Thread 512468315

The billions are flowing in today thanks to The Donald's tariffs!

>>512468315 (OP)
Wow israel is going to be rich!

>>512468315 (OP)
The only time I've ever seen a politician bragging about how much they raised taxes

Laptops are already shit due to tariffs and now he says he's going to put a 100% tax on chips

>>512468315 (OP)
awesome can't wait for some to trickle down to me. It will, right?

KEK

>>512468315 (OP)
I LOVE MAMMON!...

>>512468315 (OP)
>Still cant get even an entry level job

>>512468315 (OP)
Clown world is now slipping into demon world, prepare

into the pockets of politicians and the elites

flowing from the pocket of americans to israel lmao, but that's hardly anything new

Item worth 100$ is imported into the US.

Tariff is 100%

The importer needs to pay$ 100 on it. This 100$ goes into the pocket of the govt.

The importer pays 2x the price for the same item.

>Billions flowing.
KEK

Farmers are going bankrupt because the Mexicans aren’t showing up to pick lettuce.

>>512468315 (OP)
the money used to pay tariffs comes from the US

it's not flowing into the country

it's flowing out of citizens' pockets into the US treasury's coffers

>>512468659
Sure. You will receive your $5000 doge stimulus check any moment now

>i pay 30% more for shit
>winning

another tax on the middle class, thank you zion don

>>512468315 (OP)
How does money from Americans flow into america?

>>512468315 (OP)
>I am taxing American companies importing chinksect slop BILLIONS!
>You goy consoomers will pay them extra for the same chinksect slop you bought last year!
>But I love my voters who don't realize this is socialist as fuck cheering me on raping them over the coals!

MIGA/MCGA, not even once.

>>512468315 (OP)
He knows damn well that Americans are the ones who pay these tariffs, so he's lying when he says that the money is "flowing in" to this country.

>>512469076
It flows from the poor and middle class to billionaires.

>>512468315 (OP)
Cool, so that income tax thing is going away now right?

>>512468723
thats not how tariffs work, trump is my best friend and he told me tariffs would actually make prices lower not higher

>>512468315 (OP)
What's stopping most countries to just trade between each others and leave mutts behind?
It's not like America contributes to global commerce at all. They're no longer the global police and they don't actually make anything other than toxic goyslop and shit cars so why does everyone have to trade with them and accept their fake, kike money?

>>512468315 (OP)
americans can't be dumb like trump think they are.

>>512469110
even if the producers reduced their costs (they didn't) it still wouldn't be money "flowing" into the country, it would still just be amerimutt consumers paying an extra tax while buying the same thing that just got cheaper (but it didn't)

foreigners are on here seething, so it's obviously good for me and bad for them

>>512469149
Oh redistribution of wealth, that's socialism

>>512469076
It's a magical creation called trickle down economics, the richer you make rich people, the more money will supposedly fall from their overflowing pockets into the hands of the poor and middle class. Isn't that amazing?

>>512469246
nothing. i think in trumps mind its still 1950 and the rest of the world is still recovering from WW2

>>512469398
Why did you watermark this with backwards glowscript? I get more scared of you shadow types every day here I swear to gosh.

>>512469246
diddler donnie blocking countries from using swift if they disobey, but that's why less and less countries use swift now, along with a lot of zog controlled services, like gps, dollar, etc, keep in ming that if diddler donnie decides to shut down gps for your country then they can just shut it down, you have to either build your own satellite network or use china's one (beidou) if you don't want to be at the whims of a child rapist jew

>>512468723
>I had to pay
>Can someone explain how it works
Americans are so embarrassing

>>512469421
Oh like the 2019 tax cuts when everything got cheaper for 5 years

>>512468922
Fuck lettuce, it's nutritionally worthless.

>>512468902
The end result being that domestic products and production becomes more attractive

NY Post-The Department of Veterans Affairs revealed it is scrapping collective bargaining agreements for most of its unions in a bid to keep employees focused on their performance.

“Too often, unions that represent VA employees fight against the best interests of Veterans while protecting and rewarding bad workers,” VA Secretary Doug Collins said in a statement.

“We’re making sure VA resources and employees are singularly focused on the job we were sent here to do: providing top-notch care and service to those who wore the uniform.”

Last year, the VA had some 1,900 bargaining-unit employees who spent about 750,000 hours of their taxpayer-funded work time on union-related activities.

Termination of those union contracts for most units comes in response to President Trump’s executive order in March that moved to prohibit certain federal agencies from labor relations programs.

Back in 2016, the VA spent more than any other federal agency on taxpayer-funded union time — $49 million, according to US Office of Personnel Management data.--

Like public schools huh. Schools are union shops kids must attend by law to keep the union members employed to keep the union going. Why 69% of US students can't read at grade level. Union members would actually have to work in order to educate children. They are there strictly for the union, union pay, benefits and protections. Bust these evil public service unions and ban them forever.

>>512468922
Who’s gonna pick muh cotton?
Amirite?

>>512468315 (OP)
Americans are paying higher taxes as of midnight

>>512469919
Buy American, or American substitute
Problem solved.
If none are available, start a business to supply the need

>>512468315 (OP)
That's a kind of empty promise. People won't buy expensive imports and I'm betting that most companies would rather throw a tantrum and leave. They hate Americans. They want to kill Americans if they can't enslave them.

>>512468315 (OP)
I just noticed today that ribeye steak is $19.99 per lbs at the local supermarket.

>>512469714
in what time frame? you'd have to build supply lines from scratch, which would at least take 20 years, if we're being very nice, because in the last 8 years muttmerica has managed to create -5% of the supply lines they'd need, and of course you'd be giving free reign to china to do whatever they want while you're spending decades trying to build iron ore mines
but let's say that you got a magic wand from the sky jew and conjured supply lines and factories out of nothing tomorrow, then what? either wages will have to increase and product prices will increase, which means that nobody on earth will buy them, you'll just be locked behind an iron curtain with an isolated low production economy, or the dollar will get devalued to such a level that it's basically monopoly money and everyone will just start fleeing the country

>buy american

Kek why would anyone want the handywork of American poors? They are either going to be black and so will cut every corner going or fat whites with sweaty fat fingers who do a shoddy job inbetween their hits of crack or fentanyl. The world knows asian poors have the right skill and discipline to make high quality products so just stick with that.

>>512470083
>If none are available, start a business to supply the need
That's the thing though; the tariffs only get you half way to manufacturing coming back, if they aren't paired with government initiatives/funding to help people start new businesses then it's not going to work. And I don't see any anything but tariffs.

>>512468315 (OP)
>The billions are flowing in today thanks to The Donald's tariffs!

I'm pretty sure Trump is collapsing the economy on purpose. The only thing holding it up at the moment is the Stonk market, when that cracks it's over.

>>512468526
This, notice Israel is moving forward with a full invasion of Gaza.

OH SAY CAN YOU SHART
BY THE LOCAL WALMART

>>512468315 (OP)
Drumpf is taxing the rich and libshits are seething.

>>512470307
What kind of nigger buys imported steak?

>>512468922
Farms should use machines, not brown slaves.

>>512470562
>nigger
>rich white yuppys cumming their pants over ordering wagyu

>>512470513
>Drumpf is taxing the rich and libshits are seething.
LOL
He gave APPLE a complete exemption on importing chips, and their CEO is a fag.

>>512469166
2 more weeks buddy our 55 hour work week is going to really pay off now!!!

>>512468315 (OP)
Holy shit you guys, imagine how much more money we can give to Israel now!

>>512468315 (OP)
how does a fucking president not know how tariffs work.

>>512470777
this is also true, at the end of the day it'll be the same shit as last time, diddler donnie's friends will get exemptions from the tariffs, gain a massive market advantage and their competition will go bankrupt, prices go up because monopolies mean less competition, manufacturing still doesn't come back, but diddler donnie and his pedo friends will have thicker pockets, then mutts preach about other countries being corrupt lmao

>>512470984
We are turning into China, a command control economy. Treasury wants to absorb the FED or atleast control it, special carveouts for Big Globohomo corp. Mainstreet is getting crushed (Just look at all the job revisions down) and Stagflation is a very real threat, possibly already in affect but the Government no longer tells us the truth.

>>512468315 (OP)
People do understand that the United States is not dollar limited, right?

They make dollars -- they don't need to scavenge them from somewhere else. There are plenty of reasons, very good reasons, you would want a tariff regime to counter some of the effects of reserve currency status (the "Triffin dilemma"), but revenue is not one of them.

>>512470971
Intentional malicious deconstruction of the american dream. this has all been planned for decades ago

The goal of this is Trump wants production to move to the USA right? But he's deporting all the immigrants which I assume vacates a lot of jobs already. Currently there is roughly just 7.015million Americans unemployed and 4.35million classified as of working age but too disabled to work. So will less that 3 million people be able to cover the production needs that Trump is attempting to create with the tariffs? Doesn't seem to add up to me

>>512471088
lol you wish, what you're getting isn't a command control economy, it's a bunch of pedo jews in a basement racketeering and filling their pockets

>>512469248
His voters are as dumb as he thinks they are, which is the entire reason he ran as a republican.

>>512471214
(also considering a lot of that 3 million probably don't want to work or can't due to other circumstances such as addictions or caring for relatives)

>>512468315 (OP)
Yeah man.
They called and said not to worry about paying back loans or taxes.

>>512470971
Maybe he does know…

>>512468315 (OP)
The money goes straight to Epstein's clients.

>>512470971
He absolutely does know, it's just that the few people who still support him are dumb as fuck (which he also knows), so he just gaslights them like the natural jew he is.

>>512468315 (OP)

Joe Average paying more taxes....Trump will send money to Israel...normal procedure.

>>512471155
> you would want a tariff regime to counter some of the effects of reserve currency status (the "Triffin dilemma")
What happens when the restriction in the supply of dollars through trade deficits leads to a global liquiditiy crisis? I.E. Brent Johnson's "Dollar Milkshake Theory" dollar blow off top.
This is why BRICs is being established, as an offramp to a USD global shortage. Also a blow off top isn't healthy, as that's a hallmark of a steep downturn or a prolonged crisis for the mainstreet economy here at home.

so when do i see any of that money?
i can't afford groceries.

trump was elected by an overwhelming landslide in israel.

>>512468315 (OP)
awesome still cant afford groceries

>>512468315 (OP)
Your computer price status ? You are rich goy now pay up 5K$ for a gaming pc.

>>512469714
The item you are importing is the result of workers working for peanuts in horrible conditions.
How many Americans are ready to live such a life?
If Trump extracts enough wealth and makes you poor maybe...

>>512469514
It says YungFucBoi. It's some meme maker watermarking their meme with their online username. Why is that scary to you?

>>512468723
Mutts are so dumb.

>>512469076
It goes from the poor to the rich
And if you don’t like it you’re a gay commie Muslim trans

>>512469034
Tarifs are 3rd world tools designed to suck the blood of its citizens. And mutts cheered for them!!

>>512469076
Jewish tricks, the goyim is impoverished, trump says : Mission success (in Borat voice).

>>512471214
Your unemployment number is incorrect because you’re likely using U-6 as a metric.
Millions aren’t working that can, they just aren’t counted.
Look at the labor force participation rate.

>>512468315 (OP)
Will be interesting to see how much revenue they actually generate. inb4 balanced budget.

>>512471198
I believe you. What's the endgame? I'm currently leaning toward eventual noahide law. Seems to be either that or the q plan (lmao) as the only viable options left.

>>512471214
Wait till mutts find out how much those “illegals” were helping their economy make billions. It has been more than 3 decades that mutts did not have the necessary man power to fill up all the jobs they have. Now their economy will effectively shrink, AND THEY VOTED FOR THIS. Kek

>>512471855
Checked. It will all go to service the debt, so to the kikes.

>>512471899
>Wait until those mitts find out those slaves were making the economy billions! Fucking idiots need to pick their own cotton now! And get paid for it!

>>512468315 (OP)
Reminder that the 1930s is
US tariff regime literally contributed to pushing Japan into war btw

>>512471855
Tariffs suck. The losses they incur in capital gains and domestic income mean that each dollar taxed from a tariff is more like 75-80c.

The only way to pay down the debt is some form of austerity, which Republicans will never do because they only know spending more and cutting taxes. Which means hitting social security, medicare and medicaid, and the DoD

>>512471855
more money for israel yay!

>>512468315 (OP)
DT is a thief.

>>512472118
Save the spiel for when the numbers actually come out or else you may end up embarrassed.

>>512469811
collective bargaining should be outlawed completely.

>>512472132
he really is. everyone seems to have forgotten the massive insider trading scam that went on a few months ago when the tariff war started.
>i'm gonna impose huge tariffs
>stocks go down
>lol jk
>stocks go up
>*jewish hand rubbing*

>>512469714
The end result is more military equipment for Bibi's genocide.

>>512468723
>im not shipping until you reimburse me for the tariff
Fuck you nigger I'll buy a mexican

>>512472200
diddler donnie lies about numbers anyways but obviously there'll be less taxes to collect when factories are shutting down and people are getting fired, even if people start building factories for domestic production that won't happen tomorrow, or next year, or within 5 years

That self-proclaimed "land of the free" has 300 million guns, but no one points a gun at this clown. A bunch of cowards.

>>512471752
What number are you thinking for that because at best I've got it as 7.2 million which doesn't change my point a whole lot

>>512471214
He doesn’t give a fuck if production comes back to the us he cares about lining his and his pedo friends pockets giving all the rich kikes excuses to raise their prices and skim off the top of the tariffs. It’s by design that things are going to get more expensive he wants things to get passed onto the customer because that means more money for his pedo cabal.

there's no point in producing a good domestically that can be made cheaper abroad
you won't be able to export it anywhere and your own citizens, forced to buy it instead of the alternatives, will have less money to make other purchases, contracting the economy
domestic production is only valuable if you're exporting the product and bringing foreign money in
that's how america got rich after ww2 and it's how china got rich
otherwise you get a shit-tier north korean economy

Would have made sense if they also didn't have the need to import stuff from foreign countries to produce shit, desu.

>>512472200
I'll see if I can find it on scihub, but there are a few studies about tariffs in general that concluded that the money raised by tariffs is more like 70-80% because of the negative knock-on effects on the rest of the economy.

>>512472683
70-80% of what?

>>512468315 (OP)
Meanwhile citizens still poor poverty rate at its highest through all the wars bombings and raiding of the world the citizens reap zero benefit

>>512472596
That's one the most pernicious things. A lot of the companies that got hit the hardest because the tariffs were calculated on the basis of trade imbalances - which means that sources of cheap raw materials got hit the hardest, which only makes manufacturing more expensive. Tariffs that your competitors don't have to pay.

I want to say that, for example, the spicy sand you need to make chips is sourced from Indonesia. Indonesia isn't buying a ton of GM Trucks and GPUs to offset the exports of raw materials like spicy sand, like wood, etc. And guess who doesn't have to pay exorbitant tariffs? The Korean furniture and instrument makers, Taiwan, and so on.

>>512472717
nigger how is it so hard to understand what he's saying? he's just saying that the chill on the economy caused by tariffs will mean that taxes that were normally collected are reduced, so if you lose 20 billion in tax revenue because an economic slowdown due to tariffs then the 100 billion you collect in tariffs is more like 80 billion

>>512472374
Someone did, and the bullet missed him by 3 inches

God is protecting Trump because he wants to punish this land

>>512472472
Could be right but feel like you give his intelligence too much credit. Of course he's happy to make his kid fuckers richer but I think he genuinely thinks he's smarter than everyone else and he's seen a genius hack to make America great

>>512472995
>This dollar is now actually 80c because knock on effects
>Still more than the 0c if you just didn't have the tax

>>512472389
Between people on welfare etc, and those off books economically, I would say 20 million as guess.
The idea that Mexicans are a net positive is ridiculous. The use of resources is far greater than the work provided. They also suppress wages in fields like construction.
Beaners use the ER for a doctor’s visit.
Medical costs alone exceed their contribution.

>>512468315 (OP)
>The serfs cheer as their false king gets richer.
It's all going to Israel anyways, kek.

>>512472717
That for every dollar of tax revenue raised by a tariff, 20c-25c of tax revenue are lost elsewhere because of the negative downstream effects. So $1 in tariff revenue is really more like $0.80 because of the effects on payroll, capital gains, etc.

>>512473087
You could have just levied a less economically destructive kind of tax than a tariff.

>>512473087
imo the knock on effects will outweigh the amount collected THOUGH

>>512473105
Okay well I'm not really going off your guesses so from the figures I've seen its 7-8million max and then obviously with the people unable to work in that amount its much less.

>>512473185
Those knock on effects are apparently 20c in a dollar.

>>512468315 (OP)
I love when Trump announces the money countries are putting into his bank account

>>512473178
Name a less economically destructive tax that's not already taxed to fuck.

>>512473186
So if the government doesn’t provide a number, it’s not real…gotcha.

>>512468315 (OP)
Can I have some?

I voted for this, you homos!

>>512469421
Shit, we got Milei'd, didn't we

>>512473292
No. Money isnt real.
The list isnt real.
You are on the list.

>>512473249
that was just a point that the amerimutt anon was making, if you ask me then you're collecting 100 billion in tariffs to cause 200 billion worth of damage to the economy, it's not even worth it in the grand scheme of things, the only thing it accomplishes is moving money from the pocket of amerimutt middle class to the pockets of diddler donnie and his pedo buddies

>>512473287
Well no I did research and came up with a number that seemed consistent amongst the research I did, then did research on what you wanted me to consider which came up with a slightly larger but still relatively consistent number and then you said 'I guess more than double that' so at that point I'm just going to trust my research over trust me bro, I feel like thats fair?

>>512468922
Farmers can either pay reasonable wages, buy harvesting equipment, or do shit themselves. They claim to be hard workers, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

>>512470452
>if they aren't paired with government initiatives/funding to help people start new businesses then it's not going to work.
That's not quite right. 2 days ago I took a barstool next to a power couple that owned and operated a metal fabricating place. They had a couple lasers (for cutting up sheet sheel into parts), some presses (iirc), robotic welding, etc. standard company. 35 employees. They reported that they were totally slammed since January or so.

A company like that can grow, or it can spin off part of its operations, or it can create a satellite plant closer to its big customers. Growth doesn't have to be green field.

>>512473286
Well, if you want a consumption tax, VATs are fairer than tariffs.

>>512473408
>20c in a dollar lost to whatever
>80c actually collected in tax
>Somehow 20c is more than 80c...

>>512473484
okay you're just retarded, that's cool

>>512472118
> is some form of austerity,

unironically tariffs drive this too. By driving up prices on imported goods, they discourage consumption - but only on those imported goods.

>>512473156
Based Renneposter.

>>512469687
great for burgers and blts and tacos.

>>512473459
VAT is paid by you the consumer rather than manufacturers or retailers. It's "my product costs X and the tax is Y so I add X to Y in the price then give Y to the government".

>>512473560
Austerity should be the last resort, because it all-but guarantees a recession.

Oh it's midnight in America all right. Do you know where your rights are?

>>512470083
Just build an aluminum smelter bro.

Pay the tariff for Israels invasion of Gaza, chud.

>>512470397
Deck screws and caulk. We'll get it fixed. Nothing some drywall and mud can cover up.

>>512473635
Who do you think pays a tariff?

And critically, VATs don't entrench corruption and graft in terms of politically connected players getting captive markets or exemptions that their competition can't.

>>512468315 (OP)
Thank you mr. trump

>>512473790
Some by the consumer but also the retailers and manufacturers.

>>512473789
Next iphone is going to be amazing

>>512473408
Which will be aggravated by the inflation you caused by Tarifs. Eventually everything will get more expensive even things made at home.

>>512468315 (OP)
I am starting to hate the orange nigger

>>512468652
Stop buying dumb shit and you won’t have to worry about it. How often are you buying laptops? Any laptop from the last 5 years will do everything you could possibly need. You can probably buy one for $200 off Facebook marketplace. The tariffs have affected me exactly 0% since they started.

>>512473424
I think your number is incorrect, but your reasoning is fair.

>>512473956
thanks for the billions

>>512473646
In the conventional/Keynesian use of austerity, yes - cutting government spending would drop support of the economy. What is going on under Trump is something different, with the same hazards wrt recession, but not the same guaranteed outcome. Trump is discouraging consumption of imported consumer goods, but massively driving industrial investment. 'Austerity' is only in one place in the economy. Really the 'austerity' he is driving is helping prevent a massive wave of inflation due to the other investment.

Interest rate tweaks on top of this will help walk the line between inflation/deflation.

>>512469403
Normaly you redistribute from top to bottem but I guess in america its the other way around.

>>512469246
the problem is that supply chain and manufacturing take time to adapt, and some investments were already made.

But I think we are seeing the fall of the US right now.

>>512468315 (OP)
pedo dons rich friends have never been richer!

>>512469076
It's important to understand how things work.
Because we're the world reserve currency and most other countries use our dollarydoos for trade we print vast amounts of money to steal a little bit of value out of their economies. Then we spread this money to our own economy with wildly inefficient government programs like gibs programs, the industrial military complex, corruption and regular contracts.
The tariffs and taxes feed into this economic loop and perpetuate the cycle. Thus handing money to the government will eventually hand it back to us.
The lazy dumbasses going on about trickle down economics only ever managed to tap into the bottom of the barrel gibs programs and should be shunned for being knuckle dragging retards. They are poor of mind and deserve to be treated like shit.

>>512468315 (OP)
By tomorrow it will flow into israel

>>512474151
I am grateful you don't really how ineffectual these attacks are on Trump supporters, because if you did you would be pushing other, more effective, buttons.

>>512468315 (OP)
all that money going to the top 1% who already have infinite fuck you money....
WHOOOOO YEAHHHH THANKS TRUMP IM SO TIRED OF WINNING!!!! YEAHHHH THE RICH ELITE PEDOPHILES CAN RAPE A THOUSAND KIDS A DAY IN THERE FOURTH FIFTH SIXTH AND SEVENTH NEW MEGA MANSIONS!!!! YEAAAAHHHH USA USA USA USA

>>512474049
That capex isn't going to spent if tariffs change depend on what side of the bed Trump woke up on.

Congress should grow a pair and take the gun out of his hands. If we are going forward with tariffs, a legislative process is going to at least be predictable for businesses to adapt to.

>>512473084
He is a retard but he is an evil retard. Maybe he is delusional enough to believe his own bullshit but I really think it’s just he is an evil retard that has been corrupt all his life and that is how he wants to run the country as an evil corrupt retard. Bad people are typically stupid

>>512471214
>The goal of this is Trump wants production to move to the USA right?
Yes, but I really don't understand how it will work?
-Complex manufacturing requires many materials and machines, and it's not possible to have everything domestically. So tariffs will impact your initial cost and make your manufacturing less competitive on the international level.

-You will artificial compete on a "easier" domestic market. Your manufacturing will be less competitive than international one. So, you will increase US share in domestic market, but decrease it on international market.

In fine, will weaken the US manufacturing.
Where am I wrong?

ITS 2AM
THE FEAR IS GONE
IM SITTIN HERE WAITING
THE FORKLIFT'S STILL WARM
MAYBE MY IMPORTER IS TIIIIRED OF PAYING TAXES

>>512474554
Deport spics ---> Housing boom
Tariff----> raise the price of labor----> AI boom
----> factory boom----> TND

>>512474554
Don't think you're wrong, think this is the very obvious flaw in electing the populist candidate. They think in slogans and ideals and forget the practicalities. Like Farage with Brexit, leave Europe be independent, great idea. Forgetting that Britain is a shit little island that relies on trade and can't defend its self in the modern era.

>>512474179
>a 50% price increase on everything is good actually because government will use that money to charge up Tyrone's EBT card
ok schlomo

>>512474554
its not about strengthening US manufacturing, its about taxing citizens to fund Israel

>>512474426
>a legislative process is going to at least be predictable for businesses to adapt to.

That's the best part - the unpredictability. The only predictable solution is to relocate production domestically. Trump team knows this. Tariffs are supposed to be a giant pain in the ass. The only way to win the game is not to play.

>>512474283
it's fairly obvious retards are going to stay retarded, if you're enough of a dumb nigger to support a pedophile elitist like trump, then you do you I don't really give a flying fuck either way.

>>512474722
>AI boom
lol
I like AI... but multi-trillion market cap? No way.
The only thing that gonna boom it the AI bubble.

>>512474722
How do tariffs raise the price of labor?
MAGAnon are such retards

>>512471487
How can you have a liquidity crisis? Money is created out of nothing. It is not a limited resource. Most every government in the world, with a few minor exceptions, can always afford to purchase anything priced for sale in its own currency.

>>512468723
kill all migamutts

>>512468723
Shifting focus of what it costs to buy overseas shit. As if 1920’s America was maoism, as if the Monroe doctrine was Maoism.

I really do not understand why people think him not chokeslamming the dollar by applying tariffs is all he can do at this point. He’s intentionally devaluing the dollar to keep the fed from regaining control over it, and he’s trying to get the fed to admit that we’re in a stagnated depression so he can advise them to hyperinflate the dollar.


Pretty obvious at this point what he’s doing. When the dollar dies, immigrants will stop coming to America, and will begin to leave enmasse if they can. They’ll be deported enmasse if not. Suddenly the US doesn’t have bases all over the planet.

Funny how that happens. It’s almost like Trump is infact an isolationist and will even allow you to smear what he’s doing with maoism if it means that the left cannot argue against it. Disarming their ability to shadow genocide the US.


Interesting.
Still, where’s the fucking list?
Also
Tap tap tap.

>>512474817
lol. you thin skinned fool. fuck off to whatever reddit like hole you slithered out of.

>>512474839
Supply and demand I assume. Like I've pointed out above USA isn't actually in need of that many jobs, certainly not base level manufacturing jobs. So if you want to move manufacturing to the USA instead of asia those jobs are no competing with retard jobs like the service industry and utilities creating a climate where the worker can ask for more money from each sector and get better pay

>>512474840
This, just buy USD from North Korea. They have a massive counterfeiting operation that's so good they spell corrected a word on the dollar which is the only reason anyone knows it exists

>>512468315 (OP)
And yet the debt clock keeps cranking away. You give a retard a credit card and the stupidity never ends.

>>512469714
You and I both know that's not going to happen.

>>512474968
sneed

>>512469110
>He knows damn well that Americans are the ones who pay these tariffs, so he's lying when he says that the money is "flowing in" to this country.
>He knows
What if he doesn't? What if he genuinely retarded?

>>512474984
Tariffs might raise the price of goods, but not labor. How does a US tax increase Chinese labor costs? You are also a retard.

>>512469714
>The end result being that domestic products and production becomes more attractive

this.
comparative advantage is not sound economic theory

>>512469110
Why would Americans pay tariffs? They are a tax on FOREIGN goods. You are a retard.

>>512468315 (OP)
>americans when they get taxed but by red team

>>512471253
So much this
Democrats cant be fooled by their politicians
They have to go republican if they want to grift

>>512475126
Also trump is trying to move us into a strategic/war economy

This is called foreshadowing.

>>512475172
>Why would Americans pay tariffs? They are a tax on FOREIGN goods. You are a retard.

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SAYS THE TRUTH.
when you buy something foreign, the tariff makes the item more expensive. but its not YOU paying it, its the person selling it. they just have to eat the loss. its a massive IQ play by Trump

>>512475117
I mean the goal isn't to continue importing Chinese goods right? Isn't the rhetoric to move production the states and so, retard, go back and read what I said.

>>512474941
>Still, where’s the fucking list?
Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Les Wexner. Have at em chief.

>>512475096
>What if he doesn't? What if he genuinely retarded?
He's had these idiosyncratic beliefs about trade since the 80s. It's very consistent on his part. The only reason we didn't get something like this in the first term is Chamber of Commerce Republicans wresting the gun out of his hands or making sure certain things never got to his desk.

>>512468315 (OP)
LOWER THE GAS PRICE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>512468315 (OP)
>tariffs
Isn’t that money already in the US? It’s pretty much a tax on consumers so the government is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Am I missing something?

>>512475117
Tariffs do raise the price of labor in the price of finished goods if it results in relocating production domestically. It results in more expensive (US) labor being used, and the price of that labor will rise as there is more demand for it. MAGA!

>>512468315 (OP)
trillions lost
>here comes the billions

>>512473986
>force yourself into austerity bro, the party needs it. buy a 6 year old laptop and play cs 1.4 with my russian friends.

>>512474354
these people are dumb as shit. they are making themselves poorer while trump picks winners

USA is in 2025, a genocidal banna republic geronto-oligarchic state, occupied and blackmailed ZOG

the GOP is unamerican now. USA is dead. its a zombie fraud. RIP 1776-2016

>>512475117
>thinks i'm talking about chinese labor
the nerve of a dumb dumb like you calling anybody retard

>>512468315 (OP)
> billions

cool, now pay the 37 trillion dollar debt.

>>512475367
MIGA***
ftfy

>>512475298
I did, you are a retard. Why would you think a US tariff would raise Chinese labor costs? It makes no sense. Please go be retard somewhere else.

>>512475398
>trillions lost
>here comes the billions

It's OK Dude, that's what Bidenomics did for all the jobs lost during Covid. You're not a partisan, single-party voter are you??

>>512475398
Been dead a lot longer than that.

>>512468723
Lmfao

>>512475285
Yup. There's a reason Trump and Putin both seem to want Uranium especially.
Look at the territory Putin wants to keep, and note Trump's focus on the "mineral" deal with the kike in Keeeev. It includes uranium. Greenland has tremendous uranium deposits, too.
I don't think it's nuclear war for us, I unironically think they're going to do an "alien invasion"

>>512475293
so it's the American retailer paying the tariff. Still a far cry from what pedo don claims

>>512475293
>but its not YOU paying it, its the person selling it.
the importer is responsible for actually paying the tariff

1. the importer could negotiate lower prices with the exporter to make up for the tariff. this doesn't always happen
2. the importer can eat the tariff out of their profit margin. this rarely happens.
3. the importer can pass on the tariff to the consumer by raising prices. this usually happens

econ studies have shown that a majority (but not all) of the burden of a tariff is passed on to the end consumer but the total burden is borne by all parties to the transaction in varying degrees. the exact outcome is highly specific to each individual import/export agreement. but on average, the consumer has been shown to get the shortest end of the stick.

this is a complicated topic and anyone claiming that any single party wholly eats the cost of the tariff is wrong by definition.

>>512475367
No, Tariffs do not increase the price of labor. If Trump put a 10000000% tariff on something and it was produce domestically then local workers would not be paid more. You are a retard.

>>512475429
>37 trillion dollar debt.
Its a lot bigger than that. The us government uses mostly cash based accounting, not accrual. They are not counting all the massive spending obligations going forward. The debt is actually something like $137T (I forget the number).

>>512475269
Democrats are way more likely to actually get upset at their politicans for not holding their promises unlike Republicans who constantly make excuses for them, especially when it comes to objects of their worship like Reagan and Trump.

>>512468315 (OP)
Cool. The jobs market is still ass.

>>512474016
Those billions are coming from your own pockets you retarded goyim

>>512469714
Actually it just means companies move out of the US....

>>512475413
I never even replied to you. Go be stupid somewhere else

>>512475045
The debt has to exist. Money has an origin point from which it is created. By the logic of double entry book keeping, every asset is also a liability. The debt is not something to worry about.

If it bothers people so much they can't think straight -- then just bring the interest rate below the growth rate (since the central bank is a monopoly, it can set the interest rate wherever it wants) or start running a trade surplus with foreign nations so that they are the ones in deficit.

But the "national debt" is not an actual problem. It is how the government injects money into the economy so the private sector (which includes you) can generate a surplus.

>>512475704
>leftoid proves he does not understand economics
lemme guess you are a communist?

>>512475703
>econ studies

yeah opinion disregarded. get your liberal studies out of here. everyone is richer now thanks to the tariffs. trust Trump.

>>512468315 (OP)
cool! any word on the release of the epstein files?

>>512475829
>dumb dumb fulfills his namesake
see here dumb dumb
>>512474839

>>512475704
nope. you are the retard, retard.

Labor responds to supply and demand. Moving production domestically means more domestic workers, which means higher wages due to competition for labor, which means a higher price for labor.

>>512475841
Let me guess you are a retard. How does an increased tax on foreign goods increase domestic labor costs?

>>512468844
My only sin left is my yielding anger towards Jews/Jeets. It's so hard and I fail everyday.

>>512475293
Tariffs are a tax on the importer, yes. That importer can go to his supplier and try to negotiate a lower price. The importer can reduce his margin. Or the importer can pass the cost onto the consumer. Or a combination of these things in whatever proportion.

>>512475293
>when you buy something foreign, the tariff makes the item more expensive. but its not YOU paying it, its the person selling it.
If the tariff makes the item more expensive for me, then that means I'm the one paying it.
How the fuck do you not get this?

>>512468723
United States fears BRICS.

>>512474840
>How can you have a liquidity crisis? Money is created out of nothing. It is not a limited resource.

That's the key misunderstanding, money is created from the expansion of debt, and that debt has interest.
The system always wants to collapse into deflation. So you must expand the money supply to meet debt + interest caused deflation, but as these numbers get bigger these gyrations and crises require more and more debt/credit based "bandaids"..until the next contraction, more QE, more stimulus, more debt until the system becomes too unstable to patch.

>>512475991
What would be the point of explaining supply and demand to you again?

Probably this has been explained to you 1000 or 10,000 times by now. Yet here you are as a communist moron with the name as "dumb dumb"

>>512475910
Yes I was asking you how domestic labor costs rise. You still haven't answered that btw.
The stupid UK thought it would increase costs for Chinese workers. Which I then mocked him for being stupid as well.
Two completely different reply threads, retard

>>512476054
Paying interest is a policy choice. The government does not borrow money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pex89N9Oqog

>>512475730
but anon! without the Mexican slave labor, the Jewish print infinite money trick will surely work!

1 trillion equals = one billion billions! Now pay off a House.

We are the greatest "Empire" /power the world has ever seen! surely we are not being taken for a ride, we will never fall, we are 80% white and not a zoo full of niggers and minorities, and US citizenship is in every way an advantage, not a liability. we are rich, and they can't touch us, not even threaten us!

>>512475869
this

>>512476126
>completely different reply threads
look here dumb dumb:
>>512474839
>>512474984
>>512475117

These three replies are in a line, The UK guy is speculating on my post and you are replying to him questioning him about the content of my post.

This entire conversation is a waste of time because you are just a shrieking retard who didn't take enough meds

>>512475869
You'll get ur Epsteinbucks soon anon dont worry.

>>512475989
>Muh supply and demand
Moving ALL US company manufacturing domestically would increase the number manufacturing jobs by less than 10%. The forcing of that little increase would hardly change labor costs at all. Manufacturing in the US is highly automated. You are still retarded and ignorant of economic theory as well.

>>512475989
the hell it does faggot. those 12 cents take years to reach your pocket in a non pozzed society. even your great granddaddy wasn't this much of a dipshit.

>>512476088
Yeah let's just bring all the manufacturing back home and cut ties with the rest of the world. The classic North Korea strategy and we all know how well it worked out for them.
We're fucked and we're never getting the wealth and prosperity that we had in the 20th century back. It's over.

>>512468922
Go back to hiring teenagers. We don't need mega farms. My own tomatoes tasting so good reminds me how poisoned our food is.

>>512476319
Not my problem you have no reading comprehension. Go back to your home nation and learn ESL properly this time.

>>512471214
US laborforce participation rate is 62%, out of 212 million working age people that means 80 million unemployed people.

This is all so fantastic. The /leftpol/ commie type is watching the right implement a shift of wealth into the pockets of workers though political and economic tools. We (the right) are drinking their milkshake. They are so economically and politically clueless they are loosing their fucking minds - and they can't understand what they are looking at beyond ORANGE MAN BAD. But this is great! Let them continue to spit hate and miss out on this.

>>512476390
How will they pay the tariffs if we cut ties with them?

>>512476274
It's so weird to see American conservatives constantly get so shrill about money printing and screaming "jew jew jew" at it, when the foundations of MMT type thinking are as far from jewish as it gets (German and Japanese).

I guess the blame has to be put on the weirdo anti-Soviet Reaganite brainrot leftover from the 80s.

>>512476429
Nothing is your problem except that you are a retarded communist mental case

>>512476451
>shift of wealth into the pockets of workers.
You misspelled giant capitalist owners anon, the workers cant even get a job let alone get paid lmao

I think what will be the funniest part about tariffs, is that not only is the cost of goods going up, but since fed interest rates are going down, we won't be able to lower income tax lol. So we have to pay income tax, we have to pay for increased cost of goods and living, unironically not even Kamala would have fucked it this hard. What an embarrassing president.

>>512476518
>retard, starts chant MIGA
You fell for it again, retard. Go suck some kike cock.

>>512476569
But anon, in 50 years America will be awesome to live in for all the shitskins and kikes! Thank you for your sacrifice!

>>512476198
>The government does not borrow money.

If issuing interest bearing instruments to raise funds from the public and foreign nations isn’t borrowing, then what is it?

>>512476655
Let the cope and seethe begin

>>512475866
>get your liberal studies out of here
Yea, this is a problem. But most of what I said isn't based on studies. It's common sense and how businesses actually operate. The exact distribution of the tariff burden would require an appropriate representative sample of underlying businesses and can easily be fudged to get a desired result. And I don't trust that libshart economists haven't done that.

But in terms of who pays tariff: importer, and who can bear the final burden of that tariff (exporter, importer, consumer) that's all accurate.

>>512476469
If I'm paying more for foreign goods, then I'm paying the tariffs.
Putting ourselves behind our own version of the Iron Curtain is not going to make us wealthy again, it's just going to tumble us even further into third world status but whatever. Retards need to learn the hard way I guess.

>>512476569
Why would the interest rates have anything to do with tax rates?

>>512476699
>Doesn't deny being a kike supporter or deep throating rabbi cock.
No matter what you say, doesn't change the fact you voted for a pedophile president.

>>512470373
>iron curtain, low production, everybody leaves
Please, God. Please make them all go away and take their spite with them.

>>512476451
Nigger, there is no split into the pockets of workers. The raising of cost of company goods if anything actually means less jobs available except for companies that are at the top of the game (as per usual). You have unironically lowered the value of the dollar in this process, made it so megacorps win harder, and smaller businesses get raped and actually close up job openings, and since competition for mega corps is already peak, it will not be going back into workers pockets, it will be redistributed into the economy through institutional investors.

>>512476709
If interest rates on our debt don't go down, how would we be able to save any money on our debt? 1.3 Trillion dollars from interest alone has to be paid this year.

>>512476342
>Moving ALL US company manufacturing domestically would increase the number manufacturing jobs by less than 10%.

You are not right on this. The US does manufacture a great deal of stuff, but the stuff that it manufactures is things like petrochemicals and foodstufs - places where you can do a lot of automation.

IPhones, for example, are not that kind of labor. Its a lot of manual work to assemble. In labor intensity the things that need production reshoring will require a higher amount of labor to do . Robots aren't magic, and the tech isn't there to staff an iphone plant with tesla robots - they don't have the dexterity or adaptability of humans even on their limited production tasks.

Basically bringing that kind of production back is going to result in greater labor demands - there is no other solution short term.

>>512468315 (OP)
The Left is seething over this. They're incapable of understanding basic economics and lack the cognitive processing capability to grasp the power of the almighty American tariff, this secret wunderwaffe in our tool bag that's remained dormant for decades.

>>512476705
we had this conversation 10 years ago, and the tariffs worked just fine. All the doomsaying of television screechers didn't come true.

>>512476868
>but what about these things I made up!
>I'm holding you to them!
That is the definition of cope

>>512475544
Why would you read that and think I said anything about Chinese labour costs. Do you have Downs Syndrome?

>>512468315 (OP)
i don't understand why trump hate normal Americans? why didn't he say you only get 800 dollars of no taxes on things you import, it's tied to your id number. This is only for people and not companies. it feels jewish that middle men who know how to gain the system to lower tariffs by shipping in bulk to get thins in the us at lower price, but a normal citizen order something not from these big guys you get fucked by tariffs.

>>512476675
>raise funds from the public
Huh? Why on earth would the government EVER need to raise funds from the public? It creates the money. How can it borrow its own currency? The public doesn't even have it until the government spends it into existence first.

Did you even watch the video? Did you listen to the explanation? Selling bonds is NOT a borrowing operation. It is a part of monetary policy to hit an interest rate target.

The moment the government spends to a deficit, by identity it has already created an amount of bank reserves equal to that deficit. They already exist. The government spent them into existence. But if reserves accumulate within the banking system, what happens to the interest rate? It gets driven down, potentially to zero. So bonds are sold to drain reserves. And bonds are also purchased to add reserves back to the banking system.

Of course, the central bank is a monopoly so it can set the interest rate wherever it wants.

>>512468315 (OP)
>Billions of dollars in tariffs flowing in from American's wallets.

This orange prick from hell.

>>512476930
Everything can be automated. Yes even iPhones. They are currently manually made because it's cheaper to employ 10,000 bugmen then buy one assembling machine.

>>512477015
Why would I think anything else? You tax a foreign company, why would it have any effect on domestic labor. I'm not sure why you think a tax on a foreign company would increase their own labor costs either but that's what you were implying. This is why you are a retard.

>>512477039
It's a shift towards a more command and control economy. Mainstreet is about to get hammered, but this will allow mega-corps to seize the opportunity to become bigger monopolies. They get special exceptions and carveouts.
In my opinion, the only thing holding up the economy as of right now is the Stock market, and that's still pricing in a "Soft landing". Volatility is starting to increase with more and more negative revisions of made up data.

>>512476906
>If interest rates on our debt don't go down, how would we be able to save any money on our debt? 1.3 Trillion dollars from interest alone has to be paid this year.
I don't understand what this has to do with tax rates, I'm sorry.

But if you don't want to pay interest on the "debt" (which the government can ALWAYS afford to do because all of the debt is denominated in dollars of which the United States has a theoretically unlimited supply of), then don't pay interest on the debt.

There is no law of accounting that requires the US to pay this interest. Now they agreed to do it and they should honor existing agreements, but the US doesn't need to pay interest on its "debt". It doesn't need to sell bonds. Stop and think for 2 seconds.

>>512470971
Come on, leaf. You honestly think he doesn't know?

>>512477204
Oh okay you are just a retard, you don't tax the foreign company you tax the person importing the product from a foreign company. Hope that helps

>>512468315 (OP)
when does my rent go down and health care become affordable?

>>512468526
this poojeet is right

>>512477048
Yeah the Chinese tried to infinity print money on the first currency. It didn't turn out well for them.

https://medium.com/@funhistory/the-paper-chase-when-china-invented-money-and-accidentally-invented-inflation-5d1fc955b271

>>512477068
How does that help the American people in any way at all?

>>512468723
maga is stupid we all know this but what about your people eating cow shit and drinking cow piss

>>512468922
>>512469687
>>512473619
>>512469821
>>512470621
>>512473443
>>512476415
your wrong trump already said he is giving farm workers amnesty as a work program.

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1952724311502184676#m

>>512476906
Small companies benefit from tariffs the most, they are more flexible. You can literally start making a tariffed product in your garage today if you like and in doing so benefit from tariffs and create a new job. Tons of small businesses that operate like this that see the benefits of tariffs, especially since domestic demand rises with them and small businesses are the most demand capped, a guy who runs a shop with 2 guys in one shift can instantly triple production by hiring 6 more guys and starting a 3 shift production schedule if they just had the extra orders. A big company that has already optimized it's factories and runs 24/7 can't do that.

>>512477345
Stop sending money to enemy nations for one.
Also stop relying on products made by an enemy nation.
Try to keep up, retard.

>>512473986
I bet you're also the type to tell someone to shop at the supermarket instead of eating out when they complain about inflation.
As if inflation didn't also affect supermarket prices.

>>512477258
???

If we don't pay the interest on our debt, we will lose all foreign investment and it will significantly crash our economy and set precedent for China to take a huge portion of global economic control without a GDP miracle. That also turn the US Dollar into monopoly money, and that would overnight cause medicare, medicaid, social security, etc. to all get gutted severely instead of an ease off of those programs.

>>512476906
>Nigger, there is no split into the pockets of workers

I think you are confused by the scale of things. $1M is not a lot of money. I think you think a megacorp has capital in play of a million or so. I think you think a 'small business' is one of the amazon companies importing shit from china and reselling it. I don't think you actually understand manufacturing or production at all. I think your level of understanding of the industrial and business arts makes you view the world as you do.

I agree that one side effect of tariffs is to drop the value of the dollar though. I recognize that this would hurt the small businesses that exist on importing chinese shit and reselling it for 2x or 3x. One other side effect of a cheaper dollar is to increase the competitiveness of us producers in the global economy.

>>512477003
We didn't have a fraction of the tariffs being placed now

>>512477345
It doesn't. If you haven't noticed, America is a corrupt kleptocracy in decline, currently implementing what >>512477219 said. Only things that benefit elites in America get implemented. Benefiting the people is always secondary, if it's even taken into account at all

>>512477481
Both those things benefit a government not the people.

Ah its the retard guy again, should have known by the really bad idea.

>>512477294
Still haven't answered my question why you think Chinese labor costs would go up. Until you do, no more (You)s for you.

>>512477342
The possibility of inflation when money creation outstrips production is a separate issue from bonds not being a borrowing operation.

Were the ones paying this at the store and they turn around and give the money to israel everyone understands this is theft right

>>512477048
Calling Treasuries a “monetary policy tool” doesn’t erase the fact that they’re interest bearing IOUs held by real creditors who expect repayment. That’s borrowing no matter how you dress it up in balance sheet language. You're trying to reframe the act of issuing debt as some sterile reserve-management exercise but in doing so, you’ve just admitted the government ,Issues securities to the public ,Pays interest on them,Services them over time ,Rolls them over at maturity
That’s the literal definition of borrowing.

You can’t say “the government creates money, so it doesn’t need to borrow,” and then turn around and justify the existence of a $34 trillion debt market by calling it “just a policy tool.”
You're twisting logic in a circle

>>512477575
I did answer when I said I didn't say I think chinese labour costs would go up. Please keep up

>>512477068
>Everything can be automated. Yes even iPhones.

I'm not going to argue that exactly - I don't like saying that something is impossible. What would happen is that the design of IPhones would be changed to be more easily assembled by machine. Design for manufacture would shift the design based on the cost of US labor.

>>512477508
If you want to pay interest on the debt, then keep paying interest on the debt. You seem to think it's a good policy, other people seem to think it's a good policy. So keep doing it! But it's a policy choice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-1eTl6J0g

>>512477048
>Did you even watch the video?
Yea this video is fucking retarded and one of the worst explanations of monetary policy I have ever heard. He is conflating what the Fed does and what the Treasury does.

The government, i.e. The Treasury, definitely borrows. They don't HAVE to and could just "print" money and inflate away the deficit, but that's not the choice being made.

You can't explain govt borrowing and monetary policy in the US without differentiating b/w Congress + Treasury and the Fed. This guy doesn't do that, so his lecture is nonsensical.
>t. Econ Degree

>>512477604
They're just trying to loot the treasury and the American people for as much as they can before the collapse of the American empire

>>512477420
They don't though, unless your small company is crazy automated and doesn't rely on any foreign export whatsoever, or your so small it doesn't matter because you as an individual soak up all the labor cost, there's no way you hit scale. Whether it's clothing, steel, whatever. Unless it's tech, you're going to get out competed simply on resource availability alone.

>>512477052
like you were going to save your money for the rat race you fat fuck.

what were you gonna do with money and power? Go to Epstein Island? LMAO shut up cuck.

>>512469034
>out of citizens' pockets
Nah, it's mostly illegals or other ne'rdo-wells importing shit from their shit holes they left.

It's retarded though when we could just tax remittances to other countries and specifically target fuckers sending money back home. They quickly fuck off when they can no longer send money home for a couple percent loss.

>>512477851
Most retarded take I've seen all thread congrats

>>512477616
Yes, the government is paying interest. It's a policy choice. Maybe they should keep doing because pension funds like bonds and other big investors like bonds. Why wouldn't institutional investors like a guaranteed risk-free return?

But again -- there is no actual law of accounting or natural law that requires this process to take place. It is a self-imposed restraint, and if I was conspiratorial, I might say it looks like it was put in place to guarantee returns to the already wealthy.

>>512469403
>Oh redistribution of wealth, that's socialism
It's only socialist if the money flows down the pyramid.
It's OK and totally not socialist if it flows upwards.

>>512477767
Take your meds you fat broke ass cultist.

Well, since amerucans refuse to attack Iran and Houthis it only serves them right to pay for israel to do the dirty work for them.
Being americas proxy is hard and hazardous work. :^)

>>512477675
>>512477068

I don't know if its legal, but I would like to learn how to make/assemble and iPhone from scratch, or near scratch.

I think all people have a responsibility to be educated enough to keep up with our society and contribute to Space exploration and one's own evolution of the family bloodline brain.

it would only hurt Jewish pockets, I am not making crystal meth or weapons here.

>>512477698
Yes, the Treasury cannot "overdraft" its account at the Federal Reserve. But when the Fed holds a bond and receives interest from that bond, what does the Fed do with that money? It remits it back to the Treasury, minus expenses. So the Fed is very clearly a part of the government structure and is subordinate to the Treasury despite conspiracy theories.

>>512477767
Hmmm maybe people would like a bit of money in their pocket so they can buy a house and raise a family and experience some fulfillment in life instead of being miserable lonely poor faggots until they die

>>512477512
I'm not confused at all, you do realize imports are more than just shit for amazon from china, right? We're talking steel, iron, copper, magnesium, spices, bananas, etc. to suggest this is simply a lens through the idea that is the only thing affected by tariffs is incredibly short sighted, and I would say you're the one that doesn't understand manufacturing.

Regardless of that, the US already produces and manufacturers more than we ever have in history, this boogieman that we're not producing is complete horseshit as well. A cheaper dollar will not increase competition domestically either, if you are suggesting that people who already don't want to work farming jobs and factory jobs would magically decide to go do that today, you're out of your mind. In fact, we would rather stomach that cost for no reason than bend the knee on the issue. Even the Mexicans don't go to the Midwest to farm anymore because it's not enough pay for the labor.

>>512477741
Literally just described how a small business can triple in size overnight. I have no idea what you are even trying to say. Tariffs are a net benefit to all domestic companies but especially the small ones.

Imagine having a fat orange man bend you, your family and your friends over and fuck you in the ass while some ugly jews watch and cheer and you turn around to the people telling you to fight back and call them retards. Unbelievable.

>>512478023
you're all jelly of the cunny that was had. either that, or you're ALL Gay.

>>512468315 (OP)
Cope and seethe libtard.

>>512478174
The MIGA mind disease is nothing short of a mental illness at this point. Future generations should study this phenomenon

>>512471214
>The goal of this is Trump wants production to move to the USA right?
Depends what day of the week it is.

>>512477696
It's literally not a choice, this is economic reality for you unless you want America to be known as the country that is going to start forcing people to invest with the barrel of a gun pointed at them. The schizo in your video is retarded.

>>512478118
>Companies magically triple in size overnight because they get outcompeted by big corporations that can afford to out scale them.

Uhhhh... I think you need to study economics if you think the mom and pop shops are the ones that win with Tariffs.

>>512468723
I’m conflicted. I fucking hate miggers, but I also fucking hate Indians.

>>512470452
That would be communism. Actually investing in operations and automation research to make our manufacturing competitive would be libtarded anon.

>>512475703
yeah dude im sure that bandai is going to negotiate a deal with me so that i dont have to pay tariffs on the gundam figure i order from japan lol

>>512478303
Removing foreign trade barriers is largely equivalent to putting up tariffs of your own. It's in fact both true that tariffs benefit the economy by creating jobs and that removing tariffs in exchange of economic concessions also benefits the economy and adds jobs (also known as art of the deal).

>>512478360
You "cleverly" switched your framing just now. It costs significantly less time and money to hire new people to run a machine that's underutilized than it is to add new factories, that means small business take the best advantage of new orders on a short time scale. The point is that small companies are more flexible and can more easily adjust their production than a large company can which means they benefit more from tariffs specifically. Obviously largely companies will also eventually adjust and increase domestic production and obviously they will eventually again just win but that doesn't mean tariffs weren't good for the small businesses. If big companies scale their domestic manufacturing that also creates jobs which is also good for the economy.

>>512478082
a vacation so you can cuck in some other country's restaurants is the stupidest way to piss away your money.

muh family, you do not deserve in any way to earn any money. I hope you raise faggots who will troon and have orgies first thing they do with your inheritance. I hope they do. because that's what happens.

>>512478249
The only lesson to take away is that we need to start sterilizing anyone with a double digit IQ before the onset of puberty to remove such retards from the genepool

>>512476000
did you ever consider millions of people order products from overseas every day? these people arent business owners they're just regular people ordering kitchen cutlery or shoes or games or electronics etc

>>512478695
I think a lot of you have spent so many years buried in 4chan you've forgotten how to speak English.

>so you can cuck in some other country's restaurants

Wtf does that even mean? Is it an attempt at English?

>>512478360
>It's literally not a choice, this is economic reality for you unless you want America to be known as the country that is going to start forcing people to invest with the barrel of a gun pointed at them. The schizo in your video is retarded.
The point that is being made is that you don't actually need people to invest in your country because you physically, literally need the money. You don't. The government can always afford anything price for sale in its own currency.

You might need them to invest because they have specialized knowledge or resources you don't have. That's certainly a possibility. But when the government "sells bonds", it doesn't accept yen, yuan, rubles, etc. as payment. The only thing it accepts is its own debt (currency). In order to buy bonds these countries, banks, individuals, whatever, need to have US dollars first (which the government creates as debt through the logic of double entry bookkeeping).

The worst outcome would be Democrats deciding "actually, we like tariffs too" and we're stuck with this bullshit forever like Brazilians are. It's like they're making a competitor to the PS5 in Sampa these days.

>>512474741
I just wish we had competent technical people in charge that didn't want to effectively genocide our ethnicities.

>>512477420
many domestic companies were forced to shut down due to the retard tariffs. and implying you can just manufacture shit in your garage is fucking hilarious. if it were that easy, people would have already been doing that.

>>512478659
Nigga, my framing has remained the same. Do you really think mom and pop shops, with Tariffs are going to outbid a fucking giga corp with bajillions of dollar in revenue? You're a complete fucking retard if you actually think that. Like if it really came down to it, and a company wanted to muscle up with the US, you realize the fictitious workers in your previous example, would be absolutely gobbled by the big corp first off, second off, your mom and pop stores gonna be out competed on resources alone, not even factoring in scalability.

So no, this hypothetical you're suggesting will not be common place, and the big corporation will still win. If anything, access to foreign resources is one of the only ways smaller companies can actually compete in the US.

Now as for the big company winning in the US, the goal isn't to create more low paying jobs in the US, which is what these jobs will be. They will be manual labor jobs, that American society has moved well past, which will barely do SHIT to the economy. Like I said before, we already produce a bunch of shit, we don't need niggas making T-shirts out here in the US lol. Like, that's the amazing grow US business plan, is making 17 year olds work for $7 an hour making fucking tapestries in a factory here? Great idea, retard.

>>512479066
Essentially this is why we NEED the American people to demand the real Epstein client list. The political elite would be decimated and we could start afresh with people who want to do good and not just take jew cash and do what their told by people who have evidence that you fuck kids.

>>512478813
to cuck yourself out of something is verb, implying you do not allow yourself say cunny for example having money, but spend it on muh Disneyland vacation in Germany instead.

I thought from the context of the replies it was pretty straightforward. then again I've been studying German and Russian I forgot some people have a low IQ and do not like listening or being confronted with the truth. You deaf too? or just the Americans?

>>512479111
but if we have americans sewing soccer balls all day while making minimum wage, we win our imaginary war against china!

t. trumptard

>>512479357
>minimum wage

Fucking hell you're doubling the price of balls

>>512479111
>Nigga, my framing has remained the same
Then you lost your argument because tariffs specifically benefit small businesses the most. You are simply wrong on this. I don't know why you keep posting if this is your actual argument.

> with Tariffs are going to outbid a fucking giga corp with bajillions of dollar in revenue?
They don't need to, they need to be more flexible to adjust to new situation, that is a natural advantage they get in exchange for lacking economies of scale.

>which will barely do SHIT to the economy
All jobs are net benefit to the economy. If you have excess low skilled workers then they will bleed into mid skilled professions and lower their wages which then bleeds into high skilled professions and lowers their wages. If you add more jobs at the bottom it raises everyone wages. Doing a job is in fact more beneficial to the economy than being unemployed. You are literally arguing that jobs are bad for the economy for fucks sake.

>>512479260
I guess I type like I talk. like I think in this instance. I do not stop myself and edit word choice, or some other self censoring dumb shit to achieve correct grammar.

jumping from idea to idea, lest I forget, is not schizophrenia, its called being smarter.
would you be happier if there were some gold/gem missing? fuck you, you heard it.

>>512478901
Yes, the US can do that, like 1 time. And then after that, literally no country on the planet will want to work with us and it will cause a global deterioration in image, and a domestic deterioration in trust. These issues are far more complicated than you realize.