I grew up as a pastors son, went to private Christian school, and worked in the church for years. I have more theological education than most pastors. The absolute level of hypocrisy in the church is blood boiling. If you people who tithe could see the absolute waste that takes place with your donations.

Some pissant associate pastor wants a brand new 5600.00 desk because the last desk he got 3 months ago (4800.00) didn't have as cool of a pattern? They get maintenance to haul it to a dumpster and just junk it. I'm not even joking.

Christianity has not built the west. White intelligence and muscle did. The west thrived in spite of Christianity, not due to Christianity. Europe was at its strongest under Pagan Roman rule.

Christianity has given the keys to castle to Jews who openly hate us and have imported the entire world with the explicit goal to make our lives a living hell.

There is not one single issue that Christianity, as a whole, has not cucked or compromised on. Christianity would be like if someone 6000 years in the future found a 1980s Marvel Comic and started worshipping the Hulk. The first half of the Bible was literally just kike fan fiction, with much of it directly stolen from much older Sumerian text, like the flood story. The New Testament was literally just a psyop. The Shroud of Turin all you paypigs went on and on and on about? Its been exposed as a total fraud by the same people who presented it.

it's all fake and gay. I'm not an atheist, I feel like there is a God, but he's unknowable in this life and maybe the next if there is a next. I do know its not the demiurge that all the Abrahamics worship.

If Christ was who he said he was then his church wouldn't be so fucking demonic and retarded.

Shut the fuck up

>>512368577 (OP)
You were never a Christian, you literally cant even identify the doctrine of the Gospel. Just whining about seeing sin. You need to start from scratch and read John, Acts, Galatians and Ephesians
>The west
You're lost on Earthly idolatry. Seek help from Christ.

>>512368577 (OP)
Nice try, kike

>>512368577 (OP)
You type like a woman and think we should care about your opinion like a woman

>>512368670
>>512368703
>>512368713
>muh heckin real christians correcting the record about their 2000 year old tribal desert blood magic deity

>>512368577 (OP)
Christianity itself is a Jewish Psyop, then turned into a Roman psyop when Constantine the great syncretized it with the Roman gods and turned Christ into the equivalent of Sol in their pantheon.

Its all just psyops all the way down.

>>512368843
stfu kike everyone knows jews arent actually jews

>>512368577 (OP)
BASED. All true.

>>512368670
>>512368703
>>512368713
>>512368758
>Christcuck spam bots show up immediately to shut down the truth

>>512369077
>y-y-you type like a woman
>now let me appeal to social consensus like a woman

>>512368577 (OP)
Priest's son, the devil's grandson

>>512368703
Bro you just need to read part 3 where the Hulk comes back to defeat Galacta! God you weren't even a true Hulkstian. lmfao trust me bro.

>>512368703
>You need to start from scratch and read John

>>512368577 (OP)
A christian is person saved by God's blood shed on the cross, but that's not you:

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” (1 John 2:19)

You're slandering God's word and judging God by somebody elses' evil actions done in His name, despite said evil actions being openly condemned by God in the bible. Very dishonest, but that's the natural man at work.

>>512369472
blood magic sounds man-made and not something an omnipotent being should be doing

why im not a christian;
>book involves israel
yeah im out

>>512369472
The demiurges word says that jews are gods chosen peoples and that white people are dogs. I think your worshipping Satan bro.

>>512368577 (OP)
sounds like you've just been around a bad church or two and think everything is like that.

>If Christ was who he said he was then his church wouldn't be so fucking demonic and retarded.
totally false. the visible church is a mix of true and false believers and will be until HE comes back and sorts things out. Christ said this.

>>512369357
Do you even know who Samaritans are you dog? They were Pagan/Jew half breeds, and they combined Yahweh worship with pagan rituals. So they did not really know what they were worshipping.

>>512369609
Not in the bible, none of my problem.

>>512369148
struck a nerve didnt I kike

>>512368577 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

>>512369785
Jesus = Je Suis

>>512368577 (OP)
Welcome home brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OhaGk_Zfsg&list=RD8OhaGk_Zfsg&index=3

>>512369757
it is in the Bible you absolute retard.

>>512369785
>>512369860
oh i love the schizo word games! Oh oh, here's one: JEDI = JEsus DIsciple!
got any more?

>>512369942
Chapter and verse.

>>512369557
When you know how ancient religions behaved and that they did crucify ppl in that manner, and eat their flesh and drink their blood, it's hard not to see how the Christian right of substituting that with water and bread isn't heavily inspired. Especially considering the most savage regions (Africa, the pacific islands and the americas) were wholly unknown and yet they all practiced actual blood magic.

>>512369757
in fact JESUS said it lmfao

>>512368577 (OP)
Welcome home.

Seig heil
HEIL HITLER
SEIG HEIL VIKTORIA

>>512369609
Jesus blessed the Roman centurion and says that Roman had greater faith than anyone in Israel.
The woman he likened to a dog was a Canaanite, if you knew anything about the Bible you'd know God had commanded the Canaanites be genocided. And Jesus still blessed her when she showed faith. Also are whites canaanites now?

>>512368703
This. I love Christ but I hate the antichrist. Christ is king and the ancient israelites were white and kindred folk

>>512370013
Jesus did, but neither the name nor the concept of a demiurge appears anywhere in the bible.

>>512369974
Mathew 15: 21-28

>>512370068
No, but ancient hebrews spoke caananite and were probably caananite themselves.

>>512370068
>murder their children through abortion
>worship money and false deities
but they arent
>hated by god
so no they aren't quite canaanites yet

>>512370120
Again, no demiurge.

>>512370072
>ncient israelites were white and kindred folk

>>512370230
Muhammed was a jew and a ginger. Gingers are whites.

>>512368577 (OP)
>The west thrived in spite of Christianity, not due to Christianity. Europe was at its strongest under Pagan Roman rule.

Try telling this to Christians, esp pastors who never had an original thought in their heads. They litterally go cross eyed trying to wrap their heads around it. It was armies of Christian monks that tore down the splendid Roman temples and smashed the beautiful classical statues according to the imbecilic dictates of their evil insane Canaanite religious preceptors.

>>512370330
The ancient christians were no different from modern muslims invading europe

>>512370330
It may have been stronger but rome devoured its own people too and was so well practiced in exposing their kids (abandoning them) that by the end the romans were Syrians.

>>512370093
Jesus was either a fraud or an Avatar of the demiurge. Of course its not in the Bible. The Demiurge isnt a holy being. it lies.

>>512368577 (OP)
>I grew up a pastors son
So protestant.
Yeah, I understand that frustration.
Protestants are the ones who allow gay women to be priests.

>There is not one single issue that Christianity, as a whole, has not cucked or compromised on.
Since you want JUST ONE, then here:
The Catholic Church has been consistently anti-abortion since its inception. They're also against the things leading up to abortion: premarital sex, birth control (because it allows people to have sex casually and then inevitably fails leading to unwedded pregnancy), etc.

>Shroud of Turin is a fraud!
I regret wasting my time on you, it's obvious now you're jewish. 1PBTID

>>512370525
What do you base this claim upon?
I dont believe in any abrahamic faith so im just curious.

>>512370525
Retarded bs pulled out of some loser's ass.

>>512369589
>yeah im out
Bearded jews wearing bedsheets and sandals blabbing endlessly about their squalid meaningless struggles in the middle of a parched wasteland populated with ugly genetic deviates. They ride camels.

When I was 4 I got this big fat book of bible stories. What a disappointment. I wanted books on the early American space program, the Mercury program not some ugly losers squabbling about what is going to happen to us after death, which no man has ever or could ever surmise through reason or logic. Theology esp Christian theology is such a slimy devious and laboriously erected palace of turds.

Theologian; reach eschatological conclusions of immense importance to one's own world view and the fundamental purpose of civilization by cobbling together disparate quotes from all over the Old and New Testaments that have no possible association with one another except to fulfill the imperatives of the theologian's politico, sociological and selfish financial interests and advance the ambitions of his squalid party camouflaging itself as a place of divine worship and spiritual elevation.

>>512370330
Europe was clearly strongest right around the time they started pushing the muslims back starting with the 1st crusade right through to the time when feminism and socialism (i repeat myself) began to erode that strength. Between the french, british, dutch and some small showings from the belgians, Europe controlled most of the earth for hundreds of years.

>>512370579
a guy who literally worships a dead kike calling me Jewish is hilarious

>>512369687
Samaritans worship the first five books of the Old testament. They strictly obey the religious laws of Leviticus. They are the merger of two tribes of Israel, I think Benjamin and Manasseh during the time of the captivity of the Judeans.

>>Samaritans reject the Oral Torah (Talmud) and the sanctity of Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, instead worshiping exclusively at Mount Gerizim. These deviations are irreconcilable with Orthodox Jewish doctrine, which holds that the Oral Torah and Jerusalem’s centrality are divinely mandated 36.

The Samaritan canon is limited to the Pentateuch (Torah), while Judaism includes the entire Tanakh and rabbinic literature

So even as a Christian this makes them superior to jews. They renounce the Talmud. Good.

>>512369860
kek

Amen

er...Amen Ra that is.

>>512369860
Pearls before swine. It's all wasted on you anyway.

>>512371287
The samaritan pentateuch isn't the exact same as the Torah. It's a perverted version of it modified to legitimize a legal claim to God's promises, which they do not naturally possess.

>>512371405
that's horus you fucking retard

>>512370072
If the ancient Israelites were white, then it was a good think they murdered Jesus because he was a total fraud, who didn't fulfil a single prophecy. People who insult my aryan Hebrew brethren Yahweh by pretending to be the Messiah, deserves to be executed.

>>512368577 (OP)
So which doctrine you choose next? I love converts you're like a living proof of how retarded and subhuman you are

>>512371691
Why wouldn't they posses a claim? Seems like the babylonian interlopers would be the ones without a claim since the Samaritans never left.

>>512371056
Carolingian architecture at its best was mere piggeries compared to Greek and Roman architecture at their peak. And if that's not enough for you the Roman empire could bring hundreds of thousands of soldiers to the battlefield over its vast empire as opposed to mere tens of thousands under the Carolingians.

Once the bureaucracy of the Empire was finished (exactly at the same time Constantine converted the empire to Christianity) you had a feudal system which at best could only provide hastily assembled amateur armies for a few weeks of desultory and uncertain warfare in the summer rather than Rome's full time professional armies that could fight year round.

>>512368577 (OP)
>I grew up as a pastors son, went to private Christian school, and worked in the church for years. I have more theological education than most pastors. The absolute level of hypocrisy in the church is blood boiling. If you people who tithe could see the absolute waste that takes place with your donations.
>Some pissant associate pastor wants a brand new 5600.00 desk because the last desk he got 3 months ago (4800.00) didn't have as cool of a pattern? They get maintenance to haul it to a dumpster and just junk it. I'm not even joking.
>Christianity has not built the west. White intelligence and muscle did. The west thrived in spite of Christianity, not due to Christianity. Europe was at its strongest under Pagan Roman rule.
>Christianity has given the keys to castle to Jews who openly hate us and have imported the entire world with the explicit goal to make our lives a living hell.
>There is not one single issue that Christianity, as a whole, has not cucked or compromised on. Christianity would be like if someone 6000 years in the future found a 1980s Marvel Comic and started worshipping the Hulk. The first half of the Bible was literally just kike fan fiction, with much of it directly stolen from much older Sumerian text, like the flood story. The New Testament was literally just a psyop. The Shroud of Turin all you paypigs went on and on and on about? Its been exposed as a total fraud by the same people who presented it.
>it's all fake and gay. I'm not an atheist, I feel like there is a God, but he's unknowable in this life and maybe the next if there is a next. I do know its not the demiurge that all the Abrahamics worship.
>If Christ was who he said he was then his church wouldn't be so fucking demonic and retarded

>>512371834
>So which doctrine you choose next?

You see? This is how stupid you are. You assume that we need a "doctrine" and that if we don't have one we're so fragile our entire consciousness will disintegrate into chaos and disastrous moral and spiritual collapse. Nothing could be further from the truth. We're not sheep. We don't need a pastor, a shepherd. Sheep are disgusting despicable creature. What good are they? Oh that's right, to get fleeced by their shepherds. Hmmm not really my agenda.

>>512371899
Kinda nice but no rival to the classical Romans or Greeks.

>>512371899
Yeah but was the world a better place when 80% of it was slaves and the soldiers would have their homes stolen by rich ppl as they off campaigning to protect rich peoples interests? Was having a giant globohomo empire that destroys its own ppl and replaces them a good thing? Was it better when the normal mode of child rearing was to abandone todlers to die or be picked up as sex slaves? Rome left cool stuff but it would have blown to live there unless you were mega rich.

>>512368577 (OP)
>1 post by this ID
>54 minutes ago
Fuck off jew

>>512368577 (OP)
And moving to what?

Oh the kike religion which is either Judaism or atheism, or maybe the dirt shit muslimes religion which is shitlam.

Oh maybe the poos who worship a guy whose name means black.

Oh maybe the gooks and chinks with their oh wait they are just like niggers and worship their shit ancestors.

Oh which way will anon go. Any way they choose will be shit because they are a non-thinking retard just like the other retards all replying to “””help””” their fellow retard.

>>512368577 (OP)
Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummy

>pic related

>>512368577 (OP)
The Beast "Christians"
are the modern Pharisees.
The Beast "Christians" emphasize being saved
by Jesus' death
because they have no Spirit in them.
Jesus words are life and Spirit (John 6:63),
but they don't ever think about what Jesus even said.
The Beast "Christians" are the worthless slave (Matt 25:30),
but instead of burying their talents in the ground
or taking it to the bank,
the Beast "Christians" gorged themselves on goyslop,
and gave the rest to the Synagogue of Satan.
The Beast "Christians" say they are saved,
but hate the words of Christ.
They think they are saved,
but they hate the Spirit.
Jude was written for the modern Beast "Christian."
Jude is about everything they believe.

>>512372141
But you do need it. Blue haired trannies who cut their dicks off are exactly the same product as religicucks with just a different doctrine. You are all inferior to me. Organized religion lmao I hate you subhumans so much

>>512368577 (OP)
real christians are on mount athos praying 24/7. you were just larping

>>512368577 (OP)
Christianity does seem like the weak sister of religions. Especially for men.
Islam has a lot more to offer young men

>>512372236
You just described every white Christian country in 2025 far more accurately than you described Rome.

>uses this tired pic
>mfw

>>512372366
the Shroud of Turin is commonly known to be a fraud. The Deacon who put the lie forth admitted its fraudulent.

>>512368577 (OP)
>1pbtid
lol

>>512368577 (OP)
you are and idiot

>>512372891
No it's a far more accurate description of the late republic/early imperial phase of Rome. Americans don't whip you or cut body parts off in public if you refuse to work.

>>512368577 (OP)
Glad you could be enlighten on the true nature of the Golem cult, OP and wake up from the hypno fairy tale situation.
Yes, everything is humans, including the spiritual philosophies that are not per say religious like Bhuddism.

>>512373207
Kek, here you go the kike kvetching for losing another cattle head from his cattle slave cult.
Many such cases.
Anon is a real Man now, parasite and you cannot do anything about it.

>>512370068
Lol the centurion must've thought Jesus was like some local pagan wizard.

>>512368577 (OP)
I'm with you. Kind of crazy with your example

>>512369860
Jezus-Je zus-your sister
Zomg new conspiracy unlocked

>>512368577 (OP)
there is no God and it is all fake and gay

you all can believe if you want, but the best proof that it is all fake and gay is merely time. nothing in any religious scripture has come true in thousands of years. the Bible, Quran, Torah, whatever - nothing at all. people have prayed for centuries for things to get better and guess what? it's still all the same. martyrs for all religions have died but guess what? nothing ever changes.

there are no miracles, no more "prophets", hell, there's not even any more new religions appearing - which is odd, since this happened ALL THE TIME in the past. think of all the various religions that have been believed, even well before the time of Christ. why are there no new ones now? could it be because it's all fake and gay and merely created to satisfy unanswerable (at the time) questions?

since logic never comes into play for religious fags, only faith, i know they'll invent tons of excuses and cope about all of this, as they always do, but the fact of the matter is that nothing has ever come true from any of the scripture, and likely never will.

>>512368577 (OP)
k bye

>>512368703
>start from scratch and read John
Mark was written first. John is where they started inventing shit about Jesus being God. None of that was in the Synoptic Gospels.

>>512371899
what a load of trash.

>>512372554
autistic pasta poster detected.

https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/text/jesus%20real%20person%20dummy/

>>512368577 (OP)
What sect are you in? Is there something obviously wrong with you?
(calvinism/ overly liberal/ no set bible/ not KJV/ no soulwinning/ female pastor/ lordship salvation/ works salvation/ preterism/ oneness)
or is it an actual church?
>If Christ was who he said he was then his church wouldn't be so fucking demonic and retarded.
I know unsaved people can't understand the bible, but you'd think you'd have heard romans 7 preached on at least once

>>512368577 (OP)
Organized Christianity has corrupted Christianity from the inside thats for sure, I think the zionist Christians to be undercover Jews faking it as Christians for the money

>>512368577 (OP)
Jesus is a White man, Israelites are White people - not related to you mixed mulittude of Turko-Mongolian Edomite Jews.

Note; if they can't attack the subject matter, they will attack the source or the motive. Wicked liars and snakes, the lot.

>>512374033
its more likely that the pauline letters were written first, or perhaps during the same period, as Mark and those are full of Christs Deity

>>512374173
Southern Baptist, but its all fucking retarded.

>>512368577 (OP)
1pbtid

>>512368577 (OP)
Too much texto rabbi.
And Christ is King

>>512374366
the SBC has some of the worst unchristian pastors around. the ones into the big mega churches and the big money, along with the big heresies and Bible twisting.

>>512374355
>its more likely that the pauline letters were written first
Yes, and the first ones don't mention Jesus being God, only the later forgeries do. Mark, Matthew and Luke used the epistles as source material, that's why Jesus is never mentioned as being God.

>>512374456
not sure, but maybe this was OP under a different ID since he appears to be answers a question aimed at OP.

>>512369357
jews then =/= jews after rejecting Christ, the rest of John and the other Gospels make this clear
From Luke 20
>Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.

>And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.

>And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.

>And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.

>Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

>But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

>So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?

>He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
The man who planted the vineyard is God, the husbandmen are those of Judea, note the reaction from the Pharisees and recall what happened in 70ad

>>512373619
i mainly disagree with the op claim that religion didnt built yurop; thats just factually wrong
>but muh greek kulture
yup indo european tradition is deeply inspired from the Hebrew narative cry as you will.
>parasite and you will
filthy monke projecting again. kys, incomprehensible coward.

>>512368577 (OP)
Judaism and the Jewish Talmud is Canaanite and Babylonian child burning religious doctrine. It’s exactly the opposite of the Torah (the Christian Old Testament).

4000 years ago, God commanded the Israelites to genocide the Canaanites because of their Moloch worshipping child sacrifice religion. He didn’t want it infecting the Israelites. They didn’t do that and now we have Judaism and child raping Moloch worshippers.

The Canaanites practiced child sacrifice to Moloch/Baal by burning their own sons and daughters alive.

Imagine what must be missing from your human instinct to actually burn your own child to death. What would it take for you to burn your own child alive?

Is there anything human in people who would do such evil? This must be one of the reasons that God commanded that the Canaanites be genocided? Which the Hebrews failed to do.

>Writing in the 4th century B.C.E, the Greek historian Cleitarchus said of the Carthaginian practice, “There stands in their midst a bronze statue of Kronos, its hands extended over a bronze brazier, the flames of which engulf the child. When the flames fall upon the body, the limbs contract and the open mouth seems almost to be laughing until the contracted body slips quietly into the brazier. Thus it is that the ‘grin’ is known as ‘sardonic laughter,’ since they die laughing.” (trans. Paul G. Mosca) “Kronos” was a regional name for Baal Hammon, the chief of Carthage’s gods.


https://biblereadingarcheology.com/2016/05/13/did-the-canaanites-sacrifice-their-children/

If you would burn your own child alive, is there anything you would not do? Would you even think twice about using other people's children for sexual blackmail?

>>512372954
...and you’re a liar.

>>512374366
Southern Baptist churches are complete trash, I understand how you'd think it's all trash after seeing and living with that.
Give NIFB stuff a try when you've cooled down from that, I think they're sincere. Not zionists either.
I agree that the shroud of turin and the like are all total horseshit.

>>512374114
>autistic pasta poster detected.
Still waiting for one of you dummies to refute me.

>>512374678
ignore this fag

>>512374564
its literally the only conservative Protestant sect that doesn't engage in retarded snake worship and speaking in tongues. Everything else is even worse.

>>512374566
you're simply wrong anon. go read into this stuff please.

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus/jesus-is-god/divinity-jesus-revealed-new-testament/

>John is a forgery
>so are all the epistles
ok heretic

>>512368577 (OP)
The picrel is the average looking person who lives there today.

This population bears no resemblance to people's who lived there during greek and Roman dominance. At any rate, jesus could not have been simply an everga looking person.

The shroud of Turin was suspected as being medieval due to testing done in the last century but recently proven to be from the time of Christ and with an inexplicable halo impression.

Americans pastors are paid a great deal but no donor disputes this as it's voluntary payments and they get great peace of mind from elevating their pastors.

Rome reached it's ze ith under Christianity and paganism was never a serious religion just a collection of folklore which can't take the place of a state religion.

Jews blame Christianity for Jewish persecution. This so because they are squarely identified as the embodiment of hypocrisy. Before this time Jews enriched themselves in the trafficking trade happily.

The Torah is not the same book as the Old Testament KJV that's clear. It's resemblance old Sumerian tales is due to it being real history.

All gnostic heresy is bogus and a pastor's so would know that Abdul

>>512375093
you cant be refuted because you're a cultist that will swear black is white if you need to, just like you can't possible let yourself see that Paul does in fact believe in a real historical Jesus...mostly because your guru R Carrier told you so.

>>512375254
really not true at all, and the SBC has a lot of its own bizarre stuff at times too....though i understand its a very large group and that not all the member churches behave the same way. There are very good conservative branches of all the mainline denoms. The Lutheran Missouri synod being just one im familiar with.

>>512375008
>nifb
>its most well known pastor is a child abusing contol fetishist
lol
lmao

>>512374642
yeah, currently phone fagging. Definitely not new.

>>512375387
>The Torah is not the same book as the Old Testament KJV that's clear.
of course it is. its all right there.

>>512368577 (OP)
>white intelligence
Kill yourself nigger

>>512375387
The Torah is just Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

>>512375107
ignoring it wont make it stop, trash man.

>>512368577 (OP)
Convert to Dual Seedline Christian Identity. The Germanic peoples are the real Israelites of the Bible. Join CI groups on gab.com to learn more.

>>512376307
Kek, yeah join this clown show

>>512368577 (OP)
>I'm leaving Christianity
False converts were never there to begin with.

>>512374642
Op is a copy pasta. Posted at least 3-4 times daily.

>>512376490
Spoken like a true cultist

>>512376630
>Posted at least 3-4 times daily.
Really?

>>512376630
ive not seen it recently even being on pretty constantly yesterday, plus 4 plebs doesn't show this text any other time than this one.

>>512368577 (OP)
Who could have guessed that a book written by Jews with zero firsthand eyewitness accounts of its main character, a jew, is not real? It's almost like it's yet another tool of Jewish sophistry to cuck the minds of non-Jews. I don't believe it!

>>512377024
not one of those church fathers is considered an eye witness. the young guys that made up Christs followers are though, and they wrote down, or had written down for them under dictation, what they saw during the 40s-70s. the gospels and paul were already well known to Clement of Rome and Ignatius, for example.

>1 post by op

>>512368577 (OP)
Christ is king, jewnigger

>>512368577 (OP)
why is /pol/ in 2025 a lot less christian than /pol/ in 2015? it's like there is a gap in percentage. what happened? is it the white nationalist ideology that routed out the christians of the board?

>>512377506
its just part of the constant raid against the board. it includes all the bullshit like flat earth, nukes are fake etc, plus all the anti christian threads. the flat earthers go out of their way to associate themselves with being christians too, just for extra points.

>>512376341
Jews like you are excluded from CI.

>>512377372
>Christs followers are though, and they wrote down, or had written down for them under dictation
Not really

>>512377956
God bless you brother!

>>512377956
I'm not a jew and CI is a joke. People can read the bible now and see that being white or any race has zero meaning to salvation through Christ

>>512378318
yep, really.

>>512368577 (OP)
>>512368670
>>512368703
The biggest blackpill you can have as someone White is realizing your jew cult was entirely fabricated to destroy you.

>>512378408
there are some people who think that the Bible says that salvation is ONLY for the jews, not for any gentiles/nations etc. To get around that and still be Christians, because they are white guys, they have to then say that the REAL jews are white guys too, due to the diaspora etc etc.

>>512368577 (OP)
the thing is NOONE believes the gospel in this day
HOW TO GO TO HEAVEN?
Did you know that for you to go to heaven, God does not take into account your righteous deeds or your sins?

"He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy..." (Titus 3:5)

"God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them..." (2 Corinthians 5:19)

So what does God take into account for people to go to heaven?
Christ demanded for the salvation of your soul in Mark 1:15: "Repent (change your mind about your condition before God) and believe the Gospel."

First, recognize what God says about you in His word, the Bible.

"The soul who sins shall die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23)

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." (James 2:10)
The Bible says that just one sin condemns you to eternal death!

Besides the fact that we can never stop sinning because of our corrupt body (1 John 1:8; 1 Peter 3:21), our spirit died and we need God to make us born again (John 3:1-7), and our soul was condemned to the lake of fire (Ezekiel 18:4).

This is why you must believe the Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)...
CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS!
Before dying, Jesus exclaimed: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 2000 years ago, the soul of our savior substituted the condemnation of our souls to eternal death and abandonment in the lake of fire for ALL our sins. His soul for our soul! (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; John 10:17-18; Psalm 22:1-2; Isaiah 53:6-11)

Faith in the Gospel means having certainty (Hebrews 11:1), without objections, without doubts, and without adding any work on your part, that 100% of your salvation was already achieved by Christ by paying your deserved condemnation, and thus He gave you eternal life, because God promised it in the Bible (1 John 2:25; John 10:28; 2 Corinthians 5:19).

>>512378468
Nah, not really
>>512378586
You'll notice that these clowns can't cite any scripture that supports CI

'the only one who could ever reach me was the son of a preacher'
>https://youtu.be/oAZLgsDRUv4

>>512368577 (OP)

1/10

Work harder, kike.

>>512378793
>Nah, not really
oh yes, absolutely.
>You'll notice that these clowns can't cite any scripture that supports CI
they jst go on about how 'nations' doesn't mean 'other groups of people' but that it REALLY means 'other tribes of jews'. its pretty dumb but they argue for it that way.

>>512379205
>oh yes, absolutely
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>512379205
>its pretty dumb but they argue for it that way.
It's just dumb period. I genuinely believe it's a leftist movement designed to smear Christianity

>>512379151
>anyone who disagrees with me is a jew.

>>512378408
Next, you’ll be telling us that you’re not a dog, too.

>>512379338
>You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
you too, of course. thanks.

>>512379338
>I genuinely believe it's a leftist movement designed to smear Christianity
possibly. wouldnt be the only one around.

>>512379668
Dog or not, still gifted salvation as was the Canaanite

>>512379724
>you too, of course. thanks.
Indeed :^)

>>512379632

Posting a kajillion demoralisation threads a day makes you a kike.

>>512379859
>demoralisation threads
To you, which sounds like a personal problem

>>512368577 (OP)
>Soon the great journey will begin. But when it does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet, and you shall be be left behind.

You're retarded and most likely Jewish. Go to better churches.

>>512379859
>>512379632

>>512368577 (OP)
OP made up the whole story, of course

>>512368577 (OP)
>it's all fake and gay
Just like you and your post

>>512369785
I know pattern recognition is great and all, but the whole rest of your brain also exists to be used in tandem with that.

>>512379980
>>512379996
Of course. Nobody would really leave christianity, right?

>>512368577 (OP)
>Europe was at its strongest under Pagan Roman rule

Regardless of theology, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

>>512380157
no, but if the purpose of their post was to tell their story, they wouldn't be a 1pbid bot

eh,,, me dumb... me have gun, me have freedom
god is with me

>>512375494
>just like you can't possible let yourself see that Paul does in fact believe in a real historical Jesus...
Fucking show me a single passage in Paul that unambiguously describes a historical Jesus, you know, like one of the hundreds of passages in the Gospels, or dozens of passages in Acts

No fucking dreams

No fucking interpolations

JUST SHOW ME AN ACTUAL FUCKING REFERENCE TO A HISTORICAL JESUS

>>512368577 (OP)
I don't get what this image is supposed to prove. We see Palestinians alive today that have light skin and dark hair very similar to Jesus. White Palestinians that are targeted by brown Israelis. Really makes you think.

>>512368577 (OP)
Bro, i fuck you, your evangelical protestant heretic dog mother and your father.
i will fuck and kill them all.
do you understand, you worthless subhumanoid heretic?

>>512375583
Even the various modern translations differ greatly from the KJV.

The Torah is a Jewish interpretation and the oral toroah is the Talmud.

Judaism is rebillion to God

>>512378408
If you don't pay homage to Israel you hate Christ. If you don't bless Israel then you hate Christ. You are just another typical mongrel.

>>512381526

>>512378586
Salvation from Hell is for anyone who believes. Paradise is only for Adamic Whites.

>>512381617
>Paradise is only for Adamic Whites.
Weird how it doesn't say that anywhere in the bible

>>512378793
>You'll notice that these clowns can't cite any scripture that supports CI
Matthew 15:24 ESV
>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:5-6 ESV
>These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

>>512380971
you're insane, you know that? we've done this numerous times before and even when Paul is talking about the historical Jesus that was crucified and rose again etc, all you have to offer in return is 'well...that was talking about a fantasy Jesus ' etc etc.

you, like Carrier, are not a serious person.

>>512381398
>Even the various modern translations differ greatly from the KJV.
examples? some slight differences in translation, perhaps due to using a different manuscript tradition or something, doesn't mean that the Torah is not part of the KJV. And why is the KJV the absolute standard anyway?

The Torah is, and always has been, the first five books of our Bible. the Tanakh is the Torah plus the prophets and other writings, and thats what our OT is, though in different order.

>>512378793
>You'll notice that these clowns can't cite any scripture that supports CI
>>512381801
Just like I said too hahaha.

>>512368577 (OP)
>1pbtid

>>512381801
and then....after Jesus rose again; what did He tell them then? Oh thats right, your made up idea that He meant only other jews not inside isreal. just like i said. its dumb.

>>512381801
>Matthew 15:24 ESV
>>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Then he blessed and healed the Canaanite

>>512381801
>Matthew 10:5-6 ESV
>>These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Because the Gentiles aren't:
>16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves.n Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.o 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councilsp and be flogged in the synagogues
Kek

>>512368577 (OP)

>>512381861
>you're insane, you know that?
Yeah maybe, but when are you going to show me a passage from the Pauline epistles that mention a historical Jesus?
>and even when Paul is talking about the historical Jesus that was crucified and rose again etc
As I have already explained to you at least a dozen times, dreams and heavenly dimensions do not count as a description of a historical Jesus.

>>512372474
>You must love me because you have no other options, you'll be lost without me, you'll be punished for

Definitely not the sound of a controlling abuser you kikevermin

>>512374325
>Europeans are evil, we are the real ethnic Jews

The irony is too palatable, whenever you kikevermin post this shit, you only confirm how anti-white your Kike cult is

>>512377024
Josephus is a forgery too

>>512381991
I never said that. Gentile Adamics were Whites.

>>512382183
>Then he blessed and healed the Canaanite
Only after he called her a bitch.

>>512377506
Because it couldn't be clear that spiritual kikevermin do not protect European white interests.

Fuck your pedo Kike prophet Muhammad

>>512382690
>Gentile Adamics were Whites.
Lol, lmao
>b.b..but he called her
Irrelevant to what he did

>>512372582
Wow a jew canaanite cult that preaches non members are "subhuman". Quelle suprise..in the Guerre de Trente Ans in the early 1600's something like one half of the population of what is now Germany murdered each other over catholicism vs protestantism. Why? Well the Protestants were insistent that they have the right to smash all the beautiful paintings, sculptures and the catholics were insistent that protestants were subhumans worthy of death.

Quite the religion you got for yourself there Jimmy Jones.

>>512368577 (OP)
>pastors son
found your problem

>>512368577 (OP)
>1pbtid

>>512373940
kek logic does come into play. Jeebus claimed to be The LOGOS, that is the rational scheme of the universe. Except his precepts were the antithesis of the rational scheme of the universe as any study of animals living wild, naturally instructs us in the worlds real rational scheme.

>>512368577 (OP)

Why do these Faggot-Pedophile-Jews always Pimp this Mongreloid image as Jesus?

>>512382248
>when are you going to show me a passage from the Pauline epistles that mention a historical Jesus?
clearly you cant be shown one, despite many such existing, because you're sold out to your guru, Richard Carrier, who is also insane.
>dreams and heavenly dimensions do not count as a description of a historical Jesus.
so, when Paul, who's teachings were approved by guys who were with Christ during His ministry on earth, talks about the literal resurrection of Jesus from the dead, instead of thinking 'hmm, maybe he's talking about the Jesus that all those guys hung out with', you go 'ah HA, he never even thought Jesus was real!!!1 Really, Paul only believed in a cosmic entity etc etc'!!!"

see. insanity.

also, when Paul says that 'if Christ be not risen from the dead our faith is in vane', you think he's talking about some made up cosmic being instead of just accepting that he's actually talking about the one all the guys in Jerusalem said actually came back to life after being killed on the cross and buried in the tomb.

madness. unreasonable nonsense dreamed up by loonies.

>i grew up in a dumber version of judaism (Protestant)
> Here’s why one 66 deep south protestant is not an ubermensch

>>512383155
>clearly you cant be shown one,
Bitch stop flapping your lips, if Paul mentions a historical Jesus then just show me that passage. No fucking interpolations, no fucking dreams, SHOW ME THE FUCKING PASSAGE.

>so, when Paul, who's teachings were approved by guys who were with Christ during His ministry on earth
Nowhere in Paul's letters does it descibe the church fathers being with Christ during His ministry on Earth. You're just making that shit up.

>>512377372
>Illiterate fishermen who couldn't even write in their own language suddenly can write in a highly educated version of Greek

Try again.

>>512381526
Yes, but you had better make sure that you know who Israel really is, first.

>>512374114
>what a load of trash.

If you mean to say that Christianity is trash for fucking up western civilization with fanatic imbecilic ferocity then yeah it's trash.

If you mean to say that whatever it was that I said that offends you is trash, show me where I was wrong. Carolingian archtecture < Roman Greek architecture at its peak for hundreds of years. Don't just fling filthy epithets like hindus having a cow turd fight.

But I'm sure your "doctrine" which you hold so dear should have taught you to come to a dispute or disagreement with more than just cheap ad hominems.

>>512383393
>SHOW ME THE FUCKING PASSAGE.
i just mentioned two. but you either deny what they actually say (of course) or you dont even know what im talking about because you have read more Carrier than NT (no doubt)
>the church fathers
i mean the disciples! Paul went to see them, twice, and they decided that he was preaching the right stuff like they were - the resurrection of the real historical Christ that they walked around with for 3 years.

>>512383410
>>Illiterate fishermen
and you know this how exactly? and koine has never been considered a highly educated version of greek. the opposite in fact. it was the common language on the streets. Only Luke is said to write a highly level of Greek, and he is called a physician and accompanied paul on his travels. its thought that he wrote down stuff he heard from eyewitnesses when he met with them.

>>512382765
>Irrelevant to what he did
Actually it's not mongrel. He called her a dog and almost didn't heal her daughter. See your problem is you dogs think you can sit at the masters' table. You were given crumbs on the floor, dog, not an entree at the table as if you were a son. Don't sit yourself at the table like you are a son, dog. You are a dog. Don't help yourself to our food like that, dog.

>>512383622
>Carolingian
where did i even mention this stuff you keep going on about?

>>512368577 (OP)
>Christianity

Post 1/2:


Christianity is a mix of pagan beliefs. "Jesus" is another and last deified personification of planet today known as Jupiter. Read below for explanation and take a look at attached images in both posts.

Christianity was just one big organization, which united other, smaller religious cults that worshiped the same "god", planet Jupiter. Jesus was just one name of many and a personification of planet Jupiter. Jesus is Zeus (Greek) is Jupiter (Roman) is Perun (Slavic) is Thor (Nordic) is Perkunas (Baltic) is Indra (Hindu) is Taranis (Celtic) and many others. It was all different names in different cultures for the same celestial object. Planets had different orbits and specific planet "ruled" the heaven at specific time, sometimes "fighting" between each other. Ever wondered why in the past people believed in planets being "gods" and why all cultures were worshiping at the specific time the same specific planet as "god"? Whenever there are changes of planetary orbits, which happens relatively often, what follows is earthquakes, tsunamis, volcano eruptions and other civilization-threatening disasters. Another example is planet Saturn / Cronus etc., that in the past was Earth's "sun" (Earth was tidally locked with Saturn's north pole, that to this day has a cymatic-driven hexagon-shaped storm, similarly today Earth's Moon is tidally locked to Earth) and ruled the "heavens" and as a result many human-sacrificing cults were created such as Baal, Moloch, El etc. - it was all about planet Saturn. Head-dresses / crowns / helmets etc. were also influenced by what could be seen while looking in the sky, or "heavens".

Continuation of this post (Post 2/2) can be found in the reply to this.

>>512383825
but when the children at the table refuse to eat, the patient, loved and well cared for dogs get to eat it instead. i have no problem being considered a sheep or a pet dog anon. do you?

Continuation from here: >>512383906


Post 2/2:

At this time, when planet Jupiter "ruled" the sky, all European cultures (and others) worshiped the same celestial "god" just in different, local cults and it was just easier and better for everyone to unite under the same organization and that's why Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire - for easier control of the population. Roman Empire led by Jewish intellectual elite united European religious cults under one organized religion of Christianity, otherwise European tribes would probably fight to this day between each other in cultist wars, while worshiping the same natural forces (planet Jupiter) as "god". Then Christianity was hijacked for political purposes. Just like "Jesus" was in reality planet Jupiter, "Mary" similarly was planet Venus.

For more information about planet Jupiter and its other deified personifications, reply to this post and request more data.

>>512383965
>I have no problem being called a dog or filthy animal
That sounds like a you problem, bitch

>>512380238
Flag checks out. I hope Hamas blows your family up kike

>>512377024
what's your religion?

>>512384043
sounds like you need to know Jesus and quit being such a prideful kind of guy.

>>512375387
>Rome reached it's ze ith under Christianity

No Christianity was the mold and filth growing on a dying body politic. Rome reached it's zenith under pagans. Christianity was a plot to degrade and then destroy Rome. That was its mission. Millions of innocents died on that murderous mission.

>>512381367
I often wonder how many times Mary got dicked fown by big Roman cock

>>512383825
>Actually it's not
It is. It doesn't matter what nonsense you make up.

>>512384097
So I have a question - of being prideful is so horrible, why did God allow Samson to do what he did? Why did God give Solomon and David a harem for being king? Why did he allow Moses and Joshua to violent subjugate the Canaanites to found Israel? Why did he allow Elijah to boast about his Jew magic and consume the prophets of Baal?

All of these things seem quite prideful. Let me know if you can find the Old Testament passage where it's okay to call someone a dog.

Kind of strange that the Old Testament teaches the Jews to violently subjugate and exterminate gentiles, but the New Testament teaches gentiles to turn the other cheek, be obedient, and be treated like dogs. Almost like it was intentional or something.

>>512381367
you know she was shaking on that shit

>>512375387
>no donor disputes this

Megachurch pastors can be prosecuted like any other individual; fraud , sexual abuse, money laundering.

It doesn't require brainwashed mentally weak sheep to protest their behavior. The government can delve into any church's books and prosecute those chumps.

God what trash...

I think you're right, there is no sense in bowing down before one dead jew, because it ruins our liberty of choice and way of life

>>512368577 (OP)
Also gave Jews usury monopoly. The Magna Carta affirms this but they try to hide the fact. Pic related the Cathokike church enforcing usury for Jew bankers. I shit on all Torah derived lies

>>512383760
>i just mentioned two
DREAMS DON'T COUNT. INTERPOLATIONS DON'T COUNT. WHAT IS SO FUCKING HARD ABOUT THIS MATE.

>i mean the disciples! Paul went to see them, twice
Nowhere in Paul's letters does it describe the people he met in Jerusalem as having known Jesus personally. Fucking NOWHERE.

Once again, you're just extracting this stuff out of your own arsehole, hoping that no-one will notice it's fiction.

>>512368670
Hahaha cuck

>>512384213
Christians didn't force all those emperors to be such inbred crazy assholes anon. the christians suffered under their evil rule. thats when Rome started to fall - because of those depraved wacko despots.

>>512384389
>Kind of strange that the Old Testament teaches the Jews to violently subjugate and exterminate gentiles
in a certain context, not in general anon. you're being hysterical, and i dont mean funny. they were sent to wipe out evil tribes in a certain region. that was God punishment of those people for their evil deeds (like child sacrifice, worshiping demons etc)
The NT teaches all followers of Christ, not just gentiles, to be sheep like, sometimes with repsect to men, but mostly with respect to God. Being a sheep, hardly the most admirable creature in many ways, has been in the jewish Book forever, in most famously in Psalm23, which is beautiful and shows how God cares for His people. Being a pet dog who gets to sit by the table and eat is a gift anon. i hope you'll see that one day, instead of railing against God in your ignorance.

you've got such a twisted and untruthful picture going on in your mind anon, its hard to untwist it for you. Its best if you go to Christ because He's the best one to sort out messed up minds.

>>512383965
lol this is why we call you Christcucks

>>512384675
no anon..it's you making this stuff up because you have zero idea what the NT actually says, because all you do is scan through what Carrier says, looking for dumb gottchas to post on line. you have no clue what you're talking about.

i come to the exact same conclusion each time is mistakenly bother replying to you instead of just pointing out that you're an obsessive autist.

>>512384879
and i for one dont care.

>>512384963
>no anon..it's you making this stuff up
BITCH SHOW ME A SINGLE SENTENCE IN THE EPISTLES, JUST ONE FUCKING SENTENCE, THAT DESCRIBES PAUL MEETING SOMEONE WHO KNEW JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALIVE

>>512368703
Gospel doctrine is Jew worship fucking imbecile

>>512376490

>>false converts

kek more like forced converts. Most are. Your parents are in the cult and so they hit you with it the moment you start to speak.

>>512384725
>you don't understand I have to make it a sexual fantasy!
>t. kike

>>512385003
I know you dont, you filthy fucking dog. Not only do kikes and your own Christ think of you as one, but so do all the whites around you lol. You're at the bottom of the spiritual totem pole.

>>512385033
What is the book of acts?

https://youtu.be/y7NQYTZbIAo?si=YKd4hXk8XeOy1N_P

>>512375281
John is 140 years after dumb fucknnigger. They only have the Q source and includes Neoplatonic thought since the Neoplatonics shit on the original Gospels

>>512385033
so even though Paul makes it clear that if Christ didn't LITERALLY come back from the dead out faith is in vane, and even though all the Gospels make it really quite over the top clear that all the disciples believed that Christ came back to life from the dead after LITERALLY dying on the cross and being buried in a tomb, and, even though Paul met with these people and those people OK's Pauls teachings as being in line with their own teachings (that Jesus died on the cross and came back to life etc)....you still want to loudly repeat yourself over and over again that Paul never EVER had any concept of a real historical Jesus?

are you mad?

>>512385231
>What is the book of acts?
Acts directly contradicts Paul's own writings on numerous occasions, which is one the reasons why most historians think it's a work of fiction.

>>512381398
King kike christ quotes the Torah and it matches the dead sea scrolls. Cope

>>512384826
See here's the thing, Christianity uses made up language and terms to not only explain away contradictions, but put it's followers in such a position of weakness and blindness that they won't contest it's claims.

What is "lust?" Does it mean sexual desire? Excessive sexual desire? Unnatural sexual desire? When does sexual desire become excessive or unnatural?

If you follow what the Roman Catholic or Orthodox Churches teach about this, any kind of premarital sexual activity, even masturbation, is lustful. Oral sex is unnatural and abominable.

Meanwhile, the Old Testament has this fancy little book called the "Song of Solomon" or "Canticle of Canticles," and the entire book is romantic poetry about a king and his wife getting it on, with flowery metaphors for oral sex. It's supposedly about King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, but it's likely a Judaized version of romance poetry between Baal and Astarte (with Baal's name conspicuously left in there in the Hebrew Old Testament but missing in the Greek Septuagint version).

So what is lust? It means nothing, it's just subjective to whatever context Christians need it to mean. The end result are weirdo sheeple who are afraid to touch their cocks, doing something that the body naturally does anyways.

>>512368577 (OP)

>>512383828
>>512371056
>>>>512370330 (You)
>>Europe was clearly strongest right around the time they started pushing the muslims back starting with the 1st crusade right through to the time when feminism and socialism (i repeat myself) began to erode that strength. Between the french, british, dutch and some small showings from the belgians, Europe controlled most of the earth for hundreds of years.

>>512385289
>and, even though Paul met with these people
FUCKING SHOW ME THE PASSAGE WHERE PAUL MEETS SOMEONE WHO KNEW JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALIVE

STOP FUCKING COPING

STOP FUCKING SEETHING AND DILATING

ACTUALLY SHOW ME THE PASSAGE THAT ACTUALLY DESCRIBES PAUL MEETING SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY KNEW JESUS

>>512384043
Filthy dog. Humble yourself mongrel dog! This is why God wants to destroy you!

>>512368577 (OP)
you say this until you're on your death bed anon

>>512384826
Plenty of Christian Byzantin Emperors killed thousands over flavor of Jew worship or had harems. Some were diverse like Leo the Khazar lmao

Kill yourself

>>512385169
if you say so. i must say though that you do sould very enlightened and spiritual. you should start a cult or something.

>>512385231
according to Mr 'richard carrier is my cult guru' here, that doesn't count and probably doesn't mention a real historical Jesus either. funny stuff.

>>512385288
but his book is known in the late 1st century. its referenced by Ignatius of Antioch (about 107AD)

>>512384330
Mongrel cope.

>>512383965
Dogs lick their assholes clean.

You want the bible for authenticity?

"A fool returns to his folly like a dog to his own vomit".

Not a dog
Not a sheep

I'm a man, I'm human. I don't need some theological construct to get up in the morning and venture into a hostile world.

>>512385127
>can't accept he worships a cuck baby
>t. Brownoid

>>512385349
It actually doesn't match the dead sea scrolls. This is a Christian lie

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDAtFpzag-M&pp=ygUuRGVhZCBzZWEgc2Nyb2xscyBzY2hvbGFyIGRyIGtpcCBkYXZpcyB3ZXMgaHVmZg%3D%3D

>>512368577 (OP)
>posts a picture of Barabbas
>Leave Christianity goyim
Lel no, seethe kike

>>512385605
Which John?

>>512368577 (OP)
Ciao! You won' t be missed!

>>512385633
Lol that's even worse. So are the Dead Sea Scrolls Israeli forgeries?!

>>512384389
Canaanites were always dogs. That's why Moses and Joshua fucking exterminated them.

>>512385353
so you're saying that because the church of rome teaches some inaccurate things that the Bible itself is wrong and that Jesus wasn't real?

makes sense. lol

>>512385441
right, i said starting right around the 1st crusade and onwards. you decided to focus on one kind of architecture related to something dating from a couple hundred years before that, and ignored everything tht came within the time scale i mentioned.

>>512385451
you cant be serious anon. really? no, you cant be, with the way you're shouting and being ridiculous.

do you know that Paul met Peter? and James. and some of the others too? did they know Jesus when He was alive?

>>512374678
Christcuckery didn't build shit, your semite cults destroy europe for the last 1,9 k years.
Ancient Romans, Greeks and one may even say the Ancient Egyptians, but their end has nothing to do with the semites.
At any rate, the Romans and Greeks were more advanced than people 300 years ago.
If they had continue on without being infected and destroy from within, Europe would had develop space colonies by this point in time.
Alas, it didn't happen.
Let's see what pipul you can cook up to dismiss picrel as evidence for what I'm saying.
>inspired
nigger, your language had like 300 words when your peasant desert mutts have meet the first Greek! You literally wrote your holy fairy tales of stolen stories (that you stolen as merchants from the library of alexandria), so yeah. Nice attempt of trying to invert history, kike!
Not on my watch!
You faggots only became a thing 2,8k years ago, before that your tribe was limited some mountain worshiping.
That was when you had royals and stuff, alas, that one supreme priest from your semite tribes did the Rah thing of trying to eliminate the other gods, probably inspired by tales of of that Pharaoh.
It's on the kike nature to subvert, so is only natural that the inception of your cult was base on subversion.
So even before bastardizing and eliminating native religions all around the world via your Golem's (christkikes and mudkikes), you had already bastardized your own cult! Kek!!
Pathetic.
You'll always be a parasite kike, face it.

>>512385847
>do you know that Paul met Peter? and James.
Yes, we've all read Galatians. Now show me the passage in Paul's epistles that describes either Peter or James meeting Jesus when He was alive.

If any redpill anon is interested
>https://cosmosmagazine.com/history/origins-of-the-black-death-revealed/
Kikes merchants on the silk roads were the responsible for the black plague, you can't make this shit up, merchants aka, kikes were responsible for the black plague! Kek! Pottery.

>>512385765
I recommend watching the video if you have time, but no they're real. But what they reveal is that the Bible wasn't even fully standardized among Jews by this point in time, and that there have been a lot of edits to the texts over the centuries.

Isaiah wasn't even a single book until centuries later, it was likely something like "Isaiah 1, Isaiah 2, and Isaiah 3" and then stitched together as though it was one book.

There are at least significant portions that go back that far, but the dead sea scrolls actually undoes the claim that the Bible is this immutable unchangeable text that nobody has changed over the centuries.

It shocked scholars how there was so much diversity in Jewish belief, most followed the Biblical narrative of everyone believing the same books and same cosmologies at that point in time.

You can actually see how something like Christianity emerged from Judaism at that point in time.

>>512385622
again anon, you're twisting things to suit your anger at God. repent. trust in Christ.
have you ever returned to your folly before? carried on doing something you know is wrong, or that is hurting you etc? in THAT case you were like a dog who eats his own vomit.

did the dogs in the NT who got to eat under the table do that? do you think that maybe Jesus was just making a simple point? maybe it was designed to test that persons pride...just like its testing yours now.

im honored to be considered a sheep, or a dog, by Jesus, because He is the Good shepherd.

>>512385701
the one the book in the NT is called after, plus the letters and Revelation.

>>512385847
No, I'm just pointing out that words like
>Lust
>Pride
>Gluttony
>Wrath

Are all subjective terms created by Christianity in order to mean whatever the Church wants it to mean in whatever context, even if it contradicts what's in the Bible.

Like going back to lust, Paul writes that it's better to be unmarried to be more devoted to the Lord but Christians can accommodate and allow marriages, meanwhile there is a whole book in the Bible about how divine sex is. Explain what lust means with these two contradictory contexts. Christians change the definition whenever convenient, usually to increase their power over their flock, which leads to Roman Church whackiness over centuries where simply gazing at a pretty woman is sinful - this is as early as the fourth century AD btw with the Desert Fathers, the monks being tempted by the looks of a pretty woman.

>>512368577 (OP)
>The absolute level of hypocrisy in the church is blood boiling
They are an extension of secular society. They're immersed in it, not in scripture or their relationship with God.

>>512372366
>>512374996

>>512385975
>Now show me the passage in Paul's epistles that describes either Peter or James meeting Jesus when He was alive.
LOL. HAHAHA. what a nonsense way of thinking you've picked up. does Mr Carrier fool around with such idiocy too?

Why on earth would you think that Paul believed they hadn't been with Jesus? Thats the entire point of their being leaders in the first place. ANd, since Paul obviously believed in the LITERAL resurrection of Jesus from the dead, which is described in lots of detail elsewhere, and this belief was confirmed by the elders in Jerusalem.....why, oh why, do you want to say anything different?

>>512368577 (OP)
>I'm leaving Christianity and you should too
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.Psalm 118.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.2 Timothy 4.

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. Titus 3.

>>512368577 (OP)
Every religion started as a cult.
Every. Single. One.
And every single modern day cult is ALWAYS a scam.
Cult achieves religious status as certain number of members are achieved and it preserves through time when 2nd generation or 3rd generation gets their share of brainwash in given cult.
Christianity, islam etc. all global religions are just cults and since their member count is high and "creation myth" happened so long ago it cannot be disapproven that they are a scam. People will either cope with denial or attack any criticism toward their religion because they are taught to do so.
Religion in the past was useful for humanity but since we live in an age of technology and science, it's mostly negative for humanity as it causes wars, murder and divides people who should be working together towards technological evolution.

>>512386336
>Explain what lust means with these two contradictory contexts.
that if a person is given into marriage rather than staying celebate for the Lord, then sex under those conditions is part of the gift.

> which leads to Roman Church whackiness over centuries where simply gazing at a pretty woman is sinful -
look, what sinful men decide to do with the words of Christ is neither here nor there anon. we know that He said that lusting after women to look at them is like committing adultery with them, and i agree, obviously. its insulting to my wife if i do it, for example.

>>512371753
i spy

>>512386513
>LOL. HAHAHA. what a nonsense way of thinking you've picked up.
You can correct my thinking by showing me a single passage in Paul's epistles that describe Peter or James meeting Jesus when He was alive.

>Why on earth would you think that Paul believed they hadn't been with Jesus?
Because you CAN'T FUCKING SHOW ME A PASSAGE THAT SAYS THAT, EVEN THOUGH I'VE ASKED LIKE FIVE HUNDRED TIMES ALREADY

> ANd, since Paul obviously believed in the LITERAL resurrection of Jesus from the dead,
Supernatural events are irrelevant, show me where Paul describes Jesus walking around Planet Eart while He was actually alive

>>512386729
I appreciate the effort of trying to untie the pretzel, but why should I listen to your definition and not the Roman Catholic Church's definition? Both interpret the same scripture in different ways. The Roman Catholic will just say that the Old Testament had imperfect morals like divorce and Christ perfected it.

>>512368577 (OP)
Nice try, Hillel boy. Jesus was White.

>>512385387
Blond Jesus

>>512386796
>by showing me a single passage in Paul's epistles that describe Peter or James meeting Jesus when He was alive.
WHY? its very very very clearly part of the general belief. are you now wanting to say that Peter never claimed to believe in a real historical Jesus?
>CAN'T FUCKING SHOW ME A PASSAGE THAT SAYS THAT,
i have, but you absolutely refuse to understand it in the clear sense. instead you see everything through your silly Carrieristic muddle of a worldview. Did Paul say that unless Jesus rose form the dead that our faith is in vane?

what do you think that meant? do you seriously want to say that Paul was saying that unless a cosmic vision rose form the dead after being killed on a fantasy cross that our faith in a non-corporeal space entity is is vane? lol. bizarre.

i think you're in a cult anon.

>show me where Paul describes Jesus walking around Planet Eart while He was actually alive
dont you think that saying the entire Christian faith is pointless UNLESS Jesus actually physically rose form the dead (THE most basic belief taught in the entire NT) doesn't assume that JEsus actually lived and walked around? how did He get crucified under Pilot and buried and seen by many if He never lived, just like the Gospels say?

When Paul calls James the LORD'S BROTHER, doesn't that maybe say to you that Paul though the James, a real person who he met, had an actual brother and that the brother was none other than Jesus...who had to be real, in order to be his brother?

come on. this is silly.

>Supernatural events are irrelevant,
paul thought it was a literal event, like the other disciples. you dont just get to dismiss it because you dont agree with them. THEY thought it was real.

>>512386864
>Both interpret the same scripture in different ways.
and we all have freedom of conscience to decide for ourselves. im not sure what rome actually teaches, so its hard for me to say much more about this specific thing.

> like divorce
Christ corrected it...and did not forbid it entirely anyway.

>>512387308
>WHY? its very very very clearly part of the general belief.
Oh right, so the source for your assertion is "trust me bro".

Fucking weirdo.

>dont you think that saying the entire Christian faith is pointless UNLESS Jesus actually physically rose form the dead
That's just the usual "argument from embarrassment" fallacy, can't blame you for making an obvious logical error though because a lot of Bible historians do the same thing all the time

>When Paul calls James the LORD'S BROTHER
As I have already explained to you SIXTY THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES, the Greek doesn't say that.

>paul thought it was a literal event, like the other disciples
I'm getting tired of this anon, if Paul says that Jesus' crucifixion was a historical event, FUCKING SHOW ME THAT PASSAGE.

Just one more retard-tier reply from you, mate, and I'm going to top myself. I just can't stomach living on the same planet with you a moment longer.

>>512385853
wow so much prejudice and ad hominem it's crazy to even reply, but i'm doing it for rhetoric's sake so don't get too excited favella macaco.

>your language had like 300 words
welp, tell this to suda:
>Abraham invented sacred writing and devised the language of which Hebrew children had a command, as they were this man's disciples and descendants. Moreover, the Greek alphabet received its impetus from this script
or philo, aristotle, and very likely plato.

>desert mutts have meet the first Greek!
considering the concensus among scholars that the >70% fictional trojan war was supposedly contemporary with the EXODUS and the latter is very much less contradictory, and passed in written rather vernacular tradition (hell, even herodotus stresses that almost anything greek is hamite in origin), while it also acknowledges the philistines' close relation with the greek peoples you start to see patterns; but you're a raging retard and so i would not expect you to notice anything that youre not indoctrinated to, and given your hot temper and unconcious projection you shouldnt value your opinions too much either.

>it's a forgery!1
pffft, try harder; Hebrew antique mss are hard to refute, and are treasured as the cradle of no less than christendom, how about that? were you dirty savages not taken great care to destroy a huge body of our works on the other hand the Masiah would have probably come eons ago.

In short, you can keep screeching nonesensical cope without proofs, it only makes it all the more amusing.

>>512387849
>Oh right, so the source for your assertion is "trust me bro".
all of the gospels teach this belief. the people in them believed that Jesus was real and historical and rose from the dead, really really. Paul met them, and they said 'yeap, you're teaching the same as us, carry on'.

Question: if they said 'carry on', don tyou think that they all considered Paul to be teaching a real Jesus who came back from the dead?

how can you say otherwise?

>the Greek doesn't say that.
it does

> FUCKING SHOW ME THAT PASSAGE.
im getting tired of your stubborn and bizarre refusal to understand that Paul believed in a literal resurrection just like everyone else did. Thats why his teachings were OK's by those who were with Jesus during his walking around on the earth.

Paul also believed that Jesus was actually born, really really, of a woman.
Galatians4
4But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons.

and he really really believed that he actually really really died on the cross and actually historically rose from the grave

Cor1
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.

he believed all that, really truly actually physically...just like everyone else, especially those who he met and ok's his teachings.

please dont kill yourself, however annoying and silly you are. repent and turn to Christ and cease these mad ravings,

>>512388204
>pffft, try harder; Hebrew antique mss are hard to refute
Please show me one of these Hebrew antique manuscripts.

>>512388339
>all of the gospels teach this belief.
Irrelevant, irrelevant, FUCKING IRRELEVANT.

YOU claim that Paul's letters describe a historical Jesus. Show me a passage from PAUL'S LETTERS. Not a passage from the Gospels. Not a passage from Acts. Not a passage from the fucking Mein Kampf. SHOW ME A PASSAGE FROM PAUL'S ACTUAL LETTERS.

>>512388339
>>the Greek doesn't say that.
>it does
Liar, firstly we have already established that you don't read Greek, secondly the fact that the original Greek says something like "fellow Christian" not "biological brother" is not even controversial any more.

>BUT MUH GALATIANS 4!
You fucking nigger retard, the Greek doesn't say "born". Jesus fucking Christ how many more times do I have to explain this basic shit to you.

>BUT MUH CORINTHIANS!
And again. Dreams are not evidence for a historical Jesus.

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>>512388508
>irrelevent
not at all. you want it to be but its not. they lay out the basic events which made up the belief system of those people. you can't jst throw them out and say they have no bearing on the issue, no matter how much you claim you can.
>show me etc etc etc
i have twice, just in that last post alone. and others in previous posts. Paul believed that Jesus was actually born of a woman (not a cosmic fantasy woman). Paul, like all the guys in the gospels that he met later on and taught the same as, believed that Jesus rose from the dead and actually really physically was seen by real people, including those he met and talked to about it.

deny it all you want (you will, for whatever reason) but thats the facts of the matter.

>>512388836
>not at all. you want it to be but its not.
BITCH IF YOU SAY PAUL'S LETTERS CLAIM A HISTORICAL JESUS, THEN YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT USING PAUL'S LETTERS

NOT USING THE GOSPELS

NOT USING ACTS

NOT USING MEIN KAMPF

USING PAUL'S LETTERS

>>512388393
quite a few appear in the geniza, now scattered across mainly euro librararies inc. the bodlean and the vatican, while the dead sea scrolls are the most antique (now in israel nat museum i think), but it's not their age which surely is a factor, but the insane consistency across notoriously remote and isolated communities which can be used to irrefutably proof their ancient origins, and i'm not even starting to touch on archeaology.

>>512387129
>>512386889
>>512372366
>>512374996
>>512385387

this is a biblically accurate jesus according to CI clowns. behold!

>>512388836
>Paul believed that Jesus was actually born of a woman (not a cosmic fantasy woman)
As I have explained to you more times than you've fapped to tranny porn, the Greek says "fabricated" not "born".

>>512371880
Legal right. They cannot trace it back to Jacob.

“These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.” (Ezra 2:62)

>>512388671
>secondly the fact that the original Greek says something like "fellow Christian"
clearly you dont either, since the word, adelphon, is used for actual physical relatives all the time and Paul doesn't single out anyone else using that term in regards to Jesus, while the Bible mentions it several times.

>Jesus fucking Christ how many more times do I have to explain this basic shit to you.
you never have, so please, go ahead and waffle off more nonsense from carrier if you like.
but what do you think he meant? what do you think Paul was saying? that some cosmic woman (the womb of sky woooo) caused to a cosmic jesus, that nobody else in the NT ever spoke about or believed in? What about all the people that actually claimed to see jesus historically and confirmed what paul was teaching?

>Dreams are not evidence for a historical Jesus.
the gospels make it quite clear that it was a real thing. they thought it was real. paul thought it was real, and your unique insistence that 'received' absolutely cant mean that paul was told about those events instead of actually seeing..but that he MUST be talking about some fantasy only and not real things like every one else he met and talked to about the subject, doesn't matter at all.

>show me verses
>NO NOT THOSE VERSES
lol

>>512368577 (OP)

>>512388946
>while the dead sea scrolls are the most antique
Oh wait, when you talked about antique manuscripts I thought you meant "copied some time before 1 AD". My mistake.

>but the insane consistency across notoriously remote and isolated communities
What makes you think that "notoriously remote and isolated communities" had anything to do with the oldest manuscripts we still have, rather than the alternative explanation, which is that they were written by an elite class of scribes and clerics who were probably all in one place, like Alexandria

I mean, from my viewpoint anon, it seems that you're just making up historical facts to fit your theory, rather than building an argument on top of the surviving evidence

>>512368577 (OP)
>Some pissant associate pastor wants a brand new 5600.00 desk because the last desk he got 3 months ago (4800.00) didn't have as cool of a pattern? They get maintenance to haul it to a dumpster and just junk it. I'm not even joking.
oh no, 10k$ was wasted. you dont even know how deep the rot goes. 10k$ is less than the fee a father pays to a guardian ad litum who then recommends that the skank get full custody

Either you're getting facts from the King James Bible or you're getting lies from the pit of hell.

>>512389273
>clearly you dont either, since the word, adelphon,
Don't bother copying stuff from Google and pretending that the words originated in your own brain, you fucking weirdo

>clearly you dont either, since the word, adelphon,
Ummm, what? Mate if you're just going to copy and paste the wrong words, then that goes rather far to support my theory that you don't know Greek

>the gospels make it quite clear that it was a real thing.
Yeah but where do PAUL'S LETTERS say that

>>512388925
i have. you just refuse them and find whatever silly excuse you need in order to dismiss them.

if you dont think Paul believed in a real Jesus then you need to start showing me some verses to prove it.

>>512388987
that doesn't mean it wasn't a real thing. context demands that an actual birth (like all the gospels talk about and all those people believed in).
i notice you dont offer a counter explanation of what was meant.

you should look how the word is used. Do you think that Paul, a Jew, thought that Abraham wasn't a real person and was never actually born of a woman? ssame word used in John 8 about Abraham.

“For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.” (Philippians 1:21)

>>512389623
>i have.
DREAMS DO NOT COUNT
>i have.
INTERPOLATIONS DO NOT COUNT
>i have.
SUPERNATURAL EVENTS DO NOT COUNT
>i have.
Yeah, no you haven't. Every passage you cite is either a dream or an interpolation. We both know the reason why; the passage you claim exists, doesn't actually exist. Why not just admit it and move on with your life, instead of lashing out like a nigger?

>>512368577 (OP)
>If Christ was who he said he was then his church wouldn't be so fucking demonic and retarded.
Go ahead and blame God for things that evil men do. I'm sure that is not the worst thing you've done, jew boy.

Good enough for Peter, good enough for me:

“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15-16)

>>512389558
>Google and pretending that the words originated in your own brain,
ive a greek NT right here and looked up the definition and usage in a bible app. dont try to mindread me you weirdo.

>support my theory that you don't know Greek
look up hows its used instead of this childishness.

>Yeah but where do PAUL'S LETTERS say that
when he talks about those REAL events like ive mentioned to you over and over again. Paul was talking about the REAL events that the people he met (who had been with Jesus and thought He was real) also believed in. its really that simple. they all believed the resurrection was a real thing that actually happened. When Paul says Christian faith is worthless unless that actually happened.....he means that unless a real Jesus died and rose again from the grave, the Christian faith is worthless.

this is silly. i wont bother going over this again with for another while. i'll just point out that you post your pasta many times a week ,have been doing for years, and behave like this whenever someone makes the mistake of engaging with your bait.

>>512389883
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>>512369107
>>512371923
/thread

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
Jesus Christ is God who came to earth from heaven in the flesh. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for sin. He was buried, then resurrected and is now in heaven. Put your faith in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ, which is sufficient to wash your soul from all sin eternally. Let go of the faith you have in your own effort. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:28) Only God can save you, but you have a choice. Your works (like trying to not sin, loving deeds, praying etc.) can NEVER justify you, nothing you do can make you righteous. You're corrupt and need to be saved. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9) Only by trusting in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you, your soul will be cleansed from sin and separated from your body, making you dead to sin no matter how miserable you are or what kind of sin you're involved in. Jesus Christ can purchase you with his blood right now. You're just receiving a gift, salvation is not a reward. God has given you time to repent your sinfulness and self-righteousness. What do you choose?

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPchtYsXNo

>>512388204
You wrote your fairy tale books in greeks, from texts you stolen from the greeks libraries. Parcel, you cannot refute that kike, the destruction of both countries and their writings and later centuries by chrstkikes (your golems) only prove that.
From literacy to everyone (ancient times), to illiterate under christkikery.
Not even mention the black plague cause by merchants on the silk road as I prove on my last post that you clearly dismiss it.
The only reason why europe was a literal shithole was based of the ignorance applied by the church, your slave death cult.
The higinie, that was something both greeks and romans had solved, the culture of daily baths, lost for over a thousand years.
Never, ever try to say anything remotely that your kind existed before 2,8k years ago, or that it wasn't raise like lesser beings by the greeks (big mistake by the ancient aryan greeks), they already had a vocabulary with almost 1 million words while your semite language had 300, kek!
That's why it was wroten in greek, because it was made and mostly copy from greek works.
Erase from history and then gaslight like blaming thing like tsunami and romans. But no surprise at all.
It wouldn't be clown world if there was not a kike phony history narrative on the background.
>Exodus!
KEKEKEKKE, your kind was NEVER in Ancient Egypt, stop larping, is because you faggot made up shit that didn't happen (never recorded in any hieroglyph, ever), much like yeashua existence that the research on ancient egypt about a lost pre-flood civilization doesn't happen because you larp building shit that already existed before the Dynastic Egypt was even form! And what I mean by that? All the stone pyramids! Retard!
But then again, someone that larp a fictional character like noah, that did exist but it had nothing to do with your kind.
Ziusudra was a Sumerian King, not some semite tard. The anunaki have nothing to do with your El Nigger deity.

>>512389961
>ive a greek NT right here
So fucking what, get back to me when you can actually read Greek

>Paul was talking about the REAL events that the people he met (who had been with Jesus and thought He was real)
Ok, I'm going to ask just one more time, if you don't answer I'm going to respond to every post with NIGGER.

WHERE IN PAUL'S LETTERS DOES HE DESCRIBE MEETING PEOPLE WHO KNEW JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALIVE.

Don't just fucking assume that was true, because Eusebius thought so. SHOW ME THE ACTUAL FUCKING PASSAGE.

>>512389868
>DREAMS DO NOT COUNT
doesn't say a dream and even if it did, you can dream of real things. its a Biblical convention that God can tell you real things in a dream. people in the gospels thought it was real too.
It just means that he learned it..that he came to know of what happened.
>SUPERNATURAL EVENTS DO NOT COUNT
it doesn't if those people we're talking about believed it was real. what doesn't count is if you dont think it was real, since the whole point is you questioning what Paul believed.
>Every passage you cite is either a dream or an interpolation.
no its not. you simply need a way to dismiss them all.
>lashing out like a nigger?
i wonder why you endlessly post your bait and then start name calling and shouting for most of the thread. its strange. you should move on with your life.

>>512368577 (OP)
>i'm leaving christianity
>post a bunch of crap unrelated to christianity
people arent christianity. your problem is with people

>>512389356
>rather than the alternative explanation, which is that they were written by an elite class of scribes and clerics who were probably all in one place, like Alexandria

this is very unlikely, and i'll take the "naive" path here pointing out the explicit prohibition mentioned in Deut 17 16:"Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.", refeeing to egypt, so it kinda self contradictiory to come up with the alexandrian elite stuff also considering their rebelions against the romans which resulted in destruction of that community, but even if you insist it to be so, you'll find it hard to find parallels in human history of such degrees of perservance, clearly pointing to a much much older common ancestor and geolocation.

>it seems that you're just making up historical facts to fit your theory,
meh not really, it would be much harder for me to do that.

>>512385615
Coping about?

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>>512385844
>That's why Moses and Joshua fucking exterminated them.
You know that's not true lol

>>512368577 (OP)
Yes goy leave the institutions. Let us control them

>>512390191
>get back to me when you can actually read Greek
im sure you can, of course. how else could you be so arrogant about this point that doesn't matter.
>WHERE IN PAUL'S LETTERS DOES HE DESCRIBE MEETING PEOPLE WHO KNEW JESUS WHEN HE WAS ALIVE.
remember Galatians? i guess that doesn't count either? was it a dream too?

>>512368577 (OP)
reject semitism, embrace Yakubism

>>512368577 (OP)
mouthy jew noises larping as a deist

>>512390350
great rebuttal. you sure showed me how well you know greek lol. i bet you've never looked anything up and just read it on a Carrier page sometime.

>>512368577 (OP)
Christianity is fine, it's modern "Christians" that are the issue. People always bring up Islam but the only difference is that Muslims actually believe in their religion

>>512390268
>Using the claim to prove itself
Sorry anon, I'm trying not to be rude with you like I'm forced to be rude with that other nigger, but can't you see why this is a logical fallacy?

>you'll find it hard to find parallels in human history of such degrees of perservance, clearly pointing to a much much older common ancestor and geolocation.
Sorry mate, your "amazing bronze age goat fuckers were so amazing that they manager to preserve a manuscript for many centuries across many locations and with hardly any errors" is not more plausible than the "priests in Alexandria created those manuscripts in Alexandria many centuries later than claimed" explanation.

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>>512368577 (OP)

Do you have a moment to discuss our lord and savior, tasty Banan? Banan fills the stomach. Banan grew for our sins. I have not seen Banan, for many moon. Do you know where I can find banan?

>>512390816
>>512390856
good, im glad you've finally almost managed to admit you've not a leg to stand on.

i notice you started to simply ignore points made against your personal definitions of greek words too. Take that bit about when Jesus in John 8 said that 'before Abraham was...' being the same word Paul used to talk about JEsus being born of a real woman. You also ignored requests for a counter explanation of what Paul meant there.

Thats because its a clear example of Paul believing in a real historical Jesus that was actually born of a real women...just like all the gospels say too.

notice also how when you asked for a time when Paul said he met someone who had known a real Jesus, you ignored Galatians, despite it saying exactly that.

anyway. well done on descending to point of just posting 'NIGGER'. maybe one day you'll get so far as admitting your guru R Carrier is wrong, and that so were you.

>>512387412
But christ is God and dint get it right the first time? Lmao

>>512386889
Sure bro

>>512368577 (OP)
Welcome in the family, truth seeker.

>>512384043
Dog faggot. Weak effeminate christcattle

>>512391296
>But christ is God and dint get it right the first time? Lmao
Well, what did Jesus say? He said that it was permitted due to the hardness of peoples hearts. But Christ came to teach the fullness of the law, as you can see through Matthew 5-7. Lusting to look after a woman is called adultery, for example.
Its not that God taught something wrong. Its that He allowed a certain thing to go on, i a certain place, with a certain people and time...and then sent His Son in another time and place to expand that teaching and, more than that, to give people new hearts and minds via the Holy Spirit, so that they love the spirit of the law and not the word only.

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>>512368577 (OP)
>kike thread #666 gorillion

>>512385844
Jews are Caanites. The Hyskos are Caaanites and the Jews are the Hyskos down to the Hysos having Jew hair and also having Caanite weapons. If you believe Exodus or Deuteronomy your an imbecile

>>512390268
*perservance=preservance

>>512390773
>Using the claim to prove itself
wild as your claim is, it's not even close to a logical fallacy; that's like saying the Bible is based on cervantes' works, you totally fail in what you blame me of, and ignore the philological facts - scribes simply can't reach this level of accuracy without having a > 3k year tradition, and your filthy bong mouth doesn't help your cause much either, as you fail to see that while u and the macaco differ in your "reasonings" my claims as underdeveloped as they are make you both appear infants in terms of tradition, which you pretty much are.

>is not more plausible than the
oh but it is, very much is

>>512368577 (OP)
I feel you OP. I'm a Reformed Protestant. I attend one of the most Based, conservative Christian churches you can possibly attend. I'm descended from Puritans so far back it's crazy. I might even be descended from John Foxe. I know for a fact I have an ancestor who was an officer in Cromwell's New Model Army.

I'm quickly coming to a lot of the same conclusions. I've had a varied religious history in my 30 years on the planet and like lots of guys who were becoming teenagers in the Deus Vult era of Alt Right, I've got a very large amount of personal education on theology and church history.

I agree with everything you say except the following:
>Addendum that, historically, Christianity was supersessionist. But it was so easy to get people to adopt dispensationalism and it's co-dependent errors it's pointless. So this only halfway me disagreeing.
>I think there's truth to the, "Kike fan fiction." The religion was never there's, it was God's Word to the world. Did the Jews do the right thing with it? No. Do I think there's stuff in it that's worthwhile? Yes, but it's what is rooted in older traditions going back millennia - yes, in Aryan religions.
>I don't know if we were "best," under, "Pagan" Roman Rule or because of it. I do think Classical virtues were a lot more vital and productive. Look at how many survived the Baptismal font.
>I don't think the NT was a total psyop, either. I do think that there is something fishy about Paul. I'm hoping somewhere in that thread posts the copypasta breaking down how Paul might've been a snake oil salesman the entire time; maybe not like in the pocket of the Jewish Temple authorities but in the very least not with pure motives.
>Christianity has in-built copes for corruption. It has too much dependence on the institutions that have carried it's orthodoxy.

Personally? I'm going back to Hermeticism. Start with, "Secret Teachings of All Ages," by Manly P. Hall; thank me later.

>>512392257
>scribes simply can't reach this level of accuracy without having a > 3k year tradition
What? Why would a 3000 year tradition of manuscripts contain fewer errors than one which was only 50 years old?

>>512390146
>Never, ever try to say anything remotely that your kind existed before 2,8k years ago

it was but like 1.5k ago

stay mad cunt

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>>512369785
Jesus je suis LMAO
You motherfuckers find templars in oreo cookies, the church hasn't been writing for two thousand years just so a faggot online can play word games

>>512392366
similar reasoning to the uber slow development of a language until its relative fixation

>>512386630
Case in point, soγboy shit, you're not the god emperor of mankind pal, if they weren't killing for god they'd be killing for something else. Muh religion destroyed humanity, as if most people aren't subhumans now with secularism

>>512392380
I like how you didn't actually refute anything said here, kike.
Something like Exodus would've been known to the entire world, like the Sea-Peoples.
Do you dumbasses not realize Egypt used to be a Mediterranean superpower, a literal empire, that was the center of the entire Bronze Age world?
Kill. Your. Self.

>>512392772
frogposter sub-sub human, you fall short in you imbacilic manipulation and caught red handed
kys asap

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>>512386889
That's the toughest blond I've ever seen, was he a viking too?

>>512385629
If you're concerned about the choice in figure, let's remember that you can't throw a stick in a wignat rally without hitting a a fucking pedo

>>512392558
>similar reasoning to the uber slow development of a language
What? Language change is anything BUT slow. Ever watched a video (or even READ A BOOK) about how many vowel shifts English has endured over the last 1000 years?

Are you just copying this stuff from a website written by retards? These aren't actual thoughts that originated in your own brain, are they?