Thread 512468606

Why are Conservatives violently opposed to Clean Energy?

>>512468606 (OP)
why are you so opposed to nukes faggot

>>512468606 (OP)
They want to keep you as entrenched to the middle east and the price of oil as possible

>>512468606 (OP)
Wind power is not sustainable as main source of energy. It lacks the needed output for industrial need, constant high current.
Solar power is also limited to daylight, and for the most efficient ones that use solar heat liquid with mirrors are limited to desertic regions. Now, the reason not only conservatives but any sane person with minimum logic that is not paid to push the green scam will fiercely oppose any “clean energy”. That isn’t even clean energy to begin with, the whole thing is a scam designed to impoverish the goyim.

>>512468681
Civilian nukes are actual clean energies, but the fags in green parties would oppose it, because they want to see the goyim broke.

Talked to a brain-decaying boomer about it and they're violently opposed, the best argument that they could come up with is that "It's only a 2 percent or a 5 percent solution" and "It ruins the land to power everything, 9% of the land mass has to be covered in solar panels and that's an eyesore.

Didn't bother to push back, the Conservative's brains stopped working back in 1975 and they're basically formicas of Fox News, which is just oil money talking. Solar is bad because then oil profits will go down.

That simple.

>>512468606 (OP)
all that farmland, ruined

>>512468606 (OP)
>Why are Conservatives violently opposed to Clean Energy?
Vast stretches of nasty windmills that cost more harm to the environment then the amount of pollution they save. So you call these ugly eye sores clean energy,

>>512468606 (OP)
These wind turbines are a meme.
"Its too windy"
"There is not enough wind"
"That will be 1 billion per one thank you"

>>512468948
yes, I want my damn power density. the only downside of nukes is you want to be near a lake/permanent river. but you can make new lakes and just transport the power.. for most areas. deserts are fucked regardless.

>>512469052
Solar is inefficient, only 21% for the best panels. Only work in daytime, and needs to replace the panels and the batteries every 5 years. It sucks.
Nuclear energy is KING, the future is in Thorium reactors and cold fusion reactors. None of the existing so called “green energy” are a solution that is scalable and sustainable.
>brain decaying boomer
Boomers for once actually have the right idea here.
t: Millennial.
Can’t wait to be the one enslaving you zoomie-retarded fags like boomers enslaved us.

Follar the dollar

>"renewable" energy
>look inside
>most of it goes to the landfill if it fails
Windmills are abjectly retarded and so are solar panel "farms"
If you genuinely propose replacement with weather dependent energy instead of one that can meet demand I hope someone chops your balls off

Norway alone found another 400 years of oil for the entire planet alone, turns out fossil fuels is the word for at least that long.

Buried in the back yard whole house Battery Technology isn't cheap enough or ready enough for solar. And the fact that grids are giving 1 for 1 for residental, basically nips the battery game in the bud because grids don't want you going off grid, they want to jab your offspring for the $5000/mo minimum fee 30 years from now.

Until there's solar panels on most roofs, Battery tech isn't going to be in the money, that's at least 15 years from now.

Then you need some clever code in the electricity grid to charge you for electricity based on time of day, which makes every house a peaker plant. You buy your electricity when it's lowest cost, which is between the hours of 10AM and 4PM when the sun shines. And when the 7AM and 5PM rocketpeaks happen, electricity has to cost 18 dollars a kwh.

This puts whole house batteries into the money for residental.

>>512469281
Deserts can power themselves through solar panels and Concentrated Solar Thermal power (CSP). We got a massive CSP farm and feeds the whole country and are building the biggest underwater power line going all the way to the UK from those gigantic CSP solar farms.
We are also working on a future Nuclear reactor.

>>512469366
Solar is resource hyper efficient. Once it is built ot works with near zero maintenance. Your 20% efficiency has to do with installing it properly. Solar doesn't need to run 24/7 to take the load off other supplies during peak use hours, aka when the sun is out.

>>512468606 (OP)
They arent clean and they produce shit all on a good day. Anyone with half a brain should be opposed to them.

>>512469699
Here's a downside you haven't considered. We will bomb your nuclear plants.

>>512468606 (OP)
I hate environmental destruction, that is why. I would prefer we go back to 1800's level of (((technology))) at the highest, or complete collapse into a stone age. Fuck (((electricity))), you cannot fool me satan.

because it takes away energy and resources that could be used supporting Israel, that's their biggest priority

Nobody is opposed to hydroelectric. Rural people are opposed to solar and wind because they know its inefficient and the companies leave behind old turbine blades and solar panels in massive dump sites because they cant be repaired and reused. Yuppies get to feel good about themselves seeing all the turbines when they drive through farm country, but they don't have to deal with all the waste those "clean" energy companies leave behind

>>512468606 (OP)
That energy isn't clean windmills get buried , they can't be recycled.

>>512469893
Hydroelectric has a lot of enemies. Maybe you're not old enough to remember all the big oil propaganda about water levels. Fox news boomers hate anything that doesn't burn and if their biggest case against windmills is they kill birds and look ugly, you'd better believe they say the same about dams.

>>512469716
>Solar is resource hyper efficient
We had not found a way to harness its efficiency at 100%. The tool available for now are solar panels and CSP. Which are 21% for solar panels and 25% (max CSP, from 7% to 25%) for CSP.
https://ratedpower.com/blog/longevity-efficiency-solar-panels/#:~:text=Modern%20solar%20panels%20can%20achieve,overall%20quality%20of%20the%20panel.
>Solar doesn't need to run 24/7 to take the load off other supplies during peak use hours
For scalability and industrial use you need constant 24 hours energy output. Peak hours is just for consumer use which is the smaller fraction of total output usage, the big energy is eaten by industries, they need constant current and lots of it, 24hrs.

>>512469820
If you do you will have no more Phosphate to be able to make your bombs since we provide you all the raw materials in phosphate to make YOUR OWN BOMBS. Know to whom you talk FIRST ally mutt.

>>512468606 (OP)
clean energy is a democrat big lie. It doesn't work.

>>512468606 (OP)
That shit ain't clean energy retard, and you fell for the brainwashing again because retarded.

Wait till they find out about the issues with Solar/Wind energy and how it fucks with grid synchronisation due to the need for AC/DC conversion and how it brought down most of spain and some of france's electricity. Hyper-efficient? lmao

>>512470367
> how it fucks with grid synchronisation due to the need for AC/DC conversion
So that was the reason why lost their 15000MW in solar power instantly eh ?
We (Morocco) had to save them spaniards AND portuguese (because they are connected) and regain the necessary power to stabilize the network 24 hours later. Imagine getting electrically saved by Morocco?! That’s “green energy” for you, emerging countries come to save you from your homosexual delusions kek.

>>512468606 (OP)
It has nothing to do with political spectrum.

You have to build like 800x Windmills or so to match the output of 1x nuclear reactor.

Do you know how much fucking fossil fuel is involved in building 800x windmills in bumfuck nowhere, then maintaining them? Wind parks always operate at a massive loss despite substantial governmental subsidization. These fuckers are offline like 75% of the time pending maintenance or unfavorable conditions (too much wind/too little). Meanwhile nuclear reactors are a massive profit, u can export elictricity etc.

Green libs think solar and wind power are fucking elemental magic - have none of them taken a rudimentary high school science class? In real life these technologies are borderline fraudulent, complimentary at best. Without subsidization all those companies would go bankrupt within 6 months.

At least biogas and hydroelectricity are sustainable, they work and you don't lose money non-stop operating them.

What's wrong with waiting for Fusion, by the time oil runs out, we might have finally nailed it.

>>512470036
No one is trying to use it for industry. 100% efficiency doesn't exist for anything due to entropy. It is still overwhelmingly net positive to work solar into a grid.

>>512468606 (OP)
they aren't but windmills are installed in rural areas where conservatives are the ones who have to look at them
these fucking pieces of shit aren't even carbon neutral, they look like fucking shit, they kill birds, they ruin the landscape, and the government steals land from farmers to install them
that's why conservatives hate them. you must live in a city. kys

>>512470111
Don't shoot the messenger. Donald Trump is the president and he will attack you.

>>512468681
they aren't anymore, the green movement had an epiphany in the last 15 years that much of the propaganda about the "dangers" of nuclear power was an orchestrated attempted by the fossil fuel industry to spread FUD as a way to stifle competition

Because it’s fake and gay. Takes a huge amount of resources and specialized mining to build. Too unreliable to provide baseload power so you have to either have build a bunch of renewable capacity on top of your existing capacity and just use it to reduce consumption of other fuels when the sun is shining or wind is blowing, or if you want it to replace existing capacity you have to build massive battery storage capacity. Either way you have to double up on CAPEX.

>>512472109
Dude do you even make simple google searches on stuff you dont know before you post ?
>100% efficiency doesn't exist for anything due to entropy
Muh entropy, you dumb faggot, nuclear is 92.5% EFFICIENT, we already HAVE what’s many times fold more efficient than gay solar.
https://www.energybot.com/blog/how-efficient-is-nuclear-energy.html#:~:text=Nuclear%20energy%20is%20extremely%20efficient,has%20a%2092.5%25%20energy%20factor.&text=The%20energy%20density%20of%20uranium,than%20any%20other%20fuel%20source.
>No one is trying to use it for industry
You stupid zoomie, more than 70% of the energy produced by a country goes to the INDUSTRY. And the more your cost of energy is low, the more your country is industrialized and GROWING economically, and inversely. So you by pushing for solar power is you pushing for economy SHRINKING and the fled of your industries to countries with lower energy cost, so stfu on matters that are beyond your nut brain.
>It is still overwhelmingly net positive to work solar into a grid.
Before we built Africa’s largest solar farm, and one of the biggest in the world, we forecasted the price per KW to be 0.24$ it ended over 0.45$ Per KW by the time the project was live, so it’s not a net positive it’s a fucking money pit where everyone loses, the customer and the project investor and the economy with having high energy cost.

>>512468606 (OP)
Solar and wind have beg downsides, problem with efficiency and reliability and are also not as green as presented.

>>512469820
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor

>>512470012
Shut up fag

>>512473069
>Small modular nuclear reactor
That’s sleek af.

We drilled a hole through a mountain to a lake that was about 1000 feet up, we are at sea level. Then the water flow powers a generator.

>>512468606 (OP)
Their political donors own the competition to the clean energy. If clean energy donors could afford to pay the same amount to buy the same politicians, they would get the same level of fanaticism from them.

>>512468606 (OP)
OP is a jew faggot

>>512468606 (OP)
you ever look at a field of 500 wind turbines blocking the view even tho its ugly you let it go at least provides clean energy

>Looks up how much energy the 500 turbines provides provides
>100 MW
yes clean energy

>>512476044
1 nuclear power plant has 4 reactors of 1000-1500 MW (1 to 1.5 GW) per reactor, totaling 4000MW to 6000 MW for the plant. Efficient and clean. Only vapors are emanated. Wind power on the 500 ones there will be less than 20% working at all times.
Nuclear works 24-7 have no rest and is here to serve your country’s industrialization.

>>512468606 (OP)
>1 pbtid

If you think we can continue to overuse unreplaceable energy ad-infinitum you're retarded. The overshoot will reach a reckoning when we have depleted all the earths resources. "Clean" energy is there to extend the will of the capitalists so they can eke out the last bit of profit. Mass death and famine will happen regardless.

Joe Rogan said that that's the best thing that can happen to you since if you live nearby you start paying cents monthly.

Ameribros is this true?

>>512469060
>frozen tundra
>farmland

You're not too observant. Do you find you have trouble with pattern recognition in daily life?

>>512473621
That's cute. Did your nephew make it?

i just want more nuclear power
solar and wind are fine as niche power supply,
but you don't build a whole country's infrastructure on that shit

nuclear just works and the new molten salt reactors can even burn spent fuel

>>512468606 (OP)
no such thing as clean energy.

>>512468606 (OP)
Because they cost more than they produce and they require a ton of upkeep and they ugly and they kill birds and they spontaneously light on fire and then they stop working and are a huge hunk of garbage on beautiful land.

You could just put a little hole in the ground and get way more energy for a lot less cost.

conservative politicians are owned by oil companies. all they have to do to turn their base against wind and solar is call it gay and that real men burn gasoline

>>512468606 (OP)
Coal is clean

>>512468606 (OP)
>clean
False narrative.

>>512468606 (OP)
They are owned by the fossil fuel industry. It really doesn't matter. Clean energy belongs to China. Just another step towards their superiority. Obama tried to warn you. Too bad, so sad oh well.
You won!
Kek

>>512468606 (OP)
One of those is hit by lightning and suddenly it's no longer clean energy as the blades will catch fire and contaminate an entire area with fiberglass residue which needs to be cleaned up and it costs millions of dollars to get a contractor to do the work.
Otherwise it creates an ecological disaster, and retarded leftoids are convinced this is the future.
Solar energy is the same way. Hexavalent chromium leeches into the ground water and gives everyone cancer.

>>512469060
Many farmers stay afloat by leasing the land to windmills and still being able to work it. Republicans hate farmer though.

>>512468606 (OP)
I welcome clean energy as long as it's effective at producing enough energy for industrial and domestic use, and is actually clean instead of hiding all the pollution created during its manufacture in China or wherever and cutting down swathes of forest to put your gay little windmill in its place.

>>512469366
Geothermal is also very promising. New electron beam boring. Mechanisms will allow us to get tobsupercritical steam.
All those oil roghnecks and coal miners could have jobs. Old man Trump is too big of a fool to see it.
You won!
Kek

>>512468606 (OP)
>clean energy means being forced to buy solar/wind energy from a jew for 3x the normal rate
Why do you think?

>>512478238
Farmers love it until one of them explodes and then they have to get the small ind energy company to spend $5 million cleaning all the fiberglass out of their field. The company will declare bankruptcy first and tell the farmer to eat shit.

>>512470012
Every town should have a nice lake near it. Cheapest power in the country is Hydro.

>>512470176
China is making a killing off of it. The big lie is the blue pill so large you took it rectally.

>>512470367
Battery tech is getting better every day. Creating a system mire resilient to surge times. More stable with clean energy and less expensive. US will be left in the past.

>>512472109
Especially for rural families.

>>512468606 (OP)
Cos conservatives are afraid of change, even when it's a positive overall

>>512472792
Yes, renewable energy systems require resources to build, including rare earth elements, lithium, cobalt, and large amounts of steel and concrete—particularly for wind turbines and solar panels. But so do fossil fuel plants, especially when you account for the entire infrastructure required for drilling, pipelines, refineries, and long-term environmental remediation. The claim that renewable energy is "too unreliable" to provide baseload power oversimplifies a complex issue. Wind and solar are intermittent, meaning they don't produce power at a constant rate, but they can and do contribute to baseload power when combined with energy storage, grid interconnection, demand response, and complementary generation sources (like hydro or nuclear).

As for capital expenditures (CAPEX), renewables do require upfront investment, but their long-term operating costs are extremely low, and costs for both solar, wind, and battery storage have fallen dramatically over the past decade. In fact, new solar and wind are now cheaper than building new fossil fuel plants in most regions, even when factoring in backup and storage. The energy transition isn't about "doubling up" infrastructure—it’s about shifting it toward cleaner, more sustainable sources over time. The idea that renewables are “fake” is just flatly false: they currently provide over 20% of U.S. electricity and much more in countries like Denmark or Norway, all with real, functioning grids.

>>512476995
Great post for the incel capital of the internet.

>>512476603
>to overuse unreplaceable energy ad-infinitum you're retarded.
You are brainwashed. So called “fossil fuel” are not irreplaceable, the narrative of being “fossilized dinosaurs” is a massive lie aimed at creating scarcity in the oil business. The truth is old “depleted” oil wells replenished themselves after some time. Oil is infinite, earth will never “dry out” of its oil, it is its blood, it will keep on flowing.
>hen we have depleted all the earths resources
We haven’t tapped 2% of the total oil resources, only the south pole could feed the entire planet for 700 years, but they wont touch it to create scarcity and high prices.
>"Clean" energy is there to extend the will of the capitalists so they can eke out the last bit of profit.
No. “Clean energy” is there to increase their profits and impoverish the goyim further. Like their false scarcity for conventional energy, all their efforts are geared into making you poor goyim.
>Mass death and famine will happen regardless.
Again, no, the entire earth population can live in the State of Texas and be fed what needed. Remember they kill chickens by the millions and destroy eggs, and sink wheat productions, pay farmers to toss their production to CREATE SCARCITY in the market and up the prices. Making the goyim poor. They get their controlled media and controlled academics to brain wash you to think we are too many useless eaters.

https://www.kcrg.com/2024/08/17/wind-turbine-fire-mechanicsville-could-cost-farmer-millions/

This is why wind power is retarded. A lightning strike can contaminate hundreds of acres and cause millions of dollars in damages and cleanup costs. Many such cases. The wind turbine operating companies fold up, and the farmers are stuck with the cleanup costs which they can't afford.

>>512478238
Most farmers are Republicans.

>>512468606 (OP)
What's the only thing boomers care about? I'll give you a hint: money.

>>512468606 (OP)
They didn't invest in clean energy. Their financial success is rooted in mining.

>>512478678
Delusional

>>512479709
becuase there isn't some "clean energy" conservatrive CEO worth 100 billion donating to conservative parties.
or they are being outbid by coalfags.

>>512468606 (OP)
>clean
>non-recyclable, non-biodegradeable petrochemical laden, bird killing monstrocities
pick, one.

>>512468606 (OP)
Most conservatives are Christian prosperity cultists who literally dont believe in the idea of finite resources or an environment that can be altered by humanity because
>God wouldn't allow that to happen

Most of them are also greedy psychopaths so it kinda goes hand in hand that if you think the world is your playground you also dont care how bad you trash it.

>>512478678
>muh battery tech
KYS retard, China is the King of Battery Tech, you are decades behind what they are making. You dont even have the rare materials to make them.
And most importantly an efficient battery has not been invented yet. Lithium is shit.

>>512480210
Also, one of them got obliterated by a tornado near my city before covid. They're still finding chunks and shards and slivers from it even after years of cleanup efforts.

>>512468606 (OP)
Because money. Conservative conservationists were all brought out.

Ironic considering who pushed for state parks, clean water/air, EPA, etc.

>>512480524
We really shouldn't call Republicans conservatives. They don't conserve anything anymore. They aren't conserving resources, they aren't conserving money, so they claim they're "socially conservative". Who wants that bullshit? They're just cultists now.

The biggest issue is that historically the grid is designed to be a one way street. SOURCE -> LOAD, operating within 0.5% of 60hz. When there are multiple generating sources on the same grid with different outputs at different times of day things get very complicated.

>clean energy
i wonder how much of the environment they harmed constructing those things

>>512476995
Ok, user id Baby my little pony

>>512468606 (OP)
cuz its a lie
if you had any technical education you would seed the scam before your eyes

>>512481241
One being DC and the circuit on AC adds even more difficulties and problems

>>512468606 (OP)
They aren't.

Why are you?

>>512480960
It's a shame. As someone who started out as an independent 15 years go, my mix was about 50/50 dems and Republicans. I was split between Obama and McCain. Now, the last Republican I voted for was Gov. Hogan. It's almost straight blue on the ticket, because the entire party seems to actively hate science. We are literally destroying science satellites we just put up, out of pure spite.

I don't care enough about the other social issues.

>>512468606 (OP)
It's called nuclear

>>512468606 (OP)
because its neither clean nor efficient.
We have modern nuclear designs and disposal methods that generate massive amounts of power in smaller footprints that dont rely on batteries, grid balancing and subsidies that triple the electricity price.

>>512468606 (OP)
because "clean energy" wastes a fuckton of energy and only pretends to be clean

>>512478678
The ocean is full of batteries

>>512482587
I was much more Republican leaning until the Republicans pushed ACB through in near-record time despite having a hissy fit about nominating Garland to the SCOTUS four years earlier. What fucking hypocrites.

it's a scam to send money to china

>>512468606 (OP)
Because it’s so gay and hypocritical and stupid.

>>512468606 (OP)
>Cover vast swathes of countryside in bird choppers of questionable utility to protect the environment

>>512469857
You are an absolute retard.

>>512468606 (OP)
They are subsidized by big oil companies.
Like always, rightoids are the most influentiable people to jewish tomfoolery

>>512471984
Because you have a solution now.

Besides, all of you brain dead retards will oppose fusion once it's available and for all of the same reasons.

>>512471566
The problem is that out of the last four AP1000 reactors (the reactor model in your pic) built, two took about 10 years and cost about $17B each to finish, and the two others were never finished and the project bankrupted both the customer SCANA and the supplier Westinghouse and almost brought down Toshiba

China licensed the AP1000 design and now Chinese companies build both the indigenized CAP1000 and the enlarged CAP1400 in 5 years for $3B each, however, Chinese companies are not politically acceptable vendors to western countries

>>512468606 (OP)
There is no good long term energy storage yet, retard

>>512468881
Batteries are getting cheaper. In China, battery grid storage construction bids are now as low as 0.051 $/Wh

>>512468606 (OP)
They're not. It's just their part of the script.

>>512486577
If there is a lack of wind for a few hours, you use batteries. If it is predicted there will be a lack of wind for longer than the batteries can handle, you fire up coal/gas plants which in many countries already exist today. When there is wind, you charge the batteries and shut down the coal/gas plants, saving on both carbon emissions and fuel costs.

>>512486990
You don't need to store the energy for hours, you need to store the energy for months, do you think it is sunny and windy all year long? Plus turning coal plants on and off is less efficient than just keeping them running at a high capacity all the time. You could use the wind excess energy for hydrolysis but then you need a way to safely store the hydrogen and you lose energy in the process.

i rub it in my friends and families faces that i pay no electric bill and actually SELL electricity to the grid where the electric company PAYS ME.

perfect retirement setup running a home solar farm.
inb4 some retarded faggot who doesnt understand solar systems says something that will embarrass his parents

>>512487289
You don't need to store hydrogen produced by electrolysis. You use it as an industrial feedstock, allowing you to produce less hydrogen by means of steam reforming natural gas or coal. That way you can save natural gas and coal, which are easy to store.

>>512487289
It is sunny for most of the world. You even get energy on cloudy days or cold days. You can bet your home's energy on the sun rising another day.

>>512487289
You don't need to store hydrogen produced by electrolysis. You use it as an industrial feedstock, allowing you to produce less hydrogen by means of steam reforming natural gas or coal. That way you can save natural gas and coal, which are easy to store.

>>512487289
Maybe we should keep developing? There was a period of research between burning whale fat for oil to steam engine to internal combustion engines and turbines...

>>512468606 (OP)
Conservatives high up the food chain are involved in the oil industry. Conservatives low on the food chain are just dumb.

>>512468606 (OP)
>Hate any change whatsoever
>Boomers that don't care what the world is like in 40 years since they'll be gone
>"Fiscal hawks" who think everything nice in the world is communism
>Conspiracy theorists who think windmills will make them gay
>Bought & owned by fossil fuel industry (souls of those at the top)
>Bought & owned by fossil fuel industry (brains of those at the bottom)