Thread 512450106

Christians recognize two gods- the god of heaven and the god of hell. If Satan isn’t a god, then why can’t he be defeated?
Christianity is polytheistic.

>>512450106 (OP)
>never read the bible
>make an entire thread about it
Why are kikes like this?

>>512450106 (OP)
>Christians recognize two gods- the god of heaven and the god of hell
no. you're thinking zoroastrianism
>If Satan isn’t a god
he is
>Christianity is polytheistic
it isn't

>>512450149
Why do so many Christians believe in Satan?

It's literally the same guy.
You people are fools falling for the old false dichotomy schtick.
Same with politicians.

One thing is certain: more people have died because of Jesus than because of Satan. So it's pretty clear who the real villain is.

The one called the Devil never killed anyone, but millions have died in the name of God.

>>512450106 (OP)
We recognize that gravity has powers, electricity has powers, everything has power and purpose but it all comes for a single intelligent designer. Yes he has helpers who have free will and capable of rebelling. Also Satan is no longer the lord of Hell, Jesus took Hell over and took the keys to it. If you want to stay out of there then put faith in His Gospel. Any other Gospel is cursed.

>>512450454
>Jesus took Hell over and took the keys to it.
Is this stated in the bible?

>>512450920
[Rev 1:18 KJV] 18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

>>512450106 (OP)
>Christians recognize two gods- the god of heaven and the god of hell.
No. God created Heaven and Hell and He send who He wants to Heaven or to Hell.
>If Satan isn’t a god, then why can’t he be defeated?
He has already been defeated and sent to Hell we can't see it because we can't see the future but it was already reveled to us.
>Christianity is polytheistic.
No, there is only one God.

>>512450328
>God tells you this life is fleeting and there are greater things and rewards than it for those who reject fear and overcome our most primal urge, that of self preservation, to seek a higher calling of self sacrificial love and service to others.
>Proves it by dying himself for others and coming back
>More people are willing to sacrifice their life to do what is right or their misguided belief of what is right
>Shocked pikachu face
>That firefighter that died but managed to save the two kids trapped in the fire? What a sucker Im so much better and smarter cuz Id never do that! And for so few shekels too!

You call people freiers dont you?
Brood of vipers, children of the devil.

“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

>>512450106 (OP)
wrong, he can. he will.

>>512451734
Mate which one's worse the guy who says he'll send everyone who doesn't believe him to eternal hellfire, or the one who at least tempts you once and then leaves you alone if you resist?

Honestly, I think the first guy's way more of a villain

>>512452220
>One wants you to join him of your own free will in paradise by telling you the truth
>Other wants to trick you into hell with lies and illusions of this fleeting earth

You call people freiers dont you?
>I dont understand I dont have an eternal soul
>Ok but let's imagine you did, what would you do or sell it for in a world where you know youll soon die, inevitably?
>but I dont have a soul

Yes we know kikes have already traded theirs for the world but shouldnt their "high verbal iq" allow them to consider such hypotheticals?

Kikeshills are just advanced breakfast posters apparently

>>512452220
your comparison presumes that eternal damnation is arbitrary or vindictive, but Christian theology holds that separation from God is a consequence of freely chosen alienation from the source of all goodness.
if God is the maximal being, then rejecting Him is not just a minor error but a profound moral rupture. the 'temptation and abandonment' model trivializes moral agency and the gravity of sin.
the question isn't which figure is more villainous, but whether justice and love can coexist in a world where freedom entails real consequences.

none of that is true you faggot.

sage. go ahead and ban me tranny jannies. you will never be a real woman!

>separate people into two categories and put them in two different places
>One filled with people who would rather die than murder another
>One filled with people who would murder to save their own skin even if just for another hour.
>Wowww how was I supposed to know one place would be a paradise and the other hell
Even if the two places started exactly the same way with the same conditions the people there would make it a paradise or hell withij the first day

>>512452679
So you think forcing people to believe in some fairy tale under threat of eternal torture is "truth"? That's your freedom of choice? Sounds more like a cosmic scam to me

>>512453633
calling belief in God a 'cosmic scam' presupposes that theism is both false and morally repugnant. but if God exists and is the greatest conceivable being (omniscient, omnibenevolent, just) then divine judgment is not coercion but hte natural consequence of freely chosen alienation from the good. the offer of salvation is not a threat but a gift, and rejecting it doesn't make it any less real.
freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom from consequences, and truth, if it matters at all, is not invalidated by its seriousness.

>>512453633
>Get invitation to party
>Reject invitation due to selfish reasons
>Left out in the dark gnashing your teeth along with all the other people who rejected the invitation
>I can hear those inside having fun while Im miserable out here, this is his fault for inviting me to the party I didnt want to go to.

Bipolar kike genes clearly at work.

>>512452692
Your view assumes only one faith is right, but billions believe otherwise. If separation from God is "freely chosen", what about good people who don't believe? kill them all?

Your "justice and love" idea sounds nice, but true morality means empathy and reason, not blind obedience to dogma

>>512453952
You say divine judgment isn't coercion but a natural consequence. But threatening eternal torture to force belief hardly sounds like freedom or a gift, it's a fear tactic dressed as salvation.

True freedom means making choices without the shadow of infinite punishment hanging over you ok?

>>512450106 (OP)
My God allows them to exist because my God is good. Your definition of Good and Evil is garbage.

>>512454117
you're right that billions believe differently, but truth isn't democratic.
the numbers of believers doesn't determine which belief is true.
as for sincere non-believers, Christian theism doesn't teach that God delights in condemnation, it teaches that He desires all to be saved. if someone truly seeks the good, the true, and the beautiful, they're not far from Him.
and morality grounded in empathy and reason is admirable, but incomplete.
empathy can be misguided and reason can justify horrors.
truth isn't about comfort, and morality without a metaphysic inevitably collapses into relativism.
without a transcendent anchor, morality becomes preference dressed up as principle.
divine commands aren't arbitrary rules, they're expressions of perfect goodness. obedience to that isn't blind, it's the clearest vision we can have.

>>512453997
So you're saying it's my fault for rejecting a party I never wanted to attend in the first place? Sounds like classic victim blaming with a side of gaslighting.

>>512454313
>Every choice in this life has consequences, from the food you eat to when you decide to wake up to where you go and who you associate with
>Wowww why did mcdonalds take away my free will by existing, now Im fat forever
>Wowww he was a bad friend and now I have bad memories forever
So you dont have free will now either. Your pilpul game is weak

>>512450149
>Satan is a god
>Also, Christianity isn't polytheistic

>>512450106 (OP)
Satan was defeated.
>Matthew 4:10-11
>10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
>11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

>>512450139
Because they are devils

>>512454313
here you're assuming that divine judgment is a threat designed to manipulate belief, but that's a category mistake.
if God is real and perfectly just, then separation from Him isn't imposed punishment, it's hte inevitable result of rejecting the source of all goodness.
it's not coercion any more than gravity 'coerces' you when you step off a cliff.
the seriousness of the consequences doesn't negate freedom, it underscores it.
if your choices didn't matter, there'd be no consequences.
true freedom isn't the absence of stakes, it's the ability to choose even when the stakes are eternal.

and calling it a 'fear tactic' misses the point. fear is appropriate when danger is real.
if someone wants you about a fire and offers a way out, that's not manipulation, it's mercy. the gift of salvation isn't forced, it's offered.
you're free to reject it, but don't confuse the gravity of the choice with the loss of freedom.

>>512454453
>Didnt want to go
>Yet is bitching about not being where the partygoers are
>Wowwww how was I supposed to know being out here alone would be less fun, this is all God's fault for not dragging me into the party against my will

>>512454524
Bros like misinterpreting it. Satan is an angel like a servant of god, I wanna stop myself there- he is a fallen. But like god and him do business together. I wanna stop myself there I have now become the anon that you were referring to.

>>512454417
Yeah yeah, truth ain't a popularity contest, we get it. But ignoring billions of people who think differently like you're the ultimate brainlet? That's just ego stroking, buddy.
Empathy and reason are "incomplete"? Nah, they're the only reason we ain't still sacrificing virgins or burning witches.

>>512454524
think of it in terms of transexuality.
a janny on this site may cut his dick off, and there will be people who regard them as a woman, but they will never be a real woman.
just as satan will never be a real god.

>>512450139
As if any christians here have read the bible, pol christlarpers deny jesus was a jew

>>512454703
Have you ever read Deurotomy 28?

>>512450106 (OP)
Not really devout but seems to me like he is defeated though, isn't he? Already defeated even, kind of, but not even that because it was never really a contest. Whatever satan gets away with is permitted by God. Satan is just as much a creation as we are, and we can't presume to know why creation was created. God might even like satan of what hos presence brings to the rest of creation, but at the very least tolerates him until it is time to eliminate him in the lake of fire or whatever.