Thread 512410582

specially you taiwan, FUCK YOU, and gaymers too

That’s very funny Katniss. Sugar cube?

>>512410582 (OP)
How is assmongloid going to spin this one, I wonder

>>512410582 (OP)
If you didn't get an RTX card by now this isn't going to affect you much anyways cause you're obviously a broke ass anyways.
And we do need to force US innovation and development. We cannot keep outsourcing critical tech infrastructure to places where people get paid in rice.
Yeah...it'll suck if you're in the market for cards...but you know who its really gonna make look for options? The billion dollar companies buying up all the GPU's for AI dev...thats who.
And those people know how to start making semiconductors in America
>muh America can't make semiconductors
Why? Explain WHY.
>muh Americans won't work for rice
And?

>>512410582 (OP)
Huangbros, it's over!

My next rig will be *nix optimized anyway and that means fuck Nvidia anyway lol

honestly a hardware squeeze would probably be good for the vidya industry now, too many games with unnecessarily detailed graphics and garbage performance
RT shouldn't even exist, it's never worth the performance hit

>>512411065
how much will this shitcoin will drop tomorrow???
i give it 5% at least, ai bubble will still maintain them high but theres no chance it will have no concequences in their real operations

>>512410582 (OP)
>Exported into
Shouldn't it be "imported into"?

>>512410582 (OP)
taiwan needs to join china for protection against the US

>>512411423
It will.

>>512410582 (OP)
That guy loves Israel and rapes children

>>512411065
trump already gave him a pass

Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd time he's done this and then removed them later?

>make chips in america
>now they're much more expensive
>same as if they were made in taiwan + tariffs
4d chess

>>512411607
raping the entire semiconductor industry of taiwan is waaay worse (like, 99999999 worse) than some trailer trash whores

>>512411363
Drops 10% as retail flees. All of Trump's favorite jews buy in. Trump drops the tariff. Jumps back up.

>>512410582 (OP)
oh no i cannot even begin to fathom the consequence of bolstering american production and removing critical technology from literal chinks

>>512410970
>"anyways" x2
>broke ass
Spotted the nigger.

>>512411311

Devs fucking suck at optimization now. People with 5080s, 4090s, even 5090s reporting performance issues in new titles. Those are literally high end flagship cards, you would reasonably expect them to shred any new game at max settings. I watch streamers with 4090s having to turn on DLSS balanced and I’m like WTF is this.

>>512411781
its too much, too sudden and shows that taiwan is retarded if they don't join china on their own

>>512411893
im a full throttle kind of guy

>>512410582 (OP)
GOD BLESS THE RIGGED MARKETS

>>512410582 (OP)
>Trump fucks over the one part of the economy doing well
Welp, time to start shorting AI stocks.

>>512411657
>make chips in china
>waow so cheap!!1!11one!1!1!
>say mean thing to china
>oops no more chips
totally worth

>>512411657
This is why no one will actually move production to the US.
Even with Tariffs, it'll still be much cheaper to produce in Taiwan.

Trump knows this, of course.
This isn't to help American manufacturing.
It's to raise taxes so he can send more gibs to Israel.

>>512412218
I thought to give the rich tax cuts?

>>512410853
who

>>512411363
It's up 0.54% after-hours right now. If you think it's going to drop, you've got 48 min to put your money where your mouth is.

>>512410582 (OP)
TSM built an 80 billion dollar factory in the Sonoran desert and announced another 100 billion allocation by 2030. So Taiwan is basically here

>>512412271
All of his retarded spending priorities.
Taxes for the rich, stupid vanity projects for himself, and infinite money for the most amoral nation in all of human history.

>>512412376
*tax cuts for the rich, lol.

>>512411781

> literal chinks

Rude

>>512410582 (OP)
I know basically a "hey good luck with the invasion lol"

>>512410655
I'm 100% straight but I'd let him cum in my ass.

>>512411657
>make chips in america
>now they're much more expensive
source?

>>512410582 (OP)
didn't the u.s. set up chip makin etc in taiwan in the frist place to fuck up china

>>512410582 (OP)
HEY, LOLBERT, TELLING FACTORIES WHAT TO DO THROUGH COMMIE POLICIES IS ANTI-FREE MARKET. YOU SHOULD VOTE PERONISTS NEXT TIME INSTEAD OF MILEI

>>512410582 (OP)
it doesnt affect them at all, in fact his wording is very specifically a fuck you to every other fab except TSMC. since they have their arizona plant it doesn't affect them!
go check the after hours market if you don't believe me

>>512412375
Yep. And Trump specifically said
>"If you're building in the United States of America, there's no charge," he said. "Even though you're building and you're not producing yet in terms of the big numbers of jobs and all of the things that you're building, if you're building, there will be no charge."

>>512412470
>VOTE PERONISTS
i will never do that in my entire existance

>>512410582 (OP)
Im sick of this pedo, I just bought headlights and they were up over 50% since the last time...
He should be put in jail for sedition, the president isnt supposed to unilaterally issue taxes, that is the legislatives role.

>>512410582 (OP)
Don't tariff AMD Trump, only Nvidia. Only tariff Nvidia for disrespecting you and your mandate from Heaven.

>>512411699
Nah, raping and murdering children is worse but good to know where you stand.

>>512412590
This fat cheeto fuck is singlehandedly tanking the US economy.
He's passing yuge tax increases via executive order.

Literally how is this legal?

>>512412590
>since the last time
When's the last time?

This just in: Taiwan said only Taiwanese have strong enough backs for semiconductor manufacturing.

Holy shit.

>>512412590
>>512412700
go back

>>512410582 (OP)
AIfags on suicide watch

>>512412725
Didn't answer the question:
How is it legal for a president to unilaterally pass giga tax increases?

>>512412700
It wasnt a problem when Bill Clinton moved American production and the old and forgotten MADE IN USA. It's only a problem when someone os trying to revert it with temporary measures until the deed is done.

>>512412895
It is legal in the same way it was legal to kill American production in the 90's. Why didnt you complained then?

>>512412582
>>512412582
WHY ARE YOU CHEERING FOR ANTI-FREE MARKET POLICIES LIKE IN YOUR OP THEN? ARE YOU STUPID OR SCHIZOID?

>>512412456
American wages are much higher, and half of its population is functionally illiterate.

>>512412218
>Trump knows this, of course.
Not fact. He is senile boomer.

>>512410582 (OP)
Are any of these tariffs even going to matter once Tr ump is out of office?

>>512412456
>source?
THE AMERICAN LIVING COST. WHERE A TINY CARDBOARD HOUSE COSTS $600K

>>512413102
When Bill Clinton moved American production to Asia was that the free market too faggot?

>>512413106
It's not about salaries. These factories pay well in Taiwan, most likely even more than in the US. The problems are logistics, resources and simply personnel. It will be much more difficult to gather all this in one place in the US, and with bad personnel the problem will not be in salaries, even if they are twice as much, but simply in a large number of defective products.

>>512413020
NAFTA was voted on by congress.
It wasn't just one dickhead deciding to fuck up the economy...
It was a bunch of them.

This won't bring a single job to the US.
100% tariff won't make the US labor market competitive with Taiwan.

It's just a cash grab for Israel, you retarded hick.

>>512413262
TAKE IT WITH THE LOBBYISTS WHO WANTED TO MANUFACTURE FOR CHEAPER

>>512413262
Just stop, you fucking retard.
You know fuck-all.
The microchip industry started moving to Asia in the 70s and 80s.

>>512413293
It already started
https://www.techpowerup.com/332884/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-cards-spotted-with-missing-rops-nvidia-confirms-the-issue-multiple-vendors-affected

>>512413293
It is all about salaries. TSMC factory workers earn $2000 USD a month.

>>512411769
it is written

>>512413377
>>512413410
>>512413417
so was it the free market you incredible faggot? is congress the free market you stupid son of a bitch? neck yourself

>>512413515
Not just that.
The construction workers who build the fabs probably earn a fraction of that.
Every part of the ecosystem is an order of magnitude cheaper.

Also fabs are toxic as fuck.
Half of Silicon Valley is a superfund site to this day.

>>512413599
>retard gets called out for not knowing things
>starts flinging feces and terms he doesn't understand
let me try to put this in your language:
EEEK EEK OOK OOK EE EE EEEEK

>>512413599
WHATEVER, COMMIE. A PRIVATE FACTORY SHOULD BE FREE TO MANUFACTURE WHEREVER IT PLEASE

>>512413293
>It's not about salaries. These factories pay well in Taiwan, most likely even more than in the US
I doubt it, no country pays better than the US, that's why so many professionals go there despite being violent and shit to live compared to other first world countries.

Second part you're right, Tim Cook said it himself. They moved the factories because it was cheap, but also because the workers were better than the average american.

>>512413377
you could just say you support offshoring and outsourcing american jobs

>>512413725
>misrepresents everything
>claims himself the winner
you are a nigger
>>512413759
American corporations are going to manufacture in America and give jobs to Americans or in behalf of the American people the American government are going to broke up any American corporation that doesn't want to play by the rules.

>>512412354
You know, the walrus-looking popular YouTuber guy who talks about relevant news and political shit. Pretending you haven't a clue doesn't mean you come across as edgy and detached

>>512414062
There will not be a single job created from this.
Only jobs destroyed.
Will you just say that you're an uneducated hick and you want to see the one productive part of the economy implode?

>>512410853
Better than Fagsan

>>512410970
The only people who want top end GPUs are consoomer retards trying to brute force the latest UE5 slop. See:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1154030/Titan_Quest_II/

It's a fucking Diablo 2 clone and yet the recommended GPU is a 4070?

>>512412218
It's a question of scaling. If enough production moves to the US it could stand to be much cheaper than if done in Taiwan.

>>512414182
>t. supports offshoring and outsourcing american jobs
vote harder yuppie

>>512410582 (OP)
Trump WON
Chinks LOST

>>512414182
so American fabs being created on American soil right now does not create jobs? AI drones are creating these fabs?

>>512413293
>These factories pay well in Taiwan
they pay well for Taiwan standards, not for American standards

>>512414370
>If enough production moves to the US
Is zero enough?
It won't fucking happen.
Again, even with 100% tariffs it'll still be cheaper (a lot cheaper) to manufacture in Taiwan.

>>512414481
even if most of the tech jobs would be automated, it still creates jobs in maintenance, administration, management, etc.

>>512411657
They will be more expensive then the ones in Taiwan and tariffs

>>512414401
>Cletus still butthurt that Mexican meth labs put his trailer lab out of business

>>512414177
>the nigger cattle is unable to comprehend someone not knowing all the flavors of goyslop

>>512410853
He will clap, collapse back in his seat and say:
>well played, omg what a fucking good idea!
While his chat disagrees and he pulls a smug shit eating face.

>>512414542
I'm not sure if you understand the point Trump is trying to make. He's going to raise tariffs to the point where it IS cheaper to move production to the US, at which point US made chips will get cheaper and cheaper as production scales up.

>>512410582 (OP)

The 100% tariff is a good idea, we absolutely need domestic chip production. We should be the world leader, there's no way win without exclusive access to the best chips.

>>512414593
>is mad his ideas are terrible
>attacks others for it
this is why no one likes you freaks

>>512414542
Why not? Why it won't happen? I truly want to hear this but I know you won't answer because you are just an galactic faggot.

>>512414628
I understand very well that this is his public explanation of his retarded decrees, but the math doesn't work out.
Either Trump is retarded and never bothered to check the numbers, or he is cynically doing this to raise taxes on the one part of the US economy that doesn't utterly suck right now so he can give more money to Israel and rich fucks.

>>512414741
see
>>512414777

>>512412631
>raping and murdering children is worse
Then why do you keep doing it?

>>512410582 (OP)
thats okay, i wanted to pay 900 dollars for a 5050.

>>512414628
>US made chips will get cheaper and cheaper as production scales up.
They won't because the baseline cost involving salaries, materials and infrastructure will still be higher and without competition the companies will be able to just raise their prices to just bellow the imported chips
And on top of that you have the lack of competition decreasing incentives to improve the quality of the product

>>512414688
Imagine being this brainrotted and gullible.
What chips are in the F-22, retard?

>>512410582 (OP)
what a disaster. anyways when is he releasing the epstein files?

>>512414688
>The 100% tariff is a good idea
>100%
>tariff
>good idea

>>512414069
>American corporations are going to manufacture in America and give jobs to Americans or in behalf of the American people the American government are going to broke up any American corporation that doesn't want to play by the rules.
>FORCE FATORIES TO MANUFACTURE IN USA
>LABOR COST IS THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD BC RENT IS $2K AND A DOCEN OF EGG IS $7
>FACTORY CAN'T COMPETE WITH CHINESE FACTORY
>FACTORY IN AMERICA GOES BANKRUPT
>OR FACTORY IN AMERICA MOVES TO CHINA AND STOPS PAYING TAXES TO AMERICA

GOOD JOB RETARD

>>512412375
>So Taiwan is basically here
They have one part up and running but the rest will be years away.
https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/inside-tsmc-how-the-uss-most-advanced-semiconductor-chips-are-made-in-arizona
>company aims to have Fab Two operational by 2028 and Fab Three by the end of the decade

Sooooo just 100 percent higher prices on chips for another 5+ years or longer being plan too isn't the same as built and running. See this shit is why you don't just chuck tariffs everywhere like a retard. Maybe you threaten a slow increase over X years so shit gets built.
Ya don't hit everyone in the USA with a 100 percent regressive tax hit on every chip before the factories are even done. Hey but we need to pay up as average people so the wealthy get that tax cut!
Yaaaaaa for regressive taxation in the form of tariffs! Give my part to Israel please!

>>512414481
The only people who will show up to work in those fucking "jobs" will be the same low IG niggers and white trash and jeets who can barely do the jobs theyre doing now. The shit that will come out of american factories will be so fucked up and half assed that it will barely be on par with the garbage china USED to make like 15ish years ago, except itll be 5 times as expensive because it will have a "made in USA" sticker on it. Even with these tariffs, chinese made shit will STILL be cheaper in the end. The american chip will be $100 (plus tax, plus sales tax, plus delivery fee, plus antisemitism tax plus tip) and the chink chip will be $95 (as opposed to the $50 it used to be). These are just example fake numbers im pulling out of my ass, but you get what im saying.

Top computer for gaming £500 - £900 i checked yesterday by coincidence.
Get one. No doubt Trumpy will make them better and cheaper because he’s so brilliant and orange. He always wins and pedo’s always loose.

>>512414777
The maths DOES work out. You see, what happens is he raises tariffs until it's cheaper to move production to the US, at which point production moves to the US and begins scaling up, then US-made chips which started expensive get cheaper and cheaper.

Hell it's not even about maths, it's just common fucking sense. Go back to Discord and groom 14 year olds.

>>512414860
If the company is in the process of moving they won't be hit by tariffs, Trump has said this before. That's why the companies are moving quickly with these pledges.
Will they follow through? No idea.

>>512410582 (OP)
Wew, glad I just bought my new PC. $7000 GPUs is not good.

>>512414856
>does absolutely nothing
>wins
i'm start to get more and more afraid of this meme

>>512414856
This is not why chip fab failed in the US. It's because of affirmative action. You can't make shit when shaniqua is in charge of the clean room.

>>512414856
>OR FACTORY IN AMERICA START GETTING GIBS FROM GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO FAIL, IN EFFECT BECOMING JUST ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY POSING AS A PRIVATE BUSINESS
You forgot this option

Have a new in box RX580, it will play all the stuff I want for 100 bucks. I've been buying gfx cards since the original voodoo1. Never go full retard on gfx cards kids.

>>512414910
You can build a worthwhile PC for £100 because zero new games are worth playing and tons of old games can be pirated easily.

>>512414862
>china
Is backwards as all fuck. It’s so backwards it has to spend fortunes (from the aid money we give china) lying on the internet as government policy about how not backwards china is. Pretending childrens RC toys from the early 1990’s are futuristic robots. Chinks are the lowest garbage ever.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sj83lRGOtQ

>>512414943
You need people WILLING to work in those factories. The only ones who will be willing to work for the shit wages theyll offer will be the lowest of the low, meaning the shit they produce will be fucking garbage. You can build all the infrastructure you want to, if theres no one willing to man it (either because theyre completely demoralized or because they want to be paid MORE than what the owners are willing to pay) then it just becomes a drain on funds.

>>512412590
HRT pills cost too much nowadays, tranny?

>>512412464
No. We set up in Taiwan because everybody was complaining about Vietnam (communists)

>>512414795
Ok so the math doesn't math according to you. Ok sure but can you at least make an effort to explain your PhD thesis on GPU manufacturing impossibly on American soil even if it's at the most basic level so retards like me from a garbage island can see the point? Because so far you are nothing but a biblical faggot.

>>512413293
It'd probably end up cheaper since we can just reopen all the old quartz mines.

>>512410582 (OP)

I think I will get cheap computer and display card at next year. Thanks muricans. Please moar this.

>>512415066
>You forgot this option
>LET'S JUST PRINT ANOTHER 66666660000000000654684 TRILLIONS AND GO FULL ARGIE MODE

Fantastic option anon.

>>512415109
>chinas failing, see this youtube grifter saying so for the 8000th time this last two weeks

Even if they are failing, so are we, and were doing it at a MUCH more exponential rate.

>>512414943
>Hell it's not even about maths, it's just common fucking sense
This is what people say who are bad at math.
You do not understand how much more expensive it is to manufacture anything in the US.

>>512410582 (OP)
Fucking hell Don, really? Can't even write in some kind of waiver for small business making less than $100K a year net?

Whelp probably going to have to shift my business model from manufacturing consumer electronics to repairing them.

>>512415169
if trump is going through this, the proceeding market confusion and distress will 100% affect everyone else

>>512415240
Just shift it out of the US. Fuck this sinking ship.

>>512414856
Yeah you fucking retard TSMC are charging human body parts to manufacture chips and you think prices are high now? Wait until TSMC unveils their new lithography faggot. You have no fucking idea. Unironically kill yourself.

>>512415282
As long as Canadians are suffering it is probably a good thing.

>>512415206
I never said it was a good thing or a smart option, just that is one of the things the government might do to save face and keep the 'national champion' up

>>512414240
>killing Jews is le bad
I hate hassan, but you need to kill yourself. Get off our "terrorist" board lul, stupid kike.

>>512414943
>which point production moves to the US and begins scaling up
I don't think you understand the time it takes to get a factory running or the cost. Tsmc wants to be here to help protect it's interests in Taiwan from China. Others will just stall being they don't have billions to invest.
The entire time USA citizens just keep paying more and more due to tariffs. All to help Israel keep free health care and tax cuts for wealthy. Maybe this will help some rich people buy a 3rd home they can turn into an Airbnb! I'm doing my part!

>>512414325
Most of that is on Nvidia. They force game devs to work within their environment, using their tools, and then they tell them to let the hardware do the work. So things like ray tracing that used to be baked into the game itself are instead done by the GPU during rendering. The result in unoptimized trash that runs like shit, forcing consumers to buy even more powerful GPUs just to get adequate frame rates, then the devs would optimize later with game updates. This is part of the reason AMD had such a hard time with drivers years ago, because Nvidia was essentially sabotaging them at the software level. AMD had to do all the optimization themselves, while Nvidia basically got free labor from game devs. The moment AMD got AMD exclusive titles, that problem went away. AMD did really well, while Nvidia started having driver issues.

As for the engines themselves, they offer very little. It's just another form of planned obsolescence. They don't really do anything special, but require more powerful hardware.

>>512415349
for what? to be humiliated in the next 10 years or less? that it's not an option for them too.

>>512415464
fellow macaco
I'm not saying that it is a good option, just that is a thing that some retarded politician might do even with every one with a brain knowing how retarded it is
If you look at the post my orininal post was replying to and going on the same line you will notice that it's all about how this plan is retarded

>>512410582 (OP)
chupame la pija colorado

>>512415305
Fuck you nigger. I am mayflower stock. My ancestor was the first man arrested for drunk and disorderly in the Plymouth colony. The specific piece of land I live on has been passed down my family for four generations. The house I live in was built by my great grandfather. I am not ceding a fucking inch. If times get tough I will just have to toughen up, because by God my son will inherit this land. If I can't enjoy my comfy life listening to music while I sit at my work bench then I will just get a job at the lumber yard. If I can't do that I will work at the fish factory. It doesn't matter what I have to do, I will survive and I will retain my birth right and pass it on to the next generation.

You may be some rootless Johnny come lately who moved here to exploit the prosperity my ancestors and the ancestors of actual Americans built, but the blood we shed ties us to this land. This isn't a just a place we live, it's our home, our culture, and our history.

Stupid fucking brown ass nigger.

>>512414069

Corporations always check what is most benefits for them....I doubt than they start building factories just because one politician which will be out from power sooner or later demands it.

It's gonna hurt at first but everyone will concede that Trump was right a few years from now.

#TrumpIsAlwaysRight

>>512415652
this is it monkey bro. "winner" strategy sucks dick.
turns out that it's more cash for us as we have the entire world to feed as they go pew pew pow pow in proxy wars until they nuke themselves to dusk.

can't wait for: LatAm wins - true ending - in humanity saga

>>512414850

> 100%

You do understand that there's a caveat, the corporations that actively invest in US manufacturing are except, right?

He's not going to immediately double the price of every chip on the market, only for companies that don't MFG in the USA.


>>512414830

Don't tell me about military electronics. FAGGOT. I was a reactor controls (nuclear electronics in the US Navy), and I'm a software engineer now. Everything the military uses is old as fuck.

Doesn't really matter for gamers since they plan on banning pretty much all video games soon anyways.

Good Job Magatards

This doesn't affect me at all.

>>512412470
the only real peronist (right-wing) are Biondini family, but they are mocked 24/7 by media, becouse jewish propaganda controls everything here.

>>512414741
because this country is fucking doomed, like the rest of the west. It's not just overbloated governments, greed and corruption sinking us, it's the manifestation of a dying nation. It's something we never experienced before : a dying, nihilistic gerontocracy where boomers sell their children's future to get a nice retirement.
End result is before 2030 each active worker will have to provide for 2 inactive adults. Our elders will be in the hands of minorities to be taken care of during their last years. In unbelievably high figures.
How do you think that will pan out in 2035? When shitskins will figure out 60% of their salary is vanishing in taxes to pay for retirements & senior healthcare of old whites? When age-fighting whites will be a tiny minority in their own country because boomers were the largest population?

Do you really believe Bloumpf is able to create a new industrial golden age in a muttified country of retired old farts and barren sphinxters? All is left in the US is consooming and finishing to destroy the remnants of infrastructure left with jewish financial vultures.

>>512416016
>Everything the military uses is old as fuck.
Can confirm. It's all old as fuck nuclear hardened shit. Like breadboards with actual wires hand wire wrapped around the pins. The system I worked with was literally tens of thousands of those boards in giant racks all to replace what a single modern laptop could probably accomplish lmao.

>>512416118
AND CUNEO
T. ARGIE

>>512410970
>paid in rice
Better than paid in paper that's actually just a number on a spreadsheet.
Rice is worth something.

>>512416016
>You do understand
The only thing that i understand is that attacking the whole world at the same time is begging for humanity to do what it always do when it's corned like that especially when everybody already FUCKING HATE the common enemy - agressor.

That is, cooperate and find a solution for the agressor.

NOOO FUXK I WANTED TO UPGRADE MY PC THIS FALL

>>512415768
No you dont understand. Nvidia is a monopoly so the US is forced to break it so Jensen Huang either plays ball or the US government will break his company. Jensen Huang thinks he is above POTUS and can do whatever the fuck he wants and ignore POTUS and nothing will happen to him? He ignored both Democrats (Biden) and now Republicans (Trump) orders not to sell to China it's not just Trump. These orders are not in a vacuum.

>>512416434
dw fren, Bloumpf will TACO by next week anyway.

>skywater semiconductors, the only semiconductor corpo that produces entirely in america, spends months eating shit
>NOW it pumps in after hours, before I can buy
Hate this little nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>512414943
>the math does work if he magically moves all factories and made them operate at a loss
When do you fucktards get banned?

>>512416596
Oh and what's een better is that it actually pumped 4 hours ago around market close, but this news only came out 3 hours ago. Fucking insider cunts.

>>512415052
>*crapitalism fucks up yet again*
>/pol/tard shit-for-brains: HURR 2 THA DURR ITZ NIGGERS' FAULT
And there it is.

>>512415916
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>>512416365

Nothing is stopping them from making chips in Taiwan. Nvidia is a US company, they should mfg the USA's chips in the USA. We (the the remainder of the world, except for maybe BRICS members) are under constant threat of the china invading Taiwan and a US company's only means of production

>>512411229
basado

>>512410582 (OP)
wow, nvidia is dying.
Sell
Sell
Sell
Short
Short
Short.

>>512416674
>Tons of regulation
>State backed DEI programs forcing incompetent people into key roles
>It's "mUh CapiTaLIsm" fault

>>512411229

My favorite *NIX OS is Loonix.

Have fun paying 5k for a 1030 lmao

>>512415052
>This is not why chip fab failed in the US. It's because of affirmative action.
Lol no, it's because you can't compete with Asia, period. Bloumpf is retardedly greedy, he think he can have the cake and eat it too, that's not how globalization works. But actually he's well aware of it, it's just a politic show, and the end result is always more taxes for the poors & middle class. But we pretend it's a win so it's OK.
As planned.

>>512416865
sim, sou de brasil. i gotta go back soon. US is getting fucked. thank god for dual citizenship unless this orange retard fucks it

>>512416016
No one is going to rush dumping tens of billions in new investing, considering this faggot changes the rules every other week

>>512410582 (OP)

Imagine the cost of buying new PC in US
Mutts are fucked!

>>512414370
Lower quality workers would nullify any benefit from scaling, which won't happen anyway because modern us corporate are penny pinchers that would run companies to the ground for their own golden parachutes.

>>512416198
Well Trump is actually trying to bring some manufacturing back to America and not just let China manufacture everything. That is good.

Trump is the biggest piece of shit
every time he opens his fat retarded mouth, he fucks up the market - he's the lowest iq rich fag that's ever existed

>>512416929
>sou de
com certeza anon. mas realmente não importa de onde você é. aqui todo mundo é bem vindo seu filho da puta. até os ingratos.

>>512410582 (OP)
The way the orange nigger is handling tariffs is simply hilarious. There is no rhyme or reason, it's 100% tariff one day, 0% tariff on the same country the next one

>>512417068
that's the same mentality that got the US where it is. don't invite everyone there and say everyone's welcome, you're gonna get jeeted and lose all culture

>>512417046
None of the tariff revenue is used for the benefit of local manufacturing. It's only used to fill the financial hole caused by the tax cuts.

>>512417021
Don't you understand TSMC is charging out of their asses for manufacturing? TSMC new secret process technology for 2028-2030 is so complicated and expensive nobody will be able to afford GPUs in a few more years. Bringing this to America is the best move.

>>512417060
Manufacturing was already leaving China before him because the cost were increasing there

>>512410582 (OP)
Lmao useless miggers, Whites really are dumb fucking retards

>>512417195
The US government is incentivizing manufacturing in the US. You are just SEETHING

>>512417192
the diference is that what brasil is since ever.
the world is falling to become us.
in theory you are becoming me, not the other way around.

>>512417310
so? doesn't change what i said
Trump = volatility
Trump = retarded

>>512416970
/thread
Large companies are risk-adverse and love nothing more than stable conditions & regulations. They will simply pass down the bill to the consumer and just wait for Bloumpf's term to end to dismantle all the regulations with the next administration. It's just 2.5 years, it's literally nothing to big corps. Even if they tried to repatriate some stuff the first plant wont get out of the ground before the end of his term.

Do you want me to tell you how this will end? Big corp will pinky promise to bring back 80% of their infrastructure, and in exchange Bloumpf will bring back down the tariffs to 0%.
The corpos will then be snail-paced af with the paperwork and contracts, will buy some patch of desert in Arizona, pretend to build then, then do nothing.
They will wait until Bloumpf come back on his words, or until he leave the White House. I've seen companies slow roll the pace of projects for 30 years, so believe me they will wait. But nothing will come back to the US beside empty promises.

>>512417391
i'm from campo belo so that's fine with me lol. i just don't want brazil to lose its identity by inviting the whole world.

>>512411781
>You should stop producing the most valuable technological thing in the world and move your factories to my country, it would be wise, what?, no I'm not giving you anything in exchange, of course, just ask the EU Commission about our deals.

all this means is taiwan will move toward china voluntarily and the usa will fall further and further behind
nigger president

>>512412514
Apple having it's manufacturing done in China still benefits China. Same deal with tsmc and the us

>they spend $40-50 billion dollars and 10 years building a modern fab to make stuff on the latest nodes
>will only be (somewhat) competitive in america, everything produced in taiwan will still be cheaper everywhere else
>everyone loses
nothing ever happens, MIGA economics isn't even real

>>512417503
Do you understand the Nvidia thing to not sell to China is bipartisan right? You do understand the US government can break Nvidia right now for being a monopoly if Nvidia doesnt play ball? If the US government break down Nvidia and make Nvidia buy chips from Samsung or GF or just halt Nvidia from ordering chips from TSMC then what? How is TSMC going to make money? Explain that to me.

>>512414777
Lol trump is a literal billionaire and a master magician. A wizard if you will. He knows more about this sort of thing than you do

>>512417718
>MIGA economics isn't even real
maybe the next part of their plan is to bring a bit of freedom to Taiwan and teach them capitalism isn't about competitiveness and free market after all kek

>>512417718
US government forbids Nvidia and AMD to order chips from TSMC under national security. What now? How TSMC makes money now?

>>512410582 (OP)
The U.S. government will pay the bill for tech companies to buy these chips while the average American who just wants to buy a computer will pay 100% more. Brilliant move, Trump! As always you have the corporations and Israel first in mind.

>>512418001
They sell their chips to Canada and Canada sells them to the US with a mark up that is still cheaper than paying the tariff. If Trump starts tariffing every possible avenue of acquiring chips from foreign countries then the US just propels itself into a technological dark age I guess. RIP bozo.

>puts 100% tariffs on the only people in the world that can produce new gen chips
>It takes +5 years to make a proper chip making factory and years more to test everything and some other years to have enough production to supply the demand

>>512416235
Rice is only worth something to peoplw who want rice. That's why paper was created as an intermediate mode of exchange. I thought chinx were supposed to be smart.

>>512417942
Trump doesn't seem to understand much of anything. He's a geriatric mumbling fool who goes on long and unrelated tangents every time he speaks.

This is how Trump works. A Jew tells him to do something that will obviously harm the American economy or somehow puts Israel first and he simply does it.

>>512417891
>You do understand the US government can break Nvidia right now for being a monopoly if Nvidia doesnt play ball?
ah yes great idea, do that to the most valued capitalization on the US stock exchanges, where every hedge funds and pension funds drank the AI koolaid by the trillions of USD. Lets crash it all and explain to 401k'd workers and retirees why their pensions is going *poof*.

You seems to have the chain of command all wrong in your head. POTUS isn't the king on the hill, it's the banksters & high tech moguls. He's their paid actor, literally. Do you really think the likes of Musk pays Trump's campaign in the tune of $300M with no counterparties lol? It's nothing but cinema, wake tf up fren...

>>512412218
Not to mention that taiwan has way more experience, trust and the factories already set making regular consumer grade chips, last gen chips while they are also making and testing the next gen that will have to drop in a few years.
Like really, people forget that chips are like wine, you can't just make a few and sell them, you have to prepare way before hand before even attempting to sell them.

>>512410582 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ameritards can't make semi-conductors
They don;t possess the intellect or dexterity to do such things.
Might as well ask a monkey to install a dishwasher,

>>512411065
Huang will now charge 300% prices and you will pay like the stupid goypig you are. You will lap it up and ask for seconds. Stupid fucking pig. Buy the graphics card.

>>512411363
up 10% at least

>>512411880
They stopped making good games all the time around the 360 era probably xbox original era really

>>512414826
There is no competition all of the manufacturers are American.

>>512418189
German anon... I... How can Nvidia order through Canada when the US forbade them to order? Now the US break down the Nvidia monopoly and Jensen Huang is done for. The US launches an movilization to coup Canada and annex Canada effectively in under 24 hours. What now?

>>512414842
Never. And he already told you why.

>>512410582 (OP)
If I were them I would give the fat pedo the finger and not sell to America anymore. The world is a big place.

>>512411769
the infinite money making machine Bloumpf always dreamed to possess, he finally got it!

>>512410853
assmunchgold? he's going to eat shit on this one probably.

>>512418621
well, he got it for a while now, and he really LOVES it!

>>512418001
>Nvidia and AMD lose hundreds of billions of dollars or just leave the U.S.
>intel loses because they outsource to tsmc
>samsung wins and can now charge whatever they want for an inferior product
>smic/prc wins
>no one does any kind of capital intensive business with americans ever again
seems like a really good idea if you want TAD

>>512410582 (OP)
So computers and electronics are going to cost like 10K now?

>>512418520
TSMC is not american

>>512411657
and.... what is gained?

What Trump is doing is exactly the same as Brazil and India are doing.
You have huge tariffs on technology and electronics, to incentivise a domestic electronics industry.

That's the reason why Brazil and India are now giants in electronics and microelectronics.

>>512418520
Mutt education on display.
Your semiconductor plant won't make anything since DEI mandates killed it.

>>512418758
yes but it means you make america great again by paying more taxes. Can't wait the see the "i did that" stickers on every imported goods like they did with sleepy joe kek

>>512418001
>How TSMC makes money now?

There's this little thing called, "the entire rest of the world".

>>512418001
Selling chips to china.
China is the biggest manufacturer of electronics in the world.

>>512418922
In theory that sounds great, but in practice it's just making products more expense for Americans as the number of jobs in America continues to decline month after month.

Could it be Trump is a Jewish puppet and is intentionally crashing the U.S. empire? I think so!

>>512418922
???

>>512418520
There will be competition if the US wants to export its products.

If you are a GPU maker, you choose if and how you want to compete for that 27% deep blue slice. Some will definitely go for it and create factories there (it's already happening).

Others will think maybe the other 75% is fine.
Especially since you can now sell compute on the cloud.

>>512412435
I think you are gay and like butt dildos and shit
probably a nigger too

>>512418966
Trump will tariff anyone who buys them. No really, this is his genius plan. Stop selling to countries I don't like or I will screw over the American consumer. DON'T FUCKING MAKE ME!

>>512419139
That kangaroo has no idea what he's talking about, ignore him, he's probably high on meth

BASED Trump, we should be building everything here, not in chinkland.

>>512419139
Obviously the German does not understand sarcasm.

My point was that policy is indeed complete failure. All it does is make electronics more expensive for those countries.

>>512419139
Almost as if this type of police don't work and only make things more expensive

>>512411065
Don't worry, he's making the call right now.

>>512418922
Latin America is full of successful examples of protectionism. Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, etc have protected the jobs of native oligarchs from zog globalism.

>>512418898
billions in tax revenues, literally the only order wall street gave to Bloumpf.
It's legit mandatory tho, if taxes revenues stay flat, people will stay away from US bonds, no matter how high the coupon it deliver in interests, it became a trust issue.
You should look at how bad are the auctions sales of newly issued Tbonds lately. Literally nobody want US debt anymore, it's like radioactive shit. Only US corpos are forced to slurp it at gunpoint, but foreigners stay away, it's just too ugly.

That's why firing the main statistician after the bad job reports was the worst idea ever.
Legit sabotage tier.

>>512419294
I'm sorry but this is /pol/. I read more retarded shit like this without a hint of sarcasm on here every day.

>>512411769
At what point does this become literally illegal and too blatant to ignore?

>>512418477
Texas Instruments has numerous factories around the country that manufacture semi-conductors. Problems is the scale and price. You are paying a premium for TI stuff and generally speaking it isn't worth it if you are making cheap consumer grade electronics.

Hell just the other week ago I was designing an power monitor/CPU temp monitor to install in a charging cradle I made for a cyberdeck I built and used a cheap ass chinese 74HC595 in the prototype. I kept getting faults in a test script I ran flashed and couldn't understand why the fuck it was returning the wrong responses. I went over the code with a fine tooth comb before pulling out the Logic Analyzer and started probing every signal. Turns out it was the cheap ass Chinese 74HC595. I replaced it with a genuine TI 74HC595 and it worked perfectly.

Like that chink shit is cheap and great for making throw away stuff, but stuff I build for myself I want to work and be reliable. Hell just this morning I was testing some LEDs for another project and they kept popping as soon as I applied current. An entire batch of cheap RBG LEDs was all garbage and I spent most of the day with a massive fucking headache from inhaling all those Arsenic and Gallium fumes.

>>512419423
We don't have a working congress or supreme court, so basically everything Trump says is law.

>>512419415
Kek yeah. But even Brazilians know they're not giant in electronics, it just makes the stuff they import more expensive.

It's a stupid policy because it makes the sectors were they are competitive in (oil & gas, natural resources, agriculture) less effective since they face higher costs.

>>512419247
This is like a child throwing a tantrum when that's not how the world works

>>512418305
Jealous and impotent cope. You will never a billionth the man trump is. Not with that crab attitude anyways. You have a loser's mindset.

>>512410582 (OP)
Guy is pretty retarded with the semiconductor tariffs.
Same energy as the fags that think food comes from stores or electricity from walls. Can't just "make" chips at the drop of a hat.

>>512419502
>74HC595
Designed in the mid 70's
Is this your example of American exceptionalism?

>>512419423
If its so blatant then why doesnt everyone buy the dips?

Nice I just bought a RTX 5070 ti, for close to msrp and with a good trade in of my 4070 super. Don't care.

>>512419636
I have no desire to be wealthy or liked by others. My comments still stand though, Trump is a geriatric fool who answers to Jews.

>>512419873
I have put off building a new pc hoping they would come down in price soon. At his rate I might just do a vacation in Singapore and buy everything I want while I'm there.

>>512419727
he probably thinks semiconductors are some futurist gadget and nobody use them.
We talk about a guy who said
>wow it's all computer!
when Elon "sold" him a model Y.
i bet he still send faxes or bipper his pals for the weekly golf course.

>>512419596
I really don't get why autarky is so appealing to a nation who has become the wealthiest country on the planet by generating a plurality of their GDP because of their intellectual properties. There are zipcodes in the US that print more money than entire countries. A couple of addresses in Silicon Valley could rival the military budget of Russia. It's so fucking bizarre to me how Americans look at this and go "wow, that fucking sucks. I'd rather have more coal mines and sweatshops and have Chinese working conditions lmao."

>>512414481

modern fabs are NEARLY lights out facilities

weekday staff might be several hundred, but shift staff is literally dozens of people. with a 1:1 operator to tool tech ratio, with most of the operators getting a shit ton of tool tech training if they are remotely competent.

my father worked at a Motorola fab in the 80s, i remember the parking lot was easily 50 acres on property and would spill over to an adjacent vacant lot, with a typical shift consisting of ~4000 operators

the fab i used to work at had roughly 30 acres of parking on property from being built a very long time ago, and was down to ~400 people per shift when i started in the early 00s, they finally converted the whole fab to 8" equipment while i was there and was down to ~40 people per shift went i left in the early 10s.

there is a SHIT ton of really good paying jobs supporting fabs outside of shiftwork. any fab worth a shit is constantly adjusting tool recipes to tweak quality and improve yields. a 1% yield improvement in a modern fab can easily increase revenue by 100M+

>>512419958
>not so fast, pal, didn't you forget to tell me about what's in there
>*point at your bag*

>>512419986
Probably.
Guy is dropping the ball left and right. Still doing good stuff in other areas, but this is just an L.

>>512410582 (OP)
They do already. This foundry makes all the chips.
https://www.tsmc.com/static/abouttsmcaz/index.htm

>>512410582 (OP)
Market manipulation before he tacos out of it after his cronies load up their backs. I'm getting tired of this shit.

>>512419958
I built mine in March 2024, 7800x3D w/ AIO, 48GB RAM, but the 4070 super wasn't enough for 4K and PCVR. RTX 5070 ti is at a good price right now. At launch it was crazy high.

>>512420075
its simple, conditions are deteriorating since at least 2008 crisis and everyone is looking for a change. since the other side is just like its fine bro trust the plan this guy offered a real change and explained how to execute it (its retarded but politics is about perceptions not logic)

>>512420090
What do you need to be good at to get into a job at a fab?

>>512419728
Nigger, I gave you an example of something that literally happened to me within the last two weeks. On the other side of things if the Changs can't be trusted to get 50 year old technology (112 years in the case of LEDs) right I can't really trust them to manufacture the 17 year old Pro Mini microcontrollers that I was literally working with today so I have to buy the ones manufactured in America by Sparkfun.

Still wish that Arduino made Pro Minis, but they retired them since the Nano supersedes them. Those Arduino wops make some fantastic microcontrollers, and they are open source.

>>512410582 (OP)
You’re never going to move chip production to America because of one word niggers. No one wants to live around them so these factories in major cities have no skilled labor just because niggers and some degree spics drive all the skilled workers away. Also cost of living is too high in America also diversity hires keep the productivity down in these factories which require 10s of thousands of people. Also workers in America are too lazy and complain too much and try to form unions. It would never work here.

>>512413670
>Also fabs are toxic as fuck.

Not anymore to the outside. On the inside they still deal with scary stuff. But they are highly regulated. The water needs of fabs that people incorrectly talk about are related. Modern fabs have to clean their process water to such an extent for environmental regulations to discharge, that they can just reuse it instead. So fabs need a lot of water to 'fill up', but not much after that.

>>512414542
>Again, even with 100% tariffs it'll still be cheaper (a lot cheaper) to manufacture in Taiwan.

This is flat out wrong. Its 10%-20%

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/amd-ceo-says-its-chips-made-in-the-us-will-be-up-to-20-percent-more-expensive-but-claims-that-itll-be-worth-the-price-hike

>>512410582 (OP)
Isn't the semiconductor business the real reason we are protecting them from Whinnie the pooh?

>>512420090

for reference, all the technical jobs supporting shiftwork and all the technical weekday jobs. you can't learn any of this shit anywhere but working at a Semiconductor. All of the FAB tool manufacturers have extensive "training" centers to learn how to operate and maintain equipment.

there are maybe 3 US universities with experimental FABs on-prem, and they are more about teaching EE students how their "design" gets turned from a design to a finished packaged chip. none of them have any relevant equipment ro are doing any novel research on manufacturing process improvement.

>>512420315
Sure, I get the perception thing but a quick google search makes it clear that US spending defecit has only decreased under Democrats in the past 30 years. Retards are so insistent on sticking Democrats with all that shit when they consistently inherit the fallout of the previous presidency and still manage to make improvements to spending.

>>512416970

We already have chip fabs in the USA. Samsung, Intel, probably others

It's not big of a deal compared to the bill and might as well get it rolling. Republicans aren't the only ones that want this, it makes sense to have options for the consumer, even if USA made chips are sold at a premium. Things like this already exist

>>512415120
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

They pay people good wages in the hopes that in the long run it'll turn out well. Fucking hell you're so braindead. Kill yourself.

>>512420482
>Its 10%-20%
that's straight up lies, nobody gonna believe this shit.

If the Pentagon gets manufacturing back they are starting ww3 ASAP
>>512414612
Nuke every live streamer

>>512410582 (OP)
100% based.
Total gamer death.

Start a family you loser shutin faggots. You are not "right wing" if you have no family you fucking trash.

>>512410582 (OP)
The tariff is waived if they start building fabs in the US. So TSMC won't get tariffed because they have a fab here. If NVIDIA , AMD, and Intel build fabs here , they wont get tariffed.

>>512410582 (OP)
Good. I hate video gamers. Maybe some of you faggots will now go outside and touch some grass.

>>512411065
Jensen just has to break ground on a fab here and theres no tariffs

>>512420380

Every Tool Tech in the FAB where I worked was either a former Air Force/Navy mechanic, or an actual mechanic from Mercedes/BMW/Volvo dealership. Tool maintenance is all about being able to follow incredibly detailed documentation.

Math/Statistics, Applied Physics, Material Sciences, Programming/Software Development, etc, etc.

sure there are like 5 MES platforms that can operate a modern FAB, but its ludicrously customized, and tons of software has to be created out of thin air because there is no commercial solution.

That's what I voted for. No more new leather jackets for jensen huang until he stops jewing GAMERS with that Njudea marketing AI grift

>>512412590
You deserve to be killed by an illegal alien. Thats what you want and support

>>512410655
>>512414119
i remember this guy oozing charisma in this role. don't think i've seen him in anything else. why isn't he a bigger star?

>>512410582 (OP)
>directly sabotage your AI lead
Legitimately stupid love at this point. Once you’ve got supremacy in 12-18 months, then shift production home. Doing it now gives China a boost you don’t want them to have. Holy fuck, cunts, pls, what the fuck are you doing. Don’t let the chinks win this one, because it’ll be the last one that matters.

>>512419986
Trump is the dumbest motherfucker with such a platform in history

>>512420799
who needs families when 2D harems exist?

>>512420380
They apparently need everything. electricians, machine technicians, mechanical engineers, etc. It isn't just phd level chemistry or circuit design. Its an industrial plant that needs maintenance where downtime is super expensive.

On the other side, one brush with a potential intel hire: I was talking to a GT university phd that had an intel offer to run a particular fab tool. He was not an especially bright guy, and amusingly he was going to turn down the offer.

My other experience with a intel phd hire was another GT student that may have been the most intelligent person I have ever met. 4.0 straight through undergrad, then 4.0 all the way though an intense PhD ME program doing work on transient vortical flow structures created by pulsing heaters on the surface of a submerged inclined plate.

So, like I said, they need all kinds of people.

>>512420969
I cut my parents grass every 2 weeks, I go mountain biking. Still most of the time I'm playing video games. My area has shit tier weather.

>>512412706
Big back Taiwan #1

good

>>512410970
Joe Biden never doubled the price of my graphics cards.

>>512420948
So they will just have a token factory there to avoid sanction and as an effect the only thing changing is trump having material for some pieces of propaganda ?

>>512417718
>having chip production happen in the US is bad because israel
>yeah if we go to war with china and have no chips made here were fucked but we shouldnt make chips here because israel
So retarded. You deserve to be killed by an illegal alien

>>512420681

10%-20% is the number you get from many different sources. I follow this stuff. The bigger problem has been the last small feature company in the US (intel) totally fucked up their 10nm because the board of the company was and still kinda is ass. TSMC ruling the world rn is mostly due to management failure at intel, not inherent cost differences. TSMC pays pretty well in Taiwan. It is a dream job there.

>>512421328
You know the chips aren't coming from China and if a war with China happens Taiwan would stop selling chips to China, right ?

>>512418350
Tough shit. The US is obligated to break Nvidia down they just keep ignoring it but the US government is supposed to already have broken down Nvidia. The stock market is gambling anyway and when you gamble you run a risk of losing. They should have researched the company they were gambling on.
>>512418736
No, only TSMC lose hundreds of billions of dollars. No orders from Apple, Nvidia, AMD etc would break TSMC. Nvidia drones and Apple drones would still buy their shinny new thing every 18 months. Nice try.
>>512418966
Biggest brand in America by far. Don't make me laugh.
>>512419030
TSMC needs to sell chips and your proposal is that China... sell chips to TSMC? Good luck with that.

>>512410582 (OP)

Why miga won't tariff ASML machines, Taiwan is fucked with out that machines, oooo nooooo tariffs Tai Bros make more horny because You know miga.

>>512421281
Might be just 1 fab and maybe they expand to more. Its not token if it produces chip. We have no domestic chip production, which we need, so any amount of new fabs is good. We're going to war with china unless the chinks cuck super hard and never invade taiwan. Its a strategic issue to have chip production here because we need chips for the military. The amount of dependence on taiwan is dangerous and a strategic risk. The policies will work and we'll get some fabs here and domestic chip production. We'll probably still be importing chips too. But at least we'll have some domestic production

>>512418731
take this post down NOW!!!

>>512421434
If a war with china happens. The chinks will just destroy the chip fabs in taiwan. They'll hit them from the sky and from the sea. Day 1 those fabs are gone unless the chinks think they can occupy the whole island and take possession of the fabs. They'll probably just destroy the fabs. If chinks invade taiwan, we're not getting any chips from taiwan either. So we need domestic chip production as a hedge against that

>>512421610
You overstimates China's capabilities and ignore that those fabrics would have anti-air defenses in place to prevent that type of disruption

>>512410582 (OP)
Based

>>512410970
>>muh America can't make semiconductors
>Why? Explain WHY.
they refuse to hire the whites that can. any "made in the US" conversation also has to acknowledge that "made in the US" meant made by the pinnacle of european stock. now it means made by niggers and spics. I'd rather have chinks

>>512421490
>Its a strategic issue to have chip production here because we need chips for the military.

Its a lot bigger than this. The US wants AGI to happen in the US. The US govt wants what may be the next evolution of our species to happen under their thumb, and they certainly don't want it to happen in China.

This is why NVIDIA is being allowed to export to China. Jensen argued that disallowing exports to China will result in China developing a CUDA (programming API) replacement. Jensen argued that by allowing certain exports of AI chips to China guarantee that any AI developed there will be on top of US/NVIDIA technology.

>>512420649
>options
Trump is removing options and forcing people to buy more expensive made-in-USA products.

>>512410582 (OP)
Tbf Taiwan only exists thanks to America.

>>512410582 (OP)
RIP PC building

>>512422075
/pol/ has been arguing for this since Trump came down the escalator in 2015 or whatever it was. Its the core of MAGA. Bring back industry and good paying jobs.

>>512411363
>how much will this shitcoin will drop tomorrow???
It's already rallying because they're exempt. SOXL is going to be double digit green.

>>512421134
Literally every company that matters is exempt from this tariff.

>>512411311
all we have is moviegames with forced slow-walk story corridors, endless dialogue and consecutive cutscenes and the gameplay is reduced to "push the green A button when prompted"
then they act like we should pull 600 watts to run this dumbed down garbage

>>512415330
The spooky thing about this nonsense is it makes to much sense.
The deagel prediction.
The bizarre Chinese overreaction.
The weird connections between the Wuhan biolab and the US.
Fauci lying his ass off constantly.
The way the government insisted on a mass vaccine rollout.
The way the government was pushing vaccinations on children and babies even though they were the least likely to be in danger from covid.

Creeps me out.

>>512422304
"Good paying" will become irrelevant since consumers will have to pay twice for everything because made-in-USA products are more expensive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2025/05/01/experiment-will-consumers-really-pay-more-for-american-made-goods/

>Afina, a company that produces premium shower heads, recently conducted a straightforward test. They created a landing page offering two identical products with just two differences. One was labeled "Made in Asia" and priced at $129, and the other "Made in the USA" priced at $239 - an 85% premium. The higher price is based a manufacturing cost three times as high in the U.S. as in China and Vietnam.

>With over 25,000 visitors to this test page, the results were unequivocal. While a few dozen shoppers added the American-made version to their cart, the final tally of actual purchases was… exactly zero. Not a single consumer bought the American-made product at the higher price point.

>>512421490
>Might be just 1 fab and maybe they expand to more

nearly all of the FABs worth mentioning are located in, US, EU, Japan, Korea, and Israel.

China has a pathetic Semiconductor industry, any note worthy product coming out SMIC at any relevant process node is being surreptitiously funneled through fake design companies in Taiwan and Hong Kong to TSMC or GF. but since its some fucking no-name company they can't get any kind of useful quantity through either without it setting off alarms.

95% of the Chinese semiconductor industry is producing wafers for Solar, because it is so fucking simple with any semiconductor equipment from the 70s.

>>512421907
Did you see the recent all in AI summit where Jensen spoke? He spoke about this there and its something Sachs has spoken about and speaks about. Get the world on the US tech stack. I think the decision to export tuned down chips was good. There were 2 chinks arrested in the US recently for buying graphics cards and shipping them to china and violating export controls. The ccp has their chinks around the world buying chips and sending them back to china.
Id rather have the US develop AGI than the chinks. I cant imagine kamala harris navigating this well at all.

>>512422783
>nearly all of the FABs worth mentioning are located in, US, EU, Japan, Korea, and Israel.
Good thing these countries are all friendly with the US. Japan and SK are also the ones who would fight with us if the chinks invade Taiwan. EU / NATO might not and israel cant assist militarily in a war against china, israel is sort of confined to its sand box. I dont see how they could. Maybe they can send a ship and some commandos. SK and Japan will actually be real military forces in the region. Aussies will probably immediately cuck to the chinese and not fight. Flips will fight.

>>512411880
just picked up Songs of Conquest, Pennon and Battle and ATOM RPG all running quite well on my 1080

>>512422654
It isn't as simple as you say. China has been playing the long game in order to gain global power. For many years I could go to harbor freight and buy completed tools for less money that I could buy the raw material for in the US. China treats inputs like copper as a utility. The government does everything in its power to drive the cost of any input, copper, iron, concrete, electricity, labor, as low as possible to make their industry as competitive as possible. Then the companies on top of that steal IP, spin up massive manufacturing, sell at a loss to force foreign plant closure, then raise prices - this is what has just come out of congress related to drug availability in the US.

The problem isn't quite that china is too cheap; It is that China as it exists now cannot be integrated into the global economy - which is what was attempted from Clinton on. How do you integrate Chinese companies, that don't care about profit, into the mostly capitalist economic system lead/exemplified by the US.

I suspect you may be a leftypol visitor that believes intrinsically in the superiority of the Chinese system; but for the average man on the street in china that system isn't all that great, and there is no real future for him, or us, or really anybody. China is being cut loose, and anybody that teams up with them in BRICS without massive trade protection is going to experience country ending deflation.

In terms of domestic mfg prices; as the US tools up again, it is going to be pretty automated. As volumes rise, prices fall. Your shower head example is probably coming from a Chinese plant making millions against a boutique mfgr in the US (low volume) paying us wages and dealing with US regulation.

>>512423882
How does China steal IP if American companies send their IP to China in order to be made cheap and resold in America for a hefty profit?

>>512422242
TSMC is charging too much. The tariffs are nothing on what TSMC will charge for .5nm

>>512423088
I didn't see that, but Jensen is saying everywhere the right thing to get what he wants, which is to sell shitloads of nvidia hardware while the current AI hype is hot. I personally don't think the current hardware or LLM stuff is the right path forward, but I'm not responsible for billions upon billions of investment, which the people that are making do believe in. Who knows, they might be right.

What Tesla/Musk is doing is pretty smart, I think in comparison. They just announced a $16.5 billion deal with Samsung. Tesla is clearly going to design their own AI chips, and have Samsung mfgr them. They are not going to pay the NVIDIA tax, and they will not be tied to CUDA. They will have the flexibility to do what they want in software and hardware.