Thread 512356044

Once the planet been destroyed
Once AI takes all the jobs
Once civil war breaks out everywhere

The conclusion will be

A planned economy.

14 more days

>everything good in life must be planned thoroughly
>but not the economy there you need anarchy!!
never understood this logic

>>512356044 (OP)
Get off 4chan, go to bed, stay in school.

>>512356044 (OP)
WHAT IF BILL GATES JUST RELEASES THE PERFECT VAXX

Nah, commies never win! We all die, but that's better anyway.

You see anon, commies like to appropriate things and pretend they are communism, like natural abundance and development and equal rights and responsibilities... and spreading abundance ect... logic, they love to appropriate stuff and hide behind good words and their deeds and systems are a Nightmare of horror, terror, lies or delusions, or both, and tragedy amplified.

Marxism is a religion.

>>512356141
How well has it worked out for you guys, Vlad?

>>512356141
>i need the government to ban blue jeans so we can be the vanguard of the people's workers democratic repulic front of socialism or something
never understood this logic

>>512356044 (OP)
We will carve your cancer off the face of this world and every other world, you degenerate bugperson.

>>512356044 (OP)
I can support any system that doesn't rely on an endless stream of jeets. It will never happen though. There is a reason communism is pretty much dead today

>>512356044 (OP)
replace that hammer with a sword... and we're there.

>>512356044 (OP)
replace that sickle with a sword... and we're there.

>>512356225
good, we eradicated homelessness, illiteracy, infant mortality, pioneered space and much more.

>>512356244
>I need my heggin $500 lewis so I will move manufacturing to china and india and become homeless because there's no jobs

Never understood this logic

>>512356044 (OP)

Do you know that communism has failed evrrywhere it has been applied? Stupid faggot.

>>512356596

Worldwide communism would actually ensure that everyone wants to stay home

>>512356044 (OP)
I just want a monarchy with 500 million whites living in peace and exploring space and the deep sea anons.
This would be the perfect dystopia and you cant change my mind.

>>512356223

No its not because religion is idealist

Marxism is a science beased on materialism

>>512356044 (OP)
>lets try communism one more time
>it will work this time trust me bro

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism wont be a bunch of leftist faggots with blue hair and nose rings if its ever successful.

>>512357078

if its another third world shithole, i won't support it and it will fail

>>512356244
>>512356704
Both communism and american capitalism in inhumane practices that aim to eradicate free people and replace them we more 'efficient' slaves.
Basically, both systems have the values of abrahamic religions where this world must consist of lots of goyims and do as their masters see fit. Every nation, that embraced such ideology, got ruined in the process, because nations cannot consist of slaves.

>>512356855
Marx had ideals.

>>512357541

He based it on materialistic conditions. Post modernism, religion etc. do not

>>512356044 (OP)
It already is.

>>512356831
Monarchs rarely care what color of skin their peons are. You basically has exactly that, only your monarchs decided it's easier to have brown peons from the third world instead of pandering to 'entitled' whites. They even say it all the time openly, whites demand too much, brown people are better, they settle for less shit. They are better peons for elites. So enjoy your fabled dystopia.

>>512356044 (OP)
The same worldwide mad deadly Communist gangster computer god that controls YOU as a terrorized Gangster Frankenstein Earphone Radio slave! Parroting Puppet, you are a terrorized member of the "MASTER RACE" worldwide 4 BILLION eye-sight television camera guinea pig Communist Gangster Computer God MASTER RACE! You're LIVING, THINKING mad, deadly worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God SECRET OVERALL PLAN: WORLDWIDE LIVING DEATH FRANKENSTEIN SLAVERY to explore and control the ENTIRE UNIVERSE with the endless "STAIRWAY TO THE STARS" - namely the manmade inside-out planets with nucleonic powered speeds MUCH faster than the speed of light! Look up and see the Gangster Computer God concocted NEW FAKE STARRY SKY!

>>512358028
N O T
E V E N
N U M E R A L S

Communism requires zero immigrants for cheap labor

>>512357496
i propose we do socialism with cybernetics
that worked so fucking good the CIA had to wipe the computers and pretend it never happened

>>512358028
It's too early for this shit vlad

>>512356044 (OP)
well, the economy is already centrally planned... by capitalists

>>512356044 (OP)
>>512356141
>>512356704
>>512356831
>>512356855
>>512358238
Fuck off kike

>>512358550
fantasy land
utter fantasy land
the entire image you are worshiping is christcuck noahide being shoved down your throat. as a nationalistic socialist myself you ought to wake up

>>512358550
you know "globalists" are just the ruling capitalist class, right? you know that they already control the world's economy, right? as if arguing about them now is proof they haven't done it already?

read karl marx, jackape

>>512356044 (OP)
>Be capitalist
>Opposition either starves to death or kills its own people
>Do nothing
>Win
Too easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZpKy1b4ttk
No retard, there will be warlords and they will become come the Next Kings or President. because Much like right now; current year: you have no say, you won't do shit, and even if the local Warlord makes a commie kangdom, You useless retards were already long dead or you get to be slave niggers.

>>512356044 (OP)
You cant centrally plan anything without it being an utter failure. Times are always changing, supply and demand always changes.

If you really could centrally plan everything like a god, then you also could singlehandedly dominate the stock market. You cant. Communism leads to death

>>512359785
>You cant centrally plan anything without it being an utter failure
So you oppose all private business. Wierd.

>>512356044 (OP)
It won't because resources aren't unlimited

>>512356044 (OP)
We're living in communism now.

>>512356044 (OP)
Communists will be executed in America soon

>>512356141
>never understood this logic
>and the story of USSR taught me nothing
>because I'm a dumb pidor

>>512356044 (OP)
We already have that and why it's being destroyed.

>>512356855
>No its not because religion is idealist
>Marxism is a science beased on materialism
You're retarded.
Marxism/Communism is an ideology.
It is probably one of the most idealist of ideologies.
Why? Because it completely disregards human nature and the laws of nature.
It assumes people are perfect by default, especially perfectly equal, perfectly motivated, altruistic and will interact perfectly with each other.
So yeah, your ideology absolutely is idealistic
Don't Commies talk about their faggot Utopia all the damn time?
You can't talk about bringing upon a Communist Utopia and be idealistic.
Be fucking real.

>>512359906
>Because it completely disregards human nature and the laws of nature.
ding ding, give this baguette a medal for he is right
also, commies get pic related

>>512356044 (OP)
>Once the planet been destroyed

this realm has frozen solid down to the sea floor once before.

we live in a simulated realm, our bodies are the avatars we use to transit through the simulacrum.

it reboots in 2178, the simulation runs for 7344 years, the monument of man in the raised lands is 7344 inches tall in its entirety.

the god of this realm is el shaddai but we are all tethered to the Oversoul, an entity beyond our current ability to comprehend, our avatars are limited to the 5 senses, from the time we are born the medical jews inject us with poisons to dull us further.

communism is kikery, judaism is part of the collective script. in that sense they have been chosen, some as parasites, the rest as patsies.

if you have empathy, intuition, imagination and a sense of humour, breathe easy, you didn't get that way by accident.

>>512359906
There is a reason why Xi acknowledges that the plans are a century long. He is systemically breeding it into the DNA of the Chinese people. He is eradicating the individualism of the Chinese. This is a good thing objectively. They function as a sort of hivemind.

Yes, human nature exists. The state (ideally a mostly benevolent and automatic with the assistance of technology) one is there to enforce the ideal marxist paradigm.

>>512356141
you can't predict what happens tomorrow, you gimp
how can you plan anything for the millions of other people?

>>512356044 (OP)
More likely to be socialistic capitalism

>>512360024
>retarded communist noises
you are not getting free food and a free house to sit in and play vidya and fap all day

>>512359968
karl marx isn't jewish. his father never practiced it, marx never practiced it. you're retarded

>>512360091
Oh if only you knew retard

>>512360116
>thinks the welfare he leeches today will last his lifetime
Oh if only you knew retard

>>512359810
For example your personal decisions to buy or not to buy something is peivate. There is no state that can know what you yourself personally want. Nobody is mniscient.

>>512360140
If not? Stay in hospital until death. Refuse to pay taxes. Simple.

>>512360165
great life plan, I hope you implement it ASAP

>>512356044 (OP)
Have you cut off your dick off already, comrade?
No? Why not?
Do you want whitey to propagate the class oppression?

>>512360186
Comrade Putin will hopefully return you to the socialist republic soon

>>512356044 (OP)
Fuck off Golem #6

>>512360228
I still have about two weeks to escape

>>512360155
Private businesses centrally plan

>>512360314
calling germany to drop 300 more trucks of migrants on your border btw

>>512360366
>trucks of migrants on your border
more like a couple police minivans with 4 people each that get turn and run when spotted lmao

>>512360348
They only plan their own private property. If they are successful they get the chance to become bigger. If they are unsuccessful or overly wasteful they shrink. It is a kind of natural selection and ecosystem.

If a politician is inefficient they just tax you more. They have no real skin in the game.

>>512356044 (OP)
>cummunism belive that everyone is a perfect clone
>In the end communism will win

you are retarded

>>512359906

even taking human nature in account, marxism is just common sense. you want everyone to live as good of a life as possible, hell even the people you don't like, because then they leave you alone and won't beg you for shit.
Problems that then do arise can be analyzed in dialectical and pragmatic way through planning and not be followed through an absurd and destructive profit motive that is purely idealist and nonsensical.

>>512360348
No one in business talks about plans. They use stretchy as no plan survives contact with the competition.

>>512356044 (OP)
Sorry bro, but peak communism already came and gone before you were born.

Nobodies come up with a communist system that beats out a free market because prices contain so much information that a centrally planned economy cannot factor in

frank zappa said it best: "communism will never work because people like owning things". to abolish private property, you have you have to do is kill anyone willing to die for their property, which is a significant demographic. that done, you won't be left with a nation of like mined individuals, you'll be left with a populace too scared to speak against you. communism can only exist with totalitarian enforcement, and people can only tolerate that for so long.

>>512360660
Get your hands out of my pockets, you begging welfare parasite nigger. Go work for what you want like everyone else who has discipline and drive instead of standing around with your hand out for gibs. Fuck you, Commie faggot.

>>512360024
First off, China barely even qualifies as communist. They have a mostly market economy,
not a planned economy. They're just very authoritarian outside of that.
Secondly, they can condition the chinese populace all they want, in the end, life is a struggle to survive and even thrive.
You can try to erase their individualism and force collectivization, but when it comes down to it, people will not sacrifice themselves for the betterment of others.
This was perfectly exemplified under Mao, when they collectivized the food.
Food would be delivered periodically at your local public kitchen, and the chinese people would essentially gorge themselves with food as much as they could, and continue to eat as much as physcially possible, until there was no more food left, and starve until the next food delivery.
There was more than enough food to last for the whole period, but these supposedly "collectivized" communist people didn't trust each other to eat reasonable amounts of food, so they just took as much as possible for themselves as fast as possible so that they wouldn't be lef behind when the food eventually runs out.
That's Collectivism for you.
No matter how much collectivism you achieve, survival is more of an individual effort rather than a group effort.
They don't call it Survival of the Fitest for no reason.

>>512356044 (OP)
It didn't win in any country where it was imposed. It failed time and time again.
I know this is a bait thread, still, there are people who believe in this shit.
All countries that "chose" communism were either decent nations that got completely ruined or third world countries that got even worse...
Just create a different economic/politic ideology.

>>512361051

few people actually own things. your bank owns your mortgage, nobody cares about your toothbrush

>>512361051
Communism doesn't work because communists don't work either.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-GNzuGnz2EA

>>512356044 (OP)
A planned economy is not communism

>>512360786
>stretchy
You're gay

>>512360660
>even taking human nature in account, marxism is just common sense
No. It's the opposite of common sense.
It's Utopian.
Please open a disctionary once in a while.
It might sound like the common sense empathic thing to do, but it really isn't when you actually understand human nature.
You're probably from a privileged background and also probably never had a paycheck / not had one yet, so you don't realize what it would be like to put a lot of effort into working just to recieve the same exact salary/reward as someone who simply doesn't work / is lazy and is still given the same amount as you because "muh equity!".

>you want everyone to live as good of a life as possible
No. Fallacy.
Your oversimplified idealistic brain is leading you astray again.
You/I want the people who deserve it to live as good as life as possible.
Those who don't deserve to live the best life shouldn't.
It's called meritocracy and that's what runs the world.
The World runs on Meritocracy.
That's the exact thing you're trying to destroy, with Communism, which is why communism doesn't work.

I'll show exactly what the fallacy of Communism is, so let's do a quick thought experiment :
If there was to be a planned communist economy, how exactly would you reward people's efforts? Would you reward people's productivity, talent and skills at all?
If you do, then it's not really communism / equity.
If you don't, the whole system becomes dysfuntional and collapses.
For example : Why would I do a job that is difficult if I can do an easier job that pays the same?
Why would I do a job that is physically exhausting, dangerous, outside in the cold, rain and snow, if I could just get the same pay with a cushy office job?

See, it makes no sense.
No one works hard when there is no incentive to work hard.
This is exactly why planned communist economies always have to force some sort of quota system just to ensure that people actually do shit at their job.

cont.

>>512361359

Lets reverse that shit and make most countries socialist and the minority isolationist capitalist. That dont work either

Communism died the day the German Revolution failed.

Stalinist shit is gay and fake

>>512361544
The problem with marxism is not that it's utopian. Marx assumed that people are economic animals on the most fundamental level. He was wrong. Humans are a religious animal. Mao and stalin knew this and made themselves into gods.

>>512360660
>>512361544
small cont.

And that quota system doesn't really work at all, because it's punitive rather than meritocratic.
In planned economies, you punish those that don't fill their quota.
This breeds a culture of complacency and doing the bare minimum to recieve pay.
Productivity goes down the drain and everybody works as little as is absolutely necessary.
No one wants to do hard or dangerous labor, because there's no reason to, since there is no pay increase, and there's every reason not to, because it's dangerous, or exhausting or just too stressful.

So you can claim "Marxism is just common sense" all you fucking want but that's objectively a lie.
Marxism is unatural, illogical and an extremely backwards way of doing things, since it supposes that we are perfect creatures living in a perfect world where everyone is perfectly altruistic and not actually just highly evolved animals trying their best to survive and thrive.

>>512361359
No country chose communism. The former repressive state apparatus was overthrown violently and replaced with an even more repressive state apparatus. Communism fails because it assumes the two dumbest 4chan/reddit premises: everyone but me is sheeple, while I am very smart.

>>512356141
>We need stability, Valodya.
>Fuck innovation and progress, we can stay afloat like in the 1960's and keep it that way.
>Just keep pumping same fucking cars, same fucking tractors, same fucking tech (Just innovate weapons, Valodya, we need to spread communism to third world, bratan. Cut no expense.)
>Keep same fucking old nomenklatura fags in office that have have dementia (they won't age and die obviously lmao)
>Just build more housing and pump more entertainment to the masses, they'll eat that shit up and shut up.
>Sell just oil, those arab madlads will never sell oil to capitalists anymore, we'll keep getting rich forever
>Also bri... oh fuck Valodya, i think i'm having a fucking stroke. Quick send men to Afghanistan to spread wonders of communism... oh fuck i'm drooling... if anything happens put Andropov or some other oldfag into my office, he probably won't die.
>Also bring me finest American scotch from Beryozka and Kolbaska that Petya stole from catering service. I wanna watch and laugh at footage of poor Vanya flying in black tulip from Afghan
>Future looks so fucking good and stable
Yeah, i think government planning everything didn't work out good even under Stalin, but who can tell? USSR is still prospering, right?

>>512361615
I can agree that Communism has a cult of personality similar to religion, but what the fuck does religion have to with the economic merits/downfalls of communism?
You're bringing religion into a discussion about economics, which I don't think is relevant.

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism lost, in a final way. The problems it was meant to solve were solved under capitalism. It is now just another solution looking for a problem. A tradeoff with no benefits.

>>512361544

even the soviet union did not have a 1:1 system. engineers earned 3:1 to a skilled worker etc. the equality is ensured to not get too far apart

and we do not live in a meritocracy. we live in a luck based system, based on instincts. its random. communism would also be random, but more fair because less people fall thorugh the grid

still in favour of markets (human nature and 10.000 years old), so i guess that makes me democratic socialist not purely socialist. so i dunno.

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism already did win

The USA fits all the criteria other than branding

>>512361975
In that case you're more marxist than me.

>>512362048
In communism the elite will have a very limited ability to rent seek.
In america that ability is very high.

>>512362046
>communism would also be random, but more fair because less people fall thorugh the grid
lol, lmao even
You think there are no oligarchs and nepotism in communist states? Who took over from Fidel?

>>512362048
Truth.
I'm tempted to walk through Communist Manifesto just to see what else will happen to us.

>>512362113
Retard.

>>512362046
>even the soviet union did not have a 1:1 system. engineers earned 3:1 to a skilled worker etc. the equality is ensured to not get too far apart
Sure but that still didn't work.
Tons of highly intelligent russians fled West because they had way better opportunities by immigrating to a western capitalist country than staying in the USSR.
This phenomenon was so sever that it still persists to this very day, well after the collapse of the soviet union.
The Human Capital Flight or brain-drain is still ongoing, because of the disastrous living conditions and economic opportunities in current day Russia.

The salary scale itself is not the only problem.
The lack of private property, the overall ban on amassing wealth / fortune and generalized oppression / lack of freedoms also participate to the overall misery of people, especially smart and skilled people.

>and we do not live in a meritocracy. we live in a luck based system
That's absolutely not true.
Luck or fate does play a role but you're way overstating its importance.
If you were right, there would be no social mobility, people would be stuck in the same spot they were born in, but that's not the case.
There is way more social mobiltiy in capitalist economies than communist ones.
>based on instincts. its random
False. Randomness has very little to no impact on our lives.
>communism would also be random, but more fair because less people fall thorugh the grid
That statement makes no sense at all and is purely commie word salad.
It sounds like a smart thing to say but is abolutely empty.
>still in favour of markets (human nature and 10.000 years old), so i guess that makes me democratic socialist not purely socialist. so i dunno.
If there is a market then by definition it's capitalist and not communist.

If you want a Social Democratic system, that's fine, but it's not Communism.
It's capitalism that's regulated and with wealth redistribution through welfare.
We do this in europe and it works, mostly.

>>512356044 (OP)
>Once AI takes all the jobs

Including communist politicians' jobs?

>>512362583
In communist countries there's no real estate market.

>>512356044 (OP)
>Having a planet
>Not just leaving it
>Not just unleashing the xenomorpths

>>512362068
>In that case you're more marxist than me.
LMAO what?
I've been arguing against Communism from the begining, on an economic level, and you come in to the discussion talking about God and get pissed when I don't engage?
I was just stating my opnion that I didn't think it was relevant to bring up God in a discussion about the economic merits of Communism.

I was still trying to state that I somewhat agree with your statement, that "humans are a religious animal" but I still think it's a bit off-topic here.

>>512362866
Kek! Btfo OP.
>oy vey, it's anti-semitic saying ayyys will replace communist politicians!

>>512362781
>Sure but that still didn't work.
>Tons of highly intelligent russians fled West because they had way better opportunities by immigrating to a western capitalist country than staying in the USSR.
>This phenomenon was so sever that it still persists to this very day, well after the collapse of the soviet union.
>The Human Capital Flight or brain-drain is still ongoing, because of the disastrous living conditions and economic opportunities in current day Russia.

I believe socialism would only work if its worldwide.

Markets or capitalism are still different to me. Capitalism is the art of making more money and nothing else.
Markets or economy are human made rules, the first economists came from ethical and moral philosophical backgrounds (Adam Smith).

Reforms to the welfare state are impossible these days, see left reformists like Bernie etc.
I would be okay with worldwide social democracy and market economy worldwide. But that won*t work because the welfare state depends on cheap leabour from the global south. Unless you think slave labour is natural to human beings.

>>512362866
I like it

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism has already lost you stupid fucking faggot loving nigger.

>>512362687
Thank you. Almost everything, or arguably everything is in place already.
Ad #7 and #9 - how was the Schwab's economic plan called? It was something about equitable corporations.

>>512362943
le sigh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking
please learn what these terms mean before posting

>>512356704
>we eradicated homelessness, illiteracy, infant mortality, pioneered space and much more.
But for some reason Russians started to die out during supposed peak of the USSR.
There are commie fairy tales and storefront achievements and there are dead Russians.

>>512363236
>I believe socialism would only work if its worldwide.
Dont you see the issue with your statement?
What I hear when you say that is "If the whole world was a prison, then there would be nowhere for the prisoners to escape to".
No, it still wouldn't work, you would just fuck up the whole entire planet.

>Capitalism is the art of making more money and nothing else.
Incorrect.
Market Capitalism is the logical and natural answer to the evolution of commerce.
"Capital" might seem like a mysterious evil entity to you, but for people who understand how life works, it's a necessary part of the economy because it's the investment of capital that creates the opportunity for the production of goods and services.
So in other words : How would you build a factory to produce things if you don't have any capital / money to invest?
You either have to have money already or need to take out a loan somehow.
With Communism/Socialism, all you've done is say that only the state can hold Capital and make investmenents.
And that's a problem because a communist government is extremely inneficient, due to being a monopoly.

So in the end, you tried to avoid what you called "The art of making more money and nothing else", but all you ended up doing is creating a monopoly by the government.

But then you also have the disconnect between the government who holds all of the country's capital and the people actually running the factories and businesses.
The guy who's put in charge of overseeing the success of the factory has a higher wage than the workers, but he still doesn't make more money in relation to the success of his factory, all that surplus value goes straight to the central communist government.
So no one is incentivized to work hard, not even the guy at the top who is officially running the factory or business.

cont.

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Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you

all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable

from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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https://www.gommies.gom/staRepublicansrve/

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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
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https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as

beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

>>512356141
China shows us all how it’s done

itt bunch of butthurt belters and hohols absolutely malding

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried. Kys

>>512364746
Oh no, a wild faggot escaped his containment thread.

>>512364746
Silence, zigger

>>512363236
>>512364313
small cont

So do you not understand what I'm trying to say?
Investing Capital = Risk.
You could lose all the money you invested if it fails.
Which is why Taking a risk with investing money into the economy needs to be balanced out via a reward.

No one will invest money into something they can't get a return on.
And we absolutely NEED capital.
It doesn't even matter if you're in a Capitalist or Communist country, in the end, wether it's private individual wealth or government wealth, you still need to invest money into the vast majority of businesses for them to succeed.

So you need Capital, wether you like it or not, because Capital = Investment, and investments are essential for the economy.

Do you get it now?
Do you understand that investments are inescapable?

>the first economists came from ethical and moral philosophical backgrounds (Adam Smith)
The system of Capitalism has existed naturally since pretty much the dawn of time.
Money, markets and the economy didn't spontaneously pop into existence in 1759 when some dude wrote a book.
Adam Smith and other economists wrote books on economic theories because that economy already existed and they tried to both explain how it worked and see if they could improve it somehow.
They were way more pragmatic than they were "moral and ethical" like you claim.

>>512363236
>I would be okay with worldwide social democracy and market economy worldwide. But that won*t work because the welfare state depends on cheap leabour from the global south.
That's another fallacy.
You can't stop making fallacies.
No, the welfare state doesn't "depend on cheap leabour from the global south".
The welfare state comes from the abudance of wealth created by meritocracy.
Welfare comes from taxes.
Those taxes bring in a lot of money becausethe people in those countries are wealthy.
They are wealthy because they are productive, and that productivity is born from the meritocracy of capitalism + being competant.

I think we're moving towards some different form of future that's neither capitalistic nor communist. Once energy production becomes selfsustaining and robotics catches up so that it outperforms human labor in every aspect there really is no reason for private ownership of things production. I assume it will be some kind of civic duty to oversee AI / robots in some fields for a few years of your life (something that will be taught to people in school so they can intervene when the machines fuck up something or need human input).

>>512364833
>except china

Stop confusing communism for tribalism.

micronations don't deserve a reply. i piss on your countries

>>512364585
agree, china won. because they invented shitposting

>>512356044 (OP)
you'll have been murdered though alongside your pisslamic golems.

>>512356044 (OP)
B but muh freedums

I just wanted a measly geotermal engine

>>512364849
>can you see slovakia from up here Boris?
>no, but it’s so small I can’t see it down there either
>ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>512363006
It's not off topic. It's the only huge mistake marx made.

>>512365008
we might get there, but first there will only be neo feudalism. the elite are already building their castles (bunkers and remote islands). everyone else is a shit eating peasatnt who will starve to death. when all the plebs are corpses the tech elite can enjoy their lives.

>>512365207
>no, but it’s so small I can’t see it down there either
like a clockwork

>>512356141
Because it makes more sense to ask people what their economic preferences are using money, instead of some bureaucrats trying to guess what everyone else wants and is capable of supplying.

>>512365586
there was money in the soviet union

>>512365657
Not on the supply side though, which was centrally planned. Money is a form of communication that also tells suppliers how many units they should produce.

>>512365868
but your argument was demand side voting through money

>>512356044 (OP)
ai will simply force humans to do human things again in many cases. middle managers, pencil pushers and analysts of all sorts are going to have a hard time competing in the future.

people that sweat for a living will be MUCH harder to replace - software is easy compared to robotics

>>512356704
>good, we eradicated homelessness, illiteracy, infant mortality
Wow, so like...every other white country did during the first half of the 20th century ?

>>512366037
It's both. Central planning doesn't work because it's impossible to model the personal economic preferences of every economic actor in an economy while solving a really complicated mathematical optimization problem to optimally distribute resources. Markets provide a decentralized way of solving this optimization problem, where every economic actor inputs their own preferences using money and prices, so that no preference modeling is required.

>>512356244
Nigger, Russia Today is banned in your country for spreading Russian narratives. That's different, of course.

YouTube has blocked the channels of several American travel bloggers for spreading Russian propaganda. That's different, of course, lol.

>>512366518
I remember when russian propaganda was about russians being better

>>512364935
>>512364313

monopoly and competition surpresses wages and takes any risk taking out of it.

>>512366187
Anon. When ai takes over, your roomba will make you sweep the floor while he watches soap operas on tv.

>>512356044 (OP)
>In the end communism will win
Communism has never worked and will never work. The only economic system in contemporary history that works is Ethnonationalist Socialism. Of course the jew niggers of Earth hate this, because the achievers, achieve, and the parasitic jew nigger barnacles, can't hitch a ride.

>>512356141
>Something should never evolve!
>Stick to the plan!
>Competition? What's that? Who cares!

Whoops I just got financial incentive to increase production by 10x... So I guess if my product completes with you, you just lost 90% of income when I sell for the same profit margin.

What everything is forced with no incentive. I guess I won't reveal my revolutionary world changing product cheapifying/profit amplifying techniques I just discovered in my excess free time.

>>512366326
cool story 80% of the stuff is made for women. what an efficient system, 10 brands offering the exact same junk food

>>512367026
You can include competition into the planning, by tenders. You can also assign concession agreements thereby providing incentive for ordinary people to develop something everyone would benefit from. Planned economies are not a religion, you can always take a pragmatic approach, see China. But having no government planning means like always in anarchy, that the power vacuum will always be sucked up by the most ruthless and evil

worker co-ops and democracy was intented to be in commmunist countries but that's only possible in the rich western countries.

lenin was a dumbass nigga

> there were money in Soviet Union
b-but capitalists are mistreating niggers!

>>512367566
Yeah just lived fought and spread communism in first world countries, tangentially helped the second world and defined the third world as future task

But you so smart don't know he separated the world for you, b4 that people weren't aware countries like the rich plantation slave colonies were actually shitholes, is common sense now

>>512367722

bro was naive to think that he could spread communism by overthrowing russia first. dumbass move. why gamble with geopolitics and be that impatient? disgusting

and the imperialist worldview is not unique or new, marx already talked about capitalism being global

>>512366879
>>In the end communism will win
>>Communism has never worked and will never work.

If communism was going to triumph it would already be victorious.

>>512366582
western governments decided to lower the bar i guess

>>512356044 (OP)
The NWO AI dystopia planed by the WEF is a type of communism, Anon.
Klaus Schwab said that China is the role model for the future.
You will own nothing an be not so happy, probably.

>>512367566
The fascists managed to institute cooperatives across the nation as they knew Marxism was not about cooperatives and the Marxists today will ignore and cover up this fact.

They say it's still capitalism as the market is not centrally controlled.

They are not about worker empowerment, never were, they are not workers for fuck sake.

They are only about control and social engineering.

>>512368211
They're not plans, they're predictions based on trends

>>512368074
>If communism was going to triumph it would already be victorious.

>>512368328
The tend is the JWO will gain more and more power

>>512361544
You are right but we don’t live in a meritocracy because some people are rich, not because they are more competent or intelligent but because they were born into the right circumstances which ensured their success and upbringings, like the Jews in America for an example. They are extremely nepotistic and tribal hence why they keep giving important positions to people within their circle. According to your logic these people are actually better than you and me but that’s not actually the case. Most people that are capable and intelligent can’t attain a successful career or a business because organized crime syndicates exist beyond their means. This is what actual success stems from, which being a criminal that’s part of a powerful oligarchy that’s deeply embedded into the government branches and institutions.

>>512356141
This

>>512368368

Mainland China becomes a giant industrial slave plantation, 1.1 billion strong.
Slaves make things very cheaply without bothersome rules or regulations.
Cheap things sell very well overseas.

Trade income goes up.


>Picachu Face

How could such a thing be bad?

On a related note; I have lived and worked in the PRC. Don't tell me lies about how wonderful life is in China.

>>512368821
You didn't refute his argument about Communism winning. Only a handful of countries still have US as their primary trading partners and Commie-fist Kremlin Trump is attacking them all.

>>512356225
Only area where capitalism outperforms socialism/communism is squeezing out last drop of blood from population.
People are lax under socialism and productivity suffers compared to constant grind and hustle of neoliberal capitalism.

>>512368991
>Only a handful of countries still have US as their primary trading partners

Slavers and people trying to be free in conflict.
A tale as old as time.
Remember lads, when they talk about immigration and the need for labour they are talking about economic and actual slavery.

Who will pick the cotton?
Who will pick the vegetables?
Who will make the Funko Pops?

It's a war between Human Beings and property of the State.

>>512357132
>leftist faggots with blue hair
Mixing up traditional/economic left with liberal left which have very little overlap.

>>512365307
>It's not off topic. It's the only huge mistake marx made.
Okay then, let's agree to disagree.

Communism will take over, eventually. As nomadic hunter gatherer tribes gave way to early civilization and primitive city states, as those gave way to formalized republics and monarchies, as those gave way to feudalism and mercantilism, as those gave way to democracy and capitalism, so too will the current economic system be replaced by something new. It's a simple matter of technology.

The #1 problem with planned economies in the past was a lack of data. How the fuck is some commissar in Moscow supposed to know how many of everything should be supplied to Vladivostok 3 years from now?
Today that's a solved problem. Mass collection and processing of data is pretty much all we've been specializing in for at least 30 years. AGI would improve that capability tenfold, but I don't see AGI coming from LLMs.

>>512356044 (OP)
I think it will because it’s the ultimate conclusion of Liberal thought, which is why they can’t do anything to avoid it.

Communism is the final bow of the Enlightenment and will help us all reset and transition back to Barbarism to begin again.

>>512368368
>Ethnonationalist China is winning
>Countries with jew nigger commie cancer are dying
Precisely my point

>>512356244
Where's your blue jeans now? MADE IN CHINA.

>>512368821
Our righteous New Deal
Their barbaric slave plantation
Our luxurious suburbia
Their soulcrushing bughive

>>512368821
>a giant industrial slave plantation
You can't even find yourself a jew daycare, who are you kidding

>>512366605
>monopoly and competition surpresses wages and takes any risk taking out of it.
Monopoly yes, but not competition.
Monopolies are bad, which one reasons among many to why Communism sucks, because then the state is a de-facto absolute monopoly.
So you just proved my point that Communism sucks.

Competition doesn't supress wages.
There's multiple types of competition.
Sure there is competition between businesses when it comes to the pricing of goods, but that's a good thing because it keeps prices reasonable.
If there is no competition, then businesses can jack up the price a lot without severe repercussions.
If there is competition, then they can't jack up the prices without all their customers switching to buying from someone else.
Competition improves the quality of goods and services, because price isn't the only thing businesses are competing for.
They also compete on quality and customer experience. So competition improves things rather than make them worse.
And there's competition for wages.
If there's only one employer, the state, then it can set a low wage, because there's no else to get work, only through the state.
In a competitive job market, businesses compete to hire the best employees, which forces them to offer proper compensation, which elevates wages.

See how you got this all wrong?
Almost everything you say as an argument is the opposite of the truth because you don't know what you're talking about.
Competition is good.
The lack of competition, a monopoly isn't good.
Which is why even capitalist countries regulate and prohibit monopolies.

>>512369507
>the current economic system be replaced by something new. It's a simple matter of technology.

Automated Luxury Communism. When the machines are advanced enough, THEY can become the workers and peasants, allowing humans to become the 'Party Members'.

When you can build your slaves and not grow them perhaps something good will come out of it.

I doubt it. When you look at what the modern world has given us in our Elite Ruling Class all I see is people who want us dead.

Something to think about.

>>512369684

Kek'd out loud at that, Comrade.
I will say that is funny, but I will not say it is wrong.

>>512369824
>who are you kidding
?

>>512356044 (OP)
>be you
>living in AI run communist paradise
>want to wear a beret and do performance art all day with cute chicks at the coffee shop
>sorry comrade, you’re needed to dig ditches over in sector 243
>your weekly prostate exam and colonoscopy is scheduled for tomorrow
>sorry, your request for a gf has been denied. No room in planned economy right now
>your recreation time is over. Please report to sector 243

>>512369896
They are definitely not going to share the fruits of automation with the retarded masses. Why would they? So they can breed more and more, depleting all the resources while being a hindrance to the legacy of mankind? We will all be put down by a deadly virus when they can finally have an automation tech that is good enough to replace every job that is essential for running, improving and maintaining the modern infrastructure

>>512369507
You're wrong.
Technology alone can't solve Communism's problems.
Because even in a scenario with incredible technology doing all the work for us, who owns the technology?
Who's money is being used to invest in the Research and Development of these technologies? Who creates these technologies? Who pays for the initial investment in these technologies?

You can't really solve these questions / problems without adressing the question of Investment.
Technology doesn't grow on trees, ready to be harvested.
Someone has to do research and then create the technology.
Someone else has to invest and finance the infrastructure that will create whatever robots you're imagining do all the work for you, and then finance the creation of said robots.

You can't escape the problem of money, of investment, of capital.
All you're doing when proposing Communism is that you take all the people's wealth and power away and give it to an authoritarian government that has a de-facto monopoly on every single piece of the economy.
You have solved nothing.
All you've done is formulate a stupid system based on a perfect yet stupid scenario where humans don't ever have to lift a finger in their entire lives for any reason whatsoever.
That's not how the world works and it will never work that way no matter how much you wan it to.
Utopias are by definition an impossible standard to achieve.
Stop bringing up fictional utopias, futuristic or not.
It's retarded.
You're retarded.
Your ideology is retarded.
Fuck off.

>>512356044 (OP)
AI doesnt exist. Communism will never benefit you, it only exists as a concept for the benefit of a very selected clique of demons in human skin.

No one has the right to dictate my life. I am justified in myself to life freely

>>512356044 (OP)
You lost

>>512370317
>not going to share the fruits of automation with the retarded masses

This. Why would they? In a planned and automated economy, administered by super-computers, would you expect some advanced AI to uplift Myanmar to First World standards or simply depopulate it?

If you allow machines to make decisions they will make decisions based on their programing and training data, and that data is supplied by psychopaths.

We can see that even now.

>>512370317
This. When “the masses” have to be managed and provided for, eventually they become a burden to the narcissistic sociopaths running everything. Those leaders will begin to plan an economy around fewer people and start culling the “useless eaters”. It is inevitable.

>>512370266
>>your weekly prostate exam and colonoscopy is scheduled for tomorrow
>seems that you have 4 polyps and a genetic marker for cancer susceptibility
>further medical care is suspended
>Please report to sector 243
>If you are unable to perform your duties or meet your quota your food and nourishment privileges will be suspended.
>Directions to the nearest MAID facility have been forwarded to your iPhone.
>Have a productive day, Comrade.

>>512370921
>plan an economy around fewer people and start culling the “useless eaters”. It is inevitable.

Always happens. Every single time.
If you have a look at every Socialist Revolution in history the victorious communists need to 'remove' something on the order of 10 to 25 percent of the population to match surviving productivity to the number of people needing support.

The Red Terror, famine, genocide, whatever.
It always happens.

>>512370371
"Investment", "capital", "money"... these things are not real. They are social constructs.
What you have, no matter your economic system, is workers and material goods. What the economy does is decide what those workers should do and how those material goods should be distributed. Capitalism is the decentralization (theoretically) of this decision.

Dollars, Euros, Shekels, even gold coins are not used as material goods. What they are is voting power. As it stands, the ones that get to vote the most are billionaires, investment bankers, and the like. When they "invest" in a company, what do you think that does? Do you think the dollars are uploaded to a star trek replicator and print out whatever that company needs? No. That company goes and pays its workers (or another company) to do something. Build a machine, do research, produce something... that is where the money goes. And those workers use that money to pay a company (that pays its workers) to produce food, to build houses, so on and so forth.
Money has no utility except in incentivizing people to do things.

And this is the main reason why capitalism works, and why it fails. Money is the sole motivator. Therefore it will be captured by entities whose only goal is to accumulate more money. They will use this money to incentivize others to do things that will give them more money, without regard for the wellbeing of society. And of course this runs counter to the goal of any economic system, which is to build a better society. They will use that money to gain more money, more votes, which they will use to gain more money, more votes, until they own everything and (you) own nothing. And in the process they will destroy society to squeeze the maximum amount of dollars out of its desiccated corpse.

Please do even the smallest amount of research on capitalism or on socialism before posting. Thank you.

>>512356044 (OP)
Their will be a planned economy and power will be in the hands of a select small group within a statecorporation monopoly. You will be dissapeared if you speak against the state. This is the case for both Communism and Late Stage Capitalism because what i just described is the exact same system (which is why commies are retarded midwits)

>>512371866
> social constructs
it's maaam, amirite

>>512371866
>"Investment", "capital", "money"... these things are not real. They are social constructs.

If you are going to lecture us on Marx and the LTV please read Das Kapital.
Stop using the word 'money', you have fallen into the trap of modern ignorance.

>Money has no utility except in incentivizing people to do things.

You are a doctrinal Communist and you don't even realize it.

*checks flag*

Public education at its' finest.

>>512372193
>I am easily distracted by buzzwords
You are the last man alive.
Does X still work? No? Then it's a social construct.

Food and water = not social constructs.
Credit and dollars = social constructs.

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism requires infinite resources, labor and knowledge to work. AI and robotics will make the last two 100% possible and most likely the first one as well. A LLM could most certainly have enough processing power to "plan" a global economy, robotics handle all the labor, etc. This will either lead to a utopia or a dystopian nightmare beyond our comprehension. The question is whether the elites will keep the peasants around when they are no longer needed. They are using us peasants to build the world that will make us obsolete.

>>512360097
Sure Rabbi sure

>>512372754
>The question is whether the elites will keep the peasants around when they are no longer needed.

No, of course not. The machines will run a ROI calculation regarding some classification of humanity and decide that X number of people are more expensive in resources than they will produce.

Their hands will stay clean, because the machines told them to do it.

>>512372585
By your definition, sex would be a social construct.
There is absolutely no need for that category, unless it's about communism working only for the last man alive.
Ad buzzwords - anything and everything coming from anyone who indicates their insanity by using a nonsensical pilpul isn't worth listening to. Shame, because the rest of your post was relatively sane.

I hate commies so much its unreal. Only good commie is a dead commie.

>>512373791
Sex can’t be a social construct because it has its basis on the amount of chromosomes you have. Money on the other hand has no tangible value other than people creating actual value backing it up by using it as a means for trade, hence why it’s social construct agreed upon by the entire world.

>>512372967
All liberals.

Soviet socialism now.

>>512374094
>Money on the other hand has no tangible value


Currency.
Currency has no tangible value.
'Money' is a thing of intrinsic value.
That's why paper dollars lose value but in adjusted-terms my stash of silver coins is worth more on the market, and I can use those coins for one-on-one trade as well.

It's a thing that no one seems to understand. Money and Currency are not the same.

>>512374094
Great!
Now what.
Is social construct haram? Does it short dicks of cannibals in Congo?
Why is that category useful? Apart for counting chromosomes.

>>512356044 (OP)
Communism will only win when communists work, think, and bath. I've seen your kind faggot and you do none of those things. Make the damn latte or shut the fuck up.

>>512372585
Communism = social construct
retard

>>512356044 (OP)
Lel

>>512356044 (OP)
>A planned economy.
Correct about one thing.

The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.
There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

The Great Reset is inevitable.

>>512373791
It is absolutely necessary to clarify because retards pretend like our current social trappings are fucking commandments from god, or inevitable laws of the universe.
Just because you get assmad when you see a word doesn't mean I'm gonna stop using it.

>>512374389
>muh fiat retard
Lol. The market value of precious metals is far, far higher than its intrinsic, material value.
It's the same as a dollar, just printed on more expensive paper.

>>512376513
>a form of organizing a society is in fact a social construct
...yes?

>>512356044 (OP)
>In the end communism will win

>>512376809
If this is true then the end of the world is inevitable.

>>512356044 (OP)
Monarchists started the industrial revolution, Communists can never claim that. Get fucked.

>>512376918
There is no intrinsic value to anything except that what individual humans value. If nobody wants something, then there is no value in it.

>>512376809
>The Great Reset is inevitable.

>>512356044 (OP)
We currently live under unorganized global communism.

>>512376918
Okay. Can you please give me an example of retards misunderstanding our social trappings, where the usage of "social construct" would help in any way?

>>512356044 (OP)
communists don't even know how to work a hammer

>>512376809
>There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

>>512356044 (OP)
>judaism will win
tell us something new, you uneducated brainwashed kid

>>512356141
Its because you're retarded and a waste of oxygen and bandwidth

>>512356044 (OP)
Death to jews, russians and commies, but I repeat myself

>>512356223
Marxism is Christianity without the gay Jewish mythology.

>>512356223
Communism is the Scarlet beast of Revelation
The mortal head wound was 1990, fall of communism
It healed (russia become soviwt union 2.p)
They will all die at the Plain of Meggido

>>512356704
Yet couldn't manufacture toilet paper well into the 70s
I romania we had a saying in the 80s, Lada is like Aids, once you get it you can't get rid of it

>>512377868
>>512370371

>>512356855
A Jewish utopia is science
If you'd be more stupid you'd have negative iq
Communism is the envy of the worthless towards their betters

>>512357541
Like how to starve to death 3 of his own children because he refused to work?

>>512357859
Blood, soil and King rings a bell?
Ofc it doesn't coz you're a nigger

>>512358795
go back to plebbit faggot then kys

>>512379160
> be me
> ask a commie to do a little work for his sake
> commie leaves that work to me
Great idea, everyone knows that the biggest experts on Marxism-Leninism in gulags were the priests.

>>512370371
This anon is 100% right and no kvetching about imaginary categories will change that.

Reminder that liberals are idealists and actual marxists are materialists

>>512360348
You're such a retard

>>512356141
Retarded rusnig, you live in a wretched twisted mockery of a European country because of communism

>>512360660
Read up on mazdakism, a Zoroastrian heresy, thats communism to a T
If I were as stupid as you id kill myself

>>512361370
Nigger I own more things than your entire bloodline combined
All of it due to my hard work and intelligence

>>512361387
Kek

>>512357496
Marxist Leninism is several orders of magnitude more deadly than uh seeing mixed race couples in ads or having to wake up early for your job that doesn’t involve blowing your neighbors brains out for “parasitism”

>>512362046
Luck based system
This means you're a retard

>>512379578
> because of communism
Anon, I ...

>>512379490
>SPOONFEED ME!!!
If you can’t figure out how a retard acting like “financing” and “investment” are the only way things get done relates to social constructs, you are beyond help

>>512371866
>"Investment", "capital", "money"... these things are not real. They are social constructs.
Not really.
Money is usually tangible, one way of another.
Wether it's a gold coin, a paper bill or some number on a screen, that money is very real.
Money was created to hold value through time and be able to exchange value with others easily.
>Dollars, Euros, Shekels, even gold coins are not used as material goods.
That doesn't matter that they're not used "as goods".
They were never meant to be used as goods.
They were made to hold value and exchange value.
The part where you're correct is that the value of money is a social convention, but not actually a social construct.
We all agree that a dollar has a certain value, so it's a social convention, but the value of said dollar is enforced by the governement.
For example, if I liv e in the US and a business refuses to take my dollar to buy a certain good, I can sue them, and have the government force them to accept my dollar.
So not only is money tangible, it's value, which is mostly a social convention, is directly enforced by the governemnt that issues said money, making it "more real" if you will.
But even if you were correct, which you are not, that wouldn't change shit to the actual issue we're discussing.

>As it stands, the ones that get to vote the most are billionaires, investment bankers...
That's because you live in a country that has legal corruption.
You give unlimited money to politicians as long as you do it the "right way", which is using a PAC or Super-PAC tio funnel the money into first.
We don't have that in Europe.
We don't have legalized corruption.

You said a lot of dumb shit I'm going to pass but
>When they "invest" in a company, what do you think that does?
They're making a bet, they're taking a risk, you dumbass.
They put money up front and risk losing all of that money if the business fail.
It's a RISK.
They can LOSE the money.
They often do actually.

>>512365657
Yeah but no toilet paper

>>512379578
you can't refute my logic and thus you need to use insults out of frustration

>>512379160
Just because you're a retarded cuck that can't argue for shit doesn't mean you have to talk shit behind my back.
You can't even articulate your arguments properly so fuck off and go suck dick you monstruous retarded faggot.

>>512379509
Idealism is better (slightly)
>>512379518
>why don't you just love capitalism
Because it kind of sucks and is not sustainable in the way it's practiced today.

>>512360024
That is objectively monstrous, not good.

>>512379490
Thank you fren.
Very based.

>>512379940
A social construct is intangible you absolute retard.
If I take out a gold bar from my safe and give to somebody to create a new business, that's not a social construct, retard, that's an actual object that has actual value being used to create more value by creating economic opportunities.

Only retarded shit like Communism and Gender are social contructs, so pipe down, tranny retard.

>>512356044 (OP)
No one should ever own anything. All we are are ants in a colony.

>>512360024
>Yes, human nature exists
Most of human nature comes from religion, the state and the family.

>>512380101
You live vastly superior life compared to your parents because of freedom and capitalism
Your fathers were poorer than homeless people in the west
If you'd live a month back in the glory days of the USSR you'd kill yourself in desperation
I know I'm living better than my Father and his father
For us communism was the greatest tragedy of our history

>>512379993
>We don't have legalized corruption.
And yet you're still corrupt. You will go to jail if you say the wrongthing or talk about how your faggot leader got fucked as a boy by a tranny and is a Rothschild puppet. But sure, no corruption at all!

>>512356044 (OP)
1:14

>>512357496
This is how dumb the average commie is. They think no one outside of abrahamic religion ever bought/sold anything, or ever had private property.

>>512371866
>>512379993
cont.

>Money has no utility except in incentivizing people to do things.
Retard take.
Money is used to
1- Store Value through time.
If I'm a potato farmer, I need to have something, some medium to "preserve wealth" because my potatoes will eventually rot.
I can't keep potatoes forever. They rot and perish.
Money, Gold, precious metals, do not rot and perish.
They PRESERVE VALUE THROUGH TIME which is the primary function of money.
The second function is for people to exchange the value of money for some good or service.
That's what money is for.
It's a placeholder for value.

The fact you don't even understand THE MOST BASIC SHIT IN ALL OF ECONOMICS really shows how fucking stupid and ignorant you are.
Go read economics 101, you absolute ignoramous.

>Money is the sole motivator. Therefore it will be captured by entities...
You seem to think that "money only flows upwards", which it doesn't.
It flows up and down.
Corporations need to pay their workers.
People, rich or poor need to buy goods and services.
Money will flow up or down because it has to.
If it only flowed upwards, then nobody would have any money except a select few, which isn,'t the case, so that automatically refutes your stupid take.

>Please do even the smallest amount of research on capitalism or on socialism before posting. Thank you.
AAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAA
NIGGER PLEASE!
YOU DON'T VEN UNDERSTAND "WHAT MONEY IS FOR" !
Go read a book about economics, please, I beg you.
you can't be this fucking retarded AND so sure of yourself.
What an absolute Dunning-Kruger speciemen you are.

>>512380461
That's not the point or topic.
Never said Europe was perfect or absent of corruption.
I was just making a point.

>>512380771
You're better of explaining economy to a rock than to a commie.
I'm convinced that being a commie is both a mental and character flaw.
It's a mind virus for the dumbest of cattle, Sci-fi for worthless "people".

>>512380225
>>512380771
Read it, pédé

>>512356044 (OP)
Balanced social democracy is the most successful social system in history.

>>512381323
More like the most Reddit you retarded fucking faggot. Actually commit suicide with a shotgun

>>512380845
It's all intertwined, little baguette. It's jewish bankers all the way down.

>>512360024
Is Xi a 3000 year old emperor? None of this is knew for the chinamen

>>512381026
How very contractarian of you.
Can you please point to the precise page and paragraph which supports your argument?

>>512360024
>He is eradicating the individualism of the Chinese.
That was done long before the Mongols ever invaded.

>>512356044 (OP)

Star Trek

>>512356044 (OP)
Then all jews are removed and communism will end forever. Low IQ people think capitalism won over communism in the 90s'. Wrong. Ghouls who left the East for the West after their untold, hidden crimes took revenge on the nations who finally got sick of communism, and is ongoing.

>>512381026
If you rely on a single thought to ever come out of Scotland then you're a fucking retard.
All my people are good at is throwing heavy rocks and taking heroin.

>>512382695
>throwing heavy rocks
but that's a plus if aimed.

>>512356044 (OP)
Wait until you have ectually work to eat.

>>512380771
>>512380771
What do you make of Marx's conclusion that profit is the unpaid labour of the working class?

Two more weeks

>>512379848
Now show the real victims of capitalism living in tent cities while being told they have white privilege.

>>512381026
I'd like to ask you the same question >>512383416

>>512381873
>WAHHH WAHHHHHHHHH SPOONFEED ME!!!!!
Book 1, Chapter 5: OF THE REAL AND NOMINAL PRICE OF COMMODITIES, OR THEIR PRICE IN LABOUR, AND THEIR PRICE IN MONEY

Wealth, as Mr. Hobbes, says, is power. But the person who either acquires, or succeeds to a great fortune, does not neces sarily acquire or succeed to any political power, either civil or military. His fortune may, perhaps, afford him the means of acquiring both, but the mere possession of that fortune does not necessarily convey to him either. The power which that possession immediately and directly conveys to him, is the power of purchasing; a certain command over all the labour, or over all the produce of labour, which is then in the market. His fortune is greater or less, precisely in proportion to the extent of this power; or to the quantity either of other men’s labour, or, what is the same thing, of the produce of other men’s labour, which it enables him to purchase or command. The exchangeable value of everything must always be precisely equal to the extent of this power which it conveys to its owner.

>>512358203
That is really how the internet is, isn't it? Socialism and anarchy in its purest and it only becomes gay when everyone tries to control it

>>512358720
It's a fantasy that should be real I agree

> once we destroy everything you believe in, your traditions, your religion, the things you love and cherish we will be victorious over you peasant
> PS we're the good guys
This will end well ! :)

National Socialism can do the same while providing meaning and identity instead of requiring you to be a soulless husk

>>512356044 (OP)
could only maybe work if ai was doing the planning. no human bureaucrat has the competence to set prices correctly, as we`ve seen time and time again.

>>512356044 (OP)
ok comrade groomer

>>512380450
K. I must oppose the current thing anyway.

>>512356044 (OP)
Plan deez nuts

>>512384079
You're either genuinely retarded or simply a liar.
1. If you make a claim, be prepared to defend it.
2. This has absolutely, totally nothing to do with social constructs.
Again, thanks for nothing.

>>512356141
>>everything good in life must be planned thoroughly
Who are you quoting?

>>512356044 (OP)
In a world that's fully automated, poorly, it will break any sense of human valuation in a functional sense. Between communism and multiple centuries-long religious zealot wars, I would bet on the latter.

Its a good bet. Chances are greater that no one will ultimately uplift something as broken as Marxist interpretation. Chances are significantly better for agonizing generational strife.

In such a world, where anything could be made with minimal human input if any, why would anyone accept centralization? Assuming it could be done, it could be done at any level. Why wouldn't they make their own weapons to protect their own rules and ways of life in endless cycles of confusion and triumph just like before? We essentially already have planned economies and it's the gayest shit ever.

>>512385053
astral realm

>>512369824
>jew daycare
Banks and government?

>>512385667
The Russian is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an inbred Mong and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out."

>>512356044 (OP)
You got on the merry-go-round called Globalism for Liberalism and Glastnos only to end up right back where you started with your Opponant larger than before ...

Stalling Tactic Successful...

COMMUNISM Your game opponent cannot win the game but it can make you lose the game

>>512379993
Other anon is completely correct by virtue of everyone using fiat currency, that shit is absolutely not real and its sole value is born from mans imagination

>>512356044 (OP)
:((((
Every trace of the old guard dies one by one

>>512386433
Down with the Old Guard
Return of the Iron Guard

>>512386433
o sa va para rau de mine bai neacceptati de redit? Had a friend who hated Ilich. Buried him this year. The hate towards someone relly surpased by events around him, and loyalty for his so called arch-enemy, a Bolshevik jew from Tiraspol (Contanijewscu) told me politics is moot. BTW nobody know here about their colony politics .

>>512386568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_Uah-pGqw
Often people and nations are getting a God-given chance, never to return.

>>512387130
often, on a millenial scale.

>>512384065
The workers of a company produce a certain amount of value. In any successful venture, that value exceeds the value put in (cost of materials, equipment, and labor power), ideally including opportunity cost. That’s profit. That’s not theft.

This is where the theft happens:
The owner then decides what to do with that surplus value. The owner unilaterally decides that they would like to give themselves the money. Then they purchase a new yacht and a few dozen single family homes.
Notice how the owner doesn’t do any work (in their role as owner, at least) yet has full control over fruits of the workers’ labor. Why does the owner enjoy such power? Why doesn’t every worker start their own company, or work for themselves? Because the owning class has capital, and you do not.

This would not be theft:
The employees democratically decide to reinvest the money, pay it out to employees, or hold it for the future.

>>512384900
>Labour alone, therefore, never varying in its own value, is alone the ultimate and real standard by which the value of all commodities can at all times and places be estimated and compared. It is their real price; money is their nominal price only.
I’m not going to sit here and spoonfeed you things that you would already know if you’d ever taken any amount of time to learn about economics. Or just used google.

>>512386433
Iliescu is worm dinner
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>>512387830
Are you organized as a communist? Are you part of a specific tendency, and if so, why?

>>512386568
B A S E S
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>>512389022
>>512389053
i-ati medicamentele compensate bai reditorul pulii. Singura vina a lui Iliescu a fost ca nu a dat ordin sa fie omorati tot jidanii spre numere pe care le spuneti voi acum ca au fost pe langa WW2. Ai inteles bai comentatorul pulii fara valoare uber marxist? Communism = judaism = neomarxism si pule in cur pe care le placi mult ca si tactu.

>>512389900
>i-ati
ia-ti chiar. Un mormant undeva pe la statiile de epurare.

>>512389043
>Are you organized as a communist?
No. I don't know if I would even call myself a communist, I'm more of a social democrat really. I'm not sure if associating myself with local communist groups would do anything productive. It might even be detrimental to me.

>>512356044 (OP)
>struggles in a global economic system dominated by free market trade and will always because people want stuff, even if it's unnecessary
>centralized resource distribution often leads to inefficiencies and an inability to compete with capitalist adaptability in times of economic uncertainty
>economic policy reforms occur so frequently under communism to the point of ideological redundancy
tiresome

>>512356194
The only function of the State is to protect people from hurting each other. Nothing else.

>>512387830
Again, this has fuck all to do with anything you're trying to say, retard.
Besides, argument by authority can kiss my White ass.

I believe in communism because there's no alternative. Nothing else is radical enough to restore order to a profoundly disordered society. And much like how liberalism used to be, it's an idea that espouses peaceful co-existence and internationalist pragmatism. Whereas the Nazis are for total war and unsustainable models of colonialism that ultimately result in national self-destruction.

10/10 ideology especially since Xi Jinping thought and China's reforms.

>>512356044 (OP)
>>512356141
Money is too expensive
Communism is just planned capitalism / the DMV organizing everything and demanding a form to ride your bicycle, you own your life = you are judged by the law of liberty
The United States is the most ecumenical nation in regards to people having the right to waste their time, but you do not have the right to make me waste mine

>>512390414
I asked you because I was wondering why you were intervening in this thread since there's no point arguing with anons who don't know shit about Marxist and communism. Why do you prefer social democracy to communism? On what points do you disagree? I'm genuinely interested in your views.

Communism's problem was just that human beings lack the capacity to plan the entire economy of a modern nation. Too big, too complex for human minds to work through in any reasonable time frame.

That's not a problem anymore.

>>512386958
mori ma cu simpatiile tale rosiatice

>>512356044 (OP)
>A planned economy.
Thats one way to put it.

>>512391791
>Why do you prefer social democracy to communism?
I just don't think implementing communism is possible in the USA within our lifetimes, or even our children's lifetimes. I also don't believe any sort of violent revolution will happen (nor should it, unless there is absolutely no alternative). There's little to no popular support or education on communism, and most people have an immediate negative reaction when they hear the word. We were ideological enemies with the USSR for a long time, after all.

I do think that our current society and institutions can be improved using socialist policies. That is much more politically viable, in my eyes, and would help reduce some of the worst aspects of capitalism.

>>512389900
Bai proasta pulii, iliescu a fost unealta alora de le sugi tu si ma-ta pula, cu pasture
Pisate-as in cur de sriist labar