Thread 512385673

I have some real problems with the Epstein case and it mostly has to do with Maxwell’s arrest. She went ‘into hiding’ at a New Hampshire cottage before she was snagged, nearly a year after Epstein’s arrest/death.

I understand why they ‘shut down’ Epstein (at face value): the Miami Herald series made him ‘too hot to handle.’ This still leaves the question of why they couldn’t have just put a bullet in the back of his head, classic Hitman style. Maybe they didn’t appreciate the risk he posed until he was arrested; maybe they thought it would be more believable for him to die while in custody.

But Maxwell? She had a full year to flee the country. Why didn’t Mossad get her out? Was she, too, ‘shut down’? Why? Why would she willingly accept 20-35 years in prison, and the possibility of assassination, and the—even worse—possibility that her operation would be uncovered? It would have been a very simple thing to get her out of the country. Why didn’t they?

>>512385673 (OP)
Trump is supporting a non-white serial rapist of white children.

Epstein is connected to Israel, this is why Trump is covering it up. He doesn't want to risk the political fallout for Israel when people realize all of Epstein's clients were blackmailed and used as Israeli assets.

"The most concrete link is his relationship with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Epstein and Barak met numerous times between 2013 and 2017, with Barak visiting Epstein’s properties in Florida and New York approximately 30 times, including a 2014 private flight in Florida. Barak received $2.3 million from an Epstein-associated foundation between 2004 and 2006, and Epstein invested $1 million in a limited partnership established by Barak in 2015.

Another connection stems from Epstein’s ties to Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father, Robert Maxwell, was a British media mogul alleged to have had links to the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad. Some sources, including former Israeli intelligence officer Ari Ben-Menashe, have claimed Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a “honey-trap” operation for Mossad to blackmail influential figures. A lawsuit by a woman identified as Jane Doe 200 alleged Epstein boasted of being a Mossad agent.

Epstein was also associated with the Wexner Foundation, which supports Jewish leadership and has ties to Israel. His financial backer, Leslie Wexner, was a member of the “Mega Group,” a collection of Jewish philanthropists, which some, like former NSA counterspy John Schindler, have speculated was linked to Israeli intelligence operations. Epstein reportedly invested in an Israeli startup, Reporty Homeland Security (later rebranded as Carbyne), connected to Israel’s defense industry, further fueling speculation."

https://x.com/TCNetwork/status/1929574983421792437

Epstein is a jew who raped white girls and got other guys to rape white girls so he could blackmail them and use them as Israeli assets.

Trump is supporting the modern day Leo Frank.

>>512385893
Yes I know all of this.

>>512385673 (OP)

how many times
mossad dont need weapons and planes smuggled through europe ever since the us has been thier supplier since before the cold war or theyve had no need for another robert maxwell whey have a lobby now. people have an unfounded idea somehow israel needed her and jeffery epstein

>>512385673 (OP)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/510605595/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/510605595/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/510605595/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/510605595/

>>512386451
>>512386438
None of this addresses my question

>>512385673 (OP)
imagine if it was Iran doing it lmao. It would have been flattened in 2019.

>>512386652
>Why didn’t Mossad get her out?
LMFAO its a terrible premise, you arent getting real answers just x tier bullshit anon

>>512385673 (OP)
she already did the negotiation part with "their clients" back then in that " hideout "

>>512387046
Why was it necessary for her to be arrested if she was playing ball the whole time?

What if someone revealed everything that went down on that fucking island and then killed him fucking self afterwards?

>>512385673 (OP)
Jews whitewashing this little inconvenience.

Stop seeing them as people and you'll get your answer.
There are two layers of reality (or more) usually, the one that's designed for public consumption which is the layer that isolates Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as lone figures of interest like some riveting drama that was designed precisely for mass appeal, and the truth, which is that they are just the scapegoats that took the fall, like a CEO does when a company goes under.

You cannot make a giant pedophile island full of nubile 7-10 year olds as a lone billionaire, even as a lone billionaire with a blank cheque and a single Mossad handler like Ghislaine.
No, it would quite literally be a massive multinational collaboration. You'd need people to build everything, supply the physical materials, and the people. This already involved the hotel industry and the human trafficking industries (which are linked) and each employs millions of people. Imagine yourself on an island full of just children, whose purpose was to remain presentable for sex with high class politicians. It's untenable unless you had a massive supply and administrative network. You'd need people taking care of them, you'd need staff to help you operate the island, people to supply food, maintenance, pilots, mechanics etc.

No, Epstein and Maxwell are scapegoats for thousands of other unknown sponsors. Stop seeing them as people, they are plenipotentiaries for Israel and Mossad.

The question you have to ask is, what power shift led to them being charged and arrested at all? Who in the deep state or US intelligence apparatus butted heads with Epstein and Ghislaine's factions, and what is the true nature of the events that went down such that even the culpable parties that know the truth found the fake popular narrative to be most convenient? It's Israel and Mossad undoubtedly, but maybe the island was probably never for the expressed purpose of blackmailing US politicians. Maybe it's one of a CHAIN of hundreds of shadow resorts around the world

>>512388348
That’s all fine and dandy, but it leaves unanswered the particulars of the case. It won’t do to handwave them, they have real explanations. If you felt as strongly about the case and you seem to do, you would want these answers—at the very least you would be asking these questions.

>>512388608
Stop talking like a bitch and just state your opinion.

>>512385673 (OP)
LMAO I still remember when they did the OJ Simpson story.

>>512388348
Maybe it's one of a CHAIN of hundreds of shadow resorts around the world still operating to this day, with deep ties to an elite pedo and the global human trafficking system. So there are hundreds if not thousands of other Little Saint James operating around the world which are available to anyone that swears fealty to the global west or the international banking system (patrons think Saudis, Thai king, highest members of US and European elite that dictate policy like transgender agenda, vaccines, Internet censorship, funding of Israel in unison with no pushback).

In this scenario, everyone involved would find Epstein and Ghislaine as the lone wolf perpetrators to be the most convenient narrative, because there are others still on operation.

Hollywood didn't really die, it just shape-changed into Netflix.
The global elite pedo ring didn't die with Epstein's death and the seizure of Little Saint James, they just shape changed into something else.

>>512388348
LARP this is fbi you moron

>>512388348
>>512388825
LARP this is fbi you moron

my post took over a minute to appear tf is up with the slow refresh lul

>>512388744
I have no opinion. This is by far the biggest hole in the case for me, it’s makes no sense whatever. If she’s Mossad, if Mossad pulls the strings, I see no reason for her to be arrested 1 year after Epstein’s death. But please talk about how the Jews run the world—something I don’t necessarily dispute—thinking it somehow answers this question. If you can’t convince me, someone who is receptive, how will you hope to convince anyone else? You need to have answers to these questions.

>>512385673 (OP)
They killed a body double, the ears and nose don't match.

>>512389089
how many times?
this is the guy the isreali president says was trying to overthrow him.
>if she's mossad
both of you are morons, samefag

>>512388608
>but it leaves unanswered the particulars of the case.
If you're focused on Epstein and Ghislaine you've already fallen into their mental trap.
They want you to think Epstein and Little Saint James is a special lone case.
Think bigger, think how many companies would need to cater to such and island, how many people, how many suppliers and hukan trafficking networks. At some point you have to concede it was massive human operation.
To use a video game analogy this isn't a game made by a lone indie dev working out of his basement, this is one release developed by some triple AAA dev that was involved in this franchise before (DC Madam) and is still working on other franchises. This shit is Call of Duty XXXII or something.

There are probably hundreds of other Epstein type resorts operating still right now.

>>512388826
>>512388951
Looks like I've stumbled across the truth kek.

>>512389388
You’re just dodging the question by declaring it unanswerable, although I’m sure you have no problem answering some questions, when you feel you have the evidence to do so. The fact is these events happened at a certain time and they happened a certain way. We have to be able to answer, or at least entertain, why they happened at the time they did and why they happened the way they did. If it’s all a plot that means none of this is random and all of it is calculated. I just want us to take these questions seriously. I want us to have the strongest case possible.

>>512389089
Who is 'us'?

>>512389463
>>512389684
both give your takes on
>JULY 10, 2019 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party is demanding that Attorney-General Avichai Mandelblit open a criminal investigation against former prime minister Ehud Barak, demanding that he disclose his personal and business contacts with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/likud-to-ag-investigate-barak-and-his-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein-595184

>>512389898
What?

>>512389980
Well I saw in the US Virgin Islands v JPMorgan documents that Epstein was able to set up a meeting between Jes Staley and Netanyahu, so we have at least some idea that Epstein and Netanyahu knew eachother. Why would Netanyahu launch this political theatre into a rival? Opportunism, I suppose. But that’s from 2019. Do you know if anything came of it?

>>512389898
>I want us to have the strongest case possible

>>512389684
I've dodged nothing. You're asking for specifics that don't exist.
All that has already come out is about as much that anyone isn't in the know will likely ever know.

What you should be doing now is stop being distracted by the drama of the public narrative and extrapolate from the evidence.

Culpable parties involved that need to be torn out at their roots:
- the entire US establishment, both Cons and Dems, in all institutions, needs to be decapitated and replaced with 30 year olds (young enough to not have been involved), with older people retaining only consultation roles. Anyone with faintest ties to Israel must be disqualified from US office.
- human trafficking networks and drug trafficking networks. You're telling me world #1 superpower can't stop opioids but Singapore can? No gtfo with that, instate public executions for human and drug trafficking and abuse, with harsher punishments the more powerful you are. If you're rich, all assets seized and family members fined too.
- Israel, Mossad must be declared hostile foreign entities

>>512390012
>>512390467

>>512390467
“Us” meaning people interested in the Epstein case… please take your tinfoil hat off for a second.
>>512390533
Of course the specifics exist, just because we don’t know them doesn’t mean they’re unknowable. Nor does it mean we can’t speculate on them. You have no problem speculating on vague, general things but seem averse to speculating on specific things, which are in fact much more knowable than what you are positing

>>512385673 (OP)
>But Maxwell? She had a full year to flee the country. Why didn’t Mossad get her out? Was she, too, ‘shut down’? Why? Why would she willingly accept 20-35 years in prison, and the possibility of assassination, and the—even worse—possibility that her operation would be uncovered? It would have been a very simple thing to get her out of the country. Why didn’t they?
That would have been too bad of a look. She was probably promised a pardon early on, and likely would have already gotten it had Trump been reelected.

>>512389980
Stop falling for sectarian Israeli narratives. There is no good person or faction in the Israeli establishment. They're all evil and complicit with genocide. The entire country needs to be seized by the combined armies of the world (except USA which needs to get their own shit together and purge their internal corruption) and readministered.

>>512390684
I'm speculating on pragmatic things that matter.
You're speculating on individuals, one of whom is already dead or witness protection program'd.

The fact that the US law enforcement agencies are paralyzed and cannot investigate Epstein's case let alone the human trafficking industry that was one of its suppliers tells us all we need to know, no speculation required and this thing to know is that THEY WERE ALL COMPLICIT. The entire US establishment, the entire Israel establishment, and everyone they have under their power or employ globally.

You can focus on the small immaterial specifics but this is the big picture. And the only way you're going to fix it is with a revolution, a collapse, a purging, a complete overhaul of the US and Israeli countries.

>>512390782
Thank you for actually engaging with the questions. I agree it would have looked incriminating for her to flee, but who would this incriminate other than herself? You also mention a potential pardon: wouldn’t this be a far worse ‘look’ than anything else? Pardoning her would be impossible to explain to the public and would incriminate whoever gave the pardon.

>>512385673 (OP)
>It would have been a very simple thing to get her out of the country. Why didn’t they?
Because it's part of plan to normalize pedophilia picrel. Pam Bondi was instrumental in halting the investigation into Epstein as AG of Florida. Joe Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth are all part of the plan of pre-programming the US into pedophilia acceptance, a "Playground" country.

>>512391203
I don’t dispute your big picture, I’m just trying to connect the dots. Why would Maxwell voluntarily be arrested and imprisoned for decades? Why was this necessary? What would it accomplish—for your big picture—that simply assassinating her or spiriting her away would not have? Why would the Jizzler agree to sacrifice herself is this was not necessary? She clearly is a true-believer and was never going to spill the beans—or else she would be dead right now. But why was it necessary at all? It seems that it actually created further risks. These are questions worth asking.

>>512385673 (OP)
If you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank owns you
If you owe the bank a billion dollars you own the bank

Game of thrones involves trying to become to big to fail.

Best way to control a revolution is to lead it yourself

It doesnt seem far fetched that the strategy is to try to make the story explode so your adversaries fear collateral damage so they continue exercising their leverage.

So they want to break the story on their terms. All this publicity and angling seems condusive to such things.

Fiat money us an unstable collusive equilibrium and they only last on average 60 years so its about time to head to the lead standard

Threadly reminder that using fiat enables this and ones t8me is better spent forming barter networks in the woods

>>512390822
LARP

>>512390168
conspiracies you hear from trump about clinton or netanyahu about barak led to nowhere and appears to be political
can you even grasp sweetheart deal as blackmail, do you understand?
we know it happened
>because of alex acosta and intelligence
we know the fbi were in on the deal
until some time before 2019
you just have to work out what the deal was and how it ended

and there's your story
https://youtu.be/DD_PRtEpMC4?t=2

Another massive supplier and human trafficking hub was Ukraine.
After the fall of the soviet union, US officials and businessmen entered Ukraine and turned it into their personal playground for child prostitutes.
I think Putin even says it several times, that soviet dignity was insulted with these US businessmen having orgies with tons of kids, don't know how much kompramat Russia still has.
But yea it was so prevalent it even leaked out into the normie world with those modeling studios (Elle Esse, etc), which served as catalogues or portfolios US officials could contact to get into touch with the Ukrainians procuring the talent.

>>512391498
>Why would Maxwell voluntarily be arrested
Because even though she was implicated she's not a lone person as I've said. She's plenipotentiary for multiple factions, mossad, Israel, and US.

Do you even know who her father was? And do you even know how many deep connections she and all her sisters have? You cannot kill someone at her level without starting multiple wars with multiple factions.
Epstein was different, Epstein was low level grunt compared to Ghislaine.

>>512392118
>she wuz le secrit jane bond
>she locked up nicely for a year or fifty

>>512392118
Of course I know her backstory, that’s what makes this situation so perplexing. After Epstein’s arrest, she disappears from public view for an entire year. When they find her in her cottage, she has tinfoil wrapped around a cell-phone, some totally amateur shit that would have no effect anyways. So you can explain it away by saying it’s all theatre but that doesn’t answer the question of why the theatre was necessary. Epstein is already dead, and operation is already shut down, and the secrets are already protected. WHY did Jizzler have to be arrested? Why couldn’t she just disappear? If she’s so highly placed, so powerful, why consign her to a jail-cell for the rest of her life? Do you think they have more control of her while she’s in there? We have already established she will never spill the beans, why the need to keep her in a cell?

>>512391787
>these US businessmen having orgies with tons of kids, don't know how much kompramat Russia still has.

Lol, But you are just spouted the same crap of the steel dossier's shower in another wording.

>>512390822
Cool it with the anti-semitics delusion

>>512392520
they were after jeffery
she's accused in the files
shes arrested
not really algebra is it? be honest

>>512392427
>she's totally locked up guise
>this is what her cell looks like, totally
>believe us, please
How many times has this happened in history again? Millions of times?
Remember how Stalin who worked for the secret police was 'arrested' and sent to the Siberian gulag for a month before escaping and then suddenly able to become leader of Russia?
Yea if you believe these popular narratives I have a bridge to sell you.

>>512392520
The question is how the story ever became a story to begin with sure, that's what I'm saying we need to ask.
Which factions behind the scenes clashed that led to their arrest in the first place.

But everything downstream after the story became public like with Ghislaine etc al has already been poisoned by the well of public knowledge demanding resolution.
Anything that does come out from Ghislaine now can be disregarded as a narrative crafted to placate the masses.

>>512391231
She comes from Mossad royalty, and everybody knows it. Her being able to flee would reflected poorly on Israel.

We're looking at everything in the context of the world after Trump and his Rumble mutt appointees handled the cover-up in the worst way possible, but, in the world before that, it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. Epstein was dead, and the storysrhwly forgotten. They could have presented her as another victim manipulated into helping him in the same way girls who aged out would. Not to say a pardon wouldn't have been met with some outrage, but it would have overshadowed when Trump tweeted out something to trigger the libs, or maybe pardoned some polarizing celebrity.

>>512392621
>steel dossier's shower
I have no idea what that is. I have no special interest in Ghislaine and Epstein's case specifically, I just know history and know how the world works. This is like just the latest pressure valve from a series of pressure valves we've seen every few decades. Like DC Madam.

>>512393064
LARP

>>512392996
So you think there is no connection to Intelligence at all? This is just Epstein-Maxwells private operation? Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not being sarcastic or argumentative.

>>512385673 (OP)
>no titty pick on cover
Not watching.

>>512393064
Well the best explanation I have encountered is that the Miami Herald series “Perversion of Justice” began in December 2018 and ran through 2019. This is what brought Epstein back into the light and made him “too hot to handle.” I don’t believe this expose was a plot, it was just good muckraking journalism. This knocked over the first domino. Now we know Epstein isn’t a true believer, he’s willing to pull down the pillars like Samson and bring the whole temple down with him—something Ghislaine would never do, or she would have already “committed suicide.” I can see a good argument for killing Epstein in jail as it can be passed off as a suicide; had Epstein died ‘mysteriously’ just as this expose was in the air, it would have invited further scrutiny, maybe. I know about factional squabbles, how digital surveillance has become a much better, more effective, and less risky method for collecting blackmail compared to Epstein-Maxwells old fashioned 20th century methods. That all jives with me: shut it down, it’s too risky, especially now with the expose; we have better methods.

It’s the handling and timeline of Maxwell I can’t make sense of. I suppose it could placate the masses (theatre) as you say, but it hasn’t really had that effect. But what if she changes her mind somewhere along the way and decides she wants to talk? Why even introduce that risk by taking her off the chessboard and putting her in confinement?

>>512393255
its fbi
pbso investigated for three years
he becomes fbi informant
fbi arrests him
again?
https://youtu.be/uY1DZU2Hhnc

>>512393871
To clarify, the expose couldn’t have been a plot because it doesn’t make any sense to bring all this into the public light if your main priority is secrecy. If secrecy was the goal, all they had to do was assassinate Epstein before.

>>512385673 (OP)
No one could do the shit these two did while being entangled by organisations like that, more likely that they used the Mossad than viceversa.

>>512385673 (OP)

...look, epstein isnt dead, and maxwell is still alive because she hasnt compromised anyone who is powerfull enough to kill her until today!

yes, killing someone because he knows something about you is the easy solution, but whats when this person knows stuff about your most hated enemy?

an operation on this level isnt done by people who dont know what they do, its a well balanced structure of couter interests that can always be balance against each other ...

..and, deadman's switch! whats when maxwell has something like this installed, killing her would activate it for 100%, when she is alive, its 30/70 ...

...spies are different people! >150

>>512385673 (OP)
because she knows she's getting pardon and just had to hold out
the Epstein files were a HOAX originally created by the Clinton administration as ammunition in order to smear and ruin the careers of Trump, Epstein and numerous other well connected people in real estate, finances and politics. the Bush DoJ was stupid enough to think it was real and went after Epstein followed by the Obama who actively went after them while ignoring Democrat pedophiles like John Podest and James Alefantis.
Trump arrested them during his first term and made a show of it in order to protect them but Epstein's poor mental health due to the abuse from Democrat prison guards drove him to suicide. he's tried to get the truth out there but then Biden stole the election and sat on it, like Obama working in secret to harm our country at the direction of the Russian government. just look at the whole "pee tapes" fake news.
I trust our President, we just have to stand firm behind him while he fully drains the swamp

>>512385673 (OP)
hubris, think about the fact that she was reddit's top mod and propagandist, living in a minimum security resort now

>>512394121

..one thing i forgot to mention is, this two, havent dome the whole operation alone, you can be sure that there are dozens of people involved who known exactly whats up, the issue is, noone knows them!

srsly, dont be such fucking noobs!

>>512385673 (OP)
The Maxwell family is absolute nuts.
Some Paranoid Fiction tier shit. Deep ass rabbit hole.

>>512389089
Because Epstein/Maxwell obtained dirt on the *wrong* person who had more power/connections than them and was more important to Mossad, so Mossad agreed to kill Epstein and Maxwell agreed to be the fall guy, with assurances she would be freed if she does/says the right things (they will eventually kill her, when they can do so with plausible deniability) *like a plane crash. CAP this

>>512391787
then why not release their kompromat? obviously it's not getting them the results they want to keep it quiet.

>>512396072
Yes this is a good theory. I have also speculated that they tried to blackmail the “wrong people” and this is why they were shut down. As for Jizzler volunteering to take the fall, also very plausible.

>>512393064
>how the story ever became a story to begin with
Exactly, these types of things never make it public
I have no doubt shit like this is all over the globe, happening 24/7, kids being defiled right this second
Why this blew up and who made it happen? Fucking weird if it was unintentional, back then glowniggers didn't hire incompetent jeets. Maybe it is a fuck up on someone's part, but I tend to think it was made public for a reason
Eh, probably doesn't matter what the reason was, all these undercurrents, people who did it probably don't know why themselves, it's a shitshow full of schizos and sociopaths because only those make it to the dark side, behind the curtains