"Conservatism in particular is underpinned by a cynical view of human nature (people are self-orientated, driven by needs and desires, and have a poor sense of reason to keep these drives in check (see Hobbes, Burke etc)). If you think everyone is corrupt then it not only makes it easier for you to make moral transgressions, you behaving like a moral degenerate actively underpins your worldview and confirms your chosen ideology. Its like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Partaking is the ultimate evil in western society (pedophilia) becomes the ultimate confirmation of conservative ideology. "See. We really are, deep down, a horrendous species who will do wicked things if given absolute licence to behave according to our base desires"...and thats why there are so many conservatives are pedophiles."


Is he right?

Kinda, yeah
Pretty big overlap with the kinds of religious fucknuts who rationalize the fact that they would murder and rape their neighbors if it weren't for the promis of eternal suffering, getting mindfucked at the concept of people who just... don't want to do that. Hey, look what a major demographic overlap between the two is.

>>512293021 (OP)
Trump was never conservative. He has more in common with this gay Jew from New York than with rural Americans.

MEMEFLAGGOTS NOW UNASHAMEDLY POSTING DUMB MSM KIKES

Send this limey cunt back already.

>>512293021 (OP)
>people are self-orientated, driven by needs and desires, and have a poor sense of reason to keep these drives in check

is this not true? hundreds of years of liberalism has yet to even suggest otherwise

>>512293985
Conservatives are hicks that diddle their own kids. They don't have the brainpower to set up an international pedo cabal. That's what the Catholic Church is for.

>>512293021 (OP)
Oh look it’s a seething kike. A living wojak

>>512293021 (OP)
Pretty much every conservative eventually gets outed as a pedo, so yeah he's pretty much spot on.
And every time you hear about some corruption case, it's always a conservative. Conservatives seem to think that everyone else is corrupt and therefore it's ok for them to be corrupt too.

>>512294325
That’s due to liberalism specifically and the people who live under it. Hunter gatherer communities rarely have those problems, sociopaths are identified and kicked out of the tribe.

>>512293021 (OP)
Yes. Conservatives have a better grasp of reality in that matter

>>512293021 (OP)
He could be describing Liberals too. The only difference is that Liberals accept that humans are degenerates and say that it should be allowed whereas Conservatives pretend that it should be stopped.

>>512293021 (OP)
This is the difference between a conservative pedo and a leftist pedo; the conservative knows he is doing something wrong, feels some level of shame and has to come up with a cope for it, the leftist believes he is a perfect moral being and molesting kids is good for them actually. Moral transgressions are much easier for those who believe they are on the "right side of history", that everything they do is justified in pursuit of some "greater good", and that is leftists to a t.

>>512293021 (OP)
Why is capitalism considers "conservative" now lol? Capitalism is an economically liberal enlightenment invention and the antithesis to real conservative (ie spiritual-aristocratic hierarchy).

>>512293021 (OP)
Conservatives are wrong, and the proof of it is that as we have modernized society has become universally better, housing more affordable, people overwhelmingly less depresssed, oh wait...literally the opposite is the case.

This right here is why the left has collapsed everywhere except for the ultra far far left. It is so obvious due to the left's own internal reasoning that Whig History (which is just Jewish Tikkun Olam repackaged for goyim) is wrong. The past really was better. The internet allows people to see just how much more safe and stable societies could be if they were homogenous, patriarchal, less gay and jewish. The ONLY explanations that do not involve conservative arguments are to go full blown commie and argue that Whig History still could work if they just pushed through 100% and go full commie. It is the last bastion of possible argument left to leftism. Pl

>>512294796
>Our pedos are better than your pedos.
Late-stage democracy kek

>>512293985
>Pretty big overlap with the kinds of religious fucknuts who rationalize the fact that they would murder and rape their neighbors if it weren't for the promis of eternal suffering, getting mindfucked at the concept of people who just... don't want to do that.

This. Always bizarre as shit when some christcuck screams about religious morality and how without it there are no rules etc.
what stops me from raping? Being a decent human being!

>>512293021 (OP)
I'm going to assume pedophile to male is rape to women. 80% interest under current definitions, half of them hate it/are afraid of it/social shaming. 5% of them think about it weekly, the rest 4 times a year.

>>512293021 (OP)
He's right in that that is what drove Qanon theory as well as the "gays are groomers" thought. There's a disconnect between why people could do anything and strong assumptions are made around the absolute worst. I get a lot of that is just political expediency; accusing your opponents of things so horrible you don't have to debate what makes them bad, but the strength of these theories and accusations come with assuming everyone is evil and corrupt and, if given money and power, would do evil shit just for enjoyment.

What he misses is that conservativism is traditional and believes in power being consolidated to fewer and fewer, excluding women and children from that power. Their rights and agency aren't traditionally factored in, they are property. If you have no respect for either, if they're equal on some level, the age of consent matters less and is more apparently a product of liberal society. It requires experts to settle on an age of consent and a state to enforce it.

>>512293021 (OP)
I don't view everyone as corrupt, the majority of people are good natured, it's just that minority of corrupt people are able to climb to the top of the food chain through abusing the goodwill of the majority, and this corrupt minority runs society and the institutions. This is an immutable pattern across all societies and forms of government, it's best to reduce the role of state power in our lives and let the family unit govern itself away from corrupt ruling institutions

>>512293985
You're delusional if you think that the average atheist wouldn't rape and murder if they didn't have to fear the legal consequences of it.
People ARE at their core, self-interested and only agree to the social contract because the benefits outweigh the cost.
People don't charge trenches with bayonets because they want to, they do it because commissars behind them will execute them for cowardice in front of the enemy otherwise.


I swear leftists are some of the dumbest fucking retards when it comes to understanding human nature.

>>512295481
"Everyone is corrupt" was necessary for their "Than you feel ok being corrupt" logic to work, because this is just projection.

>>512293021 (OP)
Who is that Heeb and why should I care about its opinion?

>>512295604
Some people have empathy. People like you who don't will never understand.

>you see the thing about my enemies is that they are defined (by me) by being selfish and evil and corrupt
wow, riveting work oliver, a real 21st century philosophical savant

>>512293021 (OP)
It appears that far more leftists are pedophiles. Not that they have a monopoly but this logic doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

>>512294778
The difference between liberalism and conservatism is reason. Like conservatives liberals view people as individualistic, driven by needs and desires. But unlike conservatism liberalism views people as possessing a strong sense of reason to keep their drives in check. Hence their belief in limited government and laws/rights enshrining the primacy of the individual. (Let's not muddle up liberalism with socialism/communism and other left wing ideologies)

>>512294497
Noble savage slop. Even in your own example, people only 'behaved' in the tribe, because the consequence for allowing self interest to play out, meant getting kicked out of the tribe and dying to a cave bear or some shit.

So instead of raping every women in the tribe, to pass on their genes, that impulse is suppressed to increase the chance they'll get to fuck one woman and pass on their genes.

Altruism of the non-reciprocal/transactional kind, wouldn't be conserved by evolution for long. So it's dubious that it exists in any meaningful amount in humans on average.

>>512295604
Please project harder so we can laugh at you

>>512293021 (OP)
>Oliver on
literally who gives a shit

>>512293021 (OP)
he ain't entirely wrong, butt the flip side is Liberals are underpinned by an uncontrolled desire to control other people, for control's sake, as a substitute for having talent or productivity that would naturally lead a person to have some "control" over others.

You typical Liberal is someone who failed, but is still determined to be "the boss", and there is no talking them out of it.

>>512295604
Leftists really beyond all hope when it comes to claiming they know how humans operate. They always insist that they somehow are above the facts of life that the mere existence of the right proves.

People are so fucking gay man I hate this planet.

>>512294478
How many journalists trying to debunk pizzagate turned out to be kid fuckers? For that matter how many of the politicians involved were leftists?
$65,000 in hot dogs and pizza flown in, pizza related map. Or just Colbert with that kid. Or uh, yeah any gay pride festival or tranny time story hour.

>>512295731
Empathy is just be ability to understand others, and I do. I can read them quite well, and understand the incentives that drive them. I'll admit that I don't feel those emotions, only mask well enough to pass for normal.

>>512293021 (OP)
Now do sniveling rat faced jews.

>>512293021 (OP)
we're driven by the knowledge niggers are rapists, thieves, and murderers.

>>512296116
Man it's so cool your guys stuff like this is online, forever, permanently. I just wrote it in one of those short composition notebooks when I was your age.
Hilarious.

>>512295481
Yep pretty much this. Not to the point of lolbertism but by and large this is what should be adhered to.

>>512296222
It’s nice when the psychopaths out themselves.

>>512296020
>Liberals: there should be an age of consent based on what experts find regarding brain development as well as societal standards regarding independence so kids are less likely to be coerced by powerful older people.
>Anon: You just have an uncontrolled desire to control other people, for control's sake, as a substitute for having talent or productivity that would naturally lead a person to have some "control" over others.
I guess you're right, regulating and controlling campaign finance and finance in general is just wanting to control for it's own sake. Fucking retard.

>>512293021 (OP)
That's a very interesting point of view OP, now how about Hunter Biden...

>>512296222
Wish you ESL types would figure out the English language a bit better before trying to convey whatever is rattling around in your head

>Your age
I'm pretty confident you were not born yet when I was the age you think I am, little zoom zoom.

>>512296020
Thats not (classical) liberalism. Thats whatever Americans call "liberalism"

>>512294316
This.
Fuck this brown snaggle tooth commie fuckhead
>commie fuckheads invent a new term - MAP's - to justify their kid fucking
>commie fuckheads advocate for ugly pedophile men in dresses grooming small children
>commie fuckheads advocate for sterilizing children chemically and physically
>commie fuckheads advocate for the genital mutilation of children
>commie fuckheads invent new cynical term called "gender affirming care" for castrating children
>commie fuckheads murder children in utero by the millions - call it "a constitutional right"
>commie fuckheads aid and abet - and defend - invader fecaloids who form grooming gangs who kidnap, rape and murder children
But no - it's not them being degenerate kid fucking pederasts, anon
It's THEM who are the defenders of children, anon
It's YOU who are evil if you disagree with them
YOU are the kid fucking degenerate
....
This motherfucker needs to be thrown off the roof of a middling-tall skyscraper
Whatever is left can be shoveled up off the sidewalk and sent back to whatever place shat him out

>>512294327
>>512294478
>>512295256

>>512293021 (OP)
>driven by needs and desires, and have a poor sense of reason to keep these drives in check
The correct IS. Every great thinker and holy man has come to this conclusion, because it's true.

>behaving like a moral degenerate actively underpins your worldview and confirms your chosen ideology
The wrong OUGHT.

Christianity, for a counter-example, understands that human nature is low and evil, but rather than saying, "them's the breaks", it demands an entire reversal of human nature.

>>512293021 (OP)
I hate that rat-faced anglo jew. Not even because of what he says, just look at him. So ugly. What are ugly anglos allowed on TV? Should be illegal.

>>512295604
>Failing to understand evolution
>Failing to understand the implications of game theory and how that influenced evolution
Definitely a conservative retard.

>mfw there are anons who weren't even alive during the current year

>>512296643
There have been plenty of peculiar christian individuals and cults that believe that sin brings them closer to god.

>>512293021 (OP)
Unfunny rat faced khazar

>>512296390
>extreme doubt
If anything the fact that he'd admit it openly is proof he's to stupid to be one.

>>512296558
Ah there's that deep, intimate, almost clinical evaluation. You saw through my simple words to the heart of who I am and are using it against me.
If you were the age I was when I was your age I would use your body to post an edgy comment, you can't stop me whoever you are.

>>512293021 (OP)
Didn't Burke envision Robespierre's reign of terror after the French Revolution? This is the problem with seeing politics through the filter of US politics. It would also apply to projects like the Khmer Rouge. The cynical view of human nature is not groundless.

>>512293021 (OP)
Based cuck Brit right on the money for once. Rightcels are subhumans collectively holding humanity back for a million fucking years. An actual intelligent species would’ve euthanized them all millennia ago. Instead our species is dominated by sociopathic pedophiles.

>>512294796
I think you both should be drawn and quartered

>>512297282
You are the reason Pinochet gassed up the helicopters
Imagine being so fucking fed up by you degenerate commie fuckheads that someone just started pitching you fuckheads headfirst out of a helicopter...
LITERALLY don't know what else to do with you

>>512297533
>impotent fantasies of violence he’ll NEVER actually DARE to commit in real life
Why do you faggots lie to yourselves that you’re not pathetic retarded subservient cucks? Living in a fake fantasy reality is not healthy.

>>512296643
The correct answer, IMO, is to recognize that people ARE driven by their needs and desires an will naturally put their own wellbeing above that of others whenever they come into conflict... and the solution there is to minimize the friction of that CONFLICT as much as possible.

People's desires are individual, and many desires are not good for other people (you desire the pretty girl to fuck you, she desires to not do that, you can't both be happy with the outcome) but the NEEDS of people are largely universal. Desires aside, people need food. Shelter. Good health. A sense of fulfillment, whether that comes from work or religion or community or hobbies. When people don't have these things, they destabilize either slowly or quickly. When a LOT of people don't have these things the whole culture suffers.

Very little harm comes from everyone being granted these basic necessities. It shouldn't hurt you that someone else gets to have a house or a job, because you should also have a house and a job and them getting one doesn't take it away from you. Some things in life are zero-sum, but applying that logic to everything is crab bucket mentality.

Provide for your people and give them the tools to achieve success and happiness, and you only need to police the worst impulses that would cause harm to themselves and others. Restrict people from their basic needs, and you have a culture that starts eating each other to survive and fighting over scraps, which is a culture that fundamentally cannot survive for long.

>>512293021 (OP)

Posting anything Oliver said on his NLP-infused show is a sign of a weak mind or a liar. Probably both in this case.

It's not a joke. He's a sociopath who studied NLP, uses it on his show, and is a fundamentally dishonest person.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26200648-stranger-than-truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Efi4os7-nQ

>>512297533
>for the crime of speaking ill of McKensey jews making shit worse for everyone, for the crime of speaking ill of the Biden administration for their handling of rail policy which led to the East Palestine disaster, we sentence you to a helicopter ride

https://youtu.be/AiOUojVd6xQ
https://youtu.be/AJ2keSJzYyY

>>512297076
Yep. He published "Reflections on the Revolution in France", in which he gave conservative ideology a cohesive form based on a cynical understanding of human nature, a year after the french revolution and 3 years BEFORE the Reign of Terror.

>>512295898
Which has been proved retarded. 99% of individuals are retarded, turns out genetics are a real thing and you need a strong aristocracy to keep the plebs in line.

>>512295604
/Thread

>>512297765
This criticism is just about his views on trans issues and use of the word "cis".

>>512293021 (OP)
>"only MY perspective is correct, if you don't agree you are evil or stupid or both"

Oi its current year bruv

>>512297754
>Very little harm comes from everyone being granted these basic necessities.
Ya, until you realize that all resources are finite, and generated by the efforts of someone.
Then you realize that if people are given all of their necessities, they might not actually produce any surplus value at all, and just lay about making more parasites.
Welfare sounds good, hell, I think safety nets are good. But it's delusional to believe that you can just guarantee basic necessities, no strings attached, and not have a rapidly growing parasite class take root.

You can see that playing out in real time in the US and Europe. Generous welfare system that accumulates more and more people who spend their entire life on it, all while procreating and making more people who will spend their whole life on the dole

>>512298123
>surplus

>>512297919
Yeah its increasingly difficult to support classical liberal, neoliberal, or left-wing ideologies that are based on optimistic views of human nature the more you examine history and current global issues. On the other hand, a major issue with many conservative ideologies is the assumption that an elite individual or group can somehow rise above human flaws and govern as a kind of benevolent authority/monarch.

>>512295466

> if given money and power, would do evil shit just for enjoyment.

The opposite is true. People who would in desperate times hurt someone to protect themselves or their family will be more temperate in their responses if given power.

But what is also true is that people who do not have empathy can more easily take power, which is why so many barbaric sociopaths have power.

Me or you wouldn't wellstone our political opponent, or allow our Staff Secretary to amass power for us through child rape blackmail.

If I had power, there would be violence. But I hope and believe it would be measured.

>>512293021 (OP)
>le you hate thing because sekretly your are thing
I hate this false logic judaic sophism that leftists use
>frame arguement based on nonsense
>use nonsense to support ancillary point
>voila you are actually the pedophile

>>512293021 (OP)
Who?

>>512295466

If the left stopped putting people like Hillary, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, AOC, Elizabeth Warrn, Nancy Pelosi, Katie Hobbs, Maggie Toulouse Oliver, Susan Rice and Liz Cheney into power, they wouldn't have proven that many women aren't fit to lead.

It's kind of like that joke Rickie Gervais has about how the Kardashian dude has forwarded women's rights but hasn't done a whole lot for their driving record.

For me, I believe emotionally impulsive people who use emotional decision making shouldnt have power [like it's ok to break this rule because I hate Trump; but whoops I hate him because I was programmed by sweet talkers like serial abusers but I lack the maturity to nowq see I made a mistake and help fix it so I will double down. This isn't just women, it's some men too. My father is like this, not a discerning mind but a totally externally steered emotional based machine. More women are like this than men, but it is not a binary thing, like how gender isn't binary.

>>512295481

When you realize this, you become libertarian.

When you realize just how far your own government has gone, you become anarcho syndicalist.

>>512293021 (OP)
Isn't this homo best friends with the Pedostas?

>>512298570

He's a NLP dork whose wife is way hotter than he should have gotten so he probably has moneyed connections too.

Before I saw what he was doing with his platform, I enjoyed his comedy. But he's a serpent. A manipulator.

>>512298756
>This isn't just women, it's some men too
Trump is epitome of this. Leading america lurching from one melodramatic crisis to the next.

>>512297753
Your fake concern is almost convincing
You kid fucking trash enjoy the protection of the establishment at the moment
But cops and soldiers only do things when you pay them
And the US is about 40 trillion in debt

>>512293021 (OP)
>Pedolfile Olvier: I am not a pedofile; those conservatives are. All the kids I fuck want it. So it's not rape.

>>512293021 (OP)
Literally who?
Is this the "Chud" IRL?

>>512297864
Who fucking cares
Broken clock
Even that fat fuck retard seljuk horse fucker Cenk is right once in a blue moon

>>512299075
>fake concern
I’m not concerned with anything you do or say, ESL retard

Thank goodness we have comedians to lead us

>>512298123
Yes, resources are finite. But for a country like the USA, resource are more than plentiful enough. The problem is that that those resources are, currently, very badly placed as they are being concentrated and mismanaged.

The wealth of the 5 richest men in america has more than doubled in the past 5 years. That represents a further concentration of wealth in just those 5 people of trillions of dollars. Where do you think that money came from? What do you think everyone else is feeling more desperate and strapped for cash?

What we have here is a mismatch of catering to desires (the rich want to get richer, but they don't need to) at the expense of other people's needs (the need to have homes, healthcare, food, and jobs. Without these things they are not simply unhappy, they risk entering a death spiral). This is a dangerous situation to create, because the greater this imbalance becomes the more likely it is that the masses will satisfy their needs by any means necessary.

>>512298939

As a student of this for some years, I can partially agree with you but the distinction is relevant and real. Much of your perception of Trump, including his reactions, is tainted by propaganda. He is a Narcissist, but a highly empathic one. He is what is called 'Grandiose Narcissist' where he wants to be loved and he wants to feel as if he earned it. The flip side of that coin comes from Narcissists of another kind, Malignant Narcissists. George Soros and Hillary Clinton are classic Malignant Narcissists. If you don't support them and 'love' [but their version of that means idolatry] them then you get the stick. Suicided. Sodomized to death with a knife. Bombed. Erased. Zersetsunged.

Most important though is to go back and replay the last 10 years with the knowledge that Russiagate was totally paid for by Hillary. That there is no evidence that E. Jean Carrol ever even met Trump, and there is evidence that her statements and timeline cannot be possible, due to the manufacturing date of the dress she claimed to have been wearing. That Trump's valuation of Mar-A-Lago was approved by the banks and the loans were paid back. That Tisha James who claims their appraisal of Mar-A-Lago was the same as the same sized empty acreage in the same location committed years of mortgage fraud. Now proven. That the election in 2020 was clearly, obviously stolen. That Birx and Fauci were consistently lying to Trump, along with people like James Comey and his own retarded, conflicted, moronic Generals.

History would have been written by the victors, and our descendants would believe all the same lies you did. But don't blame yourself, they are masters of lying. They know our psychology. They know enough people with makeup repeat the lie and you will believe it, and it will be hard for you to change your mind because we are not perfect.

>>512293021 (OP)
literally when or where has he said any of that? Because I can't find a single source.

This is a good tactic to win back the demographics that they've lost. Anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is stupid, racist, evil, and ALSO a pedophile. Hell they're probably also wh*te or a man *spits*. Keep telling them that over and over and we can win in 2028!

>>512297866
Viereck wrote a lot of good stuff on conservatism too.

>>512298412
It's interesting seeing intelligent people write rather than the usual direction-brained polarity. I unfortunately feel that Oliver, Stewart, etc. end up being echo chamber infotainment. It doesn't offer lessons people struggle to wrap their heads around either intellectually or emotionally.

>>512299497
>Anyone who doesn't vote Democrat is stupid, racist, evil, and ALSO a pedophile
nobody is saying that. IF however you are voting for Trump, you are voting for someone who is a retard, liar, racist, felon, cheater and possible pedophile and saying that none of those attributes are a problem to you.

>>512296026
>Some people are more self-interested than others
>People who are less self-interested naturally gravitate towards each other because they prefer to cooperate with each other over people who want to take advantage of them
> Gradually, people who are more self-interested integrate themselves within these societies once it becomes in their best interest to do so
>Self-interested behavior gradually becomes more prevalent at the expense of people who are less self-interested
>Eventually the degree of self-interest leads to the society becoming untenable and weakening to the point it is incapable of handling internal or external issues
>Society collapses
Rinse, wash, repeat. You are the problem.

>>512294113
This. He was a democrat when he was hanging with Epstein.

>>512293021 (OP)
No this guy is a retard with 20yo plebbitors writing his show.
Modern so-called conservatism is just one side of the uniparty, there's a stick with a fulcrum that moves left and right but it's still a uniparty.
Uniparty conservatism is viewing everyone as economic units to move around that's why they shill for migration just as much as left wing uniparty.

Right wing modern ideology is Traditionalists (Evola, Guenon, Eliade, Serrano); the Revolutionary Conservatives (Moeller van den Bruck, Spengler, Niekisch, Salomon, Junger, Strasser); the Nouvelle Droit (De Benoist, Guillaume Faye, Mohler, Steuckers, Krebs, Walker, Sunic) etc. There is no pedo bullshit allowed in such a far right society whereas a modern leftist would claim sexuality on a 'spectrum' jewish type nonsense and preach extreme tolerance of it meaning you see a shrink and don't have your head cut off

>>512293021 (OP)
>you behaving like a moral degenerate actively underpins your worldview and confirms your chosen ideology.

Word salad.
Seriously what the fuck was he trying to say here?

>>512299622
Actually Democrats do say that, continually, every day, in almost every discussion you can have with them.

>>512296600
Sitcoms are also crammed with social programming and work the same way.

>>512299480

it doesnt look like a quote from Oliver, it's not his style of speaking or cadence.

But OP probably knows what a polarizing figure Oliver is between informed, rational people and his audience of npc sheeple. He's like Stephen Colbert for people who think they are really smart.

>>512299769
no, that is your parody fantasy of Dems. You don't even interact with Dems, you just regurgitate what other /pol/tards are making up and you instantly believe because it fits your bias.

>>512299784

Yes I have been watching sitcoms from my youth and keeping an open mind. It's amazing how the lazy writing also crosses into the realm of destructive psychological programming. Like both Jack Ritter and Frasier Crane are abject sociopaths. fully 1/4 of their plot arcs have to do with misunderstandings which are perpetuated by lies and nasty behavior. They make lying into a joke.

I feel like shows like Star Trek rose above all that until spinoffs like Discovery ruined the themes of true human progress by literally taking a knee.

>>512299742
>There is no pedo bullshit allowed in such a far right society
LOL
Everyone knows you far right posers are pedos just the same as the regular conservatives

>>512299946
>Make statement about something that commonly happens in American political discourse, that anyone here would know about due to how widespread it is
>Some faggot from Europe responds with ACKSHUALLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND PEOPLE DON'T SAY THAT
What causes this phenomenon?

>>512293021 (OP)
>Is he right?

Absolutely not. Anyone that is making this issue about one political side or the other is a shill for the other side. Simple as. This is not a political issue, it goes far deeper than that. This is about this super tiny group that believes they have absolute power and view other human beings as slaves, merely to earn for them or to be used as play things. There is no, "but theres more of these creatures on the other side of the aisle". The swamp is deep and runs throughout.

>>512299439
I think there's a lot you're missing. You can read 'Indulging Kleptocracy', which was about the corruption industry that popped up in the UK, but the US is a part of the same phenomenon and that does includes Trump (who sold luxury real estate). The Dems never really explained this adequately because it would mean indicting themselves for not tackling the last 30 years of elite corruption. Pretty good Atlantic article here on that.
https://archive.is/uu3Iy
>By one estimate, more than $1 trillion now exits the world’s developing countries each year in the forms of laundered money and evaded taxes.
>As in the Russian case, much of this plundered wealth finds its way to the United States. New York, Los Angeles, and Miami have joined London as the world’s most desired destinations for laundered money. This boom has enriched the American elites who have enabled it—and it has degraded the nation’s political and social mores in the process. While everyone else was heralding an emergent globalist world that would take on the best values of America, Palmer had glimpsed the dire risk of the opposite: that the values of the kleptocrats would become America’s own. This grim vision is now nearing fruition.

>you conservatives are all weird pedophile perverts

>>512299174
Then why fake it?
Or is it just faggy passive/aggressive cattiness you rampaging homosexuals are known for?
Just staying on brand huh?

>>512299999
still waiting for a source how that is a widespread believe among Dems, the Dems you interact with daily supposedly.

>>512293021 (OP)
>if given absolute licence to behave according to our base desires
Amazing that he can't shut the fuck up about licences even after years in America, truly the British spirit is unbreakable

>>512295975
>much noble savage
Such a Jewish term

>>512293021 (OP)

He's not even remotely correct. But, he's a Hollywood idiot with nearly no useful education, a narcissist and a poor comedian, even. It's a minor miracle that he's even on TV, much less being watched.

>>512300123
I'm not providing you with anything. The opinion of a European about my country does not matter to me at all. I don't know who you think you're even trying to fool. Are you retarded?

>>512298295
Wow, almost like trade only functions when there's a surplus of productivity to enable easy trading.

>>512298123
>Muh billionaires.
An overwhelming majority of the wealth held by the richest men, is all bound up in speculative stock value that is almost impossible for them to ever realize in a meaningful amount. It's pieces of paper denoting ownership in a hyper inflated company.

The average person's experience is defined by the money supply, especially their own access to it, and the total productivity of resources. Everything is fucking wrecked, because money printer goes brrr has systematically devalued the dollar, while productivity has stagnated pretty hard.

More currency for the same(or less) amount of goods, means "everything is more expensive". Retard billionaires chasing short term gains instead of long term is absolutely a problem. But taking currency from some rich guy, and redistributing it so more people can spend it on X or Y, doesn't make more X or Y available, just more people trying to buy X or Y

It's not even rich people doing the hyper inflation, it's faggot politicians that found out they can print money to fund their pork projects, while skimming off the top. Then misdirect dumbass vooters away from the stealth tax that is inflation, toward billionaires. It used to be millionaires, before our politicians became millionaires with their corruption.

>>512300005

The false 2 party dishotomy is fake; but listen, there are far more abusers, far more corruption and far more theft on the modern left. As Scott Adams says, it's almost like the modern Democrat party is actually a criminal enterprise. Yes some republicans are corrupt. It's always the case. Bush and Cheney certainly weren't good leaders but corrupt isn't the word for Bush, he's more of a fool. But Biden? He's been lying his entire career and even in school he was plagiarizing. His entire family were crooks. Obama committed a coup and stole an election.

So no, it's not 'different but the same'. There is a substantive prevalence of corruption in the modern Democrat party while scumbags on the Republican side are more infrequent. You can see them vote against party lines, too.

>>512299994
You mean the uniparty, see you still think there's a difference that's why your IQ is barely room temperature.

>>512293021 (OP)
How cavalier our knight in shining armor is to call his political enemies the most foul creatures of the night. While accusing them of projecting their own evil onto the world
How very interesting

>>512300187
so you don't have a source, because your source is this echochamber of right wing nutcases called /pol/ that keeps telling you day in day out what Dems supposedly are thinking, saying and doing without you checking if it's true because all those insane lies already align with what you want to believe. And when I challenge you on that you talk about irrelevant nonsense and throw in a personal attack.
Classic.

>>512300168
He's an Englishman who was educated at Cambridge

>>512300301
No I mean the simple fact is that every right winger is a predator. You too. You're all evil scum and you know it.

>>512293021 (OP)
He’s right about conservatives. And conservatives are right about humanity.
Pederasty is practiced in tons of ancient societies along with cannibalism, human sacrifice, and brutal forms of sadistic and masochistic torture.
Libs are utterly delusional about the reality of human nature. We are a violent, corrupt, warring, raping, species who will perpetrate horrors that Oliver can’t even comprehend simply out of boredom.

>>512293985
You have a negative IQ. If there is no God, morality is just an opinion and is of no value or purpose. Telling me not to kill people because it's "bad", without there being a mandate from the divine, is like telling me that I shouldn't eat mayonnaise because you think it doesn't taste nice.
>B-but obviously you shouldn't hurt people. That's bad.
That's a presupposition derived from your own lack of wit. Demonstrate how and why it is wrong to harm other people, without defaulting to arguments based on presuppotions or people's feelings.

>>512293021 (OP)
no, he is wrong. most conservative people are kind of stoic. your impulses tell you to stay home all day and forget about your ambitions or something like that. the current conservative mindset is to overcome this to grind in the capitalist system which is rendered impossible when you take DEI and other shit to make it unfair

>>512300362
>Do you have VERIFIED SOURCE for that? Can you provide a TRUSTWORTHY FACT CHECK for that??? Why don't you care that I disagree with you? Can you blah blah blah
Go away Euro nigger

>>512300411
>f there is no God, morality is just an opinion and is of no value or purpose
I thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ I was not born chinese for this exact reason

>>512294497
Nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of primitive hunter gatherers literally kill and eat babies and shit. They participate in levels of depravity you couldn’t even believe.

>>512300091
I think you think I was ever concerned with your retarded ass probably because you’re a retard.

>>512300251
Didn't Piketty already outline this very succinctly.
>When the rate of return on capital significantly exceeds the growth rate of the economy..., then it logically follows that inherited wealth grows faster than output and income. People with inherited wealth need save only a portion of their income from capital to see that capital grow more quickly than the economy as a whole.
I don't see how you can get around this very simple premise with financial trickery. The end state will always be a rentier economy without some kind of direct intervention.
>A rentier economy is one where income is primarily generated from ownership of assets that produce rent, rather than from productive labor or manufacturing. This often leads to wealth concentration among a small elite, as they profit from controlling scarce resources or property.

>>512300411
Retarded typo near the end

>>512295316
Another retard. I've only met one atheist who wasn't a spastic when it comes to morality. His brain was logical enough to see that, if God and religion are made up, morality is made up too.

>>512293021 (OP)
Conservatives have all this radical ideas. Like that men are men and women are women. And that it's wrong to steal things from shops. I mean, they even believe that it's bad to take drugs on the street and piss on the floor.
Sane progressives, who just want a communist utopia where no one has to work and everyone has a private plane just wonder why so many people support these radical conservative ideas...

>>512300123

Classic liberal garbage.

>"Prove to me that 2 + 2 = 4. Go ahead. Find me 3,000 math texts that all confirm that equation. I'll wait, but you won't do it, because you can't, which means I'm right."

Even if they did compile a statistically significant sampling of confirmed Liberal talking points, you'd just fallaciously question a source, or the sample size, or any other variable in the equation, then once proven wrong, walk away like it never happened, then come back here the very next day with the same idiocy.

And this is why war is the only solution. Because of people like you.

>>512300019

You just quoted the atlantic so I can't have a serious conversation with you.

So Trump built luxury real estate and there is some innate corruption in that? The fuck? He's admitted playing the game with them, donating to the right people, benefiting from tax loopholes. Is that corruption? If so everyone who does due diligence and dots their i's and crosses their t's in our society is not only corrupt but a mass murderer for paying taxes for war. So you've completely lost the 'rational, cogent' argument here. It's nonsense.

No corruption is paying for a fake dossier, then spying on a political opponent using it. Slandering him in the media. Using the law to go after him for four years. Paying for research that leads to a pandemic then lying about it. THAT is corruption. You're just word salad poor ass attempt at dissembling muck headed fucking asshole.

The Fucking Atlantic. My sides.

>>512293021 (OP)
>listen, listen, listen goy just lower your guard so I can punch you in the mouth again
Yah, nah

>>512295194
Americans are so thoroughly liberal that they can’t properly conceive of aristocratic ideals to begin with. Egalitarianism pervades all American ideologies except for modern racism which is why it’s the most persecuted and chastized belief system

>>512294414

>>512293021 (OP)
>If you think everyone is corrupt then it not only makes it easier for you to make moral transgressions
I disagree with this bit, but the rest is pretty spot on. As much as we've developed empathy as a means of social cohesion, most people are self-oriented and driven by needs and desires. Everything that's alive is self-oriented when it comes down to it, it's not human nature. It's just nature.

>>512294796
>one pedo is moraly supperior
Holy fuck thats retarded

>>512300758

While the sentiment is a vocal minority, it exists across all forms of social media and many of our interpersonal relations. The Thanksgiving dinner table proves it. You can find polling on the number of families who were divided to the point of excluding relatives on Thanksgiving. When you have these debates, they are never debates. They are a spewing of one side of yesterday's or last week's talking point. It can never go beyond that because they never make considerate, rational analysis of these subjects, they just react emotionally to them and remember the talking points.

The brainwashing has been massive and the ones on the left are the victims of it currently, which is why until very recently, the majority of the left has been irrational. The past year has been an eye opener for many of them.

>>512295316
The “>uhhmmmm idk try being a decent human being” folks always end up being rapists themselves tho. Conservatives are right. People are evil. Libs just want to have their evil go unchecked and unpunished or even inverted to be seen as good.

>>512300411
Hobbes discussed this in the 17th century.
In his view, in a natural state without government, life is violent and chaotic ("solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short"). To escape this, individuals use reason to recognize that peace is in their best interest. They agree to mutual rules—like the Golden Rule ("do unto others as you would have them do unto you) to ensure their own safety and well-being.
For Hobbes this idea that living in a civilised society is better than living in a state of nature, and that it is reliant on suppression of our base drives, has "a priori" status. We use our inherent sense of reason to work this out.

>>512293021 (OP)
That limey bastard red pilled me when he said "you need to get your news from trusted sources like nyt". Broke my tv that day....

>>512300123

>>512299983
And when you remove the laugh track the nonexistent "comedy" falls flat on its face. Another common theme is the cantankerous and backwards white guy who is always the butt of the joke. Controversial themes like homosexuality and race mixing are presented and characters like Archie Bunker and Al Bundy would show their disgust only to be hen pecked into submission by the wise progressive women supported by cheers from the audience.

>>512301084
>until very recently, the majority of the left has been irrational
The projection is always hilarious

>>512300557
i apologize for my countryman who apparently got lost on his way to plebbit
>ha-ha wdym dems call conservatives every name under the sun
>in a thread about some lib calling conservatives pedos and all that
we enjoy the pottery and let him be surprised when radicalization happens all around him FOR NO REASON AT ALL
To the dutch nigger: remember, allt his is because "right-wingers" are just retarded and evil! No irony here!

>>512301167
I’m no philosopher but the idea that a group of people will somehow certainly come to better moral conclusions than a single person seems pretty retarded, groups of people reason themselves into all sorts of internally coherent atrocities like communism, death cults, child sacrifice, etc

>>512293021 (OP)
He didn't say any of that.
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/john-oliver-slams-trump-epstein-files-switch-up-1236471915/

>>512294113
And yet he was voted in by conservatives.

>>512301317

See all you have is schoolyard insults. You can't debate. You ironically just proved my point.

Which of us is more rational? Let's do a small test;

- You got an untested MRNA gene therapy for covid when there was no evidence people in your age group were at risk from it

- You got that untested gene therapy not knowing anything about it except what you heard on TV and from talking to people about what they heard on TV. [Not forgetting social media, which you supported censorship on so you never got the facts there either]

- You believe hunter's laptop was all made up.

- You believed Russia helped Trump with the election.

You are, very clearly, provably, the irrational one.

So now it's time for you to shut the fuck up, loser.

>>512293021 (OP)
He's completely right. Deference to authority is the most core value of conservative ideology, and that desire is borne out of a primal distrust of others. People MUST be inherently looking out for themselves, and trying to fuck you over for personal benefit. Thus, the only ways you can remedy this are by fucking them over first, or by having some authority figure come in and forcing people to do what you want them to do.

This is why they believe there is no morality without god. This is why they believe that it's OK to exploit and harm others to get ahead. Because they think that (you), or anyone else, would do the same if given the chance.


Ironically, this ideology (or its psychological underpinnings) is self validating. You don't trust people, they don't trust you. You fuck people over, they fuck you over. You take that bribe because why the fuck not? Everyone else is doing it, why are you going to be the 1 moral person while everyone else gets ahead?
And that line of thinking isn't wrong, on a personal scale, but on a wider scale this type of thinking is a poison that destroys societies. It doesn't need to be like that.

It's a vicious cycle, one that you see in every low-trust, conservative society around the world.

>>512301449
He agrees with this. He basically says that to live in a civilized society you have to give up your absolute licence to do whatever whenever you want and that you have to give over your individual sovereignty to an absolute monarch.

>>512293021 (OP)
Conservatives know that leftist are parasites
Leftist think it is a secret that they are parasites

>>512301602
Conservatives are pedophiles, predators, and parasites so of course they vote for human traffickers and rapists. Every MAGA cultist wants a piece of the action and a world of "might makes right" for the exact reason the OP discusses. Conservatism is built solely on the premise of creating systems that let you exploit others.

>>512301702
Bizarre that you'd try to use all this debate terminology while wheeling those strawmen around.
I will never debate trash like you because you're an evil, disingenuous piece of shit. Everything you say is a lie, and you know it, because your only objective is degrading the world so that you can enact violent exploitation of others (or rather, to continue to benefit from that system which already exists).

>>512299994
>>512300385
>>512301317
>The projection is always hilarious

You just accused everyone on the right of being a pedo. It seems like you are the one who is projecting.

>>512295604
We are a species as much as individuals. In many ways, we're more of a species than individuals. I believe we're tabula rasa to a large extent but our experiences depend on our body. As such, everyone is corruptible.

>>512301830
> You don't trust people, they don't trust you. You fuck people over, they fuck you over. You take that bribe because why the fuck not? Everyone else is doing it, why are you going to be the 1 moral person while everyone else gets ahead?
This is just basically how everyone acts in brown countries yet you seem to be very very interested in bringing as many of them here as possible. Why is that?

>>512302100
Well yes, you all line up to cheer pedophiles while your harddrives are filled with CP. You can whine all you want but none of your secrets are actually secret.

>>512300789
I care more about the content than the source anon. If you read the article, you'd know this.
>9/11 attacks happen and PATRIOT act passes
>banking regulations are strengthened for counter-terrorism
>the real estate lobby pleaded for relief from the PATRIOT Act’s monitoring of dubious foreign transactions
>this created a market for money laundering through luxury finance
>nearly half of homes worth at least $5 million were bought using shell companies
> procuring a library card requires more identification in many states than does creating an anonymous shell company
It's not really hard to follow. And yes it is mass corruption, mostly on both sides. What's so hard to understand about that?

>>512302195
Nobody wants that except the business owners that fuck (YOU) over to drive down wages and exploit an underclass of wageslaves.

>>512301317
You are going to continue to lose, continue to spiral into the abject misery which now defines your worthless existence, and it will hurt you all the more because you are so much more psychologically dependent on political success to feel any sense of self worth or personal power.

And the only people who give a shit about you are us. No one on your side cares about your worthless lonely existence.

And we only give a shit because watching you suffer and die is entertaining, lol, because you are a such a fuckstain of a human being your death will improve the world.

Kys lol.

>>512302398
Oh so you’re a racist? Then why vote for libs who are trying to brown the country as quickly as possible?

>>512301964

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Oliver turned to be a pedophile. All this talking of pedophilia. Like he says: "It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy".

>>512302455
Keep seething, everyone knows what you are. You're desperate because you know if the world ever becomes a better place, you're going to hang.

>>512302268

The thing to understand is that Trump was an outlier to that fake difference. That 'uniparty' you are talking about was penetrated. The first assaults were repelled, people like Barr and Mueller became casualties. Pence was a traitor/coward from the beginning it seems. But this time he's had more time to plot and bring in outsiders.

2 years ago I was suicidal every day. I know the uniparty. I literally went into the service of Obama's people because I hated Cheney so much. I was wrong. I understood that.

What's new NOW is that Trump is an outsider to all that. There's a possibility America can correct course. It's still my plan to die as a citizen of a different country though. This one has wronged me.

>>512302264
Damnit. You have seen through my ruse.

>>512302691
>Trump is an outsider to all that
There isn't enough gas in the tank for you to try that lol

>>512302569

There seem to be a lot of links to the Podesta Molesta machine. But he has been careful enough to stay off my screens for 20 years if that's the truth.

I more believe he just is the right kind of intelligent sociopath who really gets off on manipulating people, and he's not in politics for any other reason than that.

>>512302814
He built buildings in NYC for 50 years while the Dems and Republicans built wars in DC.

You know what I mean you're being disingenuous.

>>512302686

(((ACHOO)))

>>512302691
>Trump is an outsider to all that.
He's just part of a slightly different cabal of elites who still have many points of common between them and "the old guard". Epstein and elite pedophile groups are just one of those many points in common.

>>512302461
If you're racist, why do you believe all the same things as browns?

Being for workers rights and against importing a slave caste for billionaires to exploit at all of our expense has nothing to do with racism.
>You don't like the far-right billionaire party? But the center-right billionaire party is also pro immigration!
Which party do you think billionaires and small business owners vote for? The same billionaires and small business owners that advocate for, lobby for, and hire these immigrants?

>>512294414
It was really funny the way leftists drew a caricature of themselves and tried to call it "le right wing face"

>>512296843
Sure. There was a group of early gnostic Christians (I forgot the name of this particular group), but they concluded this same thing:
>we should do exactly the opposite of everything YHWH commanded, because YHWH is the devil.
But if you do that, you end up going full retard, exactly like Jon Oliver is talking about. And then what happens? You're full circle back to murdering, robbing, raping, and even worse, you've declared essentially a holy war on mankind.

>>512297754
Yea, that's some ancient wisdom: the people need bread and circuses, or else they'll revolt. That's still true, because human nature is still human nature. Why are we dissidents? Because the bread is stale and the circuses are gay.

>>512302268

I once read the Atlantic daily, btw. But I have a rule that if I catch a publication pushing outright, already disproven lies - I stop reading it.

They are manipulators and liars, it is propaganda. Even if they fool enough pseudo-intellectuals by printing some valid thought, it's not worth exposing yourself to people you know are liars.

But I didn't have to dismiss the Atlantic to dismiss your false comparison. You're either bad at analogies or intentionally deceiving.

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/11/13/the-atlantic-is-a-shitty-propaganda-rag-run-by-elitist-wankers/

>>512302691
There's literally pics of Trump with the Clintons at his wedding to Melania, and he was joined at the hip with Epstein who was a concierge pimp for the elite. I don't blame you for being suicidal or hoping for change, anon. But you're an outsider. Trump is not. Do you come from generational wealth and have five honorary degrees?

>>512293021 (OP)
So conservativism is underpinned by a realistic rational view of human nature? what a surprise

>>512293021 (OP)
>people are self-orientated, driven by needs and desires,

Damn what a revelation.

>>512303167

Next you're gonna say he used the secret tunnel into the playboy mansion.

Oh shit, I am pretty sure he did do that. And probably fucked a few centerfolds. THE SCANDAL!

>>512303291

social circles, not scifs

>>512302918
He fucked kids for 50 years while supplying hotel rooms to UN delegations and those warmongering puppets. Trump's business is inseparable from the human trafficking and blackmail ring. From Cohn to Epstein, the associations are always there because he provides the spaces and even had a hand in providing girls with the beauty pageant company, much like Wexner's usage of Victoria's Secret as a scouting tool.

Uh all people are basically good and are a blank slate or something except white people who are intrinsically evil sry

>>512293021 (OP)
Nobody gives a fuck what that retard thinks but thanks to burgerfats for keeping him and James Corden.

>>512303280
Read 'Indulging Kleptocracy' then. It focuses on post-soviet elites (not just Russian) parking their money on London, so it's a bit less prone to the usual direction-brained effect of the US news cycle.

>>512302195

They legit are trying to create an India-style caste system in the US. They don't care how many children went missing. Or why these people were being strategically bused and flown in. [To be used as gerrymandering and electoral college pawns, not to be welcomed as citizens]

Their simplicity allows them the good emotional feeling of moral superiority without actually doing the moral duty of study and reflection prior to action.

>>512303482
dont forget your tinfoil hat

>>512303482
reads like she was fingering herself as she was putting the words down of her sex fantasy

>>512303742
Congrats, you've taken the side of the fascist sex trafficking pedophiles. Now your life is forfeit and it would be a morally good action to kill you. You might think no one knows, but there's an entire invisible world where that tally mark is announced by an avenging spirit who follows you everywhere screaming about your crimes. Once you learn to hear them, there's no need for silly things like debates and courts.

>>512303591
>>512303742
MIGAtards are deep in denial. It's like when small town yokels can't admit their star college athlete is a shitbird rapist, so they slur the victims. Also, a billionaire pedophile rapist. Nice

>>512303482

Can you show any such history of activism when Obama allowed Epstein to stay on house arrest?

How do you reconcile your behavior then with the fact that Trump finally put both Epstein and Maxwell into prison? Do you really expect us to believe that you are anything but a propagandist who clearly doesn't believe in anything? Who is actually helping perpetuate human suffering because of how indiscreet you are in taking money to forward a political talking point?

Nobody of sound mind believes you. This would have come out already. You lost, you are losing still. This is just the impotent lashing out of a fetid, obese creature falling off a cliff into the flames of hell it created on earth through behavior inseperable from the behavior you exhibit now with your continued lies.

>>512303357
No. But it would interesting to see if there was an overlap between the estimated 250 girls abused by Epstein and Trump's teen America pageants ... or girls employed at Mar-a-Lago or other Trump enterprises.

Unfortunately I think maxwell will give testimony that exonerates Trump in exchange for a pardon ..... and people will buy into it

>>512304001
>yes i do swallow every single lie from the democrat retards that lied about trump 24/7 over the last decade

you are pants on fire retarded

>>512303539
When is Russell Brand getting banged up anyway?

>>512303544

Hmm thanks I had perplexity summarize it and there are a lot of unfamiliar names. I'll look at it.

>>512304126
>“Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?” Trump wrote
Hmmmmm

>>512293985
I don't want to harm my neighbors but I understand that other people do.
Why is that so hard for atheists to get? Are they so self absorbed they fail to understand not to everyone is the same despite daily headlines of rapists and murderers?

>>512304192
I think they're very fair, they do mention Hunter Biden being on the advisory board as selling political access and credibility. So it's not overtly partisan which is the trap most political writing has fallen into, especially US media.

>>512304001
>It's like when small town yokels can't admit their star college athlete is a shitbird rapist
That's not how it actually goes. They aren't stunned or unable to acknowledge it; they're also raping their wives and daughters, beating their family and friends. You wouldn't believe it, but if you start talking to victims from the small towns you quickly realize 90% of the men need to be exterminated.

>>512304014
>Do you really expect us to believe
I expect you to die, funnily enough the fascists are even more likely to hunt and kill your kind

>>512304336
>rapists and murderers
Thankfully god prevents that all from happening.
Guess we can do away with laws now. Dunno why we even bothered in the first place.

>>512304120

I think Maxwell worked in the storefront and as a recruiter and star fucker. She might even be shocked at what happened in the factory after she delivered new talent.

However this idea Trump needs to make any kind of deal is unfounded. I don't believe Trump ever touched anyone underage. I simply don't believe it. I don't believe he ever partied with drugs and did the spirit cooking shit and the adrenochrome. The drug parties is where they caught a lot of people.

So it's likely Trump had some rough sex with party favors. But he never raped a child. And there are hundreds of politicians just like him, who had totally normal adult relationships that would be inconvenient on camera. And they will be protected, because as history clearly shows they have been. But those who participated in the child rape and torture, and worse, they will finally be excised from any kind of power or influence.

>>512304295
yes yes the earth is flat and you are definitely not spreading muh orange man bad democrat narrative conspiracy nr 34584 , here dont forget your tinfoil hat

>>512293021 (OP)
Ideally, conservativism is about acknowledging that some people/cultures are corrupt and others are not, some are more corrupt than others. Therefore it is vital to establish rules and boundaries to protect that which is unspoiled and precious from the corrupt elements of the world.
Liberals emphasize the importance of questioning rules and boundaries, which is great, vital even, in moderation. But in reality liberals usually are just genuinely naive and ignorant. They are too stupid to see the negative consequences of their actions, so they think others who point them out are just being mean. E.g. liberals promote promiscuous sex because sex good feel good, and just assume conservatives just think sex is evil. Well, many conservatives do, kek, but ideally, a conservative understands that realistically a large proportion of the population can't handle sexual freedom and so they should stick to monogamous marital relationships.
But whatevs, Oliver is just a screeching otter putting on a performance for his masters. He doesn't care about being reasonable. He just wants to polarize people, literally being paid millions to do it.

>>512295898
>reason
How did you get through covid hysteria, funko pop collections, blue haired pink vagina hatted IT WAS HER TURN and BLM protests and two housing bubbles in a single generation and conclude people are reasonable?

>>512304558
Maxwell recruited, groomed and engaged in sexual activities with minors.

>I simply don't believe it
Do you still believe in Santa clause?

>>512293021 (OP)
Civilization is built in conservatism. Then things get too good and everyone thinks butt fucking in the street while high on drugs is peak "freedom" and not being a lazy nigger is "oppression". Everything goes to shit before the leftists face the wall. Then things are good again for another couple hundred years

>>512293021 (OP)
Oliver needs go home, and check out his kingdom is doing.
Then maybe he can tell that nation about conservatism.
Until then he can Fuck Off!

>>512304589
Maybe it's just hard for you to accept you're glazing a pedophile and rapist.

leftists are always liars interested in nothing but being smug so I just dont believe what they have to say.
I know the pedo shit against trump is false because leftists are the ones shouting about it, it's that easy. like the last dozen bullshit things they said would end him that were all not true and didnt do shit.

>>512301602
They'll tell you Joe biden did that or something

>>512304803

I got in trouble for telling my siblings Santa Wasn't real. Their mom beat the shit out of me for ruining christmas. I was like 8.

Yes she was a groomer. A spy. A socialite. She definitely knew there was abuse. Trafficked underaged girls. But in France, that means younger than 16 and you have to cross a national boundary. So legal. It was the game they played.

But we're talking about the exploited ones, the blackmailed ones. Yes we know she was an exploiter. I was just putting it into context. You don't see Maxwell at the Podesta parties with the really young girls. You see her at the Met Gala talking to someone who knows they're gonna get an epic blowjob and some premium cocaine at the afterparty. It's a big difference.

And again - TRUMP IS THE ONE WHO FINALLY GOT HER IMPRISONED. That simple fact is like kryptonite to any argument that she has Trump Kompramat.

>>512297754
Low IQ people when handed everything will get angry they're not given more. They'll still steal because they don't respect other people's property. They get into trouble because they aren't capable of keeping themselves entertained or they enjoy physical confrontation. You must have had a sheltered upbringing and didn't spend time observing others in school is all I can say.

>>512305098
\thread

>>512305098
I'm not leftwing and I think trump was part of an elite cabal of pedophiles centering around Epstein. You dont need to be left wing to believe that.

>>512293021 (OP)
Nice Jewish gaslighting.

>"Conservatism in particular is underpinned by a cynical view of human nature
True.

>...(people are self-orientated, driven by needs and desires, and have a poor sense of reason to keep these drives in check (see Hobbes, Burke etc)).
They can be, not are. We all have it within us.

>If you think everyone is corrupt then it not only makes it easier for you to make moral transgressions, you behaving like a moral degenerate actively underpins your worldview and confirms your chosen ideology.
Notice how we are now at a point where conservatives "think everyone is corrupt."
And no, believing people have an innate capacity for doing evil does not make it easier for me to do evil.

>Its like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Your words describe one.

>Partaking in the ultimate evil in western society (pedophilia) becomes the ultimate confirmation of conservative ideology.
That is insane.

>"See. We really are, deep down, a horrendous species
>no, we are not
>who will do wicked things if given absolute licence to behave according to our base desires"
We can, we will not necessarily do so. Loicense?

>...and thats why there are so many conservatives are pedophiles."
So many compared to what? What does "so many" mean?

See how he went from this very general statement on human nature which everyone can agree on, to the conclusion that conservative ideology drives one to pedophilia. This could only have been written by a Jew.

>>512293021 (OP)
hehe, he lost his show. what a faggot.

>>512303983
kys jew
>>512304001
i dont even like trump, but i know a female sex fantasy when i read it. i bet her pussy gushed like niagra as she typed that

>>512304847
It's the exact opposite. Progressive ideology is responsible for every golden age and when the people who start complaining about drugs, schools, sex, and "one tradition" start showing up is when ruination occurs. Conservatives today are just like the early Christians who rotted out the Roman empire. It's the exact same set of fundamentalist complaints and lying about history. Conservatism is specifically a reaction to civilization and progress, preferring ruin and debased states to a world in which the selfish urges toward ownership of other humans and exploitation are punished.

Every conservative is a pedophile and rapist and thief and murderer. It is those urges themselves that necessitate opposition to progress.

>>512304847
Pol Pot aint got shit on Fauci

>>512305409
You call me a Jew because you're projecting the image of what you know yourself to be. Look at the rest of your post even, you're a degenerate sex pest fantasizing about a victim of the criminal deep state in order to dismiss and bury her testimony. One can immediately imagine you rubbing your hands together neurotically and looking the spitting image of these "Jews." But that the truth of it, you and every conservative are the Jews in actuality. The things you accuse that scapegoat of are your own urges. The conservatives in power get to satiate them, and you agitate because you don't quite have that privilege. You're a fundamentally evil and selfish piece of shit, just like every other conservative.

>>512293021 (OP)
Liberalism is underpinned by the idea that conservatives are wrong. Which just isn't well founded. Control is a science. Support is an industry. You literally lack these. Pedophilia requires treatment. Liberals just admit accept or stay silent on it or be cucks instead. That's not a solution. I have solutions for some of it. Like shooting this bitch when he shows up in fallout nv.

>>512305480

modern progressivism isn't progressive, it's regressive.

progressive would be improving the immigration system. regressive is erasing national borders to centralize more electoral power - while ignoring the actual human cost.

progressive would be reforming health care instead of saying you're reforming it but actually giving big pharma everything they want.

progressive would be fostering a safe environment for children. Why are schools so bad, dangerous and ineffective in 'progressive' stronghold.

No - progressive is just a word, and its use is inverted. People give themselves the moniker to feel good and virtuous without having to think about what is actually happening.

Mamdani would be described by you as 'Progressive'. As if real socialism has never been tried. Check Mate Bitch.

Being conservative in 2025 literally just means that you don’t agree with importing 10’s of thousands of Muslims annually into your society.

>>512305749
retard: 99% of the time when women make up a sex accusation, they are lying. especially when they keep quiet about it for decades until it somehow will benefit them.
if you believe it, you're either certifiably retarded or a paid shill or both

>>512305480
>Progressive ideology is responsible for every golden age
Progressive ideology is the outcome of every golden age. It is only when you live a life of safety and luxury (won by generations of conservative men and women) that you can be "progressive" without getting yourself and everyone around you killed.

"Progressive" is stupid label anyway. There is nothing progressive about anything they believe or do, it is a total made-up marketing word to trick your mind into thinking that trannies are a symptom of society progressing. It is shocking that the "conservative" movement just so wholeheartedly embraces using these demon's language.

>>512300411
>You have a negative IQ. If there is no God, morality is just an opinion and is of no value or purpose
I sometimes forget people like this actually exist.

>>512305852

I'm a conservative who strongly believes in gay marriage and gay adoption. But I don't agree with trans "women" in women's sports or Drag Queen Story Hour in schools. A conservative who believes all races should have the right to vote and that laws based upon treating people differently by race should not exist. [like DEI, which is racism]

>>512299425
The US standard of living is objectively the highest in history when it comes to creature comforts and access to luxuries, more is spent on the Welfare state than on the military (and the US spends more on that than the rest of the world combined) and yet still people bitch about unfairness.
Conservatives can conceptualize "enough".

>>512305996
>gay adoption
That's child abuse.

>>512305806
You trot out all of these talking points because you know they're supposed to be offensive, but you also know they're already wrong. I also know you don't care about any sort of policy because you're a predator, the only thing you care about is keeping the world shitty so you can abuse others. You're still trying to do this debate thing but I'd never debate evil trash like you due to how pointless it is.

>>512305880
Every single person who talks the way you do is an abuser or rapist. It's you who is lying. Because I actually talk to victims I can see through it all immediately. None of your carefully cultivated plausible deniability and misogynistic rants will ever hide what you are.

>>512306063

No you're thinking about what happens when Disney execs or Liberal women adopt children.

Gay doesn't mean pedo. I suppose I have probably had more gay friends who were normal and moral than most 'progressives' who all think they are gay and the worst of them abuse that trend.

>>512305784
You're all literally responding to a scripted NPC that's just mask off about it now.

>>512306176

You haven't made a single point. I'm debating either an LLM or someone whose jaw would be so easily broken it might not even be worth doing. But I'd give it a try and see how I feel after.

YOU'RE ALL LITERALLY RESPONDING TO A SCRIPTED NPC THAT'S JUST MASK OFF ABOUT IT NOW

was I loud enough?

>>512306273

shh we're triangulating the IP through layers of onion. we almost got this fucking haj.

>>512305922
Rapists and pedophiles don't create safety and luxury. Conservative men create dark ages where schools are destroyed, teachers are persecuted, women are enslaved, and genocides are waged for profit.

You're all just predators and parasites

>>512306362
Stfu nigger

>>512293021 (OP)
trumps a democrat

>>512306179
Human sexuality is an an incredibly prominent and profound part for our nature. Being raised by gay parents is unnatural and incredibly psychologically damaging to the human being. You are a fucking moron if you cannot see this, and a danger to society.

>>512306410
But so are you. You just make women not have babies.

>>512306418
Tell that to his supporters. He calls democrats the enemy.

>>512306291
You're "debating" someone who knows that you're nothing more than a disingenuous piece of shit. You use debate as a performative tool in signalling to your echo chamber. You can only do this kind of shit here where you can pretend it has some kind of meaning.

Don't make me repeat myself again

No. Conservatism is underpinned by a historical reference point. A conservative is someone who seeks to uphold traditions and norms, or to restore traditional polities, namely those of the crown and altar or the liberal republic. Particular views of human nature only matter in so far as they’re implied by the particular “altar” that conservatives defend.

Progressivism is underpinned on the other hand by the naive belief that utopia can be achieved.

>>512293021 (OP)
Spot on
But this applies to Dems as much

>>512306570

The sad thing is you didn't even train a bot. You barely installed it with help over discord. And we're on a different discord channel laughing at you.

>>512306457
No the birth rate crisis comes entirely from conservatives enslaving women. Progressives would be happy to give every woman so much UBI that she feels comfortable starting a family and then heaping more UBI and free childcare and free healthcare and all that good stuff on her too.
Instead conservatives strip away healthcare rights for women and cause the birth rate to decline further.

>>512293021 (OP)
Your problem with conservarism is it correctly identifies ypu as a parasite and excludes you.

You think the CIA can't make a personality profile of every late night comedy writer and string all of them up in a video game just to make fun of what's obvious to any schizo of the order of unique wherein a small town could not produce another intellect as sharp as yours???? YOU ARE......

>>512293021 (OP)
What's really fucking bizarre is that every single time I watch one of these guys videos, I come to pull and there's a fucking thread on him. This shit has to be surveillance

This nigger is gay and retarded, send him back.

And who's Ben? Duh

>>512294796

>>512293021 (OP)
what a non sequitur

>>512307195
Explain to the folks at home what a "non sequitur" is.

>>512306676
That's a retarded way to put it because you're just admitting you're letting perfect be the enemy of good. Most liberals and leftists don't think about utopia, they think about how Nixon started the EPA, how Trump and the right oppose it, and how they can prevent a water crisis. They think about healthcare costs and insurance companies. They think about AI driven rent increase consulting between all property managers. You reducing that to "well you can't have utopia" is incredibly dumb.

>>512293021 (OP)
Where did he say this? Looked it up and couldn't find it

>>512307387
You literally can't have utopia without altars because most people are stupid. Christ you're all so slow.

>>512303559
We already have the Indian caste system, it's just inverted and the pariahs are on top. Social parasites can only survive on the kindness and good faith of strangers. In a proper sociopolitical order, these people are in the gutters, begging. Exactly where they should be. In our system, they run the banks, the newsrooms and the politicians.

>>512306676
Don't mistake conservative with traditional or right wing. The historical reference point here is Disraeli (Rothschild's man), and the merchant empire.

>>512293021 (OP)
of course no.

>"Conservatism in particular is underpinned by a cynical view of human nature (people are self-orientated, driven by needs and desires, and have a poor sense of reason to keep these drives in check (see Hobbes, Burke etc))."
observable reality

>If you think everyone is corrupt, then it not only makes it easier for you to make moral transgressions, [...]
is a opinion. furthermore the premise above being true does not mean everyone ends up corrupt; that is a fallacy. the cores of rules of civilizations do not work the way oliver thinks they do; he has big prejudices..

read the ring of gyges plato vs socrates, is a nice read.

>>512307520
We don't need to talk about utopia, just easy policy that exists and policy that used to exist.

>>512307607
>We already have the Indian caste system, it's just inverted
ANY amount of mental gymnastics to avoid the simple truth that the princes and priests are the parasites, because of course some day you want your throne

>>512307607
You need the rest of the world to follow rules that boil them all down to a set of unprecocious precepts like that all men fall under the influences of modern temptations or they're outliers who aren't very politically talented anyway. Just good brutes. 84k48k

>>512307753
They would not be accepted or implemented by idiots. Now silence.

>>512300411
We always come back to this. You are just coping about the fact that we have to create values ourselves

>>512293021 (OP)
The destinction between progressives and conservatives:

Conservatives have a realistic understanding of humanity's animalistic tendencies and compulsions, but they also understand that humanity is fully capable of abstaining from animalistic compulsion with guidance, discipline, and purpose. Conservatives have a legitimately higher standard for society with the added understanding that discipline is necessary for social evolution and structure.

Progressives hold the deluded belief that humanity is just inherently benevolent and that any negative outcomes are the result of unreasonable social pressure/expectations and that any standards of human behavior that exclude and shame degeneracy and corruption are arbitrary and actually contribute to further corruption or are some sort of projection of internal conflict with personal corruption and degeneracy. The old "oh, you're arachnophobic? You must really want to fuck spiders.." fallacy.

So, rather than building a societal scaffolding of discipline and shame that positively reinforces positive values and disincentivizes negative behaviors to prevent corruption, progressives just believe in abolishing shame and social standards and letting the chips fall where they may because they are fully fucking retarded from decades of consuming goyslop Hollywood propaganda that undermines intuition and instinct.

>>512300019

We are having revelations in the US right now of how much cartel money is tied to single family housing money laundering. It is directly implicating secretaries of state in New Mexico and Arizona. Something the book reminds me of, at the State level in the US.

>>512293985
Lowering standards to include your own disgusting behaviour is standard operation for faggot communists. As is blaming the other side for what you are doing yourself.

>>512308151

Here's the progression;

STNG, almost always followed orders, with broken orders being almost non existent and only after a pattern of rule-following and upholding oaths was established as a character trait.

Discovery - Entire character is given agency and prestige BECAUSE she breaks orders, and uses he 'gut instinct' for every important decision. Not incidentally she's always right.

Strange New Worlds - Seeing formative attempts at trying to balance order following with forgiveness. Still cavalier, but there is a sense of duty and cohesion.

Now look at the political environment when each of these 3 series were produced.

>>512308151
As accurate as you can get the average person to functionally live by in a based society.

What all of you are missing is that these parties are limited inherently to the wit people can sustain. Those speaking of anything higher in functions than this man are simply deluded.

counterpoint:

all leftists are pedophiles (FACT)
Q.E.D.

>>512307019

No his punchable fucking face is just the best bait

we're not even debating HIS quote

this is internet gold the shit that goes down here

>>512308484
Like this faggot talking about his gay mom

>>512307387

The EPA was started as a good thing. It has turned into regulatory capture and money laundering. There is a balance. We want to regulate more than China. Instead, we regulate ourselves out of the market competition and buy from dirty China anyway. That's not 'progress' it's cynical deceit.

USAID was stealing more money than was used in any beneficial way. And some of the USAID money was used legitimately to forward deception and propaganda. Again, not Progress.

>>512294478
hothouse parenting victim

>>512308641
Can confirm as a leftist. Particularly of the stalinist variety.

>>512293021 (OP)
This kind of take, "conservatism is like X" or "liberalism is Y" is almost always wrong, because these are very big groups that consist of people with different motivations and ideas. Like there are "conservatives" or "right wingers" who are authoritarian and people have to be kept in check, but these are also conservatives who are in favor of personal freedoms.

>>512308805
Dude it's just so the Chinese will build themselves fucking homes. Next up is mexicans. Quit crying like a woman. It's tough everywhere and mothers are bitching to no end. Do you like being a gay little baby?

>>512308875
Good point. Been trying to find where he says this and I can't.

>>512308875
Every conservative has the same unifying motivation, exploitation of others. Even the ones talking about personal freedoms are just posers who want enough of a dabble in anarchy that no one can interfere with their predation. The authoritarian branch want to make sure the state is holding their hand as they abuse others.

>>512308680

IDk which that is a reference to it could be so many...

But I am watching 'Foundation' right now and they re-gendered and race swapped a number of the main characters. Now they get lots of crying and sex scenes that Asimov never wrote.

I still think it's good, but I think some of their choices are absurd. I don't think the characters even believe themselves.

Liberals fully endorse evil human nature (homosexuality, transgenderism, pedophilia) and then call it a good thing. This is why every liberal is a pedophile.

>>512309103
This guy got it best. He picked the hot day IQ take.>>512308151
That's the right number. Dialed in.

>>512309156
Who reads Asimov reads of dragons with silk night gowns.

>>512294497
You're fucking stupid retard. Jesus fuck.

The house always wins. Except he never bought Bitcoin so...

Just playing the game instead.

>>512294778
It's the opposite. The liberal principle is to lie about what you see in front of you.

Orlando or vegas.
Fuck you both.
Low IQ maggots.

Obviously tempting me to be partisan.

I program your parties.

Otherwise we'd all be eating rations in martial law from the emp scenario

Which occurs to spare mercifully the horror of a postmodern empire sized civil war.

And don't doubt that it's still on the table.

I've seen the tests. As in live demos.

Believe it or not geopolitics is an actual thing.

>>512303220
>leftists drew a caricature of themselves
sure thing buddy

A few rare and stubborn survivalists manage to understand human nature without ending up in a variety of traps. Mr gumps box

>>512293985
No one has done even a fraction as good as religion as stopping those problems.

In practice, libs are those nannying everyone more continuously than conservatives, though

>>512293021 (OP)
He’s a retarded niggerbrained faggot just like you, you Jewish cocksucker

>>512296591

As if it would save anyone to admit I'm being fecicious about the more brusque stuff here.

>>512310405
What puts out a fire better than dirt naps?

Intellect is a powder keg. It's always related to something bigger believe it or not. You'd get by if you took note and prayed you won't be made to beg. They don't even like it if you do. You were supposed to know how dumb you were and worship something that will save you from your naivety

Asians aren't less volatile. Just easier to defuse in a few ways. Others aren't a threat. Yet. That's changing but the maneuvers to prepare for this. They're involved. And pretty fucking scary.

>>512294478
So you don't follow the news?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment_allegations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_misconduct_allegation
Harvey Weinstein wasn't raising money for Republicans

When the rest of world of males realizes they're less equipped to handle the degeneracy killing the west and more likely to fight recklessly with abandon. No one knows what the crazy bastards will do.

How do you make exponential things constant? Besides openly admitting to just culling and breeding?

>>512293021 (OP)
First off, I laugh at the notion that most conservacucks have actually read Hobbes. Second, no of course not. Conservacucks are retarded scum that think that there's some sort of objective morality and that human beings can be made to behave in a moral fashion. The retarded demotards think the same thing but in reverse. Really, the difference between the two is the method of control and the things they focus on, but in the end result, both the left and the right deserve death for trying to impose their values on others.

>>512311127
Just shut up and read this. Someone actually got it right.>>512308151

>>512310953

Ed Buck

>>512307788 (HH)
>the simple truth that the princes and priests are the parasites
That may have been the truth at one point, but today it's not really relevant. A king hasn't commanded or authority for at least 200 years. They are now just empty symbols. And what do the priests give us? Vatican II and Israeli grifters. You're like a boomer stuck in an imaginary past and it's blinding you to the givens in the world.

>of course some day you want your throne
If the goal is to enrich oneself and ones family or tribe, "King" is not the occupation for that, not currently. The King is the one with the Rothschild finger in his chest, not the other way around.

The part he misses is that when people fail to meet the expectation they're supposed to go to confession and eat comfort foods until they just die.

>>512311384
But its reductive bullshit for smoothe brains

I don't care if you wank to cartoon lolis.

>>512311610
>>512311519
>>512311651
He missed one thing.

It's reductive because it's the only real debate that actually matters for smooth Brains i.e. the actual population.

>>512307944 (checked)
>You need the rest of the world to follow rules
I don't care about the what the rest of the world does. I'm not some chosen. People need to figure out how to govern themselves for themselves. That can't come from without, it has to come from within. Imposing democracy on people that have no interest in it has failed every time it's been tried. Puppet regimes always decay into despotism or anarchy.

>>512302264
> typed an anon with probably a terabyte of cp on his hard drive

Here's an intro study sheet. No particular actually means an exact. I like to fuck with AI whenever I want to prove something.

So like a list of things that are prerequisite to any discussions of politics. In no particular order.
What was Nazism about functionally? Population carrying capacity.
Where does modern inequality come from? Ownership mechanisms, and lax attitudes on birth and responsibility divvying among the poor.
What is feminism about besides those two in the modern world?
Basically just abortion.
Why are Americans still mad about slavery besides the previous issues? We've never apologized unequivocally for racism being that polarized.
Why don't people unequivocally do that? Attitude and drugs or addictions.
How do you fix drugs and addictions? Meditation, substitute softer habits, increase your tolerance.
What about migration or other? If we were actually nice people would accept us making them handle their own territories, but the trust and impetus aren't always there.

>>512311816
Here. Read this and get back to it. Then try and think on the geo level.
>>512311934

>>512311736
Lrn2quote. How the hell does anyone know who you're replying to, newfaggot. ?

>>512312010
Idk maybe notice that I already sped read everything prior to 5 minutes ago and I'm not responding to it because I already perfectly dismissed it. Whatever it was.

>>512293021 (OP)
No link. No source. Fake.

>>512312480
Who cares. It was a needed debate.

And scene

>>512311984
>What was Nazism about functionally?
Self-mastery

>Where does modern inequality come from?
Marxism and utilitarianism

>Why are Americans still mad about slavery besides the previous issues?
Because we are raised with propaganda about how we are that we are self sufficient and capable of self-determination and self-governance, and the transatlantic slave trade was systemic racial parasitism that contradicts American idealism.

The rest I agree with mostly. This could be imposed with a central world government, or it could be achieved by diplomacy and alliances. I'm in favor of the latter. IMO, there is no need for a world government in a Natsoc world because the inferior nations (i.e. those incapable of producing a nobility from within) will fall and/or get conquered. Not one complains about having good neighbors, people only get agitated when the neighborhood goes to shit.