I don't count him as a man. Everything is so gay about him.

>>512282537
Bragging about anything is pretty gay. But bragging about how you don't understand thinking without words breaks right through that false bottom.

>>512281331
most people just dont understand the premise. they hear "voice in your head" and think of some outside voice thats not under their control, like cliche schizophrenia or something

>>512280390 (OP)
>c-culture and l-language shapes thought?
Shocker, this one.

>>512282652
That's the entire point. It's another "look how special you are"-divisive tactic.
The real question is what kind of loser needs latch onto dehumanizing shit with such a low bar to pass.

On the NPCs vs humanity total war:

>>512282746
Yes that is what i meant by saying that they simply do not get the question. Like you said they immediately think about schizophrenia when you talk about „seeing things“ and „hearing things“. I mean, shouldnt they die early on in life if they do not? When i am in dangerous situation since after being a teenager or unless i am shitfaced, i think or imagine in my head, what could happen, i am literally seeing what could happen and i instantly avoid that happening by leaving that situation or whatever.

>>512282761
I used to think that point was exaggerated and overstated somewhat, but I guess I was wrong. Normalniggers are biological ChatGPTs.

>>512280390 (OP)
People with internal monologue can do both.

>>512282952
congratulations your have a somewhat functioning brain. this is rare nowadays

>>512283063
>People with internal monologue can do both.
Some of them can. But judging by the way they react to thinking without words, a lot of them can't.

>>512281759
Strawman, literally no "verbal thinker" has ever stated that, let alone explicitly, and it is a fact that you cannot provide a single example of it.

>>512280390 (OP)
We can have abstract thoughts, it's not an either or deal. I'm not sure where you got that impression.

>>512280390 (OP)
>I used to think people who don't have an "inner monologue" are fucking retarded but I slowly came to realize most of the people who do, literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words.
A functioning brain can handle all methods of thinking.
In some cases internal monologues (or dialogues) are preferred, for instance when you mentally prepare arguments you want to hear it out loud and argue the case multiple ways with pushback.

In other cases visiospatial thoughts are more relevant, like when you are folding cubes mentally, doing some math problems or want to visualize a construction.

In other cases it can be easier to handle thoughts like objects. You think of a problem, and you have an abstract space that has all of the characteristics of it. For instance that you want to cook food, you combine multiple senses for the object which is the final delivery or enjoyment of the meal and all steps and components leading there are part of that "object".

There are more ways ofc to think as well, but these are just three different ways that you can classify thoughts and one does not exclude the other. Even though I understand some people can't into visiospatial intelligence, some can't have inner monologues/dialogues or even think based on a set of feelings.

A working brain should be open to all these methods, and if it isn't that just means you are cognitively lacking.
Similar in a way to lacking a set of limbs.
Not everyone can run a Swedish mile or do 100 pushups.
It's just that when those features are lacking in the brain it isn't instantly obvious, just like the lack of awareness inside an LLM.

>>512283370
>literally no "verbal thinker" has ever stated that
Read this thread and see for yourself: >>512266842

>>512282952
I think it has more to do with heuristics than some social fear of being regarded as a schizo.
Imagine your cooking something based on a recipe and it ask for a pinch of salt: do you count the grains? Do you rather eyeball it? Do you verbally tell yourself "this is the right amount"? Ofc not, we're visual creatures and the confirmation via sight is enough for most people. No inner monologue needed.
Depending on their lifestyle, people can spend a lot of time in this Kahnemannian "thinking fast" mode and they will answer the question about their inner monologue accordingly. It's a comfort zone thing, not a lack of slow, meticulous thought issue. One doesn't automatically exclude the other, nor would it even be useful to burden the speed of comfort zone actions with inner commentary where it's not needed.

>>512283454
>We can have abstract thoughts, it's not an either or deal. I'm not sure where you got that impression.
Looks like your rudimentary language model matched my post against the wrong rhetorical template. You are generating "thoughts" based on the wrong associations. Try again.

>>512283463
Correct on all counts. First non-retarded reply.

>>512281759
I’m saying I cannot imagine not thinking through a problem without stress testing it in my head. It’s like asking a teacher a question but you’re the student and the teacher at the same time. Throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks. When someone you can’t verbally insult or assault fucks with you do you just imagine (picture) yourself killing them or do you say “fuck you” in your head?

>>512283466
An entire thread is not an example, source, or citation that meets any kind of standard of validation. It doesn't even meet the stated requirement of a "single example". You have failed to prove your argument, exactly as I predicted. Well done, subhuman third worlder.

Be me
>Patrick Steward narrator
>You are low on food, you should go to the shops.
>Ah the shop has made a mistake and now their error is causing a delay with a long que, stay calm my noble champion, you've got this!
>Bravo the hero returns home with groceries, you won this day friend!

Nothing I do doesnt have Picard commenting on it. Get on my level.

>>512282734
My thoughts are a mixture of words, images, scenes, etc. it’s not like I have a constant running schizo dialogue in my head.

>nontrivial abstract thought without words

ok then using words, explain a non-trivial abstract thought.

OP you sound like a retard.

>>512283615
>I’m saying I cannot imagine not thinking through a problem without stress testing it in my head.
You can't "stress-test" something in your head without words?

>>512283680
Here's an example in this thread: >>512283794

>>512280390 (OP)
When I picture an apple in my mind apple juice comes out my nose!

This comparing notes on our internal perception, when no basis of comparison can even exist, is so fucking tedious.

>>512282291
I have been mentioning this before in similar threads. I can unironically envision a whole movie or whatever in my head with dialogues and plots if i want to. All of this is a heaven and hell at the same time. I never was some outsider. Always been liked and still have my childhoods circle of friends. But i a have to admit that when i have many people around me , my sensory overload goes retarded. My thoughts are jumping from a to b. I realize that especially when sitting at a table with many people i do not know and there are lots of different conversations going om at the same time. I dont know if this is related to this topic or moreso to adhd or something like that. My voice does not shut up in situations like that and i behave differently.

>>512280390 (OP)
Every can do non-verbal cognition. You aren't born knowing a language. And interacting with the world requires visualization and reactions faster than words.

Only NPC's have no internal monologue.

"Internal Monologue" is just a cope term for overthinking. If you brag about having an "Internal Monologue," you're just a little ruminating bitch who lives in his own head instead of the outside world. You think Chad is "inyernally monologuing" while he fucks your crush every night?

>>512283885
>This comparing notes on our internal perception, when no basis of comparison can even exist, is so fucking tedious.
Are you saying we should stop using language, anon?

>>512283803
I can also do that. What I mean is I can’t imagine not having my own voice in my head when I’m not actively doing something that is instinctual, like screwing in a lightbulb, I know the threads only turn one way but don’t have to actively say to myself “righty righty lefty loosey” to remember how to change a bulb. I was a mechanic and would frequently have to work on parts I could not see, only by feel and picturing it being separate from the engine could I effectively work. I’m tired as it’s 5:30am and I haven’t slept (it’s hard to turn off the monologue sometimes) so I’m not communicating my thoughts too well right now.

>>512284078
>NPC can only discuss niggercattle things
Post flag, fag!
Not my fault one of my over 9,000 fantasies is more interesting than your ooga booga muh dik!

>>512284078
>memeflag with a cuck fantasy
Many such cases

>>512284132
>I can also do that
Then the thread is not about (You). Not everything is about you, anon.

>>512283999
>And interacting with the world requires visualization and reactions faster than words.
Insects can do that much faster than you.

>>512284226
Fuck you nigger (I’m imagining the way your eyes would bulge while strangling you) I’m asking YOU what the fuck you mean when you say “I don’t talk to myself in my head” what is an idea to you???

>>512283487
I dont know, lets say its a teaspoon of salt, i look at it and do think to myself is it enough or should i put on some more. Its literally a thing of a second. It goes hand in hand. What you see and think in your head. Not in every situtation but in those you are not sure of the outcome? Definitely. Example: Football … i run onto the goal with the boal and the goal is empty, i kick the ball without thinking and make a goal. Then again i run onto the goal but the keeper is inside it next to me one of my players i think in milliseconds should i shoot or pass. I pass to my player because keeper is positioned not as good to him as to me.

>>512280390 (OP)
Thinking is ID for this world.
Do meditation and stop it then you will see you can clearly exist without it but as what or who that's on you to answer that question.

>>512284226
you sound like an insufferable loser that would unironically say "im the smartest in the room".

you can communicate an idea without words but you're not going to get very far.

you aren't living in 1984 where words are suddenly disappearing, you fucking retard. kill yourself before you waste any more resources.

>>512283923
It's spooky and eye-opening to realize some people don't have inner monologue or the inner visions... but we as a society will give these people resources, jobs, houses, families.. when they're retarded golems who literate can't generate original thought.

>>512281331
>always has a narrator when reading
that's called subvocalisation. Some have it, some don't and subvocalisation inhibits speedreading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocalization
can't write much but here's a datapoint. I lack subvocalisation but I do my thinking as a train of text. I'm not sure how I would do reasoning abstractly, aside from imagining geometric diagrams and graphs

>>512280390 (OP)
Idk about u but to me this fag twink looks tripplevaxxed and probably was shilling it to viewers full on. Looks like one of those crazies who posted a vaxxed photo with the crazy eyes and open mouth. Do people really watch these weird psychos?

>>512284096
Language is fine, wasting time on unreliable and unverifiable testimonies is not.

>>512281786
I’m guessing he’s:
>24
>Half German, half Russian
>lives in Chisinau
>Used to code in C for work
>Had a ChatGPT subscription
>Possibly has the initials SC
>Might live near a river

>>512284350
>I’m asking YOU what the fuck you mean when you say “I don’t talk to myself in my head” what is an idea to you???
First of all, "taking to yourself" in your head is teenage and cringe. Things occur to me in a verbal form all the time, but who the fuck actually thinks in first-person narration? But more to the point, if you can think without words - as you say you can - then I have no idea what you're struggling with here. Remember the last time you did some thinking with non-verbal elements and then dilute the verbal element until it becomes irrelevant.

>>512280390 (OP)
can you read? can you speak? Congratulation, you have internal monologue, retard
people who think they don't have internal monologue are borderline insane. now guess what defending not having internal monologue makes you..

>>512282291
I used to get crazy amounts of shit from teachers in school for all the daydreaming I did when I was bored to tears of the lessons they were teaching. I could go for an entire hour just doodling or staring out the window and imagining playing outside / some videogame / thinking about a cool history topic I learned about.

>>512284666
>Language is fine, wasting time on unreliable and unverifiable testimonies is not.
What exactly do you think language is for, if not communicating "notes on our internal perception"?

>>512280390 (OP)
I have an entire debate team in my head. They literally discuss everything. Eventually I have to tell them to stfu, and narrow the internal monologue to one voice I can reason with.

>>512280390 (OP)
Do these people not get songs stuck in their head?

>>512280390 (OP)
Can' t these people also not hear music inside their heads? Like their favorite songs?

Fucking NPC midwits.

>>512284683
>24
>Might live near a river
I fucking wish. Why are trannies so obsessed with me, anyway?

>>512284578
I just had a thought, if technology advances enough to be small enough to implant a device that can detect and decipher those micro movements could being an npc save you from thought crime? Does the internal monologue outside reading trigger the same response as reading text? Oh fuck I need to cut out my vocal cords before the glowies get me.

>>512280712
Get out hylic jew

Inner monolouge is a convoluted term, it confuses the actual idea, that of being aware of one’s own thoughts and the process by which you reach them, to be able to step back and analyze your own consciousness.

The people who lack this lack this degree of self awareness altogether, when you say “I think therefore I am”
The words I and AM preclude a conscious perception of your own internal being rather than it being an entirely passive process.

In Plato’s cave, these people are the ones at the bottom who only observe the shadows and never move beyond that to actually think about them or their own place within the cave.

>>512284683
Didn't someone admit the Moldovan troon was their AI bot?

>>512284938
I admit that you're the same color as your ID.

>>512284715
Oh so you’re being intentionally retarded to provoke reactions and pretend to be a genius. Kill yourself posthaste.

>>512284846
I’m just a big fan of your posts.

If you want to imagine having no “inner monologue” think of the Chinese room experiment.
Where the hypothetical guy in the room has an endless rulebook for the Chinese symbols so he can output what is required, but doesn’t actually understand Chinese.

OP is not a faggot.

>>512284911
>Inner monolouge is a convoluted term, it confuses the actual idea, that of being aware of one’s own thoughts and the process by which you reach them, to be able to step back and analyze your own consciousness.
You're the only one confused. "Inner monologue" is a verbal handle on thoughts - being aware of a verbal representation of thoughts. Simple as.

>>512280390 (OP)
What are the political implications of you being an NPC and a faggot, OP?

>>512285104
If you were such a huge fan, you would learn to distinguish them from other random Moldova flags, but so far I see your "pattern recognition" extends no further than checking the flag and lumping every bit of information you gain together into a single fantasy character.

>>512280390 (OP)
Of course this freak doesn't have an internal monologue. It explains why he made that "I Fucking Love Science" """"song"""". Also you're fucking retarded op

HOW DO I MAKE SONGS STOP PLAYING IN MY HEAD EVERY MINEUT I"M AWAKE!?

>>512285059
Why are you getting mad? What part of thinking without words do you not understand?

>>512280390 (OP)
https://youtu.be/XmTMU39tPgM?si=qWuWgaGc6L4VC5n2
>I can remember having an internal monologue
>in highschool and college
Was that before or after the vax?

>>512282582
dreaming a lot isn't good, it means you have issues or things that you have repressed that the subconscious is bringing up in the form of dreams

>>512285276
Just change the song to one you want to listen to. Try that instead of fighting it anon.

>>512285120
>t. didn't understand the point of that thought experiment
The hypothetical guy can testify that he does not understand anything. NPCs cannot.

>>512284782
There's a reason why eye witness testimony isn't definitive in court. It's unreliable.

And that's not even the main issue, what these eye witnesses are trying to describe is something that they *have no basis of comparison for.* I don't know what any other person in the world perceives internally and so I have no basis to compare my perception to theirs! In this scenario two people could have the exact same experience but describe it completely differently, because the interpretation is entirely subjective without a basis of comparison.

>>512285154
>just that when those features are lacking in the brain it isn't instant
many such cases

>>512285479
>don't know what any other person in the world perceives internally and so I have no basis to compare my perception to theirs!
What exactly do you think language is for, if not communicating "notes on our internal perception"?

>>512285161
The issue is people confuse this idea with having a running narration of every action rather than using language as the medium for self-analysis.

While hypothetically someone can not have any sort of linguistic internal world (like a deaf person perhaps) most people who lack an internal monologue are not some synesthetic savants but rather more like hylics or P-Zombies

>>512280734
No, they're just lying.
People will say anything
if they think it may get them disabled check.
And the ZOG is always looking for
new parasites who know how the game is played.

>>512284888
i was gonna say subvocalisation doesn't happen when thinking, but no, it can apparently occur with any intensive mental activity (reading is just the most studied). Nothing that says it's actually what you are thinking word for word though.
(Conversely apparently people don't subvocalise for minor comprehension tasks like homonym disambiguation)

>>512285229
Nope, I said a different age yesterday. Wanted to see your reaction for more data.

If I were lumping every Moldovan in with you then I’d “know” a lot more. One dummy posted a lot of info about himself, including where he worked kek. Another posted a bar he frequents in your city.

>>512285426
You are the guy imagining the lack of an internal world, the actual person without one just has a purely mechanical process which functions the same as the guy.

All of you are fucking faggots and this is not political. I can't believe that at one point I got banned for 3 days because I made a thread mocking the armed Nazis who took over a bridge for like 15 minutes and then got ran off by niggers with cans of vegetables lmfao. Mods are fucking faggots.

>>512285301
I understand it perfectly fine as described with the mechanic anecdote. You’re a faggot and this thread sucks. You admitted you’re not one of the people without and inner monologue so your opinions and arguments on how the npcs think are worthless dogshit. Like I said before. Kill yourself

OP's hypothesis is that people with an inner monologue can ONLY think using the monologue. It's easy to test that hypothesis.

step 1: create a text description of the pic-rel shape (i.e. translate the shape into the format that OP claims inner monologue people work with - words)

step 2: show only the words, not the picture, to a test subject

step 3: ask the test subject to rotate the shape about any axis, and then describe it

I predict that literally nobody is able to perform this task. That implies, according to OP's hypothesis, that people with an inner monologue cannot rotate abstract shapes in their head.

...but they can. So therefore OP's hypothesis is rejected.

>>512285575
Many people are purely sensory/reactive beings that either lack an internal world or can only bring it to bear with a great effort in order to solve some problem which their reactions can’t solve.

>>512285666
At least it’s an interesting topic, Satan.

>>512285568
>most people who lack an internal monologue are not some synesthetic savants but rather more like hylics or P-Zombies
That may be true and I don't know what it would be like to completely lack verbal thoughts, but I know for a fact that you don't have to be a "synesthetic savant" to form complex thoughts non-verbally. If you ever made a complex distinction that didn't have a preexisting concept for it, you probably did non-verbal abstract thinking.

>>512285666
It is political if a sizeable population are basically p-zombies and basically highly complicated parrots.

>>512280390 (OP)
Hello npc

>>512285567
Communicating notes on our EXTERNAL perception ya git.

"Look out for the fucking snake" is a lot more useful than "when I picture a snake in my mind I can rotate it and bite you in the fucking face with it"

Navel gazing nitwit.

>>512285359
You are obviously right but dreaming nothing at all is not normal either.

>>512285692
>OP's hypothesis is that people with an inner monologue can ONLY think using the monologue
Looks like your rudimentary language model matched my post against the wrong rhetorical template. You are generating "thoughts" based on the wrong associations. Try again.

The number of NPCs making the same mistake ITT while claiming they have real thoughts is surreal.

>>512285872
>our EXTERNAL perception
There is no such thing, ChatGPT. You're hallucinating.

>>512285721
>can only bring it to bear with a great effort
Yes. The ancients used to call this "invoking the muse"

The Iliad, for example, begins with such an invocation. It used to be a real chore and took deliberate effort for a person to boot up a consciousness.

I think that a lot of people in the world today are still in that state - still walking about mostly unconscious, unless some novel stimuli is encountered.

NPCs, in a sense.

>>512285796
Not my point, faggot. I got b& for being "nOt PoLiTiCaL" even though the thread was expressly political, but glowie nigger mods allow this stupid shit. /b/ exists for a reason. Go post your apolitical faggotry there.

>>512286031
Show flag pajeet

>>512286028
Think of it like your PC, when it’s in a low energy state, it still has a lot of background processes going on but they are not actively being managed.

I think a lot of people are often in a low-power like state and some can never ever go into “performance mode” while others can stay there near permanently simply due to better or more efficient hardware.

>>512285635
My Sister in Christ, by definition, there is nothing to imagine about a true lack of an inner world. Being a literal NPC is the same as being a rock or being dead.

>>512285604
Fuck bongbro I think I just discovered a potential method of mind reading. Pints on me when I’m a billionaire

>>512285961
>your rudimentary language model matched my post against the wrong rhetorical template.
I challenge you to explain what this means.

Here's what you said in the OP:
> people who do (have an inner monologue) literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words.
"cannot fathom nontrivial abstract thought without words" - that's your claim. "Can't think about nontrivial things without the words of the monologue" - that's your claim.

And then I said, "OP's hypothesis is that people with an inner monologue can ONLY think using the monologue." <--- this is an accurate summation of your claim. I challenge you to present an argument (not another claim) explaining why it's not.

>>512285608
I can tell you exactly how old I am. Are you looking for a daddy, you desperate femboi slut?

>>512285961
>uhh... I'm right because... I just am... okay! or whatever...

>>512284888
it's a pretty cool idea. It's not nearly as powerful as true mindreading so you could probably think of quite a few countermeasures. The state education system could be geared towards develeloping high subvocalisation whilst rebels try to do the opposite with their young. People who don't subvocalise need to pretend to subvocalise to stay furtive.
sort of reminds me the chaos walking series where some women don't emit a mental 'Noise' that can influence reality and be read
Also the wiki article makes no mention of prevalence. Maybe we all subvocalise to some degree. (e.g. some people move their jaw)

>>512286329
You're dumber than a bot. See >>512281619

>>512286244
That's actually a very good metaphor because, as any evolutionary biologist will tell you, our brains use a ridiculous amount of energy. It's actually kind of a problem for them to explain the evolution of the brain - using this much energy constantly is not adaptive ...and is therefore a recent thing.

Much more efficient would be to have the capacity for consciousness, but keep it turned off unless really needed.

>>512286468
So, you're not smart enough to defend yourself.

Why am I not surprised?

>>512286658
"Defend myself" against a broken biological LLM lacking basic reading comprehension?

I don't consciously choose to think nigga it just happens. If I want to visualize an apple my brain thinks "apple" before the decision to make that decision ever happens. Apple. I'm thinking it right now but didn't intend to. When I make a decision the cost/benefit analysis happens in my head like a bunch of numbers and math and shit and the decision is made. A few seconds ago I cracked my knuckles while typing this post - my body did that and I watched it happen and it was the right choice. It felt satisfying. You all think too much about thinking, I just do stuff and it works and if I want to think or imagine I just think or imagine stuff and it happens. I don't need to question whether my thoughts are real or not or if I'm visualizing shit in the correct way. Second-guessing yourself and agonizing over where your thoughts come from is stupid. I'd feel hungry if I didn't eat breakfast this morning but I did eat breakfast this morning. I had a blueberry muffin and banana and they were delicious.

>>512286389
But where’s the fun in that?

>>512280390 (OP)
This is stupid. You can’t imagine things “without words” if you have aphantasia, not the other way around.

>>512286709
>"Defend myself" against a broken biological LLM lacking basic reading comprehension?
No, defend yourself against this:

In your OP, you said:
> people who do (have an inner monologue) literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words.
"cannot fathom nontrivial abstract thought without words" - that's your claim. "Can't think about nontrivial things without the words of the monologue" - that's your claim.

And then I said, "OP's hypothesis is that people with an inner monologue can ONLY think using the monologue." <--- this is an accurate summation of your claim. I challenge you to present an argument (not another claim) explaining why it's not.

You are not smart enough to engage with this. Maybe an inner monologue would help

>>512286389
Is every Moldovan this retarded or are you an outlier?

>>512286777
I don't know what's fun about being obsessed with minor e-celebs (which I clearly am to you) in general.

>>512286129
>You want the political board to be political and have some form of standards for moderation? Show nationality you fucking *insert racist/antisemitic slur here*
Shut the fuck up, maple Nazi.

>>512286813
>my context window is ~20 words long

>>512286468
Do you use bots a lot?

>>512286938
Yes. Unironically using them to gain insight into the inner workings of mindless normalniggers.

>>512286724
If I didn’t talk myself out of doing things I know I shouldn’t I’d have raped the Moldovan guy by now. I’d get aids it’s curable but no Stacies want a guy with aids

>>512286562
The alternative is people who are hyper self-aware to the point of mentally draining themselves with endless self-analysis and being exhausted all the time or a total nervous wreck.

An example of “turning it off” to save energy and streamline a process is when you are highly practiced with some activity and you can basically do it at a high level without much active thought.

For example when I play music, I don’t really “think” about the mechanics of playing or even what I’m playing beyond knowing the song.

>>512285992
Commenting on our EXTERNAL perception is useful, because our EXTERNAL world is something we share, and as such can be compared.

INTERNAL perception is not shared, qualia can not be compared, describing it may as well be random noise for all it's worth.

I think in squiggly vibrating bands of light so you should trust me on this.

>>512287017
I think you've overindulged. Try explaining what was wrong with what he said without using chatgpt.

>>512280390 (OP)
I have an inner monologue with an outer presence. I openly think in public and it looks like I’m talking to myself like a total schizo.

>>512287100
>our EXTERNAL perception
There is no such thing, ChatGPT. Perceptions are internal.

>our EXTERNAL world is something we share
No. What we share (to a limited degree) is our subjective perception of some "external world".

This is one of the more sad copes I've seen in a while.

>>512280734
Most people don't, allegedly.

>>512286870
You forgot to mention homophobic slurs, faggot.

>>512281635
They think in sign language.

>>512286826
Moldovans are pretty fucking stupid. They're like Romanians but somehow even worse.

>>512287100
Internal perception is obviously valuable or it wouldn’t exist at all, or else be exceedingly rare.

It’s valuable in the same way running simulations or projecting statistical data is valuable.

>>512287168
I never claimed or implied that having an inner monologue inherently bars you from other modes of thinking. That bot then went on to exhibit the exact same behavior as several other bots, involving a partial quote that intentionally omits the part that proves them wrong. This post-hoc rationalization of mistakes/hallucinations is also seem with LLMs, and the LLMs are likewise unaware of what they are doing.

>>512286895
once you resort to making up quotes, you have throughly lost the debate.

It's so sad and pathetic. You made a claim - you have an idea - and people would like to discuss it with you, but nowhere in this thread have you presented any sort of thoughtful discussion.

You're not capable of it. Maybe an inner monologue would help.

>>512287293
A clear example of this, in studies of boxers, people who simply THINK about boxing and mentally practice do better than people who neither physically practice nor think about it.

>>512287075
I'm letting you know now that I didn't read your post whether you're agreeing with me or not. I already decided as soon as I finished reading my original post (I do that every single time because I like my posts) that I would reply to the first person who replied to me and make this exact post I'm making right now. I want to let you know I'm not only not going to read your post, but I'm leaving the thread right now. As soon as I hit "submit" I'm closing the tab and moving on. Whatever you said was not read by me and I don't respect whatever your opinion is. I've won this interaction, like I always win every interaction, whether you reply to this followup post or don't it doesn't really matter. After this I'm going to be lurking the pokegirls thread on /e/, follow me there if you dare because I'll out fucking skill you there too. Further proof that I don't need to consciously think to run intellectual circles around everyone on this board. That's the power I hold within my mind. The apple is rotating. Goodbye. Whatever you do now I've already won in three, two, one.

>>512287394
>once you resort to making up quotes, you have throughly lost the debate.
Kek. The sheer lack of self-awareness...

>>512280390 (OP)
Verbal language is an inferior medium for communication. It is the best we have, but anyone who has done DMT will tell you intent-based telepathy is the superior communication ability.
That being said, why think in words? It's cognitively inefficient. Take the thought forms as they arise and utilize them: no language needed.

>>512280734
No, they're just saying it for attention. Inner monologue is more prominent if you have neuroticism or anxiety though.

>>512280390 (OP)
the first time I took lsd, my inner monologue went completely quiet and my inner imagination/visualisation stopped running by default too. I think this is genuinely how most women and low iq men live, they just parrot 'truths' society tells them or pavlov's dog conditioning they receive from past events. if they have an original thought, it comes spontaneously and not from self reflection or running a visual simulation in your head or conversing with your inner monologue

>>512286835
aзapт oхoты

>>512287394
He claimed he has one but I think he just has a very malformed brain or is a literal child. How old are you maldobro? I know you’re reading this.

>>512287293
>Internal perception is obviously valuable or it wouldn’t exist at all, or else be exceedingly rare.
Without an absolute internal perception, you are locked down to a fixed relative representation that operates on predefined relationships. You can't just (e.g.) imagine a circle and notice new geometric relationships because there is nothing in your mind that embodies the infinitude of those relationships all at once. Lacking that, you would have to perform some kind of abstract proof search to find new relationships.

>>512287485
I have done DMT many a time, and while I like it because I'm a hippy and like seeing different things in my mind, that telepathy /deity/entity shit is all fake. You took a drug and you hallucinated

>>512287492
You unironically sound like some serial-killing pidar.

>>512280390 (OP)
I hate seeing their retarded expressions put on their thumbnail for clocks, "nutube"

>>512287433
Im going to kill a random homeless person now because of this post. A masterclass of intellectual titanisum, I’ve been bested.

>>512287487
>the first time I took lsd, my inner monologue went completely quiet and my inner imagination/visualisation stopped running by default too
>this is genuinely how most women and low iq men live, they just parrot 'truths' society tells them or pavlov's dog conditioning they receive from past events
Congratulations. You have no soul.

I read "Blindsight" and it says consciousness is bad! I love science!

>>512281564
If you don't train a skill, you suck at it. These people spend near zero time thinking at all.

>>512281274
>most of the people who do, literally cannot fathom self-awareness or nontrivial abstract thought without words. What are the political implications of not being able to construct thoughts without using the terminology and rhetorical patterns you picked up from the engineered language of an engineered society?
>you assert that abstract thought isn't possible for people with an internal monologue
>NUH UH
It's all so tiring.

>>512287861
Bruh, this is getting really uncanny... I think I'll start screencapping your hivemind's behavior for the next thread.

>>512280524
He has to make sure everyone knows he uses arch as well. He'll feel smarter if you know he uses a useless dick and balls operating system and does nothing important with it.

>>512287846
>I read "Blindsight" and it says consciousness is bad! I love science!
Blindsight was meh. Starfish is where it's at. I now have a Lenny fetish to go along with my hatred of civilization.

>>512280390 (OP)
>I can think in a higher level than you
>No I can't communicate my thoughts
K

>>512287943
>>512288079
And the goblin without an inner monologue is a tranny. What a surprise.

>>512282296
>>512282227
>>512280390 (OP)
says he remember he had a inner voice back in his teenage years
wonder how he burned it

>>512287846
Well, glad you got rid of yours so readily.

>>512288204
What leads you to believe this person is a tranny? Lmfao. /pol/acks just throw that word around willy nilly and it's funny every time

>>512288204
You sound literally mentally ill.

>>512288198
Whom are you quoting, retard?

>>512287193
Your post moronism is showing. The external world is real and we share it, and if our perception of it is subjective then how much more subjective is our internal perception? Again, it's useless talk, no truth can be found when all interpretations are equally unverifiable.

>>512288340
Here on /pol/ we're all mentally ill NEETS who probably need therapy. Or else everyone wouldn't be calling everyone else a nigger faggot tranny because they said they read a book lmao.

>>512288428
Your moms boyfriend.

>>512288340
Better than being a Moldovan if you’re a true example. Have another picture of my feces to salivate over

>>512287193
>>512288479
>our EXTERNAL perception
There is no such thing, ChatGPT. Perceptions are internal.

>our EXTERNAL world is something we share
No. What we share (to a limited degree) is our subjective perception of some "external world".

>The external world is real
"It was real in my mind".

> how much more subjective is our internal perception
Exactly as subjective since what you call an "external world" is literally your subjective perception. kek

>>512288531
You shit in the shower? dude go the fuck to therapy lmao your parents are ashamed of u.

You start to understand this idea a lot more if you study linguistics and language, especially ancient languages.

If any of you learn Latin for example you will see how it really does enable higher levels of thinking.
This is also why English Speakers should appreciate Shakespeare, as he was masterful at turning his language into higher order thoughts and communicating them so well that even uneducated proles could understand.

>>512288499
You actually sound like a nigger faggot tranny and your memeflag is the cherry on top.

>>512288499
Therapy is for retarded women, do not lump me In with you. I have a job, retail so when I get home I let out all the pent up slurs I have from dealing with niggers and faggots all day.

>>512288633
Same goes for music btw
Musical knowledge unlocks a lot of the minds potential

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Nora now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QIO5QKVUd0

>>512288612
It’s my shower I can do with it what I please. No different from you faggots douching in the shower before contracting aids

>>512288645
Damn that's wild because you're the faggot unironically debating about internal and external dialogue on a politically charged Chinese cartoon themed website.

>>512280390 (OP)
>not being able to construct thoughts without
Doesn't have to use words.

I can both recreate and create new sounds, smells, touch, emotions, and images.
Can manipulate them however I like.

>>512280390 (OP)
>he thinks its like nigger children who have to read out loud
found the npc

People with inner monologue are actually the NPCs, but they've been programmed to think the opposite

>>512288823
Show flag.

>>512288823
As opposed to ironically having a discussion (however one sided and retarded) on an extremely interesting topic of people being literal husks no different than animals? Can you get out you’re shitting up the thread more than I am with literal shit.

>>512280880
The money for haircuts is tight, so the two of them are slowly looking more like jewish talkshow hosts.

>>512280390 (OP)
All people are capable of an internal monologue, they just don't use it enough.

>>512289078
>All people are capable of an internal monologue
Proof?

>>512287293
I'm not saying internal perception isn't valuable, I'm saying that qualia can not be quantified. I can't say to you that the way I see red is different (or the same) as the red that you see. Comparing notes is not possible without a basis of comparison, and since we all can only know our single perspective no basis of comparison can ever possibly exist.

>>512280390 (OP)
>TIL
Anyone who says that is an automatic retard

>>512289125
>Comparing notes is not possible without a basis of comparison, and since we all can only know our single perspective no basis of comparison can ever possibly exist.
Then why are you talking to him?

>>512288585
Go outside and kick a rock, retard. Tell me how subjective it is.

>>512289278
>Go outside and kick a rock, retard. Tell me how subjective it is.
As subjective as a complex stream of intertwined subjective perceptions.

>>512280712
did you ask them? you should ask them. i did. my parents are full blown npcs. believe in the bible and everything. 6 million, oven babies, you name it. cant form images in their minds, cant even dream in color. im surprised they even have dreams.

>>512287487
>the first time I took lsd, my inner monologue went completely quiet and my inner imagination/visualisation stopped running by default too.
this happened kinda to me too. mushrooms was epic like weed. LSD was scary. it comes out of nowhere and one second you're just a little high, then the elves appear around a corner. it also lasts like 16-18 hours. shrooms is 6 hours and the 3rd is always peak. then lsd sticks around too, very creepy.
pavlov isn't great science anymore. what is great science is AI alignment. it proves NPCs are actually fed AIs being overloaded with chatbot and imessage approved newspeak conversations. instead of being a divine computer always taking in new information, being drowned in a token feedback loop. notice how model AI breaks when it's retrained upon its output because neurons thrive on edge cases, and thermodynamically break and exponentially skew towards the tokens which it was overloaded with since the weights cannot escape and were over represented. same thing is happening with NPCs, they get overskewed and are pavlovian trained to never press the nigger button. but little do they know if you think "nigger" you are allowed to think "alabama nigger and I want to be free" then your neuron wants to feast on "slave" "freedom" and goes onto a living being. whereas an NPC stops at slave and never questions their freedom. then they enter a funkopop LLM sink.

>>512280635
DURRR TO BEE OR NOT TO BEEEE
DURRRRR THAT IS THE QUESTION!?

>>512289382
>did you ask them?
You can see this unfolding in this very thread. Retards will shit out some string of words, then be challenged on it and rationalize it with another retarded string of words. If they are smarter, they will even do it in their own head first instead of post-facto after having another person call them out.

>>512289125
The inability to fully know another person is the crux of dialectics.

Only through it can we “know” others, or as close to it.

>>512280390 (OP)
My thoughts are literally like videos with subtitles.
So I think in both words and pictures.
I have both inner monologue and I vizualize images in my head.

Not simply static images, but moving images, full videos, with audio, but in 3d where I can rotate the camera scene like a videogame.

I enjoy reading novels since I can imagine the whole scenes like a video with subtitles.
When I see a picture without texts I can easily mentally extract the "StableDiffusion/Danbooru" prompt tags.

When I see a picture of 2 people talking without text: I can imagine the dialog from the context.
And from dialogues I can visualize the speaker thru imagination / remote viewing.
Which include users of a certain "Mongolian basket weaving forum" aka 4chan.

Human evolution & IQ debate aside (kek):
I unironically consider people who can't do the same as me as disabled.
Like nearly deaf people who don't hear well, or nearly blind people who glasses to see better.
Sorry coping OP.

>>512288531
>>512288520
>>512288499
>>512288479

(oxo) https://xcancel.com/Pipkinpippa

hhttps://youtu.be/aXz1lvJwiuk
I spy inside
>spy inside
>spy inside
DEEP INSIDE (You)
>I spy inside your mind

https://youtu.be/34dfoe30gWE

t. Project Stargate remote viewing enjoyer
https://youtu.be/WkglcRsi6ks

https://youtu.be/XHmH2uQ_mCI
sadly I lack >>>/x/ oldfag NSA leet hacker skills
>I'm got at math but suck at code.
>Also AI killed CS jobs
>so I dropout CS.
>I'm now an undergrad math major
Many such cases ... sad :(
https://youtu.be/qAQX8nQcpEc

>>512280863
I do external monologue like a real fucking man.

>>512289476
Average sub 90 iq nigger. To be or not to be is the ULTIMATE question.

>>512289758
>To be or not to be is the ULTIMATE question.
If you're a literal midwit I'm sure you can spend a lifetime pondering this.

>>512289553
Shut the fuck up do not ever (you) me again you Brazilian shitskin

>>512289271
Because we're not talking about abstract unquantifiable qualia you absolute fucking retard. Jesus fucking christ. I swear you post modern twats have lobotomized yourselves with your foolish ideas.

>>512289902
>we're not talking about abstract unquantifiable qualia
You're literally talking about them, though.

>>512289796
You have done nothing in this thread but tell people you use ai chatbots because you’re too retarded to come up with a coherent sentence on your own. There’s a reason that is one of the most famous lines in history and it’s pretty sad you can’t see why. And no I won’t explain it to you. Get your robonigger to do it for you

>>512289895
To poopoo, or not to poopoo? That is the question you ponder on the toilet.

>>512289497
no i mean like, actual people. like in real life. people you know. people whose body language you can read. people you know will answer honestly.

try it. the results might surprise you.

>>512290016
>There’s a reason that is one of the most famous lines in history
The reason is that Western public intellectualism is dominated by midwits, and this is by design.

>>512289758
WAOW BRO I'M BEEEEEEEING. TRIPPY DUUUDE, I'M GONNA BEEEEEEEEE!!

>>512290029
I’m suprised you know what a toilet is considering you’re M O L D O V A N

>>512290051
>>512290029
>>512290016
>>512289902
>>512289553
>I'm got at math but suck at code.

*I'm good at math but suck at code:

https://dec41.user.srcf.net/notes

https://hz430.user.srcf.net

https://zb260.user.srcf.net/notes

https://hackread.com/website-streams-from-private-security-cameras/

>>>/g/ Leet world is too competitive so stressful for me.
>>>/sci/ Math world is more comfy.

Big Tech Data Structures & Algorithms interviews are too hard to me.
Big Tech would not allow me in their ranks for lurking on /pol/ anyways.

(oxo) https://x.com/Pipkinpippa

I'm a blacklisted kot :3

>>512290081
As opposed to eastern intellectuals such as yourself. You use chatbots anon…

>>512290127
Are you saying I am wrong to consider such deep questions while the poopoo is coming out? Maybe not to poopoo is the superior option?

>>512290248
Here's an even deeper question for you: to poopoo, or to peepee? What proportion of each is the right way to be?

>>512290253
I’m not commenting on my fecal ruminations I’m calling you and your country poor.

>>512280390 (OP)
>>512282227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA

>>512290401
Which one is bouba, and which one is kiki?

>>512280390 (OP)
>thinking in symbols
>thinking at all
I have an inner monologue and I can visualize but most of my deep thoughts are formed through intuitive synthesis which is to say that I don’t actively think about things they simply appear as fully formed ideas.

>>512290611
>most of my deep thoughts are formed through intuitive synthesis which is to say that I don’t actively think about things they simply appear as fully formed ideas
That sounds crippled.

>>512290494
Now that’s the right question

>>512281998
>Hank Green is one of those people I hate with unending fury for basically no reason I can articulate.
>for basically no reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA

>>512280945
>No internal monologue
>Doesn't understand
Surprise surprise

>>512290708
It's the ultimate sentience test.

>>512290689
Between your responses to myself and the Canada poster I think you have a fundamentally flawed grasp of cognitive processes

>>512290846
Who is your greentext supposed to be referring to? Are you having a psychotic episode?

>>512290916
Really? Then name a flaw. In the meanwhile, I'll go further and name a flaw with the way your crippled head works: no introspection or feedback on the intermediate levels of idea formation.

>>512289985
Bro, you're not getting it.

We can both look at the external world, compare our perspectives, and come to a mutual understanding. We CAN NOT compare internal perspectives, because a comparison of course can not be derived from a single instance. In this we are all unreliable witnesses. I could describe my thoughts as an "internal monologue" while you describe having no internal monologue and yet we could both be experiencing the exact same thing but be using different criteria for describing it. It's unknowable without comparison, and comparison is impossible.

>>512291054
>We can both look at the external world, compare our perspectives
>We CAN NOT compare internal perspectives
You're a broken bot.

>>512280390 (OP)
>most of the people who do, literally cannot fathom abstract thought without words.
pretty sure those are just NPCs lying to save face
you would need to query them in an indirect fashion or devise some manner of objective test in order to better understand the nature of their cognition

>>512281331
Many of you can't seem to grasp that the overwhelming majority of people including those of your race are mindless drones. They are not sapient, they are not sentient, they are not fully human. 99% of non lights are this way, 80% of white are this way. They're no different than code in a program. Their lives are like those of ants, they are there but there's no individual.

>>512291146
You can’t possibly ever know that you’re experiencing something in the same way. Because your brain is not the same brain as whoever you’re trying to compare with. Red is red to you red is red to me, but how are we to know that isn’t green unless there was a way to switch minds. Which there isn’t and cannot be.

>>512281331
well i don't hear my voice, i hear "a" voice
it can be any voice that is on my mind currently, or depending on what thought that is
i never hear my own voice though, the default voice in my head doesn't have any distinctive quality since it's not a vocalized thing

Being born to NPCs and living around them and going to school with them is basically hell. The system the Jews have created puts these people into power, and these people work against the sapien.

Of course the system in life in general has been a goddamn nightmare for every real human ever since the Jews gave the subhumans the rights of superior white men. First thing they do is give the soulless voids depositions and power of real people

>>512291720
I understand your trivial teenage thoughts, but it doesn't change the fact that he is talking nonsense. Communication literally does nothing beyond taking and sharing notes about internal experiences.

>>512291030
You first need to define what an “intermediate level of idea formation” even means

>name a flaw
The flaws were already addressed
With the Canada poster he accurately pointed out how retarded it is to think that real time events are cognitively processed at the speed of verbal narration.
As far as your interpretation of synthesized intuition as being crippled it calls into question your understanding of what it is.
Synthesize means to form or create.
Intuition means immediate or native understanding.
Putting these together means that ideas are fully formed seemingly instantaneously. It doesn’t mean all ideas are formed instantaneously but rather they “appear” to have formed that way. It still depends on cognitive processing power but it’s a subconscious process rather than active.
That also isn’t to say it’s the only cognitive process I use. I have internal monologue, I can visualize. Depending on what I’m doing I can actively use either of the two all while still subconsciously processing.
I would assume this is what most people do too but I don’t know since I can’t look inside everyone’s head and not everyone is great at self reporting.

>>512291800
If you’re not trolling you are legitimately braindead.

>>512291873
>You first need to define what an “intermediate level of idea formation” even means
No, I absolutely don't.

>With the Canada poster he accurately pointed out how retarded it is to think that real time events are cognitively processed at the speed of verbal narration.
Uh huh. Unfortunately, his primitive language model matched against the wrong rhetorical pattern and he spat out a post based on the wrong associations.

>>512291904
I understand how confused you must be, what with your subnigger, subanimal level of sentience.

>>512291987
I think this dude is actually an ai programmed to ragebait. I think we’ve been bamboozled. Post a timestamp picture of a fork on a plate

>he doesn’t think by muttering manically to himself aloud
fr soulless husks ITT

>>512291987
I hope this whole thread has been rage bait because you’re legitimately retarded otherwise

>>512292113
Show me where in my OP I implied that "real time events are cognitively processed at the speed of verbal narration". Notice your blood pressure spiking as you realize nothing like that was ever stated or implied.

The voice is literally sapience. Without it, a person is nothing more than a automaton, an imitation of humanity. There's no real life there. There's no thoughts. There's no intelligence. There's no reason. There's no memory. There's no human.

Would it surprise you to realize the people who can't hear a voice are the same who can't see images in their minds? They're also the same who lack empathy, submit to authority, must be taught everything, cannot figure, cannot reason, appeal to credentials, appeal to authority, engage in group think, have no morals, have no concept of Honor. Authority is everything to the drones, they'll get there believes, politics, religion, morals, direction, thoughts, and everything else from authority because they do not have it themselves. It is actually true that most people are lifeless background characters, obstacles and tools of those with the Divine spark

>>512292130
I unironically consider you to be a subnigger subanimal. If I saw you dying on the streets, I would just pass you by without giving you a second thought. No memes, no jokes.

>>512290494
Left is bouba right is kiki
>why
It just is and any English native will agree with me.

The innate “roundness” of the word Bouba implies the softer shape while Kiki implies the sharper and more agitated looking shape

>>512292177
>The voice is literally sapience. Without it, a person is nothing more than a automaton, an imitation of humanity. There's no real life there. There's no thoughts. There's no intelligence.
Several retards ITT insist that people like you don't exist and I just made your opinion up in order to troll.

>>512292177
>if you’re deaf you’re an automaton

>>512292262
Based bouba enjoyer.

>>512292163
I’m not claiming you did and I’m not rereading this abortion of a thread to find out if you did. For the last 5 minutes We were talking about how you don’t understand that people perceive things differently and language is not adequate to determine the correctness of your “reality”

>>512292214
You’re Romanian you would never see me on the street

>>512292177
Speech and language are genetically encoded in humans so using it to shape our thoughts is hardwired into us at a genetic level.

Ancient languages better capture the fullness of the human inner world than modern languages do unironically.
This is why in nearly every advanced society there was an intense pressure to teach the learned class “archaic” languages for the sake of expanding their mind and understanding ancient texts.

>>512292373
>We were talking about how you don’t understand that people perceive things differently and language is not adequate to determine the correctness of your “reality”
You were talking about this with some voices in your head, presumably. I never denied that "people perceive things differently", or that "language is inadequate to determine the correctness of your reality".

>>512292262
It’s because bou is soft kik is hard, soft flowing edges vs jagged. Why? Audio wavelengths

>>512291800
You're digging your heels in on this "all experience is internal" gotcha like you think you did something. If it makes you feel better go ahead and add a couple redundant words to what I'm saying, every time I say "external" you can insert "internal interpretation of external input." Does that help your feeble mind?

>>512292442
>Why? Audio wavelengths
Anon admits to being a robot.

>>512292484
Here are two quotes from a post of yours. Both statements were made in immediate succession.
>We can both look at the external world, compare our perspectives
>We CAN NOT compare internal perspectives

>>512292177
you're actually a monkey chirping and screeching but deluded yourself into thinking it is meaningful at all. everyone wants to gougue out each other's eyes but has developed sneaky enough tones to avoid it. there is nothing special about speaking. monkey parasites who think a bunch of airy conceptions they conquer nature.

>>512292436
You actually did.

>>512292623
Provide specific quotes to support this accusation. Notice your blood pressure spiking as you realize that you literally can't.

>>512292504
Do do doudodledo, I hate niggers.

>>512292713
You're such a nigger that your black is blacker than my black.

>>512290202
same but i wouldnt help jews anyway

See you next thread, Moldova.

>>512292657
You did, you said "people perceive things differently", "language is inadequate to determine the correctness of your reality".

I know people like that. It is real.

>>512292836
See you in my rape dungeon, bitchboi.

Images, words, sounds, abstractions - they're all just different flavours of symbol. I would have thought any reasonably intelligent person uses all of the above depending on the matter at hand.

>>512290248
chatbots are man made, inner monologues are divine made

>>512292858
See >>512292810

whats interesting is that people who grow up learning sign language or such dont think in "words", they think in hand symbols/finger gestures. or pictures. they tend to "think faster" because thinking of a picture is faster then saying a word in your head.

how fast you can "say a word" in you brain determines how fast you can read, as well. i was mute as a kid and they thought i would never speak, started teaching me sign language and got me reading books as early as possible. i figured out how to speak before too long and dropped the sign language (turns out you need to exhale AND say words. not just mouth them. yeah i wasnt very smart). but because i got a huge head start on reading, i was reading at 600 wpm by 5th, 6tth grade and was capable of absolutely annihilating books. you could give me the new harry potter book at the start of the school day and id finish it before school was out. i could read so fast that id have to make myself slow down or id start skipping words entirely.

>>512292963
See>>512285568

>>512293179
See >>512285814

>>512292556
You're seriously digging your heels in on this sophistry again?
Right after I just pointed it out?

Fine, let me rephrase for you:

We CAN compare our internal interpretation of external experience because it is a shared experience.

We CAN NOT compare our internal interpretation of internal experience because it is not a shared experience.

>>512293260
>We CAN compare our internal interpretation
>We CAN NOT compare our internal interpretation
Make up your mind, ChatGPT.

>>512293111
>>512284578
ahh, so thats what it is

anyways, has anyone experienced this? if im hearing a new song, or watching a new movie, for some odd reason i can say the dialogue or the words almost exactly as they appear, as if i knew them already and was just singing along. obviously this is impossible, i think its just i hear the very first millisecond of a word and can guess what it is extremely quickly. its only when a word im not expecting is said that this breaks it.

>>512292905
A sound is a sound nor an abstraction. A musical note is an abstraction of sound.
Abstractions aren't symbols, symbols are abstractions.

>>512293260
Reddit spacers always lose the reddit debates they start.

>>512293223
See>>512281981

>>512293362
*in my head. this completely breaks if i try speaking the words