Thread 512356668

Found a book by a Japanese author claiming nukes are fake.
Guy is a legit Professor of Applied Mathematics and Statistics so I take what he said with a grain of truthfulness.
224 pages of conspiracy, science and history I'll try to summarize it.

The whole premise is that nuclear weapons are the biggest scam in history. Not just a psyop, but a massive orchestrated lie for power and profit.
He says Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not nuked but claimed they were hit with conventional fire-bombing or "dirty bombs" (explosives + radioactive waste)
He showed photos of the cities and you can see buildings standing tall like nothing hapened. The wood burned while the sturdier buildings stayed which would not happen had it been a conventional nuke.
Eyewitnesses near ground zero survived with minimal radiation burns and medical data shows weirdly low irradiation for a supposed nuke.
Fallout had uranium-238, not uranium-235. Most likely bombs had nuclear waste.

He ran computer models on nuclear chain reactions and said it's straight up impossible to create a fast enough reaction to achieve a nuke explosion.
He doesn't provide full equations because of "U.S. secrecy laws" probably scared of litigation or getting black-bagged by glowniggers I guess.
Still provided techy terms like Monte Carlo methods and stochastic systems to show he is knowledgeable.4

He dug into the Manhattan Project and called it a hot mess of inconsistencies.
Los Alamos scientists like Oppenheimer, Fermi and Einstein get exposed for being kikes running the show so he is jewpilled.
Talks how photos look staged, documentation looks sketchy and desert glass might be from the heat generated and not nukes.
Bikini Atoll and other early nuke test sites are also fake, he claims test footage looks more like TNT or napalm than world ending explosions.
As for Hydrogen bombs they are more the same, bigger booms but no nuclear magic.

>>512356668 (OP)
Department of Defense, CIA, and glownigger-affiliated media keep the lie alive.
Nuke fear = ultimate control tool for governments and war profiteers.
Cold war is theater to keep everyone scared and obedient.
Nakatani says media buries dissenters, fake reviews trash his book to silence him and tells readers to ignore Amazon haters that they're probably (((government shills))).

Nukes might just be a global psyop to keep us in line.
Books doesn't fully seal the deal and has gabs and some things feel like educational guesses but still it makes you want to dig into the primary sources for yourself and see the truth with your own eyes.

>>512356668 (OP)
I think if this were true there would be more than one fucking guy saying it.

>>512356836
Then say it with me.
NUKES ARE FAKE AND GAY

>>512356836
He is qualified to challenge the claims due to his scientific background. If someone unqualified tried to he would be met with criticism such as "Trust the science goy you don't understand it"

If it was orchestrated then why can't the Japanese publically admit it was the USA?

>>512356929
Maybe hes retard and gay. We aren't qualified to challenge his claims but there are people out there that are.

>>512356929
japan nukes were pretty weak

>>512356668 (OP)
Never heard of him, but he's not the only person to say Hirosha and Nagasaki were firebombed. There is a pretty strong case for that alone in my opinion, and since that's the only instance of Nukes actually being used on people, yeah it calls into question their existence as a whole.

Yeah people will say "Do you know how many people would have to be in on it" etc.

I don't know how to respond to that, but the case for Hiroshima and Nagasaki being firebombed has merits for sure

We have city-destroying conventional weapons anyways so who cares. MAD holds

>>512356668 (OP)
If this is true then how does nuclear power work and how does a perfectly good RBMK reactor explode, comrade?

>>512356836
LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR DECADES, since 1946
- Hiroshima and Nagasaki firebombed not 'nuked'
- mushroom clouds standard in chemical explosions
- old 'nuke blast' videos clearly doctored

crisp summary
https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/07/nuclear-bombs-do-not-exist.html

free books online
'Death Object: Exploding the Nuclear Weapons Hoax', by Akio Nakatani
https://archive.org/details/8d-0de-2
'Hiroshima Revisited: Evidence that Napalm & Mustard Gas Helped Fake Atomic Bombings', by Michael Palmer
https://mpalmer.heresy.is/webnotes/HR/download/hiroshima-revisited.pdf

Brits working at the 'nuke weapons' site & Brit PM admitted its all fake
https://henrymakow.com/2025/08/patrick-ocarroll--nukes-are-fakes.html

'. From 'Jewish Scientists and the Atomic Bomb':
>[Per] Ben-Ami Shillony ... Jewish scientists played a central role in construction and testing of the atomic bomb ... an inordinately large number of Jews at various research centres and Los Alamos ... a large number of Jews occupying the highest positions

Robert F Kennedy Sr, 1960s, watching a 'small nuclear bomb explosion' within walking distance lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLEAuapfwHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO11fP6TsXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8vUfLrWkvo

Something also to add, I think I remember that the first eye witnesses to the Nuclear bombings in Japan were Americans, including some Priests or something which was pretty sketchy. And that the Japanese had to have it explained to them that they were actually Nuked. Don't exactly remember the source but that's something I remember hearing about. If it's true or not I can't confirm but if Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not nuked there's not much field evidence for Nukes besides Nuclear Power.

>OP is a faggot with no links
Here you go, anons.
https://dn721909.ca.archive.org/0/items/8d-0de-2/8d0de2.pdf
It's retarded and has little to do with anything, basically schizo text after text.
Here you go, one of the few tables on the book.
OP try his harder to paint this book as valid and le redpill when it present nothing besides building a narrative base one of thing or another instead of le evidence, data.

>>512356668 (OP)
>Found a book by a Japanese author claiming nukes are fake.
Only retards speak like this.

Here's the real red pill: Nukes are so efficient in terms of fall out today that they're used as regular bombs.

We're told that nuclear radiation makes the zone inhospitable for thousands of years but that's observably bullshit too

Hitler thought it was fake,gay and jewish and so did the top german scientists back in the day so I stand by what Hitler thought

>>512356706
>clearly a dresden but with wood

>>512356668 (OP)
I seem to remember my physics teacher writing out some wingdings and saying this is how we know the limit of the chain reaction.

Nukes are real. OP is a disinfo mossad shill. They don't want you to know what to do in case of an actual nuclear attack which is why they spam this /pol/ with "nukes are fake" posts all day long. At this point it makes me believe we actually will see nukes on US soil just because these fags won't stop shilling their gay psyop every day, all day long 24/7. OP is a faggot

>>512357624
That was a few protesting radicals in the 70's, it's known that nuclear winter is fake. But nukes are fucking real. We have observed hundreds of tests don't be fucking retarded you mouth breathing cattle

>>512356668 (OP)
Yep definitely fake

>>512358416
>>512358473
>>512358576
Hello Egliniggers
Say TKD

>>512358879
Eglin afb is a shitty base and you mosssd faggots keep forcing a dead meme. It is the same as 95% of all the other air force bases. You're scared because I called you out for what you are, MOSSAD KIKE RAT. Keep spreading bullshit, keep using your VPN you stupid jewish rat

I've got authentic 1940ies KGB documents (meant for elite eyes only) describing the concept and goals of the "nuclear weapons" psyops.
Once you read it, the rabbit hole becomes a lot smaller.

>>512359083
Do share anon

>>512356668 (OP)
>The wood burned while the sturdier buildings stayed which would not happen had it been a conventional nuke.
That's exactly what would happen with an explosion so bright that it sets things on fire, which is what nukes do.

Kill yourself subhuman bosniak.

>>512356668 (OP)
There are a thousand examples and reasons to know nukes are real, not the least of which being you wouldn't develop the technology in vidrel unless you had something that made a very big bang to put on it.
So Fuck off, kike.

>sudden influx of shills
Too obvious

BTW anyone who you see claiming nuclear weapons are real are most likely free masons, illuminati, lucifearians, satanist or some other secret society cultslop members.

>>512356668 (OP)
> He showed photos of the cities and you can see buildings standing tall like nothing hapened. The wood burned while the sturdier buildings stayed which would not happen had it been a conventional nuke

This hits hard if you’re fucking retarded.

>>512359602
The lengths they go to gaslight are incredible and it takes a real good eye to see from what angle they're talking and why.

>>512359609
Exactly the intended audience.

>>512359537
>>512359602
>>512359126
>>512359083

You are mossad agents, and kikes. You are jews, heebs. You smell like shit and you deserve all the hatred you receive in this world. You are a disgrace to even parasites. You synagogue of Satan faggots. Actually taking the time to try to psyop fucking NUKES is crazy. Then you claim anyone who disagrees with you is EVERYTHING from illuminati to freemasons. Because you know you've been unmasked as mossad kikes.

>>512356668 (OP)
Every Japanese was bred to die for imperial japan. No surprise that Japanese professor denies nukes. Still hasn't apologized for pearl harbor . Yes Japanese are a degenerate lot. The US government had to force them to wear panties. Their are prostitutes on every corner

>>512359710
Well, their position of power and keeping the NPCs in a perpetual state of fear and submission relies on it. It's their bread and butter livlihoods. They're just trying to sucure their "status qou".

>>512356668 (OP)
Fermi was Italian

>>512357239
nuclear reactors use sustained reactions, the claim is that the reaction can't be a large enough exponent to be a bomb because not enough matter would react to release the required energy
his montecarlo simulation probably only simulates a neutron traveling in a blob of pure uranium, without the engineering required to sustain that uranium at critical mass long enough to power the explosion

>>512359923
When did you apologize for occupying and oppressing Hawaiians and Filipinos?

nato forces would have been inside of ukraine fighting russia directly if nukes weren't real

>>512359877
Your bluff is running short on its lifespan, my little cult memember. The "great wizard of Oz" had the curtains raised on him, behold, he is an old shrivled up weak dying little pedophile.

“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”. :)

>nip can’t believe glorious nippon could surrender
>copes by calling nukes fake
How does he explain the outcome of the war, then?

>>512356706
Everything they've told us is lies, holocaust, climate warming, moon landings, 9/11, covid. Might as well be nukes to keep smaller countries in place and explain why cold war was USA jews working together with USSR jews to decolonize the world and turn europeans into slaves.

>>512357107
It takes a thousand jews ans zionist whores in the right position and all the cattle will buy it

>>512360434
>>512360469


Nobody cares what jewish word salad you come up with. Nukes are real. Show your flag and prove you aren't jewish you fucking rat bastard. I know you're jewish because I have debated you faggots on here since 06. You are retarded and probably a jewish student trying to earn a shekel while working on your jew rat campus.

>>512357468
Just common sense, despite being nuked both cities immediately began to rebuild like nothing happened. Like with holocaust the jews only added later bullshit about nukes and radiation

>>512357524
>oy vey goyim altshually it's this retarded thing
And where are those big explosions being used?

>>512358473
>this thing about the nuke dogma is false but you're stupid if you doubt the dogma

>>512356668 (OP)
nukes are obviously fake and gay. Only sub 90iq retards would ever believe in magic weapon that can destroy the city on the other side of the world, but would also mega poison it, but would also kill all electronics in entire solar system, but would also cause fimbulwinter.
These same retards believe that jews have this magic weapon but are not using it to nuke Teheran because jews are not super evil or something.

>>512359177
No, we were told nukes destroy everything you pilpuling faggot, yet a fucking church stood in the center of the drop zone and survived

>>512357367
>From 'Jewish Scientists and the Atomic Bomb':
>>[Per] Ben-Ami Shillony ... Jewish scientists played a central role in construction and testing of the atomic bomb ... an inordinately large number of Jews at various research centres and Los Alamos ... a large number of Jews occupying the highest positions

>>512359727
>>512359609
>aktshhually nukes only burn wood m'kay

Nukes are FAKE

Watch the documentary:
https://odysee.com/@Got42d:3/The-Nuclear-Scare-Scam---Galen-Winsor-eats-uranium-to-prove-its-_harmless_:5
> physic professor who toured arround the USA in the 70s made presentations proving Uranium and radiation is literally overblow, to get it out of regular peoples hands since ist pretty easy to use for almost free energy.
He also explains the properties of certain radiation.
For example alpha radiation is just producing helium.
It can't even penetrate paper.

Radiators from radium which emit heat without energy imput can be radiactivly isolatey by putting it in a thin aluminum Box.
But they wanted to get it out of consumers hands since they can't require money from you for that.

So then every radioactive material became dangerous.
Which people did not buy sind they knew in the 50s that only polonium and Kobalt isotopes produce radiation which can affect the human beeing.
Then they created the Nuke scam. Cheap energy will be impossible because of that.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/bOO8PGgN7Z2e/

> THAT TIME FIVE GUYS STOOD AT GROUND ZERO WHILE A NUKE DETONATED OVERHEAD.
https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/07/16/156851175/five-men-agree-to-stand-directly-under-an-exploding-nuclear-bomb
> archived: https://archive.is/z8Vcf

>>512359831
Why do these films always have weird filters
>inb4 it's the nuke

>>512360047
any scientist who run from fascists/nazis was a rat

>>512360757
It's easy, show your flag kike.

>>512360075
it doesn't even have to be that, it might be possible to collect explosive and fusion materials for two months to make a big boom, but this doesn't imply ability to put that on a rocket. You will notice that shills will post images nuclear explosions, but nuclear explosions are not nuclear weapons. There is not a single example of a nuclear weapon causing a nuclear explosion, it is quite literally a fantasy.
This is single most important weapon that entire globalistic world order is build around, mind, and somehow it is never ever used or tested or otherwise showcased and you have to believe it to be real and you have to give money to pedos otherwise sand niggers on the other continent will use this magic weapon to super destroy/posion/emp your country. Its an obvious psyop.

>>512360871
there was that guy who claimed to consume radioactive materials and was just fine

>>512361018
thanks for admitting you're a jewish whore

>>512361018
t some ZOGbot in a "nuclear silo" who's job depends on this psyop to run as long as possible.

Enjoy your new job at McDonalds nuking the fries...shitlord

>>512361083
>>512361128

Show your flags you stupid kike rats, it's simple. But you won't because you work for mossad. You want to lure people into a false sense of security for when nukes actually do fly. You are kikes, vermin parasites. Show your fucking flags cunts.

Remember kids, meme flags are poos until proven to be kikes. That goes for the natsoc and don't tread on me ones too, even if they are the flags of freedom.
I don't make the rules.

>>512356668 (OP)
This nukes are fake thing is kinda like the moon landing being fake thing. It requires every single country in the world to affirm the alleged hoax which just doesn't pass the smell test. Iran hosts conferences on holohoax denial, but have to keep the "lie" alive that nukes are real? I just don't buy it.

>>512361128
you're either a newfag or a zogbot too. Maybe this whole thread is jewish shills arguing with one another to waste anons' time. Wouldn't be the first one.

>>512361200
Am I a kike when I use my flag then retard?

>>512361219
>every country
It takes 1000 jews in the right position, anyone who opposes the agenda gets removed like African presidents who didn't fuck with covid
>>512361202
>>512361200
50% of posts from Israel, flags are meaningless jewish whore

>>512361202
here is an example of what I mentioned earlier. Shill, or more likely an automated bot, will spam atom central videos whenever this topic comes up. However you will notice that these are videos of nuclear explosions, and not nuclear weapons. Ask them to post a singular video of rocket making a boom and you will find them wanting.

>>512361254
No you are just a faggot mossad agent who uses a VPN. Those other two won't show their tel Aviv star of david kike flags because they are on a school network that doesn't allow VPNs. Cry more you sad sack of shit mossad fatass. It's hilarious to me that jews like you even attempt to gaslight me. I am Bobby Fischer levels of intelligence and knowing the truth. You jewish rats are exposed as soon as you begin. It would be hilarious if you weren't such disgusting vermin

>>512356668 (OP)
>The whole premise is that nuclear weapons are the biggest scam in history
Are we sure about that? Holohoax may have more money and influence behind it so it's a close match between the two.
Have a bump either way

>>512361280
Show your flag then if it is meaningless as you said, you stupid jewish rat kile heeb. Don't get your rancid smelling sideburns stuck in the door on your way out kike

>>512357107
>people have to be in on it
almost all of them would have been under the strictest of military orders to say nothing or to read from a script. military secrecy and non-disclosure laws/punishments are very real. other participants were highly motivated to keep the big lie going.
this was/is a mitary operation - like covid/vaxx

>>512356668 (OP)
Of course nukes are real. Just like covid deaths.
(same book)

>>512361343
Then post the fire bomb videos instead?
Go on, we'll wait.
Nukes are real, 95% of this entire board is shills that only disappear when Iran gives pissreal its just reward, and only a (((kike))) would even pretend nukes aren't real, when nuclear power stations are.
After you get nuclear power, the hard work has already been done, after that it's just testing different ways of squishing the bits together in the pursuit of more efficient designs.
Kikes.
Every.
Damn.
Time.

>>512361520
And this, if there's even a single human being here, is what we refer to as classic well poisoning.
Kikes.
Every.
Damn.
Time.

>>512361200
Mossad here, and we have you on the Epstein list and videos of you trying to fuck lolis with your tiny cock.

>>512361219
if nukes were real kikes would use them to murder millions
jews not killing millions is 100% undeniable evidence that nuclear weapons are fake and gay
everyone lying is infinitely more believable than everyone coming together and not using nukes and also no one making their own private nukes for six decades, as nuclear technology is super simple
512361559
512361633
no (you)s until you post a video of a nuclear weapon ranjeesh, you are not getting paid for anything less :)

>>512361520
Sauce?
512361416
512361486
>schizo babble
>>512361559
Nice unrelated vague video retard

>>512356668 (OP)
This photo was taken in Australia in Maralinga when the British did some nuclear testing in the late 1950s.

Aborigines have been complaining about this ever since, saying it poisoned them and their land. Are you telling me that Aborigines would make up a story just for sympathy??

>>512361061
Remember kids, india and pakistan have nukes and even there the fault rate is 0% and reliability is 100%. No accidents, zero, nada, niente.
Oh and jews would have bombed gaza multiple times and blamed it on arab tewwowists.
Oh and fun fact! Hiroshima bank opened TWO days after the kaboom while being 400 meters away from that kaboom center.
Such is a fairy tale land in our glorious national security era.

>>512358576
Obviously a chemical explosion because of color temperature. Thermonuclear ones will be invisible (comes from above UV in spectrum) and blue when cooling down. Most are not able to grasp the simplest things of physics.

>>512361633
The only people who use the term well poisoning have been jewish shills

>>512361634
>muh mossad superspies shitposters
Hasbara pajeet tier call centre at best

>>512361634
>>512361723

Quit deflecting and POST YOUR DAMNED FLAGS YOU STUPID JEWS

>>512361723
Same fucking book as OP, illiterate fednigger.

>>512361729
>Are you telling me that Aborigines would drink gasoline to get high?
Yes

>>512361757
That's the most pitiful nuke I've ever seen
>>512361747
Any sauce in the bank? No way to find anything with jewgle

>>512361902
Looks like they were too cheap on the TNT

Fucking poorfags man

>>512361902
Why are you such a retard? Just "hiroshima bank bomb" and there is no ??? phase, just profit.
Or are you searching for articles to scrub off from the net? I demand money for this!
www3.boj.or.jp/hiroshima/atomic-bombE/index.html
ctrl + f : 380

>>512360141
Take meds

>>512356668 (OP)
You got your brain fried by a nuke

you don't need any special sources. It doesn't matter who lied or how, or how shit was staged, or whatever.
The undeniable proof is that jews are evil demons who would use nuclear weapons to kill millions if they were real, so jews not nuking millions of people means that nukes are fake and gay.
This simple logic cannot be argued against.

>>512360141
Who cares about either?

>>512361729
I'll spoonfeed you some not so known info and hard to find on the web
During the war here NATO bombed serb positions with bombs laced with radioactive material which was detected after the war. These are the so called dirty bombs same ones used on hiroshima and nagasaki. What we are seeing is probably the same on your pic, they leave behind radioactive material after they explode that the aboos complained about.

>>512362116
Got it
lmao they just openly admit that, two days after bombing banks reopened like nothing had happened

>>512362146
Have you seen violent crime committed by native Hawaiian? Jesus Christ. And by those jungle monkeys?

>>512362277
>spoonfeed
>doesn't even drop the schizo book that you're try to praise
I did that and post of how tard your whole shit is, you claim he's le math professor but in no moment in the book he gave any math resolution of his claims, there's nothing, nada on the book math related.
Page after page after schizo trying to build some retard narrative.
This is obvious a shill thread, you're retarded or a shill, there's no third option here.
go float to space without gravity on your flat earth without nukes feed by your electric universe glownigger.

>>512362256
It's a good point. Jews are genocidal and if they could they'd nuke everyone but themselves. However they didn't have enough power to force the golems who just won them world war 2 to go on a genocidal spree, even if they had nukes. Right now it would be counterproductive since urban areas are populated with the best goyim and they couldnt nuke all rural areas.

>>512362476
Look at this guy, he's a quick reader

>>512362436
Age of consent is 12 years old in Philippines

>>512362558
No surprise you're using a meme flag. Fuck off fucking faggot

>>512362489
Abso-fucking-lutely

Kikes would celebrate every single purim by (((nuking))) a city/town full of goyim if they had such bombs. That alone is enough proof and all you need to expose this hoax.

>>512356668 (OP)
you can literally observe nukes measure radiation at nuclear test sites. We have nuclear power plants proving this shit out every second.

Retards are getting even more retarded

>>512362818
Measure radiation in hiroshima and Nagasaki
>inb4 ackthsually that's not how nukes work okay

>>512362818
Memeflags can’t comprehend ground vs aerial detonations, or disprove the damage of Ivy Mike.

Man this thread glows

>>512362818
neither of those requires nukes to exist 80iq retard bro
explain why kikes haven't used nukes
>>512362977
schrodinger's nuke, close enough to burn people into shadows but far away to have any trace of radiation miraculously disappear
>>512363149
glowies need this, otherwise good portion of them gets booted from their worthless made up jobs

>>512360871
>compressingbmetals with subatomic layers is impossible
I am sitting next to a machine that does it like a 3d printer.
There are a lot of narcissistic people on the internet, who made it to college, tried their hardest, and then dropped out.
They couldn't handle the difference in their actual and self perceived abilities.
Now we have to put up with their lifelong cope as they piss off everyone in their personal lives and online in a pernicious cycle of throwing good social capital after the bad 'I'm going to be an academic' delusion.
This is what happens when you are oversocialized: anime dorks think they are automatically intelligent, people who watch the history channel think they are intelligence agencies, fat boomers who bought a shotgun think they are super soldiers.
There is only one filter that cures such retardation; total war. I wish nukes weren't real. If that was the case we could have been using real war, not gay assymetrical shit, to get the 'I am big genius' types to get themselves killed. We could have gotten the simps to throw themselves away, all of the homeless would be single mothers and confined to a small area, we'd be living in paradise.

>>512356668 (OP)
there's like all in all 1.000.000+ people who saw a nuke expolde, go kys DoD employee who wants to disperese fear for the Nuclear Armageddon and help enlisting whites to die for the petrodollar.

>>512363439
>there's like all in all 1.000.000+ people who saw a nuke expolde
You cannot see an exploding nuke >>512361771

>>512363439
>there's like all in all 1.000.000+ people who saw a nuke expolde

"nuclear" explosion doesn't inherently imply ability to put 20mt worth of explosive on a rocket.

>>512361757
Heaven forbid someone uses Google earth to look at the area north north east of Los Vegas for actual evidence, instead of taking these retarded shills word for it.

>>512361774
Oh my fucking god so you (((people))) have no shame?
We know you aren't even human, but fucking hell pretend, if for no other reason than self preservation
The pogroms are going to be brutal, and they're going to be complete.

>>512363895
i've never seen these.. i wonder what that would feel like.. would it snap your legs?
thats very interesting

>>512363803
Then why didn't you post it?

>>512363895
only jewish whore npcs think discussing subjects is bad

>>512363895
that's nuts

>>512362256
Except, you know, kikes are and have been everywhere they could have used them these last 80 years, including Iran? And they actually do have a fucked up rule about killing their own?
Which is probably why they're pushing antisemitic sentiment with their obviously inhuman actions in Gaza so thoroughly now.
They need all their brethren back in the promised land, so they can fulfill the Samson option.
They've already burned the heifers

>>512357239
>*crickets*
OP conveniently missed your post, eh?

>>512364000
Weren't you the kike talking about spoon feeding?
Tap tap tap

>>512364222
No jewish whore, you can't even do your job well

>>512364153
https://files.catbox.moe/v3v0da.mp4

>>512364367
>you can't even do your job well
nice projection faggot

>>512364212
what's there to talk about? Nuclear reactors and nuclear rockets are clearly two different things and former doesn't imply ability to put 20mt worth of boom on a rocket. We could point out how this obvious thing is wrong and you and other guy are stupid for not realizing it yourself, but what's the point

>>512364375
Good point, the camera is untouched by the Armageddon supposedly going on in the background. But then again, jews have been faking everything including moon landing so its not surprising.
>>512364426
you have no argument samefagging jewish whore. Where is the image if it's so easy to find

>>512357059
>don't think about it bro
>that's what the experts are for
expert speaks
>not that expert

>>512356836
Nearly all of Galen Winsor's videos are low views but "sign in to confirm you're not a bot."
Why do you think that is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeXn3JvSWJ4
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+nuclear+scare+scam

>>512356836
Eglin jude

>>512356668 (OP)
If nukes were real the jews would have used them against america and europe. Jews would have nuked every middle east country decades ago.

>>512364604
ill spoon feed ya cunt

>>512364375
>That's insaaanneeeee
Is that was Joe Rogan is normally like? Heh. And this is a popular podcast amongst normies?

>What about the camera?
Ever hear of perspex?

>>512361729
>Aborigines have been complaining about this ever since, saying it poisoned them and their land.
>Are you telling me that Aborigines would make up a story just for sympathy??
No, the Japanese are showing you.

>>512365244
Brucre, why are you so emotional?

https://youtu.be/ztJXZjIp8OA
You can't tell me that's real lol

>>512365242
Great quality mate, are all craters resulting from nukes?
>they tested nukes in wildlife refuge
lmao
>>512365244
>just say the magic word perspex and stop thinking goy
Just ask jannie whores to delete the thread, you're clearly not convincing anyone with those shhit pseudoarguments

>>512361729
>>512361757
was that the cobalt bomb one? if so, they're probably right.

>>512356668 (OP)
these bombs were germany made stolen/war bootied by occupy forces in Europe (Germany surrendered before Hiroshima-Nagasaki bombings); there are pictures with gothic german letters on it
so it explains Manhatten being hot mess
maybe also inconsistences in results as it was based on not jewish principles
apparently Germans managed to had two tests of their own devices, but had no real means to deliver it to meaningful country at the time, USA (hitting London would do shit to war effort, for Moscow had no range)

>>512365761
sauce? interesting claim polackbro

>>512365823
Seconded.

>>512365823
>source: poolack schizophrenia made up universe

>>512365486
how did they fake it?

>>512365761
Nazis were into ufos if anything, they admitted they had no progress on nukes which would make sense if it was all bullshit

>>512366123
It's called hollywood, a university dedicated to deception of visual and audio perception made mass media.

>>512366123
The same way they faked everything else with high enough budget. The zionist governments had a lot of technology they didnt share with anyone for decades until it was obsolete for them.

>>512356668 (OP)

The kind of dumb shit only a zoomer can come to believe. Some Japanese guy with a math background says it is impossible so it can't be true. The Japanese made smart appearing people in anime so this retard must be right..... Honestly, you would think Japanese people would be smarter, seeing as they can talk to actual atom bomb survivors.

Your math friend is probably using a model with a variable that is being held constant instead of something that should be treated as a partial differential of other system variables that change. For example, in a nuclear blast the material undergoes changes which greatly increase the capture rate and multiplicity factor for neutrons in a logrithmically increasing way. As the chain reaction takes off, nucleonic adhesion forces are counteracted by massive amounts of heat and gamma excitation stripping electrons- the material becomes a plasma. Unlike the solid state, plasma can be compressed to achieve mass densities that are 2-3 times that of normal? Have you ever held a piece of uranium? Basically, a piece slightly bigger than a dice used in your D&D games weighs as much as a brick. This dramatically changes neutron multiplicity.
Your friend does hit at something cool though - The challenge with nuclear weapon design is less about energy production and more about holding the material in super criticality together long enough for fission to complete. NThe core of these bombs was only around 14kg, in a sphere that was four inches long: just a bit bigger than the length of the OPs dick; twice that of the cited Japanese guy. The rest of the thousands of pounds of the "fat boy" bomb was meant to keep the material in supercriticality long enough to generate the enormous forces.

If you want to debunk nukes because it was "Jew science," you don't need to. Oppenheimer was egotistical retard who took credit for the work of many great people.

>>512356668 (OP)
I didn’t believe nukes were fake until I watched Oppenheimer and they told me everyone on the project was hired out of jewish nepotism and that the whole thing was them bilking the government out of millions and millions of dollars like it was a good thing and he was a hero.
There’s one scene near the beginning of Nolan’s humiliation ritual where Oppenhimey and the really greasy, hunched, fat, grotesque Weinstein-style troll heeb meet for the first time. He says some kind of exposition, like “oy vey, Oppenhimey, I know the American goyim are very antisemitic but we must go there and build them the mega jew bomb or else Hitler will do the holocaust, which we somehow know about in like 1930.” and the rest of the movie went downhill from there.

kek look at the meme flaggots go
>muh Hollywood
yeah that's why Hollywood films in the late 40's and 50's had special effects that good.

>>512366123
I don't know the details on how they did it, but doing it started decades earlier

>>512366348
it is a very basic MIC vapoware tech that government decided to run with as a psyop
>>512366123
who cares?

>>512366348
With enough logic even official sources are enough to conclude nukes are fake(as many other things, like moon landing). That's why national security zogbots are into deception and destroying human mind.

>>512366475
Charley Chaplin movies had awesome special effects and his era was the golden age of visual special effects. Many talented people were created back then who developed a whole new art of propaganda. :)

>>512366246

Personally I resent the attention given to a few famous Jewish people when the biggest contributors were often non-Jewish. Do you know what a Walton-Cockcroft generator is? In the Oppenheimer film did you notice how they left out the part about who did the first artificial fission. The bomb idea was self evident. Even during the Manhattan project there were guys at places like Bell Labs who correctly conceived the H-bomb. Many of them made contributions, but they were often quite anti-semetic and have been quietly erased from history. Look up the book "Idea Factory" by Jon Gertner.

>>512363803
How will the nuke mechanism survive a grenade shot? Fake a little better and next time do not forget the film sputter from x- and gamma rays.

>>512365823
for tests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/30/books.italy
for germans letter had commie time book about airplanes, was picture of Fatboy, clearly at least one german letter on side; not on hand sorry
I do not claim atomic bombs are fake, just american ones might be germans really; also it was more like firecracker compared to modern megaton ones; still airbursting it just set whole city (mostly wooden) on fire instantly, sturdier stone structures could survive that; typical damage associated with Abombs like crater, glassing of sand would be negligible if any

>>512366348

Yes, the movie is garbage. They ignore many many non-Jewish people and focus on a bunch of people with egos. You are right to question the movie.

>>512366123
>how did they fake it?
Chemical explosions, but at that time they could not fake the roentgen part.

>>512366185
>they admitted
are you talking about them top scientists like Heisenberg being barracked in same building and soft coerced to talk about program? they knew they were recorded
for UFO apparently Pleiadians had hand in giving them info

Holy Space Nukes!! This ones a real nutter!!

>>512366475
With government funding they can make propaganda that looks 10-20 years ahead.

Energy is equal to mass multiplied by the speed of light squared

>>512366928
>aliens
yeah I felt like you were bullshitting, nice damage control attempt though, jewish whore

>>512356929
he's a math guy. what does he know about nuclear physics? ive read the book anyway. definite schizo waffle fest.

strange fact - you can be good at math and also retarded and into dumb shit like this.

hahahaha
just one hollywood film from that era that shows explosions and blast waves and buildings/ trees and shit being hit by blast waves and the heat effect similar to what is seen in the nuke vids

i never claimed movies did not have special effects, nice misdirects though losers

at least the flerfers have nice memes to accompany their bs

>>512359609
its just that these nukes are fake people have badly incorrect expectations from small nukes which didn't even go off fully according to estimates.

they think theres going to be huge craters and radioactive death for 1000 years when a tiny 15kt bomb goes off 600 meters above the ground, because they base all their ideas on watching hollywood movies.

>>512361343
why the big hardon against nukes on rockets? its just a flying bomb.

all this government funding an ability to create state of the art special effects that rival hollywood today and without computers and cgi but nooooo they could never design a camera that could film real nukes that close

lol

>>512367257
>is math related to science
Look another quick reader
>>512367306 see >>512367034 and stop being retarded, jewish whore
>>512367363
>altshually we lied about how nukes work
The same backtracking as with holocaust

>>512367517
>>512367493
checkmate loser

>>512367493
It's much easier to fake a scene than make a physics defying camera that it's completely untouched by the blast wave that vaporized buildings and earthquake accompanying it. Where are those cameras huh? Are they classified technology too?

>>512367542
checkmate what retard? Can you articulate the argument or is it just sucking jewish cock with trust the zionist government that lies about everything else goy?

>>512356929
You are not qualified to assess his qualifications. They just sound good to you. Same with his (((evidence))) and (((proof)))

>>512367595
Bryh, the spacenaut's corpse who filmed Neil Armstrong make his first moon step is still floating around onthe moon....with his hi tech NASA camera firmly gripped to his spacenaut gloves.

>>512367733
>nukes made by jews being fake is totally what jews would want you to believe
Every jewish scam can be observed by a layman whho simply understandable how the world and human psyche works. Most npcs just lack the IQ for that

>>512361670
But they would get M.A.D’ed if they did

>>512367467
because collecting hundreds of tons of explosive and some fissile materials to detonate them is one thing, but actually putting it on a rocket is something else entirely. Nuclear weapon is not just an explosion, but also a rocket that creates explosion where you want it.
As all videos are off explosions and none are of rockets. its clear what's going on

>>512367919
by who? USA? Would France risk kikes nuking it back? What about terrorist did it, which is what they would also try?

>>512367517
you've still said absolutely nothing of substance. just like the retard who wrote the book mentioned in OP. just because a guy is into math doesn't mean he knows the first thing about nuclear physics. the problem is that smart people specialized in one area often think they know everything about everything, and wind up believing stupid shit because of their own arrogance.

if you think 'death object' has anything of value you say then im sorry but you're just a retard...maybe a smart retard but a retard none the less, and one who probably wants to be taken in by crap like 'nukes are fake'.

apparently they didn't have telescopic lenses and mirrors and heat & lead shielding and stabilizers back then to film a nuke but they could fake it.....

so how did they hit the apple house with a blast and heat wave and film it?

by all means sperg about jews in your answers

>>512363149
Nice projection

>>512367517
>>altshually we lied about how nukes work
nope, you just weren't paying attention to anything but movie representations of how they work. thats the problem
>total subject change
the mark of a weak minded retard in a weak position.

>>512367947
who says its 100s of tons? no nuclear bomb is that big. why do you have to talk in these stupid exaggerations?

>>512368248
jeet bro, I understand that you are stupid, so let me help you.
For all we know, every video of explosion took weeks of putting together bunch of explosives to make explosion you see in vide. This is something that is easily doable. However, creating magic super weapon is not as easily doable, and there is no video of that. It is just vapoware.
"Nuclear" explosion is not a nuclear weapon.

>>512368384
>every video of explosion took weeks of putting together bunch of explosives to make explosion you see in video
and yet you've zero evidence of that apart from one photo made public (strange if they want to hide the fact) of a small test of a stand for the bomb. you've no evidence at all that any of this is fake and have zero understanding the subject.
if there was any video you'd just call it fake, like you do with anything else you dont want to believe. THEN you start syaing you've no exclusive evidence and off you go again, refusing to believe things you have your heart set on being fake unless you see it with your own eyes, which you never will.

end of discussion, since theres no evidence you can possibly accept. thats who cultists think.

>>512368570
im not calling anything fake jeet-kun. I'm saying that nuclear explosion is not nuclear weapon, which is factually true. I am saying that there is no a single actual video of a nuclear weapon, which is also factually true. Likewise, my level of understanding has nothing to do with those two statements being factually true. These facts render all video evidence worthless, as we can't say how much effort your made up explosion needed to be made.
As for my own proof, jews supposedly control nukes and nukes supposedly can kill millions. As jews have yet to nuke a city, it is clear that nukes are fake and gay, otherwise jews would already used them dozens of times under various pretenses.

If nukes aren't real why are the only countries ever bullied with war in the modern era are the ones without them?
If nukes aren't real what have all these nuke holding countries been openly testing for decades?
If nukes aren't real why is every other country without them concerned with getting them and why do countries with nukes desperate to make sure countries without nukes don't get them?

Nukes not being real is one of those obviously silly conspiracy theories that I believe it's brought to this board to poison the well and make everyone here look like nuts who's ideas shouldn't be considered seriously.

>>512356668 (OP)
If you can make a dirty bomb why can't you make a nuke
>They are all on it
Is far fetched
Maybe it's just that Americans lied about those first bombs, they are like that

>>512356668 (OP)
But did he say if nukes are gay? I went to Hiroshima in 1992. There was a metal skeleton of a building left standing right at Ground Zero, it's not like it's a secret. I imagine it's still there today. I was hoping I'd get super powers from radiation, or at least have my nads glow in the dark. But alas, nothing happened. Nothing ever happens.

>>512368875
>I'm saying that nuclear explosion is not nuclear weapon, which is factually true
so if a nuclear bomb goes off thats not a nuclear weapon? then what was it? obviously you're playing loose with your definitions here because you are indeed calling all past nuclear explosions fake.
>As jews have yet to nuke a city, it is clear that nukes are fake and gay
you constantly amaze with your retarded 'logic'. amazing. i guess you believe you're one of the few people in the world that knows about the jews, otherwise you'd have to admit that lots of other people know about them too. In that case, you;d also have to admit that, if lots of cities got nuked all of a sudden, people would know exactly where to find the jews that did it (new york and israel mainly). i wonder what might happen then?

>>512368949
of course. its completely idiotic. but im sure these idiots will happily tell you that every single nuclear physicist, and even students of the subject, are all either fooled (while the fake and gayers are not, of course), corrupted by bribery or simply wanting their careers, or threatened into silence.

>>512369214
then the japs must also have all lied about only seeing a few airplanes, shutting off the air raid warning sirens, and then setting themselves on fire.

>>512368949
>If nukes aren't real why are the only countries ever bullied with war in the modern era are the ones without them?
>If nukes aren't real what have all these nuke holding countries been openly testing for decades?
>If nukes aren't real why is every other country without them concerned with getting them and why do countries with nukes desperate to make sure countries without nukes don't get them?
who cares
>Nukes not being real is one of those obviously silly conspiracy theories that I believe it's brought to this board to poison the well and make everyone here look like nuts who's ideas shouldn't be considered seriously.
why are you paying trillions to pedos to go to war with Iran again? Oh yeah, because they have magic sci-fi weapon that they will finish in two weeks, that somehow make it your issue, right retard?
>>512369355
nuclear explosion is not an nuclear weapon, im not sure how is this hard to get

>>512368875
>I'm saying that nuclear explosion is not nuclear weapon, which is factually true.
lol
a nuclear explosion is the result of detonating a nuclear weapon
there are videos on nuclear weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c3k285zRuU

>>512369458
>nuclear explosion is not an nuclear weapon, im not sure how is this hard to get
so what is it exactly? i really dont understand what you mean so its time to explain in detail please. maybe you have a non-retarded point and im interested to find out.

>>512360141
When did you apologize for occupying and oppressing Hawaiians and Filipinos?
Lol, this never occured. Like >>512362146 say, take your meds.

>>512369867
>>>512360141 #
>When did you apologize for occupying and oppressing Hawaiians and Filipinos?

Lol, this never occured and Hawaii is a US state; any attempt to deny this is a act of war against the US.

Like >>512362146 # say, take your meds...and a ticket for a firing squad.

>>512356668 (OP)
>t. dr. chud, MD

>>512356836
How many millions of people say YHWH is real? (he isn't).
Captcha: AKAAK

>>512370202
are you sure your testicles are not glowing?

>>512357367
>Robert F Kennedy Sr, 1960s, watching a 'small nuclear bomb explosion' within walking distance
True, but he died less than 10 years later...

>>512356668 (OP)
Nukes are fake as part of the psy-op.
We are going to get a fake asteroid impact and a fake internet blackout blamed on a fake solar flare.

Relatively Speaking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIyGmw2iM1I

Middle Ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_7XkneVE7Y&list=PLoeKBeKeoPx5quWw74GYIJjVQY4hAxbkf

>>512367210
>nice damage control attempt though, jewish whore
>35 own posts

>>512366596
fake planes
hollow towers

>>512368949
because it's all scripted.
Once they get enough technology to fake aliens and other stupid shit, they will do it.

Clearly just conventional explosives. Not a massive yield mistake because lithium-7 is under the right conditions fertile and able to produce fusible decay products after a a second.

>>512358473
Based

>>512358473
>We have observed hundreds of tests
for argument sake how many you seen IRL? do you know somebody, who seen one IRL?

>>512356668 (OP)
kek, amazing how fast the shills from the airforce base swoop in. Great job faggots, it still doesn't stop the fake that there has not been a new nuclear weapon design since before the year 2000. Boomers in their wisdom compartmentalized the nuke program SO much that we simply forgot how to make them. Fog bank is probably the most famous material that cannot be reproduced and the formula is lost. Half the point of israel (the apollo affair) and others stealing parts during the 80's and 90's was to source materials that cannot be made anymore. Given this and just knowing the degradation rate of the core itself, there is a very real possibility that we only have a hand full of small working warheads left. The idea that ANYONE had or has 10's of thousands of nukes is some cold war boomer fantasy.
And no, I dont care how many "pictures" of random "bombs" that you've seen. You can't tell the difference between tnt and a nuke, and neither can anyone else.

>>512356836
If nukes are real there would be terrorist attacks with nukes already, literal kids have built nuclear reactors in their garages, one who would that large organizations like Al-Qaeda that had both the money and manpower to build them (especially because the science isn't secret anymore) could easily build a nuclear device, not an ICBM just an explosive device they could physically place somewhere and detonate.
Yet they never did, nobody every did.

>>512371080
I like it when REAL thinkers and noticers think and notice.

The hoax is up, the "new age" god of Atom dies....like every other religion.

don't make me start slapping you bitches again

>>512371080
yeah, try get fissible material to do it in first world country (or do tech in lower tier one); there was guy wanting to collect Mendeleyev table of elements, got v&d for like gram of uranium

>>512371431
You'll have hard time getting even just mercury in a 1st world country, we're talking of large "criminal" organizations that could move millions of $ of weapons, explosives and even vehicles, not to mention Russia's lost 100 nukes during the fall of the USSR, you telling me those didn't end in black markets? Nobody cared to buy them? Surely those had all the fissile material needed inside them build a nuclear bomb.

>>512369635
>a nuclear explosion is the result of detonating a nuclear weapon

kek, retard
>>512369719
nukes goes boom
you can boom with no nuke
image of boom not image of nuke, only image of boom
being able to produce a nuclear explosion with unlimited time, materials, manpower and convenient location, and being able to miniaturize all of that and put it on a rocket or a plane and throw it across the world, are two very different things. Imagine I show you an image of completed house and claim I have house making bomb because I have completed house video, and call you stupid because you don't believe in my fantasy house making bomb just because im showing you images of houses.
again, im sure this is very easy to get
>>512371080
nah bro, there's no way some shithole like Italy would ever reach technological heights of *checks* 1940s USSR or North Korea. Everyone know that nukes are impossible to make, despite their process and all materials being very simple to obtain if you have a shit

>>512371080
>If nukes are real there would be terrorist attacks with nukes already,
unless they keep getting stopped, not least because they have generally been quite closely controlled and are trackable because of the radiation.
Also, there i still the obvious point that once someone decides to use a nuclear weapon, everyone else is going to attack those people. doesn't matter if its a terorist group or a country or whatever - those people have homes and families and places they care about, and once they cross the barrier of using nukes, all that is going to get destroyed.
>kids have made nukes in the garage
but not nuclear bombs. thats very different. if you're talking about a dirty bomb then im still not sure what you say is true. the materials are controlled.

>>512371914
you are so utterly fucking stupid that you are not worth a serious reply.

>>512372108
>get btfo
>cry about it

many such cases
please post a video nuclear weapon retard nuke believer :)

>>512371808
Don't argue with Mr FlagOfStupid
You only make yourself look stupid...and it's a waste of time.

>>512371914
right, so like i said above, you are playing around with words to be deceptive. you kept saying that a nuclear explosion isnt a nuclear weapon and that you were not calling nuclear explosions fake, when thats exactly what you were fucking doing.
you should have said 'an explosion that looks like a nuclear explosion isnt necessarily a nuclear weapon being exploded'. and thats true to a certain extent since mushroom clouds happen anyway. but then you have to call all the footage of the really big nukes going off fake, because theres no way those were being faked with piles of tnt.

as for the rest o your pointless waffle, you're simply assuming that all nukes are fake and that you can't place, a for example 100KT bomb on a small rocket because, as you assume, thats impossible because they are all fake.

like i said, there is no evidence you will accept contrary to your stated position. you prefer the fantasy of being the master detective.

Show me one example of a conventional bomb leaving “shadows”

This is one of the stupidest things I've seen. This shit is a psyop like flat earth for sure.

>>512372518
That Banksy cunt is a fucking menace.

>>512372321
saar pls stop punching air saaaar
>you're simply assuming that you can't place, a for example 100KT bomb on a small rocket
the point is that you have no evidence of this. No videos of it. You are just claiming that house making bomb is real because houses are real. It's quite silly.
By all means, post a nuke. Rocket going boom. Im sure this all important weapon has countless documented uses and you are capable of showing me a single one.
>>512372518
uhh nukebros, I thought we agreed we are using airburst meme so we can handwave lack of radiation??

>>512372518
look anon, Imagine I show you an image of completed house and claim I have house making shadow because I have completed house video, and call you stupid because you don't believe in my fantasy house making shadow just because im showing you images of houses.
kek sorry

in a serious reply to your post - that is part of why they taught duck and cover back in the day

Most people who believe in nukes took the vaccine and believe the noon footage from 1969 is real. Not even space is real

>>512372882
>No videos of it.
but that doesn't matter to you since they would all be assumed to be fake. isnt that right?
>You are just claiming that house making bomb is real because houses are real.
im assuming it because lots of people in that industry say its real. same with all the scientists and all the military and so on. of course, you will claim they are all lying for one reason or another, and that you must be the one who is correct, and because you KNOW you are correct, no evidence can persuade you in the other direction, can it?
> has countless documented uses
hundreds of tests by multiple countries and nuclear physicists across teh globe (opps, sorry, dont let that distract you) that no one has ever made an argue to show they are wrong.

especially not you.

>>512371962
>unless they keep getting stopped, not least because they have generally been quite closely controlled and are trackable because of the radiation.
Americans couldn't even track Iran's nuclear plants properly, they just did a PR stunt for Israel a couple months ago.
>Also, there i still the obvious point that once someone decides to use a nuclear weapon, everyone else is going to attack those people.
Sci-fi nonsense, this is not how geopolitics work and has never been a thing before.
>but not nuclear bombs. thats very different. if you're talking about a dirty bomb then im still not sure what you say is true. the materials are controlled.
And a full military/parastatal organization is different than a kid in a garage, they have the scientists, the manpower, the money and the materials to build it, if it's possible to do.

512373201
>can't provide videos of nuke
>b-but you wouldn't believe it anyway!

holy cope
what's interesting is that even after you yourself proved that videos of nukes are nowhere to be found, you keep shilling. This makes it obvious you are not organic /pol/ user. Tell your handler they need to find better glowies.

>>512373285
>Sci-fi nonsense, this is not how geopolitics work and has never been a thing before.
did you miss the massive invasion and occupation of afghanistan after just a couple airplanes hit some buildings?

>>512373543
typical flat earther starts to break the reply chain
>oh i didn't mention flat earth
you dont have to. you are one. it impacts everything you ever say and indicates serious mental deficiencies.
>yourself proved that videos of nukes are nowhere to be found,
ive done no such thing. you can find them yourself if you can be bothered, which you cant because, as i keep saying and you know is true, theres no evidence you can or will accept, is there.

you this to be the case and yet you keep arguing under the false impression that you're a reasonable poster, which you are not. you just have a skepticism fetish. thats all you want to wallow in. you dont care about facts in the slightest.

>>512372766
>>512372882
>>512372907
no examples of burn shadows from conventional bombs. There’s only been millions of bombs detonated surely there would be a shadowing occurrence, why can’t you post one?

>>512356668 (OP)
>He doesn't provide full equations because of "U.S. secrecy laws" probably scared of litigation or getting black-bagged by glowniggers I guess.
So the only falsifiable aspect of his theory is conveniently left out?
Lol.

>>512373021
would toy move alone in first place?

>>512374187
its never been shown, no matter how many years that same anon posts his video.

>>512374113
I would guess it would be in negative, black area with whiter shadow
anyway if walking stick did make shadow too, there should be fuckton of objects making shadows too, trees, dogs, food stands etc