Thread 512403746

>didn’t take Trump’s tariff threat seriously
>get hit 39% tariffs on Swiss products
>businesses in Switzerland told you to go to Washington D.C and propose a deal to lower tariffs
>scramble to get a plane ticket the next day to get there
>Trump nor any of his trade team didn’t even bother meeting you
>Get told to fuck off by Marco Rubio
This is embarassing holy shit. How do you fuck up this bad? Swiss goods are already expensive and getting slapped by 39% tariffs on top of it basically tells “we don’t want your shit”.

>>512403746 (OP)
>still pretending the exporting country pays the tax

>>512403913
Tariff is a form of trade barrier. Importers will refuse to take your shit if it doesn’t sell. Either jack up the prices and get your products outcompeted by cheaper alternatives or eat up import taxes and operate in a loss. Why do you think trade partners are negotiating to lower Trump’s tariffs?

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>>512404591
>>512403913
Americans only buy swiss shit to flexpost about how much money they can waste. Tariffs and just dumping the cost consumer side will just feed into that status symbol.

>>512403913
It still hurts the exporting country because they wont sell as much

>>512403913
They do with lots of sales what do you need from Switzerland a Swiss army knife, chocolate or maybe a Rolex?

>>512403913
This anon trusts the media and believes the experts.

>>512405444
this anon trusts zion don

>>512403746 (OP)
Pay up welfare niggers, we hold all the cards and you can't do shit.

>>512403746 (OP)
Hahahaha, well to be fair, the USA has never needed anything from Switzerland. They're a big deal in europe but America doesn't give a fuck.

>>512403746 (OP)

Only rich people buying Swiss goods and they don't care how high tariffs are....Swiss well knowing this.

>>512405133
Its mostly medicine and machine parts

>>512405133
Good, let those dumb faggots pay for my dividends.

>>512405902
This. None of these idiots here realize how bad this will fuck our shitty economy even more. These countries don't need us, we need them.

>>512406227
why are they scrambling for a deal? by this logic they just hold off and walk away with an even better deal on their end

>>512406227
What do you "need" from Switzerland?

>>512406859
Tariffs hurt both parties, but it hurts us way more because we don't make anything or only have small manufacturing for the tariffed products that are way more expensive and are small-scale compared to what is needed. We lose, and the big corporations will try to raise prices even more on shit even if the tariff is miniscule like what they did during the "supply chain shortages".

>>512407031
Like what it says in the chart: medications and manufacturing parts. It's true. Tons of medications and machine parts are made in Switzerland just like Germany.

>>512407126
you tried explaining the nature of tariffs instead of the core question of why the swiss are so desperate to lower the tariffs. you make it seem like they have a lot more leverage

>>512403746 (OP)
Why is the Swiss government treating this as some existential economic threat? Why can't they be their own best customer, and invest in the middle class and those working hard to join it?

>>512407216
Next time buy American.

>>512405133
So, wealth distribution from the rich? Isn't that what libs have been demanding

>>512407126
>don't make anything
You are a lying faggot

>>512407329
this. a fucking leaf is better suited for the job than "our" retarded party representatives.
>>512403746 (OP)
picrel is not "our president". Burgers are a fucking 2 digit average iq country. This is just one of many points in case.

>>512403913
It's bad for the exporter because they lose sales too. It's a retarded lose-lose policy.

I'm counting down the days until a midterm blue wave takes away grandpa's car keys.

>>512407031
Chocolate
>but
NEED

>>512407272
>you make it seem like they have a lot more leverage

It still fucks them over and hurts their economy, but it won't push its citizens into deeper poverty like the US.

>>512407781
>It still fucks them over and hurts their economy,
At least we don't speak burger.

>>512407781
Americans are still rich, so we can suck it up. It also helps that the biggest MIGA rural retards have things like healthcare paid for by disability and Medicaid, so they don't feel the pain.

>>512407272
I don't buy that tarrifs only hurt the importer, otherwise Europe wouldn't be tarrifing or even outright prohibiting the importing of our goods.
But. In the hypothetical that it hurts us 100 and only hurts them 05, they may still scramble to mitigate the damage based on how tight their budgets are.

>>512408087
>Americans are still rich, so we can suck it up

No. Median income in the US is $42K, we pay almost as much in taxes as European countries like Switzerland do, but we still have to pay for all of the benefits they get through their taxes, out of pocket. Rent is way more expensive here too and cars create car insurance dependency which eats away at your paycheck too. Americans are fucking poor unless you are a boomer or a woman.

>>512403746 (OP)
SUCK DICK SURSTOMËN ICE JEWS AND YOUR NIGGER RAPE HOARDS

>>512408102
Most of what we tariff is because of higher standards. Like bleached chicken or too polluting cars.
Still, the chinks were right. We (as in Eurasia) should have played together and fucked you right back instead of being divided.

>>512403913
In many, maybe even most cases, the exporter does indeed pay the tax.

>>512403746 (OP)
From Swiss flags I've seen in here I got an impression that all of them are an unsufferable douchebags thinking too high about themselves.

>>512407781
Switzerland only has 9 Million population and they lose 300 million cosumer base from America due to high tariffs. Do the math retardbro.

>>512408102
>But. In the hypothetical that it hurts us 100 and only hurts them 05

It doesn't matter if they ban our products because our products are shittier than their domestic products.

>>512403913
their business will most likely decline which means tariffs is bad for them as well (even if Americans are celebrating getting a new tax added kek)

>>512408687
>lose 300 million cosumer base from America due to high tariffs.

They're less effected because Americans need the shit Europe produces more than they need our business. The irony is that these tariffs are just going to fuck the manufacturing here even more and it will raise prices here even more.

>>512408558
I get that impression too and a surprising number aren’t white

>>512408324
>Rent is way more expensive here
No it is not. America has some of the lowest housing expenditures relative to income in the developed world.

>>512403913
>1pbtid
Remember this shillpost the next time you faggots want to argue about tariffs.

>>512408897
The world benefitted from America’s low trade barriers and kept many countries industries thriving for several decades by buying their shit. Trump is turning that faucet off now.
>They're less effected because Americans need the shit Europe produces
Only offshored meds which are excempted from tariffs for now, and rare minerals that China holds. That’s why Trump wants to annex Greenland for its resources and strategic position. USA doesn’t need European wine, spirits, luxury brands, rolex, etc… which will get hit by import levies.

Applying tariffs is dumb since we use fiat currency. We trade the rest of the world pieces of paper in exchange for actual physical goods. What moron would try to upend this? We were ripping everyone off before with our fiat toilet paper like money.

>>512410489
Trump, the kind of guy that could bankrupt a casino and not learn from that.

>>512407781
Certified retard shit right here, bud. Just admit you're regurgitating some retard shit from your fake and gay freshman econ class and abandon thread.

>>512407031
1) Drug that are protected by patents.
So you can compensate with manufacturing them at home.

2) Machine parts... that are important for your manufacturing industry. So in this case, it's a lose-lose situation.

But I do not really understand the Trump strategy... as it will also damage the US

>>512410589
>Certified retard shit right here, bud.

US makes nothing and almost everyone works as an impoverished, service economy worker. Some college economic class would be saying how great and rich America is and how poor and horrible every other country is.

>>512410557
Its like the dumb libertarians who rand and rave that we use fake fiat currency. Then when it comes to spending that fake fiat currency to advance rightwing causes, libertarians act like its actual gold that is being spent.

>>512410710
>No you can't just make that medicine, I have le patent!
We will just steal your recipe, fuck Bjorg gonna do?

Good, fuck those mountain jews.

>>512403913
>exporting country doesn't pay the tax, the importing country does
>this is why the exporting country overnighted their president to the importing country to beg on bended knee face to face for a reduction in tariffs
>because the exporting country doesn't pay the tax
lmao

>>512410850
There is also plenty of pharma/biotech in the US.
They would lose more if patent aren't recognize internationally.
It would be a big lose for the US also

>>512410710
They don't realize that a lot of high precision, sterile, cleanroom tier manufacturing equipment is made by Germany, Switzerland, Northern Italy and that the USA spend millions of on the equipment as well as additional millions of dollars paying European engineers to come here and set it up for us because we're too retarded to manufacture it and set it up ourselves.

Winter isn't all that far away. What will we do without comfy hot chocolate from Switzerland? You expect me to drink hot chocolate from Utica?

>>512403746 (OP)
Trump is king.

>>512410836
This is literally how he bankrupted multiple casinos. He thought they weren't favorable enough to the house, jacked up the odds, and the patrons just stopped showing up because they were tired of getting fucked with.

>>512403913
>the goods you export to the US suddenly become 39% more expensive overnight for your US customers
It's really hard to foresee what happens next

>>512411436
Less demand, but then they'll maintain demand from higher income customers. If you lose 10% of your base, but make ahead by net 5% from price increases then that would be good.
But it's swiss goods so it may or may not effect them as bad in some regards. Still will have a better economy than the US with an ever weakening dollar

What's the point of even tariffing Switzerland? All they sell are chocolates and watches. Hardly a threat to the American economy.

>>512411088
They'll just do what they've always done.
Change a few small details in the exicpients and minimally modify api.
There, now we have a "new" product.
God forbid you have anything older than 20 years, that is just free game.
USA has done this before to other countries, Switzerland ain't special.

>>512411749
Luxury goods are not affected that much, yes, but the 39% increase (or 29% if the tariff were 10%) of the price goes to the US government

>>512411232
The idiots here underestimate that a giant part of Europe's economy is manufacturing, not just le tourism. We literally depend on many of these manufacturers too.

>>512411757
STICKIN IT TO DAVOS

>>512411757
Trump thinks trade deficits are stolen wealth from America. Yeah I know I don’t get that logic either but you gotta suck up to him and let him get what he wants or GET BLOCKED FROM 300 MILLION MARKET WITH STRONG PURCHASING POWER.

>>512411749
>If you lose 10% of your base

>>512405902
Creating opportunity for US manufacturing in those key areas. We may overpay a little for a while but we've been great in both those areas before and we can do it again.

>>512412382
He tariffed those sectors' raw materials too, which combined with the American wage premium makes those products even less competitive.

>>512406227
>no you don't understand we have to let other countries take advantage of us, it's for our own good

>>512412162
>change minimal piece
>it still falls under biotech
>get fined for tariff evasion

>>512405133
how is this a bad thing?
This sounds like a luxury tax for rich retards. Everyone should love this.

>>512412269
I wish, otherwise Von Der Leyen won’t suck his dick.

>>512411052
The tarriffs are bad for their businesses, when it costs more less people will buy it, and will buy less of it.
So while we pay more for things, their companies suddenly loose a lot of business and that means people loosing jobs factories closing.
But at least you got your gotcha!

>>512407126
We develop domestic manufacturing of machine parts and medicines. Meanwhile, import tariffs go against our government deficit.

Trump is fixing so many basic things in the economy.

>>512412513
>American wage premium makes those products even less competitive.

I realized that the American way of life is so expensive and artificial that it's very easy for other countries to out-do us.

Take for example making copper. The raw good is equal if it's of the same percentage of copper through and through. The good is as simple as you can get. This means that whatever company that produces it the cheapest will earn the most profit. This means countries with low wages.

Now, the biggest thing people don't realize is that low wages don't mean a low quality of life. For example, some 3rd world engineer may only be paid $12K a year, but his taxes are probably less, and his taxes go to services such as healthcare that he can actually use. He probably can just take a bus to work and walk to the store, so he doesn't need to piss with kike car insurance or paying for a mechanic. His rent may only be $150 / month. You see my point.

America is done. If you want to have a future, go to some other country before the dollar dumps and all of the rich Americans flee to the country you choose to go to.

>>512413201
You're just wrong. As a percentage of income a Thai professional in Bangkok is getting fucked about as hard.

>>512412269
We want that manufacturing capability here rather than having to buy from you or other foreigners, since Europe is basically doomed anyway. And if you depend on those manufacturers, that's your job to be Europe First not ours.

>>512413201
The third world - first world model can still work, as long as our economy isn't too artificial. Trump is bringing back the economy. Rather than buying in medicines and machines parts, we'll again make them here. We are capable of doing it.

And raw materials mostly we'll import. Use up the copper ore deposits somewhere else while that's cheaper than using ours.

>>512413176
Nigger, overall the cost of goods have only been raised around 2% since tariffs started, but has generated over 100 billion in revenue alone. That's before those "people losing jobs factories closing" means more job domestically.
The tariffs are working, to the point that even leftist retards like Bill Maher on his show is admitting that maybe all the "sky is falling!" rhetoric was full of shit and maybe we should let this play out
tldr: cope and seethe, you lost

>>512413361
I don't think "align with the US, get poorer" is a winning pitch. We beat commies by saying and demonstrating "work with the US, you'll get rich".

>>512413176
You don’t get tariffs if your goods are produced in USA. That’s the reason why Japan got a decent deal because Honda and Toyota cars are made in America.
> their companies suddenly loose a lot of business and that means people loosing jobs factories closing
Those jobs would likely go to a country with a strong consumer base that they used to sell until tariffs *wink* *wink*

>>512413332
>As a percentage of income a Thai professional in Bangkok is getting fucked about as hard.

I don't know the rent market in Thailand, but if he were to live in a normal, working-class area, it would probably be that amount.

>>512405902
>flavored water
Are you for real m8?

>>512408375
>too polluting cars
Retard. We are regurgitating 20-year-old cars specifically because your regulations made modern EU cars self-destructing appliances. USDM cars were run off the market by Bruxelles, and only now that we have Ukrainian refugees, who drive American makes or USDM-versions of Asian makes, can we see in stark contrast how the build quality and feature packing of EU cars fell compared to the free, free-trading world. Have you compared the interior on an Audi vs a fucking Toyota? It's embarassing. That is before accounting the clogged emissions filters in the exhaust; trash quality EU anti-pollution devices are a distinct level of embarassment on their own

>>512413712
That neoliberal meta ain’t going back no more. The damage is done. Do you actually think future administrations will just lift tariff revenue that’s generating hundred billions for the federal government because Trump’s gone? If Biden didn’t, no one will. Even economic experts are saying this now.

>>512403746 (OP)
Here's a video of the negotiations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo

>>512413651
>Nigger, overall the cost of goods have only been raised around 2% since tariffs started
Tariffs only started in earnest a month ago so that's pretty fucking bad. Bragging about the tariff revenue is retarded too because the stated goal of those tariffs means eventually that revenue will drop off as imports dry up. Meanwhile manufacturing jobs are down, factory orders are down, and exports and investment were all down last quarter, which seems counterintuitive to the whole "we're bringing manufacturing back" thing.

>>512414250
I'm not looking forward to a US that copies the retarded trade policies of Brazil, personally, and is stuck with them for decades.

>>512403746 (OP)
but you do realise that Swiss export is literally top notch medicines and some other super advanced shit, basically irreplaceable?
Amerimutts about to pay extra Trump tax for their life-saving drugs :)
MIGA!

>>512411364

Lol...Ursula created nice illusions of deal (no one in EU will commit it) and the Trump believed it....now we waiting how long takes than he notice than we fooled him.

>>512405444
>Tax whose entire point is to raise the cost of foreign goods to make american consumers more inclined to buy domestic products instead
>YOU AREN'T THE ONE PAYING IT THOUGH THATS A JEWISH LIE
Holy shit hahaha

>>512403913
then why are they panicking so hard kike?

>>512414489
America has a strong consumer base unlike Brazil, and every country in the world has tariffs or some form of trade barrier. Trump’s gamble worked because most allies except Canada(lmao) cooperated and wants access to the American market despite tariffs and it’s generating money now for the federal govt.

>>512415048
>why would a company not want to lose business once their product become too expensive for burgers to purchase due to companies raising prices
Why does MIGA never have anything but retarded gotcha questions in response to policy criticism?

>>512415340
>why would a company not want to lose business once their product become too expensive for burgers to purchase due to companies raising prices
Exactly, Now you know how Trump weaponizes the Amercan market through tariffs and get everyone in line.

>>512415730
No, now I know how Trump raises taxes on his citizens and then lies to your face that that money is actually from other people

>>512409952
You aren't even trying. You have no idea how it works, you just "trust" israels greatest ally, the child rapist

>>512415833
See>>512415340 You said it yourself.
How are burgers being taxed if no one’s buying some overpriced Swiss cheese? Don’t wanna get bankrupt? Suck Trump’s dick.

>>512403913
>still pretending that volume of product sold doesn't matter to the exporter

>>512416209
>How are burgers being taxed if no one’s buying some overpriced Swiss cheese?
Because Trump isn't taxing just luxury goods?

Regressive taxation is popular with miggers, this is a big win.

Well mutts better get used to wearing timex's lmao

>>512416415
Most non-luxury foreign goods don’t raise prices and eat up tariffs rather than passing it to the cosumer and get outcompeted by cheaper product in the market. If it’s that easy they won’t be negotiating to the White House. You stupid niggers act like Tariff is VAT.

>>512403746 (OP)
Trump literally has the entire world by the pussy
literally
HAHAHAHAA

>>512406227
exporters always need the importers more

>>512407329
Why hasn't he been Abe'd yet?

>>512403746 (OP)
Watchfags BTFO

>>512403913
try using your brain you retard US citizens will buy less swiss products if they are more expensive and swiss take that hit, you get it yet?!

>>512403746 (OP)
But I thought independence and neutrality is the way to go? What happen? Enjoy your sovereignty Switzerland

>>512403746 (OP)
All of Trump's tariffs have exceptions making them pretty much fucking useless. It's just a tax on the poor and middle class that does not extend to the rich.