Thread 512306599

So poles actually celebrate a butthurt uprising they not only lost, but also shortly after, they were sold out to the soviets as slaves for a few decades?

....Why?

>>512306599 (OP)
it was a proof of locals fighting for their own cause against the occupier and not waiting for soviets to liberate them

>>512306711
"Liberate" didn't they literally rape and massacre y'all throughout...?

>>512306599 (OP)
we celebrate dead warsawians. you don't know how much the rest of the poland hates them. warsaw shoudl be bombed each decade just in case

>>512306711
what were they thinking? poolack history is full of these retarded uprising, with which poolacks are ok, but they are just insane waste of human lives

>>512306599 (OP)
it was a stupid thing. They should have just waited for the soviets

>>512306806
for the locals it was revenge and they got it

>>512306599 (OP)
We got to kill some krauts. That alone is a reason to celebrate.

>>512307149
Yeah honestly, you persuaded me. Good job. Thread over.

We stood against the biggest military power at the time, as civilians, with nothing but makeshift weapons and we managed to put a dent in their operations - against all odds. Your zigger ancestry would never even allow you to think about doing something like that. That's why ziggers are the laughing stock of the world right now, old and young pathetic yes men being disemboweled by drones everyday invading foreign land. Who is the butthurt one? lol

>>512306599 (OP)
It's a pretty cool celebration. Nothing too fancy. Cities shut down for 1 minute and sirens blare. Sometimes construction guys will roar their engines or machines to add to it. people light flares.
>Why?
Well we respect the sacrifice they made for a free Polish nation and state. ultimately they were doomed because the russians wanted them all dead and the germans were never going to tolerate them, but i think it's better to die with a gun in your hands than to live as a slave. so i respect them a lot for their actions. also many of them were very young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pTPMq4ZrGw

>>512307030
they got their shit pushed in for no reason. They thought soviets would help them fight but the Soviets intentionally waited so that Warsaw would be spent with no chance of resistance

>>512306599 (OP)
We have our version of that as well

>>512307343
>for no reason
better to die on your feet than submit on your knees. and despite the odds they fought incredibly well and produced a legacy that will last as long as there is a Pole alive. so we honour their memory as they were really inspiring people.

>>512307459
we aren't an islamic country so i don't get the reference. i didn't know slovkia had a muslim population either.

>>512306599 (OP)
to remember all who died heroicaly for our nation
on the other hand care to explain why alexander nevsky who sold you to mongols is your saint and national hero?
>A grandson of Vsevolod the Big Nest, Nevsky rose to legendary status after victories over Swedish invaders in the Battle of the Neva (1240), which earned him the title "Nevsky" in the 15th century, and over German crusaders in the Battle on the Ice (1242). He agreed to pay tribute to the Golden Horde, which allowed him to preserve the Eastern Orthodox Church, while fighting against foreign powers to the west and the south. Macarius, Metropolitan of Moscow canonized Alexander Nevsky as a saint of the Russian Orthodox Church in 1547.

>Regarded long after his death as "one of the great heroes of Russian history",[6] Nevsky is credited with having "saved the Russian people [from Catholicism and being] enslaved by the Germans".[7] Nevsky's successes led his image to be used by Peter the Great in the construction of Saint Petersburg. His image was also used to promote patriotism in the Soviet Union, especially during World War II.[8] The 1938 film Alexander Nevsky cemented Nevsky's reputation as a Russian savior.

>Alexander faithfully supported Mongol rule within his own domains. In 1259, he led an army to the city of Novgorod and forced it to pay tribute it had previously refused to the Golden Horde.[49]

>>512307343
kneel, honorless bastarda. Live free or die, that's Polands way since 10th century

>>512307343
>but the Soviets intentionally waited
No, retard. The uprising was organized by the underground partisans, which operated under the British Polish government in exile. Said government wanted a liberation before the Soviets would arrive so, seeing no better window of opportunity, they ordered for uprising to happen now, before the Red Army arrives. Naturally, all the movement gets its shit pushed in and the niggers that gave the order managed to portray themselves as the victims.

>>512307512
it's just a random pic you dumb polack off course we don't have Muslims but we are getting indians now which is wonderful

>>512307343
Sounds smart for them. Die as a hero defending your homeland, rather than wait cowardly for red horde and live the rest of your pathetic life under their yoke. I'd rather die in battle too if I was on their place + majority of combatants were young chad looking males who had some very good reasons to fight even if it's asymetrical warfare doomed to fail

>>512307742
>No, retard. The uprising was organized by the underground partisans, which operated under the British Polish government in exile
not really true.
>British Polish government
that didn't exist. we had members of our original government flee the country to avoid being shot by the Germans and Russians during the partition of the country in 1939. they continued the government of Poland from abroad. there were multiple organizations under a single umbrella organization known as Armia Krajowa... "Country Army" or "Home Army". there were several factions within this organization and often had various identification names and were often organised into battalions.
>wanted a liberation before the Soviets would arrive so, seeing no better window of opportunity
they mostly had hoped that the Russians would support the Uprising which was a big gamble considering Russia cooperated with Germany in 1939 to dissolve the Polish nation and partition it among each other. The Red Army halted their advance and waited for the Uprising to die down.
>portray themselves as the victims
well we were fighting for our nation against foreign occupation.
>>512307900
i dont get why you posted it then

From the perspective of time it was absolutely retarded waste of life and caused total destruction of the city.

I fucking hate previous generations.

>>512308101
>From the perspective of time it was absolutely retarded waste of life and caused total destruction of the city.
its definitely a debate among alot of people. personally i'd rather die than live under a foreign government. so i support the action of resistance against occupation and see their actions as heroic. i am happy that we have this mentality in our culture, and that is why I believe Polish culture and language is so enduring. we are very proud and protective of it and willing to fight even if the odds are against us.

>>512307964
It was unironically the Sovets' chance to establish undying loyalty with Poles by arriving to liberate Warsaw together from the one dimensional villain, Germany.

They instead chose to wait and let them kill themselves, so the end result they got was a Poland butthurt at Soviets as well. That little decision on Stalin's part could have made Poland be basically a Belarus 2.0 by today.

>>512306599 (OP)
mati miałeś przeczytać lekturę
zostały 3 tygodnie do końca wakacji

>>512308235
to be fair to the Russians, we would have never submitted to communist rule which is why Russia preferred to see the AK forces in Warsaw deplete themselves. they wanted to control the country and establish a communist puppet state (proof: 1945). AK was a very anti-communist organization, especially among the more nationalist formations which would later go on as a handful of diehards in a later movement known as the "cursed soldiers". Essentially, AK guys who refused to accept the post-1945 consensus and went into the forests to contionue the fight against foreign occupation. however, there was nobody really left to continue the fight which is why they didn't really achieve all that much except produce some Wild West tier legends.

>>512308197
>personally i'd rather die than live under a foreign government

Well, you will get your chance to prove your conviction when Islam takes over.

>>512306599 (OP)
As someone whose family was there fighting and killing the Nazis as best they could I'm going to tell you that you are a giant fucking retarded faggot and should kill yourself so that you do not infect the rest of the world with your stupid and stupid-AIDS.

>>512307467
>>512307964
I get it but they still could have still been heroic and survived if they waited until the soviets actually arrived and attacked then.
Like I don't even get what their plan was. They wanted to be in control of the city as the soviets arrived? Did they think Poland could resist the apex of the Soviet WW2 war machine charging through, when they already thought Poland and all Nazi occupied territories were theirs? They were taking everything down to Berlin; possibly they'd take the whole mainland continent if the USA and Britain didn't make a western front to challenge them.
Warsaw could either fight with the Germans or fight with the Soviets; they couldn't be independent. This was entirely about timing and tens of thousands of people died horribly because it was mis-timed

>>512308385
well thankfully our cultural identity is strong so this will never happen. i mean we are the only country in the world that has active patriotic militias that patrol the borders. nobody else in the world has anything close to what we have.

>>512308235
>Stalin waited
It's unclear whether it was Stalin's decision or the reality on sight that made soviets unable to intervene, Soviets were even able of doing much help at that time period and the situation on the frontline.

>>512308460
That why you ran off to Canada, Tomek?

You gonna defend Poland from the incoming Russians in 2027?

>>512308536
weren't*

>>512308468
>i mean we are the only country in the world that has active patriotic militias that patrol the borders
hungary, bulgaria and serbia had that way before you. polish arrogance has no bounds.

>>512306754
partly, but they got going in Germany. It really pissed them off seeing the Germans living in nice, undamaged houses with red roses outside while their country was attacked and reduced to rubble. They had some self control in Poland the same hate wasn't there.

>>512308468
>We p-patrol da borders
Lol cope faggot.
I've been to Poland. Plenty of jeets and nigs roaming the steets freely.
Guess "patrolling" goes only so far to project an image to Magacattle

>>512308461
>I get it but they still could have still been heroic and survived if they waited until the soviets actually arrived and attacked then.
the Soviets would have turned the guns against them just as they did in 1939 when they allied with the Germans to invade Poland. plus AK were mostly anti-communists who did not want Bolshevik ideology in the country (for many reasons, and many AK members were former Army and had already fought either the Germans or the Russians in 1939).
>Like I don't even get what their plan was. They wanted to be in control of the city as the soviets arrived?
The plan was ultimately a false hope that the germans would withdraw under pressure from the uprising in combination with advances made by the Red Army. it was then very naively hoped the Red Army would have given the city space and not annexed it, but ultimately this was quite foolish in terms of expectations. although there were many who just were tired of the abuses and violence that made up life in German occupation.
>Warsaw could either fight with the Germans or fight with the Soviets
we are Poles we fight everybody. its our nature. we prefer to die rather than submit to foreign and hostile ideologies. communism here didnt really last that long, barely a generation of people. my grandfather for example was just a boy during all of this and his father was a miner who often got into street fights with the communist police.
>>512308634
hungary bulgaria and serbia do not have patriotic militias on the borders right now. we are not arrogant at all, we are just proud of what we have and thankful for the generations that preferred blood than slavery. so it's a good thing. we are very different from germans as you guys mostly follow authority.
>>512308704
it sounds like you haven't been to Poland. to be honest i dont really believe you are ethnically German either. germans are not really this bitter so i have some suspicions about your ethnicity.

>>512308461
we werent part of soviet union tho

>>512308556
You're a Serb?

>>512308704
do you have any other blatant lies to declare?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xY1uwCiM4c
if anyone is interested, this is what the event looks like in warsaw. other cities have smaller events. in my city for example, they play the sound of air raid sirens and everyone comes to a stop and has a moment of remebrance.

>>512308468
Ok buddy. I'm sure you can keep the integrity of the country and fight back with 0.7 fertility.

>>512307742
>make a deal with UK and chimp out at germany for no reason starting in 1935
>they abandon you to soviets in 1939 and you get spitroasted by soviets and germans
>make an exile government in the UK anyway
>UK helps you with the resistance and prods you into starting an uprising with some ludicrous hope that USSR wouldn't steamroll them anyway
>get slaughtered again
>churchhill happily divides eastern europe together with stalin and poles eat shit for the next 45 years
and now poles are ready to die for anglos for the third time

>>512308977
ferility rates rise and fall all the time. the Polish population is the highest it has ever been in history and the country is also the most stable it has ever been. our traditional geopolitical rivals, germany and russia, are both either expiring themselves in pointless wars or socially in ruins. to be honest this a very optimistic time for Poland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejd2rsXoQSI
here was a video made 13 years ago to promote what it looks like for foreign audiences. it still gives tears to my eyes.

>>512309045
>geopolitical rivals, germany and russia, are both either expiring themselves in pointless wars or socially in ruins
everytime this happened it spelled bad news for poland.
no idea what shit you are smoking but lay it off for your own good.

>>512309306
yea you most likely will invade us again when you realize how badly you fucked up yourself with all those niggers and muslims but at least you dont have functional military anymore

>>512308810
oh wtf I thought you were for a little while.
Well you were still a Soviet satellite state and being independent when the Soviets passed through in 1944 wouldn't have made a difference.
Warsaw uprising started around the end of the Soviets very successful operation Bagration
I think if the US didn't intervene in Europe that the soviets would have annexed all of you

>>512308776
>>I get it but they still could have still been heroic and survived if they waited until the soviets actually arrived and attacked then.
>the Soviets would have turned the guns against them just as they did in 1939 when they allied with the Germans to invade Poland
yeah maybe but at first you would fight together to kill the Germans. What'd happen after that is unknown but it couldn't be as bad as what actually happened. The soviets would take control and set up a communist state no matter what; one city can't resist that.

>>512309306
do you have one example for "everytime this happened" in history? Poland right now has stability, good alliances, friendly relations with neighbors (minus belarus, but belarus is sadly a people on the road to extinction) and dont really have any serious issues right now. our geopolitical rivals are exhausting themselves socially and dont seem to be doing much for their own people. i never met any germans who hated Poles for example, germans were more angry at their own government for turning your cities into refugee centers. i cant blame germans for that.

>>512309526
>yeah maybe but at first you would fight together to kill the Germans.
this was never going to happen because russia had already allied with Germany in 1939 to invade the country. plus the russians carried out several mass executions of Poles, including the Katyn forest massacre which targeted the military and the NKVD 1938 Operation which targeted women and children. we were not dumb enough to believe an occupier was a friend.

>>512309526
because we kept fighting they settled for us joining the commitern as independent nation since they didnt want prolonging the war without land lease and with possibly us getting some

They also invented mythology of how Soviets let them get defeated even though they were in no position to help and they refused to even contact them and coordinate.

>>512309516
you would stop laughing if you realized that you are americas propped up punching bag for the next big thing against russia.
but hey, at least its not germany this time. enjoy your high while you still can.

>>512309735
i really have a hard time believing these are ethnically German people. germans and poles have a pretty quiet relationship outside of politics.
>>512309800
its not really a mythology it was a fact, plus the russians had already allied with the germans in 1939 to invade the country. they were in a position to help but halted their advance. actually several Polish units broke orders to try and help the fighters in the city.

ITT:
Amerimutts not understanding why to fight for freedom if you can't win
Rusmongols not understanding why to fight if you can't rape and steal
Germaturks not understanding why to fight if you can just roach your way into another country

>>512309862
>you would stop laughing if you realized that you are americas propped up punching bag for the next big thing against russia.
how are we a punching bag? we are at peace and have no real border threates outside of lukashenko's immigration policies which are displacing belarusian people from their own country (2nd largest immigrant group in Poland are belarusians being pushed out of their country by immigrants). russia cant beat ukraine and is exhausting themselves in the process of fighting them, and they have very old society and aging leadership. meaning russia will have internal issues for the rest of my life which is good, it means i can continue to have a good life and prosper. this is really one of the best generations in terms of stability for Polish people. i can't really say anything to negative except that the EU needs serious reform.

>>512307298
katyn best day of my life

>>512310016
damn anon you must be in your 90s

>>512310006
you are really to dense to see the writing on the wall, dont you.
ignorance sure is bliss.

>>512309882
No, the fact is that Soviet forces were overstretched and weren’t dumb enough to risk a catastrophic operational defeat to save Warsaw and help people who were antagonistic to them.
>allied with germans
They didn’t ally with Germans, they merely accepted reality and made an agreement after years of being rebuffed in their attempts to form an anti-Nazi coalition.
Poland for example “allied” with Germans in the same way when it came to Czechoslovakia and blocked Soviet plans of helping Czechs.

>>512309862
i wasnt laughing but i am now
lmao

I always tought the look of AK fighters in Uprising was cool. you can see how they would kill a German occupier, take his equipment, and create a unique blend of Polish, civilian and German stuff.
>>512310124
what "writing on the wall"?
>>512310168
they weren't really overstretched at all, and the germans were in a very weak position (which the Uprising also exposed). the fact the Uprising went for as long as it did showed how weak the Germans were in the sector as they were in a state of demoralization, panic and withdrawal. don't get me wrong, I understand the Russians in this case. The last thing Russia wanted was armed Polish people to be alive, because they wanted to establish a puppet state so obviously they would never tolerate nationalist people. I think this was a naive hope of the Uprising participants, however, I still admire them and support their actions because its much better to die with a rifle in your hands than to be shot in a ditch somewhere.
and now, we didn't ally with Germans in terms of Czechs. Actually today we enjoy very good relations with Czechs so this isnt really a good comparison either. Russia allied with Germans, even embracing each other and taking photos and holding joint parades after they annexed Poland together. thankfully the USSR was very incompetent and only lasted about 40ish years after ww2.

>>512308556
There's not going to be a 2027. Not for the Russians if they think they are going to be allowed to invade Poland again. We're just going to cook you from orbit. You and your missiles. You still fighting with T-34s Ivan. Go home and stay there or you gonna end up extra crispy.

one of the cool insurgent made fighting vehicles as well, (and the original is still preserved pic related).

It was nicknamed Kubuś and was outfitted with light machine gun, a british PIAT and had a flamethrower installed by insurgents. they built this thing under the noses of German occupation and rolled it into the fighting. it participated in two succesful actions during the Uprising and was then abandoned. which is why its still in decent shape today.

another one of my favorite photos from the Uprising. many people forget these were majority young Poles, 16-18 years old, who were tired of being abused and wanted to fight until the end. but in the photos you see, they are always in such good spirits despite the fact it was kind of known it was a hopeless operation. this picture was taken of a wedding between a young Polish nurse and a Polish insurgent.

>>512310913
you can see the priest blessing the marriage. also note the young insurgent has a sling. he was wounded in combat that day and decided to marry the girl whom helped save him. really a story from a film, but it happened.

>>512308101
>caused total destruction of the city.
that was actually pretty based

>>512311097
in some ways, yeah. the germans could not afford to continue sustaining the losses and time spent on fighting in the city. they failed to break AK forces and werent really able to dent even morale. so they resigned to decimating the city. another reason why i find hitler to be a grandoise LARPer.

>>512306599 (OP)
they have nothing else to celebrate and need something of "pride"

this is a cool photo which highlights another significant factor that was used by the insurgents during the Uprising... the sewer system. most European cities at this time had very extensive sewer systems and were very well made/sturdy. Warsaw was no exception. these places were used for all kinds of purposes such as infilitration, relaying messages, transporting troops throughout city, establishing kill zones for germans who tried to penetrate them. you can see a squad of insurgents on the move here, probably just emerging on the left from underground the city.

young insurgent machine gunner. you can see his left hand is bandaged from the fighting.

this was taken around the famous barriade of Żyrardów near Holy Trinity. these barriacdes were thrown up at choke points all over the city and its why germans had a hard time effectively mounting attacks. Warsaw was also a very built up city in this time, meaning that thebuildings were well made and also full of insurgents. it becomes clear how they were able to fight on as long as they did when you also combine this point here >>512311626

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI-lydvm1GA
the Uprising also produced a number of patriotic musics too, such as "Boys strong as steel".

the pic here shows our flamethrowers in action, some domestic others captured from germans. used to great effect in tight urban environment during ambushes.

underground gunsmiths were very prevalent as well

front line kitchen where the guys were geting calories to keep fighting

.... i honestly have no idea what this is. an engine?

nothing wrong with the clasics

of course we had to conduct other national traditions such as fighting with sabers.
right im going to go play hell let loose now

>>512312902
yeah it's an engine, looks like 2 cylinder air cooled
probably power generator

>>512306599 (OP)
The only reason Hitler invaded Poland was to get a frontline with the soviets

>>512308460
>>512308556
>That why you ran off to Canada, Tomek?
Yeah why did you leave Poland? Poland is a good country to live in, it's not like it's some shithole so you can't live there

>>512306711
>and not waiting for soviets to liberate them
The goal literally was for soviets to liberate us though. It was never, not once, about seriously fighting to defeat germs as if a bunch of untrained civilians could succeed where our army had failed. The leadership that organized the uprising went ahead with it in a mistaken belief that people who have every reason to let us die would pick up the ball once we got it rolling.

>>512307742
yeah pretty much this.
just another case of the anglo manipulating the pole, as always.

>>512308385
forget islam
your two most pressing threats are globohomo or zionism. poland will end up in one or both of those camps.

>>512316418
the british had very little organisational input into uprising.
>>512316673
not possible. we already survived globohomo (soviet union) anyway.
>zionism
tell me you know nothing about poland lol

>>512316986
no you went from one brand of leftism (eastern), to another (western). america is and has always been a communist country. just not a marxist-leninist one.

polish normies want to dye their hair pink and worship niggers, its just a fact.

polish chuds want to die fighting russia.

>>512318378
america is not a "communist" country. you don't even know what communism was.
>polish normies want to die their hair pink and worship niggers
you should get off porn you have no idea what you are talking about kek
>polish chuds want to die fighting russia
russia is committing collective suicide bashing head against wall in ukraine for no reason. they're currently begging indians for military support putin just met with their security chief from india. please stop making things up.

>>512318499
anglo progressivism is the father of marxist-leninism. anglo communism came BEFORE eastern communism and not the other way around.

bolshevism was effectively a western financed color revolution.

if you dont understand this youre living in a boomer version of reality.