what's the best job you can get without selling your soul? both literally and figuratively

>>512443633 (OP)
what the fuck is that

>>512443633 (OP)
There isn't. When you are someone's employee you sell them your time. The most valuable thing you have. The very being of your soul.

>>512443719
Typical HR. Atrocious, terrible, soulless, ugly inside and out people

>>512443754
By that definition everyone sells their soul and if everyone does then nobody does so your whole idea is just retarded and banal.

>>512443754
nah, selling your soul is like going some place doing electrician work and seeing a giant tiled devil face in the NGO building for handicapped children and not saying anything about it. or caving to HR demands despite you knowing it's wrong

>>512443793
absolutely nailed it with that ugly comment

>>512443719
never been to innsmouth?

>>512443793
ive never seen hr before, i do stone masonry

>>512443921
>>512443719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkKHupWzB-g

>>512443841
No, slave brain nigger, some people work to create/build/make/grow things themselves without being in the employment of someone else to do it. I get that you can't comprehend anything but doing what a boss tells you to, but not everyone is that way.

>>512443852
That's some random bullshit, Hans. But, I'm not completely convinced some of these retards even have souls.

>>512444122
That's still selling your time (soul) to customers, dumbfuck nigger monkey.

>>512443633 (OP)
bus supervisor
>travel around the country
>meet girls, milfs
>just sit on your ass and tell the driver to adjust its tie or shine his shoes

>>512443719
hr demented bitch admitting how hiring actually takes place

>>512444122
I like the idea that soul kind of has to be willed into existence. or maybe a little plant you can grow, but most people choose not to.

>>512444122
>>512444167
To be more specific, my critique is that you can't equate spending time working for money to "selling your soul". Everything about life is transactional and about value exchange. When you make such broad statements they mean nothing at all.

>>512444167
No you stupid nigger. That's called putting your heart and soul into creating something of your own will and design. You get paid by the hour to do what the fuck you're told to do. The fact you can't differentiate between these two vastly different things is what makes you a dumb nigger.

>>512444361
Oh so you admit that spending your time working and getting paid isn't selling your soul then? Good.

>>512443754
this
wagies will cope, but this is the reality. Thing is, it's systematic, because you are forced to wageslave for 30-40 years to buy a house that's inflated in price, otherwise you will wageslave only 5 years and you are free, but jews want you busy wageslaving so you never look up and question. Since covid and later Oct/7th, the noticing been high, so they are implementing internet safety act and other bs to censor you more

>>512443841
>if everyone does then nobody does
Just because it sounds nice, doesn’t mean there’s necessarily any logic to a statement.
>chop off everyone’s legs
>actually no one’s legless because everyone is!

>>512444256
Well here's another broad statement. Putting your time into something of your own design vs doing what you're told to do with your time, are two very different things.

>>512443841
Kys you are mentally substandard

>>512444425
Working is great, being someone's employee is not. The fact you don't understand this is what makes you a retarded wagie nigger.

>>512444492
could get paid for something you were doing either way and people are fighting over where you're doing it next

>>512443633 (OP)
Teacher or something fulfilling

>>512444167
>>512444122

Subordination is selling your soul. Specifically subordination when you see its's an immoral or pointless activity.

>>512444562
One of them pays a lot more.

>>512443921
you must be new here

>>512443921
Make any cool fireplaces? Got any pics?

>>512443633 (OP)
Be born into money.

>>512444431
No technology or civilizations would exist without people sacrificing their time to provide value to each other.
>>512444492
>Putting your time into something of your own design vs doing what you're told to do with your time, are two very different things.
I agree. But you equated selling your time in general to selling your soul. The idea that owning your own business isn't selling your time to other people is retarded. It's a distinction without a difference, according to your own initial logic. Don't try to move the goalposts.
>>512444540
>Working is great, being someone's employee is not.
I agree. But that's not what you initially said. You're moving the goalposts to agree with me, which I commend.
>>512444607
>Subordination is selling your soul.
Subordination to whom? Your boss? Your clients? Your customers? No difference. All are necessary and put food on the table. I can tell you're not a business owner or self-employed because someone who is actually competent enough to do that wouldn't disparage employees like you do. You're probably just a neet trying to feel superior to wagies.

>>512444122
Why do you faggots always frame everything as if it's some conscious choice? You deny the very concept of systems of pressures and disincentives and pretend as if the only factor involved is personal choice. And no, I'm not talking about personal choices. I can't just "choose" to have a good career and a house. There's an entire system that I have to grapple with and there's lots of work involved in even starting the quest to try to get those things. And the entire game is rigged to make you fail. But you deny this and pretend as if a person was offered a choice between living in a shitshack or a mansion, and they chose the shack for no reason.
People dont get to "just work for themselves." 99% of people HAVE to make a deal with an employer to get money. I can't just employ myself and magically start getting income. If it was that magically easy, everyone would do it.

>>512443633 (OP)
Looks like a goat
Some satanic shit

>>512444792
No, bitch, I said selling your time is selling your soul. You still don't understand. Selling your time to someone is a completely different thing than selling something you created with your time.

I'm not agreeing with you at all. You're trying to say I'm right while claiming we're in agreement. We are not. These are two very different things we're talking about. Your time is your soul. Now, you can use your time/soul to create something, or you can sell your time/soul to someone else. You can get money from either one. But, one is cucked and the other is admirable.

What what ive seen glowies have it pretty good. They hardly do anything most of the time and a lot of it us pretty social. Corporate jobs can be good, you get to manage your workload, aren't monitored within an inch of your life and as long as you do what needs to be done the rest of the time you can spend socialising or doing little side projects but the work can be boring depending on what you do. People who work with animals seem to love it a lot. It all depends on you germanigger. I like customer services and sales because I'm quite good at opening people up and the day goes fast just talking shit all day. People always ask if I knew the person on the other end of the phone lol. Neet can be good if the benefits are good in your country and you have a curiosity for learning but rip to your future quality of life and it can be hard if you're just going to watch Netflix and play vidya all day, gets boring fast. A lot of jobs seem to get pretty easy once you reach a certain level, yeah your work can be intense and if shit goes wrong then your under intense pressure but most of the time your playing politics and daydreaming before meetings, as long as you put the work in early and you coworkers aren't cunts seems pretty cushty, but Germans are cunts so I'll rule that out for you.

>>512445006
around here the barrier of entry for being self-employed are business taxes, licenses and permits, general overhead costs, and so and so on. if I could just do whatever I'd be self-employed tomorrow unironically. can't even trade bitcoin without going through some absurd bullshit first.

>>512445006
No, I'm sorry, I never meant everyone could do it. Most people can not. I'm just saying that the fact you can't, probably puts you in the midwit category.

Only midwits have jobs. Because, stupid people can't keep a job and actually intelligent people do not need a boss telling them what to do with their time in order to be productive.

You see what I'm saying?

>>512443633 (OP)
Software development on some engineering software. The payment is good, it keeps your brain healthy, and the engineering part filters out all the retards.

>>512445141
>Selling your time to someone is a completely different thing than selling something you created with your time.
Let's examine this. What would the practical difference be at the end of the day? Either way you're exchanging your time for money. Either way there is no passive income, because you must continually work to keep a business running. Either way you don't have creative control, because you must suit the demands of the market/clients equally as much as you must suit the demands of your boss. You have this LITERALLY communist idea in your head that bosses somehow have it better than employees and that they don't work harder and have more knowledge and competence that justifies their higher wages. You think the system is rigged against you, and that people aren't getting exactly what they deserve. Of course there are some small exceptions here and there, but overall you couldn't be more wrong.

>>512445416
Only a few areas support this work
And they usually don't want remote workers unless you're a very senior engineer.

Or at least that's how it is in Australia.

>>512445802
>usually don't want remote workers
I wouldn't work at a company where people are working from home. Teamwork is impossible on a serious project that way.

>>512445445
>Either way there is no passive income
Very dumb statement. There numerous things you can build that create passive income. Absolutely shit statement and very wrong.
>Either way you don't have creative control, because you must suit the demands of the market/clients equally as much as you must suit the demands of your boss
Another retarded statement. I have full control over what I create. Whether people buy it or not is a completely different conversation. You as a wagie have, usually, no control over what you create.
>that bosses somehow have it better than employees
They absolutely do.
>and that they don't work harder and have more knowledge and competence that justifies their higher wages.
They obviously have more knowledge, the simple fact they are above you should tell you that. And, that is what justifies their higher wages.
>You think the system is rigged against you
No...no...it's rigged for people like me. It's rigged against you.

You talked alot about money. Here's another part about creating something yourself, when you do and succeed the money goes to you. When you succeed as a wagie the money goes to your employer.

I'm right and you know I am. Only an absolute fool would rather be the employee vs the employer. Thing is you're probably not even that dumb. You are probably capable of running any business that interests you. But, you've been brainwashed by kikes to think being the boss is somehow worse. Sad.

>>512445959
Yeah if you don't give an employer the advantage of having your IRL presence they might as well hire some freelancer overseas who will work for a third the price.

>>512443633 (OP)
Isn't a job literally somebody renting out your body and soul?

>>512443633 (OP)
Feuerlöscher Inspektion.

>>512445959
Agree
It's not impossible as j have made remote workers who don't speak English perform duties
But honestly a lot fucking harder
So productivity is reduced

My point is more that the places that do want engineering work, don't exist in Australia, or if they do they're in areas where no one lives and aren't Willi to fly you there.
Actually a lot of companies in Australia don't use local development firms because it's too expensive

>>512446096
That's exactly what it is.

>>512446058
It doesn't work like that. Not every workplace is a soulless, self-serving bureaucracy. Where real things are being dealt with, you can't do everything remotely or constantly swap out employees.

>>512446131
If I were in your place, I would have moved away from there a long time ago. Your country hates all real values.

>>512443633 (OP)
Literally any skilled trade job. I do irrigation, it doesn't require a license/cert and I charge $65/hr which is pretty cheap in my area. I learned everything I know now by working on landscaping crews and doing sprinkler installs. No classes...

>>512446045
>There numerous things you can build that create passive income.
Let's say you create a video game. Sure, after you're done developing it, you may be able to get some sales after putting in all of the work, but those sales will greatly diminish over time unless you continue updating the game or pushing out new projects. None of the people who shill "passive income" online actually sit around on their asses all day doing nothing. It's never really "passive".
>I have full control over what I create. Whether people buy it or not is a completely different conversation.
In 4th grade science class your teacher taught you that pushing against a wall is technically not work unless you move it. It doesn't matter how much effort you put in. Similarly, unless what you're working on is making money, good luck justifying it as "work".
>They absolutely do.
Most employees want to chill after their shift is done. Most of them don't want to worry about keeping a business afloat. Most don't want to go through all of the hardship, training, and education that's required to effectively run a business. Most people don't want to deal with thousands of irrational clients and customers on a regular basis and would rather just report to a single boss for their work. Bosses only have it "better" in your eyes because employees don't have to take on the risk, discipline, or the hours.
>Only an absolute fool would rather be the employee vs the employer.
Everyone wants to reap the rewards, almost nobody is willing to put in the work. That's why hierarchy exists.

>>512446437
>Most of them don't want to worry about keeping a business afloat.
It's also deliberately made extremely difficult. It's infinitely more difficult to start any business now than 50 years ago. Off the top of my head:
- you cannot only hire the most skilled people, you are legally forced to hire browns and femoids who will do nothing but steal your revenue
- you are extremely heavily taxed to maintain all the monopolies in place
- you are in competition with both the monopolies, and the subhumans who can work for a much lesser wage that you can't compete with because the cost of living in a Western country is vastly higher than in jeetland
- you have to answer to a billion "regulations" aka taxes that are only there to make it unsustainable to be a small company, since you NEED a team of lawyers and law experts on standby to fill all that paperwork bullshit
- you have infinitely less disposable income to start any company than in the past, and banks won't easily give you any loans, and those loans are extortion anyway
- you do not even have space to start building anything, all the success stories of the past are "I started from my garage", when today you need to be immensely successful to have a garage in the first place. In the past you lived in a van if you were a failure, now it's considered a success to even be able to afford living in a van.

>>512446437
>Let's say you create a video game.
Let's say you're not a faggot and you build a beautiful beachfront home that you rent out for $10k a week. You build it right and it will outlast you. Even when it's gone the land will be there for your kids to build on. Again, you're fucking dumb for thinking you can't build something that provides passive income. I never made the claim it doesn't take maintenance. I just said you were dumb for building things for other people. You're the one who went to failed game developer.
>Similarly, unless what you're working on is making money, good luck justifying it as "work".
Yeah, that's called being a failure. I'd still rather fail on my own than be a wagie with a successful boss. Fear is a big factor in why most people don't work for themselves.
>Most employees want to chill
Yep, that's the problem.
>Bosses only have it "better" in your eyes because employees don't have to take on the risk, discipline, or the hours.
I haven't been an employee in over 20 years, so all I see is the employer side of view. And, I can honestly say I don't ever want to see the employee side again.
>Everyone wants to reap the rewards, almost nobody is willing to put in the work.
Well, I fucking love work, that shit is addictive. But, I'm not going to sell my soul like a retarded wagie to work, fuck that.

You have the brain of a slave.

>>512446340
Move to Canberra anon~

>>512446956
>- you cannot only hire the most skilled people, you are legally forced to hire browns and femoids who will do nothing but steal your revenue
I haven't encountered this.
>- you are extremely heavily taxed to maintain all the monopolies in place
Yes, so much yes.
>- you are in competition with both the monopolies, and the subhumans who can work for a much lesser wage that you can't compete with because the cost of living in a Western country is vastly higher than in jeetland
Yes again.
>- you have to answer to a billion "regulations" aka taxes that are only there to make it unsustainable to be a small company, since you NEED a team of lawyers and law experts on standby to fill all that paperwork bullshit
Fuck...yes.
>- you have infinitely less disposable income to start any company than in the past, and banks won't easily give you any loans, and those loans are extortion anyway
Maybe.
>- you do not even have space to start building anything, all the success stories of the past are "I started from my garage", when today you need to be immensely successful to have a garage in the first place. In the past you lived in a van if you were a failure, now it's considered a success to even be able to afford living in a van.
It hasn't gotten easier that's for sure.

Still all that shit you said beats being a wagie.

>>512443719
that's how friendly advices looks like

>>512447157
>I haven't encountered this.
Won't be too much of an issue if you only have 3 employees, but when you reach a certain number you are forced by law to hire non-whites and females, idk how exactly it is applied in the US though.

>Still all that shit you said beats being a wagie.
If you can manage it and not fail sure, but it's very risky, and it's plainly not applicable to a society. You cannot have a society of only employers or self-employers for obvious reasons, and while "fuck this diseased society I'm living by my own rules" is based, I'd rather defend living autonomously innawoods than trying to navigate this jewish system to make a profit out of it.

>>512446983
Getting beachfront property and building a home that's durable enough on it to outlive you would cost an absolutely massive amount of money. Trying to recoup the cost by renting out the property is hardly "passive income". It's not just about maintenance, it's initial investment too--something employees don't have to worry about.
>Yeah, that's called being a failure. I'd still rather fail on my own than be a wagie with a successful boss. Fear is a big factor in why most people don't work for themselves.
Most people can't afford that kind of risk in their lives. They have families, children, and obligations to fulfill. Most people are too fucked up and busy just from unfortunate life circumstances to do the things that might make them wealthy. I don't disparage them for that. They aren't failures.
>Well, I fucking love work, that shit is addictive. But, I'm not going to sell my soul like a retarded wagie to work, fuck that.
You've sold your soul just as much as they have. Just because you like it doesn't change anything.

>>512446956
>you are legally forced to hire browns and femoids who will do nothing but steal your revenue
This isn't really the case until you hire more than 11 employees iirc. Most businesses never scale that much. It's generally better to operate with smaller more specialized teams if you can anyways.
>you are extremely heavily taxed to maintain all the monopolies in place
Corporate tax rates really aren't that bad. At least not in America.
>you have to answer to a billion "regulations" aka taxes that are only there to make it unsustainable to be a small company, since you NEED a team of lawyers and law experts on standby to fill all that paperwork bullshit
The trick here is to not hire lawyers and legal experts and instead to just make as much money as possible while following the rules to the best of your ability. Speed is more important than compliance. Once you have the money first then you can worry about legal fees/complications. Don't waste time or money preparing for that shit. It won't be enough anyways.
>you have infinitely less disposable income to start any company than in the past, and banks won't easily give you any loans, and those loans are extortion anyway
You don't really need much money for startups. Time investment is usually the biggest limiting factor.

>>512447504
I've never had over 10 employees, so I don't know. I'm not aware of any law stating you have to hire minorities or females, I could be wrong. But, I went to business school and got my MBA. It was never mentioned in school, as far as I remember.
>it's very risky
Isn't all of life?
>I'd rather defend living autonomously innawoods
That's nice too, but it would require much more work than a business owner does. It would probably be very rewarding though.

>>512447789
>Getting beachfront property and building a home that's durable enough on it to outlive you would cost an absolutely massive amount of money.
Well, get some fucking money then. Again, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not saying most people can do it (they actually can they just lack the drive to do it). I'm saying it's the only way out of rat race hell.
>Most people can't afford that kind of risk in their lives. They have families, children
As someone with a family and children, I do not understand how you don't risk it all to do better.
>>512447789
>You've sold your soul just as much as they have. Just because you like it doesn't change anything.
Working for yourself and enjoying it changes everything. If you don't you probably shouldn't even have children. What the fuck are you teaching them?...
>Go wage for shekelstien son, it's all you can do

When did the dream die for you?

>>512448246
Look man, all I'm saying is that it's silly to expect everyone to become self-employed or a boss. I know that's not what you're directly advocating for, but being an elitist and looking down on employees when they're an essential part of how businesses function is just ridiculous. You're acting like a father who justifies treating his wife and kids like shit just because he's the breadwinner and has the final say. Recognize that without them you wouldn't have a family and that they are essential components of what constitutes a family. Calling employees soulless is extremely jewish.

>>512443633 (OP)
After 4 year of neet Life I'm gonna come back to work in September teach MMA just two days at week for 3 hours in total so I don't even see like a work

>>512448509
>silly to expect everyone to become self-employed or a boss
I've already said most people won't. I do think most of the anons here are capable of it though. 150 years ago most men were self employed. They made or grew something themselves. This new age shit where everyone is a wagie who works for Mr. Shekelburg is horse shit.

There are plenty of retards here on earth, lots of employees. You don't have to be one of them.

>>512443633 (OP)
Lurk more, faggot.

>>512449058
>You don't have to be one of them.
Not planning on it.. What industry are you in?

>>512443633 (OP)
prostitute. then you're only selling your ass, not your soul.

>>512449058
>150 years ago most men were self employed.
150 years ago men didn't have to deal with 1% of the jewish shit they have to deal with today. Anything that can reasonably be done by a single person is already done by millions of Freelancer who cost way less than you, and monopolies. And once again, the regulations will do their best to fuck you up (see picrel). And those men all came back to a 16 year old unvaxxed loyal pussy who became the mother of their children and took care of them and the house. And they lived in an ethnostate.

At best I suppose you could find a tiny village and make your bread as a local producer like a butcher shop or bakery, and even that can be hard work. The very existence of globalization means all economies are deeply unhealthy, isolationism and protectionism are necessary for any economy to work. The very existence of jews means that, especially in France, that tiny village will not only die out from young Aryans leaving, but be submerged by hordes of niggers the government will force in. Plus the idea of paying taxes at all rubs me the wrong way, if you're gonna do so much effort, might as well live innawoods or in a very small and very based community, and shotgun the first subhuman that gets close.

And again, all those men worked because they had a working social contract, we do not, we have no responsibility or incentive to work, only to live decently, and that can be done via NEETing or part-time waging, men as a whole have no reason to work as much as you describe unless it's to genuinely get away from every jewish filth.

It's never been more easy to make money without turning yourself into a slave. There's ample opportunity to make money online, on your own terms and conditions.

>>512443633 (OP)
A workshop job like production machining in a well established business maybe.
Im expected to be here but i can do fuckall as long as my shit comes out accurately. They pay me 35 an hr to do it. And calling managment on their bullshit is fun because theyre not the ones that make the company money.

>>512443633 (OP)
Fitness instructor. You just chill and help milfs get in shape.0pmk0

i tell you then half of india does it and it suddenly stops working, nothanks find your own way, nigger

>>512443633 (OP)
Self employment or contractor in an industry you like.

>>512443754
This. The jew creates money from nothing, gains control of industry, then builds their slave plantation.

>>512443633 (OP)
Waste management or Trucker would be my guess