Thread 512287821

You trusted the "science" because you thought that the people working in Academia are honest, hard-working incorruptible nerds that rise humanely above everyone else to bring you the truth. Science became religion 2.0

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2420092122

Falling for the "trust mah authoritaaah" grift, century after century after century. It really separates the wheat from the chaff

>>512287821 (OP)
This is only half the issue, there's a political bias in scientific publishing and acquiring funds. If you shove terms like 'climate change' and 'diversity, equitiy, inclusion' into papers, you're more likely to receive funding, even if it has no bearing on the paper. This creates a confirmation bias that there's a near 100% consensus on these issues.
Big science is completely pozzed, it has been since the mid 2000s.

>>512287821 (OP)
>You trusted the "science"
I didn't, you presumptuous Cypriot cocksucker.

>>512287821 (OP)
I stopped trusting science when they tried to tell me that we all came from some monkey fucking a fishfrog and having a retard baby. Anyone who believes in evolution is a massive faggot.

Anti-science "people" are almost invariably trailer trash retards who barely scraped through high school, if they even made it that far. This seething is borne out of an inferiority complex, not any actual desire for rigorous research.

>t. scientist

>>512288775
Modern "science" is just a bullshit institution of nonsense statistical inquiries taking credit for every innovation.
>inferiority complex
Most scientists are post doc hacks who write worthless papers to peddle their career.
Newton or Gaileo never would recognize probability or meta-analysis, bushit methodologies posing as science. Fuck science, anyway. Just a shamanistic word to credit-build.

>>512289047
You're a korean who didn't get into a good college

>>512289047
jk I agree with you

>>512288775
>rigorous research
a.k.a cooking the numbers to reach a desired conclusion
Take it up with the climate loons if you're having a sad over science losing its credibility. Or get an anthropologist drunk and he will love to tell you that he HAS to be a professional fraud if he values his career.
I'm not anti science, I'm anti dogma.

>>512288775
I'll give you 50L of denatured ethanol to massage my data, whore.

>>512288775

I dropped my Ph.D after being pressured due to "ethical concerns" and spend the next 5 years writing papers and doing more or less degrees for rich people that didn't have the charisma for being in academia.

There is 0.000001% of actual scientists doing real applicable science outhere, mainly engineering and the rest of you that ride the title in hope you get the same status.

Science is "dead" because the bar has been dropped extremely low. 99.99999% of "scientists" dont have what it takes to be in science.

That includes you and me.

>>512288317
Yep.

>between 2009 and 202X almost all research grants were given to "scientists" who included global warming as part of their research
That acted as a filter. Only dishonest researchers or diehard climate change activists received funding. After a few years all that was left were the dishonest "scientists" and the diehards.

>>512288775
THIS. If it's in a study, it's true. Simple as. I don't even care if there is peer review or if anyone can replicate any part of it.

>5 authors
that article itself is an h-index chasing fraud

>>512288775
Don’t you have another grant you need to be working on right now? Don’t forget to add the latest buzzwords for the reviewers

>>512294368
And the article doesn’t even dismiss science like loser ass OP and the made up stories others are telling are trying to.

>>512292235
>Science is "dead" because

>>512287821 (OP)
“Peer review” is completely unscientific. It’s a glorified popularity contest essentially where big wigs get to promote and fund whatever they feel is important and can arbitrarily silence dissent by just choosing not to publish papers that they don’t like from institutions they don’t see as relevant.
So if the entire backbone of western science is unscientific then that means the entire enterprise is corrupt

>>512297208
>big wigs

>>512287821 (OP)
if politicans can be and are bribed so can be scientists and scientists and system elites ala teachers, doctors etc are famous for being cowards and always jumping first on any idelogical train any goverment wants to shit on the people... out of pure fear. basically these people might be smart but they are also complete cowards.
Most obvious recent example is the tranny shit and men can be biological women stuff... these scientists and teachers KNOW its bullshit they fucking KNOW but they dont dare rock the boat because they are cowards so they play along to the detriment of all of society.
It was always the women and "sophisticated job elites" that first play along with everything.

The funny part is just the whole
>EXPOSED!
narrative here. Like okay, the entire industry is corrupt. You work there. Why did you not pull out a pistol and check this data?

>just donate to my anti-science scientific study!

>>512288317
fpbp
>>>/sci/16742297
I did this thread on /sci/ no help at all, nada.
Basically my plight and many others, including the dude behind the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis that had to create his own journal to publish his theory after being reject by 6 different journals.

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>>512289047
>>512289447
>>512291071
>>512292235
>>512293764
>>512295100
>science isn't real because it hurts my fee fees
>also JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSS!!!!
ok

>>512297885
It sucks.
There are scientists who try to strive for honesty and blatantly corrupt, dishonest, scientists on the take:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulthacker/2011/09/13/how-an-ethically-challenged-researcher-found-a-home-at-the-university-of-miami/?sh=60ca63e45e12

The honest scientists have to play along as if Science® is the official religion of factual truth or be ostracized.
There's your scientific consensus bought by the same entities that buy politicians.

The whole body of science can't be completely trusted because of this.
Nevertheless, The State will put a proverbial gun to your head at the behest of the White-Coat Mafia whether you trust the science or not.

Wealth is stolen from you to pay for it
You're forced to comply with it
If you're harmed in some way by it, then tough shit. Try to PROVE it.

>>512300265
Ghostwrite me another study Sanjay. I expect it on my desk by next Tuesday.
If you're an extra good goy, you might get published in Nature some day

>>512287821 (OP)
It's your own fault if you trusted science in the first place instead of using your own understanding.

>>512287821 (OP)
>You trusted the "science"
No, I didn't. By the way, why are you troosting this random stoody?

>>512287821 (OP)
You can mitigate about 90% of scientific fraud and cheating by kicking the kikes, chinks, and jeets out of your institutions.

>>512302733
The Enlightenment caused this problem in the first place and Kant was a coping coomer.

>>512287821 (OP)
if you ever read a research article you would know the standards are not that high like they even have misspellings and grammar mistakes.

>>512288659
>Anyone who believes in evolution is a massive faggot.
>projection
So...you think the earth is 6000 yrs old?

>>512303348
Do you unironically believe that natural selection and random mutation are enough to explain all life on the planet?

>>512303348
Nice strawman. Taking issue with the theory of evolution doesn't mean that you are suddenly in the polar opposite camp of retardation.

>>512287821 (OP)
Science is dead poeple are not allowed to experiment and build anything due to loicence.
Scientists™ are bunch of narcisistic bureaucrats competing for grants and kissing asses while not acomplishing anything.

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/of-flying-cars-and-the-declining-rate-of-profit

But yes "trust mah authoritaaah" poeple should be purged. But who do we give germany to once we eliminate 90% of their population?

>>512288775
10/10
I actually belive you work in academia. You displayed adequate level of narcisism

>>512303696
yes. Its backed up by a preponderance of evidence.

Do you unironically believe a sky daddy just pointed his finger and created the earth and all life on it?


>>512303722
>not offering an alternative explanation but claiming its wrong...just cuz.
sure thing junior. when is middle school back in session?

>>512289047
Newton or Gaileo would never be accepted in Modern academia.
Any creativity and ingenuity must be sqashed and replaced by midwit bureaucrat.

>>512288775
>retard desperate to believe his 'science' degree in botanical mass psychology makes him smarter than everyone else
You're the dumbest person on pol.

>>512304217
>yes. Its backed up by a preponderance of evidence.
How could science possibly "back up" such a statement? Explain the reasoning for me real quick.

>>512292235
Science is dead because real tehnological progress threathens the elite. Only things that are allowed to progress are survailece tehnologies like drones and ai. Notice no improvement in robots since 80s.
Check the essay
>>512303910

>>512288659
Evolution is the truth nigger. It's one thing to criticize their retarded conclusions, but let's not doubt the basics

>>512304309
>didnt answer the question
>deflects with strawman
sure billy. dont be obstinate.

>>512304217
>>512304663
>yes. Its backed up by a preponderance of evidence.
How could science possibly "back up" such a statement? Explain the reasoning for me real quick.

>>512287821 (OP)
I work as a researcher in health. I can fully attest that a huge percentage of the published shit is nigger tier rambling and not actual science. Most of the time, this happens because the publishing standards have dropped horribly the last fifteen years. Chinese predatory journals have contributed a lot to this. Now it's chaos, everyone abuses AI, just to get some papers publish.

>>512304995
Published *

>>512288775
I find it strange that all the 'scientists' I've met only seem to have read more textbooks. Nearly every single one I've met comments about how intelligent I am and asks where I went to school. Same would happen to my dad. Much like sheet music is only there to let you read what someone else wrote, a real musician can hear a song and play it.

>>512300265
>leftist academia pumping out researchers that say trannies are actually women means you have to believe it!
Faggot.

>>512304217
>offering alternative explanation
What part of the scientific process is that?

>>512287821 (OP)
Science was never about trusting
It was always about proving/disproving educated theories

>>512305178
Forming a new hypothesis when your experiment fails to prove the original one. This has been replaced with altering the data to fit the hypothesis.

>>512287821 (OP)
Scientists are not worth believing or trusting - it isn't supposed to be a fucking faith based institution. Everytime a Scientist makes a claim about a data set it should be taken with a pound of salt.

>>512295331
>loser ass OP
Tranny faggot.

>>512288775
>TRUST THE SCIENCE BRO
>TAKE THE COVID VACCINE
uhhh the CDC.gov covid death information during the pandemic said that the average death was 83.6 years old with 3.8 co-morbidities which meant they were passed the expected age of death and living in hospice on their death bed. Good thing I trusted my scientific ability to interpret data!

>>512305331
>it isn't supposed to be a fucking faith based institution
Every institution is a faith-based institution.

>>512288775
i FUCKIN hate science! come meet my rock

>>512288775
>t. scientist

>>512305263
Forming a new hypothesis is not required to conclude that the current hypothesis is wrong/incomplete.

>>512304869
>doesnt understand the concept of evidence
explain to me why thats hard for you.

>>512305563
similar vibe

>>512288775
That's rather vague.

What's your field?

>>512305647
>yes. Its backed up by a preponderance of evidence.
How could science possibly "back up" such a statement? Explain the reasoning for me real quick. What "evidence" proves such a claim?

You will deflect for a 3rd time.

>>512287821 (OP)
>>512288317

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

https://retractionwatch.com/

>>512287821 (OP)
Science only works in 1st world countries which are nearly extinct, or at the very least greatly endangered now in the west.

>>512287821 (OP)
the masses wernt supposed to have access to this type of information. it was only a matter of time before they were put back into mystery schools. only dumbfuck celts and germs allow free knowledge, real civilizations kept knowledge sacred.
the only people who are bigger retards than the anti-science crowd are the ultra retards who have turned science into a diety and think there is actually an anti-science crowd.

>>512305771
Let's not forget

>>512305898
Second-order effect (amplified by corporatist authoritarian state)

>>512305870
>anti-science
There isn't an "anti-science crowd"
there *is* an anti-Authoritarian Statist Corporatist crowd
most of this enforcement is propagated and carried out through the pharmaceutical corporation global chokehold on all governance and ruling class, mass media

>>512303348
Evolution is not even a "scientific" theory, it lacks the essential criterion of falsifiability. Karl Popper called it a "metaphysical research program" instead. As such it has it's merits because it inspired many real scientific theories but if you believe in it as a true fact you are no more rational than a biblefag believing in creation.

>>512305898
> Papers in leading psychology, economic and science journals
Psychology and economics are no sciences. I wonder what else they are talking about. Climate research? Gender studies?

>>512306139
Karl Popper did not invent Science. His contributions to the philosophy of science has made science less pure and ensured its subordination to technological development. Any explanation is always retroactive. To test things, to offer predictions, that's gathering information through trial and error. Ultimately, it's no more than stamp collecting. It's only when we create a theory to explain the phenomena we have investigated, that we are actually doing science.

>>512306139
It's the best theory we have yet. Of course it's very hard to prove it, but there are quite a few indications about its validity.

>>512306624
>cut off dick
>don't become a woman like the study claims

>>512306139
>Evolution is not even a "scientific" theory, it lacks the essential criterion of falsifiability. Karl Popper called it a "metaphysical research program" instead. As such it has it's merits because it inspired many real scientific theories but if you believe in it as a true fact you are no more rational than a biblefag believing in creation.
But then later on he recanted and changed his opinion to conform to the rest of the Jewish intellectual cabal.

>>512289047
>posted using a computer on a global network
honour your ancestors

>>512287821 (OP)
Any reasonable and correctly educated Scientist hasn't been able to "trust the Science" for the better part of a decade now. Peer reviewed papers can and are regularly P-hacked and the non peer review articles aren't even worth considering. Now, a Scientist has to manually review a given paper or thesis to double check if it sloppy dogshit or, as there is no longer any reasonable expectation that any given peer reviewed article has any *actual* Scientific bearing or relevance, or if it's just dogma misrepresented as fact

Basically the standard procedure is to churn out some dogshit thesis with all the magic words in it
>>512288317 >'climate change' and 'diversity, equitiy, inclusion'
In an attempt to fish for funding, it's the only way to gain relevance as a Scientist now is to make up the most plausible bullshit regarding any one (preferably all), get it peer reviewed, then laugh as you get funding for a study based on a paper they clearly lacked the ability to comprehend or simply didn't care to read

That's where all these "Scientists say breathing air is lethal" new paper articles are coming from. The scientists are desperate for relevance, and the media outlets are desperate to peddle fake shit as verifiable science. I hope the first person to invent a real teleporter refuses to explain how it works but instead insists it's powered by DEI spirit cooking energy, KEK

>>512288775
Your arguement has no substance and consists of obvious projecting of insecurities.
>This seething is borne out of an inferiority complex
Anon, is the trailer trash genius in the room with you now?

>>512305590
But it is the next step of the scientific method if your experiment does not bear out.

>>512288775
scientist here. you must not be active in publishing if you dont see any issues with the current pathways. forget for a second that any research doctorate is a self-selecting hierarchy, insofar that your committee can tank your entire career, and neither the chair nor grad school dept is going to stick up for you.

now, onto actual publishing. special grants for ESRs with melanin or a cunt between their legs. special recognition at conferences. the entire goddamn peer review process is jam packed with bachelors-level intellects who will skip your entire methods section and start pussyaching that you dont spend enough time genuflecting before the altar of covid or niggers.

dont get me started on science & nature publishing political editorials. or NEJM and lancet pushing the surgisphere paper - which led to WORLDWIDE halting of clinical trials via UN and WHO - only to find out the entire dataset was fabricated.

if you truly believe the academic and intellectual apparati are just, youre either the biggest dumbass faggot sociology grad or a larping faggot. either way youre a faggot, kill yourself

>>512304869
You can date fossils and remains of creatures and construct phylogenetic trees based on similarities between them. That way, the structure of gradual change from one similar creature to another gets evident with enough data, does it not?

Dear conspiracy theorists, who benefits most from this recent "don't trust science" psyop? Are you sure you want to go down that road?

>>512287821 (OP)
I don't about that but i lost faith them that they started backing the gender ideology and tranny garbage with bias research.

>>512307545
>who benefits most from this recent "don't trust science" psyop?
Who?

>>512307428
>the structure of gradual change from one similar creature to another gets evident with enough data, does it not?
Yes. That strongly suggests gradual change. But it doesn't support any particular theory as to what causes that change.

>>512307610
>bias research.
Why is this such a common error for Americans?

>>512307545
“trusting” science is the antithesis of science, fyi. love that the “in this moment i am euphoric” crowd swapped garden-variety atheism for a dogma where peer-review is their holy trinity

>>512307631
Is that gradual change not evolution?

>>512307545
>who benefits most from this recent "don't trust science" psyop?
Literally the same people who benefit from "trust science" psyop.

>>512307748
>Is that gradual change not evolution?
Did you read our exchange? Here's where it started:
>>512303696
>Do you unironically believe that natural selection and random mutation are enough to explain all life on the planet?

The people in science are always some fat pale kike or ugly tranny of course they are going to be peddling lies same as always

>>512289047
There's nothing wrong with science.
The problem is centralized authoritarian technocracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn9BvNAUvcU

Cybernetics (the progenitor of AI)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macy_conferences

>>512287821 (OP)
Water is life bros…

>>512307887
>>Do you unironically believe that natural selection and random mutation are enough to explain all life on the planet?
Seems logical to me. If we've already established that evolution itself by some mechanism is happening, mutation, gene recombination, natural selection, etc. seems like the most likely mechanism.

>>512308183
>Seems logical
>seems like the most likely
That's not science, anon. That's speculation.

>>512307631
How do you not end up with gradual change, when you have reproduction with mutation/variation and natural selection? It’s inevitable

>>512308250
We can map out a genetic tree of all life on earth that shows we’re all related

>>512308250
That's the scientific method for you, anon. Make a guess explaining the data, and see if it's not debunked by new observations.

>>512307682
shekels.

research universities dont actually give much of a shit about coursework, nor do they even want their professors teaching. the goal is to find active researchers who are able to stipend themselves out of the grants theyre awarded - a large percentage of that stipend will be deducted from the base salary of the professor, despite the facility already taking up to 60% (!!!) of the grant money for overhead. new NIH rule caps this but the pussyaching will never end.

so, the arena of academia is wholly consumed by a “publish or perish” rat race. you publish half-baked shit in single-digit impact factor journals thatll make it to the 22nd century with single digit citations. we’re forced to pad our CVs so our institutions can harvest shekels to make sure the nigger affaleets are comfy and cozy with their paychecks

thanks for coming to my TED talk. academia is a clown show and most modern research is dogshit

>>512308281
>How do you not end up with gradual change, when you have reproduction with mutation/variation and natural selection? It’s inevitable
It's inevitable for there to be some kind of gradual change. No one has ever should it would be the kind of change actually observed.

>>512308360
>That's the scientific method for you
The scientific method makes testable predictions. Your "scientific" hoax tells a just-so story about the evidence and stops at that.

>>512308533
ever shown*

science is only as good as the people practicing it, publishing it, reviewing it, and reporting on it. trusting science ultimately comes down to trusting those people did the science, published the science, and reported the science to the public objectively.

>>512288317
>This is only half the issue, there's a political bias in scientific publishing and acquiring funds. If you shove terms like 'climate change' and 'diversity, equitiy, inclusion' into papers, you're more likely to receive funding, even if it has no bearing on the paper. This creates a confirmation bias that there's a near 100% consensus on these issues.
>Big science is completely pozzed, it has been since the mid 2000s.
This. Follow the money.

The sugar industry paid for fraudulent research proving that sugar was healthy. How many people died of diabetes because we were told that sugar was safe?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html
https://foodscience.news/2021-06-11-1960s-sugar-industry-paid-science-blame-fat.html
https://nature.berkeley.edu/garbelottoat/?p=1867

Glycation and skin damage
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9655929/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5643203/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20620757/

Two decades of Alzheimer’s research was based on deliberate fraud by 2 scientists that has cost billions of dollars and millions of lives.

What should the punishment be for scientific fraud that costs lives?

https://nemosnewsnetwork.com/two-decades-of-alzheimers-research-was-based-on-deliberate-fraud-by-2-scientists-that-has-cost-billions-of-dollars-and-millions-of-lives/

>>512308533
>The scientific method makes testable predictions. Your "scientific" hoax tells a just-so story about the evidence and stops at that.
I'm pretty sure it does make testable predictions. You can predict that two creatures should have a common ancestor, and maybe you can even find it. And you can predict future events too. I guess you can't really feasibly test whether a chicken could really evolve into a t-rex, but you could calculate how long such a breeding program should last based on the rate of change. For smaller endeavors and smaller changes, you can observe the process in human time frames, like in vid related.

>>512287821 (OP)
We are heading for a dark age, this time it will be a global dark age.

>>512287821 (OP)
>You trusted the "science"
Nope, unvaxxed. Scientists are people just like anyone else and people lie for hundreds of reasons.

>>512309110
>You can predict that two creatures should have a common ancestor, and maybe you can even find it. And you can predict future events too.
Such predictions aren't made on the basis of the random mutation + natural selection just-so story. Show me anyone predicting anything about speciation starting from the actual first principles of this theory.

>>512288317
NewScientist wrote an article on this exact things back in 2005. Then they never brought it up again.

>>512287821 (OP)
Basically nothing has changed since Galileo. He had to tread carefully and named several astronomical bodies after his financial supporters.
Basically, if you want to do research you have to prostrate yourself before the powerful people.

>>512309309
>Show me anyone predicting anything about speciation starting from the actual first principles of this theory.
Does the video not show just this?

>>512288775
I am held to much higher standard of proof than you are Mr.Peerreview, therefore my findings worth more than yours.

>t. process improvement engineer that has to to do trials/studies that are actually reproducible

>>512306108
>There isn't an "anti-science" crowd
There is a small "anti-scientific method" crowd.
I've dealt with them.
A mish-mash of traditionalism, woo, and spirituality.
Some of them consider anything modern or "synthetic" to be harmful. ALL scientific evidence is a lie according to some of them.
Published scientific literature often supports their claims. (Round-Up being mutagenic, for instance)

None of them ever threatened my livelihood for refusing to drink root bark tea to get rid of the flu so I could keep my job.
I would side with them over a government that doesn't recognize bodily autonomy, even though I think most of their ideas are retarded.

>>512287821 (OP)
1 research paper by these authors

>>512309025
>What should the punishment be for scientific fraud that costs lives?
Execution by firing squad, for everyone involved in publishing a fake paper, this is a crucial stepping stone in the development of the entire species and infractions should be considered as crimes against humanity.

>>512309502
>Does the video not show just this?
It's unclear exactly what your video is supposed to show beyond "le bacteria are le evolving", but it almost certainly isn't showing the confirmation of a prediction about speciation from first principles.

>>512309688
So what is the video showing?

>>512289047
The education for one is just endless arithmetic puzzles that teach you nothing, drive you mad and waste your life and money for a piece of worthless paper that will be ignored by every employer anyway .

>>512309920
Academics playing with statistics, probably. Let's see the original source.

>>512309653
>anti-scientific method
Yes understood, know what (You)'re talking about.
(a portion of the "antivax" crowd is like this, most of these types of persons are hard core didn't-graduate-from-high-school Christian fundamentalists)
The important distinction is, that none of these people are in the technocracy authoritarian establishment. Yes as you imply, sometimes 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

>>512310054
https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aag0822

The video is showing bacteria overcoming ever higher concentrations of antibiotics, evolving resistance, as predicted by "the first principles".

>>512288317
why can AI communicate with PhD normgroids? because they are the politically aligned AI inside
that's how dumb they are, the content was just made big and scary but the truth is that it is politically aligned at a level that LLMs will never get to. the equations are politically aligned.

>>512310297
>we introduce an experimental device, the microbial evolution and growth arena (MEGA)–plate, in which bacteria spread and evolved on a large antibiotic landscape (120 × 60 centimeters) that allowed visual observation of mutation and selection in a migrating bacterial front. While resistance increased consistently, multiple coexisting lineages diversified both phenotypically and genotypically. Analyzing mutants at and behind the propagating front, we found that evolution is not always led by the most resistant mutants; highly resistant mutants may be trapped behind more sensitive lineages. The MEGA-plate provides a versatile platform for studying microbial adaption and directly visualizing evolutionary dynamics.
So what predictions about speciation are made there, based on first principles?

>>512303722
Unfortunately it usually does. The vast and overwhelming majority of the criticism of evolution is rooted in Christianity and most especially the Protestant offshoots that embrace hardcore biblical literalism.

>>512309653
>>512310253
I doubt either of you actually understands what the scientific method is.

>>512310605
The real redpill is that there is no scientific method.

>>512310474
It predicts that bacteria will evolve to overcoming ever higher concentrations of antibiotics, evolving resistance.

>>512310253
a portion of the “anti-vax” crowd also had the werewithal to look up the longitudinal trials for safety and efficacy of the major covid vaccinations, and noticed that your boy biden was mandating them in Q4 2021 when primary data collection for these treatments was scheduled to run through Q3 2023.

“trusting the science” that the vaccines would be safe and effective with no supporting data? thats called being an absolute fucking mongoloid

>>512301639
The sad part is despite being easily disproven, like DNA (same test same blood twice is always two different results), they are still using the “evidence” for it to convict people for murders.

If you watch the show “Forensic Files” you can see that they
-plant evidence
-lie to promote retard on screen
-falsify documents they use in court

Yet not once were they ever called out. Thousands of unlawful convictions. Even worse—they helped the actual murderers for a theater.

The cure for cancer is bottled drinking water everyone

>>512310671
>>512310605
>Italy flag 2 pbtid + Moron
I'm a scientist with multiple engineering fields professional expertise and licensing, (You)?

>>512310711
>It predicts that bacteria will evolve to overcoming ever higher concentrations of antibiotics, evolving resistance.
That's not a prediction from first principles and it's not about speciation. Are you literally retarded?

>>512310764
>4 pbtid triggered
that "anti-vax" in quotes *GOT (You)* didn't it

Pharmaceutical corporations need to be removed from Earth along with every single human employed by them. All of them genocidally removed rn

>>512287821 (OP)
>"a growing threat"
HAHAHAHAHAHA you absolute pieces of shit sold your credibility to leftist political agendas DECADES ago starting with the global warming lie and scam. I hope you all lose your fucking jobs and violently kill yourselves--you are a motherfucking DISGRACE to what science actually represents and some of the worst pieces of human shit in history.

I worked for a small company that blatantly lied in their most important paper. They claimed that their compounds were totally non-toxic to animals. Then when I started the guy said they had killed a monkey with them. This was involving RNA drugs, sort of unsurprisingly. This article even specifically mentions RNA drug related science.

>>512288775
>t. scientist
more like
>t. faggot
go get another six boosters then cut your dick off because gender isn't real, also make sure you don't drive cars, live in a home, or eat meat because you need to stop le evil carbon

>>512311000
So what are these first principles you're so hung up on?

>>512310902
And what have you discovered with your arcane knowledge?
If your answer is nothing, you're not a scientist, just a clown labeled by the state.

>>512289447
>anthropologist
Lol I love reading about the mesoamerican and south american "cultures" where the anthro faggots have to metaphorically dance around like lunatics trying to defend the practices of cutting hearts out of little kids for the rain gods. There is a meme about this and it is spot on.

>>512311136
We were talking about random mutation and natural selection. Now, let me dumb things down for you:
>It predicts that bacteria will evolve to overcoming ever higher concentrations of antibiotics, evolving resistance.
Notice how I could make the same prediction starting from the assumption that mutations are NOT random and still end up being "right". That means your prediction does not prove the random mutation story. Do this test next time you're trying to "prove" something.

>>512311324
So you don't know what these first principle are?

>>512308533
What 'scientific method'? This is the consensual scientism which is championed exactly by the people you disagree with. The Carl Sagans and the Neil De Grasse Tysons. You are turning science into something much more democratic, much more utilitarian, than how it was originally conceived.
Testing, proving, ect, are all just ways to persuade, to win arguments. Or alternatively, to create technology. Anyone with a basic grasp on epistomology can tell you that an idea doesn't become 'more true' just because you 'tested' it. Science really shouldn't be democratic. It should be reserved for people with the mental faculties, and the personal humility to acknowledge that they aren't uncovering hidden truths about the universe, but instead creating elegant models that ultimately serve no other purpose than to provide some aesthetic pleasure for the audience.

>>512311233
>3 pbtid Italy PAID SHILL
Who the fuck are (You)?
did (You)r post just now appear on /pol/ via mystical means

>>512300265
legitimately go kill yourself

>>512287821 (OP)
No kidding. Chinks paid a literal criminal neurologist who just got out of prison to write a neurology textbook and the last chapter is so much bullshit your brain would explode. All the references were from China, and guess what the chapter was about? COVID and propping up the chink narrative. Mind blown.

And then there's this--trust the academics, trust the science. Sorry Trannys this pioneering gender study was literally made the fuck up. Every word of it is fake and fucking gay. Sorry you fell for a LARP and chopped your dick off.

>>512311438
I literally just named them, at least as far as your public school understanding of evolution is concerned. Everything is supposed to be downstream from random mutation and natural selection.

>>512311668
So at what point does random mutation + natural selection fail to explain what is happening in the video?

>>512311452
obviously a scientific method exists, as does science which has revealed some foundational operation of the universe.
That most aspects and fields of science remain uncertain or have unsolved problems and lack evidence/provability (which is an inherent part of the history and method of human sciences overall) is what the superstitious have—for centuries—nagged and picked-away at.
This type of certainty is what is being promulgated, right now for example, by the "tech" (<--misnomer) overlords with their AI hypegrift. Our existence is just a matrix black box which will 'solve' our entire total lives once we're all plugged into it

>>512306971
>irreversibly damage your body because it is popular
That actually is pretty womanlike.

>>512288317
>political bias in scientific publishing
Are any of you oldfags on here remembering the East Anglican University climate change scandal? Some based dude in Romania? Bulgaria? hacked the EAU email system and published their emails. I was watching "live" as poltards were pining the emails to prove it was real. Now you can't find ANYTHING about it, but Pepe Farms remembers.
>bro, how are we going to bury the Medieval Warming period in the data?
>we can fudge the numbers?
>don't know if that will work, after all this is history? How can we make all of that disappear?

These utter retards were emailing each other on how to hide this data so NOW appears to be the warmest period in history and it's all the fault of humans.

I wish I were as anal about saving everything back then because you can't even find a copy of those emails.

OLDFAGS COME BACK--and please, please have been wiser than I was back then and you save all the emails and drama as the globohomo tried to stamp out the scandal!

>>512311452
I don't necessarily disagree with you. But for the sake of this argument I am adopting his high school view of "science".

>>512311820
>obviously a scientific method exists, as does science which has revealed some foundational operation of the universe.
those are ideas, and in so far as they exist, they exist in the minds of people. as for how closely what those ideas have produced corresponds with 'some foundational operation of the universe', there is not really any way for us to tell. I do not think we are any closer to some objective truth than a caveman. The idea of an objective truth that is knowable to use, is something that Kant goes to great lengths to explain the absurdity of.

>>512311781
>So at what point does random mutation + natural selection fail to explain what is happening in the video?
At what point does non-random mutation + natural selection fail to explain it? Or, for that matter, at what point does divine intervention fail to explain it?

>>512312182
We've reached the point where you don't disagree with theory evolution at any step from the way it describes past or makes predictions about the future. Right now you're proposing alternative, more complex theories, and for whatever reason think there is still an argument to be had.

It's a shame you're too stupid and ungraceful to admit your defeat and instead try to keep going on, but I'm satisfied with this outcome too.

>>512312153
>objective truth
(none of my post stated that anything about science, was that)
Yes agreed: One of the discoveries from Bohr, Heisenberg and quantum physics was that going to the subatomic scale is not going to produce that.
Other principles and discoveries of science and engineering remain, despite this

>>512312560
We've reached the point where we circle back here: >>512308533
>The scientific method makes testable predictions. Your "scientific" hoax tells a just-so story about the evidence and stops at that.

>>512287821 (OP)

I didn't trust jack shit. In fact, I was questioning this horse shit from day one, especially seeing how they kept changing their minds about everything. And my distrust goes back way before Covid. I stopped believing "science" at face value right around the time they said that spending a fair amount of your leisure time playing video games makes you an addict with a mental illness, but getting your genitalia mutilated and hopping on artificial hormones to become the opposite sex because you feel like you were somehow born in the wrong body is perfectly normal.

>"science can't be trusted"
>"and here's a scientific paper that says so!"
oh the irony.

i think we should shoot people who are anti-science. it may not work, but how will we know if we never try the experiment?

>>512305077
no, they can't. there are many cognitive biases that actually affect smart people worse than dumb people.

if you're smart but ignorant your intelligence literally only makes you better at rationalising to yourself why your guess must be right, for example, and results in an unwarranted level of confidence that dumb people who know they're dumb don't possess and which thus makes them more cautious. just one example.

there is no substitute for actually knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

>>512312808
Why are you losing your mind with rage about scientists putting the "scientific" establishment to the test?

>>512289447
>a.k.a cooking the numbers to reach a desired conclusion
They were absolutely cooking the numbers for COVID. I got ONE (ONE) academic paper that floated across my desk that was old guard scientists going after the fake and gay COVID research. They were improperly using P values to cook their data and the old farts caught them. Not that it did much to help but it was nice seeing honest researchers diving into all the fake and gay COVID bullshit.
>>512292235
There is also a massive amount of politics in academia research etc. MASSIVE. Even before COVID and Trannys there were constant infights and sabotaging shit happening. Geeks and Nerds are just as vile as "the rest of us" when it comes to getting that name on a paper. Pressure to publish can lead to doctoring the research.

We like to pretend we're ahead of the game. But anything we discover the chinks steal, and corporations try to destroy so they can keep robbing us blind. Anyone seen Malcom Bendal's open source Thunderstorm Generator? Mind blown, it's amazing that the device itself is 100 percent open source (preventing Malcom's untimely demise) any application you invent using it, is yours. RIght now there are thousands of garage scientists building their own, meeting with others, discussing different configurations, testing, This work ties in nicely with Geoffry Drum's work (Land of Chem) on the true functions of the pyramids, or Thunderbolts Project Electric Universe Model. It is mind blowing how hard "academia" has pushed back on the EU model when literally everything coming back from the massive space telescopes affirms it. Once seen it cannot be unseen. After watching their videos on the Southwest you can see the lightening scars and then watch that wood burning with electricity correlation and you literally can't deny it. Now I see video that feature google earth for one reason or another and those structures are literally all over the world

There is science being done, but not by academia!

>>512313060
i'm so far past anger that i don't even want to torture people anymore or get revenge. i just want them cleanly and efficiently disposed of, as if they never even existed. there's no rage here. only hate.

>>512312666
ok satan
but really what today in the early 21st century we all need is a full distrust of 'medical science' as : "science"
Modern medicine especially after World War II is far out of control.
Another misnomer is 'public health' <--which is largely a *civil engineering* problem (clean water supplies and sewage disposal in municipal areas)
The incessant focus *PROPELLED BY PHARMACEUTICAL CORPORATIONS* after World War II (same pharmaceutical corporations that *CONTROL ALL OF EARTH'S MEDICAL SCHOOLS*) on 'germs', 'medicine', vaccines and prescription of all forms of synthesized chemicals and drugs, is what needs to be doubted and reined in.

"Medicine" is no longer a science, especially when tied in with the Food/Big Agriculture industry that is poisoning the Earth and its population (in the financial interest of supplying the "medical" industry with more sick patient fodder) with synthetic garbage. It's a death cycle
For health to be attained we don't need "medical science" only proper civil engineering (for adequate prevention of disease vectors in populated settlements) and individual observation of whole food intake and physical exercise.
There's no need *AT ALL* for any 'medical science' or what that multiTRILLION $$$$$ industry is whoring/selling

>>512312808
>hehe I'll just remove the control group then my science will always be right

>>512312560
>>512312646
You realize it's now known that the random mutation just-so story was false? No one could prove it because it wasn't true.

>>512312646
Just-so stories don't make predictions and proceed to prove them too. I really don't understand why people like you keep going on when you've already clearly lost the argument. Low IQ and ignorance don't fully explain it, I don't think. And fear of losing face on an anonymous forum makes no sense either. Whatever, I'll be quitting the thread now.

>>512287821 (OP)
big bang theory was cute because it actually captured how peer research worked in the US right before jeets and chinks ruined it bought and paid for by US corporations and universities

>>512313239
>actual psychotic rage
Why are you losing your mind with rage about scientists putting the "scientific" establishment to the test? Aren't they doing a good thing for science?

>>512313286
>Just-so stories don't make predictions and proceed to prove them
Exactly. Neither did yours. And now I'm adding your subhuman flag to the filter. Feel free to consult >>512313277 for the final word on this matter and seethe about being a gullible, scientifically illiterate retard.

>>512298359
Try finding contact information for people outside academia that study on and hypothesize on the subject of your paper. Try poking around Thunderbolts Project there's a lot of different scientists and citizen scientists working on that. I personally find the EU theory to solve almost all our "origins" issues, it's like a big AHA--so that's it. Make sure you copyright your paper before sending it off.

Personally I think it's more a magneticelectric universe, meaning I feel there's more magnetism involved than electricity alone.

>>512310605
I spent time performing experiments for a researcher investigating the workings of the innate immune response.
So, you tell me all about the scientific method because it (the scientific method) seemed pretty simple to me and I want to make sure I wasn't doing it wrong in my hubris.

>>512313275
the people we shoot would be the test group actually. the test would be "can they still cause problems if they're dead?"

i don't want to prejudge anything but i have high hopes for this hypothesis.

>>512313345
oh that's easy. i'm not.

>>512313426
>And now I'm adding your subhuman flag to the filter.
Kek it's this Maldovian again

>>512313503
Actually you should shoot scientists first to see if the stream of academic misinformation stops.

>>512313286
They are defending their self-concept. It took me ages to figure out (I have been posting on this website for 19 years) but basically everyone has a vision of who they are inside their head. Even if they've lost the argument they can still stem the bleeding by managing their defeat.

>>512303187
>hey even have misspellings and grammar mistakes.
And they often make up words. Like "Mcdonaldization" or "Poodle Option". Not kidding. Apparently there's some reward one gets for making up a word in one's research project that enters our everyday language and goes "viral".

Poodle Option sent me. I could not, for the fn life of me, figure out wtf he was trying to say.

Was it "I don't like German Shepherds but there's always the Poodle Option if one want's a smart protective dog."

That paper had absolutely nothing to do with dogs.

>>512313603
i mean you could, but seeing as most academic misinformation comes from outside the scientific community and only pretends to be science (see, for example, the OP of this thread talking about paper mills) it's a weaker hypothesis.

you are right though that targeting the clever people who manipulate the stupid people is probably more ethical than targeting the stupid people who are manipulated. but i refuse to see the stupid people as victims. they want to be lied to. they want someone to tell them that they're smart and right and they want that more than they want to BE right, and that's how they end up being lied to - because they're not smart or right, so the only people who'll say that they are are liars.

anyone who tells you something that you agree with is useless to you and wasting your time.

>>512313622
>it took me ages to figure out
>(19 years)
>but basically everyone has a vision of who they are inside their head.

>>512313813
Yeah it is pretty pretentious when you put it like that.

What I mean is it took me ages to understand just how deep the emotional/personality undercurrents run through people's behaviours. I basically never even bother arguing facts anymore because the facts don't matter. People choose what to believe based on feelings and then make up the facts that work for it. It's all about changing how people feel.

>>512313941
>it is pretty pretentious
Not at all. I believe it actually took you 19 years to get that far. And it will take you 119 to figure out you're projecting.

>>512314012
That's a pretty good zinger, I respect it.

To be fair to myself I haven't slept in 36 hours but yes, I said a very stupid thing that poorly represented my thoughts.

>>512314147
>I said a very stupid thing
Yes.

>that poorly represented my thoughts.
No. You simply have stupid thoughts that are exactly represented by your stupid words.

>>512311017
OMG that's great. Is this the East Anglican fraud event or a different one?

Ten years ago MORE than 40% of ‘science’ papers were considered DELIBERATE FRAUD.
At the end of the covid hoax with everything dragged out to the fore about hoax science they were saying
>All science has to be considered deliberate fraud until proven otherwise.
I don’t know why it’s so shocking
>smoke cigarettes
>especially if you have a cough
>they are good for you and we are doctors
They had just spent 100 years being paid to say.

>>512314200
>No. You simply have stupid thoughts that are exactly represented by your stupid words.
Incorrect. I have expressed myself much more articulately in other threads that I could find in the archive if I wanted to. In any event I'm unhappy with how I expressed myself and that's what matters to me.

>>512314268


See --------------- >>512305771

>>512314322
It really doesn't matter how you express your wrong and retarded opinions. The Finn retard you were jacking off was objectively wrong on every count.

>>512299551
Isn't that just a triangular antenna?

>>512314440
>It really doesn't matter how you express your wrong and retarded opinions.
True, but you can only assess whether they're wrong or retarded through how I express them so your understanding of whether they are wrong and retarded is dependent on my expression of them.

>The Finn retard you were jacking off was objectively wrong on every count.
I didn't even bother reading his posts or your argument, I just assumed you were wrong and I'm happy continuing to do that for now. Objection noted, though.

>>512314632
>I didn't even bother reading
>I just assumed
Doesn't surprise me. You have a track record of mind-numbingly retarded behavior and this data point fits right in.

>>512292235
She looks like Veronica Castro

>>512314719
I have badly fucked up in this thread, that's for sure. Time to go to bed.

>>512313805
>We at The Ministry of Science reject the notion of "paper mills" as misinformation coming from outside of the scientific community
See: >>512301639

>>512310824
>The sad part is despite being easily disproven, like DNA (same test same blood twice is always two different results)
I've performed DNA restriction and electrophoresis of tissue from the same organism multiple times to test for an experimentally-induced mutation and compared it to the organism's non-edited kin and the results were consistent.

>If you watch the show “Forensic Files” you can see that they
>-plant evidence
>-lie to promote retard on screen
>-falsify documents they use in court
That's the crux of the issue.
Dishonesty