Why would I leave a paper trail and tell the government that I own a gun and then pay them for a permit to have it even though if I use it in any circumstance whatsoever i go to prison and my family gets destroyed? Why not just buy one illegally, use it illegally, and dispose of it illegally? Then repeat. I wouldn't just know where to get one off the street but in principle youre basically telling on yourself when you buy a gun legally.

Getting professionally made guns is nice.

>>512334820 (OP)
There's nothing illegal about buying a gun from a private individual.

>>512334820 (OP)
Permits are not a thing in the US, dumb dumb.
But you can always buy one second hand from someone else or 3D print one for your own use if you want.

>>512335255
FFL

>>512335291
the government officially deletes the data after a certain period of time (less than a month)

unoffically, who knows?

still we can jus 3d print lowers or buy guns from a guy you met on the internet in a wal mart parking lot

>>512335356
>unoffically, who knows?
every packet is duplicated

>>512335356
No, guns that require an FFL are actually registered in perpetuity. The only reason this was deemed legal was because it is a tax.

>>512335463
No way in hell they dont have lists of who has bought what, police will know if you have a concealed carry in MN for example iirc

Why own a gun when you can call the police and they arrive after the emergency has already over...

>>512335255
ive always wanted a 3d printer, do you still need thousands of dollars for a good one?

>>512335291
>FFL
What? No. In most of the states private transfers do no require an FFL. You literally meet in a parking lotm, and trade for cash or other guns. Totally legal. And there is a huge and active private market. I almost never buy through an FFL.
https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/classifieds/?state=GA

>>512335687
Go buy yourself a post 1986 machine gun. I'll wait.

>and tell the government that I own a gun
This is the actual gun I bought and picked up at the FFL. Doesn't look super scary to me.

>>512335613
I don't have one. I believe you can get one capable of making a FGC-9 for $350ish.

>>512334820 (OP)
Idk it's a moral conundrum bro.

>>512335613
An ender 3 can make a gun and that's obsolete trash you can get for basically free.

>>512334820 (OP)
Get a weapon no matter what. Doesn't matter how. You wanna live right?

>>512334820 (OP)
because illegal guns have bodies on them usually. Or stolen. you do you boo boo

>>512334820 (OP)
Because the most likely (non hunting/sporting) use for my guns is self- or home defense and I want everything to be as buttoned up as possible in that situation because otherwise some dipshit DA might put me in prison on gun charges for an otherwise clear-cut legal defense case.

No comment on whether I may or may not ALSO own guns the government doesn't know about.

>>512335732
>OH NO MR.RAJEET SAID HES GOING TO DO THE NEEDFUL WAITING OH NO SAARS

>>512335291
>>512335522
>no gun leaf trys to teach americans about gun laws
you are retarded

>>512337129
I'll also add, btw, that my state doesn't have a firearm registry, legally they're not supposed to know what I own. The fucktards in the one big blue city have unfortunately passed a purchase permit law but it's not in effect pending court action that'll hopefully kill it.

Holy noguns

>>512335522
What are you talking aboot, eh?

>>512337303
You only have to get permits/licenses for pistols and that is a county or city law which usually results in the retarded blue county or city being sued and removed after so many years.

Also, there are plenty of agency's like the NRA that will fight for you, for free, if some dipshit DA tries you.

>>512335543
getting a concealed carry permit is not the same as buying a gun. Some retarded states like jew york require you to have a CCW in order to buy a gun, but most red states don't require shit. Just a standard background check.

Now if you do own a CCW, then in many cases you can just skip the background check and walk out of a gunstore with your gun that same day, cash purchase. The gunstore still writes down who they sold guns too, but they keep the records, not the ATF. And they are only supposed to hold onto them for 7 years or someshit like that.

>>512335732
>he still ignores the 3d printer

>>512334820 (OP)
Why do anything lawfully then

>>512337255
I probably own more guns than you do, lol.
You need a license for a post sample.

>>512337666
Ok, satan.

>>512337685
>he doesn’t know about super safeties
Can you carry those guns, though?

>>512337666
>Oh judge, what good are your laws? Bad people don't follow them and the good people don't need them!

>>512337685
>leaf doesn't know about 40% lowers
>leaf doesn't know you can buy a pre-made lower and then an upper individually, without a background check, and put them together
You might have ol' grand pappys bolt action hunting rifle but you don't have to lie to us about owning guns and knowing American gun laws.

>>512335356
most obvious lie i've ever seen on this site in 10 years

gunsmithing is legal and the lower receiver, the only serialized part of an AR platform firearm, is entirely possible to manufacture on your own

>>512337746
That's not a machine gun. The super safety is so safe that it puts the gun on safe between each round. I'm a stickler for firearm safety and even I don't swap my safety on between every shot.
Hoffman is very safety minded and very based.

>>512337844
Actually, half my guns are NFA items in the US.

>>512337926
Glad to know the government knows everything you own like the good npc goyim you are.

>>512336234
Oh well. Much more likely to not go to jail this way.

>>512337878
Yeah, it isn’t a machine gun, *wink* *wink*.

>>512337510
The law here (Oregon) will make you take a class and pay a few hundred bucks for a permit and then wait 30 days to buy any gun at all, if it kicks in, and it's statewide unfortunately. It barely passed to begin with (like 50.1%) and that was only because of really misleading PR, it's tremendously unpopular in recent polling now that people know how much of a shitshow it is. Oh, and it also bans mags over 10, including for CCW even if you already owned them before the law. It almost kicked in earlier this year with none of the stuff to make it work in place and would've run pretty much every gun store in the state out of business during the months where nobody could buy guns while the permit thing was figured out but fortunately it got blocked again.

As for the NRA stuff, sure, but you might be sitting on your ass in prison for years while they fight it, with no guarantee they'll win. It's also one thing if it's a homemade gun but an actual illegal street gun with murders on it or a theft report and you're gonna be fucked no matter what.

>>512337129
Retards like you assume the legal system will work for them in any case. This is why youre retarded.

>>512338044
It objectively isn't. Each round is fired with its own independent trigger pull.

>>512338070
There are an estimated 250k legit self-defense cases a year in the US on average and almost none of them result in prosecutions, or make the news. There's like a 99.9% chance you'll get off fine, maybe even keep your guns, if you're not actually doing anything wrong. I'd rather not reduce that chance.

>>512338066
>Oregon
You live in one of the few cuck states, unfortunately. Why can't you buy a gun (if you want to be on the list) from another state and just bring it back or do a private transaction over state lines since it only pertains to transactions in the state of Oregon? I'm personally not talking about buying fully built guns from niggers, even though the leaf thinks each one of 50 states has the same gun laws, but the other way.

>>512334820 (OP)
ITT gun fags pretend that feds don't know about their legal guns because they told them they don't keep their records.

>>512338582
It's not bad right now, no registration or records of who buys what, just the same federally-mandated check every state has and I get to take my guns home same day, sometimes immediately if the queue happens to be short at the time. The Portland faggots are trying as hard as they can to fill in the gap between CA and WA though. I'm probably gonna move out of state in a couple of years anyway, I'm just here because my parents are and hopefully they'll be able to deal with shit on their own by then.

>>512339030
Yeah, I did a quick google on what you said about Oregon and it even said you had to give your friend a background check if he was to borrow your hunting rifle during a hunting trip. That's giga cucked.
Honestly, I don't want to be on a gun owner list because those are the first doors every real police state knocks on and confiscates.

>>512338990
>ITT gun fags pretend that feds don't know about their legal guns because they told them they don't keep their records.
Even in California, forcing every gun transfer to go through a FFL holder is fairly recent.

>>512334820 (OP)
Hi vlad your vpn is shit and I fucked your wife.
>paper trail
>permit
Fucking larper.

>>512339259
>you had to give your friend a background check if he was to borrow your hunting rifle during a hunting trip.
Actually that's specifically a situation where you don't have to do it. You can loan somebody a gun for hunting or sport shooting unless you have reason to believe they can't legally own one, you're just not allowed to let them keep it long-term.

As I said before there's also legally NOT a list, though I'm not sure how much I trust that. At the same time though, if they're going to that point, they're just as likely to start demanding sales records etc. and going after anybody who's ever bought ammo, any gun part, a scope, or anything so unless you manage to obtain everything without ever using a debit/credit card or anything you might be just as screwed. FWIW you can also have a mix of guns bought the normal way and (legally obtained) ones that didn't go through the government, and just stash those somewhere if it comes down to it, might even be a better option since it'd give you a smokescreen if they get really invasive and start chasing ammo sales etc.

>>512339692
>it'd give you a smokescreen
When you think it's a good time to bury guns, it's actually time to dig those guns up.

>>512339692
There is a list, especially post-patriot act, and buying ammo doesn't mean you own a firearm. Just like buying gas doesn't mean you own a car. Also, cash is king.

>>512334820 (OP)
you know very well that the only guns you ever need are the ones buried in your backyard which were lost during a boating accident

>>512340047
did mel gibson have guns lying around in the patriot? no he didn't he got them in his hidden revenge chest which will only get opened during extreme circumstances

>>512340216
>he got them in his hidden revenge chest which will only get opened during extreme circumstances
A printed copy of the luty instruction book or a rough description of a four winds shotgun will also do. Getting rid of all 9mm and 12ga cartridges will be more difficult than getting rid of all traceable guns.

>>512340420
The Luty is antiquated shit. Printers exist now.

>>512335218
Upvoter.

>>512340047
>family gets raped and murdered by home invading niggers because your only guns are buried in the back yard

>>512341058
>The Luty is antiquated shit. Printers exist now.
Luty covers barrel making but whatever. You can also make a laminate ar receiver out of steel plates and screws or you can carve the same receiver out of a wood 2x4. Or you can check out the shovel ak. Plenty of old and new ways to do the same thing. Point being, guns don't stop existing because laws can be written.

>>512341408
Luty barrels are smooth bore. FGC-9 is rifled using ECM.

>>512341408
Yep.

>well you can keep a revolver under a removable floorboard if you fear the black man so much. how would they even get in without breaking the door down? are you living in a shed

>>512341476
>ECM
Etching is one way. There are others. Nice to have choices.

>>512334820 (OP)
Obtain them legally so as not to give the feds an excuse to arrest you unnecessarily.
In any case, once the system collapses and the monopoly on violence is lost, such records will become almost meaningless.
Even if you intend to use a gun to assassinate politicians or something, if you have no intention of fleeing from the start, you can use a legal and relatively reliable gun.
Don't expect to be able to escape after targeting a high-value target. Instead, approach it as a suicide mission, which will eliminate the need to worry about securing an escape route and other difficult problems, making it easier to succeed.

>>512338490
Uh, sure. Also, I like how you didn’t address the fact you can’t carry your guns.

>>512334820 (OP)
You can legally obtain guns without a paper trail. Use your White brain anon.

>>512336007
That was actually pretty effective usage, much better than I would have guessed. That former future astronaut in the orange shorts looks like he got hit in the spine and will most likely not be walking ever again.