Thread 512406079

Are houses where the garage takes up most of the front real estate really what people want? I guess it's pragmatic, but I hate the aesthetic of it and how it cuts you off from the rest of the neighbourhood.

Can’t fit the garage anywhere else since they don’t include a back alley in developments. HOA’s don’t want streets full of cars either.

>>512406079 (OP)
Both are shit.

Come home white man.

Thread for retarded goyim leaving in cardboard boxes, gross
Oh the Jew made you pay half a million for it, which means it's worth A LOT? It's still a CARDBOARD BOX

When I bought my house nearly half of the square footage was the garage. I ended up expanding the garage and converting it into livable space but it cost me a fortune.

>>512406079 (OP)
It's not what you want, it's what you get in developer tracts that prioritize cost savings and number of units over everything else. Frankly these people are lucky they don't have shared driveways.

>>512406079 (OP)
Shut the fuck up you retarded poorfag

>>512406079 (OP)
Most people just use their garage as a shed and park their car in the driveway, which is retarded becasue the garage could have been an entire extra room or several rooms in your house, and you could have just built a shed in your backyard.

>>512406079 (OP)
I don't get why liberals always say this. Is it because you don't have a car? I never even think about what the front of my house looks like.

2 car garage on side on 2400 square foot livable house. Separate 1850 square foot workshop in back yard. Acreage. Woodshed. Greenhouse. Livestock. Sucks to be a cityfag.

>>512407644
Yeah, only liberals like living in aesthetically pleasing places

>>512406079 (OP)

MERICA... love it or leave it!
We LOVE our cars!

>>512406079 (OP)
plenty of new builds in Denver have detached garages in the back

this is usually done for zoning, houses and outbuildings can only take up so much land on a property (footprint) based on zoning laws to prevent people from building a mecca cube that takes up every square inch of their property without any utility setbacks or fire access

if only 60% of the lot can be built on, 40% of the first floor footprint will be the garage as it’s typically a space over 400 SF (20x20 for two car)

surprisingly Denver is great with this, most garages are detached and accessible by the rear alley, even with newer builds

fun fact: Denver’s streets are much more narrow than Salt Lake City’s because Utah used Oxen instead of horses for wagon freight, oxen require a massive turn radius

>t. appraiser

>>512406079 (OP)
Very hot in USA.

>>512406079 (OP)
a lot of small towns in the US still have lots of houses like the ones on the left. Peak comfy when you sit on the patio enjoying a coffee

>>512406079 (OP)
It's a shitty look. When I was buying a house last year a lot of new houses had it

>>512408051
Yeah. Liberals are obsessed with aesthetics over functionality. As long as things look good on the surface, it means it is good to them.

>>512406079 (OP)
I would be happy with a carport and a small driveway, I could use the extra garage space for an interracial goonroom

>>512407548
With crime on the rise, we will soon return to the garage as being a safety box for a car. Also its retarded to expose a car to the elements 24/7/365 when your house literally has a special box for it. Most people just use it as a dump.

>>512406079 (OP)
fuck Victorians. Based Raised Ranch mogs your stupid preference.

>>512406079 (OP)
1pbtid
canadian
spam

>>512408590
>, I could use the extra garage space for an interracial goonroom

Please stop larking as an American

>>512406079 (OP)
if you have a car and want covered, secure parking, what is the alternative? parking on the street sucks, especially in places where it snows, and you could just as easily whine about the aesthetic of a street with cars parked all along it. having an alley along the side of the house that leads to a garage also looks bad, and is much less convenient and takes up a lot more area than a front driveway. the other options are:
communal garages, which are inconvenient because you have to walk to them, and they are less secure. (my apartment complex had them and my car was broken into twice, even though it was gated with key-only access.)
have a subterranean garage so that your driveway dips down underneath the house. but that doesnt really hide the garage in most cases: it just makes your house look like its built on a garage, which it is.
or you can have residential blocks be only one house deep instead of two, so you have one side with facades and the other with garages. this uses way more real estate though because now asphalt takes up so much more of your neighborhood.
any other bright ideas?

>>512406079 (OP)
>I want more new homes to look like this, so if everyone could just change their houses so they look more like what I like that would be great.

>>512406079 (OP)
I guess so. The suburbs were created to replace the city homes of Americans who were fleeing black/brown migration into the north. In a city your front door faces out to a community, and you have practical use for it because you can leave the door, walk for a bit and be somewhere worth being in. The original burbs were created with a front door to mimic a city home, but look at all this yard and extra space you'll get! The car, driveway and garage were there, sure, but they pretended it was a side thing, that you were going to go walk to your neighbor's or something.

But in the modern day nobody ever has reason to walk somewhere, they're always driving places, and we're far enough away from the memory of the city that we no longer need to pretend that we ever open our front door to walk out of it. If we're leaving the house we're taking the car and that means going through the garage. If someone's showing up they drove to the house and they're coming up the driveway. So why pretend that the car isn't so central to life when it clearly is?

If you're going to live in a burb, why kid yourself that you're not car dependent? Even the OP image is delusional on that, it's just asking for a simulacrum of a real community. Even if every house LOOKED like the one on the left, it would still FUNCTION like the one on the right, just less effectively.

>>512409125
Suburbs, I have realized, are the most artificial, expensive, soul-sucking places you could live. You have to worst of both worlds, but many think it's the best of both.

The traffic is that of the city but the distances are that of the countryside. The green space is basically fake and unnatural but the infrastructure is unusable for anything but cars. Still have to worry about crime yet too distant from everyone to have a community.

Take a look at Europe. Their cities are a lot more wholesome and invoke happiness. Their country side is largely insulated from the cities.

Suburbs fuck over rural spaces.

>>512406079 (OP)
small windows give me the heebie jeebies

>>512409945
>small windows give me the heebie jeebies

"Tile fucker"??? is that you?

>>512406079 (OP)
I don't want my house to be inviting on the inside. I want it to say "go the fuck away". I went the inside to be nice and comfy. The outside should scare neighborhood children into using the sidewalk on the other side of the street. My family and friends aren't going to care what the front of the house looks like. They care about coming in and hanging out inside, where it's nice.
The only reason for someone I don't know to set foot on my property is to deliver packages. It doesn't need to look nice and inviting for that.

>>512406079 (OP)
And if you want to see more houses like the ones on the left, buy one in a neighborhood full of them. Don't want to see more houses like the ones on the right? Don't buy in a neighborhood full of them.
This is just another case of narcissists expecting everyone else to put their preferences first.

>>512409752
>Suburbs, I have realized, are the most artificial, expensive, soul-sucking places you could live.
Some of the best childhoods ever experienced on planet earth have been in American suburbs.
You just have to make sure it's the right kind. Low-density, bigger yards, incrementally developed with lots of undeveloped / green areas nearby, etc.
Don't cherry-pick mass development hell-holes to make a false case.
pic rel would be fine, assuming there are some woods nearby.

I did a real estate valuation course some time back. After obvious correlations like total square feet or number of bathrooms, size of garage was the next most important factor for home price.

>>512409752
>Suburbs fuck over rural spaces.
No, you're just scared to go anywhere actually rural. There's plenty of rural areas but they're invisible to you because you're a lazy fuck who wants everything handed to him.

>>512410455
He probably had no friends as a child and blames the suburbs for that instead realizing it was simply due to being an annoying dickhead. See that a lot with over socialized leftists who were unpopular kids.

>>512410695
And there'd be more such rural area without sprawl, which is made up of suburbs and strip malls.

>>512406079 (OP)
i like this house

>>512410455
>Don't cherry-pick mass development hell-holes to make a false case.
There's nothing cherry-picked about that. The kind of old growth suburbia you're describing is the minority by a wide margin and commands very high prices. Most of the suburbia available, especially for a reasonable price, is new development and has the qualities the poster described.

>>512410695
>No, you're just scared to go anywhere actually rural.

I have been to Dolly Sods, WV and into an extremely small mountain town in Latin America. Come on, show images of Tucson, Arizona and the endless suburban sprawl in a parched desert with unique landscapes.

>>512410861
This. I have never been to the Southwest but just looking at the disgusting behemoths that Las Vegas and Phoenix are like a punch in the gut. The Colorado River has such little fucking water. In other regions of the SW, like in Colorado, you aren't even allowed to collect rainwater because it's so fucking dry and the wells are so fucking barren because of all of the artificial development (Las Vegas is bigger than my city with much bigger houses, and it receives 4 times less precipitation a year than my city does)

>>512406079 (OP)
Lots are getting smaller and people still want a garage. Housing plans are expensive, and developers where I live typically have no more than four to choose from. From what I've seen, they all have the built-in garage.

>>512410455
Also, I do live in an area like this. It was built right after the war. American suburbs are hell though because doing anything without a driver's license is hard as fuck unless depending on parents. There tends to be assholes who sit on land for 30 years and never do anything with it that still put up "No trespassing" signs everywhere. Everywhere is parking lots for businesses that need at most 8 parking spaces but still end up with 40. The forests are quite artificial and people hate the little bit of wildlife that do live in the forest.

>>512410455
Suburbs were awesome until Obama the traitor moved the niggers out of the projects into the suburbs and handed every dipshit looser a subprime loan for a 1 million dollar house on minimum wage income.

>>512406079 (OP)
They don't have to be for cars. If you can afford a house, you can afford to renovate it.

>>512406079 (OP)
Big garages are based. Only a troon latte Tesla faggot would disagree.

>>512411904
>because doing anything without a driver's license is hard as fuck unless depending on parents.
If you're under sixteen you're hanging out in the woods or walking to the nearest convenience store or whatever to hang out.
If you're over sixteen and you don't get a driver's license, that's on you.
>There tends to be assholes who sit on land for 30 years and never do anything with it that still put up "No trespassing" signs everywhere.
No one obeys no trespassing signs on wooded land in the suburbs.
>Everywhere is parking lots for businesses that need at most 8 parking spaces but still end up with 40.
First you can't get anywhere without a car and now you're surrounded by businesses. Which is it?
>The forests are quite artificial and people hate the little bit of wildlife that do live in the forest.
You're making excuses to not like the suburbs. Whatever, move the le big city and live your best life.

>>512412094
>if you can afford one house, you can afford two houses

>>512406079 (OP)
That's what happens when the average american automobile is the size of a sherman tank.

>>512412275
>Whatever, move the le big city and live your best life.

American cities are just even more pavement but basically the same density. America really doesn't have "cities" anymore in the usual context.

>First you can't get anywhere without a car and now you're surrounded by businesses. Which is it?

Those aren't mutually exclusive.

>>512412602
To be fair, the common problem is that kids rot in their rooms on social media all day. Until the Internet you had a choice between three TV channels meeting up with other kids in the neighborhood and finding something to do.

>>512412275
>If you're under sixteen you're hanging out in the woods or walking to the nearest convenience store or whatever to hang out.
I think most kids these days just end up playing video games or doomscrolling.

>>512407318
Thats retarded
Hurt your property value too

>>512412602
I can't write for shit anymore
To be fair, the common problem is social media and video games. Kids rot in their rooms on the internet all day.
Prior to the Internet you had a choice: three TV channels, or meet up with other kids in the neighborhood and find something to do.

>>512412997
agreed
>>512413077
Which sort of raises the question: what does it matter how good or bad the suburbs are, if you never leave your room?

>>512413077
>Kids rot in their rooms on the internet all day.

Do you really blame them? You do know that you can't be a kid anymore really. You aren't allowed to do anything, everyone is hostile, the world is hostile.

I'm 19 and I am stuck in my room all day. But that is why I realized that suburbs are shit. In other countries, people my age can just take a bus to go to a mall that actually has people and not just empty stores with boomers using it as a track for exercise.

Here, I need a fucking car ans car insurance or else need to be driven everywhere like I currently have to. Car insurance for me would be $500 / month. It isn't worth it with what I make working.

>>512409125
Very fair post, I am quite impressed. Thank you for the insight anon.

>>512406079 (OP)
My garage is a badass workout zone

>>512406079 (OP)
Most municipalities in the US require a certain amount of off street parking on new build housing.
It's literally illegal to build homes like those on the left now.

>>512407644
You can have the garage separate from your home

>>512406079 (OP)
>no garage
>no yard to put a shed

how to tell me you have zero hobbies without telling me you have zero hobbies.
>no where to put tools
>no where to work on anything
>no where to put sporting equipment
do Canadians seriously buy extra room houses for fucking storage? jesus christ how fucking retarded.

>retail on ground floor, residential above limited at 5 stories
you may not like it but this is peak human habitation

>>512413039
Considering I built another garage I would say I didn’t.

>>512414149
America's little towns would be actually good and easy to live in if we had mixed zoning, actually good public transportation, and walkable areas. This would allow people to actually move into little towns and people could form businesses there and have an economy beyond 2 Dollar Generals and a CNC shop.

Plus, if everyone stops using cars mostly, this would shoot gas prices and oil prices down. This in return, if we are to assume the market would respond, would make good transportation cheaper and therefore lower our cost of living along with the obvious lack of using a car.

>>512406079 (OP)
Yeah it’s efficient, you spend 30k for a shitty car and want it to be kind of taken care of.

>>512413609
>Do you really blame them?
Def. not, early generations would have succumbed to the Internet in the same way.
>You aren't allowed to do anything, everyone is hostile, the world is hostile.
The world is, above all, antiwhite and anti-male. This is life during wartime.
>a mall that actually has people and not just empty stores with boomers using it as a track for exercise
Also the Internet - Amazon etc.
>Here, I need a fucking car ans car insurance
No Internet -> forced to congregate with others -> someone in the group has a car
Similar dynamics:
No Internet -> forced to congregate with others -> leaders rise, create projects -> everyone takes part
>start a band
>work out
>gearheads
>D&D
>make a movie
>drugs and acohol
>parties -> hook up with girls
>break into abandoned houses
Now that I think about it, the Internet separating leaders from followers is its own special category of problem...

>>512406079 (OP)
right is oddly comfy desu. reminds me of a house i played in the sims 2

>>512406079 (OP)
The houses on the left are illegal to build now
Thank your local Dept of Planning & Zoning and the HOAs that they service
Stupid is as stupid does
Pic extremely related
>>512407530
>Shut the fuck up you retarded poorfag
Virginity = Intact

>>512411029
the new build slop-tract houses are more expensive than most houses in old neighborhoods you have no clue wtf you're talking about

>>512415284
>the new build slop-tract houses are more expensive than most houses in old neighborhoods you have no clue wtf you're talking about
I've been looking at properties for about a year for a possible move and this is what I've seen.

>>512406079 (OP)
>not having a vertical parking spot.

Ngmi

>>512408161
I want to leave it. I hate classic rock, Walmart, veterans, and cowboys.

>>512410695
Hate to break it to you, but none of those places are ZERO population. Just sparsely populated.

Common nigger some of those are just shaded over farms

>>512409752
The only good part about suburbs are cute young white girls.

>>512415665

There was a time when Americans were proud of themselves and their accomplishments, they were the good guys...
then came liberal progressive feminism and they were taught Americans are the bad guys

>>512415772
>cute young white girls.

Not where I live... Everyone's a fatty.

>>512415853
>Americans
You mean whites, but yes.

I want a 2 car garage when I finally buy.

>>512406079 (OP)
They've gone back to building shitty row houses because illegal aliens like wops then and spics now don't care, because they know niggers will eventually move in and destroy it all. Then come the bulldozers rinse and repeat style for whatever mystery meat they import next century.

>>512415284
Not in my experience. Real estate is location location location.
>But the sign says starting in the 400s! That's a lot!
And for an old train suburb you're paying double that.

>>512413950
I don't want it separate from my home. I want to be able to walk through a door in my garage directly into my house without having to deal with the outside elements.

>>512416238
maybe where you're at. i just looked again on zillow and here it's the opposite. new builds of comparible size are double older homes in price

>>512406079 (OP)
Apparently people do want it. I will never own a house with an attached garage, except perhaps by a breezeway.

>>512416369
Oh my God what a soft little boy you are

>>512407644
>I never even think about the beauty (or lack thereof) of my home.

Wow. Not something you should admit, even on 4chan.

>>512406079 (OP)
>3000 sq ft
>3 car garage
>upstairs loft
>gated community

simple as
also fuck niggers

could you

could you dig a hole in the ground such that you can drive your car down a little hill into the hole and then part of the house is built over the hole (where the garage would be)

>>512416552
Where's the older home? In a suburb like was described way back here
>>512410455
which is what we're talking about or an old home just anywhere?

>>512406079 (OP)

1) Studie building house
2) Learn to build house
3) Build the house

That is what it was past times when there was no construction companies.

>>512416808
I've seen it on some apartment buildings in my area, not common on houses. I'd imagine there's practical issues with having your car at the bottom of a ramp.

>>512416986
Theoretically, young couples could just buy an RV or trailer or shed and insulate it and turn it into a home, but zoning laws and tax shit make it impossible to do that.

>>512416825
all in the same suburban town yeah

>>512406670
>paying for a million dollar house only to have no space between you and your neighbor and you have a small back yard too
grim

>>512416808
You mean like this? We got like 20 million houses here like this with the garage off the comfy finished basement.

>>512408278
Based knowledge giver. What are the prices of land in Pueblo? I want to bleach it and make it a safe haven for WN Poltards Cheers anon

>>512406079 (OP)
in the age of hot bedding and the gig economy, you can fit a dozen+ indians in a garage and make a killing.

>>512410455
>Some of the best childhoods ever experienced on planet earth have been in American suburbs.
What?
>pic related
I would rather be buried alive
Urban planning is public policy for retards
Municipal zoning in the US is literally grown men and women with graduate degrees with a box of crayons drawing on maps
>HERESA MWHERE THEA BZINESSESESS GO AND HESERES WEHEERE THE HOUSESG GO DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>512417308
why is the door a foot of the ground?

>>512417308
Tri-levels are great lives, ugly, but comfy

>>512417586
The ground doesn't have feet, bruh. How much acid are you on right now?

>>512417539
You ever been to Houston?

>>512417586
Maybe the garage is a foot inside YOUR MIND
>>512417706
https://youtu.be/eOXQ2kRJ0wQ?si=sbJYo3fOl8r57pC3

>>512416808
I don't know if I'd like it.

>>512418103
this is exactly what I was thinking of

>>512418403
Now imagine that driveway covered in ice following a winter storm, and trying to back out.

Attached garages can be nice for car and house storage only, but any dedicated workshop needs a little more room than a standard attached garage if it's going to be doing double duty.

>>512418103
>>512418403
what about when it rains?

>>512416687
Lick my pp
>>512416799
Ideally my home would be completely underground like a bunker. There shouldn't even be an outside aesthetic to consider, just natural landscape.

>>512406079 (OP)
The homes on the left have unattached garages that open to shared alleyways. No I don't want that.

>>512406079 (OP)
In the netherlands a big living room or even two and a small garage was the common design (back in boomer times ofcourse )

>>512416687
Ah yes, getting rained on between your car and the house endlessly for no reason is the mark of a tough man. Also very smart.

>>512417539
Not this dense-packed shit. Low density.

>>512417797
Shut the fuck up you boomer retard
>HOUSTONS A IS A KAYOSS
This is a Facebook comment, what are you doing on 4chan? Don't you have mixed grandchildren to babysit?

https://www.groundcovernews.org/read-online-1/houston-has-success-with-housing-first-strategy

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-houston-successfully-reduced-homelessness/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/headway/houston-homeless-people.html

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/howardcenter/caring-for-covid-homeless/stories/homeless-funding-housing-first.html

https://reason.org/commentary/houstons-housing-success-a-model-for-cities/

>A comparison with other metros across the country reveals a similar pattern (see Figure 5). Despite having the second largest population among these incredibly fast-growing metros, Houston has maintained among the lowest home price appreciation.

>It is vital that markets are given the flexibility to adjust to mitigate price pressure. One way to facilitate rapid responses by developers is to eliminate sweeping barriers to development, like citywide zoning, and issue housing permits at a rate that keeps up with demand.

>>512419642
I'm looking for a place with an attached garage and a detached garage or shop with 10' minimum ceilings.

>>512406915
Psst. Call them Gringolem or Gringoyim, it makes them seethe so much. Lmao. My dear Luigi

>>512408161
If that's an aftermarket air conditioner someone needs to fired. Fit that shit under somewhere.

>>512419881
Doubles as a pisser at parties if it's not your house

>>512406079 (OP)
Having the garage on the side or rear of the house is objectively better and nicer looking. I don't know why it's more common to put it in the front.

>let me tell you why cars need to go away and garages should be occupied by fifty pajeets
learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to OPs like this. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same globohomo agenda that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them