Thread 512305344

>ignore the warning of dozens of your close associates, destroy your country, causing one of the greatest humanitarian and political disasters in human history
>suffer no consequences, only endure house arrest for a few days, live and die peacefully, many still celebrate you as a hero
How come no Russian ever shot this faggot?

>>512305344 (OP)
>How come no Russian ever shot this faggot?
I recall when he died (which was only like a year or two ago, iirc) there were some Russian anons on here celebrating his death. Putin and the Russian government also didn't really give him any special mention or anything. So it seems he isn't very well regarded by Russians, like you said. Maybe some far left Russians like him or something but they're probably a minority. Heck, even they probably don't even like him.

>>512305956
I don’t he was actively malicious or anything but he was absolutely the worst statesman in the past century.
He alone collapsed USSR with a long series of retarded decisions.
At the very least he should’ve been put on trial for this.

The only good commie to have ever lived.

our Gorbaciov just died today

>>512306744
>At the very least he should’ve been put on trial for this.
He probably would have if the USSR continued, but it didn't. How could he be held responsible for treason against an entity that no longer existed? Even if they recognize that he sucked, I think the Russians were also thankful in a sense because his retardation brought about the end of communism. People were getting sick of bread lines and having no freedom and all that stuff.

It took another 30 years or so for Russia to recover to the point where they would start thinking about recovering their lost territories, which they're now doing. But this wasn't on their radar in the 90s. Or maybe even 2000s for that matter. By the time it was, the anger people might have felt for him had cooled down since so much time had passed.

>>512305956
No one likes him here. He is the worst retard faggot imaginable. What he did has nothing to do with communism, USSR could do some reforms and adopt capitalism or Chinese model but he chose to do nothing from the economy standpoint and actively pushed the state to collapse. The result is millions dead, poverty for the absolute majority of the population, multiple civil wars, gang wars, total devastation, demoralisation and one retarded pizza hut commercial. We have not recovered yet.

>>512307868
>The result is millions dead, poverty for the absolute majority of the population, multiple civil wars, gang wars, total devastation, demoralisation and one retarded pizza hut commercial. We have not recovered yet.
Sounds like Russia's entire history, it's present and it's future.
Minus the pizza hut.

>>512305344 (OP)
OP: Blah blah blah...TL;DR
But I liked Gorby. He was the last good Ruzzian on earth. He should have assassinated Putin and Medvedev. Now RU an eternal shithole.

>>512308047
Mr. Yakub sends his regards.

Funny, I came across this youtube channel called ITN (some british news channel?) that has raw video footage of the Black October coup attempt in Moscow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzdiJGSs3HU

There's also some video footage of Soviet troops stationed in Potsdam circa early 1990s that were getting British food aide because they had no food. Humiliation level stuff.

Anyway, Stalin was right about his successors. All puppies.

>>512308047
>Sounds like Russia's entire history, it's present and it's future.
Bold statement coming from Epstein fucking island for pakis.

>>512305344 (OP)
of course a bunch of subhumans don't like him
He preached about glasnost(openness) and ending the retarded lying political regime that bootlickers like so much

>>512308423
I hope that's the last thing you remember when the ukie drone I financed blows you apart you filthy gopnik parasite of man.

>>512305344 (OP)
>Change coats
>We democracisky now gommrades !
>Infiltrate and destroy relaxed capitalist states
Try harder next time NKVD

>>512308478
Of course they hate the ONE leader that didn't warmonger or kill millions of his own people.

>>512307868
You don't like him because he was a nice guy and didn't assassinate his enemies lol

>>512308577
damn bro is triggered

>>512305344 (OP)
>destroy your country,
he simply conceded that the inevitable bankruptcy of the Pidor Union must lead to the dissolution of the empire
you can't blame a man for facing reality

The only reason to dissolve an empire is for reorganization or if it has been subverted against its own people from the inside by an invasive foreign interest.
Then it is a duty to dissolve the empire, because it is no longer your empire.

>>512308423
>Epstein island for pakis
you cooked him

>>512305344 (OP)
Anyone who blames him is a fucking idiot. Read a history book and you will see that it all started with Brezhnev. By the time this guy got into power it was already to late for fuck sake . China got lucky with Deng otherwise they would have followed the soviet union into the grave

>>512308675
yep hes the one who withdrew from that retarded afgan war
from clips I saw of him I think he was a true believer in communism but over time realized it was retarded and had to end
Imagine coming to the conlusion that something you devoted your entire life was a fucking lie

>>512308577
Pathetic, you troon.

>>512305344 (OP)
Russians wanted to break free after the (((communist))) yoke.
I remind you that Russia was about to collapse internally because all the Soviet states that needed to be subsidized, much like the EU.
Gorby was a Russian and did what was in Russia's interest, considering the situation of the USSR.
If Stalin wouldn't have kicked out the Jews to Israel the collapse would've been much sooner.
I'd rather shoot Yeltsin or better yet, let him die of old age pondering the evils he's done, like Ion Iliescu in Romania.
Also, I think Putin was in the FSB group that arrested Gorby(?). Too lazy too look it up, your flag certainly understands.

>>512308423
Kek

>>512308932
>Yeltsin
It's already dead you dumb gypsy. Drinking like a maniac got him

the proof that communism is a retarded, dogshit ideology is that even in a dictatorship one party state, you can still get retards like gorbachev and brezhnev
the ideology is so fucking garbage that people would rather demolish the country than live another day inside of it

>>512308675
>>512308714

Being a "good guy" as an executive means you're a naive fool being outplayed strategically.

Imagine being entrusted with a country with 1/6th of the earth's land mass and 10% of the world's population and not having the imagination to make it work.

Instead he paid for Pepsi with warships. Imagine how retarded you have to be to trade instruments of war for sugar water.

>>512308887
>China got lucky with Deng
China ditched communsim and went "state capitalism" which is just a clean name for national socialism

>>512309105
Brezhnev wasn't that retarded in the beginning. Nikita Khrushchev was already demented when he got into power and Brezhnev did the right thing taking him out but somehow at one point he decided : I will go full retard

>>512309043
I cared so much about his fate that I didn't even know this bit of information.
S Yeltsin, I guess...

>>512308577
the only thing you're financing with your taxes is your total ethnic replacement. goodbye, anglo! goodbye! goodbye!

>>512305344 (OP)
>>512306744
>communism is good

There is no economic reason to dissolve an empire, there is no philosophical reason to dissolve an empire, there is no moral reason to dissolve an empire.
The only reason to dissolve an empire is if it has been subverted against itself from within. In that case only it should be dissolved, and the subverters should burn with it.

>>512309186
Yeah but they still use the communism facade. To be fair the only countries that go near the communism idealism are lawless African shit holes because there is no government there KEK

>>512309268
I mean, learning about russian history kind of makes you understand why every russian author was talking about death all the time

>>512309331
an empire that cannot pays its lackeys simply folds
an empire doesn' t stand on high ideals
nobody loves an empire
an empire stands on money
when the money is gone, so is the empire
see Rome
see USSR
see USA (soon)

>>512306941
Stalin was pretty cool, considering he (as a Georgian) got to rule the people that killed his ancestors.

>>512308577
Nafonigger you lost, wakey wakey

>>512306744
you think it was retardation, i personally am interested in the rumors that he was aligned with the new age/weird science factions of KGB who were working with san francisco/esalen CIA people (basically the psychic remote viewing/LSD faction)

if you look up Gorbachev foundation/Green Cross, and Gorbachev's back channel diplomacy efforts, it seems to suggest that the hippies were more influential during his administration, and led (either directly or indirectly) to yeltsin and the end of the USSR (which itself may or may not have been a strategem, ie the KGB playing the very long game, which we are currently seeing the final phases of)

>>512306744
>he was absolutely the worst statesman in the past century.
for 500 bucks who is pol pot lol

>>512309423
everyone loves their own empire. you wouldn't understand this because you're a polack, you've never had an empire, or ever been a willing confederate in a larger empire.

>>512307812
i don't think gorby's actions should be viewed as treason or even retardation, but simply as a catalyst for change in a system which had ossified and was weakening from within

viewed from a certain angle, trump is playing a similar role for the US and the post-cold war global system currently. sometimes it takes a little retardation to shake things up

captcha: 0SSKA
(doesn't mean anything i just think it sounds cool lol)

>>512308577
just take the L, this is embarrassing

>>512305956
If he relaxed the regs on private business only, and kept control of the media and quashed protests he probably could have fixed some things. Our system is also bullshit so who knows. I'm basically homeless and work 2 jobs lol.

>>512305344 (OP)
The Soviet Union wasn't an empire, you ignorant fuck.

>>512305344 (OP)
Russia probably likes stalin or putin more.

>>512309631
He is kind of right. The Slavs were literally spoon feeding the churka niggers. Even worst then today. Western part of the soviet union was a power house while the southern part was the Garbage dump of it. Soviets tried to send russian there to help the locals and create something but unfortunately it couldn't work

>>512309419
You can't die if you don't live.

>>512309423
Poland was one of those. Everything was built by us and the Soviets in your shit hole. Without us you would still be toiling in the mud, like the inbred monkeys you are.

>>512308893
I read his book when I was in jail in the 1990s. He's a decent thinker. After growing up through the cold war shite he was a global breath of fresh air and led to the excellent 1990s all /pol/tards look back on with rose tinted glasses.

>>512309797
Hmmm...

>>512307868
>>512308047
>Pizza Hut

Worth it

>>512309890
We deserve the seething we get from them. That's what we get for civilizing and educating them instead of massacring them.

>>512309740
How wasn't it? It was different countries and nations under a single state, that's the definition of an empire. So is China. USA also might count depending on interpretation.

>>512309438
Let him be. Spetsnaz just captured 2 high ranking British officers and a spy, in a 15 minutes operation, near Odessa. He's butt-hurt.

>>512309914
Really , places like the stan countries today were eating a big chunk of the soviet budget. They tried everything and still nothing worked

russia will end like iraq
russia doesn't deserve to exist
only white russia deserved to exist

Stalin should have set Molotov up to take over and should have killed Khrushchev

>>512308908
>troon
The last insult of a defeated man and nation.
Your country is a fucking global laughing stock. Only slightly accepted due to being on top of some hydrocarbons.
If it wasn't for your oil reserves we would have eradicated you subhumans generations ago.
Tick tock you fucking losers.

>>512309797
if you have entire regions of people that don't love the empire, you have absorbed future traitors. The HRE was an empire, they only absorbed what was them, the Romans were very effective at Romanization, to the point the Germans called their Emperor Kaiser. The Germans unironically loved the Roman Empire, they just did not love Rome.

>>512308115
Ukrainian hands type this post.

>>512309438
>you lost
I haven't lost anything. Still got my legs, still got my brother's..
Not many of your countrymen can claim the same.

>>512305344 (OP)
The Soviet Union was bound to collapse anyways because Stalin was too retarded to pick the right guy to follow his footsteps

>>512310117
>tf
>tp
come on, man

>>512308893
for some reason all the historiography on gorby seems to leave out his new age spiritual beliefs, which to me seem like they are very important and form the foundation for all his decisions

>>512308932
>Also, I think Putin was in the FSB group that arrested Gorby(?)
that checks out. my theory was always that Putin's faction more or less knew the end was coming so they let it crash and burn, used Yeltsin as the drunken buffoon, then selected Putin (under Operation Succession, led by St Petersburg mayor/Putin mentor Anatoly Sobchak) to lead Russia through the next phase of its life cycle

also i didn't realize until 2022 that the hypernormalized chekhist/mafia state/oligarch state model russia used (where mafia, oligarchs, intelligence agencies) was intentional and actually in a weird way patriotic. in order to prevent JP Morgan and the Rothschilds from buying everything up after "shock therapy" the nation's wealth was put in the hands of the oligarchs, and when the final stage of the process started in 2022 with the invasion of Ukraine, Putin called the oligarchs in and said "alright you can either give back the money to the state, and keep a few of your yachts and mansions, or fall out a window"

this form of unified social organization is totally foreign to us westerners who still retain some naive enlightenment notions of human rights, democracy, etc, but once you see Russian society for what it is, you have to admit there is some beauty to it. it's got a trace of oriental, mongolian khanate to it. it's beautiful like a sword or a tank, every part of it serves a purpose, and you can't argue with it.

>>512309687
There's still some zigger come on your beard lad. Lap it up good.

>>512310213
It's not necessarily that they didn't love their empire but more like that they were to backwards to be productive to the soviet society . Like most of them had to be uplifted from nomadic shepherds. Imagine you live all your life in a fucking tent like a peasant from the 8th century and someone shows up one day , gives you a home, TV, heating and all the miracles of that time . You would also go uga bouga. That's what the soviets did and it was to costly

>>512310342
He picked twice good guys, they died before him, third time he picked that idiot malenko and of course Beria and Khrushchev fought for the right to rule

>>512309985
USA is more an empire than China.

>>512310363
I am neither English nor Welsh. Try again Ivan.

>>512306744
>He alone collapsed USSR with a long series of retarded decisions.

If a country can collapse because of one person it isnt too much of a powerhouse do you think?

>>512308887
But that’s absolute rubbish. Gorbachev turned issues stemming from Brezhnev era into CATASTROPHIC issues with his retarded policies.
How is he not to blame? Literally if he did nothing and carried on USSR wouldn’t collapse.
He wrecked the party. He wrecked government. He wrecked the state. He wrecked the economy. He made USSR borderline bankrupt. He handled Chernobyl awfully. He handled Armenia and Azerbaijan awfully. He handled Georgia awfully. He empowered Baltic nationalists. He empowered Yeltsin. I could go on and on. He didn’t make a single smart and successful decision in the 7 years he was in charge.

>>512309797
>The Slavs were literally spoon feeding the churka niggers
While this is generally true but the western Russia was underpopulated and razed after WWII and a civil war and two revolutions. They had the potential manpower for the future economy, they could produce food which was really fucking hard to grow between all these fun things happening. We elevated churkas to sapience kept them away from Moscow and they were generally speaking normal citizens for the most part.

>>512309161
ah the old Jimmy Carter problem.
i see where you're coming from, and disagree philosophically, but in the context of russia who had to contend with NATO, the US, and the perfidious anglo, you might be right.

i still think this thread is missing a key part of it by leaving out Russia's inherent inclination to mysticism (Fatima's third secret, etc) and how that manifested in the 80s with psychic research, HAARP/ULF transmissions, Gorbachev literally thinking he was helping mankind evolve by crashing communism, etc

a lot of the decisions made in the kremlin that ended up crashing communism had their beginnings in the hot springs at Esalen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gorbachev_Foundation

>>512309709

He tried Deng-like reforms but the USSR didn't have an export market worth a fuck. Who the fuck in the West wants to buy a Lada or a Russian made TV in the mid to late 1980s? Nobody.

Oil was and is Russia's game. Fuck invading Afghanistan, bulldoze Saudi Arabia instead under the guise of anti-Zionism.

>>512310117
If you shitpost on 4chins with >tf you’re either a glowie ooorrrrrrrr

>>512309890
>Everything was built by us
the only thing you built was a doner kebab mit scharf, Deniz
now go back to the kitchen before uncle Mehmet gives you the shoe again

>>512310340
Nigga legless Russians on donkeys armed with shovels are enough to make Ukrainians plead and beg

>>512309267
the biden admin was really interesting in how closely it resembled the gerontocracy era of kremlinology
pelosi, grassley, feinstein, biden, nadler, etc...a lot of our government's most powerful people are not that different from the soviet politburo of the 80s

>>512310442
They should have left them to their nomadic shepherding honestly. Utilize people for what utility they innately possess and would choose for themselves. Rural people make excellent snipers and infantry officers in the military when they are loyal and pursuing their own utility and purpose in the empire. They're not backward, they're just not factory workers.
Your point is valid though.

>>512310612
Please do the needful

>>512305344 (OP)
Russia was already in ruins by the time he got there. He tried to manage the collapse, but the old-school types wouldn't go along; resulting in the mess you see now

>>512310787
Your incompetence and inferiority is what's making you a raging retard at nation level. That's why you hate Deutschland and the Soviets.

>>512309933
you have to view that famous commercial through the lens of advertising as mass media, social engineering, and gorbachev's view of himself as catalyst for change thoughbeit

IF my man Andropovas was alive for at least 10 years it would all have been ogre. Now we are living in a doomed timeline.

>>512310612
>I am neither English nor Welsh. Try again Ivan.
So, we can assume your nationality is toilet cleaner?

>>512310005
supposedly they were carrying some important papers/maps as well, according to the youtuber Canadian Prepper anyway

>>512310680
Anon, history is written by the victors. From this point you have to study history( which is like 90% lies most of the time ) but everything went to shits during the Brezhnev era when stagnation first appeared. By your logic, apart from Yuri Andropov, who mind you was the first to signal that thing are going bad and they need to act fast , not one tried to handle it apart from him. The whole soviet union was kept up by Slavs while the non Slavs were literally babysitted for the whole duration. Read in detail about Andropov, he saw, knew what had to be done and suddenly died( strange right ). By the time Gorbachev got his hands on power it was to late and yes , Chernobyl wasn't handled accordingly but he is least to be blamed for this

>>512310826
You have become the Soviet Union but without the benefits and with all the downsides. Think about it. EU isn't that far behind.

>>512310944
Poland is a far better country than where you are from. Syrian scum.

>>512310944
>That's why you hate Deutschland
we pity you for the thorough ass raping you took in 1945
and for the suicide you've been committing since 2015
it's pretty concerinng actually, we're gonna have a Turkish Cumhuriyet on our western border soon

>>512311020
>So, we can assume your nationality is toilet cleaner?
No. I'm Scottish. We use russian mail order brides to clean our toilets these days. Cheaper than poles.

>>512310702
He didn’t try Deng-like reforms. Deng made seriously calculated and controlled pragmafic effort without causing chaos with misguided political and societal reforms.
Soviet Union was a far more developed state than China in 80s. Moderate reforms could’ve improved the situation and THEN he might’ve experimented with political reforms and further economic reforms.
He literally first wrecked the economy and then quickly tried radical liberalization hoping that people who lived decades under a specific system can suddenly turn into Americans or something if he merely wished so. He abandoned Eastern Europe and rallied against groups who weren’t even causing issues.
His idol was Lenin but Lenin would’ve shot him after 5 minutes of talking with him one on one.

>>512310595
In a geopolitical sense, yes obviously, but in a technical sense China is comprised of very real different peoples and nations under one state and one imposed identity, whereas USA is a new world cloaca of nationalities with arbitrary administrative units, hence why I said it depends on interpretation. China is an empire by the dictionary definition of the word, USA needs some wiggling to fit.

>>512310624
shut up and worship the supreme leader or go to gulag

>>512305344 (OP)
as opposed to stalin, mao, pol pot, memeflags

>>512310695
Yes they were anon but they were still like niggers in Africa . You had to pay for their living. Look at the Stan countries how they went from ok lands to live to only Kazakhstan being a normal society and that was after 20 years after the soviet fall.

>>512310826
>>512310870
Soviet union is a prime example of why the Europeans should just mind their own fucking business at this point and stop trying to be kind and helpful.

>>512310990
We all know he was assassinated for trying to do something

>>512310990
To be fair this retard was Andropov’s pick.
>>512311062
I came to this conclusion after seriously studying 80’s USSR and Gorbachev’s rule.
Gorbachev was a fucking incompetent idiot who bumbled from one bad decision to another.
Andropov didn’t try radical and suicidal reforms cause he was a pragmatic man, not a retarded idealist who thought he could wish things into reality.

>>512310612
An actual bharati benchod kek

>>512310698
Very based man. He did more than any Russian

>>512311444
>Andropov didn’t try radical and suicidal reforms cause he was a pragmatic man
Here is where you are wrong, go and study some of his speeches, that man knew exactly what was the problems and how to solved them. Somehow he only lasted 2 years despite being perfectly healthy before taking power. I call foul play but I don't know who exactly is responsible

>>512310680
>Gorbachev turned issues stemming from Brezhnev era into CATASTROPHIC issues with his retarded policies.
you are missing the fact that it might have been intentional. there's more than one layer to everything. sometime if you see a disease is potentially fatal, you intentionally trigger a crisis.

in this case, i am arguing that Gorby (or rather, the weird KGB psychic remote viewer types behind him) killed the USSR with his policies but saved Russia, instead of allowing it to be chopped up and sold to the Rothschilds and JP Morgan (city of london anglo-zionist bankers).

seems like it was touch-and-go there for a few years in the shock therapy 90s (i recently watched the Adam Curtis documentary series "TraumaZone" using BBC footage from those years, highly recommend if you're into this stuff) but now it's looking like Russia will survive and remain one of mankind's three or four great powers heading into the space age/singularity era

>>512311623
>but now it's looking like Russia will survive and remain one of mankind's three or four great powers heading into the space age/singularity era
lol they literally invaded Ukraine because they want their imaginary empire back

Russia must solve its own problems first on the inside and join the free world

>>512311805
>invade Ukraine
>”hey Zelensky if you promise you won’t fuck around with NATO and stay neutral we’ll fuck off back”
>niggers sell this as imperialism
Keep trying

>>512311216
Wearing a skirt does not make you Scottish.

>>512310680
>Gorbachev turned issues stemming from Brezhnev era into CATASTROPHIC issues with his retarded policies.
You are very close to realizing the internal issues of an empire tend to snowball into unmanageable problems. That was the fundamental problem of the Soviet Union and now the US. It is assumed the empire is so powerful it can brush off the internal issues. If we are being honest most of the problems that Gorbachev fucked up were a result of the post-war Soviet Union being an unmanageable shit show that burned though more resources than it could produce. The Baltic’s in particular were always a problem.
>Literally if he did nothing and carried on USSR wouldn’t collapse.
Not when it did. By the time Gorbi came to power the problems you’ve listen were at a point where it was simply unworkable and the bulk of the populace just stopped giving a shit about whatever fantastic party plans were proposed. No decision made could be considered “correct.” Only “less wrong.” The USSR was doomed. There was no changing that.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2022/02/lessons-of-the-fall-revisiting-the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union/

Also I want to point out that from Stalin to Putin all are traitor to mankind, just like every American president after Truman til trump , every french president from de Gaul, every British PM since Churchill and every Chairman from Mao to Xi. They all have nukes yet not one nuked India and that is unacceptable!

>>512311881
then why Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join Europe and NATO?

Look the whole world, I mean a bigger half of it, is free, Russia is just fighting the inevitable, why are Russians still stuck in the 19th century? It's over. World is heading towards singularity, that is One World Goverment, rogue actors are not welcome on this planet

>>512308423
lulz
Gott hat England bestraft
Ииcyc – pyccкий, и oн их cпaceт Poccию

>>512311547
>perfectly healthy
He had kidney issues.
And again, Andropov didn’t envison anything like Gorbachev spontaneously did on a whim. He would mostly probably push through limited reforms similar to what China did. Andropov was Jewish by the way.

>>512312251
Anon, read about Andropov in depth, really. He was very smart and warned a lot about stagnation and it's risk. Also there are a lot of people with kidney issues who don't suddenly died, you know ?

>>512311444
checked
why am i the only one schizo enough to see that the headline, mainstream version of history is obviously constructed/scripted to obscure a deeper version of history

the communist/capitalist post-ww2 order was scripted by global shadow powers/elite factions as a preliminary stage in global alchemical ritual to create a one world government and spur humanity to the next stage in its evolution

the late-stage soviet figures we're discussing in this thread were playing roles, just like politicians on the stage in america in the 2020s are currently doing. biden, trump, these are symbolic figures like like brezhnev, andropov, and especially gorby and yeltsin. it's all scripted

you have to read history on multiple levels, and instead of seeing black and white, true and false, you have to be able to see multiple things as being simultaneously true. view history as a chemical reaction, or soap opera, or chaotic process, or a negotiation between different parties.

you really think when gorbachev did all these things, laid the groundwork for the political breakup of the USSR, withdrew from afghanistan, instituted huge economic reforms, he thought everything was going to go smoothly?

you really think trump is just randomly tariffing all our trading partners because he wants to "reduce America's debt?"

these are the excuses they give in the news, for talking heads to read, and for historians to put in textbooks for school children to read. they aren't "real" (whatever "real" means) reasons

david fucking rockefeller's private jet had the ability to land at moscow or st petersberg airport at any time during the cold war, and often did!

lenin and trotsky were both sent to russia in 1917 for the october revolution with large amounts of money from bankers. why?

history is an ongoing alchemical process, a ceremonial magic ritual. mankind, our collective consciousness is the raw material in the cauldron. gorbachev viewed himself as a catalyst, literally.

>>512312581
they why it is taking so long?

>>512312021
You are wrong anon. Khruschev so-so, Brezhnev is generally loved, Andropov was ok, Medvedev was ok

>>512312047
Get fucked unatconigger

>>512311805
nice memflag friend, why don't you take that off and relax a little bit.

>>512311969
good post.
but what happens when the people running an empire realize it's doomed? they can either go down with the ship (and have their homeland get sold off afterwards) or they can do a controlled demolition and manage it as it gets rebuilt, transmuted into the next phase

>>512312047
shitty bait

>>512310117
>The last insult of a defeated man and nation.
I think its funny how you lash out at Russians as if they're the ones raping, killing, and replacing your people in your own land. You do this because the Russians make for an easy target. You're even encouraged to hate them. But against your real enemy you are too afraid to speak out, because you'd get a knock on your door.

>>512310117
>Tick tock you fucking losers.

>>512312707
Did they nuke India ???
If you had access to nukes wouldn't you nuke India first thing ?

>>512312691
Let the elites cook. Don't rush it. Enjoy your 8 billion people planet while it's still a thing.

>>512312581
I'm also a schizo and think that some kind of Phantom time theory is at work and that we are not in 2025 but way back.

>>512313021
Russians and Chinks will kick the bucket soon, that is, they rather launch nukes than lose their "power"

Lol, Power, that is imaginary empires and belief that they are something, while whole world wants nothing to do with them, no one.

>>512312581
I just don’t think there was anything nefarious with Gorbachev, he was just an idealist and not very competent.
>>512312388
>suddenly
He was on dialysis bro, he didn’t die suddenly.

>>512309505
We know from KGB documents from back then that he ordered them to promote new-age stuff, reiki etc. to aid the transition, also to promote the Orthodox Church to give people an ideological filling for the vacuum he was aware he was producing.

>>512313398
80% of US population is on dialysis anon and they keep living. Look I'm just saying that maybe Stalin knew more with the doctors then we are let to believe. In two years, under the best supervision from the best medics they had in the soviet union he died. Look at pics and videos of him from when he started and then check at the middle of his rule. He went to shits way to fast.

>>512305344 (OP)
>How come no Russian ever shot this faggot?
By that time, he had already escaped and appeared in a Pizza Hut commercial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev_Pizza_Hut_commercial

>>512307868
Now all those economic hardships are solely because the power that came after him decided to do a shock transition as suggested by Harvard Jews, in Romania we did the exact opposite based on Romanian non-Jews decision making and we had 0 deaths due to poverty, inflation, transition hardships.
We had a control dismantling of the socialist structure with many stages planned out for transitioning, it was still chaotic but it had some predictable phases and institutional support.

>>512305344 (OP)
If you think Gorbachev could've changed anything then you are retarded. Not to mention Yeltsin was fucking with him and then the other commies trying to turn back the reforms and locking Gorbachev up, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You are the American version of thinking the USA president has a gas price button in the White House. The system was completely fucked, it was either collapse or civil war and collapse. Gorbachev even till the end still thought communism was possible to reform but Yeltsin made himself president of RF and dismantled the USSR with the signatures of Belarus and Ukraine presidents together too and you talk as if russians didn't want to dismantle USSR, who tried stopping the commie coup and were trying to stop the tanks in August? Yeltsin alone? Go fuck yourself. Learn history or you will sound like a dumb vatnik, in that case sign the contract.

>>512305344 (OP)
He tried to make good to Russia, the country was/is always fucked in the head because Russians live in it. Can't do anything.

>>512307868
>he chose to do nothing
This is what happens when vatniks don't learn history. See >>512315632

>>512305344 (OP)
Reminder that Putin gave him a state funeral with military guard of honor in 2022.

>>512305344 (OP)
He did the necessary. The USSR wasn't sustainable. He managed to allow a transformation without millions of casualties in civil war.

>>512316063
Russians can be proud that they even survived the USSR.

>>512305344 (OP)
>destroy your country
My country was destroyed in 1917. Everything that would happen later was programmed the same year.

>>512305344 (OP)
Good question, probably became kikes don't target their own.

>>512313282
Right. Americans will be doing silly things too.

>512305344
more people died in the january 6th "insurrection: then the dissolution of the USSR senor memeflaggot

>>512316339
Which was worse, the February revolution or October revolution?
>probably October, all things considered

>>512316063
And now they still loose millions of people over the next years in a civil war (ukis and russians are the same to me)

>>512316709
Didn't some die in the aftermath? Or do lolberts have some alternate history in which russian ancapism actually worked?

>>512316758
There was one more revolution - 1905-1907. Ironically, this happened to be the worst one because it caused the most damage to the government, established parliamentarism way too early for a provincial and inexperienced country like Russia which predetermined both revolutions of 1917 and forced Nicholas to sign an Anglo-Russian convention which predetermined WWI. Not to mention that it cost us the defeat in the Russo-Japanese war.

>>512305344 (OP)
F-k hugest prison
We want freedom, youtube, visa, love.

>>512307721
Born: March 2, 1931, Privol'noe, Russia
Died: August 30, 2022 (age 91 years), Moscow Central Clinical Hospital, Moscow, Russia

>The friends of Russia despise him.
>The enemies of Russia celebrate him.

This is all you need to know about Nobel Peace Prize Gorbachev.

>>512307868
>We have not recovered yet.
Good. This is God's eternal punishment for the atheist commie scum Soviet Empire that spread terror and subversion across the world for a century. May you never recover.

>>512305344 (OP)
Because the KGB was already infiltrated.
It all started with the jew Andropov, Gorby was but one of many of his disciples.
I still find the fact that he managed to turn a nuclear armed superpower into a snowy Bangladesh with next to violence quite fascinating.
It just goes to show how effective jewish infiltration can be under the correct circumstances.

>>512305344 (OP)
You can't out pizza the Hut.

>>512313706
Eastern Europe got massive bailouts from the West to ease shock therapy, Russia got nothing because the West knew it needed to be crippled for at least two decades to facilitate the incorporation of the former Soviet sphere of influence into the EU and NATO.

>>512316063
It's a matter of historical record that he bungled the transition severely. He was basically couped twice, first by the Gang of Eight, then by Yeltsin and the Presidents of Belarus and Ukraine. At no point did he want the dissolution of the USSR.