Thread 512447495

Trump team’s secret offer to Moscow leaked.

According to Polish outlet Onet, Moscow received a favorable ceasefire proposal from Trump’s circle, allegedly coordinated with European powers.

Key terms:
— Ceasefire, not peace.
— De facto recognition of Russia’s territorial gains, with formal talks delayed for 49–99 years.
— Most sanctions dropped + return of Russian oil/gas to EU.
— No NATO non-expansion pledge.
— Continued US military aid to Ukraine (reportedly acceptable to Russia).

Unclear if Russia will accept.

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1953412422783369719

>>512447495 (OP)
lol no dejure recognition

>>512447495 (OP)
onet is owned by ringier axel Springer, it is german.

If it is a ceasefire deal for 99 years then isn't that technically a peace deal?

>>512447572
So this leak might be real. Germans have some of the best spy apparatus.

>>512447657
>Germans have some of the best spy apparatus.
Lol no

DESU those terms were great for russia if there was any trust but there is none and its a deliberate betrayal by the US, again...

This deal is great, so it's probably a lie from the US to stop Russia's summer offensive.

Russia has a massive strategic advantage in the area and putin seems content to carry on sending rapists into the meat grinder for as long as it takes. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a deal so ridiculous that they wouldn't even make most of the details public.

>>512447495 (OP)
>return of Russian oil/gas to EU.
are the jews gonna force us to buy oil from russia or something?

>>512447495 (OP)
Putin's secret response leaked:

>>512447495 (OP)
>no GAYTO non-expansion pledge
their pledges mean nothing so idk why Putin is asking for it, he already knows that anything Mutts say is not trustworthy. i mean just 2 weeks ago he used piss talks with Iran as a way to surprise attack them.

>>512448030
we buy it laundered through india right now, you kind of need energy or you die

>>512447495 (OP)
Why would Russia accept this?

>>512447495 (OP)
>>512447572
>>512447653
>>512447657
>>512447923

Putin is going to say no & get his ass kicked. Putin is a Jew Collaborator, he's controlled opposition. Real Opposition has to be anti-jew, that's why Putin must be removed. Ironically, Jews are mad at Putin, because he rejected ukraine ceasefire talks earlier in the year because he thought an Iran War would give him a freer hand in Ukraine. Putin's hand is also weaker in general now as he lost Syria.

if zelensky accepts it then it means he was never actually in control of anything (he's always said no to the land taken).

>>512448170
it is de jure vs de facto
Never give up land de jure. Germany made this mistake with Poland

>>512448079
>i mean just 2 weeks ago he used piss talks with Iran as a way to surprise attack them.
By way of deception thou shalt make war.
–American proverb

>>512448170

This is the same deal Trump offered Putin earlier in the year that Putin already rejected. Putin knows he can't compete with NATO's Military-Industrial Complex, so he rejected the deal.

>>512448152
because its their only chance to avoid *mother of all 90s*
but they are too russian to accept it
they'll just keep playing their roulette hoping the other side gets the bullet first

>>512447495 (OP)
The NATO expansion pledge is the only good part and I doubt either side believes it

Can status: KICKED

Total reasonable centrist victory.

>>512448152
Why wouldn't they accept it? It gets rid of the sanctions, and recognizing their territorial gains for 49-99 years might as well be the same thing as a permanent recognition from Putin's perspective, since it's far longer than he'll live for.

>>512448152
Because it's a really good deal for Russia? But I suspect it's so good that jewtin will see it as a sign of weakness and reject it, pissing Trump off more and pushing him firmly to the pro-Ukraine camp.

>>512448321
Putin thought he could do a 2 week regime change coup in Kiev & is mad at his failure.

>>512448284
How is it good for both sides

>>512447495 (OP)
You forgot about the golden rule in life
>Never, Ever trust a pshek

>>512448241
zelensky refused the last one in turkey that's almost exactly the same.

>>512448170
he has no cards

>>512447495 (OP)
Ahah. You really expect me to believe they sent moscow a message with a double negative term clause? My uncle works in the Trump admin and told me you're a faggot.

>onet
jesus christ men this website is full of lies no one takes shit website seriously expect dumb people on wykop

>>512447495 (OP)
But this isn't a polish leak, but a turkish propagandist claim; the turkish regime is afraid of being forced to keep fight russia without any western military deployment and without the ukro

So for your knowledge; clash report @cl*shr*port are one of the numerous and disgusting turkish propagandist outlet of the disgusting turkish regime

>>512447495 (OP)
>return of Russian oil/gas to EU.
doubt. this has always been something the us hated

>>512448321
>Why wouldn't they accept it
The ziggers told many times that they are advancing at a very rapid rate and that there's nothing Ukraine or the west can do to stop it. And that sanctions have a positive effect on Russia, so the more they receive the better off the russian citizen is. Agreeing to a peace deal with no goals of the SMO reached yet would kind of make this whole war pointless.

>>512447495 (OP)

If I was Russia and got offered this deal, I’d push into Eastern Europe and go for broke.

And they will.

Such an offer absolutely smacks of weakness and capitulation. It says that not only does NATO not have the military might or materiel to fight a SINGLE NATION - but that they are desperately in need of that nations natural resources to survive.

Pathetic. The USD is a hollow shell and with it everything it propped up, from The US military (now just a sheboon daycare), to European sovereignty, to global Judeo-US hegemony. It’s all a literal paper tiger.

Russia has its faults, but in this situation they’re far more righteous and capable than anyone else on the board.

>inb4 muh Might of the US Military

I would genuinely kek to see WW3 opened right now. The sheer number of diversity hires who would be thrown, incompetent and flailing, into the meat grinder of war, would make for hilarious and historical videos of billions in Negro-driven US war materiel, destroyed constantly in laughable monkeyshines.

And then when they’d try to draft the Huwyte men, the whole nation would tear itself apart.

>>512447495 (OP)
>Continued NATO expansion and encirclement of Russia just don't call it NATO
Sounds basically like how it was before.

>>512448453
It’s good for me as an American

>>512448781
yes because it denies them LNG profit, the US had to flare the gas up and burn it prior

>>512448079
>their pledges mean nothing so idk why Putin is asking for it, he already knows that anything Mutts say is not trustworthy.
Not just that, if I were him I would be very scared Russia was going to get attacked during the peace talks. Remember Trump bragging that they strung Iran along while Israel was prepping to strike them? Why would you trust anything Trump offers?

>>512447537
Who gives a shit? Talks would be delayed for 50 years, hostilities would finally end and what's most important from an economic perspective: Europe (especially Germany) would get some breathing room because they would supply gas again.

>>512448967
I doubt Putin gives a shit about what's good for you
Also, how is serving Jews good for America ?
You guys have zero self awareness

>>512449037
there is a severe trust deficit due to US behavior over decades

>>512447495 (OP)
>no NATO exclusion
So no deal, nice.

>>512447657
Germany's spy capabilities are laughable. I wouldn't even put them in the top 5 in Europe, much less the world.

>>512448915
Yup. That's what I thought too
>>512447349

>>512447537
Trump offered de jure recognition of Crimea early on as a really good offramp but Kiketin still rejected it. He will reject this much worse deal.

>>512447495 (OP)
>still appeasing Russia
>still doesn't go far enough
>already offered this cope deal before
so basically, 2 more years right?

>>512449108
idk man, they knew way before everyone else about who blew up the pipeline. Even after all the gaslighting and distraction Poles, Ukrainians and Americans were doing to muddy the water.

>>512448697
just call them turks, "disgusting regime" is widely accepted common knowledge

>>512449077
I'll make an addendum to my golden rule
Never trust psheks and burgers

>>512447495 (OP)
>— Ceasefire, not peace.
>— De facto recognition of Russia’s territorial gains, with formal talks delayed for 49–99 years.
so just kicking the can down the road. In 2 years we'll see border skirmishes again.

>>512449032
In this case Drumpf is going to be at the peace talks, so if the mutts start shit then they can just kill him. So they won't try anything during the actual talks.

>>512449077
Scheiß auf diese judeo-Kriegstreiber auf allen Seiten, ich möchte gerne meinen Lebensstandard zurück. Hier müssen die Leute schon beim Essen knausern und in Deutschland ist es auch nicht viel besser.

>>512447653
It would be just like Korea

>>512447495 (OP)
They haven't even bothered to change the text from the previous 10 times
Our boy Zelya wont stop till the last hohol drops.

>>512449208
BND had decent analysts back in the day, but these days are over. They heavily rely on the Americans for any sort of sensitive info, especially when it comes to imminent terror attacks and such. They are so far behind from a technological perspective, they could as well be living in the 1990s.

>>512448524
No he didn't, Russia wanted sanctions relief & also wanted no additional arms for ukraine. Russia keeps rejecting the peace deal.

>>512448321
Why would Russia stop and get their gains recognized now when it can do it later when the gains are bigger and would still be recognised?

>>512448373
And it's good how?
Because Russia is losing and stopping now would be better for it?

>>512448321
Because it's a shitty deal for Russia's interests. In order for them to accept an agreement, listen well, as a MINIMUM it must be fulfilled;

1. Ukraine will hand over the entire Dombass.
2. Ukraine will sign neutrality: no NATO, no nukes, no western armies in Ukraine.
3. NATO must commit to no further expansion.

These three are absolute demands, there is no possibility of negotiating anything without accepting all three. The offer fails to meet all three.

>>512447495 (OP)
this is a terrible offer. nobody is going to wait 50 years

>>512449248
May be this is Trump's escape plan. After 2 years it's not his problem. lmao

>>512449585
>Because Russia is losing
Kek

This would just give time to Ukraine to re-arm since the West is scaling up weapons production.

On the other hand, Russia is still in danger from deep strikes if it doesn't take the deal, as well as their partners (China, India) might drop them.

All-in-all, it seems to me like Russia will take this pyrrhic victory, in order to stabilize their economy & fix electronics shortages themselves.

The risk is for them to be "duped" into a ceasefire that isn't followed by key sanctions being dropped, in which case I'd say that hostilities will re-start a few months later.

>>512447495 (OP)
belarus has become russia we all know whats coming for northern shitholes. None of this is true. Mutts have no cards

>>512447495 (OP)
that's basically betrayal of hohols

>>512449037
>Talks would be delayed for 50 years
uh huh yeah totally bro
>NATO will never expand eastward
>just kidding lol

>>512449200
This offer is fucking retarded and the ukrainians will say no. Then Trump will preted it's all Zlensky's fault for not wanting peace.

This outcome would satisfy absolutely nobody

>>512447495 (OP)
>— Ceasefire, not peace.
And already into the bin. Putin said he doesn't just want a ceasefire to let Ukraine rearm and regroup.

>>512448166
>Putin is going to say no
he would have to be an idiot to say no to this. But heck, idc. This war keeps puccia weak. Making it return to global trade surely will cause ruskies to go wild again, a decade or two from now

>>512448321
>It gets rid of the sanctions
They are bullshit fufu sanctions anyway. Europe is still Russia's biggest oil customer they just buy it at inflated prices through proxies to own Putin (while still paying him) or something

>>512449841
Then it's a good deal

>>512447495 (OP)
>return of Russian oil/gas to EU.
yes please

>>512449844

Why would that matter. Unless they planned on attacking Ukraine again?

>De facto recognition of Russia’s territorial gains, with formal talks delayed for 49–99 years.

If Ukraine tried to start shit up again the rest of the world wouldn't back them, without support from the US and NATO there is no Ukraine threat.

>>512448170
>he's always said no to the land taken
I say no to the law of gravity

>>512449586
But this is just as dumb and stubborn as Ukraine refusing to give up territory

>>512449963
>Unless they planned on attacking Ukraine again?
Euros are pros at holding centuries long grudges. They simply cannot stop killing each other

>>512448781
europe already signed deals that we'll be like 350bn in LNG from the US during the tariff talks anyway IIRC
Trump might simply want the EU to not eat too much shit economically, because if we go tits up, who will assist the US against China?

>>512447495 (OP)
>The US can't tell the EU to buy Russian oil/gas again; they don't have that say
>No NATO non-expansion pledge; goes against main Moscow tenet
this is pretty dumb tbqh. I guess hes forcing the europeans and ukraine to accept it once he shakes hand with Putin over this, but unless he gets the 100% commitment from them beforehand I somehow doubt this will happen.

>>512448090
no, we don't lmao

>>512450119
>>The US can't tell the EU to buy Russian oil/gas again; they don't have that say
we already are buying russian gas, just piped through india.
it will naturally happen because it's simply the cheapest option for us and we need it.
also, Trump has proven quite well that he can force us to do whatever he wants during those tariff negotiations, kek
that was an absolute blowout victory for him, he got everything and we got nothing while also eating shit on top of it

>>512448321
>and recognizing their territorial gains for 49-99
that will be 3.5 years when the next president is a democrat who isn't on any GRU tapes fucking children or drinking hookers' piss

>>512449894
What do they put in the water in Poland to lower iq so much? If I was Putin I'd start wearing a dunce cap and a shirt with retard printed on it if I accepted this.

>>512449810
Yes, they didn't show themselves to be trustworthy, they aren't negotiating in good faith, so what's the alternative? Just keep shooting until one or both sides run out of men? Just keep escalating and doubling down? There has to be some kind of settlement. The current world leaders also need to sit together, put their cards on the table and come to some sort of general agreement about peaceful coexistence. There can and must be a mutually beneficial agreement, proxy wars between nuclear powers are a recipe for desaster, shit will hit the fan sooner rather than later if they don't start acting like grown-ups.

>>512449963
>If Ukraine tried to start shit up again the rest of the world wouldn't back them
Trump literally said he's cutting off Ukraine and here we are with Trump giving more arms to Ukraine. Nothing jews say is truth.

>>512449999
Those three demands are the least Putin can sign without ending up hanging in Red Square.

>>512449277
>knausern
Du hast mir ein neues Verb beigebracht, Küstenserbe.

>>512450279
kek eternal war it is

>>512450170
mutts dont care about gas but oil because they dont have gas to sell to you. You get gas from russia and oil from us already.

>>512450251
Yeah because we're not a one man autocracy.

That aside Russia didn't uphold their side of the bargain either. Trump isn't president of Russia, he has to prioritize western interests.

>>512450323
>they dont have gas to sell to you.
We are buying a lot of LNG from them.

sources report Putin said
>лoл
>лмao

>>512450279
doubt.jpg

>>512448152
Russia isn't in as strong of a position as you think

>>512449821
honestly it is only retarded if they don't just add Ukraine to NATO right away and get this stupidity over with, for good.

>>512450579
Ukraine will probably get forced into some diet version of neutrality, similar to what Finland was stuck in for decades

>>512450312
Isch machi gut Deutschkurs, Lehrerin sagt "beste Schüler" isch Respekt, gut Integration! Isch nix vergewaltigen wie Afghani! Nur einmal vergewaltigen, aber Missverständnis! Isch etwas sexual emergency gehabt und zu Vergewaltigunggericht gegangen. Nachher Polizei sagen "Nein, das Verwaltungsgericht!" Isch sag sorry noch Deutsch lernen aber gute Schüler, aber er trotzdem böse gewesen weil Frau geweint.

>>512450506
Russia is in an extremely strong position, with stable regime, pacified and politically/culturally coherent population, resilient economy and huge battle-hardened army.
Despite Poles and other tards rambling about “new 90s”, there is basically zero correlation between 90s and Russia in 2020’s. They have zero idea why 90s happened or what even went on during 90s.

>>512447495 (OP)
>— Continued US military aid to Ukraine (reportedly acceptable to Russia).
BULLSHIT
utterly unacceptable
thus the rest of your shitpost is bullshit too, piece of shit AZOV hohol

>>512447495 (OP)
Soooo, if Russia accepts, they gain 30% of Ukraine right now. If Russia refuses, they get 100% of Ukraine in 5 years?

>>512450716
>culturally coherent population
mashallah to that, comrade

>>512448321
>recognizing their territorial gains for 49-99 years
No, its de facto recognition with talks for formal recognition delayed for 49-99 years. De facto recognition means they will "allow" Russia to occupy the territory by unmatched military force, which they are already doing. Formal talks delayed meaning they won't recognize the territory as belonging to Russia in any official documents for at least 49 years.

Every other provision is similarly a poison pill. Continued military aid + ceasefire just means resupply and regroup for UAF. Removing sanctions while the fighting is paused means they can be reimposed when the fighting resumes and potentially expose more Russian assets for seizure. No NATO expansion pledge makes the war appear pointless for Russia.

>>512450720
US needs clients for their overpriced weapons.
They tried to make a military deal with India, but India pledged to buy fuck all in 10 or 20 years. Selling to China would be comically stupid, and the EU is in so much debt that even if they wanted to buy (the French lobby their defence sector), they could not pay for it.
There are not many countries interested in buying either overpriced weapons systems or outdated late Cold War weapons.

>>512450943
There's some truth to that, especially when it comes to the Churka menace, but you of all people shouldn't pipe up about this, glasshouse etc.

>>512450371
Your natural gas imports are much higher compared to lng and that too is recent diversification. Mutts are seething about our oil imports and not turkish gas imports redirected from russia to europe because they dont care about natural gas.

>>512450943
Bro, you need to wake up from Talmudic brain rape you experience daily via internet.
Russia is like 10% Muslim and that 10% remained at roughly that level for centuries now.

>>512451093
Whataboutism doesnt work on me, sergei

>>512451211
I will not be meeting you at Moscow Eid next year, sorry

>>512451248
So you decided to evade answering properly and instead just use cringe Jewish ''humor'' to cope.
Can't say I'm surprised. I'd evade serious discussion too if I tried to ridicule anyone while indirectly shilling for open air mental asylum that ZOGnited Sharts of Muttmerica became.

>>512447495 (OP)
nothing but the annexation of Little Russia to Russia can save both Little Russia and Russia. Anything else than that is monke/kremlinoids treason against Russia.

>>512447853
Passing as mediocre is one of the best German intelligence strategies they pulled

>>512451248
I'm not Russian and I'm not particularly interested to go there, so your comment is kind of pointless. That being said, you guys would kill to have Russias racial composition, even if it's far from perfect.

>>512451362
>>512451502
samefag

>>512447495 (OP)
If I were Russia, I wouldn't agree to that in a million years.
What it actually says "pwetty pwease, give ukraine some time to recover and amass military".

>>512447495 (OP)
>continued US military aid to Little Russia
new war launched by 'ukranian' jews against Russia in 3,2,1 years.

>>512447495 (OP)
So just a pause for everyone to regain their strength and start again

>De facto recognition of Russia’s territorial gains
Are they not already recognized de facto?

>>512451542
Wow, another pointless post. Are you paid for engagement?
Cool, I'll keep engaging you merely to embarrass you ITT as you are too low IQ to formulate a proper answer to the fact that Russian Muslim population is quite constant for a long time, unlike Western Muslims which came there in the past decades.
France already has bigger percentage of Muslims than Russia, officially, UK is getting there.

>>512447495 (OP)
>return of Russian oil/gas to EU.
LOL what?
We just promised Trump to import all our gas + even more gas we don't even need from the You Ass of Ay.

Can't buy everyone's gas.

>>512451562
you said russia outproduces nato dumbass

>>512451072
this. monke, being a western agent, can accept even those terms tho. It remains to be seen if the military will accept this act of treason without doing anything.

>>512449894
>none of the stated war objectives achieved
>no capital city seized
>highest samovar population since Stalin
>muh stronk puccia memethink deboonked for a generation
Before the war I said the invasion was stupid and I thought Putin wouldn't be so retarded, now I think he's retarded enough to accept this. But in his favour, there aren't many ways out of this that end without a 1917-style Russian collapse.

>>512451695
Russia outproduces NATO in terms of military equipment.

>>512447495 (OP)
Why would Russia be interested in accepting this deal?

>>512448262
Typical delusional poolack.
Your shithole's next.

By the way, here's ethnic composition of Moscow.
So much for it being Russian minority or whatever bullshit you're shilling right now, it's certainly 85%+ Russian.

Let's end this. Trannies lost. I want to make business with Russians again.

>>512451818
Their equipment also outdies anything the west sends lmao.

>>512451695
implying you cannot wage war if you are out produced. See Hamas. I believe it was Nuland who said that the Ukrainians must become the Palestinians of Europe, with Russia being the Israel ritualistically mauling them down non stop.

>>512451937
Not really and it's 2025 bro, no one sane believes American MIC propaganda anymore, we saw the photos you know.
I still remember how deluded you people were, literally not even North Koreans are that brainwashed, you had ''serious'' military officers writing articles of how Russian conscripts will just start running when they see a Western tank.
You're dying culture and dying people.
That includes you too (I know you're Polish or Lithuanian or some shit like that, you're not native Irish).

>>512447495 (OP)
This proposal fails to meet the most basic Russian demands. It's not even worth discussing. Trump is not making a serious offer there. He is playing a show for his domestic audience. As always.

>>512451668
sorry VPNigger Id love to keep slinging shit but I gotta go to work

>>512452164
Yeah enjoy your dilation, I hear dilators at Eglin AFB are the best.

>>512451542
>same flag
You are absolutely correct, you are very perceptive!

>>512451471
One hundred times THIS.

>>512447495 (OP)
What americans offer is whatsup, eu is irrelevant. Its obvious that nato cannot touch russia and ukranny is grim.

>>512449208
>they knew way before everyone else about who blew up the pipeline
you can't be serious

>>512447495 (OP)
Ya know, if it works its fine. Ending this war is worth it. Putin can keep his blasted Lunar landscape, we arm Ukraine to the hilt and thats that. GG. Back to normal, the reds were stopped before they did any noticable damage.

>>512447495 (OP)
>return of Russian oil/gas to EU
Fuck that. That'll just let them rearm for round 2.

>>512451988
hamas is funded and armed by israel because they wanted excuse to genocide innocent people

>>512447495 (OP)
>According to Polish outlet Onet
onet is german and it's also bullshit

>>512452548
Arming ukranny is a no go. Demilitarization denazification.

>>512451818
so hohols wont be able to launch new war against russian in 3,2,1 years as this retard said
if anything its russia who might
so demilitarization is out of question if russia is not respecting ukrainian borders

>>512452641
They don’t need that tho, they aren’t rearming, they are already expanding their army.
Once this war is over Russia will be by far the most militarily dominant country in Europe.
You better start learning Russian, you’ll need it.

>>512452723
Nobody is asking your pissant country anything.

>>512451924
>Typical delusional poolack.
>Your shithole's next.

Faggot ass ziggers failed at all their war objectives in the end. Hilarious and also sad

>>512447653
That is the hope. But who knows.

>>512452777
but im being reasonable unlike you mindless russian monkey

>>512452738
Russia is at the precipice of collapse, we know this because they want to talk for real.

>>512452701
As you can see, thats not part of the deal. They are already armed and will no doubt fortify and arm themselves further with foreign support.

>>512452792
>Ukraine didn't lose enough territory, that means Russia lost!

>>512452823
>a just peace
Nobody cares, start gearing up for war loser, without Americans, lets see you get obliterated by vatniks

>>512447495 (OP)
>According to Polish outlet Onet
It's German though?

>>512452884
>we know
You know nothing and if you knew anything Germans wouldn’t be biologically replaced and humiliated by an orange Jew golem.
Just keep your head down so you don’t have to re-learn what your ancestors learned in 1945.

>>512452901
There wont be a deal

>>512447495 (OP)
Believing anything from Ukraine or Poland... two make believe countries

USA needs to be purged of foreign spies and treasonous locals

>>512449037
>Talks would be delayed for 50 years
And that's a good thing how?
>hostilities would finally end
No they wouldn't. In the contrary. That "ceasefire" only serves to rebuild dictator Zelensky's armies for another offensive.
>and what's most important from an economic perspective: Europe (especially Germany) would get some breathing room because they would supply gas again.
And why would Russia agree to that? The Europeans hate Russians. They massacred 30 million Russians in the past century and the prospect of massacring another 30 million now drives them into a blood craze. Listen to their politicians. Their bloodlust is insane.

>>512452952
we are but it doesnt change the fact russians wont be getting out of this shitfest any time soon
good luck opening another fronts
putin suiciding same way as hitler after same retarded chimpout that will divide russia in half aswell would be very suiting
but most likely it will just be another several years of east ukrainian grind with only common russians still suiciding en masse for whole world to see

>>512450202
that deal is way too good dummy

>>512447495 (OP)
Putin went too far by claiming to have annexed the four Ukrainian oblasts before going through the physical process of actually capturing them. Now anything less than total Russian control over all of the oblasts is a concession that’ll make him look weak. The problem is, actually capturing all of the oblasts is going to be a very, very, slow and painful process for Russia if Trump decides to continue arming Ukraine, which he probably will if Russia won’t take his deal.

>>512453142
>Listen to their politicians.
Listen to their normal citizens, the vast majority wants peace, good relations and prosperity for everyone. Corrupt retard politicians think this is a zero sum game, nothing could be further from the truth. We all know who isn't allowing a cooperation between Europe and Russia.

>>512453258
>gorecope
The nafotranny comes out. Ukranny is the biggest country in europe. You aint shit.

Would this end the crypto bullrun? Or elevate it?

>>512453623
>Ukranny is the biggest country in europe.
and you have still over 80% to deal with russian monkey
by the time you are done we will have our own long range hypersonic missiles judging by the looks of it

This is fake and retarded.

Russia never would accept such "deal" and negotiators know it.

>>512447495 (OP)
>Ceasefire, not peace.
What makes this one different from the other 200 ceasefires that russia violates minutes after signing?
>because Putin respects Trump
Then the ceasefire is for 3 years not 49

>Her russia is about to win this war and is winning tons of battles now
>AI spams shit peace deals over and over again

>>512450339
>Sides of a bargain that nobody agreed on
It's just verbal promises that hold no value

>>512453831
>80%
80% of dogcatching. Remember when yall were yapping so hard in the beginning and then you didnt do nothin at all cos your a bunch of pussies? You dug up volhynia yo pretend like i got beef so u can back out? Thats right pussy, that first nuke will hit like crack and then youll be all wah wah genocide the reds are being mean. Fuckin faggot.

>>512450506
If Trump was in a strong position he would release Epstein files

>>512452792
>In the end
So the war is over?

>>512450145
Fucking dumb nigger

>>512447495 (OP)
>>512447657
>>512448556
>>512449130

OP with nepal flag is a known CCP shill.

Why's he posting about trump's offer to moscow?

>>512447495 (OP)
why would that be favorable to russia? it's basically saying we're going to continue our propaganda war on you as the evil empire but you don't HAVE to talk to us about it for half a century. Lol. They might as well just conquer Ukraine and then ask eurotards who wants some oil

>>512451778
>>512450202

what russia currently occupies contains most of the oil and rare elements of Ukraine. Enough said.
I didn't get
>No NATO non-expansion pledge.
cause it's weirdly worded. Without that it would be the best deal putain can possibly count on

>>512447495 (OP)
Mutt surrender monkeys. This is unacceptable.

>>512454516
never change russian monkey

Clash Report is a muzzie who supports Palestine and by extension, Ukraine, as he sees them as the little guy being picked on by Israel+Russia. Total retard.

>>512455133
>>512455061
>>512447657

>>512451248
>There's so much interracial stuff in Russia that ...uh, here's ten pictures of the same one

>>512447495 (OP)
>Polish outlet
>regarding Russia
Ignored

>>512452909
no but they did waste a shit ton of money and blood on rural farmland. the only important gains were those made in the beginning of the war @ Mariupol. he tried quickly taking Kiev and failed, affsd that has just been a meat grinder.

>>512447495 (OP)
If that's true the Trumps is admitting US defeat

another pedophile L

>>512456330
>Trumps is admitting US defeat

This faggot with Polish flag is a CCP shill.

Faggot posts 5000 times per day; but never a post about Poland!

>>512456330
>now its usas war suddenly

why peace? I want more TZD! millions are still left for the bombing

>>512457116
USA started it

>>512457148
o rly? usa sent its tanks to capture kiev in 3 days?

>>512447495 (OP)
Hohils should make gesture of peace majing russian their 2nd official language.
Would really show they are not nazis and complicate Russia position. Oh wait they are never doing it because they are nazis.
t. dude from LNR

>>512455645
its government owned tv channel posting interracial BMWF propaganda not amount of interracial shit in russia

>>512447495 (OP)
>Onet
literal german communist propaganda

>>512457275
can I get a BJ in exchange for a bottle of water?

>>512457267
US sent weapons, intelligence that was crucial. If it wasn't for the US there would really be "3 days to kiev" and the war would be over for a long time now

>>512457541
what exact weapons usa sent before february 22?

>>512447923
How is this "favorable"?

>most sanctions dropped + return of Russian oil/gas to EU
Trump can't promise this. It's an EU decision, and at this point EU politicians have hard-committed themselves to the sanctions

>no NATO non-expansion pledge
>continued US military aid to Ukraine
Then what's the point? That's exactly Russia's problem

>reportedly acceptable to Russia
They've so far said it isn't acceptable

This isn't favorable, it solves nothing for Russia, it just a stalling tactic to let Ukraine re-arm without Russian bombardment before the ceasefire breaks down again in a few years

>>512457541
tank convoy ran out of fuel halfway to kiev. and they got bombed to high heaven. lmao imagine this you are so incompetent you didnt even think to take enough fuel
meanwhile vee dee vee got their asses gaped in hostomel waiting for said convoy
any military aid from the west started coming in after that fiasko

>SECRET INFO RELEASED
>literally the only outcome that would ever happen.

What anyone looking at this needs to understand is that the government game plans all these things. They have probabilities and they can surmise how a conflict will end. This ukraine conflict was at no point going to end with Russia being destroyed. It was always going to end with small land ceded to Russia, and some kind of assurance that Ukraine wouldn't be part of NATO.

Not that it matters now since they've shown that you don't have to be part of NATO to get hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and logistical support to kill russians, and while you're at it, killing 500+ of your own people.

They literally sacrificed all those Ukraine lives for nothing. Or rather, for a reason we don't currently know. Some have suggested that they're going to flood the zone w\ jews and make khazaria greater israel or something..

>>512457818
you can tell this guy is posting from a script

>>512457541
>>512457603
in any case it was bunch of small arms, humvees and non-lethal equipment
javelin was probably the most effective of those
so bunch of small arms is enough to get russian army stuck for years

>>512447495 (OP)
>onet
>Polish
it's German

>>512453563
Their normal citizens have no political power. What do they matter? They're invisible. They're not even allowed to voice private opinions in the public political discussion. Only the government-approved mass media channels are. The political class goes to war. On orders from the owners and managers of the global financialized capital. Normal people only exist to die in war. That's their purpose.

>>512447495 (OP)
If is true and we accept then we deserve a cuck crown until death of universe

>>512453142
>The Europeans hate Russians.
>They
Kannst du fucking Subhuman mal aufhören hier so scheisse rumzupauschalisieren.

Du bist Abschaum.

>>512447495 (OP)
Is everyone in DC retarded? Russia has been winning for over a year amd Ukraine is dead in the water.

IDGAF about the terms. It’s good that people aren’t going to be dying.

>>512458988
Geh Skyrim spielen, du Kloppholz. Und beim nächsten Mal fragst du, bevor du postest, deine Mutti, wie man sich in Gegenwart von Erwachsenen richtig benimmt.

>>512447495 (OP)
ukrainians and russians are all the same race of drunken, autistic, inbred slope headed snow trolls and I could frankly care less if they nuked each other to ashes. Fuck their war, fuck them and screw their lives. Caring about these subhumans is the first step to becoming a nafo troon.

>>512459127
The terms matter.
Trump is making an impossible offer. One which to accept would be political suicide for the Russian government. Either Trump still doesn't understand the Russian position or he wants to see the Russians reject his offer. In either case, people keep dying.

>>512447495 (OP)
>source : some Polack's twitter
gotcha buddy

>>512448170
>the actor playing “president of Ukraine” isn’t actually in control
Wwwwhat?!? No, you don’t say!

>>512447495 (OP)
That's not a leak. That's literally the same utterly unacceptable """""""""""""""deal""""""""""""""""""""" as before

>>512447495 (OP)
Peace terms from USSR are still the same as ever:
>2 genders
>4 oblasts
>No HATO forever
>Odessa too lmao
Why can't westoids grasp this simple solution to the xoxol problem?

>>512447495 (OP)
Only a fool makes a deal with Putin.

>>512447537
/thread

>>512447537
So little replies. Too bad /pol/ probably thinks Latin is some kind of illegal Mexican language.

>>512459359
Based. I hate when people are trying to pretend that they care and even slightly understand the specifics of this shit, all they spew is "war is bad, mkay, russia attacked first, attacking first is bad, mkay". If you guys wouldn't interfere in the first place, this shit would be over and done by summer of 2022 and nobody would've even remembered it by now.

I heard dyadya vova said demanded best of 3 between him and tdump russian roulette but dumpt back down and said no

>>512447495 (OP)
Nice flag, (((anon))).
Russia has been pretty clear on its terms, and this meets none of them (peace, no nato, EVER).
But please, do go on fishing this place for actual human opinion, when it's 95% bot troll AI bullshit like you.

>>512451072
I think it'll be the fact that Nato will continue expansion efforts that will be the reason Russia refuses and Trump/EU knows it

>>512447495 (OP)
Will never happen. So when will you give back Texas, mutt?

>>512459908
Westoids don't understand the meaning of "non-negotiable". They don't understand that in war the winner sets the terms, not the loser. Westoids are dumber than rocks.

>>512447495 (OP)
>return of Russian oil/gas
KEK america lost the proxy war. I'm glad you all finally admitting it.

>>512460441
are you winning sasha? do you feel in charge big boy?
take the L now or lose another million subhuman countrymen

>>512447657
lol, germans are famed for shit tier intelligence

>ceasefire
Time to Ukraine rearming and regroup
>de facto
not de jure
>continued US military aid
for a new stage of war

faggots

>>512448170
>he's always said no to the land taken
he hasn't. they've already said such concessions would have to be made to end the war and that's why they invaded kursk, as a barganing chip against eastern ukrainian territories. he knows land will have to be swapped to get a cease fire.

>>512460911
nigger all of those arguments could be made for russia too. fuck off with that disingenuous shit. except unlike russia, ukraine would be justified in trying to get ITS LAND back.

>>512447495 (OP)
The biggest joke is European leaders want Ukraine to have Crimea.
They didn't do shit about it for almost a decade, now they want to act on it.

>>512447657
>best spy apparatus
>Germans
thanks for the laughs

>>512447572
>axel Springer
these fucks are literally our version of CNN+MSNBC ^ 2

>>512448915
Yeah, i don't know why they would accept this.

>>512448321
regime change in Ukraine is a must; otherwise it is truce for few years, decade maybe, then jew lead oinkers will try again to suicide

>>512447495 (OP)
Interesting they think Russia would prefer return of oil and gas exports but wouldn't care about NATO non-expansion pledge.

Trump is desperate, Russia will reject this kek

>>512448617
>NO!
>FOCUS ON THIS ONE THING
>IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE
Fuck off, everyone here already wants the files released, so at best you're derailing and at worst just being an obnoxious faggot

>>512461051
evidence

Ukraine used the cease-fire to rearm twice when its main forces fell into the pocket BEFORE February 22, 2022.

Western political leaders have already deceived Russia on the Ukrainian issue BEFORE February 22, 2022.

There is already a precedent where idiots like you say that NATO did not promise Russia to keep its expansion to the east because no documents were signed - de jure

If the offer is true, then it's a shit that Putin has the right not to accept.

Learn the history of the issue, monkey.

>>512447495 (OP)
Currently Russia doesn't have water supply to Donetsk. It needs to recapture the whole Donetsk oblast to restore water supply. They may waiver Zaporozhye and Kherson but they'd stick to Donbass demand.
>>512448013
Russian economy is under immense pressure. Putin can only send his meatball soldiers because he has money to pay them. If Putin runs out of money he'd need to either start mobilisation or start money printer, both will be hated by Russian society. Though he still has the money to fight for a year or two

>>512447657
why is this vpn with the worst dumb fuck opinions you’ll ever read

>>512461863
Fever dream retard or a Russian bot?

>>512460757
What is that incoherent schizo drivel supposed to convey? "Only mindbroken retards doubt that Ukraine is losing"?

>>512461929
Most reddit post award

>>512462028
oi bong
Does your policeman know that you're on an extremist forum?

>>512449278
Have a DMZ too. Its somewhat realistic

>>512459245
Er lässt hier wenigstens nicht den großen Kriegstreiber raushängen. Du kannst gern die Drohnenzielscheibe spielen wenn du so scharf darauf bist. Du musst nicht mal warten bis die Eliten den nächsten Krieg vom Zaun brechen, du kannst dich jetzt schon freiwillig melden, die Ukrainer nehmen buchstäblich jeden Mongo.

>>512447495 (OP)
Absolute nonsense, wanna know how I know? The sanctions getting dropped, they are never coming off, never, no matter the outcome of the war, if Russia takes all of Ukraine, if Ukraine takes all of Crimea, armistice, doesn't matter, sanctions are never coming off, nobody will trade with russia, not the US and especially not the EU, complete fake leak

>>512462092
Oh yeah because "Ukraine is about to collapse in 2 weeks for sure" zigger shit turns out to be right?

>>512461486
Because Ukraine isn't getting NATO either way

>>512447495 (OP)
Russia will never accept this. Anybody who thinks they will is not paying attention.

>>512447495 (OP)
That sounds like a shitty deal Russia won’t accept. But the concessions (like lifting of sanctions) indicate the US is getting desperate. Overall, this “deal” reads like it was written by a schizo. The Russians have plainly stated that their goal in this war is NATO non-expansion, and also Putin has stated multiple times that he attacked Ukraine precisely because Ukraine was being used by the US as a proxy army, being equipped and trained in preparation for a war just like this. Trump’s “peace deal” appears to be deliberately crafted to prolong the war.

>>512462223
>batshit mad retard rant
Geh Skyrim spielen.

>>512447495 (OP)
Kek you'll know it's real if they start blitzing new land occupation.

>>512462932
The concessions are safe because Russia will not accept anyway. Trump is a confused dementia patient who thinks he's a master negotiator. He promised to end that war in 24 hours, remember? He has no fucking clue what he is doing.

Wittkoff is a real estate lawyer. He has never been in diplomatic or intelligence service, has no experience with peace negotiations, speaks neither Arabic nor Russian, never even made business there. I have no idea what the fuck Trump was thinking when he appoined Witkoff as peace envoy. Maybe he owed him a favor or something comparably petty.

>>512447537
> muh disputed territory
Ukraine can't join NATO for 50 years

>>512464384
Says who? Trump? His power ends in 3 years.

>>512460757
Remember kids

It's pretty fucken clear as fuck Russia won't accept zionists rearming Ukraine for another war in 5 to 10 years.

>>512464384
>trumps circle
lol

>de facto recognition of russias terri
if it is this is an obvious bluff.

>>512464285
Yeah sure, Trump has such a dementia he raped the EU with a trade deal and EU said thanks. Only the Putin is the god emperor genius

>>512447495 (OP)
Good. Stop the killing.

The Russians claimed all that they could and for that, they are victorious.

We got all the drone footage we needed, thanks, EU needs oil and gas.

Dont you fuckin' touch my beloved Poland.

>>512464784
Putin is a zionist

>>512448152
Its a fair deal.

>>512447495 (OP)
Putler is a cuck but he's not dumb/cucked enough to accept such garbage
>ceasefire
which won't get respected like all the other ceasefires in recent memory
>sanctions
useless sanctions that hurt Europe more than Russia
>NATO will keep expanding aggressively
why would he bless this?
>aggressively rearming Ukraine for the next round
What a deal. Sounds like they're trying to get a truce so they can fuck up Russia better next time.

>>512462255
Imagine thinking the majority of the world's population, the fastest growing economies on the planet, the largest standing army and navy in the world, are 'no one'.
This is what cutting your dick does to you. Or what you have to be to cut your dick off: delusional or crazy.

>>512464900
Russia won't accept unless they get more land in the areas they claim (Donbass) in exchange for withdrawing from the areas they don't claim (Sumi and Kharkiv)

>>512447657
German spies are barely able to use Google.

>>512447495 (OP)
>49–99 years

I will forever be fascinated by how fucking retarded Russians are… they could come up with any range imaginable and they choose 50 years. Some of the least effective liars ever seen.

>>512463726
Ich spiele aber keine Videospiele. War Skyrim das aktuellste Spiel das dir eingefallen ist? Skyrim ist von 2011, kein Mensch spielt so einen alten Rotz. Hast du auch etwas konstruktives zum Gespräch beizutragen, oder bringst du jetzt wieder deinen coolen Skyrim Spruch?

>>512448152
because if MONKE keeps pushing his luck he'll get real trained NATO forces taking out his cuck-cage encampments. And the whole world will get involved too.

>>512465040
China is a weak shithole, they will humiliate themselves harder than russia in a real war, but you can start moving your pelvis at Taiwan and see what happens, you are only good at cheating and stealing, in wars you need more than that.

>>512465040
>the China state shipbuilding company

I wonder if that company gets preferential treatment from the government…

>>512465040
>commercial ships

What is the US shipping to other countries?

>leak
So it's bullshit. Got it.
Do you still think the peepee tape was real too?

>>512447495 (OP)
"Defacto recognition... with formal talks delayed..."
What the fuck does that mean? Formal talks in 100 years about what?

>>512465086
It all depends on how strict they are about how much of the 4 oblasts they want. I highly doubt they can take and hold Kherson, so thats already 1 oblast theyre going to have to settle for being incomplete. They have all of Luhansk, so it just depends how much they need of Zaporizhzia and Donetsk.

>>512447653
Basically Korea.
Which franky won't matter because Russia will collapse the moment putin dies and Ukraine will just take it all back.

>>512465503
They really need Donetsk for water supply

>>512465827
>Ukraine will just take it all back.
With what?

>>512465996
Well then they better hustle!

we spent 20 years in afghanistan and iraq with no lasting gains outside of taking some of their oil and spending 20T we could have spent making a better life for all citizens.

Putin has no reason to do anything unless Trump puts a large standing army in Ukraine or France or someone does.

He will keep inching along till he is satisfied, build an unbreachable buffer zone like Noko did and retreat away from it.
Muh Sanctions, muh tariffs.
Europe is a decade away from being a threat for a ground invasion or similar without the US.
And Putin wants a cut off and no go zone forcing any incursion to be by sea. And he wants it before then.

More of Trump doing exactly or similar to the same game plan biden was doing in both conflicts for the most part.

And putin would cause a nuclear meltdown or tac nuke an area if he has to.

That was didn't just fuck US Russia relations but fucked US EU relations - probably more. They where promised Russian collapse but all they got was debt, Ukranian refugees, and worse oil prices.

>>512465250
>>512465269
>>512465305
Jesus you kikes are filthy.
China is the largest EXPORTER of goods on the planet, by a huge margin, and making a killing at it.
You are a lot more beholden to their goods than they are to anyones.
You think things are thing to be honky dory if that supply chain dries up?
You think the west is going to just transition to a self sufficient economy at the turn of a dime?
You think all the jeets and chinks and nips and wetbacks are just going to transition into slaves if ww3 breaks out?
The longer they wait, the weaker the west is, because the west is so fucking dead set on cutting their own throats with absolutely ridiculous trade agreements that only ensures less and less people come to the table.
Brics is rising, and dollar is failing, and you fucking retards are here sitting in your cubicles splurging for kikes for fiat shekels.
Enjoy 9 meals to anarchy.
I know I will.

Day 1 bros.
My Benis is bigger than hunters too.
Huuuuuge

>>512448010
this.
when both sides are in a standpoint position, one millimeter matters in the outcome.
but besides this ukraine jew war.
the question that does not get answered is:
why aren´t britbongs starving or freezing to death?

>>512447495 (OP)
>In exchange of admitting your clear victory over the NATO we propose a ceasefire, a recognition of the new territories you conquered for 49 years, the drop of sanctions (the ones from USA not EU because we need these to buy everything from us, from Monsanto mutant tomatoes to liquid gas), NATO will keep expanding and we will keep funding Ukraine
Trump thinks everyone is the EU Commission?

>>512449037
>hostilities would finally end
Ceasefire is not the same as a peace deal, fun fact the World War 2 never ended because USA never signed a peace treaty with Germany.

>>512467053
Yes, but they stopped bombing each other, right? That's good enough for me.

>>512466195
With battle Armored hogs

>>512447657
>Germans have some of the best spy apparatus.
Nigger the days of Gestapo and Stasi are over. They were the only top tier glownigger op that the Germans had. Germany like most of world is in a state of apathy.

>>512447495 (OP)
what type of idiot would allow the continued resupply and rearmament of the Ukraine? Unless of course Russia is just going to use it to ramp things up and reinvade.

>>512467266
>but they stopped bombing each other, right?
I don't remember a single German plane bombing a single USA piece of infrastructure, meanwhile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKt6iL-t6Bw

>>512447495 (OP)
How should America and Russia carve up Europe? I am including the British in this, too. Britain should have been carved up a long time ago.

>>512447495 (OP)
Leaked in your mom last night.

>>512464854
>Putin is the god emperor genius
Source?

>>512447495 (OP)
>>512447495 (OP)
>>512447495 (OP)
TWO
MORE
WEEKS

>>512447495 (OP)
it's fucking bullshit and lies.
Russians have denied all this shit.

>>512447537
No one gives a shit, lmao. Why are Germans so cucked. "B-b-but the laws say it isn't Russian territory!" Christ, we really did a number on you after WW2.

>>512465169
Interessiert einen toten Moslem, Mongo. Geh Skyrim spielen. Hier diskutieren Erwachsene das amerikanische Waffenstillstandsgesuch. Du und dein Gewinsel sind irrelevant. Jetzt zieh ab.

>>512453258
You act like they aren't wasting ukrainians lives. Their fertility rate is fucked and that Jew will only use Africa to replace the dead. I guess you want Africa next door eventually. Haiti will see you as true brothers.

>>512465827
No, not "basically Korea". It's a completely different situation with completely different requirements. By the way, seeing how the Koreans send troops to support the liberation of Ukraine, I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian troop deployments on the Korean demarcation line as soon as Ukraine is pacified. So that Korea can make its move into the US-occupied south as soon as China opens the Indo-Pacific game with the liberation of Taiwan.

>>512467822
>Me no comprende what is law do
Mutt moment.

>>512468467
Not Africa. India. Expect major colonization waves in the near future. All that paranoid "hostile invader" drivel that the stormfags endlessly sperg on about, the Indians are actually going to make it real. With success.

>>512460987
>that's why they invaded kursk, as a barganing chip against eastern ukrainian territories. he knows land will have to be swapped to get a cease fire.
So much for that 8d move.

>>512447495 (OP)
>just let us rearm ukraine plox, here, sign this fake deal number 20
lol, that's not gonna happen

>>512465181
Omg so captain america and captain avengers will btfo Russia? Epic.

>>512451248
Tbh a mutt flag should be the last thing on earth posting about niggers with white women in other countries, considering it's as American as apple pie at this point.

>>512466195
With you, your father, your children and the rest of your relatives.

>>512447495 (OP)
Cool