Thread 512366426

>Tariffs fuck economy
>Powell refuses to start printing money and dropping rates to zero again so we can pretend like the economy is good
>Job numbers are shit
>Trump has to call the mexicans back
kek

>>512366426 (OP)
He’s reaching MUGABE status. What a NIGGER.

>>512366515
>He’s reaching MUGABE status
idk man, he's probably just doing what Israel tells him to do, it's not his fault

>>512366426 (OP)
>Tariffs fuck economy
How's that when nobody in the US actually works anymore and everybody just shows up to a job they hate to stand around for 8 hours and collect a paycheck?

>>512366788
>doing what Jews tell him to do
LIKE A NIGGER

>>512366426 (OP)
>We need our slaves or it all falls apart
Nothing has changed in hundreds of years

>>512366515
His ability to be more of a nigger than the literal nigger was is truly astounding.

>>512366426 (OP)
Panicans need to just relax. The shows just about to begin

>>512366426 (OP)
LMAO

>>512369259
Normies going to revolt when all their shit goes up 10-20% kek. Market will be deep red too. Trump is going to gaslight and tell people it's good for them.

>>512369390
Gaslighting requires anyone except gigantic fucking retards who already drink the kool aid to trust you in any capacity in the first place

>>512366874
>How's that when nobody in the US actually works anymore and everybody just shows up to a job they hate to stand around for 8 hours and collect a paycheck?

Cost of living is outpacing wage gains. Many of those jobs essentially don't pay to work.
You can only print so much confetti before people stop working for that confetti. Alot of people assume just pay workers more and pass the costs onto the consumer but that assumes alot, and in many cases that doesn't work just like raising the minimum wage doesn't work. Our monetary system is completely broken. The one sector I see that can generate growth in a stagnant economy is AI, but that's a double edged sword since AI will replace workers. For me, I wouldn't want to be an economist in Politics because we're running out of good solutions. Cut spending = Political suicide, don't cut spending = more stagflation.

>>512366426 (OP)
He didn't say this shit until we see him saying it on video. This thread is ragebait with no source.

>>512369448
he's going to gaslight his retarded cultists is what i meant, maga republicans are the only ones still polling well for him

>>512369544
>wwaaaahhh spoonfeed me

migatards are the dumbest niggercattle to ever exist

>>512366426 (OP)
>Tariffs fuck economy
another gay globohomo orange man bad meme

>>512369390
Tariff price hikes still havent hit consoomers yet becuase none of them have stuck long enough to impact prices
We might see that soon with coffee and beef, though

Lol. Literally the shittiest president in history.

>>512369815
you mean I'll be paying MOAR than 21/lb for strip steak when it was .99/lb in the mid 90s?
no, there are quite simply some people gouging the fuck out of everyone

>>512366426 (OP)
kek, based.
absolute humiliation ritual.

>>512369877
50% tariff on the huehues will drive that up

>>512366426 (OP)
They were never deporting anyone hardly kek. I live in southern Colorado and work in agriculture and it’s illegal immigrants as far as the eye can see and not a single DHS or ICE agent has shown up. It’s all photo ops in California.

>>512369796
>another gay globohomo orange man bad meme
I will give you a real life example of how tariffs suck ass. I'm a drone hobbyist, well the tariffs and import restrictions just completely destroyed the US consumber/hobbyist market. It's dead.
So what are US manufacturers doing? They are getting sub standard components, marking the price up 10x, then selling it to tax payer subsidized buyers like the Police, Government positions and Military. Then you have US Politicians and DonnyJr as Board members of these US Companies and they just invest/buy shares of these companies.
So it's literally just a racket.

>>512369796
>taxes are actually based
migatards came full circle

>>512366515
>Felon
>Multiple kids with multiple wives
>Lives in public housing
>Needs to have everything be gold/display a lavish lifestyle
>Gets shot at
He was already the nigger president before this

>>512369259
>panicans
is that you’re new jewish lingo? already moved on from woke right? what’s next, just call people goyim outright?

>>512369877
>you mean I'll be paying more for something that was less???

>>512370028
>Hobbyist

>>512370366
Woke-Right is only descriptive of Americans born in America, not """"Canadians""""" born in a Third-World shithole.

>>512367003
this, the continuing resolution bill funded israel
overspending the budget annually makes sense when it's all going to israel

>>512366426 (OP)

Nothing you just said was true expect Powell deliberately sabotaging the economy by keeping interest rates artificially high to inclift financial pain on Americans to sabotage Trump despite two Fed governors dissenting for the first time since 1993, that actually is happening but the rest exists only in the mind of Spicolas José Fuentes

>>512366426 (OP)
This is going to break the Republicans for the next 20 years like Hoover's mishandling of the Great Depression. And immigration goes down with the ship, because of the retard right and Trump's idiosyncrasies.

We would be better off if he had been shot and we had President Vance instead of this senile orange Yeltsin.

>>512370903
>.25-.5% official interest rates are why the economy is bad
>10-50% tariffs are a nothingburger

>>512370903
>Powell deliberately sabotaging the economy by keeping interest rates artificially high

What do you want? you want Stagflation or a deep recession?
There comes a point where monetary policy cannot mask the fundamental problems with a credit/debt based fiat system. Those fundamental problems have consequences and both paths ultimately takes mainstreet into the same exact outcome. For the elitist class, who are asset rich, they favor more asset inflation through monetary polciy. Mainstreet is fucked either way.

>>512371434
The MAGA guys sweeping it up for tariffs have such little understanding of these things, I'm inclined to believe they are on disability and genuinely don't understand how these things work

>>512371708
they say things like 'good thing i dont buy anything from tariffed countries'

>>512370033
>nooooo tariffs are taxes, they're not fees foreigners pay to do business here
kys plebbitor
let me ask you, just why is it that you fight for the international corporations?

>>512369534
The problem is that there is only obvious solution. The solution that we used to have. The solution that worked VERY WELL for America for the decades that we were a global superpower:
Tax the rich at a rate of 70% or more. Have laws that prevent the rich from gambling with your savings account. Bust up monopolies with anti trust laws.

These are not radical lefist ideas. These are CONSERVATIVE ideas, they are literally a return to the past.
The five richest men in america more than doubled their wealth in the past 5 years. And everyone else is feeling the pinch. Where do you think all of their new money came from?
This is an inherently unsustainable system. Eventually "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" pushes too many people into the poor category and and poverty gets so intense and widespread that the economy ceases to function because the masses can no longer afford to by the products that the companies the rich own are selling.
We are on the precipice of that shift.

>>512371757
Well, at least tech workers take the W, between Trump crushing manufacturing (why would you tariff raw materials if you want to make American goods more competitive) and repealing the R&D tax code change for citizen engineers from 2017, all the money is going to pour into software and financial services. Big L if you like infrastructure and making physical things.

>>512370513
I love interacting with people who never got past the part I learned in 2nd grade about learning the main idea of a sentence/paragraph
but then again, they dont teach zoomers anything these days

>>512370028
>I'll give you a real life example of me relying on cheap chinese garbage and getting assmad about having to buy my cheap shit from elsewhere

>>512371419
the international jews are who caused this impression of Hoover
same shit different year

>>512372028
chinese drone gear is the best in the world

>>512371757
just answer the question, why are you acting as a foot soldier for international corporations?
back in my day leftoids were against the corporations
now these days you are the corporations willing bitches
its rather bizarre to have watched

>>512369534
There is nothing wrong with the monetary system outside of distribution. It has all the tools it needs.

>>512371941
no, all that's really required is to
#1 end the motherfuckin federal reserve and remand its functions to the treasury where the founders designed it
#2 get all jews and dual citizens out of the government
that's it, that's all that is required. do those two things and everything fixes itself.

>>512372028
>I'll give you a real life example of me relying on cheap chinese garbage and getting assmad about having to buy my cheap shit from elsewhere

I'm giving you a REAL LIFE on the ground example, not this fairy tale narrative pushed by people with bias and profits.
US Consumer drone market = dead.
Special interest US drone market = Caters to taxpayer subsidized buyers at 10x.

You don't like it? tough. This is what you got.

>>512372284
>we've gone too far to ever go back or attempt to correct globohomoisms
>we'll just have to let the jews run roughshod over this country forever
the mentality of some people

>>512372028
China is the only game in town at this point, and rewarding politically connected cronies as tariffs always do, turns it into the American shipbuilding industry. Laughably uncompetitive, just military, and filled with cronyism that you don't see in South Korean or Japanese shipyards.

I do think you deserve to be upset if arbitrary policies make your life worse by pricing you out of your hobbies.

>>512371419
>>512372082
Hoover was an interventionalist liberal anyway not a hands-off libertarian.

Boomers and brown slave labor is inseparable

>>512372357
Negative sum games that reward cronyism are bad, actually.

>>512372357
Tariffs alone without monetary reform, regulatory capture, special interests, Government subsidies only benefit a sliver of large Corporations and in aggregate hurts mainstreet.
What is being disguised as Patriotism is in reality further centralization and control. Want proof? Watch how the US economy/Mainstreet takes a swan dive off the cliff in the coming years.

>>512372379
>rewarding politically connected cronies as tariffs always do
you have no problem with the removal of tariffs having rewarded politically connected cronies 100 years ago?
no problem with the income tax being foisted upon citizens to pay for the connected to have the privilege of not having to pay tariffs?
>y-you cant fix anything if its going to even minimally impact anyone
lol
sorry but you have no sympathy here, there's a grander game at play going on than how much new propellers are gonna cost you cuz you crashed your drone again

>>512372174
back in my day rightoids were against taxes

>>512372535
>you cant introduce any long term fixes because in the short term there is a correction

>>512372280
>#2 get all jews and dual citizens out of the government

You need to stop being blinded by your race war fantasy football bullshit. Those 5 richest men in America who doubled their wealth since 2020? Only one of them is Jewish.
Israel buying up politicians is bad and needs to be stopped, but the fundamental reason our economy is fucked isn't the jews. Its the rich, regardless of what their last name is. Every time you allow yourself to be distracted blaming everything on the jews you are leaving your asshole wide open to still getting the girthy, throbbing cock of the 1% to fuck you again, because you think that being raped isn't so bad as long as the dick wasn't circumsized.

>>512372634
You are arguing against a fundamental flaw with the USD Reserve, it was to our benefit that we offshored and bought from China. It's literally called Triffin's dilemma/paradox. For the right to "Print" and expand fugazi debt, we sacrifice mainstreet in the process. We supply the world dollars through perpetual trade deficits, they then in return buy US Treasuries, this brings yields down, this then allows the Government to spend and "print" more IOU's.
It's a feature of our system, it's not a bug.

>>512372634
Tariffs were removed precisely because, as we see now, politically connected players both legitimate and smugglers were allowed to ignore. Nor do they bring innovation. American motorcycles were still mediocre after tariffs in the 80s.

I'm not income tax fan, but its incentives are far less perverse than tariffs.

>>512372951
this poster is a jew

>>512372980
Imagine if America was a normal country instead of one with the USD, people would be fucking off left and right. Imagine making Europort money, but having to deal with American crime and cost of living. Newsflash: as a multiple of income, housing is more expensive in Europe.

>>512366426 (OP)
I was watching when he said that “naturally” line
That was actual racism lmao
Essentially “The mexicans just naturally pick vegetables, just let them do it”
You cant make this shit up

>>512372951
The US government is not dollar limited. It creates money every time it spends. It does not need to borrow money. It does not need to raise money through taxation (though taxation is an important inflation control mechanism and behavior modifier). If it needs money, it simply creates it.

The money of individual billionaires is entirely irrelevant in the context of government financing. If you want to tax their wealth away because they can use it to subvert political processes, be my guest. There is a good argument for that.

But needing their money? It's laughable.

>>512372280
Other anon had the better solution

>>512373603
And this is why this system sucks. The money supply can keep expanding and expanding but you need to fight interest rates as a result without just simply monetizing it. For a while now the solution was to hire cheap labor, illegals. These people absorb inflation (willing to work for shit pay) and keep working. Because you supress wages, you suppress interest rates by lowering inflation expectations. I.E. prevent the wage-price spiral.
So basically this system can keep going so long as some labor pool absorbs and eats the inflation and still keeps the system running.

>>512366426 (OP)
I'm gonna steal a Mike P/E take here.
There is no reason AI + robots can't pick vegetables and fruit.
We may need a new years of R&D to perfect it but it's totally doable.
We just don't even try because then the white genocide can't happen

>>512366426 (OP)
say the line

>>512373885
I would have been happy if Trump just tried to ween the US from cheap labor because of the negative externalities of low-skill immigration, so we can be at least as automated as Germany. Unfortunately, Trump has idiosyncratic ideas about trade, and his first instinct seems to be firing the bearers of bad news.

>>512371941
A tariff is a tax on the rich.

>>512373885
Creating money expands the money supply. Taxation and paying off debt contract the money supply.
>but you need to fight interest rates
The central bank is a monopoly operation. It doesn't need to do anything with interest rates other than what it wants to do. It can set them wherever it wants whenever it wants.

>>512366426 (OP)
>AF
shut the fuck up, faggot

>>512372535
>Toyota and hyndai agreeing to each build 10 plants in the USA is bad for workers!
You faggots lost
Move on .orgy

>>512374088
you lost, tranny

>>512372668
I'm against taxes, too bad you have to lie to say that tariffs are taxes
but then again leftoids never had a problem discarding honesty for their end goals

>>512366426 (OP)
>zion don goes full Israel
>MIGA zoomers transition to 100% immigrant talk
>zion don manages to torpedo that issue as well
The master. The strategist.

>>512372980
>It's a feature of the system, it's not a bug.
anyone paying attention knows this
>our
but here is where you are very, very wrong
private banks should not have the ability to sacrifice the people of the country so that they can fuck over the rest of the world
Federal Reserve Notes are counterfeit

>>512374261
Tariffs are a tax. They are a tax on the importer. Once the tariff is in place, there are a number of possible outcomes.

The importer can negotiate a lower price from their supplier. The importer can reduce their margin. The importer can pass the cost on to the consumer. Or a combination of those.

>>512374240
lol

>>512374179
>The central bank is a monopoly operation. It doesn't need to do anything with interest rates other than what it wants to do. It can set them wherever it wants whenever it wants.

It isn't a magic wand, to supress rates has to be done through monetization, which is inflationary. The Fed can “choose” any overnight rate it likes, but to actually keep markets there it must expand or contract reserves via its balance sheet. That's why if you want to keep this system going without resorting to monetizing it, you have to have cheaper and cheaper labor. It's structural.

>>512373031
tariffs are what funded a good portion of the government before the globohomo of 100 years ago successfully got rid of that impediment to their profits

>>512374315
So it socialism now.

>>512374486
>keep markets there
Why is this important?

>>512374641
keep the rate markets there, not the stock market

>>512374463
look at you faggots arguing for the continuation of fucking main street over becvause at this point in time someone might have to pay a little more for fuckin drone parts
reminder there are no tariffs when shit's done here at home
you argue like my friend's ex who tried telling him that going out to eat is only a tiny bit more expensive than making shit at home

>>512374782
Yes, I understood what you said. Why would that matter? They can just have a permanent ZIRP.

>>512374486
the fed is a counterfeiting house
0% reserve is 100% counterfeiting
when things like overnight repos, CDOs, etc exist, your arguments are shit because they just make up these vehicles to get themselves around the rules that everyone else has to follow.
the mothafuckin fed cant be ended soon enough

>>512374804
if tariffs are required to make domestic production price competitive then even if you don't 'pay' the tariff, you still pay for it

you also will be taxed buying things that will never be viable or possible domestically

>>512366426 (OP)
>twatter thread + AF post
remember that when AF post says trump said X, trump never said that

>>512366426 (OP)
The job numbers were always like they we knew they were being artificially inflated under Biden with ghost postings

>>512374804
I'm not arguing for or against tariffs -- I'm just explaining what they are.

There is a logic to tariffs if you view the GDP growth leak that reserve currency status can create as a problem.

>>512374839
you can, but it will increase the monetaty supply

>>512374468
yfw

>>512366515
>>512369177
Sure faggots why don't you try and solve this fucking problem? Yeah the answer is for these faggot corporations to pay higher wages, but they aren't going to do that, and Americans aren't going to work for slave wages. How do you fix chicken-and-egg circular problem? Housing is very similar.

>>512367892
Thousands bro

>>512374528
>tariffs are what funded a good portion of the government
That doesn't make them good. It was just something that was easy to levy and collect. Tariffs mostly just hurt consumers, and benefits cartels like Canadian dairy farmers.

>>512374804
Main Street is getting fucked over right now.

>>512375025
Yes, it might increase the money supply. Of course, if the money has to be created anyway not attaching interest to it will create less money.

>>512372253
Retard Alert. How did this guy escape his group home and get on the internet. Or a Rothchild gigakike. Same thing.

>>512366426 (OP)
The only campaign promise of his I cared about (deporting illegals) and he won't even do it after ICE got well funded. Fuck him.

>>512375054
You do that by restricting labor supply, not making other inputs more expensive.

>>512374950
Exactly, if tariffs cause domestic production, but domestic production is pricy, not just in getting it started, but in keeping up with domestic standards and policy, the tariff on foreign products means the materials for production also increase. Price increase comes one way or another. Get ready for "this isn't inflation, this is just what things should cost". The cope will forever be that Biden did something outside of covid which started under Trump which caused inflation and it's all his fault and Trump's tariffs making things more expensive isn't inflation, it's correcting the prices.

>>512374886
>the mothafuckin fed cant be ended soon enough
I'm not arguing against you at all and I am not defending it, I agree its just all abstract forms of counterfeiting.
All I'm simply doing is explaining how this system CAN go on, how it HAS gone on, why wages have gone down. It was to HELP keep interest rates supressed without monetizing it all. People, Labor, wages, are being used as monetary policy. So if wages cannot go down further, and we're at this "Bottom". Wealth doesn't just magically fall from the sky and wagies get paid more, no the bottom completely falls out and shit hits the fan as either A: Businesses can't pass costs onto consumer and shut down or
B: Wage-spiral starts up and interest rates rise and the debt ponzi ends. I'm explaning that we're entering either an end game or something that feels like it.

>>512375099
>Tariffs mostly just hurt consumers, and benefits cartels like Canadian dairy farmers.
holy shit now tariffs benefit foreign cartels
you are too retarded to have this conversation with
tariffs are a foreigner's cost of business here in the USA
but go ahead and keep fighting for globohomo

>>512375351
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Canadian consumers are hurt by dairy tariffs that mostly benefits their Quebecois dairy cartel. I was hoping a non-American example would make this more clear to you.

>>512375104
Also China decoupled from the US dollars. They are going to reject rothchild central banks. They have been buying gold for decades. Remember those cash for gold stores? All that gold went to Chyna. They are getting rid of US treasuries. China is playing the loooong game. They are waiting for the US to collapse because all that star wars and black project wonder weapons don't mean shit in a domestic Civil War

>>512375054
I have a solution.

>>512374468
How old is this coal meme? TRS been straight shitting on Trump nonstop since 2018. Like literally telling people to not vote or vote democrat. When you depart reality too far, these lazy collage memes backfire.

>>512375653
You seem retarded. China is not on a gold standard nor are they ever going to go on a gold standard.

>>512375204
>he won't even do it
he's doing it right now, you retarded fucking nigger

>>512375784
If the world decouples from the petrodollar, it will only be because the US has become so impossible to work with that the trillions of dollars of effort it would take to replace American financial services become worth it.

>>512375653
>Also China decoupled from the US dollars. They are going to reject rothchild central banks.
Yes this is why I am worried. Our fiat system is fucked up but there are pillars that held it up
1: Cheap immigrant labor ->Suppresses inflation -> Allows low rates -> Keeps debt serviceable.

2: Tariffs -> Restrict dollar outflows ->Trigger global liquidity trap -> Undermines dollar as reserve.

3: FED "high rates" -> Expose the debt trap -> Risk mass defaults -> Force eventual pivot -> Break remaining trust.

We're entering spicy times and no, no magic Unicorn is riding in to save the day. This is why you are seeing more Geo-political tensions and rise of BRICS as a monetary escape.

>>512375985
BRICS is fake and gay. It's just China using cheap Russian raw materials. The Russian financial sector is irrelevant. India hates China. Brazil and South Africa will find ways to fuck things up, and the inclusion of SA comes from a period almost 30 years ago before it was apparent that SA was going to hell in a handbasket.

>>512371639
okay Mises, calm the fuck down and no, keeping the rates high is waaaaaaaaaaay more likely to cause stagflation. as it is right now we are seeing modest growth and a slowing of inflation as well as two straight months of a government budget surplus.
so the other anon is right: you're a fucking retard.

>>512376238
Government budget surpluses for a country that runs a foreign trade deficit is not a good thing.

>>512371941
>Tax the rich at a rate of 70% or more.
only a flat tax can work. the byzantine system we have right now only serves to punish regular people and small businesses while MNCs can hire an army of accountants and lawyers to skate past the taxes due to loopholes.
another thing: higher taxes =/= higher revenue. you think like a toddler.

>>512375559
>I'm saying that all the consumers are fucked over by the cartels
precisely why they should not be able to operate tariff free

>>512376238
Cool story, Keynes. Let me know when 2 months of tax receipts pay off $40 trillion and reverse 40 years of structural labor suppression and asset inflation. Until then, we’re still headed toward stagflation or Hard reset pick your flavor.

Lmao. Imagine Xi saying that in China or Modi in India. Only cheek turners put up with this level of abuse.

>>512375784
you dumb fuck china and russia began buying gold hand over fist after 2008

>>512376349
>foreign trade deficit
and another paper recently came out saying that the deficit was reversing as well.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-trade-gap-skids-2-year-low-tariffs-exert-pressure-service-sector-2025-08-05/

it's almost like you guys just make shit up in the face of literally the opposite.
>OH NO HOW DARE NICE THINGS HAPPEN

>>512375985
I look forward to the day the Treasury eats the Federal Reserve completely
there's already enough transgressions on the books to end the fed immediately

>>512369534
They have record profits. They can raise wages. Tariffs have minimal effect on homebuilding prices. Raising wages is the only thing that can possibly help.

>>512376416
it will be curious to see what the akshual debt looks like once all the odious debts are written away

Death to Israel

>>512376416
i'll take the hard reset but as for now I think we need to be around 3.5 instead of 4.5 and that would be healthy and ease debt burdens and also make housing more affordable. if we end up seeing a contraction in the economy, which is likely, it will 100 percent be due to kicking out millions of beaners, but it will also be transitory and we will reach a better equilibrium.

>>512376478
If the trade deficit is decreasing, then it's not necessarily a problem.

But a budget surplus when a country runs a trade deficit means the private sector (that's you) is the one being drawn down from. Most conservatives don't understand the monetary system or even what national debt is -- they think the government is a household and that's their conception of it.

In reality, every liability is also an asset -- this is double entry book keeping. So when the government has a debt, someone else has an asset. E.g. the government owes X dollars in social security payments, if you're receiving social security that's your asset.

>>512376416
Can you explain to the thread why exactly you want to pay off the ~$40 trillion?

>>512376835
The debt isn't just a number on a screen it's a claim on future productivity, taxes, or inflation. If rates stay high, interest crowds out everything else. If rates go low again, we monetize and debase the currency.

We’re not choosing whether to deal with the debt we're choosing how we deal with it. through austerity, inflation, restructuring, or some chaotic mix. But pretending it’s fine because we’ve "rolled it over so far" is how every debt spiral in history ends badly.

>>512376760
ceteris paribus, but I think this situation is a little more unique than your Econ 201 textbook.
I think lowering say...75 basis points will help a lot in this regard. as for the assets, bills and bonds are so ridiculously unwanted and for the most part there are a lot of foreigners who hold those. I'm not asking for some Greenspan negative real rates type shit but I do think a 3.75 or 3.5 rate would be a step in the right direction. honestly 3 percent would be the sweet spot but certainly not overnight. as for trade I think one of the reasons we have that deficit has to do with MFN status, and an economy that runs on unicorn farts instead of actually producing it's own shit. it's insane how people are paying half a million for a house made of particle board in a neighborhood full of niggers and a yard the size of a postage stamp, and at 6.5 to 7 percent annual. fuck this shit.

>>512376835
Because it will swallow the government budget, especially as the US commits to becoming less stable such that future debt becomes more exotic to service. We've seen how that ends in South America, and it's not pretty for the average person.

>>512377102
Crowding out is not an actual thing.

Money has an origin point. It must be created from nothing. The debt structurally has to exist in order to introduce money into the system. Now, if you run a trade surplus that money can come from foreign nations -- but the core point is that every asset is a liability and vice versa. Everything is mirrored. It must all balance to zero. This is called sectoral balances.

>>512377282
Servicing debt is a policy choice. But the government can always afford to pay it because the US government is not. dollar. limited.

The US government creates dollars. It has an unlimited amount of them.

>>512366426 (OP)
>everything is so bad
>all retail stocks are skyrocketing today
>all Big Tech and Mag 7 booming
>Hiring still everywhere
>Economy so good Federal Reserve truthfully cannot lower rates

>>512377390
And then increasing the rate of monetary dilution is good why?

>>512371872
Anon... you, the citizen, the consumer pays the tariff. The company or business owner that imports shit shuffles the cost to the consumer.
The American consumer is being punished for buying imported stuff, in hopes that consumer purchasing power will shift domestic business owners and company's to make stuff domestically.
But that won't work. And also, what happened to conservatives about "muh free market"?

>>512377608
If you stop paying interest on the "debt", are you creating more or less money?

>>512377315
Crowding out isn’t about money vanishing it’s about interest costs eating the budget. At $40T in debt, every 1% rate hike adds $400B in interest. That’s money not going to real investment, just to service old IOUs. The more the Treasury borrows to cover that, the more capital gets pulled from the private economy. That’s crowding out.

>>512366426 (OP)
>Anti trump thread 18732873287 today
Kys shill, herbs

>>512377848
>lots of people are shitting on my retarded father figure, that means he's automatically perfect

>>512377830
There is no such thing as crowding out. Money is not a limited resource. The entire reason people with big money and foreign governments buy bonds is because they know the government is just going to print the money. That's the hook, not the concern.

But again -- paying interest is a policy choice. Maybe it's a good policy, but it's a choice. There is no natural law or law of accounting that requires or demands the payment of interest.

>>512370204
Lol

>>512378168
>hyper inflation isn't a concern
And here you are pretending to be educated.

>>512378580
Is it an actual concern, though? You just had the government a few years ago print off like $960b in direct stimulus checks while lots of people stopped working with large disruptions in supply chains and we still didn't get hyperinflation.

Hyperinflation is pretty much never a product of the government creating too much money. It is almost always because production and supply collapses.

>>512378852
Japan runs budget deficits significantly larger than the US does, had ZIRP for like ~30 years, and couldn't inflate the yen no matter how hard they tried.

>>512378168
The consequences of sovereign debt crises which have happened on numerous occasions in numerous Latin American countries are generally bad for Jose Medio. I think you're a little blase about the risks here.

>>512378852
Can you compare the price of food, let's use beef, from say 2018 to today?

>>512378997
In theory it's not an actual problem if no one wants to buy bonds. Bonds are not a borrowing operation -- remember, governments create their own money when they spend. Why would they need to borrow their own money from the population? The answer is they don't need to do this and they don't do this.

Bond sales are not a borrowing operation, they are a monetary operation. When you spend to a $1T deficit, by identity you have already created $1T of bank reserves. They are already there, they don't need to come from somewhere else. But as reserves pile up in the system, it drives the interest rate to zero. So bond sales are used to drain reserves in support of hitting an interest rate target.

So when Latin American countries have these problems, it is typically a result of insufficient or unbalanced production. They are often heavily reliant on commodity exports and have to import most finished goods.

>>512366426 (OP)
Lmao, told you burgers where entitled.
>>512366788
Its His fault for sucking Kike dick

>>512369544
>He didn't say this shit until we see him saying it on video
he did say it on video you retard. you can't just keep pretending Trump is doing the opposite of what he is actually doing.

>>512376238
If the gdp goes up by less than inflation, how is that growth?
Inflation is more than 5% growth definitely isn't

>>512370366
Saddly that would be the correct term.

>>512377668
>But that won't work.
>for no other reason than its just not gonna, ok?
the tariff is the cost of doing business that foreigners must pay
muh free market is a meme, we all know it is a manipulated market
no akshual conservative (no globohomo) has ever said we should let foreigners in for free and let them trade for free
and then let domestic businesses move their shit overseas all for free so that the corporations can have these benefits and then you the consumer are so duped you think they're doing you a fucking favor by not employing americans, just using them as a cash cow

>>512377830
>At $40T in debt, every 1% rate hike adds $400B in interest
odious debts owed to fraud are odious

>>512378852
>it didnt happen during the covid skim so its not gonna happen at all
at least try to debate in an honest and forthright manner, kid

>>512372357
can you please tell me how are the tariffs benefitting you directly thanks

>>512366426 (OP)
>perform naturally

White women cannot dress up to look like thicc Chel and pretend I'm bleaching natives as Conquistador.

>>512383457
look Juan, I'm one of the most anti globohomo people you're gonna find around here
like my elders believed, we should undo everything the bolsheviks ever did on this planet
a long term fix is a long term fix
if you dont realize we're in the middle of ww3 and the world is on a knife's edge between killing globohomo and a perpetual digital police state stomping on the boot of the plebes forever, you're not paying enough attention
globohomo has never been so close to fulfilling their hundreds of years long goal
ironically they have never been so close to having it all fall apart on them at the same time
the outcome of this will determine the future trajectory of this planet
I know that globohomo swindled away the tariffs so they could fuck americans over moar 100 years ago
I have no problem with them being put back to where they should have been
seems like most of you miss the big picture here and are just whining about some things being more expensive as they keep trying to tell you inflation is only at 4% or something stupid like that

>>512383798
no actually tell me which benefit are you getting from the tariffs

free healthcare? free college? housing?

how do you know the government isn't just taking all that money for themeselves?

>>512366426 (OP)
It's a kind of slavery, but instead of the jews paying to house and feed the slaves the taxpayers take the whole burden. They basically learned this tactic from when the East India company was absorbed into the British Empire. Private profits and nationalised losses.

>>512383893
Government "services" aren't good things. They're slave shackles.

>>512384040
again nigger
tell me who is actually winning from the tariffs

>>512384095
America.

>>512383893
>no actually tell me which benefit are you getting from the tariffs
>and you cant use saving the country from globohomo as a reason
>even though its the primary reason
I'm sorry Juan, you dont appear to understand that correcting and removing globohomoisms is directly setting up a better future for my country?
and you dont see a better future for my country as a direct benefit to me?

i literally cannont understand how any MAGA people still support this dude with a straight face. how. he wasnt kidding, he COULD just kill a man in broad daylight in new york and his fanbase would bend over backwards to justify it.

its just so fucking wild. is he still doing the 15 grand for foriengers to visit the united states? that shit is baffling, it would utterly annihilate the tourist industry and fuck entire states. so many businesses would become insolvent overnight. theres a page on his own website about his own travel agents. hes gonna bankrupt his own travel agents.

wtf is he doing. i guess he did bankrupt like 6 casinos so i guess i shouldnt be surprised but

>>512384296
>I guess he did have a couple failures despite tons of successes that transformed a few million into a billion
>but what's that for an accomplishment anyway
fucking plebbitors go home

>>512383112
You don't know how tariffs work and are unwilling to actually learn from someone who just explained it to you. Now shut the fuck up retard.

>>512384573
>NO ITS A TAX AND YOURE WRONG
lmao, ok plebbitor

>>512384095
Imagine taking the time to argue with a Mexican.

>>512369815
Why in the fuck would you put tariffs on coffee when it isn’t physically possible to grow enough coffee domestically to meet demand? How fucking retarded is he?

>>512384927
remember trump got a seizure when Jeff Bezos was considering displaying the cost of tariffs on Amazon?

>>512366426 (OP)
Hes right. Their short stature means theyre at eye level with many of the crops they harvest.

>>512370903
>Powell deliberately sabotaging the economy by keeping interest rates artificially high
Fucktard. The interest rates need to be substantially higher to counter the 10%+ annual inflation caused by FedGov’s out of control deficit spending.
Rates have been held at ridiculously low rates since 2008 to keep the fake and gay Stawk Market from imploding from the ridiculous debt loads all the zombie corporations are rolling over.

Haha america is fat nigger lover

>>512385304
it's also hilarious because trump is who appointed powell

>>512384418
>a couple failures
yeah just a few casinos

>>512370028
>hobbyist dronefag
>tariffs made my cheaply made chinkshit expensive
I don't think you could have picked a worse anecdote to argue with.

Weird little gay kid lol

>>512366426 (OP)
what Op said

>>512385144
Also their brown eyes can distinguish minor variations in color slightly better than blue eyes. Blue eyes can detect movement better though especially in low-light scenarios. So based on science you can conclude that hispanics are biologically suited to be gatherers, and blue eyed white people are biologically suited to be hunters and explorers.

>>512385647
being able to detect colors slightly better helps them know when something is perfectly ripe

>>512385304
reminder that Epstein helped pioneer CDOs

>>512385449
yeah just a couple out of hundreds
but this is typical for you faggots
like mentioning there's one instance of gun violence and never mentioning the other 68 that were prevented by a normal person with a gun

>>512385932
you know europe has an infintely low murder rate than you and they don't have guns right

I kind of like Mexicans in a way. They seem kind of Metal. It seems like many of them are metalheads too. Cool.

>>512386227
Nice food too.

>>512366426 (OP)
Oh but Anon, zis is not how it vorks at all! If rates are high, it is because ve have ze high growth, as growth causes ze rates, not ze other vay 'round.

>>512378852
printing money is always inflationary in a free market environment, because people within such an environment will simply treat it as inflationary. this is what the biden administration was calling "greedflation," MMTards act like the economy is ran by cold calculating computer algorithms and refuse to take human psychology into account. if an institution or retailer or anyone sees a massive expansion of the money supply, and believes their own reserve/assets to now be relatively diminished as a consequence in accordance with laws of supply and demand, they will hike up prices to make the difference. this is inflationary

or another example, the de-risking of anything debt-based, for instance real estate or healthcare or education, allowing institutions to charge whatever they want and hand out subprime loans they know they won't be on the hook for. this is inflationary

>but just because the price goes up doesn't mean it's infla-

yes it does, fuck off MMTard

>>512386020
yeah look at the knoife crime in britain that has resulted from taking away firearms
tell me Juan, why are you against little old grannies being able to protect themselves from robbers?

>>512386496
nigger please
if someone comes and points a gun at me the last thing I'm going to do is to try to reach for a weapon dumbass

you're the kind of retard who thinks a person can defeat a drug cartel with a pistol

>>512386458
>the de-risking of anything debt-based, for instance real estate or healthcare or education, allowing institutions to charge whatever they want and hand out subprime loans they know they won't be on the hook for. this is inflationary
all one needs to go is look at the cost curve over time of these expenses
back when I was in college it was like 2500 a semester
but then uncle sugar guaranteed student loans and away the tuition went into the stratosphere

>>512386610
>you can only be robbed at gunpoint
the reason you beaners pick all the lettuce is because the thinking is the job of people with triple digit IQs

>>512386736
sorry even your criminals are low IQ mongrels

>>512373885
So the US is practically Locked in needing slaves 24/7?

>>512386894
when has farming not ever been done by slaves?
americans are just delusional if they think they can give a "fair wage" to 330 million people

>>512375901
Isn't that what is happening right now?

>>512386939
AI and robots will replace you beaners before too long anyway

>>512387050
hilarious because automation doesn't solve the cost issue
the cost issue is solved with cheap labor

>>512387016
Yes, and that's why Trump's second term has been a disaster. He's making multiple structural problems worse.simultaneously.

>>512386939
fuck out of here maybe the agriculture sector shouldn be owned by giant corporation who just want to maximize profits and make cheap GMO magic food for their fast food slop
what Trump really meant is American don't want to work like slaves for schlomo in their industrial farms but the mexican who's paid 10 times more for it will do it
because it is what is at the end of the day
the mexican is going to send remittance to his country and it's going to be worth a fucking fortune
the pesos is 1$ for 0.05 USD
do you understand the real salary of that mexican?
if that stupid job allowed you to be rich back in your country would you go do it 6 month a year?
probably yeah

>>512387250
>a mexican can afford to live on a slave salary in Mexico
>an american will never be able to afford a house with an average salary in america

tell me who are the real slaves LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>512387331
I don't find it funny.

>>512387431
hey zoomer at some point in your life you'll realize the best thing you can do is laugh about tragedies

>>512387532
maybe when you're older you'll understand irony

>>512377668
>you, the citizen, the consumer pays the tariff. The company or business owner that imports shit shuffles the cost to the consumer.
that's not set in stone.
1) the importer can negotiate lower prices with the exporter thus effectively passing some of the tariff on to them
2) the importer can raise their resale price thus passing some of the tariff to the consume
3) the importer can also eat the tariff out of his own profit margin

in reality, it's some combination of all three of these and the exact dynamic will be specific to each individual export/import/resale arrangement. this is what economics papers on the topic actually say, not "consoomer pays entire tariff." it's variable and highly dependent on the exact good and market.

>>512387808
I'll tell you a thing anon
the producer doesn't eat the tariff
in any case he'll sell you a now shittier product to make up for the loss in profits

>>512366426 (OP)
Pic Rel is the only real solution that will let us avoid revolution/civil war.

>>512387808
>3) the importer can also eat the tariff out of his own profit margin
Which means laying off Americans or reducing wages/hours - aka passing costs to the consumer

>>512387808
The consumer always ends up paying for it in the end no matter what. Either they pay more in $ sense, or pay for inferior product. Things imported into the US are already dirt cheap, how much cheaper can it realistically get?

>>512387175
>automation doesn't solve the cost issue
ahahahahahahaha
yeah anyway, nobody was accusing you beaners of being intelligent

>>512384850
Yes it literally is a tax, an import tax. Tariffs don't work like they did back in like 1860 anon. Things have changed.

>>512389382
>import taxes and regular taxes, these words can just be used interchangeably and nobody will have an issue with context
>we're just being taxed more by th3e fedgov, its totally an honest representation, trust me

>>512387242
Define "disaster"
Cause I see the jews an /Pol/ extremely happy with the results

>>512366426 (OP)
How about we get rid of fake work jobs and instead put the finance into these agriculture jobs that supposedly need doing. This is about pensions isn't it? He doesn't want people expecting a 401k or social security in the future.

>>512389566
Yes they are synonymous nowadays because the US economy is a consumerist- service based economy. And everything the US produces exports in large quantities to specific areas of the world. It relies purely on import and exporting. Domestic spending on domestic "stuff" isn't that high its mostly spent on things like food, transportation, Healthcare, housing, entertainment, and a lot of those specific fields inport a lot, which now makes everything else more expensive.

The incentive to tax more on imported goods isn't some rocket science scheme, it's simple. Tax more, to sway public spending habits which will cause businesses and company's to find cheaper alternatives.

>>512369390
Normies don't do anything unless prompted. They are followers. They literally let their race be exterminated and even helped because, ultimately, they were prompted to.

>>512376377
Unironically what also bankrupted Byzantium

As long as jews still hold USA in their deathchoke, any and all discussion will be moot.

>>512393674
/thread

>>512393647
And we are unironically gonna be in the same boat
>war breaks out.....but reinforcements won't come fight for a corrupt currency

I'm simply tired of the games. I don't care if the solution is the total extermination of satanists (jews/freemasons/IOOOF). If that is what it takes so be it.

I will say this much - I will NEVER be a viable witness should any crimes against these traitors occur. At most I will point and laugh as they get Luigi'd

>>512388757
>literal retard cope
you think the courts will help you?
you think that even if they did everyone would listen to the courts?

the real problem, the real actual problem, is retards like you that cope endlessly instead of sacrificing your useless corpse to attack the jew
you do not have the genetic make up of a thinker, but you pretend to be because the jew encourages your delusional ego

>>512393876
>vitriol and pilpul without an ounce of perspective
The point is - get the word out first. Let the Commoners share a vision and a noble goal - evil parties from any side would oppose this (and reveal themselves)

It is time for the Normie to awaken. Now go back to your JIDF fedposting you kabbalist faggot fuck

>>512369534
Wages are being suppressed artificially. This is why there is a flood of Pajeets that Trump won’t even talk about. He needs them to do three things: take up housing, lower wages in tech jobs, and pay into SS/Medicaid without retiring here. This is why the green cards have a 100 year wait but the poo keeps flooding in.

If he deports the poop people, wages go up and suddenly we can start to buy assets that were formerly used to prop up rich people’s wealth. Put pressure on Trump. Call your Congressman. Send a letter to the White House.

Tell them that the “legal immigrants” are worse than the illegal ones. Tell Trump to deport the fucking H1Bs and shut off that whole system. It only hurts his tech CEO enemies and puts America and Americans first.

>>512394301
Also,
>treat jeets and spics like the genetic trash they are
White people have been too nice to immigrants for too long. Also, it takes almost nothing to bankrupt one of their shitbox establishments. >Supposedly a few bags of toothpicks flushed down a toilet will result in a 50k+ plumbing bill that isn't covered by insurance.....

>>512394301
All of the congressmen you want to 'call' have pedo blackmail tape that israel is waving around to subjugate them into submission. On top of a million bucks of bribe each from AIPAC.
Can you compete with that?
By now, you should have known that none of these problems can be solved with words anymore.

>>512394775
Of course we can. Literally what can Israel do if their primary weapon is blackmail that Trump already has in his control? Samson Option? Yeah that’s a great way to get Israel obliterated from this Earth. Israel can’t do shit. What could they possibly show us that we don’t already accuse politicians of doing?

This idea had to come from a Yuropoor.

>>512394097
the word has already been out for decades
NO ONE CARES
the normie does not awaken and everyone who isn't a fucking retard knew that the whole time, for thousands of years
That truth is what this system is built on.

you are a jewish bot, they are the only ones who say all those buzzwords

The only solution is to collapse society by force.
The goal isn't just to exterminate the jew, but to exterminate the 'normies' that enabled them (you)

>>512395756
Drump himself is controlled by israel you maggot-brained MIGAers
The whole Epstein debacle is israel dick-waving him with the pedo tape threat into sending them 1 trillions more gibs and bombs.
You and the country's well being is the last thing in hos ZOGged mind.
He knows you're too stupid to realize or do anything, hence why the HB1jeets are there.
Because the jews knows you won't do shit.

And this is a good thing.

>>512388757
>>512394097
good posts. thank you. i sense your noble spirit through your posts.

also remember that fraud vitiates ALL contracts- and all contracts under the current central banking system are made under fraudulent pretenses.

>>512395774
it's impressive how quickly people like you are programmed to detect a threatening idea or poster and to respond with thought-terminating cliches

why do you always jump right to violence? as he said, you expose yourself right off the bat. it's like the idea of people coming together for a vision of a better world causes you to recoil and hiss like a snake.

captcha: D0GGG

>>512396748
So. They fraudulently stole your money.
What are you going to do about it?
Ask them nicely?
Serious question.

They are willing to use force to steal your money and your foreskin.
Are you willing to use force to get back your money and your foreskin?

They are willing.
You are not.

This is why you lose, and they win.
The willingness to use force.

>>512396881
>>512396748
bot

>>512369534
why would cost of living be affected by tariffs? the biggest living expense people have to pay is rent/mortgage, which has nothing to do with tariffs, and the second biggest expense is food, which is also domestically produced. literally the only thing I've bought this year that's subject to tariffs is lightbulbs.

>>512397610
Market is interlinked, like a web. Ripple effect.
2008 recession is caused by housing loan scam crisis, yet it affect everybody in all field.
You'll understand after you grow up and got out of your mom's basement.

>>512397610
You need a car to work and cars got more expensive, for example.

>>512397994
my car is a piece of shit from 2014 and even if I had to buy new tires or something that's still a drop in the bucket compared to what I pay for rent.

>>512398141
You're either a poor jew, or the dumbest goy alive.