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How come vegans say that their diets are healthy when they are very unhealthy?

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Researchers in New Zealand analyzed the diets of nearly 200 long-term vegan Kiwis and found that about three-fourths of them met the daily recommended protein intake from plant-based foods like tofu, lentils, legumes and meat alternatives.

But here’s the twist: once digestion was factored in, only about half of the participants were getting enough of two essential amino acids — the building blocks of protein — called lysine and leucine.

Leucine is key for making protein and growth hormones, and it plays a vital role in muscle growth and repair, wound healing and blood sugar regulation. Lysine, on the other hand, is crucial for hormone production, energy, and calcium and immune function.

The problem for vegans, researchers explained, is that only a small fraction of the already low levels of these amino acids in plant foods is being absorbed by the body, while the rest is simply passed out.

Yaszzz. It's still manufactured processed food in a factory with some workers on the conveyor belt and the others having their break while others machines are doing their thing...

Vegetarian and veganism is the same for the environment as trucks, factories and dropping litter on the ground.

/fit/fags have known this for years. Vegan trash is not made up of complete protein. Eat your fucking eggs

vegans and environmentalists are some of the most sick and insidious people around today, they try to use altruism and empathy to trick people into starving themselves and living worse than a slave while doing nothing to stop elites or other countries like china and india from actually destroying the environment

>>512307969 (OP)
humanity has been omnivores for hundreds of thousands of years and NOW they realize that eating just grass isn't good for them?????

>>512308584
Eggs aren't good enough. They're good, but not good enough. Also, eggs are kind of gay.

The Demiurge made the world.

Nature != Good

Even if I were to believe that a no-kill diet is not optimal health wise, I still would do it.

If 'vegan' were a decision I made due to health, then I'd care about this.

>>512308974
gay lmao

>>512307969 (OP)
I know some vegans. One who also fed her kids vegan almost lost her child to sepsis by around age 7. Another had constant gut issues and doctors visits with colostomies etc.

>>512307969 (OP)
>lysine and leucine
You can easily get sufficient amounts of those through combining proteins. This retardation is getting tiresome. Is being vegan ideal? No. Do I advise anyone to follow it? No. Why? Because its a ballache, hardly anyone follows it correctly, hardly anyone consumes sufficient volume.

But half of the 200 participants were fine though

>>512308905
Based, mongols conquered the world riding horses and drinking blood from their neck. Only dairy and meat, rest of the world ate gruel and bent the knee

>>512307969 (OP)
I would say a healthy vegan diet is possible but is peculiar and tedious.

I EAT RED MEAT EVRYDAY BECAUSE I KNOW ITS GOOD FOR ME I DONT NEED OVERPAID RETARDS TO TELL ME THAT

>>512307969 (OP)
so? they should just do what rabbits do and eat their shit to get second go at digestion!

Self solving problem. Like most of them.

>>512307969 (OP)
Didnt we know this? That processed replacement foods could not and would not be able to duplicate nutrient rich real foods that we and our evolutionary ancestors grew up eating for millions of years?

This is not news to any sentient non-NPC

"Trust the Science" Remember, these people want you dead and they think its funny.

>>512307969 (OP)
No shit. WE CAN'T DIGEST PLANTS.

Meh, it's not like you eat meat to be healthier. You do because it's tasty. So do I. Luv pork.
You can probably have a mostly vegan + eggs/diary diet and be healthier than 99% of the people you cross on the street.

>>512307969 (OP)
hemp and pea protein have lysine in them. They're retarded for eating shit without it. Blueprint longevity protein literally relies heavily on pea protein because of its high concentration

>>512309274
Mongols had diarrhea 24/7 from the fermented horse milk

the headline is so fucking stupid it's just a complete lie meant to scare people to click when in reality it's not a knock against vegans it's a knock against retarded vegans but that headline is crafted to draw as many people in as possible for the subject matter rather than being truthful

>>512310490
Fermentation breaks down lactose

>>512310490
fermented foods are a recommended treatment for IBS tho, and basically for any food allergy fermenting subverts it.

>>512307969 (OP)
I always stop 2 weeks in because without substantial amounts of olive oil on my starches I can't shit ans then I get dehydrated and my teeth hurt. Longer term damage? No thanks.

I don't even understand why they think cutting meat does something more healthful that cutting fat does not. I doubt that they fo either except to make some correlative claim that meat eaters tend to eat more tubs of butter in a single sitting than plantfags.

Planet of the memedrones.

>>512307969 (OP)
I eat meat and vegetables therefore Im not gay nor fat

>>512310538
Vaud fag

>>512310271
if you don't eat meat, you end up like asians and indians; short, weak, frail.

>vegans bad

Lose weight, fattie.
Vegan chicks have the best skin and smell the best. Cope seethe and dilate.
I don't advocate to be vegan for men all the time , but veganism for some months is very beneficial to get your health in order and lose weight.

>>512310490
Imagine beating down vegans while spraying diarrhea out of ass. Must've been kino

>>512310700
Well I read it somewhere on the internet so it must be true

>>512310490
I drink fermented cow milk aka kefir and never have any problems with stomach. I think you spread bullshit.

>>512310842
Understandable in past centuries, where food availability and variety was tiny and most people were dirt poor. With greenhouses, hydroponics, global trade, hybrids, pesticides, etc. you can get a huge variety of non-animal products that will provide just about anything you need. Even if it wasn't the case, a few eggs a week would compensate it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHVdvny9kbs

I'm not vegan or vegetarian myself. I eat meat, fish, crustaceans, eggs, butter, etc but I do because of the pleasure. There's no need.

>want to jack up beef prices

>HURR MUH STUDY SAYS PLANT ISNT DAT WORF IT

>>512307969 (OP)
Veganism was never about helth.
Its about being holier than thou.
Thats also why they NEED vegan restaurants instead of esting the vegan option at a normal one.

>>512308905
So eggs and what??

>>512308584
Im poor and buy the leftover bags at the grocery store, theres never any eggs in it

>>512307969 (OP)
Most vegans claim they do it for moral reasons as a cover for their eating disorders. Never seen a vegan that's mentally well

>>512311468
Mongols ruled over so much land that is still not inhabited, btw they made some jewkrainians flee to europe and they brought the black death.
Once again the root cause of europes problems werent rats or gain of function research it was
>DER AUSLÄNDER!!

>>512311754
Ground beef.
The fatter and slightly cheaper ground beef is okay too.
Remember to suck the tallow up with a slice of bread. Toast it in the frying pan. You can thank me later.

>>512307969 (OP)
quarterly fake shill garbage from the animal ag industry ("new zealand" alone should ring the alarm bell)
it's an iq test, the ones that keep falling for this garbage are retards

>>512312059
>btw they made some jewkrainians flee to europe and they brought the black death.
To clarify the jewkrainians had the plague and brought it to europe by fleeing from the mongols

>>512312062
>You can thank me later.
I will, once i win the lottery and can afford meat again

>>512307969 (OP)
>Leucine
https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-Pure-L-Leucine-Powder-Grams/dp/B01BCNGPCU/
>Lysine
https://www.amazon.com/Nutricost-L-Lysine-Powder-1KG-2-2lbs/dp/B079J33VZW/

>>512308905
lots of sulfur which depletes the body of nutrients required to detox it, otherwise it causes overactive nerves in postural related muscles (particularly the upper back) and mental stress and brain fog
many people already have this sulfur toxicity problem due to dietary and lifestyle deficits, but also have many other problems, for one most people need more choline which eggs are one of the richest sources of

>>512312194
Ground beef is pretty inexpensive if you make sure to eat the fat that comes out of it when frying. It will last a couple of days in the refrigerator so you don't have to eat it all in one go.
Anyay, it fills you up and kills your hunger. You will feel your stomach empty but have no desire to eat.

>>512312644
beef fat is one of the healthiest fats up there with very high quality raw olive oil, coconut oil, cocoa butter, avocados...
but particularly for frying, beef fat is second to none, it makes fried foods into health foods

>>512307969 (OP)
All researchers in NZ were subjected to vaxx mandates, in other words only the retarded and the corrupt remain

>>512307969 (OP)
Former vegan here, we’ve known that vegan diets are shifty for a long time now.
I gave it up when I kept getting sick 5-6x/year and would feel like shot for 2 months or more. Ate meat again, blood work improved, rarely have been sick since stopping being a faggyvegan.
Turns out, I can’t convert D2 to D3, and since vegan D3 is never used in foods, my levels were near zero hence my being sick all the time for 10 years.
I’m curious to see the future studies on vegan kids who were raised with no DHA/EPA to improve and grow cognitive function, I’m sure those who were raised vegan are gonna be fucked later in life because vegans are retarded.

>>512308910
plant agriculture kills more animals than animal agriculture

>>512310490
SHITTIN on you nighuhz like my name was ralph mcjurgen

That is summer

>>512310355
which plant has vitamin B-12 which you die without?

>>512313197
Thats cap. Its absolute cap. There are plenty of people that state the complete opposite "becoming vegan solved my ailments". There are elite athletes and teams that are vegan. Nutritionally its absolutely doable.

Pescatarian master race

I use nutritional yeast, drink milk, and eat eggs, too

>>512308234
I’ve said that here for years.
Vegans who think they’re “saving the planet” by purchasing fake meats made with ingredients that were harvested, processed, packaged, trucked, warehoused, shipped internationally, re-shipped domestically, re-processed, re-packaged, re-trucked to distribution, re-trucked to retailers, then purchased by the vegan itself are delusional in how much fucking pollution is created for their shit.
It’s tragic watching these vegans break mentally when they realize eating meat from your own country is far less environmentally damaging to the planet.

>>512310935
It would be a gay German to say this faggotry.

>>512313550
My brand of nutritional yeast has b-12

>>512308584
just eat greek yogurt

>>512313699
>There are elite athletes and teams that are vegan
no. there are athletes who say they are vegan for social media clout

>>512308905
wtf are you talking about? Eggs are the best you can get in a single food. They have all essential amino acids. The protein is highly biological, plus vitamins, omega 3. It's almost a complete meal.

>>512313891
you're eating synthetic b12 made by a pharmaceutical company and sprayed onto your food product lmao

>>512313699
Nigger, if vegan foods lack vitamin D or only use D2 and a person can’t convert it in their body, veganism will make them sick forever. I wasted 10 years on my moral highgrounding, and I’ve been much healthier since.
I get that vegans are terrified of facts, but you should be less gay. My denial of reality fucked my health up, if you wanna eat shitty fake meats, be my guest, but that shit is lame and gross.

>>512307969 (OP)
Complete protein knowledge is pretty basic. Rice and beans 1:1. There.

Don't have to compete with roundworms in your brain either. That's you vs the entire factory farming system. You're not winning that. Welcome to crazytown in that case.

>>512308584
Everyone knows this. Human did not evolve to eat solely vegetables and fruit, animal protein is completely necessary for our normal function. Vegans developed their diet based on philosophy not biology which turns out to be a stupid idea.

>>512314169
Nutritionally, its possible. So the fact you got sick trying to be vegan, suggests you're retarded

>>512307969 (OP)
The vegan diet could not exist without high speed transport, large scale refrigeration and supplement manufacturers.

>>512307969 (OP)
Most vegans think spring rolls and lab grown tendies are healthy

>>512314252
You're just spewing nonsense, over and over. Every meme in the book, you're dumping them. You're retarded. You'll be onto anti nutrients next

>>512313775
Most vegans I've meet have some religious level belief that being vegan is just morale better, they don't consider for a second about the animals killed by the farms or industrial process of harvesting the plants.

V33ganism is a Freemasonic/Kike hoax. The natural diet of humanity is raw meat. Eat liver every day and you will become 100x healthier.

>>512313699
By the way, no elite athlete became elite while vegan, all were previously top level and veganism became a new way for PR, but most leave it quickly as well. Okay, I’ll accept there are a few distance runners who have been elite and vegan for ages, but no such explosive athletes exist. Veganism works only for ultramarathon runners who shit themsrlves in fits of deleriumwhen they’re 80 miles in, but nobody doing anything requiring fast skill / high strength built their shit exclusively on plants to a high level.
In fact, there are people like Patrick Boumanian who was a strong as fuck lifelong vegetarian, he went vegan, and his athletic performance fell off and he racked up major injuries he hadn’t dealt with before. Veganism killed his strongman career, too bad for him.

>>512313775
Aaand what is done for meat and fucking fish? Meat is shipped all over the world and processed to hell and back. Milk powder is put into everything because it's cheap. How is the powder put into everything? Processing. Most fish is taken to China to get packaged. And don't act like most vegan shit isn't tofu. Fuck you meat factory stealth marketers. I know you don't buy your steaks from local. You buy the cheapest brazillian salt watered shit.

everything leftists jerk off to keeps getting proven wrong the more time goes on

Its like they are a bunch of retards
big surprise

>>512314417
What the fuck are you talking about? Did you know Hitler was vegan?

>>512314361
The bong is this retarded he doesn’t get simple facts.
I truly see how veganism destroyed simple cognitive abilities for you.
I kept with it for fake ethical reasons, but even those weren’t enough. And veganism was not possible for me without being dependent on massive amounts of overpriced supplements to fill what the diet failed me on. Vegan D3 costs about 10x as much as regular lanolin based D3, so nah, not interested in spending $40/month to get something I get free in meat and eggs.
But you enjoy your Beyond Burger, nigger.

>>512314637
>Patrick Boumanian
Performance decline can be attributed to a multitude of factors. Saying it was his diet is a shot in the dark

>>512314889
I know you're retarded. But when you fail at something that is possible, its on you. I don't care if you're a brokie and retarded, so couldnt follow a specialized diet properly.

>>512314645
I buy all local,y, because I live in a farming state. I can drive 5 minutes to where all my beef is raised, 14 to where I get my pork, chicken and ducks. All are roaming free, I can see what they’re fed, and all the farms are organic family-run.
You’re just poor, and have to buy shot meat. I’m old and have enough that I can buy the good stuff.
Sucks to be you, at least I know my food source, you’re eating mystery shit and are angry that you can’t do better in life. Must suck to be where you are, cuz you can eat like a king where I am.

>>512313891
That means it's fortified bro

>>512314969
I’m sure it was pure coincidence as soon as he went vegan, he stopped placing and kept doing worse, right?
Anything to not have to question your diet, eh? Kek.

>>512307969 (OP)
No shit. Every science food is eventually proven to be bad for you, every pop science dietary trend is eventually debonked. Nutrition and healthy eating is so easy it's ludicrous, you just eat real food.
>b b b but what about my pedantic breakdown of your use of the word 'real'?
ngmi fatty

>>512314462
Whatever faggot I know I'm right

>>512315104
>body can’t process cheap synthetic vitamin
>HURR DURR, you’re retarded says the bong
Wow, look at the brain power Nigel is showing here, folks! Kek, you vegans are such sore losers when -woolen point out the flaws.

>>512308830
No, vegans are the mentally ill, true believers of the death cult trying to wipe out humankind. No amount of information will change their beliefs. One of my dear friends was a vegan until after years of her body falling apart, her doctor ordered her to start eatin eggs and other animal proteins.

>>512309405
Can't get vitamin B-6 from plants and your body can not synthesize it. 100% of true vegans are B deficient.

>>512307969 (OP)
Every native tribe in the history of mankind instinctively knew that animal protein is superior to plants. Imagine believing that postmodern decadent neurotic urban hipsters happen to be wiser than all of humanity before them and not just suffer from an ascetic eating disorder misinterpreted as a virtue.

>>512314165
>>512315129
I’m fine with that. I’m a pescatarian so it’s not my primary source

>>512314509
>they don't consider for a second about the animals killed by the farms or industrial process of harvesting the plants.
vegans are fags but this is insane cope.

>>512315310
I'm not vegan. You're retarded and trying to play mental gymnastics. Nutritionally, its possible to be a perfectly healthy vegan. Anything you say outside of that, is irreverent. There is a solution to whatever horse shit you're spewing DeWayne. "Reeeeee synthetic" = Nobody is forcing you to consume it. "Reeeeee I was lacking" = couldnt afford it. So on and so forth. Its possible, wrap your fat black head around it

>>512315104
>when you fail at something that is possible, its on you.
Healthy veganism is not possible. You will take supplements made from animals and lie to yourself, or supplements made from genetically engineered bacteria. You'll also stick your head in the sand over the high cost in animal life of row and grain crops. The millions of birds, snakes, insects and small mammals killed to make your Beyond Burger would be too much cognitive dissonance and you would an hero.

>>512307969 (OP)
>Researchers in New Zealand analyzed the diets of nearly 200 long-term vegan
April 19 2025 OLD NEWS IS OLD

>>512315803
Where do you get your vitamin B-6?

>>512315984
>Healthy veganism is not possible
It is. We know it is. Whats more, you don't need to consume anything you're moaning about either to do it

I eat vegetarian once a week so my body processes meat even better.

Let them have at it, why does it bother you faggot snowflakes? You are just as fragile as blacks.

>>512316147
>eat vegetarian once a week so my body processes meat even better.
Is that really how it works??

>>512315676
you're fine with eating a dubious pharmaceutical product sprayed on your food

>>512316069
>For a typical 3-ounce (85g) serving, grilled round steak offers approximately 0.754 mg
>A one-cup (approximately 164-gram) serving of cooked chickpeas provides about 1.1 mg

I'm not going to spend all night answering your retarded nutritional questions. All you need to know is, its possible. I didnt say its easy or practical. Its possible

>>512315803
lmao the new vegan argument tactic is to pretend you're not a vegan since that tells everyone you're a faggot

>>512312551
or just eat onions you know, a complete protein, fully digestible and bio-available and complete with both of those

>>512315760
what's the cope? Industrial farms kill tens of thousand of animals a year

>>512316426
I mean we're on pol, its not like we've got any pride or dignity to protect is it. I'm not vegan. You'll just have to live with that and being polish

>>512314684
The only thing that the study proves is that many vegans diet based on vibes and avoid eating most nutritious plant foods.
Veganism is not for those who won't research it, stay away from it if you're adverse to being corrected, reading articles and books.

>>512313748
Based heavy metals enjoyer.

>>512308234
Vegetarians are more based than vegans. A lot of animal products can be consumed directly out of the animal with minimal processing (eggs, milk, honey) and they also preserve well due (eggs are literally alive, milk becomes cheese, etc).
Butchering an animal takes far more processing. Meanwhile, vegantards can't even survive without supplements.
The best way to live is to just not eat processed things. That means no factory farmed meat or animal products. In such a case, being vegetarian most of the time will happen simply out of convenience (as killing and butchering an animal without a factory isn't as easy as just collecting chicken eggs or milking a cow.)

>>512312122
I wonder if they cheery picked vegans from the poorest communities and only those that looked clueless lmao. ANyway the point stands that a vegan diet shouldn't be done randomly.