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Any Mexicans want to share insight into cartels? I feel like as an American we don't hear the average Mexicans POV just shit like "SEND THE ARMY IN AND INVADE!!! AMERICA #!!!!!"

How do cartels affect your life?
How has the situation changed in your city/state in the last 5 years?

What do you see as possible ways to move things in the right direction?

What percent of Mexicans have a positive view of the cartels? Is it just poor people who go "Dey built da road here" or are there some people who genuinely like them that aren't involved? Is it sort of a stockholm syndrome situation? Or "America bad so we gotta love them cartels?"

How do you see Mexico ever defeating the cartels or taking back control of cities and rooting out the widespread corruption?

How do you even keep track of all the different factions in cartels. The more I look into it it's like
>the x cartel, which is broken into the a, b, c, d factions that are always fighting each other but sometimes work together

I want to hear from a Mexianon who lived in Los Zetas territory during their peak in like the early 2010's. They must have seen some insane shit.

>>512387310 (OP)
Oh whatever happened to USA ready to invades Mexico threads 3 weeks ago?

>>512387310 (OP)
>How do cartels affect your life?
They affect everyone every day. Even in ways you don't think about. Every check, every stop, every death causes hold ups in traffic and in offices. It's bad.

>How has the situation changed in your city/state in the last 5 years?
Funnily enough. Violent. It's gotten more violent, but outside the city. So city dwellers actually have less crime.

>What do you see as possible ways to move things in the right direction?
Your government has done stuff. You don't know what's been going down at the boarders and in the tunnels right? Robots are down there. People getting blown up. Some crazy bastards are drilling down there with machine we've never even heard of.

>What percent of Mexicans have a positive view of the cartels?
Less than 5%.

>Is it just poor people who go "Dey built da road here" or are there some people who genuinely like them that aren't involved?
They are kind of thankful, but really, most of the time they're just in it for money. As in, at the expense of everyone else. Money isn't engineering prowess. They buy and sell drugs. That's it. If it didn't make money, they would do nothing. If anything those roads are to pacify people so they won't be too mad.

>Is it sort of a stockholm syndrome situation or "America bad so we gotta love them cartels?"
Mostly it's necessity.

>How do you see Mexico ever defeating the cartels or taking back control of cities and rooting out the widespread corruption?
Gringos are literally pushing their shit in thanks to the pincer they pulled off with El Salvador. They are still quietly closing in on them from both sides.

>How do you even keep track of all the different factions in cartels. The more I look into it it's like: the x cartel, which is broken into the a, b, c, d factions that are always fighting each other but sometimes work together

One of their greatest weaknesses. Always fighting each other and everyone else. You can keep track easily. Just look for who buys guns.

>>512387310 (OP)
satanists, funded by state department

>>512388678
Why a memeflag?

What’s the obsessions of white Americans with Mexican drug cartels? First it was the Italian mafia, then it Muslim terrorist organizations and now Mexicans. Are you mayo monkeys always afraid of something or someone? Remember JADE HELM and Obama? Well that orange nigger is the one doing that and for some reason you retards are not afraid.

>>512389404
I'm not afraid of the cartels I've been to Mexico many times. Just interested

Cartel shit will never end as long as drug use continues and it's illegal, crimes like drug traffic, people traffic, money laundering, corrupt politicians, kidnapping among other things like pedophiles and other heinous crimes don't get the death penalty. But our government is also part of the cartels so this will never end.

>>512389471
What’s there to know? It’s just criminal beaners with weapons who supply drugs to addicts. The us government can stop this but they need them. What happens if crimes goes down? Well jobs go down. It’s a never ending cycle of bullshit.

>>512388541
>3 weeks ago
Some quick math shows 2 more weeks

>>512387310 (OP)

Interesting stuff about Arizona.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/26/about-that-explosive-arizona-senate-testimony-alleging-sinaloa-cartel-influence-over-public-officials/

>>512389732
Yeah this seems pretty accurate. I live near the border and faggots cry about the cartel while buying drugs and funding the cartel. I turn down a bump of blow and people act like I’m insulting them when really I just don’t want to fund murderous drug empires or die of fent. Most of these retards are maga types too who don’t stfu about drug trafficking.

>>512387310 (OP)
I can tell you many things but the real problem is the United States, the entire "war" against drug trafficking is a psyop to keep Latin American countries sunk in chaos because it is easier to interfere politically to steal natural resources and lobby in favor of American corporations, if they really wanted to end the cartels they would have to start by addressing the demand for drugs and illegal weapons that cross into Mexico and the US government does not do it, it only pressures the Mexican government for political reasons and nothing more.

>>512387310 (OP)
>Send the Army!!!
You mean, this army? Geez. What could possibly go wring?

>>512389732
The only way to solve the problem of violence is with an authoritarian government like China. It demands death for anyone who sells or buys drugs. It installs cameras on every street with facial recognition.

>>512390605
The Chinese are there too. Another reason the cities have become safer. Cameras are being set up. Facial recognition "Sponsored by Huawei".
The Mexicans are trying to play multiple fronts. Even the Russians are there trying to perform political activism. It's more of the same shit. The only difference is that the fuckers in the tunnels are getting obliterated. People chalk it down to seismic activity but there is something else down there this time.

>>512390433
I don't disagree with this. Cartels were not that big of a deal until the border was militarized and the war on drugs began

>>512387310 (OP)
Nobody cares what Mexicans think. It's not a lot.

>>512387310 (OP)
>How do cartels affect your life?
They permeate most aspects of society. From real-estate to politics to even mining, agriculture, and medicine. I've encountered narcos many times thorough my life and many businesses and agencies belong to them. Not all of them are retarded foot soldiers at made up checkpoints.
>How has the situation changed in your city/state in the last 5 years?
Violence exploded and their hegemony became all but absolute
>What do you see as possible ways to move things in the right direction?
It's such a difficult subject that I don't know enough about that I can't really propose a solution. Especially in a country with cero justice.
>What percent of Mexicans have a positive view of the cartels?
Leftists consider them part of the people and are overly concerned with their human rights. Part of it is because the generate income for welfare and fund political campaigns, but also because they somehow believe it's America's fault that these people break the law in a sort of blame displacement and gaslighting way. The right is reactive at best and in my opinion, it's not clearly defined. It's not like I'm the US.
>How do you see Mexico ever defeating the cartels or taking back control of cities and rooting out the widespread corruption?
I believe the cartels are stronger than the government. Sheimbaum is cutting defense spending by half afaik, so you tell me.
>How do you even keep track of all the different factions in cartels
Personally I don't. I've encountered them all over Mexico and interacted with them and only CJNG had insignia for me to recognize. I used to travel a lot on my motorcycle before things got too hot so I met plenty of them and plenty of autodefensas.

>>512391273
Do they kill random people that are not involved in crime?

>>512388296
>>512387310 (OP)
>>512388678

The irony isn't lost on me that the meme posters are all third worlders hence the radioactive takes.

How involved are Israeli linked gangs and malicious? There's a couple big favela gangs in Brazil with full support to the point of wearing the same uniforms as the IDF.
Anything like that going on in the playground of the CIA known as Mexico

>>512391273
What state are you from? What’s funny every Mexican family has at least one narco member or relative who is involved with drug cartels. I see the Mexican cartels eventually turning into a yakuza type of organization.

>>512391195
>I don't disagree with this
You should. It's reductionist. This is a failed state. The government could legalize weapons ownership and expand self defense laws, but that would diminish the State's monopoly over violence. It's the same "but gringos provide weapons and consume the drugs" shtick the government peddles. Mexico's responsibility is to maintain its rule of law, and it's inability to do so is what affects neighboring countries. What about South American countries that are affected by the narcos? That would mean they're at fault as well for having demand. I place the blame entirely on the Mexican population including its government. A major societal change wound be required and that implies opposite of the tolerance and enabling of past administrations and especially latest socialist ones.

>>512391595
Yes. Just last week they kidnapped and killed an elderly woman who was a taxi driver, just because she refused to pay them a quota just so she could work. They forced her to record a video too. The governor of the state then came out and said she died of a heart attack, and that the kidnappers did not murder her. That's the vile type of politicians ruling most of the country, because at least half of our citizens are retarded and they vote for Morena, the current ruling party, because they get gibs.

>>512391909
With Sheinbaum and the Zionists aid in the US? Very. Not that it matters to the average gringo. They are still happy to jackboot their way through favelas and jungles so long as they get their pay, but it's difficult to infiltrate a people with a culture so foreign to them. Spanish and meztica does not make an easy conquest. Especially when they can't do what they did to Vietnam. So they try to control the sea. Hence the whole for "Gulf of America." But it's getting serious. You can see it with the destabilisation of New York. Those ivory towers stopped whirring and the white powder stopped flowing because demand grinded to a halt. I don't know who our angel is who is doing this for us. I just hope he leads a long and prosperous life.

https://youtu.be/OSwxD6e_Ftk

>>512391595
Sort of. There's collateral damage to their campaigns, and cases of murder and kidnapping against civilians and foreign nationals. Although they appear to enforce violence on a targeted way, the crime they generate affects the innocent.
>>512392068
I live in CDMX and used to travel by land on my motorcycle through the country. There are minor cartels here as well which aren't that well known, such as the Tlahuac cartel.

>>512392307
Ah fugg I read about that. Did you see the attorney general from Tamaulipas get smoked?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM9KpYwNmtL/

>>512387310 (OP)
Cartels are gay and reddit

>>512387310 (OP)
Cartels are the vain of the existence of Mexico, CDMX are mainly the top kikes in charge of these rabid dogs, pretty sure cdmx uses the cartel to subjugate all the other states, so in esence mexico was never independent to begin with. In all honestly I don't consider my country an actual country more of a farse, and the dead keep piling so much than a USA invasion won't seem any different, but we all know trump is all bark no bite so the USA destroy all the cartels is mostly a meme to distract from the Epstein files or some shit.

>>512387310 (OP)
not much to say
just the classic psyops
forced recuitment
mass clandestine graves

>>512392307
>>512392985
Violent Aztecs. Descendants of cannibals.

>>512393339
Those abrazos were hot

>How do cartels affect your life?
Bit of stress, its like remembering my slutty towns bike aunt

>How has the situation changed in your city/state in the last 5 years?
I think extorsion has increased but I wouldnt know

>What do you see as possible ways to move things in the right direction?
Useless as long as you guys bank roll em


>What percent of Mexicans have a positive view of the cartels? Is it just poor people who go "Dey built da road here" or are there some people who genuinely like them that aren't involved? Is it sort of a stockholm syndrome situation? Or "America bad so we gotta love them cartels?"

I mean they know the cartel operated outside the rat race so thats admirable


>How do you see Mexico ever defeating the cartels or taking back control of cities and rooting out the widespread corruption?

You should stop financing them

>How do you even keep track of all the different factions in cartels. The more I look into it it's like
>the x cartel, which is broken into the a, b, c, d factions that are always fighting each other but sometimes work together

Theyll tell you everything you want to know and more thats all they do in their free time

>>512391273
How accurate is the movie Sicario?

>>512392439
Not through usa, through Israel directly like in multiple other South Americans countries. Remember, Israel tried to kill Trump a couple times so they are at best frenmies

>>512390029
Arizona is just a cursed state. The evil just seeps from there, I’d rather give it back to Mexico

>>512397626
I think it's very accurate regarding cartel v. cartel v. government. They fall short on the Federal police side of things. I would've liked to see GAFE but it's alright. I've crossed that border crossing before. I saw convoys of trucks with US license plates heading north in Tamaulipas. I felt under constant surveillance. Frens that live there might say I'm a retard but there's something eerie when you get to the border that the movie captures well.

>>512387310 (OP)

How do cartels affect your life?

well, I can't go out, go party, let my children play outside,

How has the situation changed in your city/state in the last 5 years?

its worst, since there are no people joining the cartel, the forced recruitment, mass dissappearances and fake job offers have increased

What do you see as possible ways to move things in the right direction?
at this point, end with the whole population

What percent of Mexicans have a positive view of the cartels?
none

Is it just poor people who go "Dey built da road here" or are there some people who genuinely like them that aren't involved?

anybody that's involved with the cartels is disappearing people

Is it sort of a stockholm syndrome situation? Or "America bad so we gotta love them cartels?"

there's no stockholm syndrome here, is just paranoia

How do you see Mexico ever defeating the cartels or taking back control of cities and rooting out the widespread corruption?

How do you even keep track of all the different factions in cartels. The more I look into it it's like

>>512387310 (OP)
The Narco music is the worst. It's basically recruitment for the cartels. That's the main difference. More people are getting killed but it's mainly other narcos so good riddance.

>>512403096
that's a lie Ms. Sheimbaum

>>512397626
it's missing a lot, it barely touches the surface